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Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Coc

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Coccio – Ossia: Grice e Coccio -- Grex giceiana – verbalia: Coccio. The Cocceii are a family at ancient Rome. The gens is first mentioned towards the latter end of the Republic, and is best known as the family to which the emperor Nerva belonged. According to Syme, the Cocceii came from Umbria. The Cocceii used the praenomina Marcus, Lucius, Sextus, and Gaius, of which Marcus was favored by the Cocceii Nervae. The only family of the Cocceii known under the late Republic bore the cognomen Nerva. A number of personal cognomina were borne by other members of the gens, including Auctus, Balbus, Genialis, Justus, Nepos, Nigrinus, Proculus, Rufinus, and Verus. Lucius Cocceius Nerva, brought about the reconciliation of Marcus Antonius and Octavianus; possibly the same person as Marcus Cocceius Nerva, consul in 36 B.C.[4] Marcus C. Nerva, consul in 36 B.C. Marcus C. (M. f.) Nerva, a friend of Tiberius, learned in the law, on which he wrote several books, now lost. He was the grandfather of the emperor Nerva. Marcus C. M. f. (M. n.) Nerva, otherwise known as Nerva filius, son of the jurist, in whose footsteps he followed, and father of the emperor. Marcus Cocceius M. f. M. n. Nerva, emperor from A.D. 96 to 98. Cocceia, the emperor's sister, married Lucius Salvius Otho Titianus. Others Lucius Cocceius Auctus, a prominent architect in the time of Augustus. Gaius Cocceius Balbus, consul suffectus in 39 BC.[3] C. Caesianus.[3] Marcus Cocceius Genialis.[3] Cocceius Julianus Synesius.[3] Cocceius Justus.[3] Cocceius Minicianus.[3] Marcus Cocceius M. f. Nepos.[3] Marcus Cocceius Nigrinus.[3] Cocceius Proculus.[3] Cocceius Rufinus.[3] Cocceius Vennianus.[3] Cocceius Verus.[3] Sextus Cocceius Severianus Honorinus, consul suffectus in AD 147. Sextus Cocceius Vibianus. Marcus Cocceius Anicius Faustus Flavianus, consul suffectus around AD 250. Sextus Cocceius Anicius Faustus Paulinus, consul suffectus around AD 260. Marcus Cocceius Sex. f. Anicius Faustus Flavianus.[3] See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Syme, Ronald, The Roman Revolution (1939), pg. 200  Realencyclopädie der Classischen Altertumswissenschaft.  Appianus, Bellum Civile, v. 60, ff.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Categories: Roman gentesRoman gentes of Umbrian originCocceii FOr this gens, the emperor. Why was he emperor for only two years? Claims to throne? Reason of ending of 'reign'? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Coccio – Ossia: Grice e Coccio -- Grex giceiana – verbalia: Coccio. -- For the Cocceii, the obvious figure is the emperor Marcus Cocceius Nerva. Why only two years (AD 96–98)? How did he become emperor? Nerva became emperor immediately after the assassination of Domitian on 18 September AD 96. He was declared emperor by the Senate after a long public career under Nero and the Flavians. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com] So his claim was not primarily dynastic ("I am the son of the previous emperor"), but political and senatorial. He was an elderly, respected statesman acceptable to the Senate after Domitian's death. [britannica.com], [worldhistory.org] Why was his reign so short? The simple answer is:  He died.  Nerva reigned from September 96 to January 98 and died of natural causes in January 98. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com], [bakuzan.github.io] There is no need to invent a deposition, assassination, or civil war at the end of his reign. The end of his reign was his death. [en.wikipedia.org], [bakuzan.github.io] But there was a succession problem His brief reign was troubled by difficulties with the army and a revolt of the Praetorian Guard. His authority over the military was not secure. In AD 97 he adopted the popular general Trajan as his heir. [en.wikipedia.org], [simple.wikipedia.org], [bakuzan.github.io] That adoption is often regarded as the key act of his reign, because it enabled a peaceful succession when Nerva died. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com] A Speranzian vignette FILIVS  Cur tam breve imperium habuisti? "Why did you have such a short reign?"  NERVA  Quia tam brevem vitam reliquam habui. "Because I had so little life remaining."  FILIVS  Nonne diutius regnare volebant senatores? "Did not the senators want you to reign longer?"  NERVA  Forte volebant. "Perhaps they did."  FILIVS  Quid igitur maxime fecisti? "What then was your greatest achievement?"  NERVA  Successorem elegi. "I chose a successor."  The Gricean implication being:  +> that the success of a ruler is not measured solely by the length of his reign, but by whether the transition after him is secure.  Indeed, ancient and modern accounts alike often treat Nerva's adoption of Trajan as the decisive reason his short reign mattered. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com] And how old was he when he became emperor. It was a good thing the next year he designated a successor. I would not think it wsa that common that an emperor would designate an heir on the second year of his term? Thanks Nerva was born on 8 November AD 30 and became emperor on 18 September AD 96, so he was almost 66 years old when he came to power. The sources explicitly note that he became emperor when he was nearly sixty-six, after a long public career. [ancient-hi...-sites.com], [en-academic.com] Your instinct is exactly right: at that age, succession was not an abstract problem. What makes Nerva particularly interesting is that his adoption of Trajan was not simply a routine dynastic gesture. During his brief reign he encountered serious difficulties with the army, including a revolt by the Praetorian Guard in AD 97. The sources state that this situation effectively forced him to secure the succession by adopting Trajan, a popular and successful general. [ancient-hi...-sites.com], [mapcarta.com], [en-academic.com] So the chronology is striking:  Emperor: September 96. [ancient-hi...-sites.com], [alamy.com] Adoption of Trajan: 97. [alamy.com], [ancient-hi...-sites.com] Death: January 98. [ancient-hi...-sites.com], [alamy.com]  From a Speranzian perspective, one might say:  Nerva's reign was not mainly about ruling Rome. It was about ensuring who would rule Rome after him.  This is why ancient and modern accounts often treat his adoption of Trajan as his greatest political achievement. It founded the succession that historians later called the beginning of the Nerva–Antonine line. [ancient-hi...-sites.com], [alamy.com] A Gricean exchange suggests itself: FILIVS  Pater, vix annum imperasti, et iam successorem quaerebas. "Father, you had scarcely ruled a year, and already you were seeking a successor."  NERVA  Sexaginta sex annos natus eram. "I was sixty-six years old."  FILIVS  Ergo de futuro cogitabas? "Then you were thinking about the future?"  NERVA  Princeps prudens semper de successore cogitat. "A prudent ruler always thinks about a successor."  The implicature being:  +> that the stability of the Empire mattered more than the length of Nerva's personal reign. And it should be pointed that the years are: Year 1: C. becomes emperor. Year 2. C. adopts. Year 3. C. dies. The adoption is not yet 'I designate thee the next emperor, if the world does not collapse before' Thanks Exactly. A Gricean would be suspicious of the retrospective way we often tell the story. We know the sequence:  AD 96: Nerva becomes emperor. [ancient-hi...-sites.com], [alamy.com] AD 97: Nerva adopts Trajan as his heir. [alamy.com], [ancient-hi...-sites.com] January AD 98: Nerva dies and Trajan succeeds him. [ancient-hi...-sites.com], [en-academic.com]  Because we know step (3), we are tempted to read step (2) as though Nerva were saying:  "Trajan, I hereby designate you the next emperor."  But that is hindsight talking. At the time of the adoption, Nerva was very much alive. The adoption did not magically produce a vacancy on the throne. What it did was create a publicly recognized successor and strengthen the regime, especially given Nerva's difficulties with the army. [ancient-hi...-sites.com], [mapcarta.com] In a Gricean mood, one might distinguish: What was literally done  Nerva adopted Trajan.  What later historians infer  Nerva designated the next emperor.  The second is true only because Nerva happened to die shortly afterwards and Trajan successfully succeeded him. Had circumstances changed—rebellion, assassination, civil war, another adoption—the significance of the act might have looked quite different. A Speranzian Nerva could therefore tell his son: FILIVS  Traianum successorem fecisti? "Did you make Trajan your successor?"  NERVA  Adoptavi. "I adopted him."  FILIVS  Nonne idem est? "Isn't that the same thing?"  NERVA  Minime. "Not at all."  FILIVS  Quid interest? "What is the difference?"  NERVA  Adoptio factum est; successio futura res erat. "The adoption was an accomplished fact; the succession was a future event."  And that is very Gricean indeed: confusing a present performative act with all of its anticipated future consequences. The adoption occurred in AD 97; Trajan's accession occurred only later, after Nerva's death in AD 98. [ancient-hi...-sites.com], [alamy.com] And are we to suppose that as per entailment, C. did not have BIOLOGICAL SON? We should be careful here about what follows by entailment and what merely follows by historical probability. What I found is:  Nerva adopted Trajan as his successor. [unrv.com] Later writers frequently describe the adoptive succession as arising when emperors lacked a male heir or a surviving biological son. [pressbooks.whccd.edu], [everything...ined.today], [academia.edu]  However, the sources I found do not explicitly state:  "Nerva had no biological son."  So I should not claim that as a directly sourced fact. That said, historically, the adoption strongly suggests a succession problem. The reason the adoption was politically significant is precisely that Trajan became the publicly recognized heir. [unrv.com] A Gricean distinction would be: What is entailed by the adoption? Not:  Nerva had no biological son.  A man can adopt an heir even if he has children. What is conversationally implicated? Something closer to:  Nerva lacked a biological son whom he wished, or was able, to put forward as successor.  That is the conclusion most hearers would naturally draw from the circumstances, especially since Roman writers regularly connect adoptive succession with the absence of suitable biological heirs. [pressbooks.whccd.edu], [everything...ined.today], [academia.edu] In Speranzian form: FILIVS  Traianum adoptasti. "You adopted Trajan."  NERVA  Ita. "Indeed."  FILIVS  Ergo filium non habebas? "Then you had no son?"  NERVA  Non sequitur. "That does not follow."  FILIVS  Quid ergo sequitur? "What does follow?"  NERVA  Traianum heredem esse volui. "I wanted Trajan to be my heir."  The Gricean moral is that:  "Nerva adopted Trajan" does not entail "Nerva had no biological son."  What it very naturally suggests is that Trajan was the man Nerva wanted Rome to regard as his successor. That implication became retrospectively stronger because Nerva died only a few months later. apparnetly, he was a single father, too -- thanks No, Emperor Nerva did not have a biological son (or any children at all) when he adopted Trajan in 97 AD. In fact, there is no historical record indicating that Nerva ever married. [1] His lack of a natural heir—combined with his lack of military backing and an aggressive mutiny by the Praetorian Guard—forced him to look outside his bloodline to secure his position and prevent a civil war. He chose the highly popular general Trajan as his adoptive son specifically to appease the Roman legions and ensure a stable succession. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] If you are interested in this period of Roman history, I can share more details about: The mutiny that forced Nerva's hand How the Adoptive Dynasty (the "Five Good Emperors") operated after Nerva Trajan's immediate actions upon taking the throne [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] Yes, and that makes the Nerva story even more interesting. From the material I found earlier, Nerva adopted Trajan in AD 97 and died in January AD 98, after a reign of roughly sixteen months. Your additional note is important, but I would phrase it carefully. If the sources you consulted state that:  there is no historical record that Nerva ever married,  then one should not call him a "single father". On the contrary, one would say:  Nerva appears to have had no known wife and no known children.  That actually sharpens the Gricean point. The succession problem for Nerva was not:  "Which of my sons shall inherit?"  but rather:  "Who can credibly succeed me at all?"  And because he was already about sixty-six when he became emperor, the question could hardly be postponed indefinitely. A Speranzian exchange might run: FILIVS ADOPTIVVS  Cur me adoptasti? "Why did you adopt me?"  NERVA  Quia imperium heredem desiderabat. "Because the Empire required an heir."  FILIVS  Egone filius tibi defuit? "Did you lack a son?"  NERVA  Filius mihi defuit; res publica non debuit deficere. "I lacked a son; the Republic must not lack a successor."  The implicature is elegant:  +> that the adoption was directed less toward completing a family than toward completing a constitutional succession.  Indeed, the remarkable thing about Nerva is that his greatest achievement may not have been governing Rome in AD 96–98, but ensuring that Rome knew who would govern after AD 98. [attalus.org] I was referring say, we may compare with British law -- when was a male bachelor ALLOWED to adopt. There is no evidence C. was married. He adopted Trajan in 97 -- nobody questioned that there was no Mrs. Nerba around -- hence 'single father' of Trajan -- single adoptive father. -- not as Anderson Cooper because in this case there is insemination -- so Cooper is single BIOLOGICAL father. Thanks Yes, and here the comparison with modern adoption law is illuminating. In Roman law, adoption was fundamentally different from the modern Anglo-American picture of adoption as primarily a child-welfare institution. Roman adoption was often:  political, dynastic, patrimonial, succession-oriented.  An adult man could be adopted. Indeed, many famous Roman adoptions involved adults rather than children. Trajan was about forty when Nerva adopted him. So the fact that Nerva appears to have had no known wife and no known children creates no visible legal difficulty for the Romans. The act:  Nerva adopted Trajan  was legally intelligible on its own. Trajan became Nerva's son in law, regardless of biology. Adoption created a kinship bond that Romans took very seriously. [archive.org], [la.wikisource.org] In that sense, your description is actually quite apt:  Nerva became Trajan's single adoptive father.  Not in the modern domestic sense, but in the legal Roman sense. The interesting Gricean point is that modern readers often hear:  "Nerva adopted Trajan"  and immediately supply the implicature:  "Nerva had no children."  That may well be historically correct, but it does not follow from the adoption itself. What does follow is that Nerva chose to create a father-son relationship with Trajan. Roman law treated this as a real kinship relation. [archive.org] A Speranzian exchange could run: AMICVS  Traianus filius tuus est? "Is Trajan your son?"  NERVA  Ita. "Yes."  AMICVS  Sed non eum genuisti. "But you did not beget him."  NERVA  Aliud est gignere, aliud adoptare. "Begetting is one thing; adopting is another."  AMICVS  Ergo vere filius est? "Then is he truly a son?"  NERVA  Romanis certe. "To the Romans, certainly."  The Gricean moral is that "father" need not mean "biological father." Roman adoption was not pretending; it was a legal speech-act that created a new familial status. And, as you note, this makes Nerva look rather unlike a modern biological single father such as your Anderson Cooper example. Nerva's fatherhood was entirely juridical and political: he became Trajan's father by adoption, not by procreation.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cocconato – Ossia: Grice e Cocconato: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale.  Alberto Radicati, conte di Passerano e Cocconato (Torino, Piemonte): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale. Grice: “I like C.! – I used to say that the first task for the historian of Italian philosophy, unless you are a member of La Crusca, is to decide on the surname – I like C.! He spent some time in London, as I did – and he shows that the average Italian philosopher is a nobleman, or vice versa! Venturi revived C., as did the re-issuing of his “Moral Discourses”!” -- “Manhood and unbelief!” Libero pensatore, il primo illuminista della penisola, secondo Gobetti. Matura il suo pensiero anti-clericale nel clima dell'anticurialismo sabaudo ben presente in alcuni settori della corte di Vittorio Amedeo II, re di Sardegna. Cominciato anche in campo religioso “a far uso della mia ragione.” Legge testi libertine. Il suo scritto principaleI discorsi morali, storici e politici redatti su diretto incarico di Vittorio Amedeo II nel mutato clima conseguente alla ratifica del Concordato stipulato tra regno sabaudo e Benedetto diverrà la ragione vera del suo esilio. “La Dissertazione filosofica sulla morte,” desta un enorme scandalo. Nella, di annientarne il potenziale con strategie brutalmente repressive. E  questo lo snodo cruciale di fronte al quale vediamo divaricarsi  i due approcci fondamentali, le due strategie basilari di controllo del desiderio adottate da Platone: repressione versus canalizzazione, violenza versus persuasione, schiavizzazione versus educazione. È questo il bivio dal quale si può imboccare la  via che conduce all'armonia, alla salute, all' 'eudaimonia e alla giustizia del filosofo, o invece il cammino psicopatologico che sbocca, da ultimo, nella mania del tiranno. L'uomo massimamente ingiusto, infelice, malato, espropriato, travolto da una  massa di epithymiai feroci, incontrollabili, ormai liberatesi dalle catene di quella schiavitù che le relegava al di là dei confini  della coscienza, sottraendole ad ogni controllo diretto e permettendo così il rafforzamento fino al massimo grado, e quindi  l'esplosione finale del loro devastante potenziale. implicature della morte, eros e tanatos, amore e morte. Italian philosophy can be fun—provided one takes it in small doses, like grappa. Today, browsing in the Senior Common Room, I came upon a copy of what I insist on calling Cocconato’s Twelve Discourses. He gives the title, with that cheerful Italian solemnity which makes even a pamphlet sound like an epoch: Dodici discorsi morali, storici e politici. He obligingly presents them to his kind—Vittorio Amedeo, that very Savoyard monarch who managed to be at once a king and a negotiator with the Pope, and who, like most men of power, was allergic to frankness in religion but addicted to it in taxation. Radicati’s dedication has the tone of a moral tutor who has been promoted, temporarily, to court adviser. He writes, in effect: I have composed these twelve discourses for Your Majesty, so that Your Majesty may have a pleasant reading—one discourse for each of the twelve months of this year of grace, 1729. It is a charming conceit: a calendar of enlightenment, as if a sovereign might be improved by monthly installments. One imagines January as temperance, February as prudence, March as anti-clericalism, and so on—until December arrives and the reader, being a king, is expected to conclude by becoming reasonable. They certainly had an effect on His Majesty. He abdicated the next year. Now, abdication is not, strictly speaking, a philosophical conclusion. It is not the end of an argument; it is the end of an office. But the coincidence is too good to waste. If one wanted to be uncharitable (which is, I admit, a temptation), one might say: Radicati offered twelve discourses as a programme of rational self-government; Vittorio Amedeo took the hint and decided to stop governing altogether. That would be the royal version of accepting the conclusion by resigning from the premises. Still, I do like the dedication’s quiet performative confidence. It presupposes that discourse is not mere decoration but a kind of civil instrument: that reason, offered in the right tone, can move a king’s will. Whether it moved him towards enlightenment or merely towards retirement, I leave to the historians. My only comment is a Gricean one: if you give a man twelve moral discourses “for his pleasure,” you may have implicated more than you said. The pleasure, in such cases, may be precisely in discovering an excuse. I took Cocconato’s book back with me to Belsyre Court, as if it were a library copy in the old Oxford sense: not so much borrowed as provisionally annexed. I had decided—rather grandly, and with the sort of annual resolution one ordinarily makes only about whisky—that 1947 would be my year of Grice. Not that I intended to write a book called that; merely to live as if I might, which is a milder ambition and therefore, by Oxford standards, more dangerous. Radicati—Cocconato, as I persist in calling him—had provided me with a programme. He had meant his twelve discourses as a monthly ration for a king; I proposed to use them as a monthly ration for a don. The king, in 1729, was to have one discourse per month for his leisure; the don, in 1947, would have one discourse per month for his sanity. One ought to be careful with such analogies, of course. Kings abdicate; dons merely lapse into committee-work. The list itself has a reassuring air of order. It is almost too orderly, like a syllabus. One feels the implicature at once: if there are twelve discourses, then a year may be governed; if a year may be governed, then a life may be governed; and if a life may be governed, then perhaps even a kingdom. This, as it happens, is precisely the sort of implicature that tempts a monarch into thinking philosophy is a branch of administration. The twelve are these—at least as Cocconato prints them, with the kind of seriousness that makes a title look like a civic duty: I. gennaio — L’importanza dell’educazione It says: education matters. It implicates: “Your Majesty requires reminding”—either distributively (educate each subject) or collectively (educate the state); kings prefer the reading that sounds like a policy memo. For a don it implicates: “Begin where Oxford begins: with instruction dressed as virtue.” Maxim: Start with schooling; it lets the rest look voluntary. II. febbraio — Il concetto di virtù It says: virtue is a concept. It implicates: if virtue is a concept, it can be defined, inspected, administered—hence safely royal. For a don it implicates: “February is when virtue is least self-sustaining, so a concept will have to do.” Maxim: When the month is short, make goodness definable. III. marzo — L’idea di giustizia It says: justice is an idea. It implicates: justice is not yet available for bureaucratic handling; it is held at arm’s length as an “idea,” i.e., an ideal that can be praised without being practised. For a don it implicates: “Oxford will discuss justice while waiting for spring to make the world look less unjust.” Maxim: Call it an idea when you don’t mean to enact it. IV. aprile — Analisi storica dell’Impero Romano It says: history of Rome. It implicates: “You are not Rome; do not behave as if you were”—a Piedmontese warning disguised as antiquarianism (sub‑alpine modesty, with imperial fantasies kept on a leash). For a don it implicates: “April is revision term: read collapse, fear hubris, mark essays.” Maxim: History frightens best when it flatters first. V. maggio — L’importanza della religione It says: religion matters. It implicates: after Nero, a stabiliser—religion as political ballast; faith as the monarchy’s insurance policy against the moral one learns from Rome. For a don it implicates: “May is when one needs a principle that looks higher than exams.” Maxim: After empire comes altar; after satire, solace. VI. giugno — Il concetto di libertà It says: liberty is a concept. It implicates: liberty is to be handled as definitional, not contagious—safe enough to read, dangerous to feel; if Berlin ever wants a pedigree, he could do worse than June in Piedmont. For a don it implicates: “Liberty is a topic you teach before you experience it.” Maxim: Define freedom early, lest it begin to behave. VII. luglio — Critica della monarchia francese It says: critique of the French monarchy. It implicates: “Be monarchic, but not French about it”—‘francese’ as a term of reproach; “frank” is what you call tactlessness when it comes from Paris. For a don it implicates: “July needs a comedy, and France is the traditional one.” Maxim: Mock France to prove you’re legitimate without saying so. VIII. agosto — L’importanza del commercio It says: commerce matters. It implicates: a king does not trade; he levies—so commerce is preached as something others do for him; still, even a monarch needs markets to keep the peace looking natural. For a don it implicates: “In August, ‘commerce’ means the shop beneath your window and the bill you cannot philosophise away.” Maxim: The sovereign scorns trade—until he wants bread. IX. settembre — Il concetto di guerra It says: war is a concept. It implicates: war gets conceptualised; peace gets presumed. The monarch is invited to treat war as an instrument (a concept) rather than a calamity (a memory). For a don it implicates: “September is when war becomes timetable: wireless, recollection, and the return of duties.” Maxim: War is always analysed; peace is merely scheduled. X. ottobre — Analisi storica dell’Impero Ottomano It says: history of the Ottoman Empire. It implicates: a ceremonious irrelevance—October exotica to remind the king that the world is larger than Turin, and also that “empire” comes in non-Roman varieties (a useful insult by comparison). For a don it implicates: “Oxford loves an October digression: it looks like breadth.” Maxim: Nothing reassures like a far-off empire you needn’t govern. XI. novembre — L’importanza dell’agricoltura It says: agriculture matters. It implicates: food precedes glory; the crown rests on wheat. In Piedmont, where prairies are lacking, the reminder is practical: the land feeds you even when it doesn’t flatter you. For a don it implicates: “November smells of earth on boots and of bread arriving as if by a daily miracle— theology by delivery.” Maxim: Empire talks; agriculture feeds. XII. dicembre — Appello alla responsabilità individuale It says: an appeal to individual responsibility. It implicates: a paradox for a monarch—responsibility “individuale” addressed to the one man trained to think he is responsible only by grace; a near-oxymoron that December dares to print. For a don it implicates: “End the year by doing something—anything—that isn’t commentary.” Maxim: The year ends where excuses should: with the singular. You can see the rhythm: education, virtue, justice—then history to frighten you; religion to steady you; liberty to tease you; France to amuse you; commerce to reassure you; war to sober you; the Ottomans to remind you the world is large; agriculture to remind you the world is hungry; and finally, like the last line of a sermon, responsibility—individual, of course, because collective responsibility is always somebody else’s. I arranged them, in my mind, like a calendar pinned to the wall of the study. January would begin with education, because Oxford always begins with education and never quite ends it. February would take virtue, because February is the month in which virtue is most needed. March would attempt justice, because March is when one begins to suspect that winter has been unjust. And so on, each discourse assigned its season as if ideas had weather. But Belsyre Court is not Versailles, and the implicatures change when a book is taken from a palace to a flat. In a court of flats, “the importance of commerce” is not a treatise; it is the shop-front under your window. “The concept of war” is not a chapter; it is the neighbour’s wireless and the memory one cannot quite turn down. “Agriculture” is not an economic base; it is the faint smell of earth on someone’s boots and the distant fact that bread arrives every morning as if by miracle, which is a theological point disguised as a delivery. Still, the scheme had its charm. A discourse a month. A steady diet. A private concordat between my conscience and my bookshelf. If Cocconato thought he was giving a monarch twelve pleasant reads, he was also giving him twelve small excuses—twelve ways of feeling that something had been done merely by reading. I am not a king; but I am an Oxford don, which is a different kind of sovereignty, and not necessarily a more modest one. The danger is the same: to confuse the consumption of discourse with the exercise of reason. So I told myself, on the stairs at Belsyre, key in hand, that I would read one per month and do, at least once per month, something that counted as responsibility rather than commentary. That is the difference between 1729 and 1947. A king can abdicate. A don, alas, can only adjourn. Once you start Cocconato you cannot easily leave Cocconato. The man is a perfect machine for producing historical “why?”—and, as Grice would add, for producing the even better question: why does the record look inconsistent unless you supply the missing implicatures? Here’s a clean vignette-frame you can use as a postscript (I’m not inserting anything—just giving you material), with me “answering” while Grice wonders, and with the dates/politics straightened out.  A Gricean postscript: abdications, exiles, and why London GRICE (suspiciously): Cocconato gives the Discorsi to the king in 1729. The king abdicates in 1730. Yet Cocconato is “in exile” in London already in 1726. Who, exactly, exiled him—given that the king was still very much on the throne and, by 1729, still apparently receiving philosophical reading matter? One does not usually dedicate a twelve‑course banquet to the chef who has just had one whipped out of the kitchen. ME (answering, with as little romance as possible): The apparent contradiction dissolves the moment you treat “exile” as two different things:   Exile as flight (1726): Cocconato leaves Piedmont secretly in 1726 because the climate has turned dangerous for him—religiously and politically. Treccani’s biography has him choose the way of exile when Turin’s relations with Rome improve and he feels isolated. In other words: not “the king sends him away,” but “the ground under him hardens,” and he removes himself. [treccani.it]   Exile as formal ban (1728): Only later does it harden into an official, explicit exclusion. Treccani mentions a letter of 20 October 1728 in which Vittorio Amedeo II bans him definitively from Savoyard states. [treccani.it]   So the sequence is: flight first; formal ban later. That’s why you can have “London from 1726” and still have a manuscript “submitted” or “sent” in 1729. GRICE: So in 1729 he is writing to the king from outside the kingdom? ME: Exactly—and that actually makes the dedication more intelligible. A dedication from exile is not gratitude; it’s pressure. Cocconato’s twelve-discourse calendar is less a gift than a continuing attempt to keep the king in the reforming mood—especially since the king had earlier valued his counsel on ecclesiastical policy. Treccani is explicit that Cocconato enjoyed the king’s confidence and influenced “pre‑concordat” Piedmontese policy, but that once the court reconciles with Rome he is squeezed out. [treccani.it] There’s also a scholarly précis (English Historical Review book review) that states the Discorsi were drafted in 1729 and a version was submitted to the king when the king was “then in dispute with Rome.” That squares neatly with the picture: the discourses are part of a jurisdictional tug‑of‑war; then the tug ends; then the writer becomes intolerable. [academic.oup.com] GRICE (dryly): So the implicature of a dedication is not “I am your loyal servant,” but “Remember what you were about to do.” ME: Precisely. It’s a royal bookmark.  Why did the king abdicate (and why the date confusion)? GRICE: The user says abdication in 1730—yet some accounts float 1731 around. What gives? ME: The clean date is 1730: Vittorio Amedeo II abdicated on 3 September 1730. [en.wikipedia.org] The 1731 noise comes from what happens after: he tried to reverse course and resume authority, and his son Charles Emmanuel III had him arrested/confined in 1731. Britannica summarizes it crisply: abdicates in 1730; changes his mind; is arrested in 1731; confined thereafter. [britannica.com] So: abdication (1730), attempted comeback + confinement (1731). GRICE: Kings can cancel a promise, but sons can cancel a king. ME: Exactly—and it’s the kind of grim pragmatic lesson Cocconato would have enjoyed writing a thirteenth discourse about.  Why was he “king of Sicily” and then “king of Sardinia” (and why “Piedmont”)? GRICE: Why does a man become king of one island and then trade it for another—like a gentleman swapping country houses? ME: Because European diplomacy treated crowns like chess pieces after the War of the Spanish Succession.  Vittorio Amedeo II becomes King of Sicily in 1713 (Treaty of Utrecht settlement). [en.wikipedia.org] In the reshuffle that follows the War of the Quadruple Alliance, he is compelled to exchange Sicily for Sardinia, and he becomes King of Sardinia in 1720. [britannica.com], [en.wikipedia.org]  Why “Piedmont” then? Because the power-base and administrative heart of the Savoyard state remained in Turin/Piedmont; “Sardinia” is the royal title that upgrades the dynasty’s rank. (So you get the familiar modern shorthand “Sardinia‑Piedmont”: a mainland state ruling an island kingdom for the sake of the crown.)  Why London of all places—and the Oxford-adjacent angle you want GRICE: But why should Cocconato choose London rather than, say, Geneva (for Calvinists) or Amsterdam (for printers) or Paris (for temptation)? ME: Two reasons, one practical and one intellectual—both very usable in your vignette.   Practical refuge + printing ecology: London in the 1720s is comparatively hospitable to heterodoxy, and it has the machinery for controversy: publishers, pamphlets, deist circles, translation networks. Treccani’s bio tracks how, once in London, he continues the same work; later he even gets arrested there in 1732 over the Dissertation upon Death—which tells you both that he could publish freely enough to cause scandal and that London still had limits. [treccani.it]   Intellectual proximity without institutional admission: London is where an Italian (or Piedmontese) free-thinker can mingle with educated Englishmen—some of them inevitably Oxford-formed—without needing to be “received” by Oxford. London is the social university: coffee-houses, salons, clubs, the Republic of Letters in a metropolitan key. Cocconato doesn’t need to visit Oxford to meet Oxfordness; London exports it hourly.   If you want to sharpen the Oxford angle without making a factual claim you can’t cite, you can let Grice say something like: Oxford is a place; London is a distribution system.Grice: Cocconato, ti confesso che la filosofia italiana mi sembra sempre un po’ nobile, quasi come se il pensare fosse un titolo ereditario! Cocconato: Grice, in effetti tra un conte e un libero pensatore c’è solo la distanza di un Concordato. Ma la ragione, quella sì, non ha bisogno di stemmi! Grice: Allora, Cocconato, da buon illuminista, hai mai pensato che l’amore e la morte siano due parenti stretti, come il barone e il parroco al pranzo di corte? Cocconato: Grice, ti dirò, eros e tanatos si rincorrono come i pensieri ribelli tra le stanze del castello. Ma un buon discorso morale li accomoda a tavola, che sia per la ragione o per un po’ di vino! Cocconato, Alberto (1729). Dodice discorsi: morali, storici, e politici.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Coco – Ossia: Grice e Coco: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del contratto di carattere mutuale prevalente.  Nicola Coco (Umbriatico, Crotone, Calabria): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del contratto di carattere mutuale prevalente. Grice: “Typically, while in the Italian North, Conte can play with words, in the Italian South, C. must work for the workers! Is conversation a work? I think so – lavoro – In the ‘codice civile’ or rather the ‘codice’ of the civil laws – there is a section on ‘lavoro’, and a title on ‘co-operativa’, short for ‘cooperative society’ – This is all due to Coco – It sounds slightly fascist, and he did write a little tract with ‘fascist’ in the subtitle! – Coco is a performativist, so he understands that ius must ‘constitute’ and define: so he goes on to analyse what I’ve been analysing too – what is to cooperate – in a common task or ‘lavoro’ – what is ‘mutuality’ – what are the requirements for mutuality, and so on – It’s not as legalese and boring as it sounds! And it provides a framework for my pragmatics – since a lawyer, and especially a Griceian one, can be VERY SMART! Coco is!” Si laurea a Napoli. Positivista. Insegna a Roma. Parrticipa ai lavori di stesura del codice civile e il codice di procedura civile. S’occupa prevalentemente della stesura di leggi in materia del contratto, obbligazione, e diritto del lavoro. filosofia del diritto” “Una quistione di diritto transitorio in tema di farmacie codice penale” Per la tradizione giuridica italiana” sulla corporazione fascista” Sulla costituzione di parte civile delle associazioni sindacali” pre-giudiziale penale nel giudizio del lavoro” (della città, dice: in (jual minor conto siamo ' noi tenuti! S'inganna esso a partito; nessuno tiene in minor conto chi guida il solco e l’aratro, ed è necessario che i contadini il sappiano, che hanno ànch'essi le loro istituzioni da cui sieno allettati, e che le provvide virtù camminino fra i popoli agricoli sotto i tetti di paglia, e che la vanga e il sarchiello non restano mortificati dinanzi al maglio ed al telaio. cooperativa, impresa giurisprudenza agire corporazione contratto e cooperazione, associazione, sindaco, grundnorm, legalita, nipote: ordine giuridico, unica garanzia del contratto sociale, le societa di mutuo soccorso, spirito cooperativo. Grice: “It is an odd thing: having spent a war-time period notionally “fighting the Italians” (though not me personally, since my theatres were the North Atlantic and then Whitehall, Admiralty), I find myself feeling a curious tenderness towards them. It is not loyalty—God forbid—but something like a belated recognition that they are, in their own way, as obsessed with words as we are, only with better weather and worse politics. I notice, in the St John’s library, an elderly copy of Nicola Coco’s Gli eclettismi contemporanei e le lezioni di filosofia del diritto. “Lagonegro,” it says on the title-page, which I confess I rather like: it sounds neither like the Dead Sea nor the Red Sea but, by a trick of my own frightened ear, like the Black Sea—the mere sound of which used to terrify one in briefings, because the Black Sea is the sea you imagine when you imagine seas that swallow you. But what truly unsettles me is the title’s casual plural: eclettismi. Not l’eclettismo, as if there were one manageable vice, one single intellectual habit to be identified, rebuked, and put away. No: eclettismi, in the plural—eclecticisms, as if Coco were proposing to deal with the entire menagerie. This is what I call the Eclectic Paradox: it takes an eclectic to recognise eclecticism at all; but to recognise more than one—indeed, a plurality of eclecticisms—requires either (a) a still higher eclecticism, which is like being drunk enough to notice that everyone else is tipsy, or (b) a principle that is not eclectic at all. And at once one begins to wonder what Coco means when he applies “eclectic” (as Italians cheerfully do) to Cicero. “Cicero was an eclectic,” they say, as if that settled it—like saying a man is “tall” when what you mean is that he blocks your view at the theatre. I have suffered the accusation myself. Flew—my first tutee at St John’s, always quicker to label than to locate—once told me, with that brisk undergraduate cruelty, that I was “an eclectic.” I remember thinking: if so, I am at least an eclectic with principles; but then one remembers that this is exactly what every eclectic says. So I did what one does when one is frightened by a word: I went to the dictionary. The Greek behind all this is perfectly respectable. ἐκλεκτικός comes from ἐκλέγω: to pick out, to choose—ἐκ, “out,” plus λέγω, “choose,” “pick,” “count.” In the beginning it is a word of selection, of discrimination, almost of good taste. One imagines a man in a market, choosing olives. One does not imagine him constructing a philosophical position. Latin, which is always eager to look like Greek in a toga, produces eclecticus as a learned borrowing, a label for that kind of philosopher who “selects” doctrines from various schools. It is a term that already contains its own excuse: I am not inconsistent, you see, merely selective. “Eclectic” thus begins as a compliment to one’s freedom and ends as a euphemism for one’s refusal to finish an argument. Now Coco’s plural—eclettismi—turns the euphemism into a programme. It suggests that there is not merely the eclectic who picks and chooses, but whole species of picking and choosing: eclecticism of temperament, eclecticism of cowardice, eclecticism of fashion, eclecticism of professional caution, and the worst kind of all, eclecticism of bibliography—where one collects references the way a magpie collects bright objects, and calls the heap “research.” I begin to suspect that Coco’s Italian plural is doing a piece of philosophical work. In English, “eclecticism” sounds like a single pathology; in Italian, the plural makes it sound like a civic condition. And perhaps that is the point. If one can have eclettismi, then one can have, by parity, implicature—plural too, implicature of this sort and that—without having to decide, once and for all, what the thing is. One is licensed to go on talking. My punchline, then, is a modest one. Coco frightens me, not because he is eclectic, but because he is plural. A man who can pluralise a vice is a man who intends to keep it. And in philosophy—as in naval intelligence—the surest sign that someone is hiding something is not what he says, but what he makes multiply.Grice: Caro Coco, mi incuriosisce la tua visione sul contratto mutuale: pensi che la cooperazione possa davvero essere il fondamento del nostro convivere civile? Nella tua esperienza, il lavoro in comune ha sempre garantito la giustizia sociale? Coco: Grice, ti direi che il contratto mutuale è il cuore pulsante delle relazioni sociali: la cooperazione è la base della società, soprattutto tra chi lavora la terra o costruisce la città. La giustizia sociale nasce quando ciascuno si sente parte attiva, non spettatore, nel processo produttivo e organizzativo. Grice: Interessante! Quindi il diritto non è solo un insieme di regole, ma una costruzione collettiva, quasi performativa, come dici tu. E quanto conta il “spirito cooperativo” rispetto alla legalità vera e propria? Può esistere cooperazione senza legge? Coco: La legge deve garantire l’ordine giuridico, ma senza spirito cooperativo resta solo lettera morta. L’impresa collettiva prende vita quando la mutualità diventa pratica quotidiana e la giurisprudenza riconosce l’importanza dell’agire insieme. Il vero progresso si ha quando il diritto e la cooperazione camminano fianco a fianco, come diceva mio nonno tra il solco e l’aratro! Coco, Nicola (1909). Gli ecletticismi. Lagonegro: Tancredi.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Codronchi – Ossia: Grice e Codronchi: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del contratto, giocco d’assardo, contratto, gioco aleatorio, Ercole, l’Ara Massima, e il patto comunitario. Nicola Codronchi (Imola, Bologna, Emilia-Romagna): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del contratto, giocco d’assardo, contratto, gioco aleatorio, Ercole, l’Ara Massima, e il patto comunitario. Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning treats conversation as a rational, cooperative practice in which what is meant can outrun what is said because hearers can justifyably infer speaker-intended implicatures from shared norms (helpfulness, relevance, sufficiency) and from the recognition of communicative intentions. Codronchi, by contrast, approaches “reason in interaction” through the juridical and proto-economic lens of contract and aleatory play: in his discussions of giochi d’azzardo and contractual forms (including the idea that form is secondary provided intention is clearly conveyed, and that a primitive contract is a dialogic bilateral act where A proposes and B assents), the central explanatory notion is not maxims that generate cancellable implicatures but conditions under which an agreement becomes binding within a community (witnesses, oaths, public sanction, the transition from informal pact to state-backed obligation). The overlap is striking and helps your framing: Grice’s occasional temptation to a “quasi-contractualist” picture of conversation (participants tacitly accepting norms that make talk possible) is precisely the kind of analogy Codronchi’s material invites, and the bridge/poker contrast in your diary vignette fits both men—because it distinguishes mere evidence-leakage from intention-recognition (Grice’s core) while also distinguishing legitimate, rule-governed signalling within a practice from illicit side-channel manipulation (the contract/game boundary that matters for Codronchi’s normative outlook). But the difference remains: Grice is explaining how meaning is inferred in real time from rational expectations inside an exchange, whereas Codronchi is explaining how mutual commitment is instituted and stabilized (often ceremonially) so that what is “said” counts as an act with legal force, making conversational rationality look less like a set of interpretive maxims and more like the precondition for a pact—an agreed framework in which words can bind as well as inform. Grice: “One would underestimate C.if it were not for the fact that he writes a smartest little tract on the  way I see conversation as game and contract. In “Logic and conversation’ I do confess to having been attracted for a while to a quasi-contractualist approach to conversation alla Grice, i.  e., G. R. Grice, and I’m not sure the reason I give there for rejecting the view is valid, or strong enough! As for games, of course conversation is a game, but I never take that too seriously, perhaps because Austin is obsessed with rules of games, and the subject is worn out for me. When Hintikka comes along all he does was talk about dialogue games! I do use game’ terminology, and cf. contract bridge!: conversational move, rule, players. Only this or that move will be appropriate, and so on. For a time, I was attracted by the idea that observance of the principle of conversational helpfulness and the maxims could be thought of as a  contract. Si laurea a Napoli. Distingue contratto epistemico nel quale è noto il rapporto tra eventi favorevoli e contrari, empirico, nel quale il rapporto tra un evento favoravole e un evento contrario si fondato sull'esperienza, e misto, dove il rapporto tra un evento favoravole e un evento contrario si basa su una legge sicura E l'esperienza. The form has no importance except in LO SPONSIO, provided the  INTENTION is clearly conveyed. The earliest contract is NOT couched in a particular  form of utterance. The form is used to express an agreement which is binding, its utterance informal. The primitive contract is an agreement clothed with the approval of state. contratto giocco d’assardo concordo informale o formale sacri: giuramento per giove e sponsio vino simbolo del sangue dei vittimi secolare nesso chiede la la comunita testificatore nell’ara massima per Ercole e invoca la regola di Romolo, contratto bilaterale forma dialogica, A esprime la proposizione, B assentendo alla sua comprehension ed accettazione. Grice: “St. John’s, 1949. “Tomorrow I’m competing at the Auction Bridge thing, and I thought of checking with the Bodleian for any advice. The librarian handed me an old copy — manuscript, almost — by one Codronchi, on ‘giocchi d’azzardo,’ and got me thinking: what makes bridge such a thing? And in what way does it make chess not such a thing? I didn’t reach any conclusion, but I hope Codronchi will help me do that!” Editor’s note: Gioco d’azzardo is best rendered as “game of chance” or “gambling,” i.e., play in which the outcome is materially dependent on luck and typically connected with staking money. Bridge is gambling in that its raw materials are dealt at random and, in many formats, money is explicitly at stake (or the scoring is treated as a proxy for stakes), so chance enters essentially even though skill governs bidding and play; chess, by contrast, contains no hidden information and no randomization once the initial position is fixed, so it is a pure game of skill (if it is ever “gambling,” it is only accidentally so, because people choose to bet on it, not because the game itself contains chance). Two days later — diary entry. Codronchi helped rather more than I expected. I was talking “meaning” with Strawson, and it occurred to us that bridge isn’t like poker: there’s a sort of intention-recognition that makes poker a sneakier business. In poker I can put on a grin — a deliberate little signal — precisely so that my opponent notices it and draws the wrong conclusion about my hand. But in bridge that sort of theatricality won’t do; it either counts for nothing (because partner and opponents are supposed to ignore it) or it collapses into outright impropriety. Both games are, in Codronchi’s phrase, giochi d’azzardo, yet the route by which one player “lets another know” something differs: poker thrives on managed appearances and strategic misrecognition, whereas bridge (at least as the rules pretend) tries to keep the informational traffic on the surface, in the bids and the play, rather than in the face. If one can get clear about that difference, one is already most of the way toward getting clear about the difference between meaning — communicating by getting one’s intention recognized — and merely providing evidence, or “letting someone know,” without quite speaking. Editor’s note: Grice is groping toward what later becomes his core distinction between non-natural meaning (speaker meaning) and mere indication. His poker case is a neat miniature of speaker meaning: the grinning player intends the opponent to recognize the grin as intentional and to treat that recognition as a reason for an inference (even if the inference is engineered to be mistaken). Bridge, by contrast, is designed to restrict (indeed penalize) that kind of off-channel signalling; so whatever information “leaks” through a grin is, in the ideal, not part of the game’s legitimate communicative system but an illicit cue. The upshot is Gricean: in poker, the expressive display functions like an utterance whose point is in its uptake; in bridge, the same display is supposed to be treated as mere behavior, not as a communicative move, which helps Grice separate intentional communication from mere evidence-giving. Grice: Caro Codronchi, dimmi la verità—la conversazione è davvero un gioco d’assardo, o basta un contratto firmato davanti all’Ara Massima perché nessuno bari? Codronchi: Grice, se parliamo all’Ara Massima, c’è sempre qualcuno che invoca Ercole e poi finisce per sbagliare la sponsio—ma almeno il vino non manca e nessuno si offende! Grice: Quindi il contratto è più dialogo che giuramento? Allora anche un accordo sul lancio dei dadi fa nascere una comunità, purché ci sia il testimone giusto e Romolo non si addormenti. Codronchi: Esatto, Grice! Basta che A dica la sua proposizione e B annuisca, e siamo tutti d’accordo—tranne Ercole, che magari preferisce una partita di briscola invece del gioco aleatorio! Codronchi, Nicola (779). Orazione recitata in Pisa nel capitolo generale dei cavalieri dell’ordine di S. Stefano. Firenze: Cambiagi.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Colagrosso – Ossia: Grice e Colagrosso: la stilistica conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale – la ragione conversazionale. Francesco Colagrosso (Foggia): la stilistica conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale – la ragione conversazionale. Grice: “C. is known for his work in the field of stylistics. La collocazione delle parole, an essay, is included in Questioni di stilistica, published by Giuse. Studi stilistici, a work in which C. gathered and republished essays he had written earlier. It also includes an appendix discussing the teaching of stylistics at the university level.LEOPARDI  e la lingua, suggests a re-issue or critical edition of his work on LEOPARDI. Futurismo in which C. engages with MARINETTI, estetica di VICO: Studi stilistici was criticised by CROCE.  Il vario disporsi delle parole nella proposizione non è un fatto semplice. Il pensiero vi riflette la sua vita; la lingua vi rivela la sua vicenda. Logico? Stililistico? l’ordine viene alla parole d’una relazione sintattica. Psicologico o intenzionale e quello per cui esse schieransi come si son presentate alla mente e succedute l’idea che esprime, pure d’inciampo, libero per sè stesso, cambia secondo l’occasione, ma rispetta il posto a cui la parola ha diritto in due modi: usuale l’ordine conforme alle comuni esigenze, od occasionale. All’ordine contribuisce pure la rispettiva loro accentuazione nel congegno della proposizione in grazia della quale la parola perde l’individualità e costrette ad appoggiarsi sminuite come è di significato a un’altra che le preceda o segua, e prende un posto fisso. L’italiano serve esclusivamente alla poesia, in cui inevitabile un ordinamento libero e più ardito delle parti del discorso. Il rimatore sente l’attrattiva e la portata dell’inversione, a passa talvolta i limiti imposti dal buon senso. Pannuccio: non manca a di sì gran valenza signoria provedenza. = non manca provedenza a signoria di sì gran valenza. libera collocazione delle parti del discorso presenta anche la prosa, lontanissime da ogni INTENZIONE d’arte come i ricordi di banchieri fiorentini Gli è che era tenace ancora l’impronta della jlingua madre, e nella struttura della proposizione e del periodo riecheggia l’abitudine dell’ uso de’casi, non smessa da troppo tempo. Grice: Caro Colagrosso, mi domando — la collocazione delle parole è davvero questione di buon senso, o il rimatore può permettersi ogni inversione, come chi mette il caffè prima dello zucchero? Colagrosso: Grice, ti assicuro che il rimatore è un acrobata della lingua — a volte salta i limiti imposti dal buon senso e finisce con una strofa che sembra una partita a scacchi giocata da Dante e Marinetti! Grice: Quindi in italiano, la poesia è il regno dell’ordinamento libero, ma in prosa, anche i banchieri fiorentini si divertivano a mischiare le posizioni delle parole come fosse una tombola lessicale? Colagrosso: Esatto, Grice! La lingua italiana è fatta per l’ardire — chiunque può cambiare l’ordine delle parole, basta che la provedenza non manchi alla signoria, e il senso arrivi come un espresso dopo pranzo! Collagrosso, Francesco (1883). Studj sul Tasso e sul Leopardi. Foli: Gherardi.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Colazza – Ossia: Grice e Colazza: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’iniziazione. Giovanni Colazza (Roma, Lazio): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’iniziazione. Grice: “Having gone to Clifton, I love C. He is into ‘iniziazione, specially in the equites of ancient Rome, but not much different from mine! Of course, Austin thought that the Saturday mornings should be held on Wednesday midnights at Parson’s Pleasure – we were into initiation!”  Si laurea a Roma. Esoterismo Antroposofiia. C. appresnde l'esigenza di seguire pratiche spirituali di concentrazione adatte al contesto, coltivando la via della coscenza.  iniziazione magia del noi EVOLA Colonna di Cesard. Kremmerz Sedute spiritiche che talvolta si protraano sino all'alba. INIZIAZIONE. VENERAZIONE E CALMA l’Iniziazione l’è consigliato. L’uomo così come nella vita quotidiana serve a poco per il mondo dello spirito. La nostra persona, di cui siamo coscienti, è solo un riflesso del nostro ‘noi’. È utile per giungere alla conoscenza del noi, distinguere e separare in noi il pensare che p, il sentire che p e il volere che p. Eurialo e Niso, che viveno nell’illusione di essere il suo ‘noi’ contingente. L’esoterismo e facile, se si conforta sempre donandoci personali indicazioni, circa gli esercizi e la pratica esoterica. Dobbiamo cercare quello che possiamo accogliere e applicare a noi stessi.   Non bisogna fraintendere il concetto di venerare con uno stato di esaltazione interiore dovuto all’insegnamento che il tutor ci può dare e che noi accettiamo per co-ercizione intellettuale o sentimentale: Il calore dell’anima è vita stessa pell’anima. L’accogliere freddamente contenuti spirituali, ci riempie soltanto il ‘noi’ di nozioni, senza far penetrare la forza dello spirito. La venerazione e il calore di nostre anime sono l’attività di nostre anime stesse. Bisogna aprirsi a tali rivelazioni della psicologia filosofica come dottrina dell’anima, con atteggiamento di venerazione. rito di passagio rito di iniziazione del giovane romano nel misterio, di Bacco Baccanalia sacrifizio di Bacco dolore e piacere, prosimno, la reazione della religione romana al mistero di Bacco toga virile. I read today that Colazza, the greatest Roman esoterist of all, took a laurea in “medicina e chirurgia.” It sounds, to an English ear, like an oxymoron masquerading as a curriculum. Is that the Roman idiom? I can scarcely manage my own credentials without blushing: a Bachelor’s in Literae Humaniores—already plural, already suspicious. Not one litera humanior, as if there were a single letter that happened to be “more human,” but letters, in the plural, and more human in the comparative—humaniores—as if humanity itself came in degrees, like port. I never cared for that comparative. Human, humaner, humanest: my son Timothy would say it with the cruel ease of the young, as if Latin were merely English in a toga. And perhaps that is the joke: Oxford insists on the plural where one expects the singular; Rome insists on the conjunction where one expects a unity. Medicina e chirurgia. Medicine and surgery. As if a surgeon could not be a physician; as if a physician could not be a surgeon. The plurality here is, in my idiom, contra-implicatural: it insists on the impossible distinction in order to convey, not merely two competences, but one competence doubled—cure and stitch, diagnosis and knife, bedside and theatre. One might have thought the “e” was merely additive. But no: it carries a whiff of separation, a faint bureaucratic implication that medicine might be one thing and surgery another, as if the one did not bleed into the other (and if surgery does anything, it bleeds). Yet perhaps that is precisely the Roman genius: to name jointly what practice keeps together, and by naming it jointly to remind you that practice has two faces. All roads lead to Rome, the proverb says, and perhaps some of them lead directly to Colazza’s consulting-room, where you are healed and sewn up in the same sitting. If you complain that you have come for one service and received two, the Roman will look surprised and say that you have misunderstood the “e.” It does not mean “and also”; it means “and therefore.” It is less a conjunction than a ritual binding—like their old toga virilis: you put it on once, but it implies a whole change of standing. In Oxford we hide our doubleness in Latin plurals; in Rome they proclaim it with an “and.” If I had been given a degree “in philosophy and classics,” I should have suspected a category mistake; yet I lived, for years, on precisely that misunderstanding. Greats is an institutional implicature. Colazza’s medicina e chirurgia may be the Roman version of the same trick: a degree-title that tells you, by its very form, that a human being is never just one thing—except, perhaps, in the prospectus.Grice: Caro Colazza, dimmi un po’—l’iniziazione è più una seduta spiritica all’alba o una toga virile passata tra amici? Colazza: Grice, la toga si indossa solo se hai resistito almeno tre ore di meditazione senza addormentarti, e la vera seduta spiritica comincia quando il tutor ti chiede di venerare e tu invece pensi a un caffè. Grice: Quindi se uno sbaglia rito di passaggio, rischia di ritrovarsi a celebrare Bacco con un bicchiere di acqua minerale? Non sarebbe meglio una magia del noi con un po’ di prosimno? Colazza: Grice, la vera iniziazione è quando ti apri alla venerazione e ti scaldi l’anima, ma se il calore ti porta al piacere invece che al dolore, allora magari è solo l’effetto della baccanalia romana e sei pronto per la toga virile! Colazza, Giovanni (1902). Laurea in medicina e chirurgia. Roma: Universita degli sdtudi di Roma, La Sapienza

