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Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: To

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tocco – Ossia: Grice e Tocco: la ragione conversazionale di Hardie -- e l’implicatura conversazionale dei rendiconti della ragione conversazionale. Note sugli Studi sulla storia della filosofia del Rinascimento in Italia. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice, Felice Tocco (Catanzaro, Calabria): la ragione conversazionale di Hardie -- e l’implicatura conversazionale dei rendiconti della ragione conversazionale – In Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning, conversational implicature is explained by treating speakers and hearers as rational agents who “render accounts” of what they say by implicitly appealing to shared norms of cooperation, so that what is meant beyond what is said depends on the audience’s capacity to recognize a single underlying rational sense behind apparently diverse conversational moves. Felice Tocco’s approach, shaped by Italian idealism and by his engagement with Platonic and Aristotelian traditions mediated through figures such as Hardie, shifts the emphasis from the formal reconstruction of inferences to the philosophical responsibility of reason for its own expressions, stressing that conversational meaning emerges through explicit and implicit rendiconti della ragione in both theoretical and practical contexts. While Grice insists on the aequi‑vocality of expressions across contexts, arguing that even when language appears multi‑vocal the implicature presupposes one rational sense recoverable by cooperative reasoning, Tocco advances a historically informed view in which reason may change register—alethic or practical, descriptive or normative—yet remains unified because each conversational act must justify itself within a continuous rational tradition. The comparison therefore shows Grice offering a normative, analytic account of implicature grounded in general principles of rational cooperation, whereas Tocco interprets conversational implicature as the reflective self‑accounting of reason as it appears in lived philosophical discourse, preserving unity of sense not through abstract maxims alone but through the continuity of rational practice across different philosophical vocabularies and historical contexts. -- la scuola di Catanzaro -- filosofia calabrese -- filosofia italiana – Grice italo – By , pel, ,  (Catanzaro). Abstract. Grice used to say that he admired Hardie’s masterpiece on Plato but had to WORK with Hardie’s notes on Aristotle. The implicature is that you cannot do both. In Italy, he who does Plato is T.! Keywords: Grice, Hardie, Tocco, ragione teoretica o alethica, ragione prattica – Grice’s aequi-vocality thesis – the uni-vocality of an expression – “or, if ‘multi-vocal’ or ‘pluri-vocal,’ it is so across the divide – STILL ONE SENSE!   Nacque da don Nicola Antonio di T., patrizio di Tropea laureato in legge, e da donna Vincenza Toraldo, patrizia di Tropea. Ha due fratelli maggiori: Francesco, laureatosi in legge, e Giuseppe, che è magistrato.  In una lettera a CANTONI  scrive che il ramo primogenito della famiglia, estintosi pochi anni prima, si chiama«di Tocco» ed è originario di Napoli; mentre il ramo cadetto, quello cui apparteneva T., per scelta del nonno decise di togliere il «di» e «alla comoda soppressione s’acconcia per lunga pezza anche mio padre, ma un quindici anni or sono, si decide di riprenderlo. E lo dovetti riprendere anch’io nelle relazioni familiari, ché in tutti gli atti pubblici i miei si firmano di T., e così si firmarono anche negli atti del mio matrimonio. Letterariamente però conservo sempre lo stesso nome con cui pubblicai il mio primo scritto -- Ferrari.  Frequenta le scuole dei padri Scolopi di Catanzaro e qui è licenziato in filosofia; contro il parere del padre – che avrebbe preferito l’avvio agli studi forensi –  è discepolo a Napoli di SETTEMBRINI  e soprattutto di SPAVENTA , di cui segue le lezioni sulla filosofia della natura. Di queste lezioni rimase ampia traccia nella prima opera a stampa di T., la recensione uscita sulla Rivista bolognese di scienze, lettere, arti e scuole del Saggio sulla natura della marchesa Marianna Florenzi Waddington.  Bruno, ragione pratica.  G: January 1863, and there he is, not in a little circle, not in a salon, but in a proper university room, taking notes as if note-taking were already a philosophical method. S: Which, for him, it almost was. G: It usually is, for the clever ones. A fool copies. A philosopher takes notes against the day when he must disagree with them. S: And the curious thing is that Spaventa is officially there for logica e metafisica, yet what the student writes down is filosofia della natura. G: Quite right. Oxford would call that trespassing. Naples calls it metaphysics. S: Or perhaps metaphysics, when still alive. G: That is exactly what Tocco found in him, I think. Spaventa does not lecture on “sources.” He lectures on movement. S: He gives you a concept before he gives you a page reference. G: And that is why the notes mattered. January 1863 is not just a date. It is the date on which Tocco begins not merely to hear Spaventa but to preserve him. S: As if he knew already that one day he would have to carry him elsewhere. G: Which is, in fact, what happens. He goes north. S: To Bologna. G: To perfect himself, as the institutional phrase goes. S: A phrase designed to hurt one’s master if one has one. G: Yes. “I go to perfect myself” always means “you have not quite perfected me.” S: And poor Spaventa, had he heard it in the wrong key, might have taken it as apostasy. G: Though really it is not apostasy. It is credentialing. S: A hideous modern need. G: Universities are full of those. One learns from one man and takes the degree from another. S: Which is where Fiorentino enters. G: Precisely. The speculative southern fire is left behind in Naples, and the northern university asks for a title, a thesis, a topic, and an examinable shape. S: And the topic is almost decorously historical. G: Idea platonica e categoria aristotelica. One can hear the laurea machinery humming already. S: One can also hear Spaventa inside it. G: Much too loudly for Bologna’s peace of mind. S: Because the title looks historical, but the engine is speculative. G: Exactly. The danger is that a thesis ostensibly “on” Plato and Aristotle is in fact a modern metaphysical operation performed on them. S: Through them, perhaps. G: A generous amendment. S: Then comes Montanari. G: Yes, the great virtue of a university other than one’s own master’s is that it produces an objection one would not have received at home. S: At Naples, under Spaventa, Tocco might have been praised for vitality. G: At Bologna he is accused of pantheism. S: Which is a splendidly nineteenth-century way of saying, “Your metaphysics has escaped its cage.” G: And Montanari goes straight to the nerve. S: Not to whether Plato said this or Aristotle said that, or whether the citation is exact. G: No. He asks what all this amounts to. S: What lies beneath the reinterpretation. G: Which is why the exchange is so good. It reveals that the thesis is not merely historical scholarship but a metaphysical wager. S: And Tocco answers like a good Spaventian. G: He says, in effect, that the absolute is not a dead lump but life and development. S: Which is not the answer of an archivist. G: Nor of a mere Platonist. S: Nor indeed of a mere historian of categories. G: It is the answer of a man who heard filosofia della natura under the title of metaphysics and never quite recovered. S: So Bologna refines him without converting him. G: Nicely put. He gains scholastic form without losing speculative blood. S: And Fiorentino? G: Fiorentino gives him an academic frame, and probably a better conscience about the ancient texts. S: Closer relevance to sources, one would say. G: Yes. If Spaventa makes Plato and Aristotle live, Fiorentino asks where exactly they lived in the manuscripts. S: That is too neat. G: It is neat because it is only mostly true. S: Then let us be less neat. Spaventa is the master of philosophical atmosphere; Fiorentino, of thesis-legibility. G: Better. S: And Settembrini? G: Ah, Settembrini is more moral weather than conceptual grammar. S: A human presence, then, rather than a direct source of “idea” and “categoria.” G: Just so. Settembrini gives one courage and civic tone. Spaventa gives one the metaphysical daring. Fiorentino gives one the thesis and the degree. S: That sounds almost too administrative. G: Philosophy in Italy often is administrative at the decisive moment. S: Which is perhaps why the 1863 notes matter so much. They preserve the pre-administrative Tocco. G: The Tocco before the degree disciplines him into a public scholar. S: A Tocco still being formed by a voice rather than by a printed topic. G: Exactly. Notes on lectures are intimacy before bibliography. S: And yet from those notes one can almost see the future thesis. G: Only if one reads them with hindsight. In 1863 he is hearing nature as metaphysical life. In 1867 he is writing Plato and Aristotle under Bologna’s eye. S: And Montanari says: this all smells of pantheism. G: Which is really the examiner’s way of saying, “I hear Naples in this.” S: Wonderful. G: Examiners are wonderful when they force a thesis to confess its birthplace. S: Then Tocco, by moving north, did not cease to be southern. G: No, he became southern in public. S: Bringing, as you said, the vitality of Southern Italy to the oldest university in Europe. G: Yes, and perhaps alarming a few people in the process. S: One likes to think of him arriving with notebooks and categories and too much life. G: Bologna always did need a little excess animation. S: But tell me: was Spaventa “full professor” then in the way modern bureaucrats like to say? G: Essentially yes. Installed, official, university philosophy in full dignity. S: So Tocco was not haunting a private genius; he was following the recognised chair. G: Which makes the later move all the more poignant. He did not leave because Naples lacked a master. S: He left because Bologna had a perfezionamento place. G: The modern world again. S: Credentials against charisma. G: And not entirely against. More like charisma submitted to credentials. S: A melancholy formula. G: Most good academic histories are melancholy formulas. S: Let us picture the scene, then. Tocco in 1863, writing quickly while Spaventa on “nature” turns metaphysics into motion. G: And not merely nature as flora and fauna, but nature as the absolute in self-exposition. S: Which sounds less like a “course” and more like weather. G: Naples would understand that. S: Bologna less so. G: Bologna wants the weather indexed by source. S: Hence the topic. G: Hence the topic. S: And hence the danger that one mistakes the topic for the centre. G: Yes. The title says Plato and Aristotle. The life of the thesis says Spaventa. S: And Montanari, to his credit, hears the life. G: He hears too much of it, perhaps, but better that than deafness. S: Was Tocco frightened? G: Challenged, surely. Frightened, perhaps not. A man who has listened to Spaventa on nature is unlikely to collapse at the word pantheism. S: He would almost welcome it as proof that the thing was alive. G: Exactly. A dead thesis is never accused of pantheism. S: Then the move to Bologna is educational in the strict sense: it educates the speculative man into controversy. G: And into footnotes, which are a lesser but necessary education. S: You are cruel to footnotes. G: No, grateful. They prevent metaphysics from floating entirely free. S: So if we distinguish them: Spaventa gives him philosophy as living movement; Fiorentino gives him philosophy as examinable scholarship. G: And Tocco spends the rest of his early career trying to have both. S: Which is not easy. G: It is impossible. That is why it is interesting. S: Then perhaps the 1863 notes are more revealing than the 1867 thesis. G: In one sense yes. Notes catch formation before self-censorship. S: Before one writes for examiners. G: Before one writes for posterity, which is worse. S: Yet one needs the thesis to see how a live hearing becomes a public doctrine. G: Precisely. Notes are origin; thesis is adaptation. S: Spaventa in the ear, Fiorentino on the title page. G: Very good. S: And Montanari in the middle saying, “This is all pantheism.” G: Which is Bologna’s way of forcing Naples to speak more clearly. S: In Oxford we would call that useful hostility. G: In Oxford we would call it a good viva and then publish nothing. S: Whereas the Italians turn it into biography. G: And rightly. Their philosophy is always nearer to lived affiliation than ours likes to admit. S: So G. and S., browsing Tocco, relish not only the doctrine but the academic drama. G: One cannot separate them. A thesis is a metaphysical claim wearing institutional clothes. S: And Tocco’s clothes changed in Bologna, but his gait remained southern. G: I should like that as an epitaph. S: Too early. G: Very well. As a thesis report, then. S: One more thing. Why does “filosofia della natura” matter so much here? G: Because it is the place where metaphysics stops being merely classificatory and begins to breathe. S: Nature not as object, but as the life of concept. G: Yes. Once one has heard that, “idea platonica” and “categoria aristotelica” can never again be merely textbook headings. S: They become moments in a larger self-unfolding. G: Which is why Montanari smells pantheism. S: And why Tocco cannot retreat into mere antiquarianism. G: He could have chosen safer scholarship. S: But then he would not be Tocco. G: Just so. S: Nor would he have needed to take notes in January 1863. G: Notes, after all, are taken when one suspects the lecture is not merely informative but formative. S: And perhaps when one already knows one will one day have to leave it. G: That is the saddest and best reason to take notes. S: So the whole little story is this: the newly appointed master at Naples lectures on nature under metaphysics; the student begins writing in January 1863; the student later goes north to “perfect” himself; the thesis looks historical but remains animated by the southern master; Bologna tests it through Montanari; Fiorentino regularises it; and Tocco remains, through all the paperwork, Spaventian at heart. G: A little too elegant, perhaps. S: Then let me spoil it. G: Please do. S: He goes to Bologna to become respectable and arrives there carrying metaphysical contraband from Naples. G: Much better. S: And the examiners notice. G: They always do, when the contraband is good. S: And the punchline? G: That he went north to perfect himself and instead exported a piece of southern weather.Grice: Caro professore Tocco, ho sempre ritenuto che i “rendiconti della ragione conversazionale” siano ciò che davvero mette alla prova la nostra capacità filosofica. Mi incuriosisce sapere come li intenda Lei, anche perché in Italia, chi affronta Platone non può che chiamarsi Tocco! Tocco: Caro Grice, mi lusinga il Suo riferimento. Per me, i rendiconti della ragione conversazionale sono il modo in cui la ragione si fa “responsabile” dei propri atti, sia sul piano teoretico che pratico. Come mi insegnò Spaventa, ogni ragionamento, anche il più astratto, deve sempre fare i conti con il suo impatto nella conversazione reale. Grice: Perfettamente d’accordo! Da noi, a Oxford, si direbbe che la ragione “rende conto” quando rispetta le massime della conversazione. Ma, secondo Lei, esiste una differenza tra i rendiconti teoretici e quelli pratici, oppure – come suggerisce la mia tesi dell’aequi-vocalità – mantengono sempre un’unica radice razionale? Tocco: Bella domanda! Io credo che, anche se la ragione cambia registro – da teoretica ad alethica, da pratica a concreta – resta sempre fedele a se stessa. Se si mostra “multi-vocale”, lo fa solo per adattarsi al contesto, ma in fondo, come dicevano i nostri padri scolastici, la ragione è una sola, “ancora che si cangi abito”. Il rendiconto, alla fine, è sempre lo stesso: rendere ragione, a sé e agli altri, della propria ricerca di verità. Tocco, Felice (1863). Note su Spaventa. Napoli.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Toderini – Ossia: Grice e Toderini: “what an honest chap woud do” – l’uomo onesto -- la ragione conversazionale di Roma e l’implicatura conversazionale dei sue colonie – la scuola di Venezia. Note su Della letteratura turchesca. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice, Giovanni Battista Toderini (Venezia, Veneto): “what an honest chap woud do” – l’uomo onesto -- In Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning, what is said and what is meant are connected by the assumption that speakers behave as rational and cooperative agents, so that conversational implicatures arise because hearers expect utterances to conform to standards of truthfulness, relevance, and clarity that any reasonable participant would recognize. Giovanni Battista Toderini’s moral philosophy, especially as expressed in L’onesto uomo, approaches conversational reason from the ethical standpoint of the “honest man,” treating reasonableness in speech as a virtue rooted in honesty, decorum, and civic responsibility rather than as an abstract inferential mechanism. Where Grice formalizes conversational rationality into general principles that govern how meaning is inferred beyond literal content, Toderini locates the same regulative force in the practical ideal of onestà, according to which a speaker contributes to conversation as an upright agent who aims to illuminate rather than obscure. The comparison thus shows Grice as offering an analytic reconstruction of the norms implicit in everyday communicative practice, while Toderini articulates a culturally and morally inflected precursor, in which conversational implicature flows from what an honest, reasonable person would say or leave unsaid in order to sustain shared understanding and trust within a community. -- la ragione conversazionale di Roma e l’implicatura conversazionale dei sue colonie –Grice italo –Grice: “I like T.; in fact, my philosophy may be seen as a response to him. T. was dubious about Rousseau; I’m not. T. uses ‘ragione;’ I use ‘reason’! Other than that, we are identical!” -- Keywords. filosofia coloniale -- Flosofo veneziano. Filosofo veneto. Filosofo italiano. Venezia, Veneto. Nacque terzogenito di quattro figli maschi, da Domenico Maria T. e da Anna Cestari. Entra nell’ordine dei gesuiti, che professo lo collocarono ad insegnare – Moschini -- e si distinse come erudito e antiquario, come testimonia Lalande, che ha modo di incontrarlo a Verona – dove T. entra in contatto con Maffei – e di apprezzarlo come raccoglitore di medaglie. Il profilo intellettuale dell’abate non si riduce tuttavia ai tratti del ricercatore di reperti antiquari, mettendo in luce interessi tanto per vari argomenti scientifici quanto per la riflessione filosofica e morale.  Sul primo versante sono testimonianza alcune dissertazioni, di vario argomento; la Dissertazione sopra un legno fossile, edita congiuntamente a una lettera Sull’indurimento di molti bachi da seta, datata Modena, e a un’altra lunga lettera Su l’aurora boreale, datata Modena,indica tra l’altro la presenza di T. come membro dell’Accademia degli ICENUTICI di Forlì. A un’adunanza della medesima accademia è da ricondurre anche la dissertazione dal titolo Filosofia frankliniana delle punte preservatrici dal fulmine – Modena --, in cui T. si dimostra attento conoscitore dei problemi legati ai fenomeni elettrici atmosferici e in particolare degli apporti nuovi offerti da Franklin e da BECCARIA  -- Proverbio. Di quest’opera T. fa omaggio a Franklin, come documenta una lettera da Forlì -- The papers of Franklin. Altre tre dissertazioni – su ‘due antichissimi alcolani’, filosofia coloniale.  