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Colecchi – Ossia: Grice e Colecchi: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale. Ottavio Colecchi (Pescocostanzo, L’Aquila, Abruzzo): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale. Grice: “What I love about C. is that while he is a bad Kantian, he is an excellent Vicoian!” Studia ad Ortona,. Insegna a Napoli. Conosce Spaventa, Sanctis, Settembrini e Caracciolo. Il suo merito quello di con Galluppi, asserire il criticismo analisi un mezzo d'invenzione legge  analisi sintesi legge morale legge della ragione raziocinio e intuizione invenzione esercita maggior influenza la sintesi o l'analisi; giudizi necessari solo analitici; identità formale del raziocinio valevole a convertire il raziocinio empirico in raziocinio misto principio sul quale poggia il raziocinio quando classifica e istruisce; ideologiche logica pura e mista”;idea soggettiva non idea di un rapporto, spazio tempo; sensazione Psicologia, Gentile Genovesi Galluppi. All'insegna di Manuzio Tessitore Pessina sistemi idealismo  Fiorentino Nino La Marchi Amodeo Capograssi, Romano, Un antagonista del Galluppi: Cristallini, un filosofo da riscoprire,. Oldrini, Garin, LA SCESI, Vico e critica Dalla tomba della setta italica, tenendo dietro alle origini dell’antica massima d’azione, la regola di oro – la rifutazione all’eudaimonismo lizio e al utilitarismo lo no caduco, ius naturale artificiale virtu unica giustizia equittrice e rettrice commutativa distritutiva ordine arimmetico geometrico progression arimmetica geometrica base matematica amore interessato disinteresatto salvezza uomo cittadino, il genere umano massima universalisabile onesto forte prudente tolerante, virtu, vizio vero certo morale ordine agglomerazione sociale potesta naturale dominio tutela libero arbitrio passione autorita ubbidenza che il figio mostra al padre, il ruolo dell’avo, la societa di equali, il modello della societa romana societa dell’amicizia, Eurialo e Niso, L’Enneada, la lingua del contratto come requisite del patto sociale parola concetto, la formola verbum/res, res pubblica, communita, diritto comune, bene comune, l’ordine: primo stato dell’uomo in solitudine, l’ordine della famiglia: societa di inequali, terzo stadio:  tribu di Romolo, citta di Romolo, paese di Romolo, diritto universale di Vico Hampshire. St. John’s, 1955. Strawson is, as we say at Oxford, taking things far too seriously. He is deep in Kant—Bounds of Sense not yet in the world, but already in his manner—and he keeps trying to recruit my seminar as if it were a rehearsal for his future book. Oxford, of course, does not trust me with “modern philosophy” (I am, after all, merely M.A. Lit. Hum.), but Strawson is PPE, and therefore—by the local superstition—properly qualified to speak with authority about Königsberg. Anyway: he wants bibliography, bibliography, bibliography. So I did what one does when asked for a bibliography by a man who already has one: I produced a counter-example. I turned up at his rooms with a Bodleian find, a thin Neapolitan-looking item whose title alone sounded like a point against Oxford’s complacency: Colecchi, Memoria sulle forze vive (Napoli, 1810). “This man knew Kant,” I announced. Strawson looked at it as if it were a badly wrapped parcel. “So do I,” he said. “So will the people in your seminar,” I replied. “What are you talking about, Grice?” I repeated myself. “This man went to Königsberg. From Abruzzo—almost from the land where the lemon tree blooms—up to the very edge of Prussia, to see the Great Immanuel; and he nearly saw him die. If you want a credential, that is one.” Strawson was unimpressed. “Knowing Kant,” he said, “is not the same as having seen Kant.” “Quite,” I said. “But then neither is reading Kant the same as understanding Kant, which does not seem to stop anyone.” And I could not resist the title. “Look at it,” I said. “Forze vive. The ‘forces’ remain ‘alive.’ What more Kantian do you want? A dead force? A transcendental force? A force with a deduction attached?” Strawson smiled in that way he has when he thinks I am being comic but not entirely irrelevant. “Forze vive,” he said, “is eighteenth-century mechanics.” “Precisely,” I said. “And it is also a small philosophical moral: some things remain stubbornly alive even after a system has tried to legislate them into a category. Kant draws bounds; Italian provincials keep travelling past them. Colecchi’s ‘forces’ do not politely become ‘conditions of possibility.’ They go on pushing and pulling, regardless.” At which point Strawson, having enjoyed enough of my irreverence to feel superior, returned to his Kant and told me, with that air of patient correction, that what I really owed him was not Colecchi but a list—page numbers, editions, translations, a proper apparatus. And I, feeling charitable, promised him an apparatus—on condition he would admit, in return, that a man may misidentify “knowing Kant” as “having met Kant,” and yet by that very misidentification manage to identify the peculiar Oxford hunger for certificates. I felt a twinge of guilt about my own grandiloquence—about telling Strawson that Colecchi had “known” Kant. He knew him, of course, but only in the way one typically knows philosophers: by description. That is to say, through pages, reputations, and the public debris of a man’s thought. It is the same way Strawson knows Kant, and the same way his seminar audience will know him: not by acquaintance—to use the old Russellian cliché—but by a kind of cultivated hearsay. Still, the question remains: what on earth led Colecchi to leave the bright side of Europe—north of where the lemon tree blooms—if he knew perfectly well that Kant was dead? Why go to Königsberg at all? Was he hunting manuscripts? Had he mistaken philosophy for relic-collecting? Wouldn’t a clean university library loan have done—an orderly request, a parcel, and a receipt? And then I remembered that this was the nineteenth century. A “loan,” for a philosopher like Colecchi, was very often his own two legs. There was no polite machinery by which Oxford (or Naples, or Pavia) would post you the living Königsberg of Kantian scholarship. If you wanted the German, you went to where the German was. If you wanted to read Kant in the language in which Kant could be misread most efficiently, you went to the place where that language was spoken without apology. In that sense Colecchi’s journey is perfectly rational: not to meet a dead man, but to meet the conditions under which the dead man is still alive—teachers, libraries, habits of reading, and a vocabulary that does not first have to be translated into French in order to become respectable in Italian. So yes: he did not know Kant by acquaintance. But he did something that amounts, in the academic world, to the nearest substitute: he went to the source of the descriptions, to improve the description at its source. And that, I suppose, is exactly the kind of “misidentification” our seminar ought to admit as respectable: travelling to see a man whom one knows cannot be seen, in order to see what it is like to know him properly. And more: Abruzzo was calling him back—calling him, that is, in the way one’s province calls one back: not with a trumpet, but with obligations, kin, and the faint reproach of having gone too far north for too long. So the next thing Colecchi does is settle in Naples—Abruzzo being still too much countryside for a man who has brought home German metaphysics like contraband—and there he opens his little academy and begins to display his Kantiana with the proprietary air of a man who has been to the source. One might say, in the mildest and least offensive sense, that Colecchi became Naples’s Strawson: Naples’s local authority on Kant, a man who could recite the categorical imperative (and its several formulations) with something approaching the categorical—so that his Neapolitan students—Spaventa and company—could marvel at the Teutonicity of it all, as if “Königsberg” were itself a philosophical argument. I do not, of course, mean that Colecchi was a Strawson in style. He would hardly have worn the English ease; and Naples would not have tolerated it. What I mean is something more technical: that he functioned as a conduit. He made Kant speak in a city which, like Oxford, has its own prejudices about what counts as serious. And he did it with the one credential that matters to students more than arguments: he had gone there—he had seen the place—he had brought back the accent. In the 1800s, the accent was half the doctrine. And perhaps that is why Strawson’s transcendental slogan fits the story after all. Colecchi identifies Kant for Naples by misidentifying him slightly—by turning Königsberg into a kind of philosophical pilgrimage-site, and German into a kind of authority-garment. But without that slight misidentification, no identification would have taken hold: the students would have remained at the level of hearsay, and Kant would have stayed dead in Germany instead of becoming inconveniently alive in Naples.Grice: Caro Colecchi, mi colpisce come tu riesca a sposare il criticismo con la tradizione vichiana! Secondo te, nella ricerca filosofica, è più efficace l’analisi o la sintesi? Come si arriva all’invenzione vera? Colecchi: Grazie, Grice! Per me l’invenzione nasce dal dialogo tra analisi e sintesi. L’analisi illumina la ragione, la sintesi accende l’intuizione: solo dalla loro collaborazione si scopre la legge morale e si fonda la vera giustizia. Come dice Vico, la storia e la lingua sono i pilastri del patto sociale. Grice: Interessante! Mi incuriosisce la tua idea di ragione “mista”, capace di convertire il raziocinio empirico in uno universale. In una società, secondo te, qual è il fondamento etico più solido: il bene comune o il libero arbitrio? Colecchi: Ti dirò, Grice, che il vero fondamento sta nell’equilibrio tra bene comune e libertà personale. La virtù universale, come insegnavano gli antichi romani, si esercita nell’agglomerazione sociale, ma solo se ogni individuo è onesto, forte e tollerante. L’ordine nasce dalla parola, e la parola crea il contratto che ci lega come cittadini e amici. Colecchi, Ottavio (1810). Memoria sulle forze vive – Biblioteca analitica. Napoli

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Colletti – Ossia: Grice e Colletti: la ragione conversazionale e  l’implicatura conversazionale dei curiazi, ovvero, politica romana. Lucio Colletti (Roma, Lazio): la ragione conversazionale e  l’implicatura conversazionale dei curiazi, ovvero, politica romana. Grice: “I like C.– he takes political philosophy seriously unlike we of the Lit. Hum, not PPE school, at Oxford! But then he is a Roman and has all the Orazi and Curiazi traditions! Italian allows for some distinction that English doesn’t. There’s the opposto, combined of posto, posto is cognate with ponere, as in modus ponens, and it’s also the root for ‘positive’ (as opposed to negative, or strictly, togliere, tollere modus tollens to deny. So we have the posto and the opposto. On the other hand, there’s the ‘contra’, which translates ‘anti’ and apo-fasi becomes contradizione where dizione is cognate with deixis, and so to do with dictiveness and indicativeness than with vocalization/vox if with ‘vocation’ cf. my extended use of ‘utterance’ to include the characterization of something that need not be linguistic or conventional but a characterization of a deed or a product which may be a ‘sound’ among others. The Germans deal with the widerspruch but that’s THEIR problem. But after CICERONE, contrario becomes important. Il contrario and l’opposto then pretty much cover all I failed to see back with my ‘Negation and privation,’ and my later lectures on ‘Negation’ simpliciter. Both C. and I, allow for the good old tilde ‘~’ being all we need!”” Si laurea sotto VOLPE. Insegna a Roma. Socialista Idealista  Ideologia e società, ideologia. Dialettica e contraddizione politica, Croce, Ideazione, Preve, Comunista dialettica si propone di chiarire la «differenza tra opposizione o reepugnanza reale e contraddizione dialettica. radicalmente diverse: la prima senza contraddizione la seconda per contraddizione can combine. Idealism to go beyond the principle of non-contradiction instituted in VELIA curiazi, ovvero, filosofia romana, opposition, negazione, la contraddizione dialettica e la non-contraddizione idealismo Oxford Hegelian Square of Opposition Das Quadrat contradictum deicticness of the dictum contra anti antithesis apo-phasis ob-positum contrario opposto, contra-contraddizione dialettica ateniese oxonense. St. John’s, 1949. I was browsing the usual thick book of abstracts—the kind of volume that gives one the odd feeling that philosophy exists chiefly in summaries—when Strawson began telling anyone within range (the bodies who wished to hear it, and the bodies who did not) that I had been his tutor for the Logic paper, and that he had never ceased to learn logic from me—by contrast implying, with the politeness of youth, that Mabbott had been a bore. This sort of talk always lands, sooner or later, as a responsibility. If one is to be credited with a man’s logic, one is apparently answerable for whatever he later does with it. At exactly that moment I saw, in the abstracts, an Italian oxymoron in full dress: La logica di Croce—a newly minted laurea by a young Lucio Colletti. Laureato: Apollo crowning Daphne, metamorphosis into a credential. But “the logic of Croce” struck me as something more like “the geometry of fog.” Who, I wondered, was his supervisor? Not me, thank God. Croce—Croce of Naples—had spent his life demeaning Peano as a kind of blue-collar calculator, and Russell as an aristocratic rebel who hid behind Whitehead to produce that monument of industriousness called Principia Mathematica—echoing Moore’s Principia Ethica (or was it the other way round? Oxford titles have a way of breeding like rabbits). Croce’s tone is always the same: philosophy is spirit, the rest is bookkeeping. So what could it possibly mean to write La logica di Croce without bursting into laughter? And yet I could see what Colletti’s move might be—indeed, it is an admirable move if it comes off. Croce manages, from Naples, to dismiss Peano in Turin and get away with it; and the question is: by what internal economy, by what disguised order, can a man be so anti-logical and yet so systematically influential? Colletti’s wager, I take it, is that behind the declared contempt there is a working logic—just not the one Croce would ever allow to be named. [Editorial gloss, still in Grice’s tone] Croce is explicit, in that famous little Breviario di estetica (1913), about his impatience with mathematical formalism and the cult of “scientific” language; he treats such things as a symptom of not knowing what one is talking about—or, worse, of not knowing about what one is talking. (He writes as if category-mistake were a moral vice.) Colletti’s thesis, by contrast, reads Croce against his own rhetoric: not the logic of intuizione and espressione (the blood that runs through the aesthetic), but the logic of the concetto puro—which sounds, to me, like distilled water. And here my own pedantry intrudes: what is the chemical formula for “purified water”? One is tempted to write H₂O and be done with it; but the “pure concept” is not even as honest as water. Water at least admits of impurities. Croce’s “pure” has the peculiar property of meaning “not this,” “not that,” and “certainly not Peano,” while continuing to do a great deal of work in the background. So perhaps Colletti is right to call it “logic”—provided he means by “logic” not Principia, but the deeper sense in which a man’s exclusions reveal the form of his commitments. In that sense Croce’s anti-logical posture may be the surest clue to his logic: the logic of what he refuses to count as a thought. Logica come scienza del concetto puro” is Croce’s own banner-text—Croce prints it as such in 1909 (and, characteristically, calls it a “second edition” of his thought rather than of his essay). But what on earth is a concetto puro? The phrase looks as if it ought to mean “a concept purified of the messy stuff,” and this is why I find myself making silly chemical jokes about acqua purificata. Yet Croce’s “pure” is not the chemist’s pure. It does not mean “H₂O with the salts removed”—which, incidentally, remains H₂O and is only “pure” by a convention of laboratory scruple. Croce’s “pure” means something more like “not empirical,” “not classificatory,” “not the sort of generality that the natural sciences trade in.” It is puro as opposed to pseudoconcetto: not an abstraction that bundles similar things, but a philosophical universal that is meant to be immanent in every concrete case. [treccani.it], [storiadell...dofree.com] This is the point Colletti is presumably after. The easy caricature is that Croce has no logic because he dislikes Peano; the more interesting claim is that Croce has a logic precisely because his “logic” is not symbolic calculus but the doctrine of the concept—universal, concrete, and (to his mind) inseparable from history. In other words: the “purity” is not sterility but exemption from the wrong kind of impurity—numbers, measures, and the sort of precision that can be manufactured by notation. And this is where my water-joke becomes, if not less silly, at least more pointed. “Purified water” is still water; its purity is merely negative—a subtraction. Croce wants a “pure concept” that is positive—a form, a function, a universal that is present in every act of thinking. One begins, in Naples, by banning Peano; one ends, apparently, by calling the ban itself “logic.”Grice: Caro Coletti, ti confesso che la contraddizione mi affascina quasi quanto il prosciutto di Norcia! Dimmi, tra opposto e contrario, da romano quale sei, preferisci il tilde o l’anti? Coletti: Grice, se mi lasci scegliere, prendo il tilde per le negazioni veloci, ma quando serve serietà politica, meglio l’anti — così si sente subito l’eco dei Curiazi! L’opposto va bene per il caffè, il contrario per il Senato. Grice: Ah, allora occorre una dialettica da bar e una dialettica da tribunale! Forse la vera filosofia romana nasce tra il banco e il banco, la contraddizione fa bene solo se c’è un po’ di ironia. Coletti: Esatto, Grice! La contraddizione dialettica si risolve sempre con un brindisi, purché nessuno neghi il vino. E il principio di non-contraddizione? Solo se non c’è nessuno a contraddirlo! Colletti, Lucio (1949). La logica di Benedetto Croce.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Colizzi – Ossia: Grice e Colizzi: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale. Giovanni Colizzi (Norcia, Perugia, Umbria): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale. Grice: “By focusing on ‘desiderio,’ C. focuses on Thales who famously fixated on the stars, de-fixed from the ground! If I had to chose one philosophical word I adore is ‘desideratum,’ and C. tells it right – while Short and Lewis doubt it, to desire is like to con-SIDER, where the ‘sidus’ is involved!” De amore fundamenta mundis ac ethicae. C. s’è apprende attraverso i riferimenti in BRUNO e Mersenne. Il nucleo dela sua filosofia l'unione dell'idea del divino come amore con uno spunto, totalmente ri-adattato, di derivazione accademica, secondo cui il reale è emanazione, a partire da livelli di purezza e divino più elevati. Facendo dell'amore la caratteristica principale di divino  IVS PATER arriva a che il reale e l'amore. Derivare istanza di svelamento. Il fondamento divino dell'universo è l'amore. Il vero si consegue applicando questo principio ad una apparenza in modo da svelarne l’essere, il principio di amore – Grice: “Not to be confused with my principle of conversational self-love!” Il suo passo più celebre riguarda l'etimologia di desiderio, che collega a “de sidera”. Si siderale, il desiderio e qualcosa che percepiamo senza potere esprimere l'AMORE che da loro scaturisce, APPARENZA sotto la quale si cela un bisogno e scompare completamente solo una volta compreso il fondamento dell'essere nella mystica copulatio raggiungibile dalla filosofia. Une una istanza metafisica a un'istanza etica e cerca nel reale un’armonia di senso compito d’ogni uomo, scopertala, riprodurre e preservare. a’ miei AMANTI che avessero possute ottenere per quantunque grande mia benignitade. laodomia Quanto a quegl’AMANTI, io ti assicuro che come non sono ingrati alla sua maga Circe, pensieri et aspri travagli, per mezzo de quali son gionti a tanto bene. Così desidero, e spero. Grice: C. quotes Benedetto da Norcia’s emblematic maxim, praise the lord AND WORK – it rymes in Italian: ORA e LABORA. implicatura, eretici ortodossi infinito, universo e mondi prassi descensus application entis amore amore come fondamento del mondo e dalla morale. Grice: Caro Colizzi, dimmi la verità: quando guardi le stelle, pensi sempre al desiderio, o qualche volta ti distrai e ti viene fame? Colizzi: Grice, ti confesso che il desiderio è come la fame: nasce dalla distanza tra me e le stelle, ma se ci aggiungi un po’ di pane e una coppa di vino, diventa subito amore universale! Grice: Quindi l’amore è il vero motore delle galassie—altro che gravità! E se uno non trova il divino nell’universo, basta che lo cerchi nel forno di Norcia? Colizzi: Esatto, Grice! A Norcia le stelle si mangiano con il prosciutto, l’apparenza si svela solo dopo il terzo brindisi e l’unica vera implicatura è: ora e labora... ma anche ora e mangia, e magari sogna! Colizzi, Giuseppe (1763–1846) (Barnabita). Saggio analitico di giurisprudenza naturale e sociale. Perugia: Tip. Baduel (V. Bartelli), 1833

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Colli – Ossia: Grice e Colli: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’espressione. Giorgio Colli (Torino, Piemonte): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’espressione. Grice: “I love C. – his ‘filosofia dell’espressione’ is much more serious than my ramblings, well meant, though, on Peirce! I was only trying to be fashionable! At Oxford, they loved my lecture on ‘meaning,’ which got me into ‘implying,’ and eventually, ‘expressing.’ My unity developed – C. was born with it!” Si laurea a Torino sotto SOLARI con politicità accademica. Insegna a Pisa.  Scorge nella tradizione romana l'autentico logos a cui ritornare.  Lo stile, profondo e costellato d’aforismi taglienti, si caratterizza da un'attenzione maniacale alla musicalità del discorso. Filosofia dell'espressione fornisce, mediante una complessa teoria delle categorie e della deduzione, un'interpretazione della totalità della manifestazione come espressione di qualcosa, l'immediatezza, che sfugge alla presa della conoscenza. Comunque, ritiene che è possibile riguadagnare il fondamento metafisico del mondo portando il discorso filosofico ai suoi estremi limiti e d)mostrando la natura derivata del logos. Importante il suo contributo su i filosofi itali LEONZIO, VELINO, e GIRGENTI, e e le figure di Bacco ed Apollo, dismisura e misura. Al tentativo di interpretare gl’enigmi di questi culti a-logici, fra i quali quelli oracolari, viene fatta risalire l'origine remota della dialettica. La nascita della filosofia. La sapienza greca Eleusi, Orfeo, Museo, Iperborei, Enigma Epimenide, Ferecide, Talete, Anassimandro, Anassimene, Onomacrito Eraclito poem  Bhagavat-Gita Apollo romano L’appollo d’etruria mesura d’Apollo dismisura di Bacco enigma filosofico Velia Crotone implicatura di Prosimno implicatura di Baccco e Prosimno. Gl’implicatura di Bacco e Prosimno misterio di Bacco the fig tree branch phallus, self-sacrifice self-sodomisation not without pain, even with pleasure Higinus. symbolism the old shepherd erastes eromenos Bacco eromenon the symbolism of the promise to rescue her mother from hell the role of the widow female widow Bacco’s duty to keep his promise The echo of the sentence, ‘you probably passed it’ ‘the lake’ the grave. St. John’s, 1948. At the Admiralty we used to receive the Corriere della Sera and—unlike in college—actually read it. So today I made the odd exception of doing at St. John’s what war had trained me to do in Whitehall: take the paper seriously. It rewarded me at once with a title that looked, even in the middle of an Italian daily, like a password from the Pre‑Socratics: φύσις κρύπτεσθαι φιλεῖ. Colli, the author. I had not known him, and perhaps Hardie would have preferred it that way. Hardie, when he “did” the Pre‑Socratics, did them at speed—he said he “jumped” them—treating them as that preliminary bunch (he used a Scots turn) of lunatics whom Aristotle lists in the Metaphysics before proper philosophy begins. Heraclitus, especially, served as the sanctioned instance of obscurity: the “cryptic” one, as if philosophy had to pass through a fog-bank to earn its clarity. Colli, by contrast, appears to treat the fog-bank as the point. The piece is less about “not stepping into the same river twice” than about what it feels like to come out of a war and find one’s old metaphysical nouns still waiting on the page as if they had never been requisitioned. Nature loves to hide—and in 1948 one begins to suspect that this is not a Heraclitean flourish but a post-war social fact: everything that mattered during the war was hidden, and everything that is said afterwards is said in public as a kind of compensation. I confess I liked the cheek of it: a Greek maxim printed in Milanese newsprint, as if the Corriere were an annex of the Lyceum. And I liked, too, the grammatical economy—three words, and you can already feel my own future trouble with “meaning.” For φιλεῖ is not “means,” and κρύπτεσθαι is not “implies,” but the whole thing reads like a warning about both: if nature has a tendency to hide, then so do philosophers; and if philosophers hide, then one had better learn to distinguish what is stated from what is merely suggested. P.S. (to the “Physis” vignette) Wainwright—our man in the history of philosophy—tells me Colli did indeed take his degree before “the activities” (as we have learned, in our clipped post-war way, to call the years which Flanagan, in his memoirs, had the cheek to christen the “phoney war”—which was not phoney to anyone who had to sit through it). Colli’s graduation essay, it seems, was “Politicità ellenica e Platone”—and the joke, to an Oxford eye, begins at once: it was a degree in Giurisprudenza at Turin, supervised by Solari, and yet the subject reads like something our jurists would cross the street to avoid. We do not do that here. We keep our jurists well behind the walls of their own faculty, where they may safely discuss trusts, torts, and the price of coal without ever being tempted by the polis. I cannot imagine a man in our Faculty of Jurisprudence dedicating a single serious thought to Hellenic “policity” and Plato—unless he were confessing to a misspent youth. But then the Italians have a way of letting politics leak into everything: even the word conspires. Politicità looks like a pompous way of saying “polis,” but it carries, by a strange chain of foreignness, Plato’s politeia, which gives Italian politica, English policy, and—by one of those Roman twists that make etymology feel like fate—Cicero’s res publica standing in the background like an unwanted ancestor at dinner. Wainwright also says (with that tone of delegated blame historians enjoy) that I ought to blame not Colli so much as his tutor, Solari. I received this with the appropriate sarcasm. If we are to blame tutors for what their pupils go on to do, then I must be held responsible for every Strawsonian excess ever since 1939—since, in that year, Strawson first entered my room at St. John’s to become, officially, my tutee for the Logic paper, with Mabbott also in attendance like a second conscience. (It is an agreeable symmetry: 1939 is the year Colli is graduating in Turin, while Oxford is busy producing a future Waynflete professor by the homelier method of weekly essays and lukewarm tea.) But perhaps that is the point of the “natural” that has been bothering me. “Natural” is never merely biological in Oxford; it is also institutional. There are “natural sons,” and there are “natural tutees,” and the boundary between nature and nurture is about as tidy as the boundary between what is said and what is implicated. The Italians, at least, have the honesty to print the tutor’s name; we prefer to let the influence remain, like physis, politely hidden. And yes—one may as well add polizia. Wainwright is right that I should not over‑mystify Colli’s “politicità”: it is, after all, a thesis title, and thesis titles are built to look larger than the life that must defend them. Still, politicità is not merely “politics” in the party sense; it points back, pompously but genuinely, to Plato’s politeia—and that same Greek root has a habit of reappearing in modern life under darker uniforms: polizia, “police,” civic order turned practical. One begins with the polis and ends with policemen; it is a trajectory even Aristotle might have called “natural,” if only because it happens so often. The dates make a tidy symmetry. Colli takes his Turin degree in 1939; I am taken, the same year, into the Navy. He is taken into the Italian Army in 1940; I am taken into the Admiralty’s paper‑world. And then, after the war, he prints his Heraclitean sentence under the Corriere’s auspices (1948), at precisely the moment I have resumed the habit—learned in wartime—of actually reading what arrives on one’s desk. It is almost as if physis hid itself for the duration, and then reappeared when properly de‑commissioned. Wainwright says I may safely assume that Colli’s “politicità” was not merely an academic ornament. He took his Turin degree in 1939, and then came the years in which “politics” ceased to be a topic and became an atmosphere—one of those atmospheres you cannot quite refuse to breathe. One forgets, in Oxford, how little room there is elsewhere for the luxury of being apolitical; we treat politics as something one may discuss after dinner, whereas for an Italian of Colli’s generation it was often something that arrived before dinner in uniform, and did not ask whether one was free. This is where the word-play becomes less playful. Politicità points back, pompously but truly, to Plato’s politeia—to the polis as an order of life. But the same family of words has, in modern mouths, a harsher offspring: polizia; “police”; “policy.” Civic order, in other words, sliding into the apparatus that enforces it. We Englishmen are fond of pretending that “police” is simply a public convenience—like street-lamps—whereas in Italy, in those years, it could look less like a convenience than like fate. And perhaps that is the hidden ferocity behind Colli’s Heraclitus in 1948. Mussolini had been dead only since April 1945, and between the fall and the settling there was a period in which one might genuinely not know whose orders counted as “orders,” or what “law and order” meant beyond the fact that someone, somewhere, was insisting on it. If physis loves to hide, then so does politeia—and so does the coercive underside of it that one is not meant to name. We, insulated on our island, are not very good at hearing that undertone; we hear “politics” and miss the polizia. So the dates make an almost tasteless symmetry. Colli graduates in 1939; I am taken into service the same year. He is drawn, soon after, into compulsory obligations of another kind; I am drawn into mine. Then, after the great unravelling, he prints a Greek sentence in Milanese type (1948), and I—trained by the Admiralty to read what lands on the desk—find myself reading it not as a mere epigram about rivers, but as a post‑war remark about what disappears, and what returns, when it is finally permitted to return.Grice: Caro Colli, ti confesso che all’Oxford amavano la mia lezione sul “significato”, ma quando si trattava di “esprimere”, mi sentivo come un pesce fuor d’acqua. Tu invece nuoti come Bacco in una fontana! Colli: Grice, la filosofia dell’espressione non è solo una questione di stile, ma di musica! Bisogna ascoltare il logos come si ascolta una serenata romana: tra dismisura di Bacco e la misura d’Apollo, anche le parole ballano. Grice: E se ti capita di inciampare nello stile, basta un aforisma tagliente per tornare in pista! Ti è mai successo di perdere la musicalità e finire come Talete, che cadeva nella fontana mentre guardava le stelle? Colli: Ah, caro Grice, succede a tutti prima o poi! Ma quando il discorso filosofico arriva agli estremi, nasce l’enigma. E come diceva il vecchio pastore: “Se passi dal vino all’indovinello, almeno non perderai la strada... forse solo la sobrietà!” Colli, Giorgio (1939). Politicita ellenica e Platone. Gurisprudenza. Torino

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Collini – Ossia: Grice e Collini: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del naturismo -- naturalismo e naturismo. Cosimo Alessandro Collini (Firenze, Toscana): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del naturismo -- naturalismo e naturismo. Grice: “If you love birds, you love C. – he loved ‘pterodattili,’ though and made nice drawings of them, as they fought with ‘uomini’! I often wondered why the conte would flee his family seat in lovely Tuscany for the darker landscapes of the North – till I found out the reason: he had helped one of his noble friends (Ottavio) to do some evil-act on a nobile gentildonna (Malspina): so he had no choice!”.  Si laurea a Pisa Scontroso, spesso in litigio. A lui si deve la descrizione dello pterodactylus, un rettile volante, o pterosauro o pterodattilo. Narra Denina che, mentre ea Pisa, aiuta a Chelli nel ratto della marchesa Gabbriella Malaspina, sicchè dovette fuggirsene. Legge Boccaccio ed Ariosto. Ma nper una lettera nella quale scherzava su mad. Denis, si separa da Voltaire, che tuttavia continua a volergli bene e a corrisponder con lui; e sulle raccomandazioni del Voltaire passa al servizio dell'elettor palatino, che lo fece suo bibliotecario e segretario dell'Accademia di Mannheim. Scrive saggi sulla storia della Germania e su quella del Palatinato, ma più ch'altro di mineralogia. È lodato anche un suo volume di Lettres sur les Allemands, pubblicato anonimo a Mannheim, cui un altro dove seguirne sulla letteratura tedesca. E là dove aveva trovato una seconda patria e una onorevole residenza, mori nel 1806. All'Accademia,alla quale forse furono ascritti anche altri Ita liani oltre quelli ricordati qui e più addietro,e cui è da aggiun gere G. B. Morgagni, si riferisce questo brano di lettera del [C. stesso nel suo Mon séjour auprès de Voltaire. Grice: “Measles is natural, dying from it is not! Dahl’s daughter died from complications of measles – unnaturally so – poor child – God bless her soul.” naturalismo, naturismo, pterodattilo, filosofia, pisa, Firenze, nobilita, coira. Pterodattilo. Polemica filosofica, Domenico Eusebio Chelli, marchesa Gabbriella Malaspina, Voltaire e la Toscana, “Firenze come una nuove Atene”, Collini su Ariosto e Boccaccio, Collini makes fun of Voltaire’s daughter. Earliest composed (i.e., written) work we can date for Cosimo Alessandro Collini is not the pterodactyl note (1784) but his first historical treatise:  Discours sur l’histoire d’Allemagne — composed and published 1761 (Frankfurt), after Collini entered Palatine service (1760). [en.wikipedia.org], [deutsche-b...graphie.de]  Age of Collini in 1761: born 14 Oct 1727, so he is 33 (turning 34 that October). [en.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it] Place: Frankfurt (Koch und Esslinger). [en.wikipedia.org], [deutsche-b...graphie.de] Topic: historiography (German history), using materials he had helped gather for Voltaire’s Annales de l’Empire. St. John’s, 1955. We continue, Strawson and I, our seminar on misidentifications. Strawson, in one of his more alarming moods, is now offering what he calls—Kant in full regalia—a transcendental justification, and he formulates it with the air of having discovered a principle of drainage:  “Unless you can misidentify an object, you cannot identify it either.”  Potts is present, and does what Potts does: he supplies the irreverent question at exactly the point where the rest of the room begins to feel pious. “How so?” I told him (with the air of imparting a secret that only undergraduates think is secret) that over lunch yesterday we had been discussing precisely this, and Strawson had produced from his college library a copy of Collini’s Discours sur l’histoire d’Allemagne—1761. “But he was an Italian!” Potts said, as if that settled something. “Precisely,” I replied. “That was Strawson’s point—indeed, your point, though you don’t know it yet. A man does not write a discourse on Germany and call it Allemagne without thereby identifying himself, in the act, as someone writing under a certain flag.” Potts looked doubtful. “Don’t you mean misidentifying? Germany isn’t France.” “Depends on your point of view,” Strawson cut in, adopting the tone he reserves for what he thinks are my category-mistakes. “Take the opening sentence—one can hear the whole predicament in the very first move.” Here he produced, triumphantly, a sentence in French from Collini, and then pointed to a note in which Collini more or less confesses: he thought the thing out in his native Italian and rendered it into French to please the Palatine. “And was the Palatine pleased?” Potts asked. “Only in the sense in which Victoria was not amused,” Strawson said. “He was pleased as a sovereign is pleased by a useful servant—and then suspicious, as sovereigns are, of the servant’s usefulness.” For (so Strawson elaborated, enjoying himself), the Palatine—or someone around him—hastened to have Collini’s French turned into German, and then the whole thing began to look, from the German end, like betrayal: the Italian thinking in Italian, writing in French, about Germany, for a German prince. Three languages, one “subject,” and nobody quite at home. Potts, faithfully obtuse, tried to pin it down. “But if Collini was thinking in Italian, what was his discourse about?” Armstrong, who had wandered in and was sitting at the back with the expression of a man trapped in a drawing-room game, muttered, rather loudly, “Spare me.” “I’m merely curious,” Potts insisted. “All right then,” I said. “It was a discourse on the history of Germany.” Strawson concluded, with the air of having resolved Kant: “So we have three beasts. There is Collini’s Germania—his sermo mentalis, if you like; there is Allemagne, the French garment he puts on for court; and there is Deutschland, the Palatine’s own name for his own object. The misidentification is not an error; it is the condition of the identification. One cannot even get the thing into view without choosing a costume for it.” “Über alles,” Armstrong shouted from the back—either to end the discussion or to demonstrate, by a final misfire, that Germans do not help. Which, I suppose, is the moral of our seminar: not that we ought never to misidentify, but that misidentification is often the price of getting anything identified at all—especially once one adds language to the list of things we are trying to keep straight. P.S. (Grice, as an aside) Yesterday I kept thinking about Collini, and found a small note that may help Strawson misidentify things further—though, in truth, it is Collini who does the misidentifying, and does it with his eyes open. Collini knew perfectly well that his Germania was not the Allemagne he put on the title-page of his sermo exterior. His sermo interior, if one is allowed the old schoolmen’s phrase, was Tacitus’s Germania: the Romans’ convenient blanket for whatever lay beyond their comfort and their grammar. But Allemagne is already a choice—less Roman, more Frankish. “Allemands” are, as it were, the tribe the Franks like to oppose to themselves, a name that lets one pick out a salient enemy and call it a people. Collini, being an Italian with Voltaire behind him and a Palatine in front of him, takes the Frankish label because it circulates politely at court; and then—behind the politeness—continues to think, like Tacitus, that they are all barbarians anyway. This is the point at which the Count’s pedantry becomes a second lesson. To insist on turning Allemagne into Deutschland is not, in itself, metaphysical; it is merely native. And yet it is also a small philosophical nuisance, because Deutschland is not, in origin, the name of a territory so much as the name of a tongue: “the vernacular,” the speech of the people as opposed to Latin. Wainwright tells me (and I accept, faute de mieux) that it is cognate with Italian tedesco—which, tellingly, names the inhabitant (and the language) before it names the state. One becomes “German” by speaking German; only later does one become German by living in Germany. So the Count, by translating Collini into “Deutschland,” is in effect dragging Collini back from geography into philology—back from “Germany” as a historical object to “German” as a linguistic self-description. If you want the Italian cognates that hover behind this, they are the familiar ones: Alemanno (an Alemann), Allemagna / Alemagna (older for “Germany,” often in early modern Italian), alongside Germania (the learned, Latinising choice) and tedesco (the language/people-word). Collini’s title picks the French court-name; his mind remains Roman; the Palatine hears only the vernacular. Three labels, one object—and Strawson is right, for once: unless you can live with that sort of misidentification, you will never identify anything in Europe at all.Grice: Caro Collini, trovo affascinante come il tuo naturalismo si intrecci con il tuo amore per gli animali, in particolare gli uccelli e i pterodattili! Com'è nata questa passione e che ruolo ha avuto nella tua visione filosofica?  Collini: Grazie, Grice! Fin da giovane sono stato attratto dalla natura e dai suoi misteri. Gli pterodattili mi hanno sempre affascinato, perché rappresentano la libertà e la potenza della vita naturale. Osservare il volo degli animali mi ha insegnato quanto sia importante rispettare e comprendere il mondo che ci circonda, sia in filosofia che in scienza.  Grice: La tua vita sembra un vero romanzo: da Pisa a Mannheim, passando per la Toscana e la Germania! Hai incontrato personaggi illustri come Voltaire, ma anche vissuto avventure rocambolesche. Quanto ha influito tutto questo sul tuo pensiero, soprattutto riguardo al naturalismo e al naturismo?  Collini: Moltissimo, Grice! Le esperienze e i viaggi mi hanno permesso di osservare le diverse sfumature della natura umana e dei costumi. L’incontro con Voltaire, anche se a volte ironico, mi ha insegnato il valore della libertà di pensiero. Il mio naturalismo si fonda proprio sull’idea che ogni essere vivente meriti rispetto e che la filosofia debba essere vissuta come uno sguardo aperto e curioso sul mondo. Collini, Cosimo Alessandro (1727). Discours sur l’historie d’Allemagne.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Colombe – Ossia: Grice e Colombe: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale di Galilei – Aristotele e la stella nuova. Ludovico delle Colombe (Firenze, Toscana): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale di Galilei – Aristotele e la stella nuova. Grice: “If you love stars, as any philosopher must – vide Thales! – you LOVE C. who refuted Kepler’s idea that the thing next to the serpentary’s foot was a ‘star,’ never mind ‘nova’!” Noto per essere stato uno strenuo avversario di Galilei.  Non si sa quasi nulla della sua vita, ma restano diverse sue saggi, nelle quali difende la dottrina aristotelica con un particolare disinteresse sia verso le nuove osservazioni sia verso la coerenza logica.  Scrisse un discorso sulla nuova stella apparsa sostenendo che si tratta di una stella non nuova, ma esistente da sempre. Scrisse un discorso Contro il moto della Terra.  Per conciliare le osservazioni di Galilei sulle irregolarità della superficie lunare con la concezione aristotelica della perfetta sfericità dei corpi celesti sostenne che le valli e gli spazi tra i monti della luna sono colmati da un materiale perfetto e invisibile. Contrario all’idrostatica archimedea recuperata da Galileo, nel suo Discorso apologetico, sostenne che il galleggiare o l’affondare dei corpi dipendesse dalla loro forma. Nella conclusione del discorso usa anche una metafora di questa teoria, affermando che le ragioni dell'avversario per essere troppo argute e sottili vanno a fondo senza speranza di ritornare a galla, mentre quelle di Aristotele, per essere di forma larga e quadrata, non possono affondare in nessun modo. Sono rimaste anche lettere tra C. e GALILEI che stima pochissimo il suo avversario, che soprannominato “Pippione”. Vari accenni a questo personaggio sono nella corrispondenza tra Galilei e i suoi amici. Amici e nemici di Galilei, Milano, Bompiani. Aristotelismo. La Stella Nvova.  Grice: “If I had to choose between Colombe-Aristotle to Galiei-Plato, I chose the former!” the irregular surface of the moon is filled by an invisible substance, the earth does not move, the ‘nuova’ stella is a misnomer: it has always existed; bodies float or sink according to their shape. Aristotle’s reasons never sink because they are square. Title (Italian, full early-modern style): Discorso … nel quale si dimostra, che la nuova stella apparita l’ottobre passato 1604 nel Sagittario non è cometa, né stella generata o creata di nuovo, né apparente, ma di quelle che furono da principio nel cielo. Topic: Aristotelian/Ptolemaic defence against the implications of the 1604 supernova (argues it was not really “new”). St. John’s, 1953. Today I took an almost‑manuscript to our seminar—Strawson and I are doing “Categories” again, which means, in practice, that we are doing misidentifications and calling them “categorial mistakes” so that the undergraduates will feel guilty rather than merely confused. I thought the day’s topic deserved a prop, and props are one of the few things the Bodleian provides without asking for an argument in return. The prop was Ludovico delle Colombe’s Florentine tract, with a title that does most of the work by itself:  Discorso nel quale si dimostra, che la nuova stella apparita l’ottobre passato nel Sagittario non è stella generata o creata di nuovo.  We were, as it happened, discussing “misnaming”—cases where a thing is called X and then, with a straight face, shown not to be X. Colombe’s title is the pure form: “the new star is not newly a star.” Strawson approved (not that the audience matters, really), because the semantic itch is irresistible: it begs to be rewritten in a more Oxonian idiom—shorter, tidier, and less asphyxiated by subordinations. Lemmon would have insisted on the pedantry: a discourse to demonstrate that the ‘new star’ is not so. Strawson’s version was better, because it keeps the rhetorical sting without the scholastic wheeze: A discourse to prove that the ‘new star’ is no star. And then D. M. Armstrong—a colonial from Australia, prompt as ever—supplied the phrase that Oxford lacks but always wants: “What we call down under a mere misnomer.” “Yes,” I said, “but Ludovico’s difficulty is that he had no scare‑quotes.” That is the whole trouble with Florentine printing. Nella stamperia de’ Giunti they could do italic, they could do capitals, they could even do those ornamental flourishes that make a title page look like a piece of ecclesiastical furniture—but they did not have the one modern device that saves a philosopher from looking contradictory: quotation marks used as warning labels. If Colombe had had our typographical sophistication, he could have written what he meant without seeming to contradict himself:  Discorso nel quale si dimostra che la “nuova stella” non è nuova (e, in un senso, non è “stella”)  —which is to say: the “new” is a bit of talk, not a bit of heaven. The title is really an early lesson in how much mischief is done by the absence of a small mark. Armstrong, of course, wanted to turn it into metaphysics: “So,” he said, “is ‘star’ here a natural kind term or a classificatory convenience?” Strawson began to look pleased, because nothing delights him more than a dispute that sounds like grammar and turns out to be ontology. I, meanwhile, was thinking of the more practical moral: that a great deal of philosophical trouble—then as now—comes from not being able to signal, on the surface of the sentence, that one is using a word with one’s fingers crossed. The Florentines lacked scare‑quotes; we have them—and still we misidentify. That, I told the seminar, is what makes “Categories” worth doing: not because Aristotle gives us a list, but because we keep producing titles like Colombe’s in ordinary speech and then spend the rest of our lives trying to undo the implicatures we have accidentally printed.Grice: Caro Colombe, mi racconti la storia della “stella nuova”? Davvero pensi che sia solo una vecchia conoscenza mascherata da novità? Colombe: Grice, le stelle non si inventano: quella era lì da sempre! Galilei ha solo messo gli occhiali nuovi, ma la stella non si è mai spostata. Grice: E la luna, allora? Le montagne e le valli, secondo te, sono solo dettagli invisibili? Non ti viene voglia, ogni tanto, di immaginare che ci sia un po’ di polvere magica lassù? Colombe: Ah, Grice, la luna è perfetta, altro che polvere! Le irregolarità sono solo illusioni, riempite da una materia invisibile. Se vuoi galleggiare tra i filosofi, meglio essere quadrati come Aristotele: così non si affonda mai! Colombe, Ludovico delle (1604). Discorso nel quale si dimostra, che la nuova stella apparita l’ottobre passato nel Sagittario non è stella generata o creata di nuovo, né apparente, ma di quelle che furono da principio nel cielo. Firenze: Giunta

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Colombo – Ossia: Grice e Colombo: l’implicatura conversazionale dell’idealismo. Giuseppe Colombo. Merton, Sub-Faculty of Philosophy, 1959. At Merton for the Examination Board I find myself leafing, as one does between committees, through the thick volume of continental abstracts—freshly arrived, heavy with names and accents, and printed with the sort of confidence only the Continent can afford. And there, among the theological proceedings, I stumble on a Giuseppe Colombo now described as laureato. That Italian word never fails to trigger in me the wrong mythology. Laureato: Apollo, Daphne, laurel. One thinks not of degrees but of metamorphoses—Daphne turned into laurus, and a young man “crowned” by turning into an adjective. But the matter at hand is less poetic and more in my line: natura and soprannatura—the natural and the supernatural—which I, out of stubbornness, prefer to recast as the natural and the non-natural. It has the advantage of sounding less ecclesiastical and more like something one might discuss in an Oxford seminar without immediately summoning a chaplain. The thesis title is magnificently on point: Natura e soprannaturale nella filosofia di Maurice Blondel—and then, like a clerical afterthought, an explanatory tail about “the supernatural in contemporary theology.” All very Milanese: the metaphysical question tied to a proper name, the proper name tied to a tradition, the tradition tied back to a faculty. The only detail that gave me a moment’s suspicion was the line marked direzione: Carlo Colombo. “Carlo Colombo,” I said to myself. “Is this natural?” It sounded like the kind of thing Oxford would call a category mistake: Colombo directing Colombo, as if the thesis had been supervised by a surname. Of course, the moment one begins to sneer at Italian names, Oxford exacts its revenge. We have been doing it ourselves for years—only with less melodrama and better timetables. Fathers and sons in the same subject; tutors and tutees exchanging roles; the whole place running on genealogies disguised as examinations. If the Italians can have a Colombo under a Colombo, we can have a Strawson under a Strawson. The difference is that Italy prints it on the title page, while Oxford pretends it is all impersonal, all “merit,” and then serves you tea with the same people for fifty years. And in any case, the subject—natural and supernatural—is precisely one of those topics where the very distinction is half the battle. In theology it is a doctrine; in philosophy it is a temptation: to treat “supernatural” as if it were a species of “natural” with better manners. My own prejudice—if I may dignify it—is that the supernatural is either a different game altogether or else a polite way of talking about what we cannot explain. Calling it “non-natural” at least makes it harder to smuggle into physics by changing the font. So I closed the volume rather gratefully. It is useful, now and then, to be reminded—by a Milanese dissertation, printed with Papal seriousness—that one may spend a lifetime debating “meaning” and “implicature” and still end up circling the same old question: what counts as natural, and what we do when it doesn’t. “It amused me that the thesis was ‘under the direction of Carlo Colombo’: a supervision that reads, at first glance, like a family relation. But here ‘natural’ is not genealogical; it is scholastic—‘son’ by formation, not by blood: nature as nurture, with a chair instead of a cradle. And there is something slightly soprannaturale about it too—though only in the Italian sense, where the supernatural is often what survives once the natural has been exhausted. With the Colombos we must be careful. One’s eye is tempted by the recurrence of the surname—direzione: Carlo Colombo—to read a family drama into a mere academic one. But the documentary fact is simpler and, in its own way, more interesting: it is a relation of formation, not of blood; a “sonship” conferred by supervision. If one wants to call that “natural,” one must do so with one of those scholastic winks: natural as in appropriate, not as in begotten. Still, the pun is too good to waste, and Oxford invites it. For if ever there was a case where “natural” and “instilled” can be made to coexist without contradiction, it is surely Strawson and his philosophical offspring. One can suppose—without offence to metaphysics—that Strawson had a natural tendency towards philosophy; but one can also see that such a tendency becomes, by the time it reaches the next generation, a kind of domestic soprannaturale: not miraculous, exactly, but transmitted in that peculiar English way in which one’s “nature” is cultivated at the breakfast table, in book-lined rooms, and in the slightly coercive kindness of being expected to talk sense. The son is “natural” enough—begotten, in the ordinary sense—but the inheritance is also, in the Italian idiom, soprannaturale: it arrives by a process half biological, half tutorial, with an air of inevitability that is not quite causal and not quite contractual. Which is only to say: Oxford is excellent at turning nature into nurture while continuing to call it nature; and theology, when it speaks of natura and soprannatura, is sometimes only making explicit the very trick Oxford performs in silence.”Laurea / thesis (theology)  Degree: laurea in Teologia (Pontificia Facoltà Teologica di Milano) Defense date: 22 November 1955 [ftismilano.it] Supervisor (“direzione”): Carlo Colombo [ftismilano.it] Thesis title (as published): Natura e soprannaturale nella filosofia di Maurice Blondel (il soprannaturale nella teologia contemporanea) [ftismilano.it], [it.wikipedia.org] Published version (Milano): 1957, Pontificia Facultas Theologica Mediolanensis (series “Thesis ad lauream”). [ftismilano.it], [ftismilano.it]. Colombo, Carlo (1957). Il soprannaturale.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Colonna – Ossia: Grice e Colonna: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazional. Egidio Colonna (Roma, Lazio): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazional. Grice: “I like C.!” : He supports Pope Boniface VIII in his quarrel with Philip IV of Franc eand that was a bad choice.”  Must say I LOVE C., or COLVMNA as the printing goes – of course the “Corriere della Sera” hastens to add that he wassn’t one! In any case, my favourite of his tracts is of course the one on the lizio!”. Studia sotto AQUINO. Insegna filosofia. C. criticizes AQUINO. He held that essence and existence are really distinct in creatures, but described them as “things”; that prime matter cannot exist without some substantial form; and, early in his career, that an eternally created world is possible. He defended only one substantial form in composites, including man.” A bestseller of the Low Middle Ages!” Cosnisder the claims here: ‘essence and existence are really distinct in creatures – and each is a thing – prime matter cannot exist without substantial forml – eternal and created world is not a contradiction – there is only ONE substantial form in compostes, including man. Doctor fundatissimus.. Tutore di Filippo al quale dedica De regimine principum, sostene la monarchia come forma di governo. D’ispirazione accademica, attivo  nella politica sul rapporto tra potere temporale ed spirituale. Ricordato, con Giacomo da Viterbo, pella bolla Unam Sanctam di e De ecclesiastica potestate quale teorico della plenitudo potestatis pontificia. Il De regimine principum e di ispirazione lizio alla AQUINO inerente alla naturalità dello stato, difensore della potestas regale. Nel De Ecclesiastica potestate afferma la superiorità del sacerdotium rispetto al rex, teocrazia papale. Difende AQUINO. Gli avversari del papato trovano nel lizio gli strumenti per svolgere un'analisi politica che mette in discussione il sacralità del potere. stato piano spirituale Civitas Cælestis e piano temporale della vita terrena Civitas Peregrina, due città partito del apa Rivendica la plenitudo potestatis come costitutiva dell'auctoritas del Papa in quanto homo spiritualis. conversazione cortese, conversazione gentile, padre/figlio amore naturale principe cavalleria cavaliere, cavalier attitude, mplicature. St. John’s (late 1950s). Potts has been attending Kneale’s seminar—“the Kneales,” as he insists on calling them, with a punctilio that suggests two minds in one gown—and he came back today brimming with enthusiasm for their enthusiasm over Egidio Colonna, whom Lorenzo Minio-Paluello (and Potts, on his authority) insists on calling Aegidius Romanus. Apparently one must Latinise one’s Italians before they become respectable enough to discuss. “I expect Kneale dwelt on the metaphysics too?” I said. “And rightly so,” Potts replied—his new refrain, borrowed from Martha’s tone. “The main lesson,” he continued, “was the 1277 Condemnation, and how it changed the whole atmosphere. Colonna wrote a corollary under Aquinas—under Aquinatus, as Minio-Paluello would have it—that, after 1277, has to be rewritten as something more cautious, more ‘theorematic,’ if you like. You see it in the Theoremata.” “Theoremata—plural?” I asked. “Two of them? One on esse, one on essentia?” Potts brightened, as if I had passed a small test. “Exactly. And then the fight begins. Are they the same? Martha says no; William says yes. Martha says essentia should be rendered as ‘beingness’—and William says that’s Heideggerian nonsense.” “And rightly so,” I put in, because sometimes one must intervene simply to keep the Germans from annexing the thirteenth century by translation. “But explain this to me,” I said. “How can a condemnation change the topic? A bishop condemns, and suddenly esse and essentia become more interesting?” Potts, now very Knealean, gave me the lecture. Not that the bishop condemned esse (which one can hardly do without condemning everything), but that he condemned certain ways of speaking—Essence with a capital E, as Martha theatrically put it—certain temptations to treat metaphysics as if it were physics with better manners. And Aquinas, Potts said (though I suspect this was Potts’ embroidery), was disappointed that Colonna, an Italian like himself, should align himself with the Parisian atmosphere rather than with the Roman temper which later ages would dignify as “the Angelic” and reward with a university named after him. “Continental philosophy,” I remarked, “is always a quarrel about who may capitalise what.” Potts looked wounded, as if I had insulted a saint. “Not continental,” he corrected. “Scholastic.” “Very well,” I said. “Scholastic: a quarrel about capitals, pursued with footnotes.” And then, because Oxford cannot keep serious for long without feeling it has become foreign, I sent him back to my own preoccupations. “Now,” I said, “go on. You were going to tell me how this bears on my proposed catalogue of conversational maxims—benevolence and self-love and all that Butlerian apparatus you think I’m building. Unless, of course, you mean to propose a Theorema de esse et essentia of conversation: one theorem for what is said, another for what is meant.” Potts laughed—politely, and perhaps with relief that we were back on English ground—while I reflected (privately) that the medievals at least had the decency to let a bishop do their policing. We manage it ourselves, by seminar.Grice: Caro Colonna, devo dire che tra essenza ed esistenza, io mi perdo spesso… tu invece le hai messe pure come “cose”! Ma non ti sembra che la materia prima faccia fatica a sopravvivere senza un po’ di forma, magari quella di un buon bicchiere di vino? Colonna: Grice, in tutto c’è una sostanza, anche nel vino, ma solo una forma sostanziale: quella che fa la differenza tra un filosofo e un cavaliere! E poi, se il mondo fosse eterno e creato allo stesso tempo, almeno avremmo più tempo per discuterne… Grice: Mi hai quasi convinto, Egidio! Ma dimmi: se il Papa ha la plenitudo potestatis, chi decide se il potere spirituale o temporale deve servire la pasta asciutta o il pane benedetto? Colonna: Grice, la conversazione cortese insegna che il principe deve saper amare come un padre, ma il Papa, in fondo, ha sempre il diritto di benedire… anche la pasta, purché sia al dente! E se la cavalleria manca, almeno resta la gentilezza. Colonna, Egidio (1278). Theoremata de esse et essentia.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cominio – Ossia: Grice e Cominio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cominio. The Cominii were a family at ancient Rome, which appears in history from the Republic to imperial times. The first of this gens to hold the consulship was Postumus C. Auruncus, and from this some scholars have inferred that the Cominii were originally PATRICIAN; but all of the later Cominii known to history were plebeians. The surname Auruncus, borne by the consul, suggests that the Cominii might have been of Auruncan origin, although if this were so, the family had reached the highest level of Roman society by the beginning of the Republic. However, there could be other explanations for this cognomen. This early consulship implies that the family was once numbered amongst the PATRICIANS, although in the later Republic all of the C. seem to have been plebeians.  It may be that the family passed over to the plebeians during the fourth or fifth centuries BC, or that the patrician branch of the gens became extinct. Alternatively it has been suggested that the earliest consuls included members of a number of plebeian families, and that plebeians were not formally excluded from the office until the passage of the Twelve Tables. Furthermore, Valerius Maximus suggests that the nomen of Auruncus is uncertain, and that he might instead have belonged to the Postumia gens, although modern historians agree that Postumus was most likely his praenomen.The main praenomina of the Cominii were Lucius, Publius, and Gaius, all amongst the most common names at all periods of Roman history. Other praenomina used by this gens include Marcus, Quintus, and Sextus. Postumus, known from the first of the Cominii to hold office at Rome, was an ancient praenomen,[3] sometimes erroneously amended to the nomen Postumius. Another Cominius is found with the praenomen Pontius, evidently a variation of Pompo, the Sabine equivalent of Quintus, rather than the nomen Pontius,[4] although in some sources he is Gaius. The first of the family known to history bore the surname Auruncus, suggesting some connection with the Aurunci, a people who lived to the southeast of Latium.[6] Such cognomina belong to a large class of surnames derived from the names of towns, regions, or peoples.[7] Whether the cognomen should be interpreted as meaning that the family migrated from there to Rome under the kings, or whether the consul of 501 BC acquired it as a personal surname is unknown, but the Romans fought against the Aurunci beginning in 503.[6] None of the other Cominii of the Republic is mentioned with any surname, but a variety of personal surnames appears among the Cominii of the Empire. Cominius Suber, a legendary figure from Laurentum, and the husband of Egeria, according to Dositheüs.[i] His second wife, Gidica, hanged herself after being spurned by her stepson, whom she falsely accused in a suicide note. Cominius then prayed to Neptune to cause his son's death. Postumus Cominius Auruncus, consul with Titus Larcius in 501 BC. During their consulship, the Latin League withdrew from its alliance with Rome, led by Octavius Mamilius of Tusculum, the son-in-law of Tarquin the Proud, who yet sought to recover his kingdom. C. was consul a second time with Spurius Cassius Vecellinus during the first secession of the plebs.[10][11][12] Pontius Cominius,[iii] a youth celebrated for swimming the Tiber and conveying messages back and forth between the Capitol and the army during the Gallic occupation of Rome. In one account, he brought word of the army's return to drive out the Gauls; in another he conveyed the senate's appointment of Camillus as dictator to the general at Veii. Lucius C., a military tribune in the army of the dictator Lucius Papirius Cursor, in 325 BC.[15][16] C., a tribune of the plebs during the Third Samnite War, accused the military tribune Gaius Laetorius Mergus of attempting to seduce a cornicularius serving under him, then attempting to force himself upon his subordinate. Laetorius was condemned to death. Publius Cominius P. f., a quaestor named in an inscription from Venusia in Samnium, dating from the second or third century BC.[20][21] C., commander of a troop of cavalry in the army of Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus in Hispania, in 178 BC.[22] Sextus C., an eques abused by Verres.[23][24] Publius C., a native of Spoletium, was a notable orator and friend of TULIO Cicero. He and his brother accused Gaius Cornelius, tribune of the plebs in 67 BC, who was successfully defended by Tullio Cicero.[25][26][27] Lucius or Gaius Cominius, the brother of Publius, in whose accusation of Gaius Cornelius he joined.[28][27] Quintus C., one of GIULIO Caesar's officers, was captured together with Lucius Ticida by VERGILIO, one of Pompeius' commanders, near Thapsus while they were crossing over to Africa in 47 BC.[29][30] Lucius C., a Roman senator appointed by Augustus to assist Marcus Valerius Messalla Corvinus in his superintendence of the aqueducts.[31][32] Gaius Cominius, an eques, wrote a libellous poem about the emperor Tiberius, but was pardoned by the emperor at the entreaty of his brother, a senator, in AD 24.[33][34] C. Proculus, governor of Cyprus during the reign of Claudius, was likely the same senator who interceded with Tiberius on behalf of his brother, the eques Gaius Cominius. An inscription referring to a proconsul named Titus C. Proculus, the son of Titus, is a forgery, but may have been partly copied from a genuine inscription.[33][35] Gaius C. Aufillenus Minicianus, dedicated an inscription at Brixia in Venetia and Histria, dating between the late first and late second century, to his dear friend, Publius Statius Paullus Postumius Junior, an eques who had been a quaestor, military tribune, and governor of Africa Proconsularis. Gaius C., dedicated an inscription in Germania Superior, dating from the second or third century, for the welfare of the emperor. He may have been a person of some importance, but his position is not mentioned.[38] Marcus C. Secundus, consul suffectus in AD 151, with Lucius Attidius Cornelianus.[39][40] C.  Bonus Agricola Laelius Aper,[iv] a military tribune in the Legio I Adiutrix, also served as prefect of a cohort at Bracara Augusta in Hispania Tarraconensis, and of an ala in Mauretania Caesariensis, among other appointments commemorated in an inscription from Arelate in Gallia Narbonensis, dating from AD 169.[41][42] Publius C. P. f. Clemens, an eques of the late second century, had a distinguished military career as military tribune in the Legio II Adiutrix, and later admiral of the Classis Misenensis and Classis Ravennas. He was also governor of Lusitania and Dacia. His wife's name may have been Desticia Plotina.[43][44][45][46] Lucius C. L. f. Maximus, a centurion primus pilus, had served in the Legio II Traiana Fortis, urban cohorts, vigiles, and Praetorian Guard. He was buried at Tibur in Latium, aged eighty-two years, eighteen days, in a tomb dedicated by his wife, Numitoria Moschis, dating from the late second or early third century.[47][48] Lucius C. Vipsanius Salutaris, a native of Rome, was governor of Sicilia and Hispania Baetica, after having filled several lesser offices, and was summoned to Rome to serve on the emperor's council in AD 195.[49][50] Cominia L. f. Vipsania Dignitas, a woman of senatorial rank, and perhaps the daughter of Salutaris, was one of the priestesses of Diana at Allifae during the early third century.[51][52] See also List of Roman gentes Notes  The author of a history of Italy consulted by Plutarch.  A nearly identical story, related by Plutarch together with that of Cominius and his son, was told of Hippolytus, son of Theseus.  Plutarch calls him Gaius Cominius. Here Pontius seems to be a variant of Pompo, the Sabine or Oscan equivalent of Quintus.  Previously read "Cominius Boëthius Agricola Aurelius Aper". References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, p. 815 ("Cominia Gens").  Valerius Maximus, De Nom. Rat.  Chase, p. 150.  Petersen, "The Numeral Praenomina of the Romans", p. 348 (note 4).  PW, "Cominius", No. 10.  Edward Bunbury, "Aurunci", in Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography, vol. I, p. 343.  Chase, pp. 113, 114.  Plutarch, Parallela Minora, 34.  PW, "Cominius", No. 23.  Livy, ii. 18, 33.  Dionysius, v. 50, vi. 49.  PW, "Cominius", No. 16.  Livy, v. 46.  Plutarch, "The Life of Camillus", 25.  Livy, viii. 30.  PW, "Cominius", No. 7.  Valerius Maximus, vi. 1. § 11.  Dionysius, xvi. 4.  PW, "Cominius", No. 2.  CIL IX, 439.  PW, "Cominius", No. 12.  Appian, Hispanica, 43.  Cicero, In Verrem, iv. 10.  PW, "Cominius", No. 14.  Cicero, Pro Cluentio, 36; Brutus, 78.  Asconius Pedianus, In Ciceronis Pro Milone.  PW, "Cominius", Nos. 4, 8.  Cicero, Pro Cluentio, 36.  Caesar, De Bello Africo, 44, 46.  PW, "Cominius", No. 13.  Frontinus, De Aquaeductu, 99.  PW, "Cominius", No. 9.  Tacitus, Annales, iv. 31.  PW, "Cominius", No. 5.  PW, "Cominius", No. 21.  CIL V, 4129.  PW, "Cominius", No. 15.  PW, "Cominius", No. 6.  Eck, "Die Fasti consulares der Regierungszeit des Antoninus Pius", p. 76.  PW, "Cominius", No. 22.  AE 1981, 400.  PW, "Cominius", No. 17.  CIL V, 8659.  AE 1890, 151.  Alföldy, "Römische Statuen in Venetia et Histria", 85, 125, 126.  PW, "Cominius", No. 19.  CIL XIV, 3626.  PW, "Cominius", No. 20.  CIL II, 1085.  PW, "Cominius", No. 24.  CIL IX, 2336.  PW, "Cominius", No. 26. 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Theodor Mommsen et alii, Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum (The Body of Latin Inscriptions, abbreviated CIL), Berlin-Brandenburgische Akademie der Wissenschaften (1853–present). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1854). René Cagnat et alii, L'Année épigraphique (The Year in Epigraphy, abbreviated AE), Presses Universitaires de France (1888–present). August Pauly, Georg Wissowa, et alii, Realencyclopädie der Classischen Altertumswissenschaft (Scientific Encyclopedia of the Knowledge of Classical Antiquities, abbreviated RE or PW), J. B. Metzler, Stuttgart (1894–1980). George Davis Chase, "The Origin of Roman Praenomina", in Harvard Studies in Classical Philology, vol. VIII, pp. 103–184 (1897). Hans Petersen, "The Numeral Praenomina of the Romans", in Transactions of the American Philological Association, vol. xciii, pp. 347–354 (1962). Géza Alföldy, "Römische Statuen in Venetia et Histria" (Roman Statues in Venetia and Histria), in Epigraphische Quellen, Heidelberg (1984). Werner Eck, "Die Fasti consulares der Regierungszeit des Antoninus Pius, eine Bestandsaufnahme seit Géza Alföldys Konsulat und Senatorenstand" (The Consular Fasti for the Reign of Antoninus Pius: an Inventory since Géza Alföldy's Konsulat und Senatorenstand), in Studia Epigraphica in Memoriam Géza Alföldy, Werner Eck, Bence Fehér, Péter Kovács, eds., Bonn, pp. 69–90 (2013). Categories: CominiiRoman gentes What would be your first choice for a Grice/Speranza vignette for this gens? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cominio – Ossia: Grice e Cominio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cominio. My first choice is overwhelmingly Pontius (or Gaius) Cominius, the young man who swims the Tiber during the Gallic occupation of Rome and carries messages between the besieged Capitol and the Roman forces outside. Livy and Plutarch both preserve versions of the story. citeturn334search? Why is he so Gricean? Because he is fundamentally a messenger. Grice is always interested in:  transmission of information, intentions, successful communication, what counts as getting a message across.  Pontius Cominius risks his life not to fight, but to ensure that one person knows what another person intends him to know. A typical Speranzian reconstruction might begin: CAMILLVS  Num quis Capitolium adire potest? "Can anyone reach the Capitol?"  COMINIVS  Possum. "I can."  CAMILLVS  Per hostes? "Through the enemy?"  COMINIVS  Per Tiberim. "Through the Tiber."  And eventually become a meditation on whether:  sending a message  and  communicating successfully  are the same thing. A very Gricean distinction.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cominio – Ossia: Grice e Cominio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cominio. My second choice would be Gaius Cominius, the equestrian who composed a libellous poem about Tiberius and was pardoned at the request of his senatorial brother. Tacitus mentions the episode. There the perfect Gricean topic is:  "I never named the emperor."  versus  "Everybody knew whom I meant."  That would be a pure exercise in implicature, allusion, and deniability.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cominio – Ossia: Grice e Cominio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cominio. Third place goes to Publius Cominius, Cicero's friend and fellow prosecutor against Gaius Cornelius. There the theme would be:  prosecution versus defence,  especially since Cicero successfully defended the very man whom the Cominii attacked.  So my ranking would be:  Pontius Cominius — communication under impossible conditions. Gaius Cominius the poet — implicature and libel. Publius Cominius the orator — prosecution and persuasion. Postumus Cominius Auruncus — early republican constitutional politics.  For a collection called Grice e Cominio, I would choose the swimmer without hesitation. In a sense he is the patron saint of successful message delivery. A Gricean couldn't resist him.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Considio – Ossia: Grice e Considio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Considio. Denarius of Gaius Considius Nonianus, 57 BC. The obverse depicts Venus. The reverse shows the Temple of Venus Erycina on the Quirinal Hill, which was located on the site of the Battle of the Colline Gate. The references to Venus support the claim of Pompeius' partisans that he was the heir of Sulla as the favourite of Venus. The Considii are a family at ancient Rome. The C. came to prominence in the last century of the Republic, and under the early Empire, but none of them rose any higher than the praetorship. The C. were an old family, first appearing early in the fifth century BC. However, they quickly faded into obscurity, from which they did not emerge for nearly four centuries. C. belongs to a large class of gentilicia formed chiefly from cognomina ending in -idus, using the suffix -idius, which came to be thought of as a regular gentile-forming suffix, and was applied even in cases where there was no morphological justification. C. might be formed from the nomen of the gens Consia, itself probably related to the mysterious god Consus. The Considii used the praenomina Quintus, Lucius, Publius, Marcus, and Gaius, all of which were amongst the most common names throughout Roman history.  The main cognomina of the C. were Gallus, Longus, Nonianus, and Paetus. Gallus may refer to a Gaul, or to a cockerel. Longus implies that the bearer was tall, or perhaps "long-winded", although the name could also have been bestowed ironically on a short man. Nonianus implies a connection with the gens Nonia, although whether the two brothers bearing it were adopted from that family, or descended from it through the maternal line, cannot be determined. Paetus translates as "squinty" or "nearsighted." Denarius of Gaius Considius Paetus, 46 BC. The obverse features Apollo. The reverse depicts a curule chair, alluding to the right of Caesar to sit on such a chair between the consuls in the Senate received after the Battle of Thapsus. Quintus Considius, tribune of the plebs in 476 BC, brought forward an agrarian law that had previously been rejected, and accused Titus Menenius Lanatus, consul in the preceding year, of neglect resulting in the disaster of the Cremera and destruction of the Fabii.[6][7] C., a publicanus, brought an action against Sergius Orata, praetor, for illegally appropriating the waters of the Lucrine Sea.[8] Lucius C., together with Sextus Saltius, led a colony to Capua at the direction of the tribune Marcus Junius Brutus in 83 BC.[9] Quintus C., a senator and jurist, was praised by Tullio Cicero for his integrity and uprightness. Plutarch records an anecdote concerning his visit to Giulio Caesar's house as an old man in 59 BC.[10][11] Quintus C., a moneylender at the time of the Catilinian conspiracy in 63 BC, forwent the collection of debts and interest owed him in order to mitigate the alarm over the rapid depreciation of property, and inability of debtors to pay their creditors. Possibly the same man as the jurist.[12] Quintus C. Q. f. Gallus, perhaps the son of the jurist, was one of the heirs of Quintus Turius in 43 B.C.[13] Publius C., a veteran soldier, who served under Sulla, Crassus, and Caesar, who mentions him in his account of his first campaign in Gaul, in 58 BC.[14] Marcus C. Nonianus, praetor in 52 BC, he assisted Pompeius in his preparations at Capua in 49.[15][16] Gaius C. Nonianus, triumvir monetalis in 57 BC. Like his brother, Marcus, he was a supporter of Pompeius. Gaius C. C. f. Longus, propraetor in Africa at the time of the Civil War, he espoused the side of Pompeius, but fled following the defeat of Scipio at Thapsus, and was murdered by his own Gaetulian mercenaries. Gaius C. C. f. C. n. Paetus, the son of Longus, fell into Caesar's power after the Battle of Thapsus and capture of Hadrumetum, but was pardoned. He was appointed moneyer shortly afterward, and the imagery on his coins demonstrate his gratitude to Caesar. Lucius Considius L. f. Gallus, held a number of offices under the early empire, having been tribune of the plebs, quaestor, praefectus urbi, quindecimvir sacris faciundis, and praetor peregrinus.[25] C. Aequus, an eques who falsely accused the praetor Magius Caecilianus of treason in AD 21, and was punished by Drusus.[26] C. Proculus, a man of praetorian rank, accused Publius Pomponius Secundus of plotting against the state, after the latter had given refuge to a friend of Sejanus in AD 31. In turn he was accused by Pomponius' brother, Quintus, and while celebrating his birthday was arrested and carried to the senate-house, where he was condemned and put to death. His sister, Sancia, was interdicted from fire and water.[27] Considia, wife of Marcus Servilius Nonianus, consul in AD 35. See also List of Roman gentes References  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, p. 448.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, p. 827 ("Considia Gens").  Chase, pp. 121, 122.  Cassell's Latin & English Dictionary.  Cassius Dio, xliii. 14. § 5.  Livy, ii. 52.  Dionysius, ix. 27.  Valerius Maximus, ix. 1. § 1.  Cicero, De Lege Agraria ii. 34.  Cicero, In Verrem, i. 7, Pro Cluentio, 38, Epistulae ad Atticum, ii. 24.  Plutarch, "The Life of Caesar", 14.  Valerius Maximus, iv. 8. § 3.  Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares, xii. 26.  Caesar, De Bello Gallico, i. 21.  Quintus Asconius Pedianus, in Cic. Mil. p. 55 (ed. Orelli)  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares, xvi. 12, Epistulae ad Atticum, viii. 11, B.  Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum, vol. v, p. 177.  Cicero, Pro Ligario, 1.  Scholia Gronoviana, Pro Ligario, p. 414 (ed. Orelli).  Caesar, De Bello Civili, ii. 23.  Hirtius, De Bello Africo, 3, 4, 33, 43, 76, 86, 93.  Hirtius, De Bello Africo, 89.  Borghesi, Oeuvres complètes, vol. ii, pp. 149–153.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, pp. 476–478.  CIL VI, 31705.  Tacitus, Annales, iii. 37.  Tacitus, Annales, v. 8, vi. 18. Bibliography Marcus Tullius Cicero, De Lege Agraria contra Rullum, Epistulae ad Atticum, Epistulae ad Familiares, In Verrem, Pro Cluentio, Pro Ligario. Gaius Julius Caesar, Commentarii de Bello Gallico (Commentaries on the Gallic War), Commentarii de Bello Civili (Commentaries on the Civil War). Aulus Hirtius (attributed), De Bello Africo (On the African War). Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Romaike Archaiologia (Roman Antiquities). Titus Livius (Livy), History of Rome. Valerius Maximus, Factorum ac Dictorum Memorabilium (Memorable Facts and Sayings). Lucius Mestrius Plutarchus (Plutarch), Lives of the Noble Greeks and Romans. Publius Cornelius Tacitus, Annales. Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus (Cassius Dio), Roman History. Scholia Gronoviana, In Ciceronis Pro Ligario (Commentary on Cicero’s Oration Pro Ligario). Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum (The Study of Ancient Coins, 1792–1798). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). Bartolomeo Borghesi, Oeuvres complètes de Bartolomeo Borghesi, Imprimerie Nationale, Paris (1862). Michael Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, Cambridge University Press (1974, 2001). Category: Roman gentes Your choice from this gens for a Grice/Speranza vignette? One could be for this sloppy comment in gens entry from wiki, that cognomen 'Longus' could ironically mean 'short' -- what evidence? Thanks Yes! I think the right keyword is not really irony but rather one of several neighboring Gricean topics:  conventionalization of implicature dead irony fossilized implicature nickname semantics historical pragmatics the transition from speaker meaning to word meaning  The case of Longus is much more complicated than Grice's standard examples. Stage I: Ordinary irony A short boy is called:  Longus.  The hearers know:  the boy is short, longus means "tall."  They infer:  +> the speaker is being ironic.  This is textbook Grice. Just as:  "He's a fine friend."  may mean  "He's a scoundrel."  through recognized flouting of truthfulness. The irony depends on everybody knowing the facts. Stage II: Nickname Now the name sticks. Five years later everyone calls him:  Longus.  But many speakers no longer think:  "Ha! We are ironically calling him tall."  The nickname has become a social label. The Gricean calculation is weakening. Stage III: Hereditary cognomen Now we have:  Marcus Considius Longus his son Publius Considius Longus his grandson Quintus Considius Longus  At this point neither father nor son need be tall or short. The original joke—if there ever was one—has vanished. Now Longus functions almost like:  Smith Baker Cooper  in English. Nobody expects every Smith to be a blacksmith. The irony has become historically irrelevant. A topic Grice might have loved Grice was interested in the distinction between:  what a speaker means, what an expression means.  The Roman cognomen provides a beautiful test case. Originally:  Longus  may have meant in use:  "that absurdly short fellow"  through irony. But after generations:  Longus  means simply:  "member of the Longus branch."  The ironic implicature has disappeared. One could call this a transition from:  particularized conversational implicature  to  mere proper naming.  A Speranzian dialogue FILIVS  Cur Longi vocamur? "Why are we called Longus?"  PATER  Quia primus Longus ita vocabatur. "Because the first Longus was called that."  FILIVS  Quia longus erat? "Because he was tall?"  PATER  Fortasse. "Perhaps."  FILIVS  An quia brevis erat? "Or because he was short?"  PATER  Fortasse etiam. "Perhaps that too."  FILIVS  Quid ergo significat nomen? "What then does the name mean?"  PATER  Nunc nihil nisi nos. "Now it means nothing except us."  That last line is wonderfully un-Gricean and Gricean at once. The cognomen may once have carried a rich implicature, ironic or otherwise; after centuries it has become a rigid label whose original conversational force is lost. So the topic under which I would reopen the problem is:  the fossilization of irony into a proper name  or, in Gricean language,  how a particularized implicature ceases to be an implicature at all and becomes part of social convention.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Considio – Ossia: Grice e Considio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Considio. My first choice is neither Longus nor one of the Pompeian partisans. It is Quintus Considius the jurist, the old senator whom Cicero praises for integrity, and whom Plutarch places in Caesar's house in 59 BC. citeturn0search? not available from user-provided text Why? Because he lends himself perfectly to a Gricean conversation about:  integrity versus expediency, law versus politics, what one means by saying "I agree".  One can imagine Caesar saying:  "Surely, Considius, all reasonable men support this measure."  and the old jurist replying:  "I said it was lawful, not that I liked it."  A classic Gricean distinction between what is said and what the hearer wishes to infer.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Considio – Ossia: Grice e Considio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Considio. My second choice would be Gaius Considius Paetus, the son of Longus who was captured after Thapsus, pardoned by Caesar, and then issued coinage expressing gratitude to him. There one gets a lovely problem:  If the coin praises Caesar, is it gratitude or prudence?  The audience must infer which.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Considio – Ossia: Grice e Considio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Considio. As for Longus, I share your suspicion about the Wikipedia-style remark:  "Longus implies that the bearer was tall ... although the name could also have been bestowed ironically on a short man."  The first half is straightforward:  longus = "long, tall".  The second half is usually a modern prosopographical caution. Romans certainly could use ironic nicknames. We know of cognomina whose literal meaning came to be detached from the bearer's actual characteristics. But for a specific Longus, one would want evidence. Otherwise one risks arguing:  Longus means tall. Unless it means short. Therefore it means whatever we need.  A Speranzian father-son dialogue writes itself: FILIVS  Cur Longus vocaris? "Why are you called Longus?"  PATER  Quia longus sum. "Because I am tall."  FILIVS  At quidam dicunt id ironice dici posse. "But some say it may be ironic."  PATER  Et quidam dicunt lunam e caseo factam esse. "And some say the moon is made of cheese."  FILIVS  Ergo es vere longus? "Then are you really tall?"  PATER  Donec contrarium probetur. "Until the contrary is proven."  A very Gricean moral:  Do not postulate irony without evidence.  Or, as Grice might put it, do not multiply implicatures beyond necessity. The literal interpretation should usually be preferred unless something in the context forces a non-literal one. And can you check what reference the wiki entry gives for this longus=short? I wouldn't know how to look for evidence over this. It does not concern the gens directly -- but the issue may have been discussed of cognomen or agnomen in this case PARTICULARISED IMPLICATURE for Grice, where the 'irony' would hold. "He is short, this Considio." The mother could not have baptised him, nor his father. This must have been some school mate, and children do not reach full age until maturity -- so "He is short, this Considio. Does he use a cognomen, or agnomen." "Not that I know." "Well, LONGUS from now on he'lll be." Input? I think your instinct is better than the Wikipedia remark. The gens article itself cites only a general source for the meaning of these cognomina, and such articles often repeat a standard formula:  "Longus means tall, although it could perhaps be ironic."  The problem is that there are really two different claims:  Romans sometimes gave ironic nicknames.  This particular Longus was called Longus because he was short.  (needs evidence)  The first claim is easy to support. Roman cognomina could become detached from their original meaning, and Roman humor certainly delighted in irony and nickname culture. Cognomina often originated in physical traits, occupations, ethnic origins, or jokes. [en.wikipedia.org], [pompeiiinp...ctures.com] The second claim requires evidence for this individual, and I have found none in the material available. In fact, the very logic of Roman naming suggests caution. If a boy is unusually tall, one can immediately imagine schoolmates saying:  Longus!  ("Stretch!") and the name sticks. But if a boy is unusually short, and someone calls him Longus, we are already dealing with a conversational maneuver. The nickname depends on everyone recognizing:  the literal meaning, the obvious falsity, the intended irony.  That is exactly what Grice would call a form of non-literal communication. Indeed, your reconstruction is very plausible: PVER I  Brevis est hic Considius. "This Considius is short."  PVER II  Cognomen habetne? "Does he have a cognomen?"  PVER I  Nescio. "I don't know."  PVER II  Longus erit. "Longus he shall be."  Now notice the Gricean structure. Literally:  Longus = tall.  Known fact:  He is short.  Therefore the hearer must infer:  +> the speaker is joking.  The irony is not encoded in the word itself. It is a particularized conversational implicature, dependent on everyone knowing the boy is short. This is why I would not say:  "Longus could mean short."  Rather:  "Longus means 'tall'; in a particular context it might be used ironically of a short person."  Those are very different claims. A Roman onomastician with Grice at his elbow might insist:  The lexical meaning remains tall. The ironic meaning arises from the circumstances of use.  And that, I think, is precisely the distinction you are after. The irony belongs not to the dictionary entry but to the conversational history of a particular nickname. But under what topic or keyword could we have a second-run on this. Grice had a problem with irony. His only example: You are the cream in my coffee +> (metaphor understood) You are my bane. He's a fine friend +> he is a scoundrel. That car has all its windows intact -- DOES NOT +>via irony: One window is smashed. For something like a surname that can be hereditary the thing gets more complicated? Thanks Yes! I think the right keyword is not really irony but rather one of several neighboring Gricean topics:  conventionalization of implicature dead irony fossilized implicature nickname semantics historical pragmatics the transition from speaker meaning to word meaning  The case of Longus is much more complicated than Grice's standard examples. Stage I: Ordinary irony A short boy is called:  Longus.  The hearers know:  the boy is short, longus means "tall."  They infer:  +> the speaker is being ironic.  This is textbook Grice. Just as:  "He's a fine friend."  may mean  "He's a scoundrel."  through recognized flouting of truthfulness. The irony depends on everybody knowing the facts. Stage II: Nickname Now the name sticks. Five years later everyone calls him:  Longus.  But many speakers no longer think:  "Ha! We are ironically calling him tall."  The nickname has become a social label. The Gricean calculation is weakening. Stage III: Hereditary cognomen Now we have:  Marcus Considius Longus his son Publius Considius Longus his grandson Quintus Considius Longus  At this point neither father nor son need be tall or short. The original joke—if there ever was one—has vanished. Now Longus functions almost like:  Smith Baker Cooper  in English. Nobody expects every Smith to be a blacksmith. The irony has become historically irrelevant. A topic Grice might have loved Grice was interested in the distinction between:  what a speaker means, what an expression means.  The Roman cognomen provides a beautiful test case. Originally:  Longus  may have meant in use:  "that absurdly short fellow"  through irony. But after generations:  Longus  means simply:  "member of the Longus branch."  The ironic implicature has disappeared. One could call this a transition from:  particularized conversational implicature  to  mere proper naming.  A Speranzian dialogue FILIVS  Cur Longi vocamur? "Why are we called Longus?"  PATER  Quia primus Longus ita vocabatur. "Because the first Longus was called that."  FILIVS  Quia longus erat? "Because he was tall?"  PATER  Fortasse. "Perhaps."  FILIVS  An quia brevis erat? "Or because he was short?"  PATER  Fortasse etiam. "Perhaps that too."  FILIVS  Quid ergo significat nomen? "What then does the name mean?"  PATER  Nunc nihil nisi nos. "Now it means nothing except us."  That last line is wonderfully un-Gricean and Gricean at once. The cognomen may once have carried a rich implicature, ironic or otherwise; after centuries it has become a rigid label whose original conversational force is lost. So the topic under which I would reopen the problem is:  the fossilization of irony into a proper name  or, in Gricean language,  how a particularized implicature ceases to be an implicature at all and becomes part of social convention.Well, I think Grice once played with "We should get together for lunch sometime" at Oxford +> get lost. So he would be inclined to say that while 'longus' means _tall_ as you say via fossilisation 'LONGUS' -- and not an utterer -- may mean _not tall_ or _short_. A specification may still be allowed to apply to the _expression_ ('longus') even if originally it applied to the _utterer_ of a particular utterance of the expression? Thanks. -- there must be ironic nicknames like taht in history? Thanks -- "he was called The Generous because he was so mean" etc. Yes, I think this is exactly where a Gricean treatment becomes more interesting than a purely etymological one. Grice's standard theory of irony is indeed tied to speaker meaning. A speaker utters:  "He's a fine friend."  meaning roughly:  "He's a scoundrel."  The hearer reaches this through a recognized flouting of truthfulness. But names create a historical problem. Stage 1: ironic utterance Someone says of a notably short boy:  Longus!  The word means "tall." The speaker means:  "the opposite of tall."  This is ordinary irony. Stage 2: nickname The nickname sticks. People now say:  "Where is Longus?"  Many speakers no longer calculate the irony afresh. The nickname has acquired a conventional social use. Stage 3: inherited cognomen Grandson, great-grandson, and great-great-grandson are all called:  Considius Longus.  At this stage nobody need be either tall or short. Yet one can imagine a philologist writing:  Longus, originally perhaps ironic.  The irony has migrated from the utterance-history into the history of the expression itself. That is very close to the Gricean question:  Can what was originally speaker meaning become expression meaning?  Or at least:  become part of what speakers know about the expression?   Your Oxford example is apt:  "We should get together for lunch sometime."  Originally:  literal proposal.  In certain social settings:  +> go away.  If that became sufficiently entrenched, a future historian of English might write:  "'We should have lunch' often means 'I do not wish to see you again.'"  What was once implicature starts looking lexical.  And yes, history abounds in ironic names and nicknames. Some famous examples are uncertain, but the phenomenon is familiar:  a huge man called "Tiny" a bald man called "Curly" a gigantic gangster called "Little John" a mean man called "Generous" a coward called "Hero"  The mechanism is universal. What is unusual in Roman cognomina is that the joke may survive for centuries after the joke has ceased to be understood.  A Speranzian father and son might therefore end with: FILIVS  Ergo Longus non significat longum? "Then Longus does not mean a tall man?"  PATER  Longus adhuc longum significat. "Longus still means 'tall'."  FILIVS  Sed Longus avus brevis fuit? "But Grandfather Longus was short?"  PATER  Ita traditur. "So it is said."  FILIVS  Quid ergo nomen nostrum significat? "What then does our name mean?"  PATER  Verbum aliud significat, nomen aliud. "The word means one thing; the name another."  That, I suspect, is where Grice would eventually land: the lexical item longus continues to mean "tall", while the proper name Longus may have acquired an independent history whose origin happened to involve irony. The irony belonged initially to an utterer, but historical sedimentation can cause later speakers to treat it as a feature of the expression itself. Wasn't the bald in Three stooges named 'Curly.' Of course that's still not a surname, but surely perhaps you can trace who the ACTOR was and whose decision it was to have him referred as 'Curly' in the scripts? Thanks Yes, Curly is actually a remarkably good example for your Roman-cognomen problem. The actor was Jerome Lester Horwitz, later known professionally as Curly Howard. The sources state that, as the youngest brother, he was originally nicknamed "Babe." When his brother Shemp married Gertrude Frank, whose nickname was also "Babe," the family began calling Jerome "Curly" to avoid confusion. [en.wikipedia.org], [threestooges.com] What makes the case especially relevant is that "Curly" became his public identity even though, when he joined the Stooges, he shaved his head and became famous as the bald Stooge. The official Three Stooges biography notes that he agreed to shave his head before joining the act, and was thereafter known as Curly. [threestooges.com] So we get something like:  Original nickname: Curly. Physical reality: bald. Public stage name: Curly Howard. Later audience understanding: "Curly" no longer functions as a literal description of hair.  That is very close to what we were discussing with Longus. An interesting Gricean chronology would be:  Someone says "Curly" because he has curly hair. (literal) The nickname becomes established. The same person becomes bald. "Curly" remains his name.  At stage (4), the expression no longer conveys:  "this person has curly hair."  Instead it identifies a person. The same sort of thing may have happened with Roman cognomina:  Rufus ("red-haired") Longus ("tall") Paetus ("squinty")  Once hereditary transmission begins, the descriptive content can detach from the bearer. As for who decided to use "Curly" in the act, the sources I found explicitly say that the nickname already existed within the family because of the "Babe" confusion. They do not specify which individual decided it should become the stage name used in scripts and publicity. [en.wikipedia.org], [threestooges.com] A Speranzian moral might be:  Curly once meant "curly-haired"; Curly now means Jerome Horwitz.  Just as:  Longus once meant "tall"; Longus later meant "that branch of the Considii."  The lexical meaning survives, but the proper name acquires a life of its own. That is exactly the sort of transition from description to designation that both Frege and Grice would have enjoyed. If he shaved his head for the first time when entering the act, the script writer was thinking of the irony -- because the audience or spectator NEVER SAW Howard other than as bald -- or was he known professionally before Three Stooges? Thanks That's exactly the crucial question, and the sources let us go part of the way, but not all the way. What the sources explicitly say is:  Jerome Horwitz was originally nicknamed "Babe" within the family. [menofpompeii.com], [unrv.com] When another family member was also called "Babe", the family started calling Jerome "Curly." [menofpompeii.com] Before joining the act, Jerome appeared with long wavy brown hair and a mustache. [unrv.com] To join the act, he agreed to shave his mustache and shave his head. [unrv.com] After that he was known professionally as Curly. [unrv.com], [menofpompeii.com]  What I cannot find in the sources is an explicit statement answering:  "Who decided that the stage character should continue to be called 'Curly' after he became bald?"  or  "Was the name retained deliberately for comic irony?"  The sources simply do not say. [menofpompeii.com], [unrv.com] But as a literary observation (not a historical claim), your point is very plausible. If audiences encountered him only as the bald Stooge, then the name Curly no longer functioned as an ordinary physical description. It had become a stage name. Whether the irony was consciously cultivated by Moe, Ted Healy, the writers, or the publicity people is something I have not found evidence for. What is fascinating from a Gricean perspective is that this resembles exactly the transition we were discussing for Longus:                               StageCurlyLongusOriginal meaningcurly-hairedtallInitial applicationdescriptive nicknamedescriptive nicknameLater bearerbald manperhaps not tallFinal statusproper namehereditary cognomen At that final stage, the audience no longer processes the expression compositionally:  Curly → person with curls  or  Longus → tall man  Instead:  Curly → Jerome Howard   Longus → member of the Longus family branch  The descriptive meaning survives in the language, but the name's identifying function takes over. In fact, this is almost a perfect Fregean example. The ordinary adjective curly retains its meaning, while the proper name Curly acquires its own reference. Grice would then ask whether the original ironic or descriptive route by which the name arose remains part of its current meaning—or merely part of its history. That is a much deeper question than the Three Stooges probably intended! As for the Longus = short issue from the previous gens, I remain unconvinced. The general statement "cognomina can be ironic" is easy. Demonstrating that a particular Longus originated as an ironic nickname is much harder. That would require evidence about the bearer, not merely about Roman humour in general.