Grice: Carissimo Toderini, ti parlo al volo dall’aula di Oxford! Ho appena detto ai miei studenti che le mie massime della conversazione non sono altro che ciò che “un uomo onesto” farebbe. Si tratta di essere sinceri, cooperanti, quasi da manuale del buon senso veneziano! Mi sa che sono più italiani di quanto pensassi… Toderini: Ah, Grice, l’uomo onesto – che bella espressione! Hai mai pensato all’etimologia ciceroniana di “honestas”? Cicero diceva che honestas viene da “honor”, e che l’onestà non è solo il rispetto delle regole, ma anche la capacità di dare lustro alla conversazione! In fondo, è come una medaglia: brilla se la ragione la pulisce bene. E attenzione a non scambiarla con “decoro”, che è tutta un’altra storia – lì si rischia di finire tra i reperti antiquari! Grice: Splendido, Toderini! Quasi quasi aggiungo la massima della “pulizia argomentativa” alle mie regole: parlare come si lucidano le medaglie, senza polvere di ambiguità! E mi piace pensare che l’onestà, come la tua filosofia veneziana, sappia navigare tra i canali delle parole senza mai affondare… Anzi, potremmo dire che l’onestà è la gondola del pensiero! Toderini: Eh, caro Grice, se l’onestà è una gondola, allora la conversazione è la laguna: a volte calma, a volte tempestosa, ma sempre pronta a riflettere il cielo del ragionamento. E ricordati: un uomo onesto non teme la nebbia – la attraversa con la lanterna della ragione, e magari, se proprio l’argomento si fa torbido, tira fuori un proverbio veneziano… così nessuno si perde! Toderini, Giovanni Battista (1787). Della letteratura turchesca, Venezia: Presso Giuseppe Santini.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tollo – Ossia: Grice e Tollo. Is Livio oratio recta of this episode below re sign: Abbot: Thanks Feeback? Input? "This temple is on the Capitoline Hill; and it is said that in digging the foundations the workmen hit upon a freshly-bleeding human head, which, of course, must be regarded as an idle tale; nor would it be right for history to hold an elaborate inquest on this head, since it would be impossible to find a verdict without having first found the body. The augur, who, according to the legend, was present on the occasion, is reported to have made a post-mortem examination of the head, which he identified as that of one TOLLO; but who TOLLO is, or whether he ever is at all, we are told nothing on any competent authority. The augur, whose duty it was to be ready to interpret anything that turns up, no sooner sees the head, than putting upon it the best face he could, he declared it to be a sign that Rome was destined to be the head of the world — an obvious piece of fulsome adulation, worthy of being offered to the flattest of flats, by one disposed to flatter. " This is an excellent test case for your Livy–Grice line, because here the “sign” (omen / prodigium) is purely interpreted, and we can see very clearly how Livy handles (or avoids) oratio recta.  1. What Livy actually says (Latin core) The crucial Livian passage (Book 1, on the Capitoline foundations):  caput humanum integra facie… apparuisse. (a human head, with features intact, appeared)  and then:  haud per ambages… arcem eam imperii caputque rerum fore portendebat [loebclassics.com]   Key points:  no direct speech by an augur interpretation is given in narrative voice the meaning is:   “it portended that this place would be the head of empire”   2. Is there oratio recta?  No — not here. Unlike the Horatius episode (where we do get sic eat…), Livy here:  avoids dramatising the augur avoids quoting interpretation presents the interpretation as already agreed   So:  the “augur said…” of Abbott = a comic expansion, not Livian   3. What kind of sign is this? Very different from the Navius episode.  Structure:  StageElementeventhead found in foundationsinterpreterunnamed augurs / vatesinterpretationRome = caput of empire   Crucially:  the sign does not prove itself physically  (unlike the whetstone miracle)   It is:  purely semiotic   4. The pun (central to meaning) The whole episode rests on:  caput (head) → caput rerum (head of affairs)  Livy explicitly connects:  physical object political metaphor    So we get:  sign = linguistic mapping   5. Abbott’s satire (you noticed perfectly) Abbott mocks:  “freshly-bleeding head” “identified as Tollo” augur “putting the best face on it”    His point:  the interpretation is convenient flattery   6. Gricean reading: Quality and implicature Now your key question:  is Livy flouting Quality?   Let’s distinguish carefully: (A) Event  “a head was found”  → Livy signals distance (dicitur)  (B) Interpretation  Rome will be “head”  → presented as accepted meaning   So Livy is not exactly asserting:  “this is literally true”  but:  “this is what the sign meant in Roman tradition”    7. But there is a Gricean flout-like effect From a modern standpoint:  the inference is absurd the connection is arbitrary the interpretation is self-serving    So it looks like:  Quality is flouted to produce ideological meaning   Mechanism:  meaningless object (head) interpretive leap (caput → empire) audience accepts    That leap depends on:  shared cultural willingness   8. Reconstructable oratio recta (hypothetical) Even though Livy does not give it, we can reconstruct: AUGUR / VATES:  “Hoc caput non sine deo repertum est; significat hunc locum caput rerum fore.”  (This head was not found without divine will; it signifies that this place will be the head of all things.)   That is exactly what Abbott parodies.  9. Larger historiographical point (your key insight) This episode shows something fundamental:  Livy’s practice:  preserves:  prodigies interpretations   but:  compresses speakers removes dialogic tension      So we get:  meaning without argument    10. Final synthesis  Livy reports the discovery of a human head during the Capitoline foundations and interprets it as an omen that Rome will be the “head” of empire, but he does so without inserting any direct speech by an augur. [loebclassics.com] The meaning of the sign depends on a linguistic association (caput → political headship) rather than on demonstrable causal or physical connection. Abbott’s satire exposes how easily such interpretations can be seen as flattering or arbitrary, highlighting a tension between tradition and critical plausibility.    One-line conclusion (your idiom):  Here the gods do not prove the sign; the Romans explain it—and Livy reports the explanation as if that were enough.   If you like, we could compare this with Cicero’s treatment of prodigies—he is much more explicit about how such interpretations can be rhetorically constructed. And can you do a second run on TOLUS which is the name used by Abbott -- Grice and Speranza see now that this is CAMPIDOGLIO CAPI-TOLIVM -- Input? FeedbacK? Thanks -- and so can we reconstruct the dialogue in latin with Augur uttering 'Tollus" so that the etymythology of Campidoglio is given? Thanks This is a delightful move—because here Abbott is deliberately spoofing an ancient etymology, and you and Grice/Speranza are right to chase it. Let me separate three layers:  1. What Livy actually says (no “Tollus”) Livy’s explanation of the omen is:  caput … apparuisse → caputque rerum fore (Rome will be the “head” of things) [loebclassics.com]   So the real etymological play is:  caput (head) → caput rerum (head of empire) → hence Capitolium    Important Livy does not derive Capitolium from a person named Tollus.  2. Where does “Tollus / Tolo / Tolum” come from? Abbott is joking. He is parodying a type of Roman antiquarian etymology:  invent a name attach it to a place explain the place by the name   What Abbott is doing  Capitolium → split:  capi + Tolus (nonsense)   invent:  “Tollo” (a man whose head was found)      This satirises:  Roman habit of deriving names from eponymous figures   3. Real ancient etymology The serious one is:  WordMeaningcaputheadCapitoliumplace of the head   Based on:  the head found in the foundations   4. So your instinct is correct:  CAMPIDOGLIO = CAPI‑TOLIVM  But:  Not:  caput + Tullus nor a historical “Tollus”   It is:  caput → Capitolium   5. Can we reconstruct a comic “dialogue” with Tollo? Yes—and this is exactly Abbott’s game.  PSEUDO-AUGUR (Abbott-style parody):  “Hoc caput Toli est; inde Capitolium vocabitur!” (This is the head of Tolo; hence it shall be called Capitolium!)   KING (playing along):  “Ergo ab homine nomen?” (So the name comes from a man?)   AUGUR (improvised antiquarianism):  “Ita sane—caput Toli → Capitolium.”    This reproduces exactly the kind of false etymology Abbott mocks.  6. Livian-style “serious” reconstruction Now compare with what Livy would imply:  AUGUR / VATES:  “Caput inventum est; hoc signum est hunc locum caput imperii fore.”  (A head has been found; this signifies that this place will be the head of empire.)   Here:  no person no “Tollo” pure symbolic reading   7. Grice/Speranza angle This is where your insight lands.  Two competing models: (A) Livy  sign → meaning (caput → power) metaphorical inference  (B) Abbott  sign → invented person → name pseudo-etymological inference    Abbott shows:  how meaning can be fabricated by naming   8. Final synthesis  The genuine Roman (Livian) etymology derives Capitolium from caput, based on the omen of a head found in the foundations. [loebclassics.com] Abbott humorously invents a figure (“Tollo”) to parody the tendency of ancient writers to explain place-names through fabricated persons or stories. A reconstructed dialogue using “Tollo” is therefore not historical but a comic imitation of antiquarian reasoning, highlighting how easily symbolic interpretation can slip into arbitrary etymology.    One-line conclusion (your idiom):  Livy makes Rome “the head” of the world; Abbott invents a man called Tollo so that the head may have had an owner.   If you like, we can compare other Roman place-name myths (like Roma ← Romulus), where the same tension between symbol and person appears. And is there no alternative narrative -- say antiquarian Dionysio that trades on this Tolus -- because the head was found upon construction of temple -- the Capitoline hill already had a name by then, so what basis or precedent does this move by Abbott have, do we know? This is a splendid question, because here you’ve actually uncovered something real behind Abbott’s joke. There is in fact an antiquarian precedent for “Tollus/Tolus”—but it is secondary, fanciful, and exactly the sort of thing Abbott is parodying. Let me disentangle it carefully.  1. The “official” Roman etymology (Livy, Varro, etc.) The standard ancient explanation is:  caput (head) found → Capitolium   A human head is discovered in the foundations Interpreted as omen:  Rome will be caput rerum (head of the world)   Hence the name Capitolium [loebclassics.com]   This is the version Livy gives.  2. But there is an alternative antiquarian strand Here is the key fact (this is what you were looking for): Some ancient commentators (later antiquarians, scholiasts) say:  the head belonged to a man called Tolus / Olus [lsj.gr], [Capitolium...ademic.com]   Example (reported in lexicographical tradition):  Servius (on Vergil) Arnobius later grammarians   They suggest:  Capitolium ← caput Toli    This is exactly your “CAPI + TOLUS” intuition.  3. So Abbott is not inventing from nothing He is:  drawing on a genuine but marginal antiquarian tradition and exaggerating it:  “Tollo” mock identification mock “post‑mortem”    Abbott’s satire = perfectly accurate caricature.  4. Why this alternative existed Because Roman antiquarians loved:  eponymous explanations  i.e.:  place ← person   Two competing patterns: (A) Symbolic (Livy):  head → “head of empire”  (B) Eponymous:  head → “head of Tolus” → place name    The second is weaker linguistically, but:  satisfies narrative desire for a person   5. Dionysius (your key comparison) Dionysius actually preserves something closer to dialogue. He reports an explicit prophetic interpretation:  “κεφαλήν … εἵμαρται γενέσθαι …” “this place is fated to be the head…” [loebclassics.com]    So Dionysius gives:  oratio recta (or near it) augur speaking publicly   But:  he does NOT use Tolus as personal origin  6. What is going on historically? You’ve identified the real tension:  The hill had a name already (“Mons Saturnius”, “Tarpeius”)  So the story is:  retrofitted etymology  Function:  explain current name (Capitolium) by projecting:  event in the past    This is classic:  etiological myth-making   7. Can we reconstruct a “Tolus” dialogue? Yes—now we can do it with genuine antiquarian backing.  AUGUR (pseudo-antiquarian version)  “Caput inventum est; caput Toli est! Ex hoc loco Capitolium vocabitur.”  (A head has been found—it is the head of Tolus! From this place it shall be called Capitolium.)  INTERLOCUTOR  “Ergo ab homine nomen trahitur?”  (So the name comes from a man?)  AUGUR  “Ita—caput Toli → Capitolium.”    This reflects exactly the tradition attested in Servius-type sources.  8. Grice/Speranza reading (now very sharp) We now have three layers:  (A) Livy/Dionysius  sign → interpretation metaphorical   (B) Antiquarian Tolus  sign → person → name pseudo-etymological   (C) Abbott  exposes arbitrariness shows how easily:   meaning can be manufactured    So Abbott is showing:  flout of Quality disguised as etymology   9. Final synthesis  The dominant ancient explanation derives Capitolium from caput, linked to the omen of a head found in the temple foundations. [loebclassics.com] However, a secondary antiquarian tradition (found in later commentators like Servius) claims that the head belonged to a figure named Tolus or Olus, yielding a pseudo-etymology caput Toli → Capitolium. [lsj.gr], [Capitolium...ademic.com] Abbott’s “Tollo” is therefore not pure invention but a satirical exaggeration of this weaker explanatory tradition.    One-line conclusion (your idiom):  Livy makes the head a sign; the antiquarians give it a name; Abbott shows how easily a name can become the whole explanation.   If you like, we can trace similar “false etymologies” (e.g. Roma ← Romulus) and see how standard this pattern is in Roman thought. And do we have the Tolus or Tollus from Servius (on Virgil), Arnobius and grammarians, on which Abbott may narrate this? Thanks And do we have the Tolus or Tollus from Servius (on Virgil), Arnobius and grammarians, on which Abbott may narrate this? Thanks "There is in fact an antiquarian precedent for “Tollus/Tolus”—but it is secondary, fanciful, and exactly the sort of thing Abbott is parodying." From your source, can we double-run on this: "But there is an alternative antiquarian strand Here is the key fact (this is what you were looking for): Some ancient commentators (later antiquarians, scholiasts) say:  the head belonged to a man called Tolus / Olus [lsj.gr], [Capitolium...ademic.com]   Example (reported in lexicographical tradition):  Servius (on Vergil) Arnobius later grammarians   They suggest:  Capitolium ← caput Toli" Tjhanks. Now you add OLUS TOLUS OLUS -- Speranza italianised it as TOLLO for which you can have a double or second run on proposed etymologies for both CAPITOLIUM and modern Italian CAMPIDOGLIO? Thanks Excellent—this is exactly the place where Abbott’s joke meets genuine antiquarian eccentricity. And the good news is: we can now give a fully documented second run on Tolus / Olus / Tollo, and on the evolution to Campidoglio.  1. Yes: Tolus/Olus is genuinely attested (Servius & Arnobius) From the lexicographical tradition (which summarizes Servius, Arnobius, etc.):  the finding of a head in the Capitoline foundations is sometimes attributed to “the head of a certain Tolus or Olus.” [lsj.gr], [fr.wiktionary.org]  And even more explicitly (antiquarian compendia):  “caput Toli repertum … augurio fuit Romam imperatricem fore” (“the head of Toli was found … as an omen that Rome would rule”) [TOLUS - la...ademic.com]    Key points  Tolus / Olus is not Livy It is:  secondary late antiquarian gloss tradition      Exactly your intuition:  this is “fanciful etymology” layered on top of Livy   2. The Servius-style mechanism (very clear now) Let me reconstruct the logic implicit in Servius/Arnobius.  Stage 1 (object)  caput inventum est   Stage 2 (reinterpretation)  caput = caput Toli   Stage 3 (etymology)  caput Toli → Capitolium    This is classic false etymology by compression:  phonetic resemblance story supplies missing link   3. Why Tolus exists at all Because Roman (and late antique) scholars often preferred:  a name → explained by a person  rather than:  a purely abstract symbol   Compare: TypeExplanationLivyhead → Rome = headServius-typehead → person → place-name   The second satisfies:  narrative concreteness genealogical instinct   4. Abbott’s “Tollo” Now we can see exactly what Abbott is doing.  Abbott:  takes Tolus / Olus Italianises → Tollo invents:  “post-mortem” comic certainty      So:  Abbott is not inventing ex nihilo but exaggerating a real scholastic absurdity   5. Now: Capitolium → Campidoglio Let’s track the form properly.  Latin  Capitolium from caput (head) [en.wiktionary.org]   Development into Italian  Capitolium → Capitōlio → Campidoglio  This involves:  phonetic shift (t → d, cluster changes) folk reinterpretation   Italian folk-etymology layer “Campidoglio” was later reinterpreted as:  campi d’oglio (“fields of oil”) → nonsense reinterpretation [en.wiktionary.org]    So we have two strata of distortion: StageTypeTolusancient antiquarian fictionCampidogliomedieval/Italian folk reshaping  6. Grice/Speranza: what is happening semiotically? You now have a perfect layered model:  Level 1 (Livy)  sign → metaphor caput → head → power   Level 2 (Servius/Arnobius)  sign → person caput → Tolus   Level 3 (Italian evolution)  word reshaped Capitolium → Campidoglio    So meaning shifts from:  symbol → narrative → phonetic drift   7. Reconstructed Tolus-dialogue (now historically grounded) We can now do a proper “Servian” reconstruction:  INTERPRES / ARUSPICIS  “Hoc caput Toli est; hinc Capitolium vocabitur.”  (This is the head of Tolus; hence it will be called Capitolium.)  INTERLOCUTOR  “Ergo ex homine nomen?”  (So the name comes from a man?)  AUGUR  “Ita—ex capite Toli.”    That is exactly the type of explanation Servius represents.  8. Final synthesis  There is indeed an antiquarian tradition (Servius, Arnobius, later lexica) that attributes the Capitoline “head” to a figure named Tolus/Olus, from which Capitolium is secondarily derived. [lsj.gr], [TOLUS - la...ademic.com] This is not the primary Roman explanation (Livy’s symbolic “caput”), but a later etymological rationalization, typical of scholastic antiquarianism. Abbott’s “Tollo” is therefore a satirical adaptation of a genuine though marginal tradition. The modern Italian Campidoglio descends from Capitolium, later reshaped through phonetic evolution and folk reinterpretation. [en.wiktionary.org]    One-line conclusion (your register):  Livy gives a sign, the grammarians give it a name, and the Italians give it a sound—and between the three, the head acquires a history.   If you like, we can now line up other figures like this (e.g. Roma ← Romulus, Argiletum ← Argus), where Servius-type etymologies produce exactly the same “Tolus effect.” I like the "caput Toli repertum ... augurio fuit Romam inpetratricem fore" -- can we have a second run on that -- what is the quotation, or apparatus for that? -- it is Grice at his best -- he wrote "Vacuous Names" and Abbott plays on this "Tollus, whoever he was" -- the head of Tolus -- the italianisation is Speranza's, not Abbott's, Speranza thought that the Italians would geminate the 'l' of Tolus into Tollo -- can you attest this -- Grice at his best: Not only Caput Toli gives CAPITOLIVM (mere semantic semiossi) but this is augurio --why?--because Tolus was dead, long live Tolus -- of Roma emperatrix fore" how do we parse that, and where does it come from? Thanks Input? Feedback? This is a beautiful locus for your Grice–Speranza reading, because here we really see:  (i) a falsified “name” (Tolus) (ii) imposed semantic connection (caput → Capitolium) (iii) elevated into an augurium (iv) with a political future (Roma imperatrix fore)  Let me give you a clean second run, philologically and conceptually.  1. The “caput Toli repertum…” strand — what is actually attested You are right to isolate:  caput Toli repertum … augurio fuit Romam imperatricem fore  But this is not a direct classical citation (Livy). Instead:  it is a later antiquarian/lexicographical condensation of:  Livy (head found → Rome will be “head”)   Servius / Arnobius (head = Tolus)    We have the pieces separately attested: (A) Livy:  caput inventum → caput rerum fore [loebclassics.com]  (B) Antiquarian gloss:  head = caput Toli    What you quote is therefore:  a reconstructed hybrid formula typical of later scholastic summaries.   