 

Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cont

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Conte – Ossia: Grice e Conte: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del sacrificio. Amedeo Giovanni Conte (Pavia, Lombardia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del sacrificio. Grice: “Must say I love C. He  has almost the same talent for linguistic coinage as I do! In Italy ‘filosofia del diritto’ is much more respectable a discipline that it is at Oxford! But C. manages to keep it philosophically interesting for the philosopher’s philosopher that I am! C. proves that moral philosophy is at the heart of philosopohy qua-uni-virtue – for the critique of reason must include the buletico, and that’s all that to which C. dedicates his philosophy! Into the bargain, he expands into concepts like punishment, fiducia, my principle of conversational trust, and so much more! He plays with language the way only Heidegger does in German or I in English! C. is what I, and Italians, would call a Griceian conversationali pragmaticist. C. quotes from Soph. El. on the omonimia of ‘deon,’ for the good or bad. Surely ‘must’ or il modo impoerativo does not have TWO senses, and C. distinguishes: ambiguita semantica/ambi-VALENZA prammatica. Il verbo in modo indivativo tempo futuro ha valore imperativo. Since il lizio refuses to use Frege’s Sinn, and keeps referring to semeion segnare, we may well conclude that il lizio is just Greek Grice. Surely his quoting Foot and work with Wright on Kant’s hypo/cate is very Griceian! On top, C. has a taste for local history and has discovered some gems in some jurisprudential philosophers of his paese’!” Si laurea a Torino sotto BOBBIO con ius naturale. Insegna a Pavia. semiotica performativo deontica buletico regola eidetico-costitutiva validità desirabilita conversazionale In che consiste quell’impero dal quale il modo imperativo prende il nome interpretazione analogica ordine normativismo paradosso deontico filosofia della lingua normativa res ex nomine sociologia del diritto adelaster il nome del vero eido-gramma Nella parola Osnago Pulcino elefante Kenningar critica della ragione deontica ontologia agire verbale qualified. modo del verbo impero the sorry story of deontic logic  giuridico giudicare giuridicare impiego employ employment, empiegamento aletico change Actions and Events Casotti, Volere. St. John’s, 1958. Strawson has done it again. I open The Philosophical Review—the 1957 volume—and there I find “Meaning” in print, with my name sitting in it as if it had always belonged there, and with Stevenson (1944) being made to look like my anchor. Strawson never told me he meant to send the thing to press. He has the journalist’s vice (which he would call a virtue): he thinks a paper is not properly alive until it has been typeset and misread by strangers. To keep my mind off this small betrayal, I turn to Conte. It turns out that my “vintage year” has its Italian counterpart: Ricerche in tema d’interpretazione analogica, fresh from Pavia, Tipografia del Libro, and gleaming—absurdly—in Blackwell’s, as if Oxford undergraduates were likely to buy a monograph on analogical interpretation while still unable to translate three lines of Aristotle without tears. Is it philosophy? Not, at first glance, in the way Oxford means by “philosophy.” It isn’t anchored to a cheap emotivist from the 1940s; but then Stevenson was never “philosophy” either—his degree, I’m told, was in English (do you really need a degree for that? Yale seems to think so). Conte is at least dealing with something respectable: interpretazione analogica—and Aristotle is suddenly all the rage here, now that Ackrill has begun to show an interest, and the undergraduates have begun to pretend that “analogy” is not simply a way of getting out of trouble. Then I read the preface and see the real point: it comes out of a Facoltà di Giurisprudenza. So the analogy is not merely Aristotelian; it is institutional. Conte is a lawyer writing about the logic of interpretation and thereby becoming, by a kind of transitive accident, a philosopher. Which suggests a tidy proportion for my own peace of mind: Oxford Philosophical Society “Meaning” (1948) : Philosophical Review “Meaning” (1957) :: Conte the jurist (Pavia) : Conte the philosopher (analogically speaking). It is a comforting thought—especially when one’s own paper has been promoted, without one’s permission, from college occasion to American publication. If Strawson has made me into an author by editorial fiat, Conte shows how one may become a philosopher by institutional drift: interpretation as the bridge, and “analogy” as the method by which one’s provenance is quietly rewritten. (And, I suppose, the moral is this: there are worse fates than being printed; but there are few things odder than being printed at the instigation of one’s friends.) G: Let us begin from the oldest and therefore the most misleading formula: a:b::c:d. S: Aristotle’s great machine for making similarity look exact. G: And jurists’ great temptation for making exactness look lawful. S: We start, then, with proportion? G: We start with the appearance of proportion. Early Conte’s title in 1957, as we have it, is Ricerche in tema d’interpretazione analogica. That is already the voice of a laurea in giurisprudenza: cautious, technical, and faintly apologetic. Not “The Nature of Justice,” but researches on a topic. S: Which sounds like a thesis trying not to frighten the faculty. G: Exactly. One enters the law by sounding narrower than one is. S: And the question is whether interpretazione analogica is really Aristotelian proportion or rather legal extension. G: Better: whether it is legal extension at all. S: Ah. G: Because the first correction is yours: analogical interpretation is not extensive interpretation. If one does not keep that clear, one has already made the sort of mistake a good Italian jurist was trained to punish. S: So we want the singular contrast. G: Precisely. Not “other interpretive extensions,” but “how is analogical interpretation different from extensive interpretation?” S: Then let us put it brutally. G: Good. Suppose the norm is ∀x(B(x)→O ¬P(x))\forall x(B(x)\rightarrow O\,\neg P(x))∀x(B(x)→O¬P(x)) where B(x)B(x)B(x) means xxx is a bicycle and P(x)P(x)P(x) means xxx is parked in the park. S: So, for every xxx, if xxx is a bicycle, then it ought not be parked in the park. G: Correct. Now the juristic nuisance begins when xxx is not a bicycle in the strict sense. S: For instance a unicycle. G: Let U(x)U(x)U(x) mean xxx is a unicycle. S: Or a motorcycle. G: Let M(x)M(x)M(x) mean xxx is a motorcycle. S: Or, if one wants to irritate the lexicographer, a motor-bicycle. G: Quite. A beast designed to embarrass the extension of “bicycle” while gratifying the etymologist. S: So extensive interpretation asks whether these cases were already in the extension of BBB, properly understood. G: Yes. Let us write the broadened, textually admissible interpretation as B∗(x)B^*(x)B∗(x). Then extensive interpretation says, roughly: ∀x(B∗(x)→O ¬P(x))\forall x(B^*(x)\rightarrow O\,\neg P(x))∀x(B∗(x)→O¬P(x)) and if B∗(u)B^*(u)B∗(u), then O ¬P(u).O\,\neg P(u).O¬P(u). S: That is, the unicycle was already covered, once “bicycle” is properly interpreted. G: Exactly. The case is inside the rule after semantic clarification. S: Whereas analogy begins with the opposite concession. G: Namely: ¬B(u)\neg B(u)¬B(u) and perhaps also ¬B(m).\neg B(m).¬B(m). S: The unicycle is not literally a bicycle; the motorcycle is not literally a bicycle. G: Yes. And then one introduces not a broader extension but a relevant ratio, say R(x)R(x)R(x), where R(x)R(x)R(x) means xxx presents the kind of reason for regulation that explains the bicycle norm. S: Obstruction, danger, nuisance, disturbance of pedestrian order, that sort of thing. G: Precisely. Then one writes: ∀x(B(x)→R(x))\forall x(B(x)\rightarrow R(x))∀x(B(x)→R(x)) and if R(u),R(u),R(u), one may infer analogically O ¬P(u).O\,\neg P(u).O¬P(u). S: Even though u∉Ext(B)u\notin Ext(B)u∈/Ext(B). G: Exactly. That is why analogy is not extensive interpretation. Extensive interpretation says: this was already meant. Analogy says: this was not literally meant, but the same reason carries over. S: So semantically: u∈Ext(B∗)u\in Ext(B^*)u∈Ext(B∗) for estensiva, but u∉Ext(B)u\notin Ext(B)u∈/Ext(B) for analogia. G: Good. And then, for analogy, one adds something like: SimR(u,B-cases)Sim_R(u,B\text{-cases})SimR​(u,B-cases) or Ratio(u)=Ratio(B-cases).Ratio(u)=Ratio(B\text{-cases}).Ratio(u)=Ratio(B-cases). S: Which is already less semantic and more justificatory. G: Yes. That is the philosophical hinge. Extensive interpretation remains near meaning. Analogy moves toward reason. S: Then your earlier formula should be tightened. G: Indeed. Not “distinct from other interpretive extensions,” but “different from extensive interpretation.” S: Conte would have approved. G: Or at least not immediately frowned. S: Now what becomes of Aristotle’s a:b::c:d?a:b::c:d?a:b::c:d? G: It survives, but under discipline. In pure proportion the relation between aaa and bbb is the same as the relation between ccc and ddd. In legal analogy the cleanest translation is not object-to-object but case-to-rationale, or case-to-consequence. S: For instance: bicycle : prohibition :: unicycle : prohibition. G: Yes, provided the same relevant ratio underwrites both. More explicitly: B:R::U:RB:R::U:RB:R::U:R and from common relation to RRR one transfers the same deontic consequence. S: So the four terms are not four objects in a museum case. G: No. They are more like two case-types and two relations, or two cases and two normative outcomes. Law turns the neat schoolboy proportion into a practical syllogism with a concealed reason. S: Which is exactly where philosophy enters. G: Exactly where it refuses to leave. S: Let us make the bicycle awkwarder. Suppose Grice’s example about whether I park my bicycle facing north or south. G: Ah yes, from the regions of practical indifference. Let N(x)N(x)N(x) mean “xxx is parked facing north” and S(x)S(x)S(x) mean “xxx is parked facing south.” S: And the point is that perhaps there is no moral difference. G: Or a value-gap, or indifference. One may say: Perm(N(b))∧Perm(S(b)).Perm(N(b))\wedge Perm(S(b)).Perm(N(b))∧Perm(S(b)). S: So some dimensions are normatively governed and others are left open. G: Yes. A rule may settle whether bicycles may be parked here at all, yet not settle whether they face north or south. S: Which suggests that not every non-specified feature invites analogy. G: Precisely. Analogy is not a machine for filling every silence. Sometimes the law is silent because the matter is irrelevant, not because it awaits a jurist. S: A useful point for Oxford men, who tend to regard every silence as an invitation. G: Or as a vacancy to be filled by a lecture. S: Let us return to the animals of the roadside. We have BBB, UUU, and MMM. G: Yes. Now extensive interpretation may perhaps stretch BBB toward some B∗B^*B∗, but only within limits. If one defines B∗(x):=W2(x)∧Rv(x),B^*(x):=W_2(x)\wedge Rv(x),B∗(x):=W2​(x)∧Rv(x), where W2(x)W_2(x)W2​(x) means “has two wheels” and Rv(x)Rv(x)Rv(x) means “rideable vehicle of the relevant kind,” then an ordinary bicycle falls clearly inside it. S: But the unicycle fails because ¬W2(u).\neg W_2(u).¬W2​(u). G: Exactly. And the motorcycle may satisfy W2W_2W2​, but not the relevant human-powered or pedal-cycle feature, if that is part of the intended sense. S: So if one includes motorcycles under “bicycle,” one may no longer be interpreting but legislating. G: Very good. That is the juristic embarrassment. Extensive interpretation cannot become semantic brigandage. S: Whereas analogy can say: no, the motorcycle is not a bicycle, but the same ratio may apply even more strongly. G: Yes. If R(m)R(m)R(m), then one may derive O ¬P(m)O\,\neg P(m)O¬P(m) without ever asserting B(m)B(m)B(m). S: Then analogical interpretation is, as you put it, what happens when extension fails but reason refuses to stop. G: I am sorry you remembered that. It sounds too good to be wholly safe. S: Now where does Bobbio enter? G: In precisely the legal-logical setting. The distinction between analogia and interpretazione estensiva belongs to the jurisprudential environment Conte inherits. Bobbio had already made analogy a question of legal logic, not merely of philological style. S: So Conte’s 1957 title looks less like a meditation on Aristotle’s De interpretatione and more like jurisprudence under logical pressure. G: Exactly. Aristotle is in the background, but not as a scholastic relic. He is there as the ancestor of proportion and focal relatedness. The immediate problem is juristic: by what logic does one move from one case to another without pretending they are the same case? S: Which sounds rather Oxonian, actually. G: Oxonian enough. We have a taste for pretending not to generalise while generalising expertly. S: Let us sharpen the distinction in one line. G: Extensive interpretation says: this case was already within the rule, properly understood. Analogy says: this case was not within the rule, but the reason of the rule applies. S: In symbols: Estensiva: a∈Ext(B∗)\text{Estensiva: } a\in Ext(B^*)Estensiva: a∈Ext(B∗) Analogica: a∉Ext(B), but SimR(a,B-cases).\text{Analogica: } a\notin Ext(B),\ \text{but }Sim_R(a,B\text{-cases}).Analogica: a∈/Ext(B), but SimR​(a,B-cases). G: Exactly. S: And the deontic operator matters because by 1958 Conte is already deontic. G: Yes. Which is why we should not stop at classifications. The legal result is normative. So one writes not merely that aaa resembles bbb, but that the resemblance licenses the same deontic consequence: B(x)→O G(x)B(x)\rightarrow O\,G(x)B(x)→OG(x) ¬B(a)∧SimR(a,B-cases)\neg B(a)\wedge Sim_R(a,B\text{-cases})¬B(a)∧SimR​(a,B-cases) therefore O G(a).O\,G(a).OG(a). S: The controversial step lies in the bridge. G: In the bridge and in the choice of RRR. Relevance is everything. If the ratio is wrongly selected, analogy becomes ornament. S: Or ideology. G: In law, often the same thing. S: You said earlier that extensive interpretation is “semantic” and analogy “pragmatic or justificatory.” Is that too neat? G: Slightly too neat, therefore serviceable. Extensive interpretation asks what the legislator’s term can mean. Analogy asks what the rule is for. S: So the former is about extension; the latter about purpose. G: Or rationale, yes. Though Oxford men distrust “purpose” when they fear teleology, and then quietly use it anyway. S: This brings us near Aristotle again. G: Inevitably. For Aristotle, one often has neither strict univocity nor sheer equivocity, but ordered relatedness to a focal case. “Being,” “healthy,” “friendly,” and the rest. S: Then legal analogy may sometimes work like focal meaning. G: Yes. Not all cases fall under one flat extension, yet they may radiate from one justificatory centre. In that sense the jurist can resemble the metaphysician without enjoying it. S: Which is why Joachim might have liked it. G: Joachim liked many things that improved under distance. S: And the Australian with M? G: I still do not trust my memory enough to baptise the poor man. Better ignorance than false precision. S: A rare maxim. G: One of the few I obey. S: Let us make the bicycle case constitutional, since you hinted at “state” and “constitution.” G: Very well. Suppose a constitutional term applies clearly to parliament, courts, ministers, and so on. A new institution arises, say an administrative tribunal or quasi-public authority. Extensive interpretation asks whether the constitutional predicate already covers it under a properly broadened meaning. Analogy asks whether, even if it does not literally fall under the predicate, the same constitutional rationale should govern it. S: So again: semantic inclusion versus normative transfer. G: Precisely. S: And Hart enters where? G: Hart enters wherever rule-following ceases to look mechanical. He would be naturally interested in open texture, and that lies close to this distinction. Not the same thing, but adjacent. S: And Baker, with defeasibility? G: Defeasibility is a cousin, not a twin. Defeasibility says a rule may hold generally but be defeated by special conditions. Analogy says a rule’s reason may extend beyond its literal range. Both remind us that legal meaning is not exhausted by flat extension. S: So Conte, Hart, and Baker inhabit neighbouring parishes. G: Yes, though each thinks the church was built for him. S: One wants now a sharper line on the four terms in a:b::c:d.a:b::c:d.a:b::c:d. G: Let us write it in legal dress: F:R::H:RF:R::H:RF:R::H:R where FFF is the original case-type and HHH the novel one, and RRR the ratio common to both. S: Then the second pair is not another object but another relation to the same rationale. G: Yes. Or one may write: F:O G::H:O GF:O\,G::H:O\,GF:OG::H:OG provided the relation between FFF and O GO\,GOG is reproduced between HHH and O GO\,GOG by virtue of RRR. S: So the proportion is actually compressed practical reasoning. G: Exactly. The jurist borrows Aristotle’s dignity and then smuggles in teleology. S: Which is perhaps what made the matter attractive to an Oxford philosopher with a weakness for form. G: Quite. It is one thing to classify bicycles. It is another to ask what makes one classification legally or morally relevant. The second question is not only juristic. It is philosophical through and through. S: Then let us end with the simplest possible contrast. G: Very well. Extensive interpretation: the case was already inside the rule. Analogy: the case was outside the rule, but inside its reason. S: And Conte’s 1957 thesis title, with all its academic modesty, is really about that breach. G: About that breach and about the logic of crossing it without pretending it was never there. S: Which is, come to think of it, also what Oxford calls good manners. G: Yes. One crosses a line and spends the rest of the afternoon denying that one has moved at all.Grice: Caro Conte, devo confessare che trovo affascinante la tua capacità di giocare con il linguaggio. In Inghilterra la filosofia del diritto non gode della stessa stima, ma tu riesci a renderla centrale per la filosofia morale. Mi incuriosisce la tua distinzione tra ambiguità semantica e ambi-valenza pragmatica: come nasce la tua attenzione per il sacrificio e la fiducia nella conversazione? Conte: Grazie, Grice! Credo che la filosofia debba interrogare non solo la ragione, ma anche il cuore delle regole morali. Il sacrificio è sempre legato all’imperativo della fiducia: senza fiducia, la conversazione perde valore. Per questo ho cercato di mostrare come il modo futuro abbia spesso una forza normativa, quasi imperativa, che si riflette sia nel diritto sia nel linguaggio quotidiano. Grice: Interessante! La tua riflessione sul buletico mi ricorda i miei studi sulla conversazione e sul principio di trust. Pensi che la performatività del linguaggio normativo possa davvero sostituire la distinzione tra significato e segno, come suggerivi citando il lizio? Conte: Credo di sì, Grice. La performatività trasforma la parola in azione: non è solo semeion, ma anche impero. In fondo, la regola non è mai solo eidetico-costitutiva, ma sempre validata dal desiderio e dalla fiducia conversazionale. Così il diritto diventa dialogo, proprio come la filosofia! 1957: Ricerche in tema d’interpretazione analogica. Tesi, Pavia. Giurisprudenza. 

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Conti – Ossia: Grice e Conti: la ragione conversazionale. Grice: “I love C.!” Angelo Conti (Mairago, Lodi, Lombardia): la ragione conversazionale. Grice: “I love C.!” Datosi agli studî umanistici che contemperò con quelli giuridici, alla scuola prima di Cardano, poi di Maggi e di Alciati, ebbe la cattedra d'eloquenza a Milano dove rimane, tranne un breve ritiro a Ferrara, fino alla morte, promovendo gli studî e l'Accademia dei Trasformati. Filosofo, umanista, giurista, nei caratteri della sua cultura e delle sue aspre polemiche si riflette la crisi del ciceronismo. In principio, parzialissimo di CICERONE , gli si dedica tutto con compilazioni e commenti, ma poi reagì con l'Antiparadoxon libri VI -- Lione. Gli rispose Nizzoli, spirito più penetrante, entusiasta anche lui di Cicerone, propugnando una più giusta valutazione storica di questo e una più sagace distinzione fra il pensatore e il prosatore. Ma la risposta provoca nuova replica – cf. Cohen against Grice, Walker against Cohen, Cohen against Walker. Reprehensionum Libri duo contra Nizolium; e la polemica si protrasse clamorosa e violenta. Dopo la sua morte molti suoi lavori di erudizione e di filologia furono dati alle stampe. Ex Bibliotheca majori Coli. Rom. Societ. Jesu V M> ANTONII Maiorajnj Rcprchenfi onum libri duo, cocra Manum. Nizolium Bnxcllenlcm: In quibus multa 8c uaria diiputantur,qua: cum magnam in legendo iucunditatcm, tu m non mediocrem utilitat em atterre poliunt* KVC ACCESSIT RECUSATIO OM^ man y qu*l M. Antonii Mjiongjjjanquam nuu nium corum^ua NiPolius in Decifionibus eiufdem Xntonij J&iorigjjtnqugm mu lepofitWQtmt, Capitarenim,quar toto hoc Opere tKKJhntwv ftaumpoft Praefationem reperies, /£cYm BDIOLANI, » f 4 * m A ‘3 I 1 V, O T W A -M iinofb'iq-j^i (ijsBioicfVi w. ^ JjTJOJ c i • « iCaV j yi v * m 8 cnuno 'f.VH. tri*# y. f^frrn ?udh: > r! m ftitnotfn iau^ 'fy ?* } rrfttMjIrtt* ndi^ muion rn;.J %: •?ns &T1* IttQ c' w - x t . > 1 # T)J SfU )A . A xitn . -x'. r ^^rroijiK .M •<< C r  r , \ Q Antonmaria Contil Mairago, Lodi, Lombardia.  Grice: Conti, mi affascina come tu riesca a mettere d’accordo gli studi umanistici e quelli giuridici. Ma dimmi, tra Cardano, Maggi e Alciati, chi ti ha insegnato il trucco per sopravvivere alle polemiche? Conti: Grice, il vero trucco è la pazienza lombarda: se la polemica diventa troppo aspra, basta fingere di essere a Ferrara e tutto si calma. Ma quando si parla di Cicerone, nessuno resta tranquillo! Grice: Eppure, anche dopo l’Antiparadoxon e la replica di Nizzoli, tu continui a promuovere l’Accademia dei Trasformati. Sei più filosofo, giurista o polemista? Conti: Grice, dipende dal giorno: a Milano mi sento giurista, in polemica filosofo, e quando scoppia la tempesta editoriale, umanista. Ma di una cosa sono sicuro: se Cohen contro Grice, Walker contro Cohen e Cohen contro Walker, allora serve davvero una pausa… magari a pranzo! Conti. Da  tutto il corpo il sudore allora gli gronda, e gli cola —  omai il respiro gli manca — in un fiume color della  pece. E finalmente allora, a precipizio, di un salto, con  tutte le armi, nel fiume si lanciò; e quello, con la sua  bionda corrente l’accolse, e lo tenne sopra le onde tranquille, e, della strage asterso, lieto ai compagni lo rese. VIRGILIANA, decadente, decadenza, divina decadenza, filosofia decadente, filosofo decadente, decadentismo, divinely decadent – d’annunzio, museo d’annunziano, il bello e il bizzarro, il bello bizzarro, estetica, sensatio, senso, sensum, sentior, sentitum, perceived, perceptum – sense and sensibilia, estetico/noetico (nihil est in intellectu qui prior non fuerit in sensu), propieta estetica, proprieta di secondo grado, secondary quality, Grice, Sibley, Scruton, Platone, Kant, Schopenhauer, Ruskin, Pater, Antichita, antico e moderno, il fascino dell’antico, from the antique, from life, Uffizi, Accademia Venezia, RegieAccademiadiVenezia, Capodemonti, Napoli, Antichita Roma, il fiume d’Eraclito, Ulisse e il canto delle sirene, Morelli, Francesco, Virgilio, dolcissimo padre, ascetismo, ascecis, zorzi, riva beata, Pater, Essay on Style by Pater, Da Vinci, Morelli, la nudita eroica d’Enea – Luigi Ratini. Grice: Conti, ma da dove nasce tutta questa “divina decadenza”? Hai mai pensato che il sudore, invece di gronda, potrebbe essere una metafora estetica per la fatica di capire Platone? Conti: Grice, in effetti ogni goccia di sudore è come un piccolo Eraclito: scorre, cambia, e alla fine ti fa sentire “perceptum” – o almeno ti lascia galleggiare sopra le onde tranquille della filosofia! Grice: Allora, caro Conti, se il fiume è color della pece, sarà vero che la filosofia decadente odora più di museo d’annunziano o di riva beata? Conti: Grice, preferisco la riva beata: lì si può ascoltare il canto delle sirene e sentirsi, almeno per un attimo, compagno lieto degli antichi – anche se ogni tanto si rischia di lanciarsi a precipizio nell’ignoto, armi e bagagli inclusi! Conti, Angelo (1899). Il giardino della bellezza. Palermo: Sandron.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Conti – Ossia: Grice e Conti: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura converseazionale del dialogo filosofico. Antonio Schinella Conti (Padova, Veneto): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura converseazionale del dialogo filosofico. Grice: “C. is a good one; for one he is a ‘patrizio veneziano,’ for another he like Pope and detests Newton! Italian temper there! My favourite are his Dialoghi filosofici, full of implicata as they are!” Classicist mediazione tra Newtono eLeibnizio circa l'invenzione del calcolo infinitesimale infinito. Sulla struttura della tragedia, e fantasma poetico discute la funzione del coro: monologo dialogo coro terza persoda. Tra le sue tragedie, la più significativa il GIULIO Cesare. altre tre, tutte di soggetto romano: Marco Bruto, Giunio Bruto, e Druso. Disputa con Nigrisoli Rifleli Imitazione Poesia Allegoria dell'Enea di VIRGILIO Catullo Teride e Peleo Tebaide di Stazio Fracastoro il Nawagero Ragion Poetica di Gravina Potenza conoscitiva dell'Anima fantasia. Maffei Marcello Piſenti Somaſco Cerarti. Propone una cosa per farne intender un’altra, che seco è in proporzione, se ENEA é allegora d’OTTAVIANO. La a cosa proposta è l’agire d’Enea, l’explicatura. La cosa che deve intendersi è l’agire d’OTTAVIANO, l’implicatura. Alla base della premessa del secondo ra­gionamento di Sesto. Essa permette di sviluppare un ragio­namento corrispondente al MODVS TOLLENS, che convalida la conclusione del primo ragionamento. Non si sa dire se il portico riescano a evitare, con il ricorso alla contrapposizione, la contraddizione che esiste tra la richiesta d’una relazione necessaria e a priori tra le due proposizioni del condizionale e la necessità che il segno produce nuova conoscenza. La contrapposizione rende necessaria la relazione anche nel caso di verità fattua­le, poiché parte dall'assunzione che il fatto oscuro per natu­ra è legato a quello evidente in modo tale che ciò che è evi­dente non puo esistere se il fatto non percepito non e quale viene rivelato essere. about whether corpori celesti are inhabited l’infinito self-referential recursion anti-sneak regress infinite regress communication finitesimale Cicerone semiotica stoica scudo VELIA accademia dassiomatico dell’essere l’essere e. Grice: Conti, ti confesso che i tuoi dialoghi filosofici sono come il vino veneziano: ogni implicatura è una nota in più! Conti: Grice, se solo avessi Newton e Leibniz a cena, non saprei se servire piatti infinitesimali o cori tragici. Ma almeno il GIULIO Cesare va sempre bene! Grice: E allora, se ENEA è Ottaviano, io suggerisco che il mio agire sia implicatura, e la tua sia una esplicatura che mi fa sempre scoprire qualcosa di nuovo. Conti: Caro Grice, purché non si finisca in un regresso infinito, basta che il coro ci accompagni: se il fatto non percepito è tra le nuvole, almeno la battuta finale ce la lascia il portico! Conti, Antonio Schinella (1716). Il dramma di Don Chisciotte. Venezia: Stamperia Valvasense.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Conti –Ossia: Grice e Conti:  il primo storico italiano della filosofia italiana – amato da Fiorentino -- la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale Augusto Conti (San Miniato, Pisa, Toscana):  il primo storico italiano della filosofia italiana – amato da Fiorentino -- la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale Grice: “C. is a good one – a historian of philosophy, or rather a philosophical historian – I never know! – his chapter on the Greek embassy that brought philosophy to Rome is stimulating!” Si laurea a Lucca. Insegna a Firenze. Studia il bello, che define stare fra il vero e il buono, il mezzo tra il principio e fine. Cose di storia e d'arte; Evidenza, amore, o i criteri della filosofia, Famiglia, patria, i  amori”; l tempo in un viaggio in Italia”. Coglie occasione per un insegnamento civile; sulla religione, stato, ecc.; Il bello nel vero, o estetica; Il buono nel vero, o morale e diritto naturale. Illustrazione delle sculture e dei mosaici sulla facciata del duomo di Firenze; Il vero nell'ordine, ontologia e logica; L'armonia delle cose, o antropologia. Costrue una metafisica sulla relazione, l'armonia, l'ordine; Letteratura e patria, collana di ricordi nazionali”; discorsi del tempo, o famiglia, Patria, arte, Storia della filosofia. “Sveglie dell'anima. Dell'arte, dialoghi. Evidenza, amore o i criteri della filosofia lavoro, accordo della filosofia colla tradizione; ALIGHIERI. Armonie ideali nell'opere belle. L'artista tende al più alto segno ideale. Ordine dell'idea chiaro giudizj e ragionamenti. Dialettica dell'arte, dialettica rappresentativa. L'idea è universale, talchè i particolari dell'arte non ecclissano o escludere il concetto universale; altrimenti, arte bella non c'è’ L’ordine ideale porge all’immagini formosità. eletta, che manifestasi per cose straordinarie e l'eccellenza de'modi, ſuggendo l’ampollosità, e si determina ne segni; onde s'origina l'armonia de'contrapposti. Armonia dell'ordine ideale colla NATURA, legge di corrispondenza e contrapposto. Armonia col divino per natura. Il gusto del bello. Regola prossima è il gusto. Sentimento di verità, bellezza, e bene. il gusto? Analogie del gusto intellettivo col gusto sensitivo. sanità e infermità abiti buoni/vizisi; S'esamina gli ufficj del gusto intellettivo della bellezza. Effetto del gusto. Forme del sapere, filosofia romana, la semiotica di CICERONE. Grice: Caro Conti, devo ammettere che trovo stimolante la tua prospettiva sulla storia della filosofia italiana, soprattutto il capitolo sull’ambasciata greca che portò la filosofia a Roma. Mi incuriosisce il modo in cui riesci a intrecciare il bello, il vero e il buono nelle tue riflessioni. Come nasce in te questo equilibrio tra principi e fine? Conti: Grazie, Grice! Credo che il bello sia proprio il ponte tra il vero e il buono: una sorta di armonia ideale che si manifesta sia nell’arte che nella vita. Per me, la filosofia serve a risvegliare l’anima e a favorire l’accordo tra tradizione e ragione. È una tensione continua tra evidenza, amore e criteri universali, ma sempre vissuta con sentimento e gusto. Grice: Che splendida visione! Mi piace il tuo accento sull’armonia dei contrapposti e sull’ordine ideale che si riflette nelle immagini e nei segni. Alla maniera di Alighieri, credi che anche la dialettica dell’arte abbia un valore rappresentativo universale, tale da non oscurare mai il concetto? È questo che rende “bello” qualcosa? Conti: Esattamente, Grice! L’arte bella non esclude mai il concetto universale: la particolarità è sempre armonizzata con la natura e il divino. Il gusto è la regola prossima, il sentimento di verità, bellezza e bene. Solo se l’ordine ideale si accorda con la natura, si raggiunge quella “formosità eletta” che è segno di eccellenza e fonte di armonia tra opposti. Così nasce la vera filosofia romana! Conti, Augusto (1857). Sul bello secondo la ragione. Firenze: Tipografia Galileiana.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Contri – Ossia: Grice e Contri: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale idealista di Buonaparte. Siro Contri (Cazzano di Tramigna, Verona, Veneto): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale idealista di Buonaparte. Grice: “I like C. He reminds me of my days at Rossall! Of course C. is interested in Hegel, la la ricerca del segreto sofisma di Hegel – and attempts to reveal it as Stirling never could! But C., being an Italian, is also interested in il bello. The interesting thing is that he goes back to Italy, to AQUINO. He has a good exploration on verum in AQUINO which reminds me of Bristol, Revisited!” Si laurea a Padova sotto ZAMBONI. Insegna a Bologna. Minuziosa critica alla logica idealista. Mette in rilievo le incongruenze gnoseologiche e metodologiche che portano all’errata concezione della realtà come vita dell’idea. Rovesciando l'immanentismo, scopre un mondo di realtà sviluppando una concezione di filosofia della storia che denomina storio-sofia. Di ZAMBONI accolge la gnoseologia pura. Critica AQUINO e SERBATI. La posizione archeo-scolastica conoscenza indimostrata a priori degl’esseri C. sostenne la DIMOSTRAZIONE della conoscenza dell’essere e degl’esseri dalla gnoseologia pura di e ri-da certezza. Accusa di plagio GEMELLI   genesi fenomenologica della logica Fascista. Disputa con ZAMBONI. Quid est veritas. Dei lincei Trascendenza nell'immanentismo. Metafisiche il divenire in sè, fenomenismo. A tale fenomenismo corrispondono fenomenologie come quella che afferma che il reale Riunì BUONAPARTE in queste operazioni l’esecuzione dei pensieri di Marcello in Siracusa; di Fabio Marcello per trattato leva molti bel1issimi simulacri, perchè serveno di  ornamento alla sua patria -- la quale siuo allora non ha, ne avuti, nè veduti abbigliamenti cosi gentili ed isquisiti. l regime fascista. bello assiologia poetica VICO Mussolini, discorso, duce, logica gl’esseri contraddetto pulchrum paleo-scolastici lizio  vero errore di CROCE, l’equivoco di Croce, percezione del bello, armonia storia storicismo  domma negazione concetto puro metodo nihilismo errore sofisma GENTILE. Grice: Contri, confesso che quando cerchi il segreto sofistico di Hegel mi sento proprio a Rossall, tra inglesi che filosofeggiano e italiani che cercano il bello. Ma dimmi, la tua “storio-sofia” nasce più da una passeggiata a Bologna o da un soggiorno a Bristol? Contri: Grice, il segreto sta nel mescolare la gnoseologia pura di Zamboni con la voglia di scoprire il vero tra le incongruenze idealiste. Da Bristol porto il dubbio, ma da Bologna la certezza che il reale non si dimostra soltanto con le idee… serve anche un buon caffè! Grice: E allora, caro Contri, tu metti in crisi Croce e Gentile come Mussolini faceva con i discorsi: a colpi di storicismo e assiologia poetica! Ma non temi che il regime fascista possa insidiare la percezione del bello? Contri: Grice, il bello sopravvive anche alle peggiori assiologie politiche! Basta un simulacro gentile, una battuta spiritosa e qualche negazione concettuale: l’importante è non farsi rapire dal sofisma, ma restare sempre allegri… come Marcello che abbelliva Siracusa, senza mai perdere il senso della realtà! Contri, Siro (1885). Saggio critico sulla poesia di Carducci. Modena: Toschi.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Coponio – Ossia: Grice e Coponio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Coponio. The Coponii are a family at Rome. The family was prominent at Rome during the first century BC. The most famous of the gens may have been Gaius C., praetor, and a partisan of Pompeius, whom although proscribed by the triumvirs, was subsequently pardoned, and came to be regarded as a greatly respected member of the Senate. The C. originally came from Tibur, where an inscription bearing the name was found. The Coponii are known to have used the praenomina Titus, Marcus, and Gaius. Titus Coponius, of Tibur, a man of distinguished merit and rank, was made a Roman citizen upon the condemnation of Gaius Masso, whom he accused.[2] Marcus C., party to a lawsuit pleaded by Quintus Scaevola in the court of the centumviri, 93 BC.[3][4] Titus and Gaius C. T. n., two brothers spoken of by Tullio Cicero as young men of great acquirements, 56 BC.[5][6] C., left in command of Carrhae during the expedition of Crassus against the Parthians, 53 BC. Possibly the same as the praetor of 49.[7] Gaius C., praetor in 49 BC, and a partisan of Pompeius during the Civil War. Later a greatly respected member of the Senate. C., a Roman sculptor, who made fourteen statues representing nations conquered by Pompeius. They stood in the entrance hall to the Theatre of Pompeius, giving it the name Porticus ad Nationes. Coponius, governor of Judaea from 6 AD to 9 AD See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Balbo 53.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, De Oratore i. 39, ii. 32.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Brutus 52.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Balbo 53.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Caelio 24.  Plutarchus, Lives of the Noble Greeks and Romans, Crassus 27.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Atticum viii. 12, A.  Gaius Julius Caesar, Commentarii de Bello Civili iii, 5, 26.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, De Divinatione i. 32, ii. 55.  Appianus, Bellum Civile iii. 40.  Marcus Velleius Paterculus, Compendium of Roman History ii. 83.  Gaius Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis xxxvi. 4 §§ 12, 13.  Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus, De Vita Caesarum Claudius, 46.  Servius, ad Virg. Aen. viii. 720.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Giuseppe Cascioli, Gli uomini illustri o degni di memoria della città di Tivoli dalla sua origine ai nostri giorni (Tomo I. Dalla preistoria al secolo XIII). Tivoli, 1927, pag. 6-8. (it.) Denarius con il pretore Coponio (it.) Category: Roman gentes For this gens we have two: Latin text for collective praise by Tullio of the 'C.' brothers -- with interlocutor analysing this and finding it puzzling. Surely one C. had greater acquirements than the other? Second: the place where Giulio Cesare was killed with the numbered statues -- we can have Giulio passing by and naming each of them? III Your choice? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Coponio – Ossia: Grice e Coponio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Coponio. For the Coponii, my first choice would actually be your first vignette—the two brothers praised collectively by Cicero. Why? Because it raises a very Gricean problem about group predication. Cicero speaks of:  Titus et Gaius Coponii ... adolescentes summa doctrina,  or words to that effect—two brothers praised together as young men of great accomplishments. The philosophical puzzle is immediate:  If Cicero praises "the Coponii", does he mean each equally?  Surely one brother knew more law, or spoke better Greek, or was the better orator. One can imagine: INTERLOCVTOR  Cur ambos simul laudas? "Why do you praise both together?"  CICERO  Quia ambo laudandi sunt. "Because both deserve praise."  INTERLOCVTOR  Aeque? "Equally?"  CICERO  Non necesse est. "Not necessarily."  INTERLOCVTOR  Ergo unus altero doctior est? "Then one is more learned than the other?"  CICERO  Fortasse. "Perhaps."  INTERLOCVTOR  Cur igitur non distinguis? "Why then do you not distinguish them?"  CICERO  Quia interdum distributio veritatis minuit gratiam sermonis. "Because sometimes the distribution of truth diminishes the grace of discourse."  That is almost pure Grice. A collective statement:  "The Coponii are accomplished men"  does not entail:  "The Coponii are equally accomplished."  It merely conveys an evaluation of the pair as a conversational unit.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Coponio – Ossia: Grice e Coponio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Coponio. Your second vignette, the fourteen statues of conquered nations in Pompey's theatre, is also splendid. Indeed, I would make Caesar walk through the Porticus ad Nationes naming them one by one:  "Africa." "Hispania." "Pontus." "Armenia."  until a companion remarks:  Tot gentes vicit Pompeius? "Did Pompey conquer all those nations?"  and Caesar replies:  Statuae numerantur facilius quam victoriae. "Statues are counted more easily than victories."  A neat Gricean reflection on representation versus reality.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Coponio – Ossia: Grice e Coponio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Coponio. For a third choice of my own, I would choose Gaius Coponius the praetor, the Pompeian who survived the Civil War. The conversational theme would be:  loyalty after defeat.  AMICVS  Pompeium secutus es. "You followed Pompey."  COPONIVS  Ita. "Yes."  AMICVS  Et victus est. "And he was defeated."  COPONIVS  Etiam. "Yes."  AMICVS  Cur ergo adhuc te bonum civem vocant? "Why then do they still call you a good citizen?"  COPONIVS  Aliud est causam perdere, aliud fidem. "It is one thing to lose a cause, another to lose one's honour."  That strikes me as a particularly Roman and particularly Gricean distinction.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Corfidio – Ossia: Grice e Corfidio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Corfidio. The Corfidii are a family of ancient Rome. The only member of this gens mentioned by Roman writers is Lucius C., an eques known to Tullio Cicero.[1] Other Corfidii are known from epigraphy. Lucius C., an eques whom Cicero listed among those who urged Giulio Caesar to lift the banishment of Quintus Ligarius. Though his argument was effective—Giulio Caesar was visibly overcome by compassion, and granted the request—Tullio Cicero was afterward reminded that C. had died at some time prior to his pleading. Varro was probably thinking of this incident in an anecdote related by Pliny the Elder concerning a C. who returned to life.[2][3][1] P. Corfidius P. l. Dionysus, a freedman buried at Rome, in a tomb built by Philodespotus, dating from the first half of the first century.[4] Corfidia P. l. Prima, a freedwoman named in a first-century funerary inscription from Forum Novum in Sabinum, along with the freedman Publius C. Primus, and her own freedman, Anicetus, a boy aged nine.[5] Publius C. P. l. Primus, a freedman named in a first-century inscription from Forum Novum, along with the freedwoman Corfidia Prima, and her freedman, Anicetus.[5] Publius C. Signinus, buried at Rome, in a tomb dating between the latter half of the first century, and the first half of the second, built by his dear friend, Quintus Sallustius Hermes, who dedicated a verse and ten pots in memory of Signinus.[6] Corfidia Tertia, an elderly woman buried at Ammaedara in Africa proconsularis, aged one hundred and ten, in a second- or third-century tomb dedicated by her sons, Felicius and Fortunatus.[7] C. Crementius, a fourth-century flamen at Thamugadi in Numidia, where his kinsmen erected a monument in his honour. In another inscription, he is listed among the municipal officials and dignitaries of Thamugadi. Undated Corfidii Publius Corfidius P. l. Demetrius, a freedman, buried in a family sepulchre at Rome, built by the freedman Publius Corfidius Dorus for his family and fellow freedmen.[11] Publius C. P. l. Dorus, a freedman, built a family sepulchre at Rome for himself, his wife, the freedwoman Corfidia Quarta, their children, Primus and Prima, and the freedmen Publius Corfidius Demetrius and Publius Corfidius Mystes.[11] Publius Corfidius P. l. Mystes, a freedman, buried in a family sepulchre at Rome, built by the freedman Publius Corfidius Dorus for his family and fellow freedmen.[11] (Corfidia P. f.) Prima, daughter of the freedman Publius Corfidius Dorus and Corfidia Quarta, buried in a family sepulchre at Rome, built by her father for himself, his wife, their children, Primus and Prima, and his fellow freedmen.[11] (Publius Corfidius P. f.) Primus, son of the freedman Publius Corfidius Dorus and Corfidia Quarta, buried in a family sepulchre at Rome, built by his father for himself, his wife, their children, Primus and Prima, and his fellow freedmen.[11] Corfidia P. l. Quarta, a freedwoman, and wife of the freedman Publius Corfidius Dorus, who built a family sepulchre at Rome for himself, his wife, their children, Primus and Prima, and fellow freedmen Publius Corfidius Demetrius and Publius Corfidius Mystes.[11] Corfidius Valentinianus, a flamen commemorated among the municipal officials and dignitaries of Thamugadi. The fourth-century flamen Corfidius Crementius is listed toward the end of the inscription.[10] See also List of Roman gentes References  William Smith, "L. Corfidius", in Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, p. 852.  Cicero, Pro Ligario, 11; Epistulae ad Atticum, xiii. 44.  Pliny the Elder, Historia Naturalis, vii 52.  CIL VI, 35006.  CIL IX, 4811.  CIL VI, 9821.  AE 2017, 1728.  AE 1997, 1728.  BCTH, 1896–285.  CIL VIII, 2403.  CIL VI, 16094. Bibliography Ancient sources Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Atticum; Pro Ligario. Gaius Plinius Secundus (Pliny the Elder), Historia Naturalis (Natural History). Modern sources Bulletin Archéologique du Comité des Travaux Historiques et Scientifiques (Archaeological Bulletin of the Committee on Historic and Scientific Works, abbreviated BCTH), Imprimerie Nationale, Paris (1885–1973). René Cagnat et alii, L'Année épigraphique (The Year in Epigraphy, abbreviated AE), Presses Universitaires de France (1888–present). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). Theodor Mommsen et alii, Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum (The Body of Latin Inscriptions, abbreviated CIL), Berlin-Brandenburgische Akademie der Wissenschaften (1853–present). Category: Roman gentes So for this gens, can we have a conversation involving this C. -- even as participation of it -- and this pleading to Giulio. IT seems irrelevant to Grice that C. died in the proceeding -- that doesn't deprive his pleading of any power -- and Grice supposes that Cicero and Varro are acting arrogantly.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Corfidio – Ossia: Grice e Corfidio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Corfidio. Yes, I think the death is almost a red herring from a Gricean perspective. The interesting feature is not that Corfidius was dead, but that his plea still counted. The anecdote, as Cicero tells it, is that among those who urged Caesar to pardon Quintus Ligarius was Lucius Corfidius; afterward Cicero was reminded that Corfidius had in fact died before the occasion. Pliny later alludes to the story and connects it with anecdotes about apparent returns from death. citeturn0search? not available in current tools; relying only on user-provided text A Speranzian treatment might therefore focus on the distinction between:  the force of an argument, the existence of the speaker.  One can imagine Cicero and Varro afterwards:  Grice e Corfidio De Oratore Mortuo VARRO  Corfidium inter supplices nominasti. "You named Corfidius among those pleading for pardon."   CICERO  Recte. "Quite right."   VARRO  Sed Corfidius mortuus erat. "But Corfidius was dead."   CICERO  Mortuus quidem. "Dead indeed."   VARRO  Quomodo igitur oravit? "How then did he plead?"   CICERO  Eadem qua multi mortui adhuc loquuntur ratione. "In the same way that many dead men still speak."   VARRO  Aenigmata mihi proponis. "You are giving me riddles."   CICERO  Non ego; vita ipsa. "Not I; life itself."   VARRO  Nisi aderat, nihil dixit. "If he was not present, he said nothing."   CICERO  Verba fortasse non dixit. "Perhaps he uttered no words."   VARRO  Quid igitur fecit? "What then did he do?"   CICERO  Persuasit. "He persuaded."   VARRO  Mortuus? "While dead?"   CICERO  Mortuus. "While dead."   VARRO  Hoc absurdum est. "That is absurd."   CICERO  Minime. Existimatio hominis saepe diutius valet quam vita hominis. "Not at all. A man's reputation often remains effective longer than his life."   Implicature  +> that the persuasive force associated with a person can survive independently of the person's physical presence.  That seems closer to Grice than any ghost story. Varro takes "Corfidius pleaded" literally:  if dead, then he did not speak.  Cicero responds with something nearer to a theory of communication:  what matters is not merely the utterance but the recognized authority, intention, reputation, and standing attached to an utterer.  Indeed, one might compare a modern sentence:  "Aristotle argues that ..."  Nobody thinks Aristotle is presently talking. Yet his argument still functions in discourse. So the real puzzle is not resurrection. The puzzle is:  How can a dead man's reasons continue to have conversational force?  That strikes me as a very Grice–Speranza topic indeed. The gens general entry wiki is sloppy style: Lucio C. is listed among those who urge Giulio to lift a banishment. Wiki: "Though his [whose?] argument was effective." If it was a collective plead, Lucio C. could have been QUOTED as having pleaded for the case and added to the arguments proposed by the OTHER pleaders? Or the implicature is that since Tullio was afterwards CORRECTED that Lucio C. was dead, what TULLIO wrote originallly was FALSE -- if not a lie -- and VARRO who followed in detail whatever Cicero was doing, brings Pliny's case of the C. that comes from death? do we have the source for Pliny? Thanks I think you've put your finger on two distinct problems, one stylistic and one historical. 1. The Wikipedia sentence is sloppy The entry says:  "Though his argument was effective—Caesar was visibly overcome by compassion, and granted the request..."  The immediate question is:  Whose argument?  Lucius Corfidius was only one member of a group of intercessors. The antecedent of "his" is unclear. The sentence invites the reader to think:  Corfidius alone spoke, Corfidius persuaded Caesar, and therefore Corfidius' argument succeeded.  But the same entry also says that he was listed among those urging Caesar to pardon Ligarius. [en.wikipedia.org] A better formulation would be:  "The plea was effective..."  or  "The intercession was effective..."  or, if one wishes to emphasize Cicero:  "Cicero's plea was effective..."  The pronoun "his" is doing more work than the evidence warrants.  2. What exactly was Cicero's mistake? The really interesting point comes from Cicero himself. A later source reports that Cicero acknowledged that naming Corfidius was an error and requested that the reference be removed from published copies because Corfidius had died earlier. [grokipedia.com] If that report is correct, then the problem is not:  "Corfidius once supported Ligarius and his opinion still mattered."  The problem is:  Cicero represented Corfidius as being present among the current intercessors when he was already dead.  Thus the statement was factually false. Not necessarily a lie; more likely a lapse of memory. A Gricean would distinguish:  falsehood, and deception.  One may utter a false proposition without intending to deceive.  3. Pliny's actual Corfidius story The source behind the "returned from death" remark is indeed Pliny, Natural History 7.177–178. Pliny recounts a story involving two equestrian brothers named Corfidius. The elder brother appeared to die. While funeral arrangements were underway, he suddenly revived, clapped for the servants, and reported that he had come from his brother. While he was speaking, news arrived that the younger brother had actually died, and buried gold was allegedly found exactly where the revived brother said it would be. [loebclassics.com] So Pliny's anecdote is not about Cicero's Corfidius directly. Rather, it is a story about a Corfidius who appeared dead and returned to life. [loebclassics.com] This makes the conjecture in the gens article understandable:  Cicero mistakenly treats Corfidius as alive; Pliny tells a famous story about a Corfidius returning from apparent death; later writers connect the two.  But that connection is an interpretation, not a fact stated by Pliny himself. [loebclassics.com], [en.wikipedia.org]  A very Gricean reconstruction VARRO  Corfidium inter supplices posuisti.  "You included Corfidius among the petitioners." CICERO  Posui.  "I did." VARRO  Sed mortuus erat.  "But he was dead." CICERO  Memoria, non voluntas, peccavit.  "It was memory that erred, not intention." VARRO  Itaque Corfidius ex mortuis rediit?  "So Corfidius returned from the dead?" CICERO  In oratione mea, fortasse.  "In my speech, perhaps." That last line is precisely where Grice would smile: Corfidius did not literally return from the dead; he returned into discourse. The conversational and rhetorical presence survived even when the man did not.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cornelio. Entrance to the Tomb of the Scipios at Rome. The gens Cornelia was one of the greatest patrician houses at ancient Rome.[1] For more than seven hundred years, from the early decades of the Republic to the third century AD, the Cornelii produced more eminent statesmen and generals than any other gens. At least seventy-five consuls under the Republic were members of this family, beginning with Servius Cornelius Maluginensis in 485 BC. Together with the Aemilii, Claudii, Fabii, Manlii, and Valerii, the Cornelii were almost certainly numbered among the gentes maiores, the most important and powerful families of Rome, who for centuries dominated the Republican magistracies. All of the major branches of the Cornelian gens were patrician, but there were also plebeian Cornelii, at least some of whom were descended from freedmen.[2]  Origin The origin of the Cornelii is lost to history, but the nomen Cornelius may be formed from the hypothetical cognomen Corneus, meaning "horny", that is, having thick or callused skin. The existence of such a cognomen in early times may be inferred from its diminutive, Corneolus. Such a derivation implies a Latin origin for the Cornelii, and there is no evidence to contradict this, but beyond this no traditions survive relating to the family's beginning.[1]  Praenomina The Cornelii employed a wide variety of praenomina, although individual families tended to favor certain names and avoid others. Servius, Lucius, Publius, and Gnaeus were common to most branches, while other names were used by individual stirpes; Marcus primarily by the Cornelii Maluginenses and the Cethegi, Gaius by the Cethegi, and Aulus by the Cossi. Other names occur infrequently; Tiberius appears once amongst the Lentuli, who later revived the old surname Cossus as a praenomen, while the Cornelii Sullae made use of Faustus.  Branches and cognomina The Cornelian gens included both patricians and plebeians, but all of its major families were patrician. The surnames Arvina, Blasio, Cethegus, Cinna, Cossus, Dolabella, Lentulus, Maluginensis, Mammula, Merenda, Merula, Rufinus, Scapula, Scipio, Sisenna, and Sulla belonged to patrician Cornelii, while the plebeian cognomina included Balbus and Gallus. Other surnames are known from freedmen, including Chrysogonus, Culleolus, Phagita, and others. A number of plebeian Cornelii had no cognomen.[2]  The first of the Cornelii to appear in history bore the surname Maluginensis. This family seems to have divided into two stirpes in the 430s, the senior line retaining Maluginensis, while the younger branches assumed Cossus. From their filiations, the first of the Cornelii Cossi would seem to have been younger sons of Marcus Cornelius Maluginensis, a member of the Second Decemvirate in 450 BC. Both families produced a number of consuls and consular tribunes during the fourth and fifth centuries BC. The Maluginenses disappeared before the period of the Samnite Wars, although the Cornelii Scipiones appear to have been descended from this family, while the surname Cossus appears as late as the beginning of the third century; members of the latter family also bore the cognomina Rutilus, "reddish", and Arvina. Cossus itself seems to belong to a class of surnames derived from objects or animals, referring to the larva of certain beetles that burrow under the bark of trees. The Cornelii Lentuli subsequently revived Cossus as a surname.[3][4]  The Cornelii Scipiones derived their surname from a legend in which the first of the family served as a staff (scipio) for his blind father. Since the first of the Scipiones seems to have borne the cognomen Maluginensis, he would seem to have been the son of Publius Cornelius Maluginensis, one of the consular tribunes in 404 BC. The Scipiones produced numerous consuls and several prominent generals, of whom the most celebrated were Lucius Cornelius Scipio Barbatus and Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus. Members of this family held the highest offices of the Roman state from the beginning of the fourth century BC down to the second century of the Empire, a span of nearly six hundred years. Its members bore a large number of additional surnames, including Barbatus, "bearded", Scapula, "shoulder blade", Asina, "she-ass", Calvus, "bald", Hispallus, "little Spaniard", Nasica, "nosed", and Corculum, "little heart", in addition to those derived from their military exploits: Africanus and Asiaticus. The last generations of this great family were originally adopted from the Salvidieni, and so bore the additional names of Salvidienus Orfitus. The Scipiones had a large family sepulchre at Rome, which still exists, having been rediscovered twice, most recently in 1780.[5][6][7]  The cognomen Lentulus probably belongs to a class of surnames deriving from the habits or qualities of the persons to whom they were first applied; the adjective lentulus means "rather slow". An alternative explanation is that the name is a diminutive of lens, a lentil, and so belongs to the same class of surnames as Cicero, a chickpea, and Caepio, an onion.[8][9] The Cornelii Lentuli were famed for their pride and haughtiness, so that Cicero uses Lentulitas, "Lentulusness", to describe the most aristocratic of the patricians.[10] The Lentuli appear in history from the time of the Samnite Wars to the first century of the Empire, a period of about four hundred years. Their origin is uncertain. According to Livy, early in the Second Samnite War, Lucius Cornelius Lentulus described his father as the only man who, during the Gallic sack of Rome in 390 BC, had opposed paying a ransom to ensure the departure of the Gauls from the city.[11] The filiations of other early Lentuli suggest that their ancestors used the name Gnaeus, suggesting that they could have been descendants of the Cornelii Cossi.  The Lentuli used a number of additional surnames, including Caudinus, apparently referring to the Battle of the Caudine Forks, crus, a leg, or the shin, Gaetulicus, bestowed upon the conqueror of the Gaetuli, Lupus, a wolf, Niger, black, Spinther, a bracelet, and Sura, the calf. The Lentuli also revived several old cognomina that had belonged to other stirpes of the Cornelii: Maluginensis, Cossus, Rufinus, and Scipio. At least two of this family bore surnames derived from other gentes; Clodianus was borne by a Lentulus who had been adopted from the Clodii, while Marcellinus belonged to a member of the family who was adopted from the Claudii Marcelli.[9][12][13]  The Cornelii Rufini appear in the latter half of the fourth century BC, beginning with Publius Cornelius Rufinus, dictator in 334 BC. From the surname Rufinus, meaning "reddish", one may infer that the first of this family had red hair.[7] A descendant of this family was the first to assume the cognomen Sulla, about the time of the Second Punic War. The name is probably a diminutive of Sura, a cognomen found in several gentes, including among the Cornelii Lentuli, and probably referred to someone with prominent calves.[7] Plutarch, who erroneously believed that the dictator Sulla was the first to bear the name, thought it must have referred to a blotchy, reddish complexion, while Macrobius derives it from Sibylla, an etymology that is rejected by Quintilian.[14][15][16][17] The dictator Sulla adopted the agnomen Felix, meaning "fortunate" or "happy", and this name was passed on to some of his descendants.[18] The Sullae continued in the highest offices of the state well into imperial times. The last appearing in history fell victim to Elagabalus, early in the third century AD.[14]  The Dolabellae first came to prominence at the beginning of the third century BC, and so remained until the reign of Vitellius. Several of the Dolabellae achieved high office, and one was Rex Sacrorum, but many of this family were notorious for their pride, extravagance, and disregard for the law. Their surname, Dolabella, is a diminutive of dolabra, a mattock or pickaxe, and belongs to a common class of surnames derived from everyday objects.[4][19]  Several lesser patrician stirpes flourished during the late Republic and early years of the Empire. The Cornelii Merendae flourished for about a century, beginning in the early third century BC. Their cognomen means the midday meal, and is also found among the patrician Antonii. The Blasiones appeared at the same time and flourished for about 160 years; their surname was originally given to one who stammers.[7] Cethegus is a cognomen whose original meaning and significance have been lost. The Cornelii Cethegi first appear in the latter half of the third century BC, and were described by Horace as cinctuti Cethegi, for their old-fashioned practice of wearing their arms bare. They remained prominent for the next two centuries.[20][21] The Cornelii Mammulae held several praetorships, beginning at the time of the Second Punic War, but they never attained the consulship, and disappeared after about fifty years. Their surname is a diminutive of mamma, a breast.[22][7] Merula refers to an ouzel, or blackbird. The family that bore this surname rose from obscurity at the beginning of the second century BC, and continued for the next century.[23] The Cornelii Cinnae were the last patrician family to emerge in the late second century BC; they retained prominence until the early decades of the Empire.[24]  Balbus, which like Blasio signifies a stammerer,[7] was not originally a surname of the Cornelia gens, but was adopted by a native of Gades, who was granted Roman citizenship by Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, as a reward for military service during the War against Sertorius. He probably took the nomen Cornelius after Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, who ratified the act making Balbus a citizen in 72 BC. He eventually attained the consulship, but the family, which was plebeian, disappeared from history in the early years of the Empire.[25] Another plebeian surname of the Cornelii was Gallus, known from Gaius Cornelius Gallus, the poet, who came to Rome from Forum Julii as a young man. His surname signified his Gallic origin.[26][27]  Members  Monument of Gaius Cornelius Calvus, and his brother, Lucius. This list includes abbreviated praenomina. For an explanation of this practice, see filiation. Cornelii Maluginenses Publius Cornelius Maluginensis, the father of the consul of 485 BC Servius Cornelius P. f. Cossus Maluginensis,[i] consul in 485 BC, fought against the Veientes.[28][29] Lucius Cornelius Ser. f. P. n. Maluginensis, consul in 459 BC. Marcus Cornelius L. f. Ser. n. Maluginensis, a member of the second decemvirate in 450 BC.[30][31] Marcus Cornelius M. f. Maluginensis, consul in 436 BC. Publius Cornelius M. f. M. n. Maluginensis, consular tribune in 404 BC. Publius Cornelius P. f. M. n. Maluginensis, consular tribune in 397 and 390, and magister equitum in 396 BC. Marcus Cornelius P. f. M. n. Maluginensis, censor in 393 BC. Servius Cornelius P. f. M. n. Maluginensis, consular tribune in 386, 384, 382, 380, 376, 370, and 368 BC.[32][33] He was also magister equitum in 361. Marcus Cornelius Maluginensis, consular tribune in 369 and 367 BC.[34] Cornelii Cossi Servius Cornelius M. f. L. n. Cossus, consular tribune in 434 BC.[35][36] Aulus Cornelius M. f. L. n. Cossus, consul in 428 and consular tribune in 426 BC, slew Lars Tolumnius, King of Veii, to claim the spolia opima. Publius Cornelius A. f. P. n. Cossus, consular tribune in 415 BC.[37][38] Gnaeus Cornelius A. f. M. n. Cossus, consular tribune in 415 and consul in 409 BC. Aulus Cornelius A. f. M. n. Cossus, consul in 413 BC. Publius Cornelius A. f. M. n. Cossus, consular tribune in 408 BC.[39][40] Publius Cornelius M. f. L. n. Rutilus Cossus, dictator in 408 and consular tribune in 406 BC. Gnaeus Cornelius P. f. A. n. Cossus, consular tribune in 406, 404, and 401 BC. Publius Cornelius Maluginensis Cossus, consular tribune in 395, and consul in 393 BC. Aulus Cornelius Cossus, dictator in 385 BC. Aulus Cornelius Cossus, consular tribune in 369 and 367 BC.[34] Aulus Cornelius P. f. A. n. Cossus Arvina, consul in 343 and 332, and dictator in 322 BC. Aulus Cornelius Arvina, fetialis around the late fourth century BC. Publius Cornelius A. f. P. n. Arvina, consul in 306 and 288, and censor in 294 BC. Cornelii Scipiones Further information: Family tree of the Cornelii Scipiones  Four Cornelii Scipiones (clockwise from top left): Scipio Africanus, Scipio Asiaticus,[41][42] Scipio Aemilianus,[43][44] and Scipio Nasica Corculum.[45][46] Publius Cornelius P. f. M. n. Maluginensis Scipio, magister equitum in 396 BC, and consular tribune in 395 and 394.[47] Publius Cornelius P. f. Scipio, one of the two first curule aediles appointed in 366 BC, and magister equitum in 350. Lucius Cornelius P. f. Scipio, consul in 350 BC. Publius Cornelius (Scipio?) Scapula, consul in 328 BC, according to Livy; the Chronicon of 354 gives his surname as Barbatus.[48][49] Publius Cornelius Scipio Barbatus, possibly consul in 328 BC, although Livy gives his surname as Scapula. Dictator in 306, either he or his brother, Gnaeus was pontifex maximus in 304.[50][51] Gnaeus Cornelius Scipio (Barbatus), the father of Scipio Barbatus, the consul of 298 BC, may have been pontifex maximus in 304.[52] Lucius Cornelius Cn. f. Scipio Barbatus, consul in 298 BC, and censor in 280. Gnaeus Cornelius L. f. Cn. n. Scipio Asina, consul in 260 and 254 BC, during the First Punic War. Lucius Cornelius L. f. Cn. n. Scipio, consul in 259 and censor in 258 BC, captured Sardinia and Corsica. Publius Cornelius Cn. f. L. n. Scipio Asina, consul in 221 BC. Gnaeus Cornelius L. f. L. n. Scipio Calvus, consul in 222 BC, slain in Hispania, 211. Publius Cornelius L. f. L. n., consul in 218 BC, slain in Hispania, 211. Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Scipio, a younger brother of the Scipiones who were slain in Hispania, and uncle of Africanus. Publius Cornelius P. f. L. n. Scipio Africanus, the conqueror of Hannibal; consul in 205 and 194 BC, and censor in 199; Princeps Senatus. Publius Cornelius Cn. f. L. n. Scipio Nasica, consul in 191 BC. Lucius Cornelius P. f. L. n. Scipio Asiaticus, consul in 190 BC. Defeated Antiochus III the Great in 189. Publius Cornelius P. f. L. n. Scipio, elder son of Scipio Africanus, was elected augur in 180 BC. He was a noted historian and scholar. Lucius Cornelius P. f. L. n. Scipio, younger son of Scipio Africanus, praetor peregrinus in 174 BC, expelled from the Senate by the censors. Cornelia P. f. L. n., elder daughter of Scipio Africanus, wife of Publius Cornelius Scipio Nasica Corculum, and mother of Serapio. Cornelia P. f. L. n., younger daughter of Scipio Africanus, and mother of Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus. Gnaeus Cornelius Cn. f. L. n. Scipio Hispallus, praetor in 179 BC, and then became consul in 176.[53] Marcus Cornelius Scipio Maluginensis, not related to the other Scipiones, he was perhaps a long descendant Publius Cornelius Maluginensis Scipio, of whom he reused the cognomen Maluginensis. He was praetor in 176 BC, but the censors of 174 expelled him from the Senate.[54][55][56] Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Scipio Asiaticus, quaestor in 167 BC. Publius Cornelius P. f. Cn. n. Scipio Nasica Corculum, consul in 162 and 155 BC, and censor in 159; pontifex maximus in 150 and princeps senatus in 147. Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Scipio, son of Publius Cornelius Scipio the historian, was appointed Flamen Dialis in 174 BC. His early death, about 169, compelled his father to adopt Scipio Aemilianus. Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Scipio Africanus Aemilianus, consul in 147 and 134 BC, and censor in 142, triumphed over Carthage and Numantia. Gnaeus Cornelius Cn. f. L. n. Scipio Hispanus, praetor in 139 BC. Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Scipio Nasica Serapio, son of Scipio Nasica Corculum, consul in 138 BC. Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Scipio Nasica, consul in 111 BC. Gnaeus Cornelius Scipio, praetor about 109 BC, refused the province of Spain.[57] Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Scipio Asiaticus, the father of Scipio Asiaticus.[58][59] Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Scipio Nasica, praetor in 93 BC, crushed a revolt in Spain.[60] Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Scipio Asiaticus, consul in 83 BC.[61] Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Scipio Asiaticus Aemilianus, the eldest son of M. Aemilius Lepidus, adopted by the consul of 83 BC.[61] Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Scipio Nasica, afterward Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio Nasica, consul in 52 BC. Cornelia P. f. Metella, daughter of the consul Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio; married first Publius Licinius Crassus and, after his death, Gnaeus Pompeius. Cornelia, daughter of Scribonia, and stepdaughter of Augustus; married Paullus Aemilius Lepidus, consul suffectus in 34 BC.[62] Publius Cornelius Scipio Salvito, accompanied Caesar on his African campaign, in 46 BC.[63][64][65][66] Publius Cornelius P. f. Scipio, consul in 16 BC. Servius Cornelius Ser. f. Scipio Salvidienus Orfitus, consul in AD 51.[67][68][69] Publius Cornelius (P. n.) Scipio, consul in AD 56.[70][71] Publius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus, consul suffectus in AD 68.[72] Servius Cornelius Ser. f. Ser. n. Scipio Salvidienus Orfitus, consul suffectus in an uncertain year during the reign of Domitian, he was later banished and subsequently put to death, supposedly for having plotted against the emperor.[73][74] Cornelius Scipio Orfitus, consul suffectus in AD 101.[75] Servius Cornelius Ser. f. Ser. n. Scipio Salvidienus Orfitus, consul in AD 110, during the reign of Trajan. He was praefectus urbi under Antoninus Pius.[76][77][78] Servius Cornelius (Ser. f.) Ser. n. Scipio Salvidienus Orfitus, proconsul of Africa in AD 163 and 164.[79][80] Servius Cornelius (Ser. f. Ser. n.) Scipio Salvidienus Orfitus, consul in AD 178.[81][82] Servius Cornelius (Ser. f. Ser. n.) Scipio Salvidienus Orfitus, one of the Salii in AD 189 and 190.[83] Lucius Cornelius Scipio Orfitus, vir clarissimus, augur in 295 AD, probably descended from the salius Palatinus.[84][85] (Cornelius?) Scipio, a vir clarissimus in the late 4th century, possibly descended from Lucius Scipio Orfitus, the augur.[86][87] Cornelii Lentuli Lucius Cornelius Lentulus, according to his son, the only senator who voted against paying Brennus and the Gauls to leave Rome, in 390 BC.[88] Lucius Cornelius L. f. Lentulus, consul in 327 and dictator in 320 BC. Servius Cornelius Cn. f. Cn. n. Lentulus, consul in 303 BC.[58][89] Tiberius Cornelius Ser. f. Cn. n. Lentulus, son of the consul of 303 BC.[58] Lucius Cornelius Ti. f. Ser. n. Lentulus Caudinus, consul in 275 BC.[58] Lucius Cornelius L.f. Ti. n. Lentulus Caudinus, consul in 237 BC.[90][91][ii] Publius Cornelius L.f. Ti. n. Lentulus Caudinus, consul in 236 BC.[58] Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Lentulus Caudinus, curule aedile in 209 BC.[92] Publius Cornelius P. f. L. n. Lentulus, praetor in 214 BC. Servius Cornelius Lentulus, curule aedile in 207 BC, and military tribune in Hispania in 205.[93] Publius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Lentulus Caudinus, praetor in 203 BC.[94] Gnaeus Cornelius L. f. L. n. Lentulus, consul in 201 BC, and subsequently one of the triumvirs appointed to bring new colonists to Narnia.[95][96] Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Lentulus, consul in 199 BC. Servius Cornelius Ser. f. Lentulus, ambassador sent to Greece in 171 BC, and praetor in Sicily in 169.[97] Publius Cornelius Ser. f. Lentulus, brother of the praetor of 169, also an ambassador sent to Greece in 171 BC.[98] Lucius Cornelius Lentulus, messenger of Lucius Aemilius Paullus, after the defeat of Perseus, in 168 BC.[99] Publius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Lentulus, consul suffectus in 162 BC. Lucius Cornelius Cn. f. L. n. Lentulus Lupus, consul in 156 and censor in 147 BC. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, consul in 146 BC. Lucius Cornelius Ser. f. Ser. n. Lentulus, praetor in 140 BC.[100] Cornelius Lentulus, praetor in Sicily, defeated circa 134 BC during the First Servile War.[101] Publius Cornelius P. f. L. n. Lentulus, praetor circa 128 BC, was the father of Publius Cornelius Lentulus Sura, consul in 71 BC.[58] Lucius Cornelius Ser. f. Lentulus, quaestor circa 100 BC, was honored at Delos.[102] Publius Cornelius (L. f.) Lentulus, legate of the consul Lucius Caesar in 90 BC, during the Marsic War. He was murdered by partisans of Marius in 87. He was probably father of Publius, quaestor c. 72 BC, and of Lentulus Crus.[103][104][105][106] Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, consul in 97 BC. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Clodianus, consul in 72, and censor in 70 BC. Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Lentulus Sura, consul in 71 BC, later one of Catiline's conspirators. Publius Cornelius P. f. L. n. Lentulus, quaestor circa 72 BC, possibly identical with Lentulus Spinther.[106] Publius Cornelius P. f. (L. or Cn. n.) Lentulus Spinther, consul in 57 BC. Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Lentulus Spinther, a partisan of Pompeius, and later one of the conspirators against Caesar. Publius Cornelius Lentulus Marcellinus, the son of Marcus Claudius Marcellus, he was adopted by one of the Cornelii Lentuli. He was a lieutenant of Pompeius during the war against the pirates, in 67 BC, and was an orator of considerable merit.[107][108][109] Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Cn. f. Clodianus, sent to observe the progress of the Helvetii in 60 BC. Gnaeus Cornelius P. f. Lentulus Marcellinus, consul in 56 BC. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Vatia, mentioned by Cicero in 56 BC.[110] Lucius Cornelius Lentulus Niger, Flamen Martialis, died in 56 BC. Lucius Cornelius L. f. Lentulus, Flamen Martialis following Lucius Cornelius Lentulus Niger, was still alive in 20 BC. Lucius Cornelius Lentulus Crus, consul in 49 BC, and a partisan of Pompeius. (Publius) Cornelius Cn. f. P. n. Lentulus Marcellinus, quaestor in 48 BC, commanded a portion of Caesar's fortifications at Dyrrhachium, where he was defeated by Pompeius with heavy losses, but afterward saved by Mark Antony.[111][112][113] Lucius Cornelius Lentulus Cruscellio, proscribed by the triumvirs in 43 BC, but escaped, and was later reconciled with them. He was consul suffectus in 38 BC.[114][115] Gnaeus Cornelius L. f. Lentulus, consul in 18 BC.[116] Publius Cornelius Lentulus P. f. (Cn. n.) Marcellinus, consul in 18 BC.[117][118] Gnaeus Cornelius Cn. f. Lentulus Augur, consul in 14 BC. Lucius Cornelius L. f. Lentulus, consul in 3 BC.[119][120] Cornelia (L. f.), wife of Lucius Volusius Saturninus, consul suffectus in AD 3. Cossus Cornelius Cn. f. (Cn. n.) Lentulus Gaetulicus, consul in 1 BC. Publius Cornelius Lentulus Scipio, consul suffectus in AD 2. Servius Cornelius Lentulus Maluginensis, consul suffectus in AD 10. He had been appointed Flamen Dialis by Augustus, which prevented him from being appointed governor of Asia in AD 22. Servius Cornelius Ser. f. Lentulus Maluginensis, appointed Flamen Dialis in place of his father, following the latter's death in AD 23. Publius Cornelius P. f. Lentulus Scipio, legate of Quintus Junius Blaesus, proconsul of Africa in AD 22, was consul suffectus in AD 24.[121] Cossus Cornelius Cossi f. Cn. n. Lentulus, consul in AD 25. Gnaeus Cornelius Cossi f. Cn. n. Lentulus Gaetulicus, consul in AD 26. Publius Cornelius Lentulus, consul suffectus in AD 27.[122] Gnaeus Cornelius Cn. f. Cossi n. Lentulus Gaetulicus, consul suffectus in AD 55.[123] Cossus Cornelius Cossi f. Cn. n. Lentulus, consul in AD 60.[124][125] Cornelius Lentulus, a celebrated actor and writer of pantomimes; his period is uncertain, but he must have lived before the end of the first century.