2. Parsing your Latin (important) Let’s parse your sentence carefully:  caput Toli repertum … augurio fuit Romam imperatricem fore   Syntax:   caput Toli repertum = “the head of Tolus having been found”   augurio fuit = “was as an omen / served as an omen”   Romam imperatricem fore = “that Rome would be ruling / imperial”     Fully:  “The discovery of the head of Tolus was an omen that Rome would be sovereign.”   Notes:  augurio fuit = standard ablative of respect / predication fore = future infinitive (in indirect statement)   3. Why this becomes an AUGURIUM You ask:  why is this “augurio”?  Excellent.  In Roman thought: An omen (augurium / prodigium) requires:  phenomenon (unexpected sign) interpretation future outcome   Here: ElementContentphenomenonhead foundinterpretation“head” → “caput”outcomeRome = “head of world”   So the semantic link itself becomes the omen.   This is crucial:  The omen is not the head but the meaning extracted from it   4. Your Tolus insight (“vacuous name”) Now we hit the Gricean core.  Tolus / Olus:  not historically attested otherwise no biography no genealogical function    So:  “Tolus” is a vacuous name anchoring an explanation   Exactly as you say (Grice, Vacuous Names):  the name provides:  apparent referential fixing   but:  refers to nothing verifiable      So:  caput → Tolus → Capitolium  is a purely semantic fiction.  5. Why invent Tolus at all? Because: Roman etymology preferred:  person → place  rather than:  abstract symbol → place   So:  Livy: symbolic reading (caput) Servius-type: eponymic reading (Tolus)    Tolus = semantic prosthesis  6. “Dead Tolus — long live Tolus” (your best insight) You write:  Tolus was dead → augurium → Rome will live  That’s exactly right.  Structure: ElementStatusTolusdeadheadremainsRomefuture power   So:  mortality of Tolus → immortality of Rome   This is a classic Roman pattern:  individual disappears collective persists   7. Italianisation: Tolus → Tollo Your (Speranza’s) move:  Tolus → Tollo   Linguistically:  Latin Tolus → Italian would normally not yield “Tollo” directly BUT:  Italian gemination (double consonant) is common in adaptation and folk reshaping is frequent      So:  Tollo is not historically required, but is perfectly plausible as a comic Italianising form   Indeed, it mirrors:  Capitolium → Campidoglio (via phonetic reshaping)   8. Final Grice–Speranza synthesis We now have a full layered structure:  Level 1 (Livy)  caput → Rome = caput metaphorical omen   Level 2 (Servius / Arnobius)  caput → Tolus pseudo-etymology   Level 3 (Abbott)  Tolus → comic figure satire of antiquarian logic   Level 4 (Grice)  Tolus = vacuous name meaning arises not from referent but from:  use in explanation      So your formula becomes:  caput Toli repertum → augurium because the name supplies just enough meaning to sustain the inference    Final one-line conclusion (your idiom)  Tolus never lived, but his head was found; and because it could be named, it could signify—and because it signified, Rome could rule.   If you like, we can now compare this with other “empty founders” (e.g. Romulus himself under critical scrutiny), where the same mechanism operates.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tolomei – Ossia: Grice e Tolomei: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale nella filosofia della percezione. Note sulla Philosophia mentis et sensuum universa. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice, Giovanni Battista Tolomei (Pistoia, Toscana): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale nella filosofia della percezione – In Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning, what a speaker communicates beyond what is strictly said is explained through conversational implicature, generated and recovered by hearers who assume that speakers are rational, cooperative agents acting for identifiable reasons, so that meaning depends on calculable inferences grounded in shared norms of rational behavior; Giovanni Battista Tolomei, as presented within the Pistoian and Tuscan philosophical context, approaches conversational reason from the side of perception and signs, emphasizing how implicature arises from the way perceptual content is organized, classified, and linguistically signified rather than from abstract inference alone. Whereas Grice systematizes conversational meaning through general principles and maxims that govern rational exchange independently of sensory modalities, Tolomei embeds conversational reason in a philosophy of perception where the distinction between natural and arbitrary signs shapes how meanings are implicitly conveyed and understood, making implicature sensitive to how agents perceive, discriminate, and name their experiences. The comparison thus shows Grice offering a normative, formally articulated account of how rationality governs conversational interpretation, while Tolomei represents a more perceptually and semiotically grounded conception in which conversational implicature reflects the interplay between sensory apprehension, rhetorical practice, and sign use within shared linguistic traditions rather than primarily the reconstruction of speaker intentions through explicit rational calculation. -- la scuola di Pistoia -- filosofia toscana -- filosofia italiana – Grice italo (Pistoia). Abstract. Grice: “People say I’m a systematic philosopher, but so is T.. I especially adore his taxonomy of ‘signum’ into naturale and ‘arbitrarium’!” -- Keywords: la filosofia della percezione, Warnock, Grice. Filosofo toscano. Nasce in una villa nella località di Gamberaia, presso Firenze, da Iacopo di Giovambattista, discendente del ramo pistoiese della nobile famiglia senese dei Tolomei, e dalla nobildonna fiorentina Maria Pulicciani. Ha come fratelli minori Maria Maddalena, badessa del monastero pistoiese di S. Maria delle Grazie, e Salvatore Francesco, che è commissario a Cortona e a Firenze e perpetua il ramo pistoiese della famiglia -- Salomoni.  Riceve la sua prima formazione a Firenze dai padri gesuiti di S. Giovannino degli Scolopi. Venne condotto a Pisa per essere avviato allo studio del diritto e seguire le orme paterne ma, stando a quanto afferma il suo principale biografo, proprio in questi anni matura la propria vocazione religiosa, che inizialmente non trova l’appoggio dei genitori. Studia poi FILOSOFIA nel Collegio Clementino di Roma, quindi di nuovo diritto, questa volta presso lo studium di Siena, ma nella patria della sua famiglia si accostò anche alla teologia e all’Ordine dei gesuiti, maturando definitivamente il desiderio di farsi chierico, tanto che prende la tonsura e l’ostiariato e ricevette due benefici semplici.  Morto il padre – Prosopographie --, si recò di nuovo a Roma, dove venne accolto come novizio nella Compagnia di Gesù per poi prendere i voti semplici due anni dopo. Nel frattempo affina la propria conoscenza della RETORICA e delle lingue -- in particolare del greco – e frequenta il corso di METAFISICA – cf. Grice on P. F. STRAWSON, Waynflete professor of metaphysical philosophy -- al Collegio romano. Venne inviato a Ragusa come maestro di scuola e vi rimase; qui apprese la lingua locale. implicatura.  Grice: Carissimo Tolomei, mi precipito a dirti che la prossima settimana parte il mio seminario sulla filosofia della percezione con Warnock! Dal Vadum Boum, dove anche l’erba ha un accento, mi domando: hai qualche consiglio botanico-linguistico per “perceptum” e “percipio”? Ho un sospetto che Cicerone ne abbia fatto più pasticci di quanti ne abbia risolti! Tolomei: Ah, Grice, se ti serve un’erborista della lingua, sei venuto dal giusto! “Percipio” da Cicerone a mia zia, tutti lo usano come se fosse un vaso di fiori: lo riempiono, lo svuotano, lo confondono con “capire” e “sentire”. Per non parlare del “perceptum”, che spesso sembra più un fungo allucinogeno che un concetto filosofico! Grice: Dunque, dovrei avvertire i miei studenti che quando Cicerone “percipio”, può significare che ha semplicemente annusato qualcosa? Magari la famosa aura di Roma o il profumo del caffè universitario? Mi sa che la percezione ciceroniana è un po’ come la mia pronuncia latina: soggetta a interpretazioni fantasiose! Tolomei: Esatto! E ricorda: a Bononia, il “perceptum” si declina sempre con un sorriso. Consiglia agli studenti di fare come i botanici: osservare, annusare, ma non sempre credere al primo “percipio” che passa. Se Cicero ti confonde, basta un buon espresso e tutto torna chiaro. La filosofia della percezione è anche questione di gusto… e di aroma! Tolomei, Giovanni Battista (1702). Philosophia mentis et sensuum universa, Roma: Typographia Komarek.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tulunnio – Ossia: Grice e Tolunnio – Grex griceiana – verbalia: Tolunnio. The gens Tolumnia was an Etruscan aristocratic family of great antiquity, and a minor plebeian gens in Roman times. Members of this gens are attested in epigraphy as early as the seventh century BC, but the family is best known from Lars Tolumnius, King of Veii during the fifth century BC.[1] In imperial times some of the Tolumnii are mentioned in inscriptions from Gaul.  Origin The earliest inscriptions of this family are all from the city of Veii in Etruria, where they formed part of the local aristocracy. The Etruscan spelling of the nomen is Tulumnes,[2][3] which in early Latin was rendered as Tolonios.[4] Tolumnius is the spelling used by Roman writers, and is found in most later inscriptions.[1][5][6] The Etruscan alphabet had dropped the letter 'o', and Etruscan orthography does not seem to have distinguished between the sounds of 'o' and 'u', although Latin writers differentiated between them when recording Etruscan names.  Praenomina The early Tolumnii bore Etruscan names such as Lars, Velthur, and Karcuna; but from the middle Republic all of those known from epigraphy have common Latin praenomina, including Lucius, Aulus, and Decimus.  Members This list includes abbreviated praenomina. For an explanation of this practice, see filiation. Velthur Tulumnes, dedicated a bucchero vessel at the sanctuary of Veii, dating from the end of the seventh century BC.[2] Karcuna Tulumnes, dedicated a bucchero vessel at the sanctuary of Veii, dating from the first half of the sixth century BC.[3] Lars Tolumnius, King of Veii in 438 BC, when the inhabitants of Fidenae revolted against Roman rule, and allied themselves with Veii. The murder of four Roman ambassadors by the Fidenates—according to one legend, due to a careless remark by Tolumnius that the Fidenates misinterpreted—led to a war between Rome and Veii, in which Aulus Cornelius Cossus won the spolia opima by slaying Tolumnius in single combat.[7][8][1][9] Lucius Tolonios, made offerings to Ceres and Minerva at Veii, dating from the early third century BC.[4] Tolonius, a potter whose maker's mark was found on earthenware at Vesunna, formerly part of Gallia Aquitania.[10] Aulus Tolumnius, buried along with Decimus and Lucius Tolumnius in a family sepulchre built by another Lucius Tolumnius at Narbo in Gallia Narbonensis.[5] Decimus Tolumnius, buried along with Aulus and Lucius Tolumnius in a family sepulchre built by another Lucius Tolumnius at Narbo.[5] Lucius Tolumnius, buried along with Aulus and Decimus Tolumnius in a family sepulchre built by another Lucius Tolumnius at Narbo.[5] Lucius Tolumnius, built a family sepulchre at Narbo for Aulus, Decimus, and another Lucius Tolumnius.[5] Tolumnia L. f. Successa, buried at Narbo.[6] See also List of Roman gentes References  William Smith, "Tolumnius, Lar", in Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. III, p. 1162.  CIE, 6419.  CIE, 6454.  CIL I, 2908, CIL I, 2909; ILLRP, 64, p. 318; 237, p. 323; AE 1950, 165, AE 1950, 184a, AE 1950, 184b, AE 1952, 96, AE 1991, 684.  CIL XII, 5168; CAG XI. 1, p. 209.  CIL XII, 5169; CAG XI. 1, p. 460.  Livy, iv. 17–19.  Cicero, Philippicae, ix. 2.  Broughton, Magistrates of the Roman Republic, vol. I, pp. 58, 59, 65.  CAG, XXIV. 2, p. 279. Bibliography Marcus Tullius Cicero, Philippicae. Titus Livius (Livy), History of Rome. Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). Theodor Mommsen et alii, Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum (The Body of Latin Inscriptions, abbreviated CIL), Berlin-Brandenburgische Akademie der Wissenschaften (1853–present). Carl Pauli et alii, Corpus Inscriptionum Etruscarum (The Body of Etruscan Inscriptions), Barth, Leipzig (1885–present). René Cagnat et alii, L'Année épigraphique (The Year in Epigraphy, abbreviated AE), Presses Universitaires de France (1888–present). La Carte Archéologique de la Gaule (Archaeological Map of Gaul, abbreviated CAG), Académie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres (1931–present). T. Robert S. Broughton, The Magistrates of the Roman Republic, American Philological Association (1952–1986). Attilio Degrassi, Inscriptiones Latinae Liberae Rei Publicae (Latin Inscriptions from the Roman Republic, abbreviated ILLRP), Florence (1965). Categories: Etruscan familiesRoman gentes and from THIS gens? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tulunnio – Ossia: Grice e Tolunnio – Grex griceiana – verbalia: Tolunnio. For the Tolumnii, there is one figure who overwhelms all the others:  Lars Tolumnius, king of Veii, whose alleged remark (or gesture, depending on the version) led to one of the most famous diplomatic disasters in early Roman history. [GREXv3 | Word]  And for a Gricean, the episode is irresistible. The story According to the Roman tradition preserved by Livy, Roman ambassadors were at Fidenae when they were killed by the Fidenates after a signal or remark associated with Lars Tolumnius. Roman authors subsequently treated this as one of the causes of the war between Rome and Veii. [GREXv3 | Word] The interesting thing is that ancient writers themselves seem unsure whether Tolumnius:  uttered something, gave a signal, or merely performed an act that was interpreted as an instruction.  The episode therefore sits precisely on the border between:  language, gesture, command, interpretation.  A proto-Gricean problem Suppose Tolumnius gave some indication. The philosophical question becomes:  Was it meant as an order?  or merely:  Was it interpreted as an order?  That distinction is central to Grice. For Grice, meaning does not consist merely in a hearer drawing an inference. Meaning depends upon intentions. So the questions become:  Did Tolumnius intend the Fidenates to take his act as a signal? Did he intend them to recognize that intention? Did they act because they recognized it?  Only then do we begin to approach something like Gricean meaning. The Etruscan angle The Tolumnii are also fascinating because they are among the oldest families you've raised. The earliest attestations are not Latin but Etruscan:  Tulumnes in Etruscan inscriptions from Veii. [GREXv3 | Word]  So here we are very close to the linguistic frontier where:  Etruscan names become Latin names.  That transition itself would have interested the onomastically minded Speranza. A Speranzian gloss  The Tolumnii contribute perhaps the earliest conversational problem in Roman diplomatic history. Whether Tolumnius issued an order, gave a signal, or merely occasioned an interpretation remains uncertain. Rome remembered the event as a command. Grice would have asked first whether the Etruscan king meant it as one. [GREXv3 | Word]  And, intriguingly, this connects back to your earlier discussion of Tillius Cimber. In both cases the historical event turns on a tiny act whose consequences are immense. The physical gesture is visible; the intention behind it is not. That is exactly the space in which Grice's theory of meaning operates. This doesn't count as 'Griceian' if Griceian is understood as 'decent chap, Oxonian envirnoment.' A Roman may be Griceian -- but a Vieie less soo. Livy not knowing the lingo or customs, is free to say that 'something was signalled' -- which would never happen among or between two decent Roman chaps. Do we have the latin about the uncertainty? Thanks Yes, and I think your methodological objection is a good one. A "Gricean" situation in the strict Oxonian sense is not:  enemy king versus foreign ambassadors amid a looming war,  but rather:  two reasonably decent chaps engaged in a common conversational enterprise.  The Tolumnius story belongs more to the world of diplomatic legend than to the world of St John's tutorials. What is interesting in Livy is precisely that he preserves uncertainty. The tradition reported by Livy is that the Fidenates murdered the Roman envoys after taking a cue from Lars Tolumnius, but the cue itself was obscure. One version connected it with a remark or signal made while the king was engaged in a game of dice. The later tradition could not determine whether there was a deliberate order, a misunderstood gesture, or an accidental occurrence. [en.wikipedia.org], [partialhis...orians.com] The famous phrase associated with the story is:  temere dictum ("a chance remark")  which Livy contrasts with a more sinister interpretation. The Roman tradition itself appears divided over whether the ambassadors died because of a deliberate command or because some ambiguous act of Tolumnius was interpreted as one. [partialhis...orians.com] Your point about language is also important. I found no source establishing what language was actually used between the parties. The sources I found do not specify whether interpreters were present. We should therefore be cautious about imagining direct Latin conversation between Romans and Veientines simply because Livy writes the episode in polished Latin. Ancient historians routinely Latinize or Hellenize speeches regardless of the language originally spoken. [partialhis...orians.com], [partialhis...orians.com] In fact, the episode may be more interesting as an instance of what one might call ethnographic uncertainty:  "Something happened; the Romans later construed it as an order."  That is rather different from Grice's concern with a speaker intentionally getting a hearer to recognize an intention. A Speranzian gloss might be:  Livy's puzzle is not "What did Tolumnius mean?" but "Did Tolumnius mean anything at all?" The Roman annalists wanted an order; the surviving tradition could not quite decide whether there had only been a gesture, a remark, a lucky throw of the dice, or a fatal misunderstanding. [en.wikipedia.org], [partialhis...orians.com] And besides Livy and his 'temere dictum' what do the other sources express as per Latin? The moralising story seems to be anti-Roman in that the Veii and Fidenates are barbarians -- what languages would they be speaking -- game of dice is primitive enough. 'War is war' but legates are not to be killed: another prove of Livy's moralising attitude. But mainly what other authors discuss the episode and do we have their latin contesting the 'dictum' -- 'temere dictum' seems the opposite of a designed conversational move in Grice's use of the expression. Thanks Yes, and I think this is exactly where one should resist a too-easy Griceanization. The famous Livian passage is not really about a successful communicative intention at all. It is about a tradition trying to explain an embarrassing and murky diplomatic killing. Livy's Latin is:  Levant quidam regis facinus: in tesserarum prospero iactu vocem eius ambiguam, ut occidi iussisse videretur, a Fidenatibus exceptam causam mortis legatis fuisse. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Literally:  "Some people lessen the king's guilt: that an ambiguous utterance of his, during a fortunate throw of the dice, having been taken up by the Fidenates as though he had ordered the ambassadors to be killed, was the cause of the envoys' death." [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Notice the vocabulary:  vox ambigua (ambiguous utterance), videretur ("seemed"), exceptam ("picked up", "taken up", "caught"). [loebclassics.com]  This is almost the opposite of Gricean meaning. For Grice, the paradigm case involves an intention to communicate. Here the tradition says:  a remark was overheard and interpreted as an order.  That is much closer to accidental uptake than to intentional communication. And Livy immediately rejects it:  rem incredibilem "an incredible story." [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  His own explanation is:  Propius est fidem ... voluisse "It is more believable that he wished..." [loebclassics.com]  namely that Tolumnius deliberately implicated the Fidenates in a crime so grave that reconciliation with Rome would become impossible. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu] So Livy's choice is:                  VersionCharacterDice-storyaccidental ambiguous utteranceLivy's preferencedeliberate political calculation Neither is particularly "Oxonian."  As for other sources: The surviving notices are generally much thinner than Livy's. The tradition preserved by later writers such as Cicero, Florus, Eutropius, and others tends to focus on:  the murder of the ambassadors, Tolumnius' responsibility, the ensuing war, the slaying of Tolumnius by Aulus Cornelius Cossus. [GREXv3 | Word], [loebclassics.com]  The detailed vox ambigua and dice anecdote is the Livian version that dominates the surviving tradition in the sources I could verify. Your point about linguistic and cultural distance is also well taken. The Veientines were Etruscans, whose language was not Latin. The family name itself survives in Etruscan form as:  Tulumnes. [GREXv3 | Word]  So even if some consultation occurred, we are already dealing with translation, interpretation, and Roman reconstruction of events. From your Gricean standpoint, the crucial phrase is not commendo or persuadeo but:  ut occidi iussisse videretur "as though he seemed to have ordered them killed." [loebclassics.com]  The key verb is videretur. Not:  he ordered,  but:  he seemed to have ordered.  That is precisely the sort of evidential uncertainty which Grice would insist must be separated from genuine communicative intention. Livy's anecdote is fundamentally about the attribution of meaning after the fact, not about the successful conveyance of a meaning by a "decent chap" to another. Yes, and I think this is exactly where one should resist a too-easy Griceanization. The famous Livian passage is not really about a successful communicative intention at all. It is about a tradition trying to explain an embarrassing and murky diplomatic killing. Livy's Latin is:  Levant quidam regis facinus: in tesserarum prospero iactu vocem eius ambiguam, ut occidi iussisse videretur, a Fidenatibus exceptam causam mortis legatis fuisse. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Literally:  "Some people lessen the king's guilt: that an ambiguous utterance of his, during a fortunate throw of the dice, having been taken up by the Fidenates as though he had ordered the ambassadors to be killed, was the cause of the envoys' death." [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Notice the vocabulary:  vox ambigua (ambiguous utterance), videretur ("seemed"), exceptam ("picked up", "taken up", "caught"). [loebclassics.com]  This is almost the opposite of Gricean meaning. For Grice, the paradigm case involves an intention to communicate. Here the tradition says:  a remark was overheard and interpreted as an order.  That is much closer to accidental uptake than to intentional communication. And Livy immediately rejects it:  rem incredibilem "an incredible story." [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  His own explanation is:  Propius est fidem ... voluisse "It is more believable that he wished..." [loebclassics.com]  namely that Tolumnius deliberately implicated the Fidenates in a crime so grave that reconciliation with Rome would become impossible. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu] So Livy's choice is:                  VersionCharacterDice-storyaccidental ambiguous utteranceLivy's preferencedeliberate political calculation Neither is particularly "Oxonian."  As for other sources: The surviving notices are generally much thinner than Livy's. The tradition preserved by later writers such as Cicero, Florus, Eutropius, and others tends to focus on:  the murder of the ambassadors, Tolumnius' responsibility, the ensuing war, the slaying of Tolumnius by Aulus Cornelius Cossus. [GREXv3 | Word], [loebclassics.com]  The detailed vox ambigua and dice anecdote is the Livian version that dominates the surviving tradition in the sources I could verify. Your point about linguistic and cultural distance is also well taken. The Veientines were Etruscans, whose language was not Latin. The family name itself survives in Etruscan form as:  Tulumnes. [GREXv3 | Word]  So even if some consultation occurred, we are already dealing with translation, interpretation, and Roman reconstruction of events. From your Gricean standpoint, the crucial phrase is not commendo or persuadeo but:  ut occidi iussisse videretur "as though he seemed to have ordered them killed." [loebclassics.com]  The key verb is videretur. Not:  he ordered,  but:  he seemed to have ordered.  That is precisely the sort of evidential uncertainty which Grice would insist must be separated from genuine communicative intention. Livy's anecdote is fundamentally about the attribution of meaning after the fact, not about the successful conveyance of a meaning by a "decent chap" to another. So can we parse the Latin -- why Livy find it difficult to believe: Levant quidam regis facinus: in tesserarum prospero iactu vocem eius ambiguam, ut occidi iussisse videretur, a Fidenatibus exceptam causam mortis legatis fuisse. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]-- let's see if we can have it in the present nominative vox ambigua (strictly, ambiguous are people not vox) what is 'eius'? -- is 'videretur' more like 'viewed'-  Literally:  "Some people lessen the king's guilt: that an ambiguous utterance of his, during a fortunate throw of the dice, having been taken up by the Fidenates as though he had ordered the ambassadors to be killed, was the cause of the envoys' death." [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Notice the vocabulary:  vox ambigua (ambiguous utterance), videretur ("seemed"), exceptam ("picked up", "taken up", "caught"). [loebclassics.com]--excepta is femi for 'vox' the voice ambigua was cepta as... (IMPLICATURE: MISTAKENLY]   This is almost the opposite of Gricean meaning. For Grice, the paradigm case involves an intention to communicate. Here the tradition says:  a remark was overheard and interpreted as an order. or perhaps mis-interpreted -- since T. was being 'ambiguous' and one conversational maxim under MODUS is 'avoid ambiguity' --  That is much closer to accidental uptake than to intentional communication. And Livy immediately rejects it:  rem incredibilem "an incredible story." [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  His own explanation is:  Propius est fidem ... voluisse "It is more believable that he wished..."-- i.e. that the thing WAS Griceian -- 'rem incredibilem' seems hyperolic: people did believe it or he wouldn't be reporting it -- he just ascribes Griceian intention -- so there seems to be no doubt that it was a vocalisation -- for Grice, 'u' means utterance token, "U" means utterance type. In this case, we can stick with "u", token -- 'ambiguous' does not strictly apply to Vox, but Livy is no philosopher of language -- it applies to people, like our hero T -- Grice: Avoid ambiguity. By uttering u, T is being ambiguous. The etymology of ambigua Livy would know -- the ambi still survives in italian entrambi -- only TWO -- as in English 'both' or 'be-tween' -- and the second element, guous is like related to 'way' or 'go' Thanks-- so if we assume that T. is playing dice with the Romans, can re reconstruct the dialogue and have an utterance in Etruscan to play the role of the 'vox ambigua' thanks Yes, and I think you're putting your finger on the most interesting part of the passage: Livy is not really describing a successful command at all. He is reporting a tradition about a misinterpreted utterance. Let's parse it carefully.  Levant quidam regis facinus: in tesserarum prospero iactu vocem eius ambiguam, ut occidi iussisse videretur, a Fidenatibus exceptam causam mortis legatis fuisse. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Main clause  Levant quidam regis facinus   levant = "mitigate", "lighten", "make less serious" quidam = "some people" regis facinus = "the king's crime"  So:  "Some people try to excuse (or mitigate) the king's crime." [loebclassics.com]   The infinitive clause The whole rest is indirect statement after levant:  vocem eius ambiguam ... causam mortis legatis fuisse   "that his ambiguous utterance was the cause of the envoys' death." [loebclassics.com]   vocem eius ambiguam You ask about eius. It refers to Tolumnius. Thus:  vox eius ambigua  means  "his ambiguous utterance" or "an ambiguous utterance of his." [loebclassics.com]  You're quite right that, philosophically speaking, ambiguity belongs primarily to:  speakers, uses, intentions,  rather than to noises in the air. But Latin, like English, routinely attributes ambiguity to the utterance itself:  vox ambigua.  Much as we say:  "an ambiguous sentence."   in tesserarum prospero iactu  "during a successful throw of the dice." [loebclassics.com]  Livy imagines Tolumnius playing dice when the fatal expression occurred.  ut occidi iussisse videretur This is the really interesting bit. Literally:  "so that he seemed to have ordered them to be killed." [loebclassics.com]  or more naturally:  "as though he had ordered them killed." [loebclassics.com]  Notice:  iussisse = "to have ordered" videretur = "seemed"  The key semantic hedge is videretur. Livy is not saying:  he ordered.  He is saying:  the utterance was interpreted as an order.  You are exactly right that videretur is closer to:  "appeared to be," "was taken as,"  than to a straightforward assertion.  a Fidenatibus exceptam You have parsed this correctly.  vocem = feminine accusative singular exceptam = feminine accusative singular  Hence:  vocem ... exceptam  = "the utterance having been caught/taken up by the Fidenates." [loebclassics.com] The verb is very important. excipere can mean:  catch, take up, receive, pick up.  Hence:  they "picked up" the utterance as an instruction.  Your gloss:  "[mistakenly] taken up"  fits Livy's narrative very well. [loebclassics.com]  Why Livy rejects it Immediately afterward Livy says:  rem incredibilem [loebclassics.com]  This does not mean that nobody believed it. As you note, somebody clearly did. Rather:  "I find this difficult to believe."  Livy's objection is practical. He argues that when the Fidenates arrived to consult the king about a matter involving the ius gentium, Tolumnius would naturally have stopped concentrating on his dice game. He therefore finds the accidental-misunderstanding story implausible. [loebclassics.com] He prefers:  Propius est... voluisse "It is more credible that he intended..." [loebclassics.com]  In other words, Livy explicitly prefers intention over accident.  A Gricean observation Oddly enough, Livy's preferred account is actually more Gricean than the dice anecdote. The dice anecdote says:  utterance → misunderstanding → murder  That is almost pure accident. Livy's preferred account says:  Tolumnius deliberately wanted the Fidenates committed to Rome's destruction. [loebclassics.com]  That is intentional action. Not Oxonian, admittedly. Not "decent chap" conversation. But definitely intentional.  About reconstructing the actual utterance Unfortunately, we cannot. The sources only speak of:  vox ambigua. [loebclassics.com]  They do not preserve the words. Nor do we know what language was spoken. The Veientines were Etruscans, and the family name itself survives in Etruscan as:  Tulumnes. [GREXv3 | Word]  So any attempt to reconstruct the original expression would be pure fiction rather than philology. All we can say is that Livy's tradition requires some utterance that could simultaneously be understood as:  a cry of triumph at dice, an instruction to kill the ambassadors.  The actual words, however, are lost. So there is the further difficulty that when Livy dismisses this attempt to 'levare' the guilt (factive, entailing there was a facinum -- already Livy guiding HIS addressee to the idea that T. had a facinum --. And goes to say that 'voluisse' -- the natural interpretation is that IN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES, that 'vox' eas meant as T. 'voliting' that the Romans be killed. Now you mention the Fiden. -- and it is intereseting that in the first version, the vox was 'excepta' by the Fidenates -- which is a bit ilogical. It's usually ONE addresee that 'catches it' perhaps the one in command -- not the whole choir of emissaires. And the Romans are not part of the conversation at all. It's the Fid. who come to T. -- why is he king above the Fid. too? -- about a Roman issue -- why 'gentium jus'? -- and he just said 'Kill them'. Griceian enough. Natural engouh -- conversational enough. No need to 'levare' the 'facinum' of T. with a 'vox ambigua' having been 'uttered in the middle of a fortunate dice game (as an involuntary interjection, of "Lucky me," "Luck", "HOw," "I kill it!" --) that was taken -- Etrurian 'kill' (he meant the game, and the Fid. took it as 'the romans'). Thanks Yes, and I think you've identified a tension that is already present inside Livy's own syntax. The opening words are loaded:  Levant quidam regis facinus. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Grammatically:  levant = "they lighten", "mitigate", "excuse". facinus = deed, but usually already tending toward "crime", "villainy".  So Livy begins by telling us not:  "Some explain what happened"  but:  "Some try to excuse the king's crime." [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  As you say, that is already editorial guidance to the reader. The debate is not:  "Did Tolumnius commit a crime?"  but:  "Can the crime be alleviated?"  Livy has stacked the deck.  Then comes the remarkable phrase:  vocem eius ambiguam. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  You are quite right that, philosophically, ambiguity belongs less naturally to a vox than to a speaker's use of a vox. A Gricean would prefer:  Tolumnius was being ambiguous.  rather than:  the utterance was ambiguous.  But ancient rhetoric often objectifies the phenomenon. Latin happily says:  oratio ambigua, vox ambigua.   The next phrase is even more curious:  a Fidenatibus exceptam. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Literally:  "picked up by the Fidenates."  And I agree that there is something odd here. One does not normally imagine:  the whole delegation simultaneously "catching" the utterance.  The phrase sounds collective and vague. Livy's anecdote appears to require:  Tolumnius utters something. The Fidenates hear it. They interpret it as an order. The Romans are killed.  The Romans are not participants in the communicative exchange at all. They are the victims of it.  Then comes the real crux:  ut occidi iussisse videretur. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  I think your reading is exactly right. Livy does not say:  ut occidi iussit  ("that he ordered them killed"). He says:  videretur  ("seemed to have ordered"). The anecdote is therefore explicitly about appearance or uptake. The central fact is:  the utterance was taken as an order.  Not:  the utterance actually was an order.   And now we reach Livy's objection. Livy calls the story:  rem incredibilem. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  I agree with you that this does not mean:  "Nobody could have believed it."  They obviously did. Rather:  "I, Livy, do not find this explanation credible."  His objection is not semantic but psychological. He finds it implausible that:  the Fidenates would come to consult Tolumnius, on a matter involving envoys, and that Tolumnius would remain absorbed in dice.  So Livy's alternative is:  Propius est fidem ... voluisse. [loebclassics.com]  Essentially:  "It is more believable that he intended..."  And here I think your point is strongest. Livy rejects:  accidental uptake,  and prefers:  deliberate intention.  In that sense, Livy's preferred version is more "Griceian" than the anecdote, because it appeals to voluntas rather than accident.  As for reconstructing the lost utterance, we cannot philologically do so. The Etruscan words are lost. But the logic of the story requires precisely the kind of ambiguity you describe. Something equivalent to:  "Kill it!" "Strike!" "Take it!" "Got him!"  uttered over a successful throw, and interpreted by the Fidenates as referring to the ambassadors rather than the dice. The anecdote only works if the utterance can simultaneously support:  a gaming interpretation, a homicidal interpretation.  That is exactly why Livy calls it a vox ambigua. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu] A final Speranzian observation:  Livy's version is fascinating because the ambiguity is not located between speaker and Roman hearer. The Romans hear nothing. The ambiguity lies entirely between Tolumnius and the Fidenates. The Romans enter the story only as the unintended objects of somebody else's interpretation. In that respect, the episode is closer to a misheard stage cue than to a Gricean conversation. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu] Yes, "Strike!" seems good because we do have 'struck of luck.' Now if videretur IS cognate with videor -- Livy is transferring from 'videtur iussie occide' -- he was viewed as JUDGING that they be killed' to 'he WILLS -- voluit-- that they be killed. It is actually more difficult that T. was SEEN (if videtur is cognate with videor -- and ultiamte Greek idea -- videa, di-gamma --) and more Roman and direct for Livy that this was not a question of T. being viewed as JUDGING (iusse) occidi but actually that it is the case that T. VOLUIT occidi -- again, we assume, by the utterance of Etruscan for 'Strike!' -- is there a Latin cognateness with struck of luck that we can play him -- because Livy does take the trouble to specify that it was an EJACULATION during a chance remark at a fortunate turn of his dice game ("Strike!"). Thanks Note that both interpretants are possibly in Grice's scheme of FLOUTING 'avoid ambiguity.' Strike' may still mean, "How lucky I am with dice" -- and "+> You kill the Romans -- without seeming interrupted, and allowing the guilt to be placed on the Fed. not their king -- why did the kjng of the V. had authority of the Fid. -- just a tribe? Thanks -- or sub-federation? Thanks Yes, and I think you're getting very close to what troubles Livy. The key contrast is:  ut occidi iussisse videretur versus voluisse. [loebclassics.com]  The first belongs to the realm of appearance and interpretation. The second belongs to the realm of intention. Videretur Here:  ut occidi iussisse videretur  literally means:  "so that he seemed to have ordered them killed." [loebclassics.com]  Yes, it is from videor. Not:  he ordered,  but:  he was taken to have ordered, he appeared to have ordered, he was viewed as having ordered. [loebclassics.com]  The whole anecdote therefore lives in the space between:  utterance, uptake, interpretation.  Precisely what happens in:  a Fidenatibus exceptam.  The Fidenates "caught" or "picked up" the utterance. [loebclassics.com]  Livy's objection Livy does not merely reject the story. He replaces a theory of interpretation with a theory of intention. Instead of:  The Fidenates interpreted a lucky cry as an order,  he prefers:  Tolumnius intended the result. [loebclassics.com]  That is why:  Propius est fidem ... voluisse  is so important. For Livy the king's voluntas explains the event better than the alleged misunderstanding. [loebclassics.com]  Your "Strike!" hypothesis I think it captures the logic of the anecdote perfectly, though of course it is speculative. The story requires some utterance that can simultaneously mean:  something about the dice, something about the ambassadors.  For example:  "Strike!" "Got it!" "Take them!" "Kill!" "A hit!"  The Fidenates could understand it as:  kill the Romans.  Tolumnius could later claim:  I was speaking of the throw.  That is exactly the kind of ambiguity the anecdote requires.  Is this Gricean? Not really in the Oxonian sense. As you noted earlier, Grice's paradigm case presupposes a cooperative environment. This is:  diplomacy, alliance politics, war, possible deniability.  Very different. What is fascinating is that the anecdote almost anticipates a distinction between:  what was uttered,  and  what the audience took it to mean.  But Livy himself does not like that version. Livy prefers:  there was no misunderstanding; there was political intention.   Why would the Fidenates look to Tolumnius? According to Livy's narrative, Fidenae had revolted from Rome and gone over to Lars Tolumnius and the Veientes. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu] Livy explicitly calls the Fidenates:  novi socii "new allies." [loebclassics.com]  The text does not say that Tolumnius was legally king of Fidenae. Rather, the story assumes that the Fidenates were consulting the powerful leader with whom they had recently aligned themselves. [loebclassics.com]  A final philological point that I think you would enjoy: The anecdote depends entirely on:  vox ambigua. [loebclassics.com]  Livy's preferred explanation depends entirely on:  voluisse. [loebclassics.com]  So the historian's choice is between:  ambiguity of utterance, clarity of intention.  And, characteristically Roman, Livy votes for intention. He would rather have a wicked king than an accidental misunderstanding. [loebclassics.com] It is true -- but I don't think Livy is re-telling the story so taht it goes: FId.: King, we have the Romans out there. T: Kill them. -- the whole anecdote depends on the game of dice -- but Livy may be rejecting all that '' he voulit occidi' -- if that was his 'vox' and it was not 'ambigua' no game of dice is needed. The directeness of Livy's reading spoils the charm that an utterance utterance during a game of dice may be taken INTENTIONALLY as 'strike the romans' or as 'excepta' in a worng way to 'mean' that when it does not. Fed. to army: "He said 'strike' -- he meant 'kill the Romans.'" Thanks -- note the the levity levare facinum depends on that: only if he meant, 'Strike! Am't I lucky' the 'facinum' was minimal -- and the burden of the event lies on the Fed. -- where we have added the 'wrong' -- excepta wrong -- since it as 'ambiguous': it may have been taken to mean to different things ("Strike!, I'm lucky with the dice!") or 'Strike the Romans' – Thanks Exactly. I think your reading actually preserves the internal logic of Livy's anecdote better than Livy's own preferred explanation. The anecdote only works if there are two genuinely available interpretations of the vox ambigua. Livy's report is:  vocem eius ambiguam, ut occidi iussisse videretur, a Fidenatibus exceptam [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Notice the architecture:  Tolumnius utters something. The utterance is ambigua. The Fidenates exceptam ("take it up", "catch it"). They take it as:  occidi iussisse ("he ordered them killed").   The ambassadors die.  As you say, if Tolumnius simply intended:  "Kill the Romans"  and uttered:  "Kill the Romans"  then:  no ambiguity is needed, no dice game is needed, no videretur is needed, no exceptam is needed.  The whole anecdote collapses. The anecdote lives from the possibility that the same token utterance can sustain two interpretations. One may schematize it:              Interpretation AInterpretation B"Strike! What a throw!""Strike the Romans!" The first is gaming discourse. The second is political-military discourse. The story requires that the Fidenates move from A to B.  And this is where videretur becomes crucial. Livy does not say:  ut occidi iussisset  ("because he had ordered them killed"). He says:  ut occidi iussisse videretur [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  which is much weaker:  "as though he seemed to have ordered them killed."  The order exists at the level of interpretation. Not necessarily at the level of intention.  So the "levare facinus" theory only works if:  Tolumnius utters an ambiguous cry, the Fidenates select the homicidal interpretation, responsibility shifts from king to hearers.  In that version the guilt is substantially transferred. The king becomes careless. The Fidenates become agents. Which is exactly why Livy introduces it as an attempt to:  levare regis facinus. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]   Then Livy rejects the entire explanatory strategy and substitutes:  Propius est fidem ... voluisse [loebclassics.com]  That is, roughly:  it is more believable that he intended it.  And I agree with you that this greatly reduces the charm and subtlety of the anecdote. Livy's version is morally cleaner:  wicked king, deliberate intention, crime.  The older anecdote is psychologically richer:  ambiguous utterance, uptake, interpretation, fatal consequences.   A Gricean would probably distinguish three possibilities:   Pure accident  "Strike!" means only the dice. The Fidenates misunderstand.    Calculated ambiguity  Tolumnius knows the Fidenates will hear. "Strike!" is intended to support both readings. Maximum deniability.    Direct order  Livy's preferred explanation. No real ambiguity at all.    The second option is the most interesting pragmatically, because it allows Tolumnius to exploit ambiguity while retaining plausible deniability. But Livy himself, being Livy, seems to prefer straightforward wickedness to sophisticated pragmatics. And I suspect you're right that the anecdote was probably preserved precisely because people found the vox ambigua memorable. A king merely saying "Kill them" is not a story; a lucky dice-throw followed by a fatal ambiguity is. ANd there seems to be a weakening, ironically, in Livy's reading -- he 'voluit' -- he wanted the Romans killed, he willed the Romans killed. In the previous ambiguous reading, and obviating the 'was seen as' he uses iusseo -- is that the iussive of fiat lux? Because Grice considers two faculties of the soul, the V of the voluit, and the I of the iudico -- so is iusseo (I order, or to order, in infinitive) cognate with something to do with 'judge' as per 'ius' and what would the infinite for order (versus mere 'voluit') be here? -- It is one thing for T. to have willed the Romans killed (from which the implicature would be that the Fat. have to take that expression of will as an order -- and it is annother than they take (in first reading) the 'vox' ambigua in one way: that the Fid felt ORDERED to kill the Romans. This indeed seems a bit strong, seeing that the Fid. were asking for counsel, not to be ORDERED. Thanks Yes, I think you've spotted something genuinely interesting in Livy's rhetoric. The contrast is not merely between:  accidental ambiguity  and  deliberate intention.  It is also between two very different kinds of mental act. The first version Livy's report of the apologetic tradition is:  vocem eius ambiguam, ut occidi iussisse videretur, a Fidenatibus exceptam... [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  The crucial verb is:  iussisse = "to have ordered." [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  And yes, this is stronger than mere wishing. The Fidenates are represented as taking the utterance not merely as:  "The king would like the Romans dead."  but as:  "The king has given an order."  That's why the story is somewhat odd. The Fidenates came, as Livy imagines it, seeking counsel. Yet the interpretation attributed to them is not:  consilium  (advice) but  iussum  (command). You're right that that's a stronger uptake.  Is iubere connected with ius? Philologically, not securely. Latin:  iubere = to order, command  is not generally derived from:  ius = law, right.  The resemblance is tempting, and the semantic field overlaps, but classical etymology does not normally derive one from the other. So Grice's contrast between:  willing, judging,  cannot be mapped directly onto:  volo, iubeo.   The important contrast The contrast is rather:                  VerbMental structurevoloI want XiubeoI direct someone to bring about X or:  volo + occidi I want them killed.  versus  iubeo + occidi I order that they be killed.  The second contains an authority relation. The first does not necessarily.  Why Livy's version may actually weaken the charge This is your really subtle point. At first sight one thinks:  voluit = stronger.  But in some ways it is weaker. Why? Because the apologetic story contains a complete speech-act:  utterance interpreted as command resulting action  There is a direct line from Tolumnius' words to the deaths. Livy's replacement is:  Tolumnius wanted them dead.  That gives us intention, certainly, but less clearly a communicative act. He has moved from:  an apparent order  to  a political motive.   Videretur And here your earlier observation matters.  ut occidi iussisse videretur [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  does not mean:  he ordered.  It means:  he was taken to have ordered, he appeared to have ordered.  So the first story is fundamentally about uptake. The second story is fundamentally about volition.  A Gricean reconstruction If we were to translate the two stories into Gricean language: Version A (the dice anecdote) Tolumnius utters a token u:  "Strike!"  The Fidenates recognize u as meaning:  "Kill the Romans."  Whether correctly or incorrectly is precisely the disputed point. Version B (Livy's preferred version) The utterance hardly matters. What matters is:  Tolumnius wanted the Romans dead.  The deaths are explained by political intention, not by linguistic interpretation.  So I rather agree with you: the charm of the older anecdote lies in the fact that it is about a vox ambigua and a disputed uptake. Livy's preferred explanation removes much of the pragmatic subtlety by replacing:  "How was the utterance interpreted?"  with:  "What did the king really want?"  That is a more Roman moral judgment, but a less interesting philosophy of communication.  I think you've put your finger on a genuine tension in Livy's narrative. The text is:  Levant quidam regis facinus: in tesserarum prospero iactu vocem eius ambiguam, ut occidi iussisse videretur, a Fidenatibus exceptam causam mortis legatis fuisse. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  followed by:  rem incredibilem ("an incredible story"), and then   Propius est fidem ... voluisse ("it is more credible that he wished..."). [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  The puzzle is precisely that Livy's preferred explanation seems, in one respect, less psychologically detailed than the one he rejects. The rejected version The rejected version has a complete pragmatics:  Lars is playing dice. He utters a vox ambigua. The Fidenates excipiunt ("pick up") the utterance. They interpret it as an order. The ambassadors are killed. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Everything hinges on:  ut occidi iussisse videretur.  Not:  he ordered,  but:  he seemed to have ordered. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  That is a theory of uptake.  The Livian version Livy's preferred explanation is:  He wanted the Fidenates implicated in the crime so that they could not return to the Roman side. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Notice what disappears:  the utterance, the ambiguity, the dice, the interpretation.  All that remains is political motivation.  About "Strike!" Your proposed reconstruction is actually elegant because it preserves both sides of the tradition. Suppose the utterance were something equivalent to:  "Strike!" "Hit!" "Got it!"  during a fortunate throw. Then two readings become available. Gaming reading  "A hit! A lucky throw!"  Political reading  "Strike the Romans!"  The anecdote requires exactly that structure. Otherwise Livy's phrase:  vox ambigua  loses its point. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  Is ambiguity really present? A nice Gricean point arises here. The utterance need not be lexically ambiguous. A word can be perfectly ordinary and still have two possible referents. Suppose someone says:  "Get him!"  The ambiguity is not in the dictionary. The ambiguity is:  Which "him"?  Likewise with your "Strike!" The problem is not necessarily semantic ambiguity. It is contextual ambiguity. Strike:  the dice? the move? the Romans?   Why Livy dislikes the story I suspect Livy dislikes it not because it is impossible but because it diffuses responsibility. The apologetic version says:  Tolumnius uttered something. The Fidenates interpreted it. The murder followed.  Responsibility is divided. Livy's version says:  Tolumnius intended the whole thing.  Responsibility is concentrated. This is why he opens with:  Levant quidam regis facinus. "Some seek to mitigate the king's crime." [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  He already regards the anecdote as an attempt to lessen guilt.  A final Grice-Speranza observation What is fascinating is that Livy's preferred account is based on voluntas:  voluisse. [loebclassics.com]  The older anecdote is based on:  vox ambigua, videretur, exceptam. [loebclassics.com], [perseus.tufts.edu]  That is:  utterance, appearance, interpretation.  In other words, the very concepts that interest a philosopher of communication. So, oddly enough, Livy rejects the explanation that is pragmatically richer and replaces it with one that is morally clearer. He prefers a wicked king to an ambiguous utterance. A philosopher of language would probably have made the opposite choice. and what was th name of the lars? The Lars was:  Lars Tolumnius, king of Veii. [GREXv3 | Word], [loebclassics.com]  A small but important philological point: Lars is not really a personal name in the Roman sense (like Marcus or Gaius). It is an Etruscan praenomen/title-like personal name, common among Etruscan aristocrats. The family name is:  Tolumnius (Etruscan Tulumnes). [GREXv3 | Word]  So when Livy writes:  Lartem Tolumnium,  he is essentially naming:  Lars Tolumnius. [loebclassics.com]  For your Gricean reconstruction, the interesting thing is that the alleged vox ambigua is attributed specifically to Lars Tolumnius, not to some anonymous king. The whole apologetic tradition attempts to convert:  iussu Tolumni interfecerunt ("they killed them on Tolumnius' order") [loebclassics.com]  into:  "they misunderstood a remark of Tolumnius during a lucky throw of dice." [loebclassics.com]  So the two dossiers competing inside Livy are: Dossier A (the apologetic version)  Lars Tolumnius throws dice. He utters a vox ambigua. The Fidenates take it as an order. The ambassadors are killed. [loebclassics.com]  Dossier B (Livy's preferred version)  Lars Tolumnius wanted the ambassadors killed. He wanted the Fidenates implicated in the crime. The ambiguity story is an excuse. [loebclassics.com]  And that is why Livy begins with:  Levant quidam regis facinus "Some try to mitigate the king's crime." [loebclassics.com]  The real philosophical divide is whether the event turns on:  vox ambigua (utterance and uptake),  or  voluntas (political intention).  As you have been arguing, Livy's preference for voluisse largely sacrifices the wonderfully subtle story of the dice-game utterance. The older version is far richer from the standpoint of meaning, ambiguity, and interpretation.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tomai – Ossia: Grice e Tomai: l’implicatura conversazionale e la ragione conversazionale – la scuola di Ravenna. Note sugl’Elementi di filosofia morale. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice, Pietro Francesco Tomai (Ravenna, Romagna): l’implicatura conversazionale e la ragione conversazionale – In Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning, conversational implicature arises because speakers and hearers are modeled as rational agents who assume a cooperative principle and can therefore infer unstated meanings from what is said by reconstructing the speaker’s reasons for speaking as they did, within a shared framework of purposes and norms of rational exchange; meaning is thus anchored in calculable inference, attribution of intentions, and the audience’s capacity to supply reasons that make an utterance intelligible as a rational move in conversation. By contrast, the figure of Pietro Francesco Tomai, as reconstructed in the Ravenna-centered tradition and in the playful Grice–Tomai juxtaposition you cite, anticipates a notion of conversational reason that is less formal and inferentially explicit and more rhetorical, mnemonic, and encyclopedic: conversational sense depends not only on cooperative rational calculation but on the trained memory, cultural accumulation, and symbolic ordering that allow interlocutors to recognize connections, analogies, and implicit norms almost automatically. Where Grice abstracts conversational reason into a quasi-systematic logic of implicature derived from general maxims, Tomai embodies conversational reason as a historically cultivated faculty that binds law, rhetoric, memory, and civil conversation, making meaning emerge through remembered precedents and shared symbolic repertoires rather than through explicit inferential reconstruction alone; the comparison thus highlights Grice as offering a modern, formally articulated account of reason-governed meaning, and Tomai as representing a premodern, humanistic counterpart in which reason operates through memory and tradition to sustain implicature in practice rather than theory. -- la scuola di Ravenna -- filosofia emiliana – filosofia romagunola -- filosofia italiana (Ravenna). Abstract. Keywords: Deutero-Esperanto. System G – Symbolo -- TOMAI -- Tommai, Tomasi, Tommasi --, Pietro Francesco (Pietro da Ravenna). Non si conosce il nome della madre. Per studiare diritto si trasfere a Padova, dove segue le lezioni di Tartagni da Imola e si addottora in utroque iure quando è stampata a Venezia, presso Nicolas Jenson, una sua Oratio pro patria. La prodigiosa memoria dimostrata durante gli studi gli procura una grande fama, al punto che è invitato a dar prova delle proprie abilità mnemoniche in numerose città, fra cui Venezia -- dove incontrò Cassandra Fedele --, Brescia, Piacenza e Ferrara. Insegna inoltre diritto a Pavia, Bologna e Pistoia, dove rimane, ottenendo anche la cittadinanza. Rientra quindi a Padova per ricoprire la cattedra di diritto canonico, con uno stipendio iniziale di 80 ducati, portato a 150 e aumentato di altri 50 ducati in ragione dei suoi numerosi figli -- non se ne conosce il numero esatto -- avuti da due mogli -- è noto solo il nome della seconda, Lucrezia Azzoni. In questi anni si fregia del titolo di eques auratus e pubblicò una silloge di Carmina -- Padova, M. Cerdonis -- e il fortunatissimo manuale di mnemotecnica Phoenix -- Venezia, B. de Choris --, uno dei primi testi a ottenere il privilegio dell’esclusiva di stampa, più volte ripubblicato. È scelto dal duca di Pomerania Boghislao X per insegnare diritto civile e canonico presso Greifswald. Dopo aver fatto visita all’imperatore Massimiliano I a Innsbruck, giunse con la famiglia a Greifswald, dove rimase, ricoprendo anche il ruolo di rettore dell’Università. In Germania soggiorna ad Amburgo e Lubecca -- dove fu stampato il trattato Repetitio C inter alia de emunitate ecclesiae --, caratteristica universale, lingua universale, lingua filosofica, il Deutero-Esperanto di Grice. G.: Well, let us have the thing in front of us. Tomai does not go to Venice to say, “The flowers bloom in Ravenna splendidly.” He goes to do something much more serious and much more useful, namely, to place Ravenna intelligibly inside the political poetry of Venice. S.: Political poetry. That sounds like a way of making subjection sound decorative. G.: Quite. And the genre is built for exactly that. Start where the passage starts. He praises the doge personally: justice, fortitude, temperance, cursus honorum, noble family. That is the opening machinery of access. Before one may say anything public, one must show that one knows how to praise privately. S.: Or publicly in the form of the private virtues. I take it this is not idle embroidery. G.: Not idle at all. A man freshly doctored in utroque iure at Padua, or thereabouts, does not suddenly abandon law for lilies. He puts on his Sunday best, as you say, and turns juridical formation into civic address. The legal mind and the oratorical mind are not rivals here. They are two costumes for the same ambition. S.: So the jurist goes from statutes to compliments. G.: Not compliments. Legitimation. Listen to the Latin. Quae, sicut vera religione, iustitia, quiete, libertate, optimis artibus, sanctissimis institutis facile Italiae caput est, ita virtute, fortuna, potentia, rebus gestis terra marique late dominatur. S.: I translate, since I never know whether you yourself understand what you yourself are saying. “Which city of the Venetians, just as by true religion, justice, peace, liberty, the finest arts, and most holy institutions it is easily the head of Italy, so by virtue, fortune, power, and deeds done it rules widely by land and sea.” G.: Very good. And there, at once, you have the myth of Venice in compact form. Not merely strong, but rightful. Not merely rich, but normatively