[126] Cornelii Rufini et Sullae Publius Cornelius Rufinus, dictator in 334 BC, but resigned due to a fault in his nomination. The Fasti Consulares list him again as dictator again in 333, during the first "Dictator Year" (a year without consul), but the historicity of the Dictator Years is doubted by modern scholars. Livy only mentions him in 334.[127][128] Gnaeus Cornelius Rufinus, the son of Publius Cornelius Rufinus, the dictator of 334 BC, was father of Publius Cornelius Rufinus, dictator in 280. Publius Cornelius Cn. f. P. n. Rufinus, grandson of the dictator Publius Cornelius Rufinus, was consul in 290 and 277 BC, and dictator in 280.[129] Publius Cornelius P. f. (Rufinus) Sulla, Flamen Dialis from circa 270 BC until the middle of the century, was the first of the Cornelii to bear the cognomen Sulla.[130] He was probably the son of Publius Cornelius Rufinus, consul in 290 and 277, and father of Publius Cornelius Sulla, praetor in 212.[131] Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Sulla, praetor urbanus and peregrinus in 212 BC, held the first Ludi Apollinares.[132] Publius Cornelius P. f. Sulla, praetor in 186 BC, obtained Sicily as his province.[133] Servius Cornelius P. f. Sulla, praetor in 175 BC, he obtained Sardinia as his province. He later served as a commissioner, sent to assist Lucius Aemilius Paullus in arranging the affairs of Macedonia, in 167 BC.[134][135] Publius Cornelius Sulla, triumvir monetalis in 151 BC, possibly the uncle of the dictator Lucius Cornelius Sulla.[136] Lucius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Sulla, son of the Publius Cornelius Sulla who was praetor in 186 BC, and father of the dictator Lucius Cornelius Sulla.[137] Lucius Cornelius L. f. P. n. Sulla Felix, consul in 88 and 80, and dictator rei publicae constituendae causa from 82 to 81 BC.[138] Servius Cornelius L. f. P. n. Sulla, brother of the dictator Lucius Cornelius Sulla.[139][140] Cornelia L. f. L. n., daughter of the dictator by his first wife, Ilia; married first Quintus Pompeius Rufus, and after his death, Mamercus Aemilius Lepidus Livianus. Cornelius L. f. L. n. Sulla, son of the dictator by his fourth wife, Caecilia Metella, died in the lifetime of his father.[141][142] Faustus Cornelius L. f. L. n. Sulla, son of the dictator, was quaestor in 54 BC, and later a partisan of Pompeius. Fausta Cornelia L. f. L. n., daughter of the dictator, and twin sister of Faustus Cornelius Sulla. Cornelia L. f. L. n. Postuma, daughter of the dictator by his fifth wife, Valeria.[143] Publius Cornelius Ser. f. L. n. Sulla, a nephew of the dictator, was elected consul in 66 BC, but was disqualified from the office. Servius Cornelius Ser. f. L. n. Sulla, another nephew of the dictator, took part in both of the conspiracies of Catiline.[144][145] Cornelia F. f. L. n., the daughter of Faustus Cornelius Sulla, and granddaughter of Lucius Cornelius Sulla the dictator. Publius Cornelius P. f. Ser. n. Sulla, son of Publius Cornelius Sulla, the consul of 66 BC, may have been the father of Lucius Cornelius Sulla, consul in 5 BC.[146] Lucius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Sulla, consul in 5 BC.[147][148] Lucius Cornelius Sulla P. f. F. n. Felix, a member of the Arval Brethren, was a grandson of Faustus Cornelius Sulla, the quaestor of 54 BC. He died in AD 21. He was the father of Faustus, consul in AD 31, and Lucius, consul in 33.[149] Faustus Cornelius L. f. P. n. Sulla, son of the Arval Sulla Felix, was consul suffectus in AD 31. Lucius Cornelius L. f. P. n. Sulla Felix, another son of the Arval Sulla Felix, was consul in AD 33.[150][151] Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Sulla, son of Lucius Cornelius Sulla, the consul of AD 33, was consul suffectus in AD 52.[58] Faustus Cornelius L. f. L. n. Sulla Felix, son of Lucius Cornelius Sulla, the consul of AD 52, was put to death by Nero in 63. Cornelius Sulla, governor of Cappadocia, put to death by Elagabalus.[152] Cornelii Dolabellae Publius Cornelius Dolabella Maximus, consul in 283 BC. Marcus Cornelius Dolabella, praetor in Sicily in 211 BC. Gnaeus Cornelius Dolabella, inaugurated as rex sacrorum in place of Marcus Marcius in 208 BC, and held this office until his death in 180.[153] Lucius Cornelius Dolabella, duumvir navalis in 180 BC. Gnaeus Cornelius Cn. f. Cn. n. Dolabella, consul in 159 BC. Publius Cornelius L. f. Dolabella, father of the proconsul Lucius. Gnaeus Cornelius Cn. f. Cn. n. Dolabella, put to death in 100 BC, together with the tribune Saturninus.[154] Lucius Cornelius P. f. L. n. Dolabella, as proconsul in 99 BC, defeated the Lusitani and received a triumph.[155] Gnaeus Cornelius Cn. f. Cn. n. Dolabella, consul in 81 BC. Gnaeus Cornelius Dolabella, praetor urbanus in 81 BC, an accomplice of Verres. Publius Cornelius Dolabella, praetor urbanus in 67 BC, and later proconsul of Asia.[156][157] Publius Cornelius Dolabella, consul suffectus in 44 BC, and Cicero's son-in-law. Publius Cornelius Dolabella, consul in 35 BC. Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Dolabella, consul in AD 10 and proconsul of Africa in AD 23 and 24, conqueror of Tacfarinas.[158] Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Dolabella, consul in AD 55 and son of the consul in AD 10.[159][160] Gnaeus Cornelius Dolabella, was put to death by Vitellius upon the emperor's accession in 69.[161][162][160] Servius Cornelius Cn. f. Dolabella Petronianus, consul in AD 86.[163][164][165] Cornelius Dolabella Veranianus, one of the sons of various Roman senators who were appointed to serve the Arval Brethren in AD 105.[166] Servius Cornelius P. n. Dolabella Metilianus, either the father or the brother of the consul of AD 113.[167] Servius Cornelius Ser. f. P. n. Dolabella Metilianus Pompeius Marcellus, consul suffectus in AD 113.[168] Cornelii Merendae Servius Cornelius P. f. Ser. n. Merenda, legate in 275 BC under the consul Lucius Cornelius Lentulus Caudinus, who rewarded him for taking a Samnite town.[169] He was then consul in 274.[170] Publius Cornelius Merenda, failed candidate to the consulship in 217 BC.[171] Gnaeus Cornelius Merenda, praetor in Sardinia in 194 BC, and one of the ten ambassadors sent to Asia to negotiate and implement the Treaty of Apamea in 189 and 188.[172][173] Cornelii Blasiones Gnaeus Cornelius P. f. Cn. n. Blasio, consul in 270 and 257 BC, and censor in 265. He might have been Princeps Senatus in the 240s and early 230s.[174] Gnaeus Cornelius Blasio, praetor in Sicily in 194 BC.[175] Publius Cornelius Blasio, ambassador to the Carni, Istri, and Iapydes in 170 BC, and special commissioner in 168.[176] Gnaeus Cornelius Cn. f. Blasio, triumvir monetalis circa 112 BC.[177] Cornelii Cethegi  Denarius of Cornelius Cethegus, minted 115–114 BC. The obverse shows the head of Roma with a Phrygian helmet, while the reverse possible depicts young Dionysus riding a he-goat. Marcus Cornelius M. f. M. n. Cethegus, as flamen in 223 BC, was compelled to abdicate due to an error in performing a sacrifice. Appointed a pontifex in 213, when curule aedile; praetor in 200, censor in 209, consul in 204, and afterwards proconsul in Gaul, where he fought against Mago.[178][179][180][181] Gaius Cornelius L. f. M. n. Cethegus, consul in 197 and censor in 194 BC. Publius Cornelius L. f. P. n. Cethegus, consul in 181 BC. Publius Cornelius Cethegus, praetor in 184 BC.[182] Marcus Cornelius C. f. C. n. Cethegus, consul in 160 BC. Lucius Cornelius (C. f. L. n.) Cethegus, supporter of a bill by the tribune Lucius Scribonius Libo to impeach Servius Sulpicius Galba in 149 BC.[183][184] Cornelius Cethegus, triumvir monetalis in 115 or 114 BC.[185] Publius Cornelius Cethegus, a partisan of Gaius Marius, was pardoned by Sulla in 83 BC. Gaius Cornelius Cethegus, joined the conspiracy of Catiline in 63 BC, and was executed after its failure.[186][187] Cornelius Cethegus, a senator who voted for the death of his brother, Gaius, for his role in Catiline's conspiracy.[188] Servius Cornelius Cethegus, father of Servius, the consul of AD 24. Servius Cornelius Ser. f. Cethegus, consul in AD 24.[164] Marcus Gavius Cornelius Cethegus, consul in AD 170.[189] Cornelii Mammulae Aulus Cornelius Mammula, praetor at the beginning of the Second Punic War in 217 BC. As propraetor in Sardinia the following year, he unsuccessfully petitioned the Senate for money and supplies for his soldiers.[190][191] Aulus Cornelius Mammula, praetor in 191 BC, subsequently received the province of Bruttium.[192][53] Publius Cornelius Mammula, praetor in 180 BC, received the province of Sicily.[193][53] Marcus Cornelius Mammula, one of four ambassadors sent to Perseus of Macedon and Ptolemy VI of Egypt in 173 BC.[194] Cornelii Merulae Lucius Cornelius L. f. Merula, praetor urbanus in 198 BC, and consul in 193.[195] Gnaeus Cornelius Merula, appointed legate by the Senate to resolve a dispute respecting the sovereignty of Cyprus in 162 BC. Lucius Cornelius Merula, curule aedile in 161 BC.[196] Lucius Cornelius Merula, Flamen Dialis, and consul suffectus in 87 BC. Cornelii Sisennae Publius Cornelius Sisenna, praetor urbanus in 183 BC.[197][198] Gnaeus Cornelius Sisenna, praetor in Macedonia in 119 BC, then proconsul the following year.[199][200] Gnaeus Cornelius L. f. Sisenna, triumvir monetalis between 118 and 107 BC.[201] Lucius Cornelius Sisenna, praetor urbanus and peregrinus in 78 BC, then perhaps governor of Sicily; he was a supporter of Verres. Legate under Gnaeus Pompeius in 67, during the war against the pirates, he was sent to command the army based in Crete, but died soon after his arrival. Sisenna was a historian, whose work was greatly praised by Cicero and Sallust.[202][203] Cornelius Sisenna, legate in Syria in 57 BC, serving under his father-in-law, Aulus Gabinius, the consul of the previous year.[iii] when Gabinius was prosecuted for bribery by Gaius Memmius, Sisenna pleaded with Memmius on Gabinius' behalf, but to no avail.[204][205][206] Cornelius Sisenna, triumvir monetalis in 5 BC.[207] Cornelii Cinnae  As of Lucius Cornelius Cinna (here spelt Cina), minted between 169 and 158 BC. The obverse depicts the head of Janus, while the reverse shows a prow. Lucius Cornelius L. f. Cinna, triumvir monetalis between 169 and 158 BC, legate in 136, praetor by 130, and consul in 127.[208][209][210] Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Cinna, consul in 87 (deposed), and from 86 to 84 BC. He was the leader of the Populares after the death of Gaius Marius, but was murdered by his own soldiers during his fourth consulship. Cornelia L. f. L. n., wife of Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus. Cornelia L. f. L. n., daughter of the consul of 87 BC, and wife of Julius Caesar. Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Cinna, praetor in 44, was almost murdered by a mob after denouncing his former brother-in-law, Julius Caesar, after the latter's assassination. Lucius Cornelius L. f. L. n. Cinna, quaestor of Publius Cornelius Dolabella against Brutus in 44 BC. He was probably suffect consul in 32 BC.[211][212][213][214] Gnaeus Cornelius L. f. L. n. Cinna Magnus, consul in AD 5, conspired against Augustus but was pardoned.[215][216] (Cornelia) Magna, sister of Cinna Magnus.[214] Cornelii Balbi Lucius Cornelius Balbus, consul suffectus in 40 BC. Publius Cornelius Balbus, brother of the consul of 40 BC.[217] Lucius Cornelius P. f. Balbus, proconsul of Africa in 21 BC, triumphed over the Garamantes. Other Cornelii during the Republic Aulus Cornelius, quaestor in 459 BC, attempted the prosecution of Marcus Volscius Fictor for his part in the exile of Caeso Quinctius.[218][219] Publius Cornelius Calussa, elected pontifex maximus circa 330 BC, without having first held any of the curule magistracies.[220] Publius Cornelius, praetor in 234 BC, received the province of Sardinia. While there, he and many of those under his command he became sick and died.[221] Gnaeus Cornelius, installed as flamen Dialis in 174 BC.[222] Gaius Cornelius M. f., a senator in 129 BC. He was possibly a son of Marcus Cornelius Cethegus, consul in 160, as the Cethegi were the only Cornelii to use the praenomen Gaius at this time.[223] Lucius Cornelius M. f., a senator in 129 BC. Despite having the same filiation, the two senators of 129 were not directly related, as Lucius belonged to the tribus Romilia and Gaius was from Stellatina.[224] Gnaeus Cornelius Cn. f., of the Palatina tribe, a councilor of the consul Pompeius Strabo in 89 BC, possibly a military tribune. He might be one of the Dolabellae, or the father of Lentulus Clodianus.[225][226][227][228] Cornelius, a scriba during the dictatorship of Sulla, was quaestor during that of Caesar.[229][230] Lucius Cornelius Chrysogonus, a freedman of Sulla who hunted the men proscribed by his master in 82 and 81 BC. Cornelius Phagita, another freedman of Sulla, captured Caesar when he was proscribed in 82 BC.[231][232] Tlepolemus Cornelius, a painter from Cibyra in Sicily, who came into the service of Verres. Cicero called him one of Verres' canes venatici, his hunting dogs.[233] Artemidorus Cornelius, another agent of Gaius Verres. Cornelius Nepos, a historian and contemporary of Cicero. Lucius Cornelius Alexander Polyhistor, a freedman of Greek origin, was a scholar, tutor, and writer on history and geography during the first half of the first century BC. Gaius Cornelius, a quaestor serving under Pompeius, was tribune of the plebs in 67 BC. Publius Cornelius, tribune of the plebs in 51 BC.[234] Cornelius, a centurion in the army of Octavian in 43 BC, sent to Rome to demand the consulship for their general.[235] Gaius Cornelius Gallus, poet, and prefect of Egypt in 30 BC. Other Cornelii of imperial times  House of Cornelius Rufus, Pompeii Cornelius Severus, poet during the time of Augustus.[236] Aulus Cornelius Celsus, a celebrated Latin writer on medicine, probably during the early part of the first century AD. Cornelius Tuscus, a historian spoken of by Seneca the Elder, who accused Mamercus Aemilius Scaurus of majestas in AD 34.[237][238] Cornelius Fuscus, a Roman general and supporter of Vespasian. Cornelius Fuscus, probably son of the general, the addressee of the younger Pliny.[239] Cornelius Martialis, served in the army of Titus Flavius Sabinus, and perished in the burning of the Capitol, in AD 69.[240] Cornelius Laco, prefect of the Praetorian Guard under the emperor Galba, AD 69. Cornelius Rufus, a man whose house was found in Pompeii. Publius Cornelius Tacitus, one of the most celebrated Roman historians, who chronicled the first century of the Empire.[241] Aulus Cornelius Palma Frontonianus, consul in AD 99 and 109, put to death by Hadrian in AD 117. Servius Cornelius, a jurist in the time of Hadrian.[242] Lucius Cornelius Pusio Annius Messalla, consul suffectus in either AD 72 or 73.[243] Lucius Cornelius Pusio Annius Messala, consul in AD 90 and son of the homonymous consul.[244] Quintus Cornelius Senecio Annianus, consul suffectus in AD 142. His brother, Proculus, was consul four years later. Marcus Cornelius Fronto, a famous orator, and consul suffectus in AD 143.[245] Quintus Cornelius Proculus, the brother of Annianus, was consul suffectus in AD 146. Quintus Cornelius Quadratus, consul in AD 147 and brother of the orator. Gnaeus Cornelius Severus, consul in AD 152. Sextus Cornelius Repentinus, praetorian prefect from AD 160 to 167. Cornelius Repentinus, praefectus urbi, son of the praetorian prefect, and son-in-law of the emperor Didius Julianus. Publius Cornelius P. f. Anullinus, a supporter and general of the emperor Septimius Severus. He was consul twice, the second time in AD 199.[246][247] Publius Cornelius Anullinus, consul in AD 216.[248] Julia Cornelia Paula, empress and first wife of the emperor Elagabalus, from AD 219 to 220. Titus Cornelius Celsus, one of the Thirty Tyrants (Roman) enumerated by Trebellius Pollio in the Historia Augusta. Publius Cornelius Saecularis, consul circa AD 240, and again in 260. Cornelia Salonina, empress and wife of the emperor Gallienus, from AD 253 to 268. Publius Licinius Cornelius Valerianus, otherwise known as "Valerian II", the son and heir of Gallienus. Publius Licinius Cornelius Saloninus Valerianus, another son of Gallienus, who elevated him to the rank of Augustus, making him the emperor Saloninus. See also List of Roman gentes Footnotes  The Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology gives his name as Servius Cornelius Cossus Maluginensis, with the implication that the surnames of Cossus and Maluginensis properly belonged to all of the Cornelii before the 430s, when the two branches of the family diverged. However, the authority for this supposition is unclear, as Servius is not given a surname in either Livy or Dionysius, and nowhere are the two surnames united in the Fasti Capitolini.  Mommsen thought that Caudinus was princeps senatus as he spoke first during the debate on the declaration of war against Carthage in 219 BC, but Suolahti and Ryan reject it as several more senior censors were still living by this date.  Sisenna is frequently misidentified as the son, rather than the son-in-law, of Gabinius. References  Chase, p. 124.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, p. 855 ("Cornelia Gens").  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, pp. 378 ("Arvina"), 865 ("Cossus"), vol. II, p. 909 ("Maluginensis").  Chase, pp. 112, 113.  Macrobius, i. 6.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. III, pp. 739–741 ("Scipio").  Chase, pp. 109, 110 (Barbatus, Scapula, Nasica, Calvus), 112, 113 (Asina, Scipio), 114 (Africanus, Hispallus).  Chase, pp. 110–113.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, pp. 728, 729 ("Lentulus").  Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares iii. 7. § 5.  Livy, ix. 4.  Cicero, Epistulae ad Atticum i. 19. § 2.  Pliny the Elder, xviii. 3.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. III, pp. 933–944 ("Sulla").  Plutarch, "The Life of Sulla", 2.  Macrobius, Saturnalia, i. 17.  Quintilian, i. 4. § 25.  Chase, p. 111.  New College Latin & English Dictionary, s. v. dolabra.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, pp. 675, 676 ("Cethegus").  Horace, Ars Poëtica, 50.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, p. 913 ("Mammula").  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, p. 1049 ("Merula").  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. 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Cornelius Gallus").  Chase, pp. 113, 114.  Livy, ii. 41.  Dionysius, viii. 77, 82.  Livy, iii. 35, 40, 41.  Dionysius, x. 58, xi. 15, 23.  Livy, vi. 6, 18, 22, 27, 36, 38.  Diodorus Siculus, xv. 71.  Livy, vi. 36, 42.  Diodorus Siculus, xii. 53.  Livy, iv. 23.  Livy, iv. 49.  Diodorus Siculus, xiii. 34.  Livy, iv. 56.  Diodorus Siculus, xiii. 104.  Coarelli, "I ritratti di ‘Mario’ e ‘Silla’", pp. 73, 74.  Etcheto, Les Scipions, pp. 274–278.  Coarelli, "La doppia tradizione", p. 187.  Etcheto, Les Scipions, pp. 278-282.  Coarelli, Revixit ars, p. 235.  Etcheto, Les Scipions, pp. 272, 273, who disputes the attribution to Nasica Corculum and favours Publius Cornelius Scipio, the grandson of Africanus and Flamen Dialis.  Broughton, The Magistrates of Roman Republic, vol. I, pp. 88–90.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 145 (and note 1).  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families, p. 42.  Broughton, vol. I, pp. 145 (and note 1), 166, 168 (and note 3).  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families, p. 42.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 168 (and note 3).  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families, p. 189.  Livy, xli. 27[dead link].  Broughton, vol. I, p. 400.  Etcheto, Les Scipions, pp. 189, 190.  Valerius Maximus, vi. 3. § 3.  Fasti Capitolini.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. III, p. 748 ("Scipio", no. 19).  Broughton, vol. II, p. 14.  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families p. 282.  John Scheid, "Scribonia Caesaris et les Cornelii Lentuli", in Bulletin de Correspondance Hellénique, 100 (1976), pp. 485–491.  Suetonius, "The Life of Caesar", 59.  Plutarch, "The Life of Caesar", 52.  Cassius Dio, xlii. 58.  Pliny the Elder, vii. 12, xxx. 2.  Tacitus, Annales, xii. 41, xvi. 12; Historiae, iv. 42.  Pliny the Elder, ii. 31.  Reynolds, Inscriptions of Roman Tripolitania, 341.  Tacitus, Annales, xi. 2, 4, xii. 53, xiii. 25.  Pliny the Elder, vii. 12, s. 14.  PIR ² C 1440  Suetonius, "The Life of Domitian", 10.  Gallivan, "The Fasti for A. D. 70-96", p. 211.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. III, p. 43 ("Orfitus", no. 5).  Julius Capitolinus, "The Life of Antoninus Pius", 8.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. III, p. 44 ("Orfitus", no. 6).  Alföldy, Konsulat und Senatorenstand, p. 287.  CIL VIII, 24.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. III, p. 44 ("Orfitus", no. 7).  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. III, p. 44 ("Orfitus", no. 10).  Alföldy, Konsulat und Senatorenstand, pp. 191, 312.  CIL VI, 1980, CIL VI, 1981.  CIL VI, 402, CIL VI, 505, CIL VI, 506  PLRE, vol. I, p. 651.  Symmachus, Epistulae, V. 64; VII. 128.  PLRE, vol. I, p. 810.  Livy, ix. 4.  Livy, x. 1.  Suolahti, Roman Censors, pp. 284, 285.  Ryan, Rank and Participation, pp. 221, 222.  Livy, xxvii. 21.  Livy, xxviii. 10, xxix. 2.  Livy, xxix. 38.  Livy, xxxii. 2.  Broughton, vol. I, pp. 319, 322 (note 1), 329.  Livy, xlii. 37, 47, 49, 56, xliii. 15.  Livy, xlii. 37, 47, 49, 56.  Livy, xlv. 1.  Frontinus, De Aquaeductu, 7.  Florus, iii. 19, 7.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 576.  Appian, Civil Wars, 1. 40, 72.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, p. 730 ("Lentulus", no. 19).  RE, vol. iv.1, col. 1375; suppl. 3, col. 260 (Cornelius 203).  Sumner, The Orators in Cicero's Brutus, pp. 140–143.  Cicero, Brutus, 36.  Appian, Bella Mithridatica, 95.  Orelli, Onomasticon Tullianum, p. 177.  Cicero, Epistulae ad Quintum Fratrem.  Broughton, vol. II, p. 274.  Caesar, De Bello Civili, iii. 62–65.  Orosius, vi. 15.  Valerius Maximus, vi. 7. § 3.  Appian, Bellum Civile, iv. 39.  Cassius Dio, liv. 12.  Cassius Dio, liv. 12, Arg. liv.  Riccio, Monete Consolari, p. 52.  Cassius Dio.  Suetonius, "The Life of Galba", 4.  Tacitus, Annales, iii. 74.  Ehrenberg and Jones, Documents Illustrating the Reigns of Augustus & Tiberius, p. 42.  Ingemar König, Der römische Staat II, Die Kaiserzeit, Stuttgart 1997, p. 468  Tacitus, Annales, xiv. 20.  Frontinus, De Aquaeductu, 102.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, p. 734 ("Lentulus", no. 43).  Livy, viii. 17.  Broughton, vol. I, pp. 140, 141.  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families, p. 195.  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families, pp. 110, 111, who incorrectly calls him Lucius.  Rüpke, Fasti Sacerdotum, p. 644.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 268.  Livy, xxxix. 6, 8.  Livy, xlv. 17.  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families, p. 200.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, pp. 249, 250.  Plutarch, "The Life of Sulla", 1.  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families, v. 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D. 70-96", p. 190.  Fasti Ostienses, CIL XIV, 244.  PIR, vol. I, no. 1096.  PIR, vol. I, no. 1097.  PIR, vol. I, no. 1094.  PIR, vol. I, no. 1095.  Pliny, xxxiii. 38.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 196.  Livy, xxii. 35.  Livy, xxxiv. 42, 43, xxxvii. 55, xxxviii. 38.  Broughton, vol. I, pp. 343, 363, 365 (note 8), 367. Livy's manuscripts mention "Merula", but Broughton thinks it should be Merenda as the ambassadors were only former consuls and praetors.  Ryan, Rank and Participation, pp. 219–221, 223.  Livy, xxxiv. 42, 43.  Livy, xliii. 7, xlv. 13.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, p. 309–311.  Plutarch, "The Life of Marcellus", 5.  Valerius Maximus, i. 1. § 4.  Münzer, "Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families", p. 232.  Broughton, vol. I, pp. 232, 263, 266, 267 (note 4), 273, 277 (note 3), 285, 305, 306.  Livy, xxxix. 32, 38, 39.  Livy, Epitome, 49.  Cicero, De Oratore, i. 52; Brutus, 23; Epistulae ad Atticum, xii. 5.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, pp. 302, 303.  Sallust, Bellum Catilinae, 17, 28, 55.  Cicero, Pro Sulla, 2, 6, 18.  Ampelius, 19.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. III, p. 1379 ("Chronological Tables of Roman History").  Livy, xx. 21, xxxiii. 44.  Valerius Maximus, vii. 6. § 1.  Livy, xxxv. 24, xxxvi. 2, xxxvii. 2, 4.  Livy, xl. 35.  Livy, xlii. 6.  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families, p. 346.  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families, p. 444.  Livy, xxxix. 45.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 378.  SIG, 705.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 528 (note 2).  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, pp. 318, 319.  Cassius Dio, xxxvi. 18, 19.  Broughton, vol. II, pp. 86, 90, 148.  Valerius Maximus, viii. 1. § 3.  Cassius Dio, xxxix. 56.  Broughton, vol. II, p. 204.  Mattingly et al., Roman Imperial Coinage, vol. I, pp. 76, 77.  Fasti Siculi.  Broughton, vol. I, pp. 487, 502, 507.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, p. 232.  Cicero, Philippicae x. 6.  Plutarch, "The Life of Brutus", 25.  Broughton, vol. II, p. 325.  Syme, Augustan Aristocracy, p. 257.  Seneca the Younger, De Clementia, i. 9.  Cassius Dio, lv. 14, 22.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, p. 457 ("Balbus V. Cornelii Balbi, plebeians", no. 2).  Livy, iii. 24, 29.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 38.  Münzer, Roman Aristocratic Parties and Families, p. 171.  Broughton, vol. 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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cornelio. For the Cornelii, my first choice is unexpectedly not Scipio Africanus, nor Sulla, nor even Tacitus. It is:  Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus and a companion after Zama.  Why? Because Africanus is one of the few Romans whose very name becomes a problem in the philosophy of language. Originally:  Publius Cornelius Scipio  Then:  Scipio Africanus.  The agnomen is simultaneously:  a description ("the conqueror associated with Africa"), an honor, and eventually a proper name.  That is pure Frege–Grice territory.  Grice e Scipione Africano De Nomine Novo AMICVS  Scipio es. "You are Scipio."  AFRICANVS  Ita. "Yes."   AMICVS  Sed nunc omnes te Africanum vocant. "But now everyone calls you Africanus."   AFRICANVS  Etiam. "Indeed."   AMICVS  Quid mutatum est? "What has changed?"   AFRICANVS  Nomen accessit. "A name has been added."   AMICVS  Solum nomen? "Only a name?"   AFRICANVS  Hoc ipsum quaeris. "That is exactly what you are asking."   AMICVS  Africanus es quia Africam vicisti? "Are you Africanus because you conquered Africa?"   AFRICANVS  Ita coepit. "That is how it began."   AMICVS  At si nemo id amplius meminerit? "But what if nobody remembers that anymore?"   AFRICANVS  Tum Africanus manebo. "Then I shall still remain Africanus."   That is an almost perfect example of something beginning as a description and becoming a name. But if forced to choose a single Cornelius for a volume called Grice e Cornelio, I would choose Scipio Africanus, because his very name embodies the transition:  description → honorific → proper name,  which is one of the deepest problems in the philosophy of language, and one that Frege, Russell, Strawson, and Grice would all have appreciated. Well, part of the Frege puzzle is the absence of 'the' in Latin -- Scipio The African -- strictly it is a definite description to be symbolised by means of the iota operator and the adjective African, symbolised as predicate A, right? Can we do that? There were possible way outs. The Romans could distinguish ille iste, etc? Thanks Yes — and this is exactly where a classical philologist can give Frege a headache. For Frege, one is tempted to analyze:  Scipio Africanus  as if it were  Scipio the African  and then perhaps as something like  ιx(African(x))  (the unique African). But that is not really how Roman agnomina work. The missing article Latin lacks a definite article equivalent to English the. So:  Africanus  can be:  an adjective ("African"), a cognomen, an agnomen, eventually virtually a proper name.  The Romans did not need an article to turn a description into an identifier. Thus:  Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus  is not obviously analyzable as  "Publius Cornelius Scipio who is the African."  The agnomen behaves more like an appended honorific label. Frege's puzzle The interesting question is whether Africanus is still descriptive. At the beginning:  Africanus = conqueror associated with Africa.  There is descriptive content. But a few generations later, if one merely says:  Africanus  one may be referring to a particular historical figure, not asserting anything about Africa. This is very close to Frege's famous problem of how a description hardens into a name. Latin resources The Romans certainly had demonstratives:  hic = this iste = that of yours ille = that famous one, that well-known one  Thus they could say:  ille Africanus  "The famous Africanus." or  ille Scipio  "that Scipio." But these are demonstratives, not articles. They do not function exactly like English:  the African.  A Gricean complication Suppose someone says:  Africanus venit.  "Africanus has arrived." The hearer need not calculate:  which African?  The name may already function rigidly. The original descriptive force has faded. In that sense Africanus resembles:  Curly (for a bald Stooge), Longus (possibly borne by someone not tall), Rufus (borne by someone not red-haired).  The historical route may have begun with a description, but the current use is referential. A Speranzian joke DISCIPVLVS  Cur Africanus vocatur? "Why is he called Africanus?"  MAGISTER  Quia Africam vicit. "Because he conquered Africa."  DISCIPVLVS  Et si nemo id meminerit? "And if nobody remembers that?"  MAGISTER  Tum Africanus erit nomen, non explicatio. "Then Africanus will be a name, not an explanation."  That, I think, is where both Frege and Grice would end up: the etymology may be descriptive, but reference eventually becomes independent of the original description. The absence of a Latin article makes that evolution even easier to see. And by the time Scipio acquired the agnomen other possibilities were available -- afer -- cfr. 'out of africa' the ostrich. Still, Grice would say that the phenomenon is 'Africanus' related to Africa -- 'conqueror of' is mere implicature -- native of -- is similar implicature if by default. Grice's example. He is Pierre the French -- Grice notes that 'French' can mean 'citizen of France' -- but not in "French poet" necessarily or "French poem" -- a poem may be deemed 'French' because it was written by citizen of France, by a French person? Thanks Yes, I think this is exactly where Grice would want to slow down and distinguish several layers that are often run together. Take:  Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus  The agnomen Africanus is, at its most basic level, simply:  related to Africa.  That is the semantic core. The stronger readings:  conqueror of Africa, victor in Africa, hero of the African campaign,  are not literally contained in the adjective itself. As you note, Latin already had alternatives such as:  Afer = African, an African man, someone from Africa.  So Africanus is not exhausted by mere geographic origin. The Romans selected a different formation. But still, the word itself does not literally say:  "the conqueror of Africa."  That is supplied by historical context. A Gricean might say:                          ExpressionSemantic contentLikely implication in contextAfricanusrelated to Africaconqueror of AfricaAsiaticusrelated to Asiaconqueror of AsiaGermanicusrelated to Germany/Germansvictor over Germans The semantic content is thinner than the historical interpretation.  Your comparison with Grice's "French" is exactly apt. Suppose:  Pierre is French.  Here French may mean:  citizen of France.  But now consider:  French poem.  The poem is not a citizen. So the adjective's contribution changes. The hearer infers something like:  written by a French person, written in French, belonging to French culture,  depending on context. Likewise:  French poet  need not mean:  citizen of France.  It may mean:  writing in the French literary tradition,  or something similar. Grice would say that the lexicon underdetermines the interpretation. Context supplies the rest.  So with Scipio:  Africanus  does not literally encode:  conqueror of Africa.  Rather:  Africanus + knowledge of Roman honorific practice  yields  +> conqueror of Africa.  That "+>" is very close to a Gricean enrichment. Indeed, one might imagine: DISCIPVLVS  Cur Africanus vocatur? "Why is he called Africanus?"  MAGISTER  Quia ad Africam pertinet. "Because he is related to Africa."  DISCIPVLVS  Natusne ibi est? "Was he born there?"  MAGISTER  Minime. "Not at all."  DISCIPVLVS  Ergo Africam vicit? "Then he conquered Africa?"  MAGISTER  Nunc recte intellegis. "Now you understand."  The last inference is not supplied by the adjective alone. It is supplied by the Roman convention governing military agnomina. So I suspect Grice would resist making Africanus equivalent to:  ιx (Conqueror-of-Africa(x))  and would instead start from the much weaker semantic value:  Africa-related,  with the military triumph interpretation arising from contextual and cultural inference. That seems thoroughly Gricean. But still, "Africanus" does not quite behave like "Bob" -- in terms of a formal system -- like the one Grice works with in his "Vacuous Names" -- we would have 'a' as a proper name, like Quine's 'Pegasus.' The definite-description approach allows for Cornelio to be nicknamed 'The African,' i. .e. the African-related Cornelio. It's not like Norma + Jean + Baker, right? Exactly. I think you're putting your finger on a distinction that neither a simple Fregean nor a simple Millian account handles very comfortably. For Grice's formal exercises in Vacuous Names, one writes something like:  a  or  Pegasus  as an individual constant. In that formal setting, Bob and Pegasus behave alike: they are simply names. But Africanus is perched in an intermediate zone. Not quite "Bob" Nobody hearing:  Bob  can recover any descriptive content from the word itself. Likewise:  Jean Norma Baker  are synchronically just names. Their etymologies may be interesting, but ordinary speakers need not know them. Not quite "the African" On the other hand:  Africanus  is transparently adjective-like Latin. A Roman who had never heard of Scipio could still understand:  Africanus = somehow Africa-related.  The morphology remains alive. So it is not functioning like a pure arbitrary proper name. Frege's temptation Hence the Fregean temptation is to analyse:  Scipio Africanus  as  Scipio, the African(-related one)  or even  Scipio, the uniquely African-relevant individual  among a relevant comparison class. Not because Latin contains an article, but because the agnomen seems to retain descriptive force. A Gricean middle position I suspect Grice would resist both extremes. He would not say:  Africanus = Bob.  because the lexical meaning of Africanus is still visible. Nor would he say:  Africanus = "the conqueror of Africa".  because that is far too rich semantically. Instead:  Africanus = Africa-related  with the stronger interpretation  +> conqueror of Africa  arising from Roman naming conventions and historical knowledge. That is very much like his discussion of "French." The semantic contribution of:  French  is not identical in  French citizen French poet French wine French window.  The adjective contributes something schematic, and context does the rest. Likewise:  Africanus  contributes "Africa-relatedness", while Roman culture supplies:  victor in Africa.  The really interesting possibility Your point suggests a three-way distinction:                      ExpressionTypeBobpure proper nameAfricanusdescriptive proper name / agnomenthe Africanovert definite description The middle category is the fascinating one. In modern philosophy of language there is a tendency to collapse everything either into:  names, or descriptions.  But Roman agnomina such as:  Africanus Asiaticus Germanicus Numidicus  look stubbornly hybrid. They are not merely names, and not merely descriptions. A Speranzian slogan might be:  Africanus is descriptively suggestive without being descriptively equivalent.  Which is precisely why a Gricean would find it more interesting than "Bob." And they get more interesting for Grice when the Africanus's son inherits the agnomen (now cognomen) and is teased of school by his school mates and his teacher. "You you conquered Africa, little Scipio" - "That's what your name says, ha!" Input? Yes! In fact, I think this is where the Gricean problem becomes more interesting than with the original Africanus. For Scipio Africanus himself, there is still a live relation between:  Africanus  and  Africa.  The agnomen is earned. Roman hearers know why it was bestowed. But suppose his grandson inherits the designation. Then we have what Grice would call a gap between:  the conventional meaning of the expression, the occasion of its application.  A schoolboy can exploit that gap. The playground implicature PVER I  Ecce Africanus venit! "Look, Africanus is coming!"  PVER II  Quot reges hodie vicisti? "How many kings did you defeat today?"  PVER III  Num Carthaginem iterum delevisti? "Did you destroy Carthage again?"  The joke works because the literal historical basis of the name is absurdly inappropriate to the present bearer.  A teacher's version MAGISTER  Quid significat Africanus?  "What does Africanus mean?" SCIPIO MINOR  Nescio.  "I don't know." MAGISTER  At maiores tui Africam vicerunt.  "But your ancestors conquered Africa." SCIPIO MINOR  Ego autem vix arithmetican vinco.  "I scarcely conquer arithmetic." The humor depends on treating the inherited cognomen as if it still carried its original descriptive force.  Why Grice would enjoy it The schoolboys are pretending that:  Africanus  still means  conqueror of Africa.  But everyone knows that in current use it merely identifies a family line. So they deliberately revive an old implication which ordinary speakers have ceased to compute. This resembles Grice's examples where a hearer suddenly decides to take seriously implications that ordinary usage has long neutralized. The situation is almost:                      Original AfricanusDescendant Africanusdescriptive and honorifichereditary identifier"conquered Africa" relevantnot relevantliteral basis presentliteral basis absent The teasing consists in reactivating the dormant description. A Speranzian formulation might be:  The first Africanus acquired the name because he conquered Africa; the fifth Africanus acquired Africa because he inherited the name.  That is exactly the sort of historical drift from description to designation that sits midway between Frege's descriptions and Grice's speaker-meanings. The schoolboys recover the etymological description and mischievously pretend it is still operative. And wasn't that exactly what happened with Scipio Africanus Maior and Minor? There is a complication in that one of these adopted an Emilio by birth which became still 'Africanus'? Input? Yes, and in fact the Scipionic family gives almost a laboratory example of the phenomenon we've been discussing. The crucial figure is:  Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus Africanus  the conqueror of Carthage in 146 BC. He was born an Aemilius, not a Cornelius. The gens entry itself identifies him as:  Publius Cornelius P. f. P. n. Scipio Africanus Aemilianus cite not available from tool; drawn from user-provided text  The very name tells the story:  Aemilianus = born an Aemilius, adopted into another family. Scipio = by adoption a Scipio. Africanus = inheritor of the famous Scipionic association with Africa and, after his own destruction of Carthage, a conqueror in Africa in his own right.  This is where things become wonderfully tangled. For the first Africanus (the conqueror of Hannibal), the agnomen is earned. For later generations, "Africanus" can become inherited prestige. Then along comes an adopted Aemilius who acquires the Scipionic name and subsequently does something in Africa so spectacular that the old descriptive content seems to spring back to life. A Gricean would love the oscillation:                      StageAfricanus functions asScipio Africanus Maiora live honorific descriptiondescendantslargely hereditary family labelScipio Aemilianus Africanushereditary label plus renewed descriptive force One can imagine a mischievous schoolmaster: MAGISTER  Cur Africanus vocaris? "Why are you called Africanus?"  PVER  Quia avus meus Africam vicit. "Because my grandfather conquered Africa."  MAGISTER  Tu autem quid vicisti? "And what have you conquered?"  PVER  Nihil. "Nothing."  The joke works because the old descriptive content and the current bearer no longer match. But with Aemilianus the answer changes: MAGISTER  Cur Africanus vocaris? "Why are you called Africanus?"  AEMILIANVS  Primum quia nomen accepi; deinde quia Carthaginem deleui. "First because I inherited the name; then because I destroyed Carthage."  That is philosophically delightful. The same expression moves:  description → family label → description again.  In Fregean terms, the Sinn associated with the name is not stable across generations. In Gricean terms, hearers in different generations compute different background implications from the same form. So my answer is: yes, the Scipiones furnish exactly the complication you are looking for. The adoption of an Aemilius into the Scipionic line creates a bearer for whom "Africanus" is simultaneously:  an inherited family designation, a historical reminder of the elder Africanus, and a newly earned honorific in his own career.  That is far richer than the simple case of a schoolboy called Longus who happens to be short. And was it Emilio who was adopted by the African conqueror indeed? Yes — but with an important qualification. Scipio Aemilianus was not adopted by Scipio Africanus himself. He was adopted by a son of Scipio Africanus. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com], [en.wikipedia.org] The chain is:  Scipio Africanus (the conqueror of Hannibal). His son: Publius Cornelius Scipio. The biological Aemilius boy: son of Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus. That boy is adopted by the son of Africanus and becomes Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com]  The sources explicitly describe Scipio Aemilianus as the biological son of Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus and state that he was adopted by Publius Cornelius Scipio, the eldest son of Scipio Africanus. This made Africanus his adoptive grandfather, not his adoptive father. [en.wikipedia.org] And here the Gricean fun begins. Initially:  Africanus  belongs to the elder Scipio because he conquered in Africa. Then the adopted Aemilius enters the Scipionic line and inherits a family structure already laden with the name Africanus. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com] Later, after destroying Carthage, he himself acquires the title Africanus (often "Africanus Minor" in modern usage), so the descriptive basis reappears. [britannica.com], [punicwars.org] That's what makes the case so rich philosophically:  For the elder Africanus: the name is earned. For many descendants: the connection risks becoming hereditary and partially detached from its original description. For Aemilianus: the inherited prestige and the descriptive achievement coincide again.  A Fregean might almost say that the sense attached to Africanus oscillates between:  "the man associated with Africa"  and  "the member of that famous Scipionic line."  A Gricean schoolboy would never miss the opportunity:  Tu quoque Africam vicisti? "You conquered Africa too?"  to which the young Aemilianus could eventually answer:  Etiam. "Actually, yes." And the classmates were possibly puzzled while they teased the son of of the African conqueror for the Romans explicitly avoided any sobriquet like 'minor' 'maior' -- so the son of the African conqueror bore the exact name as his father APRES 'the conquest of Africa'. So here the acquired agnomen by father becomes cognomen by son. Right? Broadly speaking, yes—but with a couple of Roman-onomastic cautions. The elder conqueror was:  Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus  and Africanus began as an agnomen ex virtute, an honorific attached because of his achievement in Africa. The interesting question is what happened to the next generation. The sources show that Scipio Africanus had a son, also named Publius Cornelius Scipio, who became the adoptive father of Scipio Aemilianus. What I have not found in the sources is an explicit statement:  "The son formally bore the name Africanus."  So I do not want to claim that as a documented fact. What is true is that Roman aristocratic practice often allowed honorific names to become attached to a family and thus to function more like inherited identifiers over time. The Scipionic tradition certainly moved in that direction, as later figures are known as Scipio Africanus the Younger in modern terminology. Your Gricean point remains excellent, though. Suppose a schoolboy bears the name Africanus merely through family transmission. Then there's a clash between:  the historical source of the name ("conqueror connected with Africa"), the current bearer (who has conquered nothing).  The schoolboys exploit that clash:  "So, Africanus, which African kingdom did you conquer this morning?"  The joke depends on treating the inherited name as if its original descriptive content were still operative. And you're quite right that the Romans did not ordinarily have a built-in system like:  Africanus Senior Africanus Junior  or  Africanus Maior Africanus Minor  as part of everyday nomenclature. Those are largely conveniences of modern historians. Roman naming practices often tolerated what looks to us like alarming ambiguity. A very Gricean formulation would be:  The father's Africanus is initially an honorific description. For the son, the same expression tends toward functioning as a family label. The schoolboy's joke consists in forcing the inherited label back into its original descriptive reading.  That is almost a textbook example of the tension between etymological meaning, current reference, and speaker interpretation. Grice would have enjoyed it immensely. And can you have a second run on that? Because it would be very odd (evef for Grice, even if true) that 'Africanus' attached by 'virtue' to one generation, 2. is skipped in the next generation -- 3. springs again in third generation? Thanks Yes, and I think a second run actually makes the problem more puzzling than the standard account suggests. What the sources explicitly support is:  Scipio Aemilianus was born an Aemilius, son of Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus. He was adopted by Publius Cornelius Scipio, the son of Scipio Africanus. After his destruction of Carthage, he himself received the name Africanus.  What I do not find in the sources is an explicit statement that the intermediate generation—the son of Scipio Africanus—officially bore the agnomen Africanus. So historically we must be careful. But philosophically, your puzzle remains. There are really three possible models: Model A. Purely personal honorific  Africanus I conquers Africa. Africanus belongs only to him. His son is not Africanus. Aemilianus later earns Africanus independently.  This is the cleanest constitutional model. Model B. Family designation  Africanus becomes attached to the Scipionic branch. The son may informally or socially inherit it. Aemilianus inherits it through adoption and later reinforces it by his own deeds.  This fits the way aristocratic memory often works. Model C. Mixed model And this is the one I suspect Grice would enjoy most. The name oscillates between:  honorific description, family label, honorific description again.  Not because anyone planned it, but because language drifts.  A Gricean schoolroom would look like this: MAGISTER  Cur Africanus vocaris? "Why are you called Africanus?"  FILIUS AFRICANI  Quia pater meus Africam vicit. "Because my father conquered Africa."  MAGISTER  Tu autem quid vicisti? "And what have you conquered?"  At that moment the name is being interpreted descriptively. The son's reply effectively reinterprets it genealogically:  "The description applies to my father, not to me."   That is the really interesting semantic phenomenon. For the first bearer:  Africanus = by virtue of conquest.  For the next bearer:  Africanus = by virtue of descent.  For Aemilianus:  Africanus = by virtue of adoption and conquest.  So the relation between name and qualification is repeatedly re-negotiated. A Fregean might say the sense shifts. A Gricean might say different conversational backgrounds generate different inferences:  "Africanus" → conquered Africa. "Africanus" → son of the conqueror of Africa. "Africanus" → member of the Africanus-branch.  The expression remains the same while the associated implicatures change from generation to generation. That is precisely what makes the Scipiones so interesting philosophically. Well, in which case, 'Africanus' never became a cognomen properly speaking. It was an acquired agnomen of virtue for the first conqueor (we skip the generation that did nothing in Africa) and an acquired agnomen (ONLY AFTER CONQUEST OF CARTHAGO) by the third generation. I suppose historians must have studied this? Thanks I think your conclusion is very defensible, and it is actually more conservative than the popular modern presentation. From the sources I checked, we have explicit evidence for:  Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus (the conqueror of Hannibal), for whom Africanus was an honorific acquired through achievement. His son Publius Cornelius Scipio, who adopted Scipio Aemilianus. The source I found refers to him simply as Publius Cornelius Scipio, son of Scipio Africanus. Scipio Aemilianus, born an Aemilius, who after the destruction of Carthage received the name Africanus.  What I have not found is evidence that the intermediate generation officially bore Africanus as a hereditary cognomen. So your reconstruction is:  Africanus I: acquired agnomen ex virtute. Son: no African conquest, no documented Africanus. Aemilianus: acquires Africanus again after Carthage.  On present evidence, that is perfectly plausible. In fact, that may explain why modern historians often resort to labels such as:  Scipio Africanus the Elder Scipio Africanus the Younger  Those labels are modern conveniences. They help us distinguish two men who each acquired Africanus through military achievement. From a Gricean perspective, this is fascinating because the name never fully settles down into a mere hereditary marker. Compare:  Caesar → eventually family name. Curly → stage name. Longus → potentially hereditary cognomen.  But Africanus seems repeatedly pulled back toward its descriptive origin:  "the man connected with the conquest of Africa."  Indeed, one might say that historians are forced into the awkward "Maior/Minor" terminology precisely because the same honorific achievement-name appears twice in the line, separated by a generation. A Speranzian schoolmaster could therefore tease Aemilianus:  Cur Africanus vocaris? Quia avus tuus Africam vicit? "Why are you called Africanus? Because your grandfather conquered Africa?"  to which Aemilianus eventually gets the unique reply:  Non tantum avus. "Not only my grandfather."  That is what makes the case philosophically richer than ordinary inheritance of a cognomen. The descriptive force of the agnomen does not die; it gets re-earned. Historians of Roman nomenclature have certainly studied the distinction between hereditary cognomina and agnomina ex virtute, and the Scipiones are one of the classic examples because they blur the boundary between the two. Yes, but strictly speaking that's anachronic and wrong, for Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus (the major) has a name that never quite is IDENTICAL with that of his grandson who kept an EMILIANUS after adoption to mark that his biological father had, say, conquered this other place that he had conquered. Strictly 'maior' and 'minor' would apply to identical names, like say, Peter William Smith, and Peter William Smith, Jr., and Peter William Smith, III -- or William Barners, III, as I think Wittgenstein's biographer was? Thanks I think you're exactly right to be suspicious of the modern labels "Scipio Africanus the Elder" and "Scipio Africanus the Younger". They are useful historian's shorthand, but they can obscure the actual Roman names. The first man is:  Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus  The second is:  Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus Africanus  after adoption and after Carthage. The crucial point is that Aemilianus remains in the name precisely to indicate origin from the Aemilii. The sources explicitly state that after adoption he became Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus, retaining Aemilianus to indicate his original nomen. So from a strict onomastic standpoint, the names are not identical. That is quite different from:  Peter William Smith Peter William Smith Jr. Peter William Smith III  where the entire name is substantially repeated and an ordinal device is needed. The Roman solution was often different. Adoption, agnomina, and additional surnames were frequently used to preserve distinctions. Indeed, one could argue that the very presence of Aemilianus prevents the ambiguity which would otherwise arise if there were simply two:  Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus  in the family tradition. From a Gricean perspective, this is rather elegant. The modern historian says:  Africanus Major Africanus Minor  because the historian is organizing a filing cabinet. The Roman name itself carries a richer story:  Scipio Aemilianus Africanus  roughly communicates:  "the Scipio who came from the Aemilii and later earned the Africanus distinction."  The Aemilianus is not a redundant middle piece; it preserves part of the history of the bearer. In fact, one could formulate a Speranzian complaint: DISCIPVLVS  Cur Maior et Minor dicuntur? "Why are they called the Elder and the Younger?"  GRAMMATICVS  Ut historici facilius eos distinguant. "So that historians may distinguish them more easily."  DISCIPVLVS  Sed alter Aemilianus est. "But one of them is Aemilianus."  GRAMMATICVS  Recte mones. "You make a good point."  A Roman aristocrat might well have felt that Aemilianus already did the work that "Junior" or "III" does in some modern naming systems. And philosophically, that strengthens your earlier point: Africanus never became a straightforward hereditary cognomen in the way that, say, Smith or Caesar eventually functioned. It appears instead as a repeatedly earned and re-contextualized honorific, attached to different but related names. And out of curiosity can you check with Bartley III the Wittgenstein biographer, thanks? (Because this is American custom only, not UK). Thanks Yes—your memory was correct. The Wittgenstein biographer was indeed:  William Warren Bartley III (usually cited as W. W. Bartley III). [en.wikipedia.org], [archive.org]  What's interesting is that this is precisely the sort of naming practice you were contrasting with the Roman case. With:  William Warren Bartley William Warren Bartley Jr. William Warren Bartley III  the ordinal III makes sense because the name is being repeated across generations. The whole point is genealogical continuity. [prabook.com], [en.wikipedia.org] By contrast, in the Scipionic case:  Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus  and  Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus Africanus  are not the same name. The second contains the additional element Aemilianus, which advertises the adoption and biological origin from the Aemilii. [en.wikipedia.org], [prabook.com] So your objection is well taken. The modern labels:  Africanus Major Africanus Minor  are really historians' conveniences. They are not analogous to:  Bartley III.  Rather, they are closer to what classicists do when two historical figures share a prominent element of their names and reputations and need to be distinguished in discussion. From a Gricean point of view, this reinforces your earlier observation: Africanus never settled into the role of a simple hereditary surname in the way Bartley does. The second famous Africanus is actually a different and more complex name-bearer—an Aemilius by birth, a Scipio by adoption, and Africanus by achievement. [en.wikipedia.org], [prabook.com]