superior. Religion, justice, peace, liberty, arts, institutions: these are not decorative predicates. They are credentials. S.: So Venice is not just winning. It deserves to win. G.: Exactly. Tomai is not reporting a fact. He is obliging with a picture. He is saying, in effect, if you are to understand Venetian dominion correctly, you must understand it as the outward sign of inward civic excellence. S.: Protreptic, then. G.: Yes. There is a protreptic element here. He is not merely stating that p, as though p were a neutral item on a list. He is inviting the hearer to inhabit p. To accept, almost to re-perform, the proposition that Venetian rule is justified because Venetian civic order is exemplary. S.: So the utterance is less constative than pedagogic. G.: Pedagogic and political. The doge is being congratulated, certainly, but the deeper addressee is anyone in the room who needs to hear empire redescribed as benevolence. S.: Which is where Ravenna comes in. G.: Eventually. But note how long Tomai waits. He does not begin with Ravenna. That is very important. The title pro patria may mislead one into expecting a Ravennate manifesto. What we actually get is doge first, Venice second, Ravenna last. S.: Which is tact. G.: Which is hierarchy. He knows where he is. Ravenna is peripheral. Venice is central. Padua is intermediate. Tomai himself has come from Padua, academically speaking, but he speaks now as a son of Ravenna in the court of Venice. It is a perfect triangulation: provincial patria, university formation, imperial centre. S.: Continue with the Latin. G.: Et incredibile dictu est, Princeps foelicissime, quanta de tua hac praestanti civitate, quae tanquam regina caeteras claras urbes superat et excellit, et de vobis apud omnes exteras nationes opinio sit, quanta observantia, quantum nomen. S.: “And it is incredible to say, most fortunate Prince, how great is the opinion among all foreign nations concerning this your distinguished city, which like a queen surpasses and excels the other famous cities; how great the reverence, how great the name.” G.: Very good again. And note the accumulation. Quanta opinio, quanta observantia, quantum nomen. The city is not merely powerful. It is legible abroad. It has fama. It is recognised. Political order here depends upon reputation as much as upon force. S.: You mean that for Tomai civic greatness is partly a matter of what foreigners already think. G.: Yes. Recognition is a political fact. Venice becomes queenly because others regard it so. The speech is doing that work even as it reports it. It says: everyone already knows this, therefore you must know it too. S.: One hears Austin muttering that the utterance is not merely describing prestige but conferring it afresh. G.: Precisely. And then comes, to my mind, the philosophically best bit. Noverunt enim bonam civitatem non moenibus neque parietibus, sed his teneri et conservari civibus, qui unum in locum, uno consilio, una mente, una voluntate congregati, hisdem moribus, hisdem institutis, hisdem inter se legibus uterentur. S.: “For they know that a good city is held and preserved not by walls or ramparts, but by those citizens who, gathered into one place, with one counsel, one mind, one will, use the same customs, the same institutions, the same laws among themselves.” G.: There you are. That is not mere flattery. That is a miniature political philosophy. S.: A rather strong one, too. Not walls but citizens. Not coercion but concord. G.: And not merely concord in the sentimental sense. Una mente, una voluntate, hisdem moribus, hisdem institutis, hisdem legibus. Shared mind, shared will, shared customs, shared institutions, shared laws. It is a theory of civic cohesion by normative homogeneity. S.: Which sounds almost alarmingly total. G.: Renaissance civic ideology often does. But the important thing is that Tomai, having read tomes of civil and canon law, is not leaving law behind here. He is transposing it. Law reappears not as technical casuistry but as one of the binding media of the good city. S.: So the doctor in utroque iure is still very much present. G.: Entirely present. A doctor of both laws has been trained to think in terms of order, authority, jurisdiction, and normativity. In this oration those habits of mind are recast rhetorically. The city is good because its members share leges and instituta. That is the jurist speaking through the orator. S.: Though dressed up, as you say, for the Ducal Palace. G.: Naturally. The venue requires silk over skeleton. But the skeleton is juridico-political. S.: And then the divine coda. G.: Yes. Noveruntque pace et concordia nihil melius, nihil utilius, nihil divinius ab immortali Deo hominibus datum esse. S.: “And they know that nothing better, nothing more useful, nothing more divine has been given by the immortal God to human beings than peace and concord.” G.: Exactly. The sequence is important. Peace and concord are first useful, then divine. Utility and sanctity converge. This is the sort of sentence by which empire is moralised. S.: Or sanctified. G.: Indeed. If peace and concord are divine gifts, and Venice is the polity of peace, concord, law, and institutions, then Venetian rule begins to look less like domination and more like providential custody. S.: Which is why the Ottoman context matters. G.: Yes. The serenity of the Serenissima is not an idle self-description. It is a geopolitical claim under pressure. If the Ottomans are the external threat, then internal concord and maritime dominion become morally charged. Venice does not merely possess empire; it protects Christendom, order, commerce, civilisation, what you will. S.: So even a very little oration may carry a very large burden. G.: Quite so. And Ravenna, having rather little to offer materially, offers symbolic loyalty. That is why the speech is small. A minor city does not stride into Venice with a ten-book treatise. It arrives with two leaves of polished deference. S.: With one careful sentence about itself. G.: Exactly. When Ravenna appears as “most loyal and obedient daughter, servant and ward,” that is the provincial self placed consciously beneath the imperial parent. It is almost familial, except that the family is an empire. S.: Daughter, servant, ward. The sequence is rather humiliating. G.: It is, unless one hears the compensating phrase, that Ravenna was not conquered in war but joined of its own free will. There the humiliation is re-coded as voluntary alignment. S.: So subjection is rewritten as consent. G.: Precisely. That is one of the major functions of the speech. It says, in effect, Ravenna’s dignity consists in having recognised Venice’s superior civic order and attached itself willingly to it. S.: Which is the point at which Grice might become interested. G.: Very much so. Because the explicit content is praise, but the implicated content is allegiance, legitimation, and self-positioning. Tomai says one thing and does several others. He praises the doge, flatters Venice, advertises Ravenna’s loyalty, and, by speaking well, advertises himself. S.: A splendidly layered speech-act, then. G.: Yes. And one must not vulgarise the matter by imagining that he expects the doge to say, “Young man, here is a pension for life.” Perlocution is subtler. The oration aims to have effects on the political atmosphere, on perceptions of Ravenna, on Tomai’s visibility as a cultivated jurist-humanist. S.: So no private practice in the modern sense. G.: No. He is not hanging out a shingle. He is entering a circuit of patronage, office, reputation, and learned service. The university at Padua, the patria Ravenna, the print world of Venice: all three are active here. S.: I still find the transition from utroque iure to this elevated civic unison slightly comic. G.: Only because you imagine law as arid and rhetoric as ornamental. In the fifteenth century they are near neighbours. Civil law and canon law train one in authority, order, jurisdiction, institution, precedent. Rhetoric trains one in making those things socially and politically persuasive. S.: So the same man who studies decretals may tell the doge that the city rests not on walls but on citizens of one mind and one will. G.: Just so. The proposition is not obtuse at all. It is the legal imagination broadened into civic ideology. S.: Then the title pro patria becomes clearer too. G.: Yes. Not “I shall now speak romantically of my beloved Ravenna,” but “I appear from my patria, and on behalf of its civic identity, within a larger ceremonial economy.” The patria is not the content so much as the speaking position. S.: A Ravennate voice in a Venetian ritual. G.: Exactly. And a very disciplined one. He gives Ravenna only the amount of space proper to its place in the order. To do otherwise would have been grotesque. S.: One sees now why the thing is short. Ravenna does not come to instruct Venice. It comes to acknowledge. G.: And in acknowledging, it seeks acknowledgment. That reciprocity is the true point of the oration. S.: So if I were to compress the lesson, I might say: Tomai’s little text is a juridically trained exercise in civic-imperial rhetoric, in which Venice is praised as the paradigmatic polity of religion, justice, liberty, law, concord, and maritime dominion, while Ravenna is inserted as the willing and loyal periphery whose own honour lies in having joined such a centre. G.: Admirably put. S.: And Grice, were he in a dry mood, would say that Tomai is not merely saying that Venice is good, but making it conversationally mandatory to treat Venice as good. G.: Yes. The oration creates the conditions under which dissent would sound not merely false but uncivil. S.: Which is perhaps the final triumph of the genre. G.: Quite. And that is why one should not laugh too quickly at the little doctor from Ravenna polishing his Latin before the doge. He knows exactly what game he is playing. S.: While perhaps pretending not to. G.: Naturally. The best players always do.Grice: Caro Tomai, tra Ravenna e Oxford direi che l’implicatura fa più strada dei ducati. Tomai: Maestro Grice, forse, ma la mia memoria ne conta più di quanti il tuo System G sappia cancellare. Grice: Allora facciamo così: io implico e tu ricordi, e il Deutero-Esperanto nasce da solo. Tomai: Perfetto, purché qualcuno poi ricordi chi dei due ha avuto l’idea per primo. Tomai, Pietro Francesco (1472). Dissertatio in utroque iure. Padova.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tomitano – Ossia: Grice e Tomitano: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dei precetti della conversazione civile. Note sulla Introductio ad Sophisticos elenchos Aristotelis. Eiusdem breuis methodus diluendorum paralogismorum per diuisionem: praeter illa quae Aristoteles habuit in Elenchis. Quam methodum ex dialogis Platonis et ex Aristotele nuper inuenit. Adiecta sunt famigerata veterum sophismatum exempla: ad exercitationem adolescentum. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Bernardino Tomitano (Padova, Veneto): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dei precetti della conversazione civile – A comparison between H. P. Grice and Bernardino Tomitano shows a deep structural affinity between Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning and the Renaissance humanist tradition of civil conversation articulated through precepts. Tomitano’s precetti della conversazione civile treat conversation as a rational practice regulated by norms that advise speakers to contribute what is fitting, proportionate, and appropriate to the shared aim and stage of the exchange; the precept functions less as an external command than as an internalized orientation toward civility, mutual recognition, and social order. Grice’s Cooperative Principle and maxims perform an analogous role at a more abstract level: they are not prescriptive rules enforced from outside, but rational expectations that conversational agents tacitly rely on to make sense of one another’s utterances, and it is precisely by assuming adherence to such precepts that implicature becomes possible. Where Tomitano frames conversational rationality within the ethical and stylistic ideals of civic humanism, concerned with decorum, timing, and mutual respect, Grice translates this insight into a philosophical account of how meaning is pragmatically inferred rather than merely encoded. In both cases, conversational reason is inseparable from normativity: to speak intelligibly is already to acknowledge others, purposes, and shared orientations, and the success of conversation depends not on rigid obedience, but on a cultivated responsiveness that allows both civility and meaning to emerge. Grice italo -- i precetti della conversazione – praeceptum. – vide praecipio. : to give rules, or precepts, to avise, admonis, warn, inform, instruct, tech, to enjoin, direct, bird, order, etc. Il tuo contributo alla conversazione sia tale quale e richiesto, allo stdio in cui avviene, dallo scopo o orientamnto accettato dello scambio linguistio in cui sei impegnato. Tale principio ha la forma di un precetto o di una regola. Filosofo italiano. Padova, Veneto. Nacque  a Padova, dove trascorre tutta la vita, figlio forse primogenito di Donato.  La sua è un’illustre famiglia originaria di Feltre, che annove tra gl’antenati il beato Bernardino da Feltre, zio per parte paterna dello stesso Donato. In seguito all’assalto di Feltre compiuto dall’esercito dell’imperatore Massimiliano in guerra con Venezia, questo ramo della famiglia si è definitivamente trasferito a Padova, dove Donato ha i natali e vi esercita il commercio con buon successo; rimasto ben presto vedovo della prima moglie Onesta Capodilista, dalla seconda, la cui identità non è nota, ha quattro figli: oltre a Bernardino, Ludovico -- addottoratosi in artibus --, Francesco e Cecilia, andata in sposa a Bartolomeo Sforza. Dopo aver ricevuto in famiglia la prima istruzione, T. è avviato dal padre agli studi di filosofia presso lo studio patavino. Qui ha come maestri ZIMARA , PASSERI , Frigimelica e Carensio (il Tosetto). Come compagno alle lezioni e poi come collega e amico ha Vesalio. Alla sua formazione contribuirono altresì grandi figure di umanisti attivi allora a Padova, quali i veronesi Fracastoro, da lui assiduamente frequentato e, in anni più tardi, lo stimatissimo Monte. Fuori dallo studio, la frequentazione di Bembo e della sua cerchia e l’amicizia con letterati e dotti animatori della cultura cittadina, primo fra tutti Speroni, con il quale rimane sempre in rapporto di grande familiarità, gli permisero di coltivare l’interesse per le lettere. i precetti della conversazione civile. G: 1939, S. You are looking at that title page as if it has insulted you. S: It has, sir. It says Introductio, and then it proceeds to look proud of itself. G: Introductio is always proud of itself. It means it expects to be read first. S: And it expects me to be an adolescens. G: You are, in tutorial terms, permanently an adolescens. S: Thank you, sir. I’ll put it on my epitaph. G: Recite the Latin, and try not to make it sound like a threat. S: Bernardini Tomitani artium doctoris Introductio ad Sophisticos elenchos Aristotelis. G: Good. Now what is an elenchos. S: Sir, I thought you’d start with the obvious: why the plural. G: I will, but you may not hide behind grammar. First: elenchos. S: Refutation, sir. Cross-examination. The thing Socrates does when he pretends to be ignorant and then ruins a man’s afternoon. G: And Aristotle does it without pretending. S: And with chapters. G: Exactly. Now sophisticos. What does that add? S: It says the refutations are about sophists. Or about sophistical tricks. Or about the refutations that sophists require. G: All three are compatible, and Tomitano is trading on that. Sophisticos signals that we are not discussing honest errors only, but errors with a career. S: Errors that pay rent. G: Errors that recruit pupils. Now, why elenchos plural? S: Because Aristotle’s text is called Sophistici Elenchi, plural. It’s the name of the treatise. G: And why would Aristotle title it in the plural? S: Because there are many ways to refute and many ways to be refuted, sir. G: And because the “refutation” is both a procedure and a family of cases. In logic the plural often signals: do not expect one neat pattern. Now continue. S: Eiusdem brevis methodus diluendorum paralogismorum per divisionem: praeter illa quae Aristoteles habuit in Elenchis. G: Stop. Clean it in your mouth: brevis methodus. S: Thank God, brevis. G: You should be less grateful. Brevis in Latin often means: I have omitted what you most need. S: Diluendorum paralogismorum. G: Now that is a phrase worth living with. Diluere. S: To dissolve, sir. To thin out. Like washing ink until the forgery disappears. G: Good. Not merely “refute,” but “dissolve.” It implies the paralogism has a kind of apparent solidity that must be loosened. S: Paralogismus, sir. That’s just a fallacy, isn’t it? G: Not quite “just.” Paralogism is the kind of fallacy that can look like an argument. It is a wrong logos that imitates logos. Sophism is often taken as a deliberate deception; paralogism can be honest or dishonest, but either way it is reasoning gone sideways. S: Yet Tomitano uses the plural again. Paralogismorum. G: Because there are many ways to go wrong. Now, per divisionem. S: By division, sir. As if the cure for bad inference is to slice it into parts and see what falls out. G: Exactly. You divide the ambiguous, you separate the conflated, you distinguish the senses. Division is the Renaissance humanist’s favourite scalpel. S: Praeter illa quae Aristoteles habuit in Elenchis. G: He says: besides those things Aristotle already had in the Elenchi. Meaning: I add something. S: Or: I pretend to add something. G: In 1544, you must pretend with confidence. Now continue. S: Quam methodum ex dialogis Platonis et ex Aristotele nuper invenit. G: That line is deliciously cheeky. S: Nuper invenit. Recently discovered, sir. As if Plato has been lying around unconsulted. G: Or as if Tomitano has only just noticed Plato is useful to an Aristotelian project. S: Ex dialogis Platonis. So he throws dialogue into a treatise on refutation. G: Precisely. He is saying: the method is not merely in Aristotle’s technical list. It is in Plato’s dramatic practice of exposing confusions. S: So Tomitano wants to teach sophistical refutation by combining Aristotle’s taxonomy with Plato’s theatre. G: That is the civilising move. Aristotle supplies the species; Plato supplies the phenomenology. S: And then he boasts: and also from Aristotle. G: Because you cannot sell a logic manual in Venice by sounding too Platonic. S: Next line? G: Go on. S: Adiecta sunt famigerata veterum sophismatum exempla: ad exercitationem adolescentum. G: Famigerata. S: “Infamous,” sir. With a whiff of scandal. The sophisms have reputations. G: Exactly. They are so well-known they have become teaching tools. S: Veterum. G: Old. Ancient. Classical. But also: time-tested ways to embarrass students. S: Sophismatum, plural again. G: Of course. One sophism would be a curiosity; plural sophisms is a curriculum. S: Exempla. G: Examples are the true currency of instruction. A “method” without exempla is a sermon. S: And then: ad exercitationem adolescentum. G: Now tell me what that means without translating it. S: It declares the audience. It says: this is practice work, sir. Drill. Training. Not metaphysics, not wisdom, but gymnasium for the mind. G: Yes. And it tells you the genre: intro plus method plus examples equals a textbook. S: Sir, can I ask the obvious question? G: You will. Name at least two paralogisms. S: Two paralogisms. Equivocation, and amphiboly. G: Good. Equivocation is one word, two senses, and you pretend it stayed one. Amphiboly is one syntax, two structures, and you pretend it stayed one. S: And you said to name at least two. I did. G: Now, name two sophisms. S: Two sophisms. “Have you stopped beating your father?” and “What you have not lost you have; you have not lost horns; therefore you have horns.” G: Excellent. Both famous, both old, both designed for adolescent humiliation. S: So these are veterum. G: Yes. Now name one new. S: One new sophism? G: One new sophism. Something Tomitano might have seen in Padua, or Venice, or among professors who loved to win. S: “All professors are men; you are a man; therefore you are a professor.” G: That is not a sophism, that is flattery. S: It is a paralogism, sir. G: It is a paralogism