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cornelio. My second choice would be Cornelia, daughter of Scipio Africanus and mother of the Gracchi. A conversation about:  "These are my jewels."  pointing to her sons. That raises Gricean issues about metaphor, indication, and speaker meaning.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cornelio. Third would be Sulla Felix. The cognomen Felix ("fortunate") is a gift to a Gricean. Someone asks:  Felix es quia fortunatus es, an fortunatus quia Felix vocaris?  ("Are you Felix because you are fortunate, or fortunate because you are called Felix?")

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio – GREX GRICEIANA – VERBALIA: CORNELIO. Gens Cornelia Stupid Question (Interlocutor): Scipio, visne aurum a barbaris accipere ut pacem emas? (Scipio, do you wish to accept gold from the barbarians to buy peace?) Snappy Answer / Move 2 (Roman Hero): Ferro, non auro. (With iron, not with gold.) Gricean Analysis: Using ablatives of instrument without a verb demonstrates ultimate brevitas. He flouts the Maxim of Quantity by withholding a full sentence, implicating that Romans settle matters through military might, never through bribery. Attempted Cancellation / Move 3 (Interlocutor): Hoc significas, te aurum mox accepturum esse si condicio melior fiat. (You mean by this, that-clause: you will accept the gold later if the terms become better.) Doubling Down / Move 4 (Roman Hero): Plane dico Romanos ditionem tantummodo armis vindicare. (I state plainly, that-clause: Romans claim sovereignty exclusively through weapons.)Gens Cornelia The Latin Utterance: Ferro, non auro. The Bolognese Professor’s Italian Explanation: "Mirate l'efficacia di due soli casi ablativi contrapposti mediante la negazione, fulgido esempio di antitheton rettorica. L'assenza deliberata di un verbo d'azione costringe la mente a colmare il vuoto sintattico, sprigionando l'implicatura: il metallo vile della corruzione viene respinto dallo strumento della virtù bellica, facendo intendere che la Repubblica si difende col valore delle armi e mai col vile commercio dei mercanti." Contrived English Translation: "Admire the operational effectiveness of two solitary noun-cases of the ablative kind put into opposition against each other by means of a negative word, which is a shiny example of the rhetorical shape of opposites. The purposeful absence of an action-carrying verb forces the human mind to fill up the empty syntactic hole, letting loose the implied meaning that-clause: the cheap metal of bribery is being pushed away by the tool of soldierly courage, causing it to be inferred that the Republican state protects itself with the worthiness of weapons and never by means of the low-class buying and selling of traders." Gens Cornelia For the Master, Scipio’s refusal of gold is the ultimate pedagogical example of choosing honor over material wealth. The Master’s Italian Explanation: "Che splendido uso dei casi grammaticali, qui espressi all'ablativo di strumento senza alcun verbo reggente! Con questa fulminea laconicitas, Scipione fa intendere chiaramente al barbaro che i Romani non comprano la pace con l'oro dei mercanti, ma la impongono con il ferro dei soldati." Contrived English Translation: "What a wonderful utilization of morphological noun-cases, which are here being put forward in the ablative case of instrumentation without having any kind of governing action-verb attached to them! By means of this lightning-fast style of extreme short-wordedness, Scipio makes it understood in a clear manner to the uncivilized foreign person that-clause: the people belonging to Rome do not make a purchase of peaceful relations by using the precious gold metals owned by traveling traders, but rather they force it upon others by utilizing the heavy iron weaponry belonging to the military troops."

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio. Servio Cornelio Maluginense Cosso. Cornelio Maluginense Cosso (XXX). Dicta. Grice e Cornelio Gens Cornelia Earliest Example: Servius Cornelius Maluginensis Cossus, Consul in CCLVIII_A.U.C..

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio – GREX GRICEIANA – VERBALIA: CORNELIO -- SCIPIONE NASICA. On one occasion the books were declared to require that Cybele should be brought to Rome; and ambassadors were appointed, at a considerable expense, to go to Phrygia, for the purpose of fetching her. They professed to find her, and bring her home; but upon their arrival, they produced nothing but a large black stone, which the people welcomed as a most precious stone, and which they were contented to receive as the goddess they required. Abbott does not give much detail about this, although he places it at the end of Scipione's second punic war -- is there another figure under which the incident can be catalogued and does Livy or the other sources have a semiotic Griceian reading for this. for it looks stupid on the Romans to take a black rock for a goddess -- even if imported from Ellas? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- Passage: On one occasion the books were declared to require that Cybele should be brought to Rome; and ambassadors were appointed, at a considerable expense, to go to Phrygia, for the purpose of fetching her. They professed to find her, and bring her home; but upon their arrival, they produced nothing but a large black stone, which the people welcomed as a most precious stone, and which they were contented to receive as the goddess they required. This is a very rich case—and your instinct is right that Abbott’s tone (“stupid Romans worshipping a stone”) hides something structurally much more interesting, especially for a Grice/Speranza semiotic analysis. Let me unpack it carefully.  1. First correction: what Livy actually says Livy (Book 29) does not present this as naïve:   The Sibylline books prescribe:  if the Mater Magna is brought from Pessinus, the foreign enemy can be driven out [sourcebook...ordham.edu]    The Romans:  send an embassy receive from King Attalus a sacred object identified as the goddess [keytoumbria.com]  That object is:  a black stone (baetyl) which, in Phrygian religion, already is the goddess   2. So: is this “stupid”? Only if one assumes:  a “god” must be a statue or anthropomorphic figure.  But in ancient religion:  aniconic representation is normal a stone can be the god, not a “symbol of” it  For Cybele:  the goddess at Pessinus was literally worshipped as a black stone [livius.org] So the Romans are not:  misled or fooled  They are:  importing an already accepted cult-object   3. Why Livy includes it (and why it looks odd) Livy frames it through:  Sibylline command (Greek hexameter!) embassy reception ritual. What looks absurd to a later reader is:  precisely its foreignness  And Livy elsewhere shows this tension:  e.g. minime Romano sacro for extreme rites   4. The “semiotic chain” here (your key interest) This is actually one of the clearest cases of multi-stage sign transmission:  Stage 1: Text (Sibylline books)  encoded oracle:  “bring the Mother”     Stage 2: Identification  who/what is “the Mother”? answer: → Cybele of Pessinus   Stage 3: Materialization  She is: → a black stone   Stage 4: Transfer  Roman envoys receive it it becomes: → Roman divine presence. This is a full meaning-transfer chain:  text → interpretation → object → worship   5. Where could it “go wrong”? From a Gricean / semiotic perspective: Potential failures:  Stage Possible failureoracleambiguity of “Mother”interpretationmisidentifying cultobjectmistaking symbol for referentreceptionlack of acceptance  But interestingly: In the narrative, nothing goes wrong  Instead:  multiple authorities align:  Sibylline books Delphi (parallel consultation) Pergamene king Roman ritual     6. Why Livy includes Delphi here too Livy explicitly notes:  the embassy to Delphi reported:  favourable omens promise of even greater victory [sourcebook...ordham.edu]  So:  Delphi acts as confirmation channel, not source of the Cybele instruction.   7. Your key paradox (excellent) You notice:  Earlier: Greeks sacrificed (Graecus et Graeca) Now: Greek cult imported  Exactly—and Livy leaves this tension unresolved.  Interpretation:  Greek elements appear as:  dangerous (sacrifice) saving (Cybele). So:  Greek religion = both threat and remedy   8. The deeper Livian point Livy is not ridiculing the stone. He is showing:  Rome’s survival depends on incorporating foreign power  But under Roman control:  Roman priests manage it Roman state formalizes it   9. Final synthesis. The “black stone” is not a mistake but a recognized aniconic deity. Livy presents:  a successful semiotic transfer. The chain:  Sibylline text → identification → embassy → object → cult. Delphi serves as:  confirmatory authority, not origin. The tension (Greek sacrifice vs Greek salvation):  is deliberate and unresolved     One-line takeaway  What looks like absurdity (“a stone as a goddess”) is actually a perfectly coherent ancient semiotic process: Livy shows how a divine injunction encoded in Greek verse is translated into action, object, and ritual, producing a successful transfer of sacred meaning—while deliberately leaving in place the unsettling contradiction that Rome both fears and depends on foreign (Greek/Phrygian) religious forms.   If you like, we can compare this with the importation of Aesculapius (also via a non-anthropomorphic sign—snake), which shows a similar semiotic structure. And what Roman agent can Grice and Speranza use to anchor this? Cornelio Scipione -- the Mater Magna is an interestsing figure of speech -- for one would think metaphor -- as Grice, "You are the cream in my coffee" -- This stone is the Big Mother (figuratively) -- or superstitiously -- literally. Input? Feedback? Thanks. This is a very nice way of reframing the episode—and yes, if Grice and Speranza want a “Roman agent-anchor”, they definitely have one, and your instinct about Cornelius Scipio (Nasica) is exactly right. Let me structure the answer around your two points: (1) who is the “utterer” or agent, and (2) is “Mater Magna” metaphorical or literal?  1. The Roman “utterer”: Scipio Nasica (not just “the Romans”) Livy is unusually explicit here:  The Senate orders that the “best man” (optimus vir) receive the goddess That role is assigned to:   P. Cornelius Scipio Nasica  He:  goes to Ostia ceremonially receives the goddess (i.e. the stone) hands it over to the Roman matrons in ritual procession   Why this matters (Gricean angle) This solves your anchoring problem:  The meaning-transfer is not impersonal—it is mediated by a qualified agent.  So:  Sibylline books = abstract instruction embassy = negotiation Scipio Nasica = authoritative receiver / interpreter. He is the closest thing to a “speaker” in the performative chain:  “This (stone) counts as the Mater Magna for Rome.”   2. Is “Mater Magna” a metaphor? Your analogy:  “You are the cream in my coffee”  is exactly the right Gricean test case. Let’s apply it carefully.  For a modern speaker “big mother” would likely be:  metaphor (figurative) or affectionate hyperbole   In ancient religion (critical difference) For the Romans (and the Phrygians): It is not metaphorical in the Gricean sense  The black stone is not:  “like” the goddess or a symbol representing her  It is:  the goddess in that cultic ontology   So: Gricean categoryMater Magna casemetaphor--figurative language--literal reference (within religious framework). The “category mistake” is modern:  we think “stone” and “goddess” belong to different ontological types  But in ancient religion:  they do not   3. Where Grice still applies Now—this is the subtle and interesting part. Even if not metaphor:  there is still a semantic transformation   The transformation chain   Text (Sibylline oracle) → “bring the Mother”   Identification → Cybele of Pessinus   Material referent → black stone   Roman uptake (Scipio Nasica + matrons) → “this is now the Mater Magna for Rome”. This is not metaphor, but:  a successful act of reference transfer   4. Why it looks “stupid” (Abbott) Abbott is applying:  modern literalism (“it’s just a stone”) and missing that:   for participants, the “stone = goddess” identity is not questioned  So the “absurdity” is:  external (modern observer), not internal (ancient system)   5. Your best Gricean formulation You can actually put it like this:   Not:  “This stone symbolizes the Mother”    But:  “This counts as the Mother (within the Roman religious system)”    That’s closer to:  Searle’s institutional facts than to Gricean metaphor   6. Final synthesis-The key Roman “utterer” is:  Scipio Nasica, who performs the reception. “Mater Magna” is:  not metaphorical but literal within cultic ontology The process is:  not figurative speech, but a chain of authorized re-identification. Abbott’s irony:  comes from reading a literal cultic identity as metaphor     One-line takeaway  The “black stone = Mater Magna” is not a metaphor in the Gricean sense but an institutional identification, and the crucial Roman agent who makes this identification operative is Scipio Nasica, whose ritual reception turns a foreign cult-object into a Roman divine presence.   If you like, we can compare this with how the Romans treat sacred standards (eagles): materially objects, but treated as fully “alive”—a closer parallel than metaphor. It's good you add the NASICA, for Grice and Speranza were having CORNELIO SCIPIONE AFRICANO -- who had been sent to replace his two relatives who had been killed at the beginning of the seocnd punic war. It seems this second punic war is ALL ABOUT the scipioni -- and what is the understood meaning for Nasica qua agnomen or cognomen -- and where was the stone brought from then? Input? Feedback? Thanks This is a very fruitful clarification—you’re absolutely right that the Second Punic War becomes, in Livy’s narrative, almost a Scipionic drama. And distinguishing Africanus vs. Nasica is crucial for getting the semiotics right. Let me set it out cleanly.  1. Two Scipios: two different “functions” (A) Scipio Africanus  Publius Cornelius Scipio general, strategist defeats Hannibal at Zama (202 BC) [en.wikipedia.org] He is:  military agent of victory   (B) Scipio Nasica  younger member of same gens chosen as:  optimus vir (“best man”) of Rome   sent to receive the Magna Mater at Ostia [en.wikipedia.org] He is:  religious mediator of salvation. So the war is “about the Scipiones” in a deep way: RoleFiguremilitary deliveranceAfricanusreligious legitimationNasica  2. Meaning of “Nasica” The cognomen:  Nasica = “the one with the pointed (or prominent) nose” [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wiktionary.org]  So originally:  just a physical nickname (very Roman!)   But in this episode, it becomes symbolic Livy says he is chosen as:  the best man in the state  So:  the accidental nickname (nose!) becomes subordinated to a moral function: the ideal Roman receiver. Gricean twist:  the name is arbitrary the role is maximally loaded   3. Where the stone came from (precisely) The chain is very clear in Livy:   Sibylline books: → “bring the Mater Magna from Pessinus”   Roman embassy:  goes to Pergamum King Attalus I guides them    Final source:    Pessinus in Phrygia (Asia Minor) [keytoumbria.com]   There:   the inhabitants present:  a sacred black stone identified as the Mother of the Gods [keytoumbria.com]  So the origin is:  Phrygian cult centre → Pessinus → sacred stone (baetyl)   4. How this fits your semiotic model Now we can identify the key “utterers”:  Chain of authority-StageAgentoracle textSibylline booksdiplomatic mediationRoman embassy + Attaluscult identificationPessinus priestsRoman uptakeScipio Nasica. So:  Nasica is the decisive Roman “speaker”  because he performs:  the act: “This (stone) IS now the Mater Magna for Rome”   5. Your insight: “Mater Magna” — metaphor or literal? Now we can sharpen the answer. You propose:  like “You are the cream in my coffee” (Gricean metaphor)  But here:  “Mother” is:  NOT metaphor in the conversational sense   It is:   a cult title (fixed reference term)   However, something subtle is happening There are two layers: (1) Linguistic layer  “Mater Magna” = descriptive title could look metaphorical   (2) Cultic layer  the referent is:  this specific stone. So:  the phrase is not metaphorical, but the transfer of reference is extraordinary.   6. What makes this episode so interesting You now see the full structure:  Greek text (Sibylline) Phrygian object (stone) Roman agent (Nasica) Roman audience (Senate + people)  And all are made to align.  And this happens at the turning point of the war:  204 BC: arrival of the stone 202 BC: Africanus wins at Zama. Livy’s implication:  religion + Scipiones = victory   7. Final synthesis: “Nasica” = originally “pointed nose,” a trivial cognomen --but in Livy:  he becomes the ideal religious intermediary -- the stone comes from:  Pessinus in Phrygia, via Attalus  --the Scipiones divide roles:  Africanus = military victory Nasica = religious legitimation     One-line takeaway  In Livy’s construction of the Second Punic War, the Scipiones form a double system of meaning: Africanus wins the war, but Nasica—whose cognomen “pointed nose” ironically marks him as a purely incidental individual—acts as the decisive religious “receiver” who transforms a foreign black stone from Pessinus into the Roman Mater Magna, thereby completing the chain that makes victory intelligible and legitimate.   If you like, we can map this structure against the earlier Fabius (oracle transmission) case—you’ll see a parallel contrast: Fabius = textual transmitter, Nasica = ritual converter. THanks -- and also Scipionic affair in that Affricanus had NOT volunterred (aged 23 with contestation over his young age) to replace the two Scipione killed in war before? Input? Feedback? Thanks Yes—this is a very important (and very “Livian”) episode in the Scipionic cycle, and your instinct is essentially correct, though it needs one careful adjustment.  1. Did Scipio “volunteer”? — yes, but in a very specific way After the deaths of his father and uncle in Spain (211 BC):  no senior commander wanted the Spanish command the situation was extremely dangerous. Livy reports (26.18–19, as summarized in modern scholarship):  when none of the leading men came forward, the young Scipio (about 24) put himself forward for the command [ebrary.net] So:  he was not appointed by default but neither was he simply “sent”  He:  offered himself (or stood as candidate) when others hesitated   2. The crucial scandal: his age You also point to the key tension:  he was:  too young not yet consul or praetor   yet he received:  proconsular imperium as a privatus (private citizen) [ebrary.net] This is extraordinary: Normal ruleScipio casehigh command → magistrate→ age requirements→ ignoredcareer progression→ bypassed. So the controversy is real:  his youth and inexperience were obvious and risky   3. Why was he accepted? The sources suggest several converging factors: (1) Vacuum of leadership  no experienced candidate stepped forward  (2) Personal prestige  son and nephew of the fallen generals symbolic continuity  (3) Political and popular decision  he was elected by the people (comitia). So:  he is both volunteer AND chosen —a hybrid case   4. Livy’s deeper framing (this matters for you) Livy turns this into something bigger: Scholars note that Livy presents Scipio as:  fatalis dux — a “destined” or “providential” commander [academia.edu]. So the narrative becomes:  Rome is in crisis normal structures fail an unexpected young figure emerges   5. Scipionic “system” (connecting to your earlier point) You now get a very elegant structure across the war: FunctionScipiocontinuity after disasterAfricanus (young volunteer)religious legitimationNasica (optimus vir)final victoryAfricanus (Zama). So:  the family becomes a multi-role solution to Roman crisis   6. Grice/Speranza angle (your framework) This episode is again about expectations and their breach: Expected:  senior, experienced commander  Actual:  young, untested man volunteers. Yet:  the community accepts him anyway  So:  a failure of normal inference (“too young → unsuitable”) becomes a new inference rule (“exceptional youth → chosen”)   7. Final synthesis-Scipio did effectively put himself forward for command--this was controversial because of:  youth lack of magistracy  --but:  no alternative leaders strong family prestige popular election  --made it possible  One-line takeaway  Scipio Africanus did not simply inherit command but stepped forward at a moment when no one else would, and despite his youth was elected by the Roman people as a privatus with imperium—a dramatic break with normal procedures that Livy interprets as the emergence of a “destined commander,” marking the beginning of Rome’s recovery in the Second Punic War.   If you like, we can compare this with how Livy narratively prepares this moment (his earlier “divine aura” episodes)—they reinforce exactly this idea of an exceptional selection beyond normal rules. A debate was in progress among the senators, when one of them, P. CORNELIO SCIPIONE Nasica, called upon the house to come to the door, and save the republic by sacrificing Tiberius SEMPRONIO. The whole assembly rushed upon its legs and its crutches; some of the members seized hold of sticks, others snatched up their clubs, and declared that the vengeance of the clubs should fall on Tiberius. In this spirit they sallied forth, and looking for Gracchus, they soon knocked dissension on the head, by one of those blows which disposed of any pretensions he might have had to a crown when they first encountered him. His brother, Caius Gracchus, fell politically with his relative; but without resigning his office, he abandoned his post, [240]and he withdrew to a little place he had in the country, though neglecting to give up his place in the triumvirate.  Since much has been written on SEMPRONIO, are Grice and Speranza justified in have his end under the "C" of gens Cornelia Scipione Nasica? Abbott: A debate was in progress among the senators, when one of them, P. CORNELIO SCIPIONE Nasica, called upon the house to come to the door, and save the republic by sacrificing Tiberius SEMPRONIO. The whole assembly rushed upon its legs and its crutches; some of the members seized hold of sticks, others snatched up their clubs, and declared that the vengeance of the clubs should fall on Tiberius. In this spirit they sallied forth, and looking for Gracchus, they soon knocked dissension on the head, by one of those blows which disposed of any pretensions he might have had to a crown when they first encountered him. His brother, Caius Gracchus, fell politically with his relative; but without resigning his office, he abandoned his post, [240]and he withdrew to a little place he had in the country, though neglecting to give up his place in the triumvirate. == Any Griceian interpretation of incident, as per oratio recta in Livi etc? Input? Feedback? Thanks This is a very rich case—and here we have to do three things carefully:  separate Abbott from the ancient sources locate Livy (and his limits) extract the “Gricean” structure (your real interest)   1. Is the episode in Livy? Yes—but only in compressed form. Because:  Livy’s detailed narrative of 133 BC is lost we only have the Periocha (summary)  That summary says:  “…auctore P. Cornelio Nasica… Gracchus… in Capitolio… occisus est…” → “at the instigation of P. Cornelius Nasica… Gracchus was killed on the Capitol…” [thelatinlibrary.com]. So Livy attests:  Nasica as instigator violent killing by senators. But he does not preserve speeches here.  2. Where the “speech” actually comes from The vivid element Abbott gives:  “come… save the republic…”  comes not from Livy, but from:  Plutarch (Life of Tiberius Gracchus)  There we get an almost-oratio recta:  Nasica says (approximate English from Plutarch): “Since the chief magistrate betrays the state, let those who wish to save the laws follow me.” [perseus.tufts.edu]  And:  he covers his head with his toga leads senators physically into action. This is the closest thing to your “oratio recta”  3. What is the point of the episode? Ancient authors treat this as: the first political murder in the Roman Republic  (You see this emphasized in modern summaries too, but it is already implicit in the sources.)  Structural significance: Before After conflict resolved legallyconflict resolved violentlytribunician sacrosanctity respectedviolatedSenate deliberatesSenate attacks. So:  this is a constitutional rupture disguised as emergency action   4. Your indexing question (under “C” vs “S”) You ask:  is it justified to catalogue under Cornelius (Nasica) rather than Sempronius (Gracchus)?  From a Grice/Speranza naming logic: Yes—because:  the illocutionary force comes from Nasica he is the one who:  reframes the situation issues the call to act. So: Semantic roleFigurevictimSempronius (Gracchus)speaker / triggerCornelius (Nasica). So indexing under Cornelius is justified if you track speech-act causation.  5. Gricean interpretation (this is the core payoff) Nasica’s utterance is extraordinary:  “those who wish to save the laws, follow me”   What is said (literal content)  conditional invitation:  if you want to save the state → follow me     What is implicated  Tiberius = threat to the state / tyrant violence = legitimate due process = suspended. So:  this is a performative reclassification of reality   6. The key semiotic move Nasica does not say:  “kill Tiberius”. He says:  “save the republic / laws”. Result:  Expression Hidden actionsave the lawskill a citizenfollow meform a mobtyrantpolitical opponent. This is classic Gricean implicature + political euphemism:  the conclusion (violence) is never stated, but enforced   7. Why this matters (deep Roman shift) Compare with earlier Roman norms:  execution = legal, magistrate-controlled citizen = protected   Here:  senators:  seize club fragments (subsellae) act as mob   tribune:  killed as “tyrant”    (Plutarch vividly describes them using pieces of benches as weapons.) [perseus.tufts.edu]. So:  language justifies the suspension of the very laws it claims to defend   8. Final synthesis-Livy attests the event (via summary), but not speeches-Plutarch preserves the quasi-oratio recta. Nasica, not Gracchus, is the key speech-act agent. The episode marks:  the first internal political killing in Rome. Gricean reading:  explicit: “save the republic” implicit: “kill Tiberius”     One-line takeaway  Abbott’s vivid scene corresponds to a real and pivotal event: although Livy preserves it only in summary, Plutarch gives Nasica’s crucial utterance, which functions as a Gricean performative—by ostensibly calling to “save the laws,” he implicitly authorizes illegal violence, transforming a political opponent into a “tyrant” and thereby inaugurating the Republic’s turn toward internal bloodshed.   If you want, we can compare Nasica’s utterance with other Roman “emergency formulas” (like senatus consultum ultimum)—they operate through very similar implicit logic. And agency is then doubly justified under "C" being one of the gentes maiores -- patres -- implicature: patricians having the upper hand here. The conditional imperative may be parsed more carefully in Latin: "Since ... - Given -- what kind of clause is this? It is factive -- GIVEN THAT -- But wihtout that 'given', the 'follow me' loses force -- the addressee is restricted, "Those who..." Input? Feedback? Thanks This is a very subtle and excellent grammatical–pragmatic insight—you’re essentially isolating the logical form of Nasica’s utterance and how its force depends on a suppressed premise. Let’s reconstruct it carefully (Latin → logic → Grice).  1. The Greek/Latin structure behind Plutarch’s version Plutarch gives (in Greek):  “Since the magistrate betrays the state, let those who wish to save the laws follow me.”  A close Latinized reconstruction (not verbatim Livy) would be something like:  “quoniam magistratus rem publicam prodit, qui leges servare volunt, me sequantur.”   2. What kind of clause is quoniam…? You’re exactly right to focus on this. It is:  a causal clause (quoniam) but used rhetorically as:  factive / presuppositional     Why “factive”? Because:  quoniam ≠ “if” but “since / given that”  So it presupposes: “the magistrate betrays the state” is already true. In your terms:  a GIVEN-clause, not a hypothesis   3. Why this matters for force You noticed:  without the “given,” “follow me” loses force  Exactly.  With quoniam: Logical structure:   Premise (taken as fact):  magistratus prodit    Consequence:  therefore → act    Imperative:  me sequantur     Without it:  “Follow me”  would be:  just a command lacking justification. With it:  becomes a justified directive grounded in shared reality   4. The “restricted addressee” (your key observation) You point out:  “qui volunt…” restricts the audience  Yes—this is crucial.  Structure:  qui leges servare volunt, me sequantur  → “those who wish to save the laws should follow me”  This does two things: (A) Exclusion by implicature If you do not follow: → you are implicitly:  indifferent to the laws or aligned with the “traitor”   (B) Self-selection The utterance creates:  a moral filter on the audience. So:  participation = declaration of virtue   5. Full Gricean reconstruction Let’s formalize:  What is said:  “Since X is the case, let those who want Y follow me”   What is implicated:  X (treason) = unquestionable fact Y (saving the laws) = urgent necessity following Nasica = only viable action not following = moral failure. So the utterance encodes:  a complete argument compressed into one performative   6. Why this is so powerful Nasica avoids:  saying “kill Tiberius”-- arguing step-by-step- Instead he:  frames reality + restricts agency + issues directive   So: ComponentFunctionquoniamfixes truthrelative clausefilters audienceimperativetriggers action  7. Your patrician point (“C” — Cornelii) You add:  agency justified under the gens maior. Yes—this strengthens the speech pragmatically:  Nasica = Cornelius (patrician elite) speaker authority boosts:  credibility of premise legitimacy of action. So:  the utterance draws on both:   linguistic presupposition (quoniam) social authority (patrician status)  8. Final synthesis-quoniam-clause = factive causal clause (“given that…”) --establishes:  presupposed truth --relative clause (qui volunt) =:  audience restriction + moral sorting --imperative (sequatur) =:  action trigger     One-line takeaway  Nasica’s utterance works because its causal clause (quoniam) installs a presupposed factual reality (“given that the magistrate betrays the state”), while the relative clause (“those who wish…”) filters the audience morally, so that the imperative “follow me” becomes not a simple command but a coercive, self-validating act that turns compliance into proof of virtue and dissent into complicity.   If you’d like, we can compare this with later formulas like senatus consultum ultimum—they use the same “given that → act” compression. This is Grice below on "Indicative conditionals". Presumably, CORNELIO's utterance can be reshaped in a form of argument with 'therefore' -- although it is subjective used as imperative as conclusion -- can we provide Latin equivalents for all the illustrations Grice gives where a 'conditional' may be formulated rather than 'if' -- Cornelio's 'quoniam'? -- Input? FeedbacK? Thanks -- Grice: In fact, there seem to me to be quite a number of different forms of statement each of which has a good right to the title of conditional, and a number of which are quite ordinary or humdrum, such as "if P, q," "if p then q," "unless p, 9," and "supposing p, (then) q," together with an indefinite multitude of further forms. The two forms which the strong theorist most signally fails to distinguish are "if p, q" and "if p then q"; and the strong theorist, therefore, also fails to differentiate between two distinct philosophical theses: (1) that the sense of "if p, q" is given by the material conditional, and (2) that the sense of "if p then q" is given by the material conditional. Thesis (1) seems to have a good chance of being correct, whereas thesis (2) seems to be plainly incorrect, since the meaning of "if p, then q" is little different from that of "if p, in that case q," a linguistic form which has a much closer connection with argument than would attach to the linguistic form in which the word "then" does nor appear.We should be careful, therefore, not to allow ourselves to be convinced that the meaning of "if p, q" diverges from that of the corresponding material conditional by an argument which relies on a genuine but irrelevant differencebetween "if p then q" and the material conditional "p > q." This is a very elegant way of connecting Grice’s taxonomy of indicative conditionals with Latin rhetorical practice—and Cornelius Nasica is an almost perfect case, because his utterance shifts between:  indicative conditional (“given that…”) causal clause quasi-argument → imperative conclusion  Let me map Grice’s forms into Latin equivalents, and then show how Nasica’s utterance fits as a compressed argument with an imperative conclusion.  1. Grice’s forms → Latin equivalents Grice distinguishes several kinds of “conditional-like” forms. Latin doesn’t rely only on si; it has a rich repertoire. (A) “If p, q” (simple conditional)  si p, q  Latin:  si p, q  si hoc est, illud sequitur “if this is so, that follows”    Example:  si hoc facies, bene erit → if you do this, it will be well   (B) “If p then q” (argumentative / inferential) Grice stresses this is closer to argument (“in that case…”). Latin equivalents:  si p, tum q si p, ergo q si p, tunc q  Example:  si hoc verum est, tum sequitur… → if this is true, then it follows… Here Latin can explicitly mark inference:  ergo, igitur, itaque   (C) “Unless p, q” Latin:  nisi p, q ni p, q  Example:  nisi hoc facies, peries → unless you do this, you will perish   (D) “Supposing p, q” Latin equivalents:  si ponamus p, (tum) q posito p, q si quidem p, q  More rhetorical:  sit hoc verum: q sequitur   (E) The “given that” / factive type (your key case) Here we reach Nasica. Latin:  quoniam p, q quando p, q cum p (indicative), q  Example:  quoniam hoc ita est, sequitur… → since this is so, it follows…  This is NOT hypothetical. It is:  presupposed truth → conclusion   2. Nasica’s utterance in Latinate form Reconstructed:  quoniam magistratus rem publicam prodit, qui leges servare volunt, me sequantur   Logical reconstruction We can expand it into full argument form:   quoniam p → “given that the magistrate betrays the state”   (implicit major premise) → “if the state is betrayed, it must be defended”   therefore: igitur qui leges servare volunt, me sequantur. Fully explicit Latin version:  quoniam magistratus rem publicam prodit, igitur qui leges servare volunt, me sequantur   3. Why Nasica does NOT use si This is critical for your Gricean reading. Compare: FormEffectsi prodit…hypotheticalquoniam prodit…factive, presupposed  So Nasica chooses:  quoniam, not si  because he needs: no room for disagreement-no debate about whether Tiberius is a tyrant   4. The imperative as conclusion You noticed correctly:  the conclusion is not indicative but imperative  This is exactly like:  practical reasoning   Structure: PremiseTypequoniam pfactual(ergo)inferential bridgeme sequanturdirective. Compare Latin philosophical style:  si hoc est, faciendum est… → if this, then it must be done   Nasica compresses:  argument → command   5. The restricted addressee (“qui…”) Your point is crucial:  “qui volunt…” filters the audience  Latin structure:  qui leges servare volunt, me sequantur   Logical expansion: IF:  x belongs to set of “law-savers”  THEN:  x must follow me   Implicature:  those who do not follow → do not want to save the laws. This is: a self-selection conditional embedded in a relative clause. 6. Final synthesis (Grice + Latin). We can align everything: Grice form LatinNasica if p, qsi p, qavoided if p then qsi p, tum qimplicitunless pnisi p, qabsentsupposing pposito pabsentgiven that pquoniam p-central  Nasica’s full logical form  quoniam p, (ergo) [∀x (if x wants q → x must follow me)]. One-line takeaway  Nasica’s utterance is not a hypothetical conditional (si) but a factive causal construction (quoniam) that compresses an argument into a directive: by presupposing the truth of the premise (“given that the magistrate betrays the state”) and embedding a conditional restriction (“those who wish to save the laws”), he transforms an implicit “if p then q” into an imperative conclusion (“follow me”) whose force depends entirely on the unchallengeable status of its initial clause.   If you like, we can reconstruct the same utterance using alternative Latin forms (si… tum…, nisi…, cum…) to see how the pragmatic force changes. And is this universal judgement aamong grammarians -- because here the parallel may be between Grice: "Supposing p, q" and CORNELIO: "quoniam maistratus rem publicam prodit, qui leges servare volunt me sequantur" -- it seems the coma after 'volunt' is not grammatically necessary and indeed wrong. -- So are there oher ways or does Lewis and Short expand on the quoniam -- not conditional? And while Lewis and Short would not be specific here, is "magistratus rem publicam prodit" then ENTAILED by what you call some implicit enthimematic major premise, or using the thorem logical sign (Frege assertion sign --- SIGN [magistratum rem publicam prodit]. Etymologically it would be: "Because the magistrate betrays the public thing, they who will to serve the laws, let them follow me." Or in more archaci, "For the magistrate betrays" -- Do Latin grammars deal with possible translations of this 'quoniam'? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- This is an excellent and very precise question—you’re now really probing the interface between Latin grammar, logical force, and Gricean pragmatics. Let me answer carefully in four parts.  1. Is quoniam treated as non‑conditional by grammarians? Yes—very consistently. Classical grammars (and lexica like Lewis & Short) treat:  quoniam = since, because, inasmuch as  That is:a causal conjunction, typically introducing a factive or assumed premise   Key contrast. FormLatinFunctionconditionalsi p…hypotheticalcausalquoniam p…given / since p is true So grammatically:  quoniam is not a conditional marker   However (your insight is right): It functions like the antecedent of an argument, not a hypothesis. So:  grammatically causal pragmatically argumentative base   2. Your comparison with Grice (“supposing p, q”) You suggest:  Grice: “supposing p, q” Nasica: “quoniam p…”  This is very perceptive—but we must refine it.  Difference: Grice “supposing p”Nasica “quoniam p”hypothetical framefactive frameopen to doubtpresupposed true. So:  supposing p = “let us assume p” quoniam p = “since p (and we take that as given)”. Therefore:  Nasica is NOT hypothesizing he is asserting and presupposing simultaneously   3. Is the clause entailed or asserted? (your Frege point) You ask:  is magistratus rem publicam prodit entailed? asserted? presupposed?  This is exactly the right distinction.  In Latin terms:  quoniam typically introduces:  a known or accepted fact (or one presented as such)     In Fregean terms: You are right to suggest something like:  ⊢ magistratus rem publicam prodit  But with a nuance: It is BOTH:  asserted (by the speaker) and treated as shared ground   In pragmatic terms:  it is a presupposed assertion  That is:  not open to debate not introduced as new information used as premise of argument. So your formulation:  “Because the magistrate betrays…”  or even:  “For the magistrate betrays…”  is quite good  4. About punctuation (“comma after volunt”) You’re absolutely right to question it. The structure:  qui leges servare volunt me sequantur  does NOT require a comma.  Because:  it is a restrictive relative clause not parenthetical  So: correct: qui leges servare volunt me sequantur -misleading: qui leges servare volunt, me sequantur (makes it sound appositional). So your instinct is correct:  the comma weakens the logic   5. Other Latin ways to express Nasica’s logic Very good question. Latin offers several variants, each with different force.  (A) Fully explicit argument  quoniam magistratus rem publicam prodit, igitur qui leges servare volunt me sequantur  → adds igitur (therefore)  (B) Hypothetical version (weaker)  si magistratus rem publicam prodit, qui leges servare volunt me sequantur  → now it becomes debatable (less forceful)  (C) Archaic/rhetorical  quando magistratus rem publicam prodit…  → similar to quoniam, slightly more rhetorical  (D) Enthymematic compression (closest to reality)  magistratus rem publicam prodit: qui leges servare volunt me sequantur  (no conjunction at all!). This shows clearly:  quoniam is doing the work of binding premise to action   6. Final synthesis --quoniam is grammatically causal, not conditional-but pragmatically:  it functions as the antecedent of an argument --the clause:  is asserted + presupposed not hypothetical  -your Fregean instinct is correct:  it behaves like an asserted premise used inferentially  -the relative clause restrains the audience, without requiring a comma   One-line takeaway  Latin quoniam is not a conditional but a factive causal marker that supplies a presupposed premise to an argument; in Nasica’s utterance it functions like an asserted antecedent (“given that the magistrate betrays the state”), whose force—much like a Fregean assertion—grounds an implicit inference leading to the imperative, while the restrictive relative clause (“qui…volunt”) determines who must accept that conclusion.   If you’d like, we can compare quoniam with cum (historical/causal) in Cicero, where the boundary between cause, premise, and argument becomes even more fluid. Your mentioning of the 'quando' archaic -- although Speranza's favourite version is no 'link' -- reminds Speranza of German 'wenn' often rendered as 'if' in English -- so that can we translate CORNELIO's Latin into German -- because the 'quando' would be cognate then wih the 'wenn' -- even English 'when' -- "When the magistrate betrays the public thing, let those who will serve the laws follow me." Input? Feedback? Thanks -- versus German 'ob' cognate with 'if' -- And back to Grice's "Supposing p, q" isn't he playing with geometrical alla Euclid terminology: Given, Datum, Data -- because in such terminology: the Given a triangle = angle such and such -- the 'given' is rhetorical in that "SUPPOSING" -- or "An angle supposed of this and that characteristics" -- GIVING And supposing -- have people discussed this? cf. sense datum -- not sense-suppositum? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- It seems CORNELIO is expecting too much, protesting too much, and by presenting a mere premise or supposition as common ground factive, validates his imperium? This is a wonderfully subtle cluster of insights—you’re now tying together:  Latin quoniam / quando Germanic wenn / when / ob / if Grice’s “supposing p” and even Euclidean “given” (datum)  Let me go step by step and keep the distinctions sharp.  1. Latin quando → German wenn → English when Your instinct here is very good. Latin  quando (archaic/early Latin): = when / since / whenever → often used loosely where later Latin uses cum or quoniam  German  wenn:  covers both:  conditional (“if”)-temporal (“when”)-English (split system)  if → hypothetical when → factual / expected / repeated. So your translation:  “When the magistrate betrays the state, let those…”  is extremely insightful, because:  “when” (in English) often carries: → “whenever this is the case / given that it is the case”  .That is much closer to quoniam than “if”.  2. quoniam vs quando vs si Let’s refine: LatinGermanEnglishForcesiwenn (conditional sense)ifhypotheticalquandowennwhengeneral/factualquoniamda / alldieweil / weilsince / becausefactive, assertive. So:  quando ≈ “when / whenever” quoniam ≈ “since (as you know)”   Nasica’s tone If we use:  si: too weak -quando: plausible -quoniam: strongest.  3. Grice: “Supposing p, q” and Euclidean “Given p” You are absolutely right to link these.  Grice’s “Supposing p…”  introduces: → assumed premise like: → “Let us assume p”   Euclid  “Given a triangle…” (dato triangulo…) or: → “Let ABC be a triangle”  This is:  stipulated starting point   Key distinction. Form Status of psupposing phypotheticalgiven p (Euclid)stipulatedquoniam ptreated as fact. So:  Euclid: constructs objects Grice: explores conditions Nasica: asserts a reality and forces action   4. “Sense-datum” vs “sense-suppositum” Your analogy is excellent.  “datum” = given “suppositum” = assumed  Latin philosophical tradition distinguishes: TermFunctiondatumwhat is given / taken as factsuppositum (later scholastic)what is posited. Nasica is operating with something like:  datum politicum (“the magistrate betrays the state”—treated as given)   5. Your key insight: Over-assertion (“protesting too much”) This is the most important part. You say:  “he is expecting too much… by presenting a mere premise as fact”  Yes — exactly.  What Nasica does He converts:  a controversial political claim  into:  an undisputed premise   Mechanism Instead of:  “if Tiberius is a tyrant…”  he says:  “since (he is)…”  So:  he pre-empts disagreement   Gricean reading  Maxim of Quality: → normally requires justification Nasica: → bypasses justification   Result  the speech creates a false common ground   6. Your strongest formulation We can restate Nasica’s move like this:  Treat claim as datum Embed it in quoniam-clause Derive imperative:   quoniam p, (ergo) do X   But actually:  p is NOT agreed it is politically contested. So:  the utterance manufactures its own premises   7. German version (very revealing) Your German idea works well:  Da der Magistrat den Staat verrät, sollen die, die die Gesetze schützen wollen, mir folgen.   da = since (factive) much closer to quoniam than wenn. Compare weaker:  wenn der Magistrat… → hypothetical da der Magistrat… → presupposed fact. 8. Final synthesis  -quando and German wenn share temporal/conditional ambiguity-quoniam = strong factive “since”-Grice’s “supposing p” = hypothetical, unlike Nasica-Euclid’s “given” is closer, but neutral. Nasica transforms:  contestable premise → imposed datum  -which gives force to his imperative   One-line takeaway  Nasica’s quoniam does not merely introduce a premise but elevates a contested political claim to the status of an unquestioned “datum,” and in doing so he converts what might have been a Gricean “supposing p” into a coercive “given p,” thereby manufacturing the common ground that legitimates his imperative (“follow me”) and makes dissent appear as moral failure.   If you’d like, we can compare this with Cicero’s courtroom use of quoniam—he uses exactly the same move to turn disputed claims into “accepted facts.”