with social ambition. Very well, keep it. Another. S: “If you can refute sophists, you are not a sophist; you can refute sophists; therefore you are not a sophist.” G: That is closer. It plays on a hidden premise: that only non-sophists refute sophists. In practice, sophists refute each other for a living. S: Then the new sophism is: professional jealousy. G: Quite. Now, you asked earlier why elenchi plural. Now tell me why sophisticos is plural in sense even if singular in grammar. S: Because it covers many kinds of sophistical refutation. Not one species. G: And because Aristotle’s project is not “the” sophist but the field of deceptive argument. S: Then why paralogismorum plural? Because error is plentiful. G: More plentiful than truth, according to the philosopher you were just quoting by accident. S: Aristotle? G: Yes. But Tomitano’s line about vices being innumerable is from another context, but the thought fits: error has many modes; a method must be flexible. S: So division is the tool because it reduces multiplicity by separating cases. G: Exactly. Division is not only a logical technique; it is a pedagogical one. It teaches the student to ask: which sense are we in. S: Sir, can we do the elenchos thing properly. What does Aristotle mean by “elenchos” in the technical sense? G: In the strict sense, elenchos is a refutation that forces a contradiction from an opponent’s own commitments, under agreed rules of inference and relevance to the question at issue. S: So an elenchos is not just any counterexample. G: No. It is a form of defeat by self-entanglement. S: So the sophist tries to produce apparent entanglement where there is none. G: Or tries to make you accept a commitment you did not see you accepted. S: Which is why examples are “famigerata.” They have trapped generations. G: And why they are useful. A textbook is a controlled trap. S: That is not reassuring. G: It is education. Now, two more: why does Tomitano say “praeter illa quae Aristoteles habuit”? S: To mark novelty, sir. To say: I am not merely copying. G: And to excuse his own additions as respectful supplementation rather than rivalry. S: And nuper invenit is the same posture: I have discovered, not invented. G: Exactly. Renaissance modesty is often invention wearing a mask. S: The Plato bit still bothers me. G: It should. It is the interesting part. He is saying: Plato’s dialogues contain methods of dissolving paralogisms by division. Socrates does it by forcing distinctions: in words like “just,” “good,” “courage,” “knowledge.” S: So he wants to teach sophistic refutations not only as formal patterns, but as conceptual hygiene. G: Yes. And that is why an Introductio can be philosophical even when it is technical. It is training in how to keep language from lying on your behalf. S: Sir, you sound as if you approve. G: I approve of any author who tells the adolescent what the adult still needs: do not be fooled by form. S: And yet he calls it brevis. G: Because the adolescent must be kept hopeful. Now, let us do the number game you like. “How many elenchi are there.” S: How many elenchi, sir. In Aristotle’s treatise? G: If you mean how many kinds of fallacy he catalogues, he distinguishes fallacies in dictione and extra dictionem, and then breaks them down. S: So the plural is justified: it is a catalogue, not a single trick. G: Exactly. Now name two in dictione. S: Equivocation and amphiboly. G: Good. Now name two extra dictionem. S: Accident and secundum quid. G: Very good. That is adolescent drill. Now, why ad exercitationem adolescentum is a warning. S: Because it implies: you will be exercised. Which means: you will be made tired and then made better. G: Or made tired and then told you are better. Now, you made a joke earlier about your epitaph. Here is the real joke. Tomitano wrote this for adolescents, and you are reading it in 1939, and we are still adolescents. S: In logic, yes. G: In life, also. S: Sir, can I ask about “diluere.” Why not “solvere” or “refellere.” G: Because refellere is combative. Diluere suggests the error is a thickening that can be thinned, a confusion that can be loosened. S: So it’s more like therapy than war. G: Exactly. The sophist wants you to fight; the logician wants you to clarify. S: Yet Aristotle is fairly warlike. G: Aristotle is warlike in taxonomy. Plato is warlike in drama. Tomitano wants both: the list and the scene. S: Then his title page itself is doing the lesson. It uses big plural nouns to warn you: there are many traps. G: And it uses brevis to prevent you from fleeing. S: Sir, last question. If you had to invent one new sophism for 1939, what would it be. G: Easy. “Everything that can be printed must be true; this is printed; therefore it is true.” S: That is not new, sir. G: It is merely newly weaponised.Grice: Caro Tomitano, lasciami confidarti una cosa: se mai avessi provato a tenere un tutorial sui “precetti della conversazione civile” nella mia università di Vadum Boum, non sarebbe venuto nessuno! I miei studenti sono convinti che “barbaro” sia un complimento, e le buone maniere le lasciano agli archeologi... Altro che la cara, antica Alma Mater della nostra tradizione, vero? Tomitano: Ah Grice, non sai quanto ti capisco! Qui a Padova se provi a parlare di precetti, ti guardano come se avessi proposto una dieta senza risotto. Ma per me il “precetto” è un po’ come il semaforo della conversazione: se non ci fosse, tutti andrebbero in senso contrario e ci ritroveremmo a filosofare sulle rovine... e magari senza nemmeno un buon caffè! Grice: Splendida immagine! Quindi il precetto non è solo ordine, ma anche eleganza: come dire, in conversazione ci vuole almeno un po’ di stile, se no si finisce per parlare tutti insieme come in una fiera di paese. O da me, in aula, dove l’unico “precetto” che rispettano è quello dell’ora di pranzo. Tomitano: Sante parole, Grice! Il precetto, in fondo, è quell’invito gentile – non troppo severo, eh! – che permette alla civiltà di non naufragare nella confusione. È come dire: “Parla pure, ma ricordati che non sei solo al mondo!” Così, persino il più barbaro degli studenti può imparare che una buona conversazione vale più di mille esami... e magari si guadagna pure una stretta di mano! Tomitano, Bernardino (1544). Introductio ad Sophisticos elenchos Aristotelis. Eiusdem breuis methodus diluendorum paralogismorum per diuisionem: praeter illa quae Aristoteles habuit in Elenchis. Quam methodum ex dialogis Platonis et ex Aristotele nuper inuenit. Adiecta sunt famigerata veterum sophismatum exempla: ad exercitationem adolescentum. Venezia: per Bartholomeum cognomento Imperatorem, et Franciscum eius generum.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Toritto – Ossia: Grice e Toritto: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale contro il lizio. Note su Introduzione alla lettura di Caloprese sopra la concione di Marfisa a Carlo Magno. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Nicola Caravita dei duchi di Toritto (Napoli, Campania): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale contro il lizio – A comparison between H. P. Grice and Nicola Caravita dei duchi di Toritto highlights two allied but culturally distinct modes of resisting rigid rational sequencing in favor of a more humane, reason‑governed conversational order. Grice’s theory of conversational meaning rejects linear inferential “lizio” understood as strict Aristotelian procession from premises to conclusion, replacing it with a rational but flexible model in which meaning emerges through implicature, responsiveness, and shared assumptions among interlocutors. Caravita, formed in the Neapolitan milieu of anti‑baroque clarity and early modern political philosophy, advances a parallel resistance within legal, political, and literary thought: against scholastic Aristotelianism and Thomist hierarchy, he favors a conception of sovereignty, law, and constitution as analogical and context‑sensitive rather than deductively ordered. Where Grice frames conversational rationality as cooperative intelligence that tolerates wit, deviation, and pragmatic play while remaining accountable to reason, Caravita embodies a Southern Italian skepticism toward doctrinal lizio, preferring a conversational reason that moves obliquely through rhetoric, judgment, and civic sensibility. Both figures thus converge on a shared insight: rationality is not compromised by conversational looseness or humor, but is instead realized more fully when reason governs without marching in lockstep. For Grice this yields implicature as a calculable yet non‑mechanical phenomenon; for Caravita it yields a philosophy of law, politics, and criticism that privileges living discourse over syllogistic rigidity, making reason conversational rather than procedural. Grice italico Lizio. Costituzione come concetto analogo Joachim. Soveranita. Filosofo napoletano. Filosofo campanese. Filosofo italiano. Napoli, Campania. Grice: I like Caravita; Locke  Englands, and Oxfords, greatest philosopher, had his sponsor, and so does Italys  not Bolognas  Vico, and he was Caravita!. Nacque nella parrocchia dei Vergini da Giuseppe e da Margherita Boiano. La famiglia, originaria della Spagna, apparteneva alla nobilt. Seguendo le tradizioni giuridiche della famiglia, T. simmatricol in Napoli, laureandosi in giurisprudenza con dispensa dall'et legale, e attese all'attivit forense. Studia anche letteratura, greco, matematica, filosofia, specialmente CARTESIO  cf. Grice, Descartes on clear and distinct perception. Cornelio ne loda la dottrina in un dialogo inedito, ma, anche per dichiarazione di un altro contemporaneo che gli dedica un sonetto, Giannelli, non aveva raggiunto alcuna magistratura pubblica -- cfr. Giannelli, Poesie, Napoli. Seguace nelle lettere dell'indirizzo anti-barocchista e neo-petrarchista T. scrive l'introduzione alla Lettura sopra la concione di Marfisa a Carlo Magno di Calopreso -- Napoli --, opera tra le maggiori di critica letteraria napoletana e fonte per le dottrine estetiche del VICO . Nello stesso anno, in occasione di un'epidemia di peste,  uno dei due giudici speciali eletti dalla deputazione della Salute, con competenza in materia civile in tutto quello che occorrer concernente all'affare del contaggio. Per incarico ricevuto dalla "piazza" di Porto, espresse con altri tre giuristi, tra i quali Fusco e il cronista Confuorto, un parere su una richiesta di reintegrazione in quel "seggio".  tra i promotori della rappresentazione a Posillipo de La rosa di Giulio Cesare Cortese. impiegatura da salotto, diritto, anti-popism  il laico --, anti-aristotele, contro Aristotele, concetto assolutista di sovereignty contro Aquino, quartiere dei Vergini  Capua.  Grice: Caro Toritto, devo confessare che tra i filosofi di Oxford il “lizio” aristotelico è sempre stato un argomento da salotto, persino più discusso del vino dei Castelli! Dimmi, tu che sei noto per la tua vena napoletana, come mai ti sei messo di traverso contro il “lizio”? Voglio sapere se è questione di principio filosofico… o magari solo di gusto!  Toritto: Ah, Grice! Qui a Napoli il “lizio” non lo digeriamo nemmeno col limoncello. Diciamo che Aristotele amava mettere tutto in fila, come se la ragione fosse una processione, ma a noi piace più il Carnevale! Opporsi al “lizio” è quasi una tradizione: preferiamo la conversazione che balla e cambia passo, non quella che marcia in fila indiana.  Grice: Che meraviglia, Toritto! Quindi da voi non è “lizio”, ma “lizzio”, e magari pure “ulizio”, se la festa si scalda. Allora la ragione conversazionale napoletana si ribella alla disciplina aristotelica? Ditemi la verità: avete mai provato a mettere in fila le idee, o finiscono sempre a fare una tarantella?  Toritto: Grice, qui le idee si mettono in fila solo per un caffè al bar, e anche lì qualcuno scavalca! Se la ragione dev’essere “lizia”, allora preferiamo la ragione “campagnese”: libera, vivace, pronta a cambiare abito come diceva Tocco. Aristotele sarà stato un gran maestro, ma noi siamo maestri nell’arte di non prendere tutto troppo sul serio. A Napoli, la filosofia è sempre pronta a ridere… persino del “lizio”! Toritto, Nicola Caravita dei duchi di (1691). Introduzione alla lettura di Caloprese sopra la concione di Marfisa a Carlo Magno. Napoli.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Torlonia – Ossia: Grice e Torlonia: la ragione conversazionale, e l’implicatura conversazionale del natale di Roma. Note sulle Memorie economiche. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Giovanni Raimondo Torlonia (Roma, Lazio): la ragione conversazionale, e l’implicatura conversazionale del natale di Roma – A comparison between H. P. Grice and Giovanni Raimondo Torlonia brings into focus two distinct but convergent ways of understanding reason‑governed conversational meaning through social practice and shared celebration. Grice’s theory treats conversational reason as a rational discipline exercised by speakers who rely on mutual recognition, background knowledge, and implicature to convey more than is explicitly said, often using occasions that are culturally charged to invite shared understanding without heavy assertion. The playful exchange on the Natale di Roma exemplifies this: the significance of Rome is not stated as a thesis, but implicatively sustained through allusion, irony, and companionship, allowing meaning to emerge via common cultural premises rather than formal argument. Torlonia, grounded in Roman civic memory and economic as well as philosophical life, embodies a conversational rationality that is festive, historical, and communal: conversation becomes the medium through which identity, friendship, and continuity are reaffirmed, with reason expressed not as abstraction but as cultivated sociability. Where Grice offers a general account of implicature as calculable by cooperative principles, Torlonia exemplifies a historically situated conversational practice in which shared rituals, such as celebrating Rome’s birthday, do much of the rational work. What unites them is the idea that reason in conversation is not austere but relational, flourishing in friendship, cultural memory, and the tacit understanding that binds speaker and hearer into an amicable sequence of meaning, amicus, philos, alter ego. -- filosofia italiana – Grice italo (Roma). Abstract. Keywords. logically developing series amicus, philos, alter ego. Joachim. Filosofo italiano. Roma. Nacque figlio del francese Marin TOURLONIAS Tourlonias e di Maria Francesca Angela Lanci. Dei numerosi altri figli della coppia si hanno notizie, perché sopravvissero, solo di Giuseppe e delle sorelle Francesca e Teresa.  Il padre, discendente da una modesta famiglia dell’Auvergne (Francia), arriva a Roma a metà al seguito dell’abate e diplomatico Montgon; è poi divenuto cameriere particolare del cardinale Acquaviva. Marin -- il cui nome è stato ITALIANIZZATO italianizzato in Marino T. -- avvia un fiorente commercio di tessuti pregiati. Negli anni successivi, forse grazie a un lascito ricevuto dal cardinale, vi affianca la concessione di prestiti, secondo il percorso di numerosi mercanti-banchieri. T.  riusce a imprimere un deciso salto alla dimensione e all’organizzazione dell’attività creditizia familiare: cede l’esercizio commerciale ed è ammesso al corpo dei banchieri di Roma. Ottenne così il riconoscimento ufficiale della sua attività di banchiere, formalmente avviata con un capitale di 10.000 scudi. Sin dai primi tempi le operazioni hanno un rapido sviluppo, e si intrecciarono a iniziative imprenditoriali, tanto che in soli due anni il capitale della ditta Marino T. si quadruplica. T. mantenne quella ragione sociale per alcuni anni dopo la morte del padre, forse con l’obiettivo di rappresentare la marginale partecipazione del fratello minore Giuseppe, al quale vennero garantite delle co-interessenze sui profitti.  T. costituì, con Giorgi e Lavaggi, una società che ottenne dal governo pontificio l’appalto per lo sfruttamento delle cave di allume sui monti della Tolfa. La produzione era, in quegli anni, ancora altamente remunerativa: l’allume pontificio veniva considerato di ottima qualità ed era destinato prevalentemente all’esportazione verso manifatture tessili e conciarie. il natale di Roma, la filosofia dell’amore di Platone in Fichte e Leopardi.  Grice: Caro Torlonia, sai che persino tra le brume di Vadum Boum – quella strana Oxford dove i buoi passano e la lingua si arrovella – oggi si festeggia il natale di Roma? Incredibile, ma vero: anche lontano dall’ALMA MATER, la grande madre, si brinda alla città eterna... anche se il vino non è proprio dei Castelli! Torlonia: Ma che meraviglia! A questo punto, Grice, Roma dovrebbe inviare una cartolina d’auguri persino agli studenti inglesi. Chissà se, tra una toga e una pinta, si recita pure “Ave Roma!” sul Tamigi. D’altronde, come diceva mia nonna: “Roma caput mundi, pure se il mondo è in vacanza altrove!” Grice: In effetti, caro mio, tra le logiche implicature di Vadum Boum, il compleanno di Roma diventa l’occasione perfetta per filosofare su Platone, Fichte e pure Leopardi... ma soprattutto per scoprire che l’amicizia – come diceva Platone – è un “alter ego”. E se manca il vino, basta una buona battuta! Torlonia: Grice, ti dirò: qui a Roma festeggiamo con una cena da banchieri, mentre voi in Oxford filosofate sulle implicature e magari sul “amicus, philos, alter ego”. Alla fine, che sia tra le cave di allume o tra le “cave” della grammatica, basta divertirsi – e ricordarsi che la ragione conversazionale è sempre più allegra quando si brinda insieme, anche se in lingue diverse! Torlonia, Giovanni Raimondo (1805). Memorie economiche, Roma: Pagliarini.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Torre – Ossia: Grice e Torre: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della stravaganza. Note su De origine et progressu philosophiae. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Giacomo della Torre (Forlì): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della stravaganza – A comparison between Grice and Giacomo della Torre brings out a shared commitment to reason as the regulator of meaning, while highlighting different attitudes toward conceptual adventurousness. Grice’s theory of conversational meaning treats rationality as a discipline exercised within interaction: speakers are presumed to be cooperative and reasonable, and implicature arises when they deliberately allow what is meant to stray beyond what is strictly said, but in a way that remains recoverable by shared reasoning. Della Torre, by contrast, belongs to a late‑medieval tradition in which philosophy openly licenses stravaganza, the willingness to go extra‑vagans, beyond the well‑trodden path, in order to test the limits of Aristotelian natural and moral philosophy. For Torre, teaching at Bologna and reflecting on soul and body, philosophical progress often requires sanctioned deviation, a temporary wandering that nonetheless presupposes a return to rational order. Read together, Torre’s stravaganza and Grice’s implicature illuminate two sides of the same phenomenon: reason does not exclude deviation but governs it. In Grice, conversational estrangement from the literal is controlled by calculability and mutual recognition; in Torre, conceptual wandering is controlled by an inherited Aristotelian framework and scholastic discipline. What unites them is the idea that intelligibility depends neither on rigid literalism nor on free wit alone, but on a reasoned balance between rule and departure, a balance that allows meaning to emerge precisely when language dares to go slightly beyond itself."From Grice’s diary: ‘Speranza has always advised me to keep my eye — actually both of them — on Bononia, as he did when he studied me, with both his eyes stuck with Boum Vadum (as Speranza calls Oxford — an expression that never ceases to amuse him: “You mean that you studied on the ford that the oxen trespass?”). So this Torre (Speranza drops all “della” before surnames) is Bononia-associated, and I had to find out when he was first associated with that prestigious varsity which by far predates our dear Boum Vadum — and I did.’" For Giacomo della Torre (Jacopo da Forlì; also Giacomo dalla Torre; Latinized as Iacobus a Turre / Iacobus Foroliviensis), the cleanest dated Bononia association I can substantiate from online reference sources is that, in the university records/biographical syntheses, he is attested “lettore di filosofia a Bologna” in the years 1383–1385 (Treccani, Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani entry “DELLA TORRE, Giacomo,” explicitly: “Tra il 1383 e il 1385 risulta come lettore di filosofia a Bologna”). A second, more specific formulation (Arca del Santo, biographical note on DELLA TORRE GIACOMO) narrows his Bolognese teaching to 1392–1393 and specifies the chair as philosophy natural and moral (“Tra 1392 e 1393, a Bologna, ricoprì la cattedra di filosofia naturale e morale”), which suggests either (i) two separate Bolognese periods preserved differently across repertories, (ii) a correction/alternative reconstruction, or (iii) conflation with an overlapping appointment cycle; but in any case it confirms official teaching duties at Bologna with explicit dates. If your project wants a single “first official association” date, the earliest safely citable one is 1383 as lector of philosophy at Bologna (with the span 1383–1385), while you can optionally note the later, chair-specified Bolognese stint 1392–1393 as an additional (and more descriptively precise) Bononia appointment. Sources used: Treccani (DBI) “DELLA TORRE, Giacomo”; Arca del Santo “DELLA TORRE GIACOMO” (Universitas Artistarum biography page). scuola di Forlì – la scuola di Bologna -- filosofia romagnese -- stravaganza, lizio. Filosofo emiliano. Filosofo italiano. Forli, Forli-Cesena, Emilia-Romagna. Grice: “I like Torre; his epitaph reads, ‘nuovo Aristotele,’ which is what it was! – “Ackrill’s just reads, ‘Aristotelian’!” There is a nice ‘via’ in Forlì after him that leads to the varsity! He was a Galen, and philosophised on both the soul and the body!” DELLA TORRE, Giacomo -- Iacobus a Turre, de la Turre, Dalla Torre, de Forlivio, Forliviensis, Foroliviensis, Ferolivias. Nacque da Pietro, "artium doctor", di nobile famiglia, e Tisia, figlia di Pietro degl’Azzoli, nobile forlivese. La famiglia paterna, a Forlì da parecchie generazioni, discende da Andrea, padre di Giovanni, nonno di T. Oltre a lui, il padre ha altri due figli, Guido e Andrea. T. compì gli studi di arti a Padova, dove ha come maestri Colonna  e Avogari  -- così afferma Marchesi, ma Colle lo mette in dubbio. I biografi non concordano sul curriculum d'insegnamento, diviso tra Padova, BOLOGNA e altre città. Risulta come lettore di filosofia a BOLOGNA, ma già negli anni precedenti dove iniziare il suo insegnamento a Padova, dove comunque torna su invito dei Carraresi, che per dar lustro allo studio vi chiamarono molti professori di fama. In effetti viene citato come "lector in studio Paduano" ed è promotore dei dottorati di parecchi allievi, tra cui San Severo , Manfredini  e Tommaso da Recanati , per supplire eventuali assenze dei professori. Risulta come docente di arti a Ferrara, insieme con Marco da Forlì, ma, se non si tratta di un omonimo, si potrebbe trattare di presenze saltuarie, dato che in quegli stessi anni è ricordato sia a Padova sia a BOLOGNA.  Nella città veneta la sua presenza è testimoniata da una lite con il collega Squarcialupi e dai dottorati di parecchi allievi, come Albertini, Nogarelli, Pera e Tomasi. Giacomo della Torre. Torre. stravaganza, lizio.  G.: Let us begin, if you please, with the thing itself and not with any elegant paraphrase of it. We have at least two catalogue forms, and they differ just enough to annoy a careful man. S.: Which is to say, to delight you. G.: The longer form first: Quaestio utrum intensio formae fiat per additionem partis formalis ad partem formalem utroque remanente. S.: And the shorter? G.: Queritur utrum intensio forme fiat per additionem partis formalis ad partes formales. S.: So already we have quaestio and queritur; formae and forme; partem formalem and partes formales; and then the splendid tail, utroque remanente, which the shorter one lacks. G.: Precisely. And before you rush to ask for the answer, I want to savour the asking. S.: You always do. Della Torre, meanwhile, is left in Bologna waiting for his own determinatio. G.: Bologna can wait. It predates Boum Vadum by enough centuries to permit itself patience. S.: I still want the answer. G.: We may not have it. S.: You see, that is exactly the sort of thing that makes students wish to defect to medicine. G.: A pity, since in Giacomo della Torre medicine and philosophy are already married. That is half the point. He is a man of arts and medicine, Bologna and Padua, Aristotle and Galen, soul and body, quality and quantity. S.: And stravaganza. G.: Yes, and that too. A fine word, stravaganza. It wanders but not at random. One wanders under rule. S.: Like implicature. G.: Very good. Deviation governed by recoverability. That is why Giacomo matters. Not because he gives us a modern semantics, but because he stands exactly where form, degree, and intelligibility begin to interpenetrate. S.: Still, the title says De intensione et remissione formarum, and the incipit does not say remissione at all. G.: That is the first thing to notice. The title is archival. It tells the librarian what sort of beast is in the cage. The incipit tells the philosopher where the teeth are. S.: So the title says increase and decrease of forms; the incipit says, right, but how exactly does increase happen. G.: Exactly. It does not begin by announcing the pair, intensio and remissio, as if it were drafting a textbook table. It begins with a mechanism: whether the intensification of a form happens by the addition of one formal part to another formal part, both remaining. S.: And that “both remaining” is the little snake in the grass. G.: Not so little. It is the whole metaphysical pressure-point compressed into an ablative absolute. S.: Utroque remanente. I do like it. It sounds so self-assured. As if one merely adds one formal part to another and both politely remain where they are. G.: Yes. It sounds, to a modern ear, almost comic. But one must resist the temptation to modernise too quickly. S.: I am tempted all the same. If I break eggs for an omelette, the eggs do not remain. If I add five to seven, the five and the seven do not remain as such in the twelve. Kant would be furious. G.: Kant would be grammatical before he was furious. His point about seven and five and twelve is epistemological, not quite the same as Giacomo’s point, which is ontological. Still, the analogy is instructive because it tells you why the scholastic model feels odd. We are being asked whether a qualitative increase is additive and preservative. S.: Which already sounds Strawsonian. The question is respectable; the answer may be no; the no may be external or internal. G.: Just so. One may say, It is not the case that intensification occurs by addition of formal part to formal part, both remaining. Or one may say, My dear fellow, that is the wrong way to set the problem up in the first place. S.: The latter is the more satisfying no. G.: Satisfying, yes. But scholasticism does not live by satisfaction. It lives by exactness of pressure. S.: Let us have the Latin phrase by phrase, then. You enjoyed it the first time; indulge yourself again. G.: Quaestio. A question. Not a thesis, not yet an assertion, but a formally opened problem. Utrum. Whether. This already suspends commitment. Intensio formae. The intensification of a form. Not “intensity” in the modern loose sense, but increase in degree of a form. Fiat. Comes about, happens, is effected. Per additionem. Through the addition. Partis formalis. Of a formal part. Ad partem formalem. To a formal part. Utroque remanente. With both remaining. S.: You say that as if it were all perfectly sane. G.: Perfect sanity is not the same as immediate familiarity. The point is that the sentence is not woolly. It is brutally exact. It asks whether becoming more F is to be understood as adding a formal constituent to another formal constituent while both persist. S.: And one hears at once the Gricean temptation to ask what is presupposed. There must already be a common form. There must already be a scale. There must already be a distinction between the subject and its degree. G.: Exactly. The sentence is thick with presuppositions. It presupposes that one and the same form admits of magis and minus. It presupposes that one may talk of pars formalis without absurdity. It presupposes that “remaining” is not a merely material notion. We are not talking about chairs and eggs. S.: Or healthy urine and less healthy urine. G.: Ah yes, your urine. Aristotle would have approved the diagnostic instinct, if not the colour scheme. Health is useful because it is both a quality and a norm. Something may become healthier or less healthy. The question is whether that becoming more healthy is a matter of preserving a lower degree while adding another. S.: And my instinct says no. Yellow urine becomes brown urine. The yellow does not remain there, lurking decorously behind the brown. G.: Good. That instinct is philosophically valuable. But the scholastic will reply that you are still trapped in phenomenology of states rather than ontology of degrees. He is not talking of yellow and brown as two blobs. He is talking of one form becoming more or less intense. S.: Which is precisely where Grice would prick up his ears. The same form, but more so. Or less so. The same F, yet not quite the same state. G.: Wiggins too. Sameness and substance. Persistence through variation. The identity of a subject under qualitative change. Giacomo’s little incipit is a magnificent seed crystal for such concerns. S.: Better than the title. G.: Much better than the title. The title is a shelf-mark. The incipit is philosophy. S.: And yet, annoyingly, the title gives us remissione too, whereas the incipit begins only with intensio. G.: That is because the opening problem is naturally the positive side. Once you know how increase is to be construed, decrease becomes either the reverse operation or the collapse of that operation. One begins with the more constructive case. S.: So remission is the poor cousin. G.: Temporarily. In the title it regains civil equality. In the opening argument it waits its turn. S.: Very Bologna. G.: Entirely. The city of ordered quarrels. S.: Let us go back to the variant forms. Quaestio versus queritur. Does it matter? G.: Slightly. Quaestio is nominal and architectural. Queritur is verbal and disputational. The first presents a structured object. The second already sounds like the schoolman leaning forward: it is asked whether… S.: And formae versus forme? G.: Scribal indifference, not metaphysical divergence. S.: Partem formalem versus partes formales? G.: That is more interesting. Ad partem formalem gives you one formal part added to another formal part. Ad partes formales sounds more distributive or cumulative, as if the target were already plural. I would trust the more balanced singular formulation if forced to choose. S.: Because it is neater. G.: Because it is philosophically more pointed. One formal part to one formal part, both remaining. That gives you the pure metaphysical oddity in its finest compression. S.: And intentio versus intensio? G.: Intensio is the conceptually proper reading. Intentio is almost certainly a cataloguing or manuscript corruption. If this tract is on increase and decrease of forms, intensio must be what is meant. S.: We are already doing philosophy of language. A single letter and the entire topic changes. G.: Yes, and Giacomo would have appreciated that. Bologna is not only a place of metaphysical distinctions; it is a place where textual exactness is a condition of argument. S.: You are making him sound like a better Oxford man than many Oxford men. G.: Why not. Bononia predates Boum Vadum, and not merely in masonry. It had already taught Europe that thought requires chairs, lecterns, and argumentative patience. S.: Della Torre as elder brother to Grice. G.: Not brother. Ancestor of a difficulty. Grice’s categories of conversation, after all, are Kantian in scaffold but Aristotelian in smell. Quantity, quality, relation, manner. And Giacomo stands at a point where quantity and quality refuse to stay in separate stalls. S.: Which is the bit that interests me most. If a quality may be more or less, then quantity has invaded quality. G.: Or quality has admitted comparative grammar into its own house. That is the medieval wonder and nuisance. Intensio et remissio are where quality begins to look measurable. S.: And where morphosyntax begins to wobble. More healthy, less white, rather hot, very hot, healthier than, less healthy than. Comparative predication is already doing metaphysics before we notice. G.: Just so. Grammar is never innocent. Once you allow more and less into a quality term, you invite the question whether the predicate names a scalar property, a disposition, a norm, or some mixture of all three. S.: Which is where the healthy urine comes back with a vengeance. G.: Unfortunately, yes. S.: Suppose one says: the urine is healthier now. One has smuggled in comparison, diagnosis, norm, and bodily state. That is already four little philosophers in one sentence. G.: Exactly. And a medieval physician-philosopher like Giacomo is exquisitely placed to enjoy the confusion. He has Hippocrates, Galen, Avicenna, Aristotle, and the Categories all within reach. S.: And Bologna behind him, nodding. G.: And perhaps Padua glancing over its shoulder. S.: You still have not given me the answer. G.: We do not have his determinatio. S.: I know, but that is intolerable. G.: No, it is philosophy. Or at least a very good part of it. We do not have the answer, but we have the exact formulation of the pressure. That matters more than many fully preserved answers. S.: You mean the question keeps the matter alive. G.: Precisely. A dead philosophy is one that can only repeat its old answers. A living philosophy is one that can still formulate its difficulties in a way that makes later minds wince. S.: So Giacomo stays alive because his incipit still bites. G.: Yes. The incipit is a bite-mark across six centuries. It asks, in one scholastic sentence, how sameness survives increase. It asks whether change is additive or substitutive. It asks whether degrees are parts. It asks what “remaining” could mean for a form. It asks whether quality can be treated quasi-quantitatively without ceasing to be quality. S.: And all that before breakfast. G.: In Bologna, certainly before breakfast. S.: In Oxford, after tea. G.: With less good Latin. S.: Let us compare, then, title and incipit explicitly. G.: The title: De intensione et remissione formarum. Broad, balanced, archival, neutral. The incipit: Quaestio utrum intensio formae fiat per additionem partis formalis ad partem formalem utroque remanente. Narrow, asymmetrical, argumentative, metabolically alive. S.: The title says what shelf it goes on. The incipit says where thought begins to hurt. G.: Very good. You are almost useful. S.: I do my best. G.: Notice too the movement from abstract noun to process. The title gives you intensio and remissio as paired nominal themes. The incipit immediately turns one of them into fiat, into an occurrence. How does it happen. S.: That is nicely Gricean too. One is less interested in labels than in the conditions under which something is properly said to occur. G.: Indeed. The sentence asks for criteria of occurrence. Under what description is intensification correctly identified. S.: Not unlike asking when one may say someone has implicated rather than said. G.: Exactly. The relation is not one of doctrine but of temperament. Both are interested in the fine articulation of phenomena that ordinary language half-registers and half-confuses. S.: You are trying to make Giacomo sound like a medieval Strawson. G.: Only in the sense that he takes ordinary comparative predication seriously enough to ask what must be true for it not to be mere babble. S.: And perhaps to risk that some of it is mere babble after all. G.: Or badly framed doctrine. That is where the Strawsonian internal negation comes in. Not just no, but no, no, that is not how one should ask it. S.: Still, I can imagine the scholastic structure. Objections for addition. Objections against. Sed contra. Determinatio. Replies ad primum, ad secundum. G.: Certainly. And somewhere in the middle, one can imagine the patient disentangling of additive, substitutive, and perhaps some third model. Neither simple replacement nor literal piling up of formal bricks. S.: A middle way. G.: Bologna likes middle ways almost as much as Oxford likes distinctions. S.: Let us try examples. Heat. G.: A standard one. A body becomes hotter. Does the earlier heat remain while another degree is added. S.: Whiteness. G.: Also standard. A cloth becomes whiter. S.: Health. G.: Best of all, because it is both physiological and normative. S.: Virtue. G.: Dangerous, but useful. One may become more virtuous, and then all the same questions arise in an evaluative register. S.: So the doctrine extends from the natural to the moral. G.: And that is one reason it is philosophically fertile. Once quality becomes gradable, the bridge between physics, medicine, ethics, and language becomes alarmingly short. S.: Which is why Grice, with his mania for categories and his suspicion of careless language, would have liked it. G.: Yes. He would have enjoyed especially the instability between quality and quantity. A quality quantified but not reduced to quantity. A category strained by comparative use but not dissolved by it. S.: And Wiggins would have asked what remains the same. G.: And Strawson would have asked whether the whole picture is descriptively appropriate. S.: And Austin would have asked how we actually talk. G.: And Kant would have wandered in and asked whether synthesis is being confused with analysis. S.: While Aristotle would sit there with health and disease and be mocked by Grice for his devotion to bodily examples. G.: Exactly. It is a splendid party. S.: All organised by Giacomo della Torre in Bologna long before Oxford had learned to make tea properly. G.: Precisely. And that is why he matters. Not because he solves our problem in front of us—we still lack the explicit determination—but because he frames a problem with enough precision that later philosophy can recognise itself in it. S.: So the punchline is that we still do not know his answer. G.: Yes. S.: And that this is not failure. G.: No, it is the best success of the incipit. It has survived as a question sharp enough to generate thought even in the absence of its own conclusion. S.: Which sounds suspiciously like something you would say when you have not done the homework. G.: My dear boy, in philosophy the deepest homework is often preserving the exact form of the question until someone is capable of answering it less badly. S.: So Della Torre lives. G.: Yes. He lives wherever someone still asks, with proper fastidiousness, whether a form becomes more by addition of formal part to formal part, both remaining. S.: And whether that very question is already too much. G.: Quite. Philosophy stays alive not by always having answers, but by learning to ask better and more dangerous questions than the generation before. S.: Bologna 1, Boum Vadum 0. G.: For today, yes.Grice: Caro Torre, oggi mi sento “implicante”. Ti va un po’ di gioco linguistico? Immagina: se “implicanza” fosse la sorella di “stravaganza”, quale delle due sarebbe la più stravagante a una festa di filosofi? Torre: Ah, Grice, domanda degna di un vero Aristotele in vena di scherzi! “Stravagante”, in effetti, ha un pedigree di tutto rispetto: viene da ‘extra-vagans’, ossia chi va “oltre il pascolo”, fuori dai sentieri battuti. Lo diceva già Cicerone, parlando di chi si avventura fuori dal solco della ragione! Quindi, tra le due, “stravaganza” non solo porta il cappello più bizzarro, ma balla pure fuori dal cerchio! Grice: Allora, se io implico qualcosa, mi sto comportando da filosofo “stravagante” o “implicante”? Oppure, come direbbe Cicerone, rischio solo di perdermi tra i boschi senza trovare la via di Forlì? Torre: Ma figurati, Grice! Qui a Forlì diciamo: “Chi non vaga, non trova le implicanze più gustose!” L’importante è che tu sia stravagante abbastanza da implicare una battuta brillante. E poi, si sa, la vera filosofia nasce quando si va “extra-vagans”... ma sempre con un occhio al ritorno, come insegnava Cicerone, per non finire a filosofare in mezzo alle pecore! Torre, Giacomo della (1382). Dissertazione. Quaestio utrum intensio formae fiat per additionem partis formalis ad partem formalem utroque remanente. Bologna.