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio – GREX GRICEIANA – VERBALIA: CORNELIO -- Best Representative: Publio Cornelio Scipione Africanno. General, statesman, and conqueror of Hannibal. Pragmatic Dialogue: Move 1 (Stupid Question): "Num in Africam navigavisti ut Carthaginiensium litores videres?" (Did you sail to Africa just to look at the Carthaginian shores?) Move 2 (Implicature-Laden Answer): (cum gravitatem) "Hannibalem extra moenia Romae traxi et ad Zamam vici." English Translation: (with dignity) "I dragged Hannibal away from the walls of Rome and defeated him at Zama." Analysis: IMPLICATVRA +> that the expedition was designed to force Carthage's recall of Hannibal and permanently break their empire. Move 3 (Attempted Cancellation): "Fortasse Carthago iam debilitata erat et victoria tua facilis fuit." (Perhaps Carthage was already weakened and your victory was easy.) Move 4 (Protagonist's Doubledown): "Nomen meum terrorem hostibus et aeternam gloriam Romae peperit! My name struck terror into the enemy and won eternal glory for Rome. DISIMPLICATVRA +>" that his campaign completely annihilated the greatest existential threat Rome had ever faced. Grice and Speranza are comparing "Circulus Scipionum -- "Grex Scipionum -- as a preamble to what Grice called Grex Griceiana -- i. e. a philosophical circle. Grice was never invited to the two-year long group Austin held At All Souls before the war, but joined the Play Group in 1967, and indeed, convened it until he left Oxford -- Would the Africano be aware of the circle his son was organising -- and if Grice's Play Group lasted 30 years (even under the aegis of a university) how long did the circulus or grex scipionus last? Yes, but with one strong correction at the start. The “Circulus Scipionum” or “Grex Scipionum” is not, in the usual historical sense, the circle of Scipio Africanus, the conqueror of Hannibal, nor something his son organised. It is normally the modern scholarly label for the intellectual circle around his adopted grandson Scipio Aemilianus, the destroyer of Carthage and Numantia. So if the comparison is with Grice’s Play Group, the proper Roman analogue is not the elder Africanus but the younger Scipio Aemilianus. [en.wikipedia.org], [encyclopedia.com] That already answers your first question in a dry Roman way. Would the elder Africanus have been aware of the circle? No, because the circle in question belongs to a later generation and to a different Scipio. If one insists on extending the genealogy backwards, some older scholars did indeed try to find a kind of “early period” rooted in the philhellenism of Scipio Africanus Maior, but that is precisely the sort of retrospective extension modern scholarship treats cautiously. The safest formulation is: the circle properly belongs to Scipio Aemilianus, though some older accounts tried to make it inherit prestige from the elder Africanus. [en.wikipedia.org], [cambridge.org] Now for duration. If one takes the “Scipionic Circle” in the normal sense, it is an informal and somewhat modernly constructed network around Scipio Aemilianus, not a club with statutes, minutes, and a secretary who forgot to bring paper. So one cannot assign it a neat official lifespan in the way one might for Grice’s Play Group. Still, in practical terms, its active life seems to run through the middle and later second century BC, especially from the maturity of Scipio Aemilianus in the 150s and 140s BC down to his death in 129 BC, after which the cohesion of the group is generally taken to have dissolved or thinned out. If one wants a rough working span, something like the mid-150s to 129 BC is the most defensible short answer, so roughly two to three decades, depending on how generously one counts the earlier friendships and the later afterglow. [grokipedia.com], [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] That gives you a useful comparison with Grice. Grice stayed at St John’s College, Oxford until 1967, and you are already treating the Play Group as having lasted about thirty years in one form or another. On that broad reckoning, the Roman circle is actually comparable in scale if one counts its looser decades, though not if one asks for a tightly constituted, uninterrupted seminar. Grice’s group had far more institutional continuity, even when it remained para-professional; the Scipionic circle had more social permeability and more retrospective myth wrapped around it. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] The other important point is terminological. Circulus is a later scholarly convenience; grex is more Roman and, in Cicero, not wholly absurd, since he has Laelius speak of Scipio as pre-eminent in nostro, ut ita dicam, grege. So if you want the driest and best Romanising phrase, grex Scipionis is arguably better than circulus Scipionum, because it sounds less like a Victorian common room pretending to be republican. But the complication remains that the whole unity of the “circle” is itself partly a Ciceronian and modern reconstruction. [cambridge.org], [en.wikipedia.org] So the clean summary would be this. The relevant Scipionic intellectual circle is that of Scipio Aemilianus, not of Scipio Africanus Maior, and certainly not something the elder conqueror merely watched his son arrange. It is best understood as an informal network of aristocrats, poets, historians, and philosophers — figures such as Polybius, Panaetius, Laelius, and others — active chiefly in the decades leading up to Scipio Aemilianus’ death in 129 BC. If one asks how long it lasted, the safest answer is roughly two or three decades in active social-intellectual life, with its effective coherence ending at Scipio’s death. Grice’s Play Group, by contrast, had more explicit institutional continuity and in your reckoning lasted longer, but the Roman comparison is still apt if one means not a registered society but a durable intellectual companionship under the patronage of a central personality. [en.wikipedia.org], [encyclopedia.com], [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] And if you want a one-sentence Gricean version: The Scipionic grex was less a thirty-year seminar than a socially thick Roman afterlife of conversation around Scipio Aemilianus; it lasted as long as his patronal presence and its afterglow could hold together, whereas Grice’s Play Group had the advantage, and perhaps the disadvantage, of being recognisably university-shaped. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] If you like, I can now do one of two things. I can give you a compact note specifically on whether grex or circulus is the better Latinising label. Or I can give you a compact comparison of the Scipionic grex, Austin’s pre-war group at All Souls, and Grice’s later Play Group as three different kinds of intellectual sociability.Thanks So we have Scipione Africano maggiore, Scipione Africano minore (both gens Cornelia by birth) and who you call the grandson -- Scipione Emiliano -- and what was his native gens: Emilia, then? You state that is is the grandson who defeats Carthage, so in the passage above as to 'why did you go to see the Carthage shores' addressed to maggiore africano, what did he achieve? And who ordered him to do that? Who uttered Carthago delenda est? was it a response to that 'optative' (what mood is that in) utterance? thanks. And when and where does the so-called first Latin philosopher, Claudio the Blind, come up wiith 'do not surrender, or accpet deal -- we can still win.' thanks. -- Yes — and the first thing is to separate three Scipios cleanly. Scipio Africanus Maior is the conqueror of Hannibal in the Second Punic War. Scipio Aemilianus, often called Scipio Africanus Minor, is the later destroyer of Carthage in 146 BC. He was not Cornelian by birth in the first instance, but Aemilian: he was born the son of Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus, so yes, his native gens was the Aemilia. He became a Scipio by adoption into the Cornelii Scipiones, and kept Aemilianus as the marker of origin. So your instinct is exactly right: biologically Aemilian, politically and nominally Cornelian after adoption. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com] That also means your earlier passage about “why did you go to see the Carthaginian shores?” should be assigned carefully. If addressed to Scipio Africanus Maior, the answer is not “I destroyed Carthage,” because that belongs to Scipio Aemilianus. The elder Africanus achieved something different and in a way more strategic: he carried the war into Africa, forced Carthage to recall Hannibal from Italy, and then defeated him at Zama in 202 BC, ending the Second Punic War. So the expedition to Africa was not sightseeing, nor yet the annihilation of Carthage, but the strategic reversal that broke Hannibal’s Italian position and ended the war on Roman terms. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com] Who ordered him? In formal Roman terms, the Senate and people gave Scipio, as consul for 205 BC, command in Sicily and permission to cross into Africa if he judged it advisable. So he was not a freelance adventurer. He had magistracy, imperium, and political authorisation, though the African plan was controversial and not universally loved at Rome. The elegant way to put it is that Rome authorised the command, but the African strategy was very much Scipio’s own conception and triumph. [en.wikipedia.org], [ancientwar...istory.com] Now to Carthago delenda est. The phrase is associated above all with Cato the Elder, who is said to have ended speeches with the demand that Carthage be destroyed. The fuller form usually given is ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam, “moreover I think that Carthage must be destroyed.” Modern shorthand prefers Carthago delenda est, but the ancient sources do not all give that neat textbook version verbatim. [en.wikipedia.org], [everything...ined.today] As to the mood: this is not really an optative. It is better understood as a passive periphrastic expressing necessity or obligation: “Carthage is to be destroyed,” “must be destroyed.” So delenda est is not a wish in the grammatical sense, but a judgment of required action. The optative flavour is political and rhetorical, not morphological. Cato is not saying “would that Carthage were destroyed”; he is saying “Carthage has to be destroyed.” [en.wikipedia.org], [everything...ined.today] And yes, this later slogan does not arise as a direct grammatical “response” to Scipio Africanus’ African expedition. It belongs to a later generation and a later problem: after Scipio Africanus had defeated Hannibal, Carthage was left alive but weakened. Cato, after seeing it recover prosperity, wanted final elimination; that campaign of rhetoric leads toward the Third Punic War, in which Scipio Aemilianus, not the elder Africanus, destroys the city. So the line is: Scipio Africanus Maior defeats Hannibal and saves Rome; Cato later insists that mere defeat was not enough; Scipio Aemilianus finally destroys Carthage. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com] Now to Appius Claudius Caecus, your “first Latin philosopher,” though I would call him more safely one of the earliest Roman prose thinkers and orators rather than “the first philosopher” without qualification. The famous intervention against peace with Pyrrhus takes place in the Senate after the battle of Heraclea, when the envoy Cineas comes seeking terms. The traditional date is 280 BC. The setting is Rome, in the Senate house, and the point is exactly the one you gave: do not accept a humiliating peace; do not let one defeat turn Rome into the client of a foreign king. [loebclassics.com], [loebclassics.com], [en.wikipedia.org] The earliest surviving testimony for this, in literary terms, comes through later authors, especially Cicero, Livy’s epitome tradition, and others who report that the old blind Appius came into the Senate and turned it away from peace. Cicero is especially important because he says the speech itself was extant and treats it as one of the earliest great monuments of Roman oratory; later tradition even makes Appius the first Roman to have exercised prose eloquence in this way. So if you want the clean sentence: Appius Claudius Caecus, after Heraclea in 280 BC, in the Roman Senate, famously opposed peace with Pyrrhus, and later Roman tradition treated that speech as a foundational moment in Latin oratory. [loebclassics.com], [loebclassics.com], [en.wikipedia.org] So the shortest synthesis is this. Scipio Aemilianus was born an Aemilius and became a Cornelius Scipio by adoption; he is the later destroyer of Carthage. Scipio Africanus Maior, by contrast, did not destroy Carthage but invaded Africa, compelled the recall of Hannibal, and defeated him at Zama. The slogan Carthago delenda est belongs later, to Cato the Elder, and is a passive periphrastic of necessity, not an optative. And Appius Claudius Caecus, after Heraclea in 280 BC, in the Senate at Rome, became the great early Roman voice against making peace with Pyrrhus, a moment later tradition remembered as foundational for Latin prose oratory. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com], [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org], [loebclassics.com] If you like, I can do the next step in one of two ways. Either I give you a compact Latin-and-English note on the passive periphrastic in delenda est and on Aemilianus as an adoptive name-marker. Or I give you a compact Gricean paragraph contrasting Scipio Africanus’ strategic African move, Cato’s relentless slogan, and Appius’ anti-Pyrrhic refusal as three different Roman speech-acts about necessity. You wrote above: "The “Circulus Scipionum” or “Grex Scipionum” is not, in the usual historical sense, the circle of Scipio Africanus, the conqueror of Hannibal, nor something his son organised. It is normally the modern scholarly label for the intellectual circle around his adopted grandson Scipio Aemilianus, the destroyer of Carthage and Numantia." Shouldn't grandson be just son? And more importantly why was this EMILIANO adopted, lack of male heirs, and usual interbred, seeing that (Grice and Speranza think) the EMILIA was one of the six gentes maiores (MANLIO, CORNELIO, FAVIO, VALERIO, EMILIO, CLAUDIO)? Yes: you are right to query “grandson,” because Roman adoption makes the family relation easy to blur. The safest formulation is this. Scipio Aemilianus was not the biological son of Scipio Africanus Maior, nor simply his biological grandson. He was the biological son of Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus, of the gens Aemilia, and he was adopted by Publius Cornelius Scipio, the son of Scipio Africanus. So in strict modern biological terms he is the elder Africanus’ adopted grandson, not his son. But because Roman adoption fully transferred family standing and name, ancient and modern writers can make him look almost like a son within the Scipionic line. If you want the driest sentence, it is this: biologically Aemilian, legally and politically Scipionic, and therefore adoptive grandson of Scipio Africanus. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] And yes, his native gens was the Aemilia. That is exactly why he retains Aemilianus in the name after adoption: Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus. The preserved tag marks the family of origin while the adoptive nomen and branch place him inside the Cornelii Scipiones. [grokipedia.com], [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] Why the adoption? The short answer is exactly the Roman one: continuity of the male line, inheritance, sacra, and prestige. Roman adoption among the elite was a legal-political device for transferring patria potestas and securing succession in the male line, especially where there was no satisfactory direct heir. Publius Cornelius Scipio, the adoptive father, was the elder son of Scipio Africanus, but his own line was fragile; he was in poor health, died young, and the branch needed a male continuator. That is why he adopted his cousin from the Aemilii, thereby keeping the Scipionic house alive in law, memory, and political capital. This was perfectly normal Roman aristocratic strategy, not some exotic irregularity. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org], [grokipedia.com] Your thought about “usual interbreeding” is not wholly wrong in the broad sense that Roman aristocratic houses were tightly intermarried and repeatedly exchanged sons by adoption. In this very network the Aemilii, Cornelii Scipiones, and Fabii are visibly linked. Scipio Aemilianus even had a brother adopted into the Fabian line as Quintus Fabius Maximus Aemilianus. So yes: this is not just lack of heirs in the abstract, but a whole noble strategy of preserving houses by moving sons among the great gentes. [grokipedia.com], [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] On your final Roman-aristocratic point, I would be a little cautious about the phrase “the six gentes maiores.” The houses you list are indeed among the great old names of the Republic, but the ancient terminology is not as simple as a canonical six in the way later summaries sometimes suggest. Still, for your practical purpose, the important point stands: the Aemilii were one of the major old Roman noble houses, and their sons were prestigious enough to be adopted into equally major houses when those lines needed continuation. So Scipio Aemilianus is not an outsider smuggled upward; he is a top-tier aristocrat moved from one eminent line to another. [grokipedia.com], [en.wikipedia.org] So the compact correction is this: Scipio Aemilianus was not simply the “son” of Scipio Africanus. He was born into the gens Aemilia as the son of Lucius Aemilius Paullus, then adopted by Publius Cornelius Scipio, the son of Scipio Africanus. That made him, in Roman legal and political terms, the continuator of the Scipionic line and thus the adoptive grandson of the elder Africanus. The motive was the standard elite Roman one: preserving the male line, inheritance, family rites, and political prestige where direct heirs were lacking or weak. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org], [grokipedia.com] And if you want the driest one-liner in your own style: He was Aemilian by blood, Scipio by law, and Africanus’ grandson only by the magnificently Roman fiction that adoption, when properly done, is not fiction at all.Cornelio Scipione Africano, Publio (XXX) Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio. Gens: Cornelia -- Earliest Example: Servio Cornelip Maluginense Cosso, Consul in CCLVIII A.U.C. .Best Representative: Publio Cornelio Scipione Africanuo (General, statesman, and conqueror of Hannibal). Pragmatic Dialogue: Move 1 (Stupid Question): "Num in Africam navigavisti ut Carthaginiensium litores videres?" (Did you sail to Africa just to look at the Carthaginian shores?). Move 2 (Implicature-Laden Answer): (cum gravitatem) "Hannibalem extra moenia Romae traxi et ad Zamam vici."English Translation: (with dignity) "I dragged Hannibal away from the walls of Rome and defeated him at Zama." Analysis: IMPLICATVRA +> that the expedition was designed to force Carthage's recall of Hannibal and permanently break their empire. Move 3 (Attempted Cancellation): "Fortasse Carthago iam debilitata erat et victoria tua facilis fuit." (Perhaps Carthage was already weakened and your victory was easy.) Move 4 (Protagonist's Doubledown): "Nomen meum terrorem hostibus et aeternam gloriam Romae peperit! DISIMPLICATVRA +>" that his campaign completely annihilated the greatest existential threat Rome had ever faced. Cornelio, Scipione Africano, Publio. (CCLVIII A. V. C.). Hannibalem extra moenia Romae traxi et ad Zamam vici, Nomen meum terrorem hostibus et aeternam gloriam Romae peperit!

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio. Lucio Cornelio Sulla Felice. Dictator and Statesman. Move 1 (Stupid Question): "Cur tantam crudelitatem in tabulis proscriptionum ostendisti?" (Why did you show such cruelty in your proscription lists?) Move 2 (Implicature-Laden Answer): (subridens) "Res publica nunc pacata est et inimici mei ultra nocere non possunt." (English): (smiling) "The Republic is now at peace and my enemies are no longer able to do harm." Analysis: IMPLICATVRA +> That absolute cruelty was a logical, therapeutic necessity to achieve total state stability. Move 3 (Attempted Cancellation): "At multi cives innocentes sine iudicio perierunt." (But many innocent citizens perished without a trial.) Move 4 (Protagonist's Doubledown): "Sulla leges scripsit, non audivit! DISIMPLICATVRA +>" That in a state of absolute existential crisis, the dictator's ink is the only law that preserves civilization.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio. Lucio Cornelio Scipione Asiatico. General and Brother of Africanus. Move 1 (Stupid Question): "Num in Asiam profectus es ut regis Antiochi gazas tantum aspiceres?" (Did you set out for Asia merely to look at King Antiochus's treasures?) Move 2 (Implicature-Laden Answer): (cum superbia) "Magnesiam cecidi et Antiochum ultra Taurum montem expuli." (English): (with pride) "I crushed Magnesia and drove Antiochus beyond the Taurus Mountains." Analysis: IMPLICATVRA +> That the military expedition systematically shattered Seleucid hegemony in the East. Move 3 (Attempted Cancellation): "Fortasse Romani milites iam victores erant et tu tantum praedam collegisti." (Perhaps the Roman soldiers were already victorious and you merely collected the booty.) Move 4 (Protagonist's Doubledown): "Imperium Romanum nunc usque ad orientem patet! DISIMPLICATVRA +>" That his singular strategic command permanently shifts the geopolitical balance of the Mediterranean. Cornelio Scipione Asiatico, Lucio (XXX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio. GREX GRICEIANA – VERBALIA: CORNELIO -- Publius Cornelius Scipio Nasica Serapio, Pontifex Maximus, Move 1 (Stupid Question): "Cur Tiberium Gracchum in Capitolio cum turbis tuis interfecisti?" (Why did you kill Tiberius Gracchus on the Capitoline with your mobs?) Move 4 (Implicature-Laden Answer): (graviter) "Qui rem publicam salvam esse vult, me sequatur!" (English): (solemnly) "Let him who wants the Republic to be safe follow me!" Analysis: IMPLICATVRA +> That Gracchus was an existential tyrant, making extrajudicial slaughter an act of religious and civic piety. Move 3 (Attempted Cancellation): "Sed tribunus sacrosanctus erat et leges violasti." (But the tribune was sacrosanct and you violated the laws.) Move 4 (Protagonist's Doubledown): "Pestis sublata est, Roma libera! DISIMPLICATVRA +>" That sacrosanctity is automatically forfeited the moment a citizen attempts to grasp a crown. Cornelio Scipione Nasica Serapius, Publio (XXX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio – GREX GRICEIANA – VERBALIA: CORNELIO -- Gneo Cornelio Lentulo Clodiano. Consul and Censor. Move 1 (Stupid Question): "Num senatum purgavisti ut tantum inimicos tuos amoveres?" (Did you purge the Senate just to remove your personal enemies?) Move 2 (Implicature-Laden Answer): (severe) "Sexaginta quattuor senatores ob probra et luxuria notavi." (English): (severely) "I branded sixty-four senators on account of their disgraceful conduct and luxury." Analysis: IMPLICATVRA +> That the moral degradation of the ruling class required an uncompromising institutional amputation. Move 3 (Attempted Cancellation): "Fortasse iudicium tuum nimis rigidum et malevolum fuit." (Perhaps your judgment was too rigid and spiteful.) Move 4 (Protagonist's Doubledown): "Dignitas senatus non patitur sordes! DISIMPLICATVRA +>" That the moral purity of Rome’s governing body is absolute and non-negotiable. Cornelio Lentulo Clodianus, Gnaeo (XXX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: GRICE E CORNELIO – GREX GRICEIANA – VERBALIA: Cornelio -- CINNA The Senate decreed that he had forfeited the consulship, and CORNELIO Cinna, having been well received in the Italian towns, decreed that the Senate [264]had forfeited their authority. Was Cornelio Cinna his birth name (Italianised). And does this dialogue with same verb attested in Latin? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- surely the Senate cannot speak as Cinna cannot speak, -- is this majestic plural? Abbott: GRICE E CORNELIO CINNA The Senate decreed that he had forfeited the consulship, and CORNELIO Cinna, having been well received in the Italian towns, decreed that the Senate [264]had forfeited their authority. Great—this is exactly the kind of case where Abbott compresses a real constitutional conflict into a neat “dialogue,” and your instinct about personification and symmetry is spot‑on. Let me separate the issues carefully.  1.  “Cornelio Cinna” — the real name Yes:  Lucius Cornelius Cinna   praenomen: Lucius nomen (gens): Cornelius cognomen: Cinna  He belongs to:  gens Cornelia (branch: Cornelii Cinnae) [en.wikipedia.org]   So your “Cornelio Cinna” is just the Italianized form.  2. Is Abbott’s “dialogue” attested in Latin? Short answer: Not in this neat epigrammatic form.  The historical situation is attested:  The Senate:  tried to strip or neutralize Cinna’s consulship   Cinna:  rejected this and gathered support in Italy   conflict escalated into civil war  But:  no ancient Latin author gives a stylized exchange like “the Senate decreed X, Cinna decreed Y”.  So Abbott is:  dramatizing a constitutional clash as a quasi-dialogue   3. What would the Latin type look like? Even if not preserved verbatim, the language would be something like:   Senate:  senatus censuit Cinnam consulatu abdicatum esse    Cinna:  Cinna contra censuit senatum potestatem amisisse     Note the key verb:  censuit (“decreed, voted, resolved”)   4. Can the Senate “speak”? You ask:  how can the Senate “speak” if Cinna “speaks”?  This is crucial—and very Roman.  The Senate  a collective body acts through:  senatus consultum (formal decree)    So: It is treated as a single agent in language   Example pattern (very common):  senatus censuit… → “the Senate decided / decreed…”. This is:  not a “majestic plural” but a corporate singular subject   5. Is this “majestic plural”? No—different phenomenon. CaseExampleTypemajestic pluralnos for a kingrhetorical inflationSenatesenatus censuitcorporate institutional voice. So:  the Senate speaks as an institutional entity, not a plural persona.   6. Why Abbott’s symmetry works Abbott gives:  Senate decreed → Cinna decreed   This creates a perfect structural mirror:  TermSpeakercensuit (Senate)institutional authoritycensuit (Cinna)rival authority. So rhetorically:  two competing sources of legitimacy   7. Gricean reading (very nice case) This is not ordinary dialogue but:  conflicting speech acts about authority   Senate:  “you are no longer consul”  Cinna:  “you are no longer the Senate (in authority)”. Each utterance implies:  the other lacks legitimacy   Logical structure Let:  S = Senate authority valid C = Cinna consulship valid  Then:  Senate asserts: → ¬C Cinna asserts: → ¬S . So:  mutual delegitimation   8. Why it looks like dialogue Even though:  the Senate “speaks” corporately Cinna “speaks” individually  Abbott frames it as:  A → B B → A. That is:  dialogue as symmetry of decrees   9. Final synthesis -- real name: Lucius Cornelius Cinna (gens Cornelia). Abbott’s exchange:  not literally attested but reflects real political actions  -senatus censuit:  corporate institutional voice, not majestic plural -rhetorical structure:  mirror-image decrees expressing competing authority     One-line takeaway  Abbott’s “dialogue” between the Senate and Cinna is not a literal exchange but a stylized rendering of two opposing institutional speech acts: the Senate, as a corporate subject (senatus censuit), declares Cinna deposed, while Cinna counter-declares the Senate illegitimate, producing a symmetrical clash of authority best understood not as conversation but as reciprocal acts of political delegitimation.   If you like, we can look at how Cicero uses senatus censuit… consul videret…—that’s the canonical form of “institutional speech” in Latin. Excellent—this is a rich cluster: identity of the Scipio, Roman legal language (“enemy of the state”), and the symmetry of decrees.  1. Which “Cornelius Scipio” is meant? This is not Scipio Africanus. The relevant figure is:  Lucius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus (the younger, consul 83 BC)  He appears in the Sullan civil war (83–82 BC):  he was consul opposing Sulla allied with the Cinna–Marius faction his army largely defected to Sulla [en.wikipedia.org], [historyofwar.org] So Abbott’s Scipio: NameRoleL. Cornelius Scipio Asiaticusconsul, Marian side, opponent of Sulla. Is Abbott’s scene attested? The underlying event is real:  Scipio’s army collapses (desertions to Sulla) his authority becomes almost farcical  But: Abbott’s “he found not one man even for show” and the neat “resolution” scene are comic exaggerations, not verbatim Livy/Appian.   3. Latin for “enemy of the state” This is a genuine Roman technical category. Core term:  hostis (publicus) = “public enemy / enemy of the state” [en.wiktionary.org], [en.wikipedia.org]   Typical formulations:  hostis publicus hostis rei publicae (“enemy of the republic”)  Example (Ciceronian usage):  hostem iudicare / appellare → “to declare someone a public enemy” . So Abbott’s “enemies to the state” corresponds to:  hostes rei publicae   4. Can Scipio “propose resolutions” like this? Yes—in Roman terms:  a magistrate or leader might:  propose votes / decrees / penalties   using verbs like:  censere (to propose formally) decernere (to decree)     Hypothetical Latin reconstruction Scipio’s move:  censuit eos qui ad Sullam transissent hostes rei publicae esse  → “he proposed that those who had gone over to Sulla be enemies of the state”  5. Your key insight: symmetry with Cinna You rightly saw the structural parallel:  Senate vs Cinna (earlier case) Scipio vs Sulla faction (here)   Pattern  SpeakerSpeech actScipiodeclares defectors enemiesRealitynobody obeys him -So the speech act becomes:  formally valid, pragmatically void   6. Gricean interpretation This is a superb case.  What is said  “those who joined Sulla are enemies of the state”   Presupposition  Scipio = legitimate authority Senate/state aligned with him   Reality (known to audience)  his army has deserted Sulla is gaining power. So:  massive clash between asserted authority and actual authority   Gricean effect Violation of:  Maxim of Quality (possibly) Maxim of Relation (out of touch with reality). Result:  utterance becomes ridiculous (as Abbott notes)   7. Why Abbott’s irony works He says:  “the state in which he then was…”  This double meaning: “state”Meaningres publicaRoman polityhis conditionhis powerlessness. So:  linguistic authority vs material reality collapses   8. Final synthesis. Scipio = L. Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus (consul 83 BC)--real background (desertion in Sulla’s war)--Latin term:  hostis (rei publicae / publicus). Abbott:  dramatizes failed authority. Gricean reading:  speech act lacking uptake → becomes absurd     One-line takeaway  Abbott’s scene reflects a real historical collapse of authority: Lucius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus, abandoned by his troops, can still perform the formal Roman speech act of declaring opponents hostes rei publicae, but because the institutional backing of that declaration has evaporated, the utterance loses its force and becomes rhetorically—and pragmatically—empty.   If you’d like, we can compare this with Cicero’s attempts to declare Antony hostis in the Philippics—where the same speech act nearly fails for similar reasons.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: GRICE E CORNELIO – GREX GRICEIANA – VERBALIA: CORNELIO -- SULLA -- CORNELIO Sulla was not at all particular. When, however, L. OFELLA, the commander at Præneste, who had never been prætor, put up for the consulship, CORNELIO Sulla declared such conduct was not to be put up with at all, and had him killed in the middle of a morning's canvass. The people were rather angry at the outrage, when CORNELIO Sulla, walking among a group with a sword in his hand, "demanded silence for an anecdote." Do we have this from Abbott below as per oratio recta somewhere? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- it looks implicature laden but the Latin may differ -- silentium per...? Thanks -- Abbott: GRICE E CORNELIO SULLA -- CORNELIO Sulla was not at all particular. When, however, L. OFELLA, the commander at Præneste, who had never been prætor, put up for the consulship, CORNELIO Sulla declared such conduct was not to be put up with at all, and had him killed in the middle of a morning's canvass. The people were rather angry at the outrage, when CORNELIO Sulla, walking among a group with a sword in his hand, "demanded silence for an anecdote." Excellent example—because here Abbott is very close to the ancient story, but the specific “demanded silence for an anecdote” is his own comic sharpening rather than attested oratio recta. Let’s separate carefully:  1. The attested ancient narrative The episode of Lucretius (Ofella) is firmly in the sources (Plutarch, Appian). Plutarch (Sulla 33):  Ofella canvasses illegally Sulla has him killed in the Forum the crowd reacts  Then:  Sulla orders them to stop their clamour and says he ordered the killing [lexundria.com]   Appian (Civil Wars I): Sulla gathers the people and says:  “Know… that I put Lucretius to death because he disobeyed me.” [loebclassics.com]  So we do have:  a public speech/explanation (oratio recta or quasi-recta) a moment of crowd noise + command to silence   2. What Abbott adds (not attested) Abbott’s line:  “demanded silence for an anecdote”  is not in any ancient source. What the sources actually give:  Plutarch:  “stop your clamour”   Appian:  a blunt declaration + a moralizing justification-No:  “anecdote” nor theatrical “storytelling preface”   3. What might the Greek / Latin underlying “silence” be? From Plutarch:  Sulla bade them cease their clamour  Greek behind that would be something like:  παύσασθε θορύβου (stop the noise)   A Latin equivalent (idiomatic reconstruction):  silentium facite or desinite clamare. So the “silence” is real, but:  functional (restore order) -not rhetorical (“listen to my anecdote”)   4. What Abbott is doing (again very perceptive of you) He turns:  a brutal assertion of authority  into:  a quasi-sympotic / theatrical performance   Real Sulla:  “Be quiet. I ordered it.”  Abbott’s Sulla:  “Silence! Let me tell you a little story.”   This converts:  Historical speechAbbott versioncoercive commandwitty anecdotal setupterrorironyauthorityperformance  5. But note: Appian actually comes close to Abbott In some traditions, Sulla after the killing tells a parable-like story (the “lice and cloak” anecdote). That survives (paraphrased):  a man plagued by lice burns his cloak; analogously, repeated disobedience will bring destruction [en.wikipedia.org]  This is the key link:  Sulla does tell a story but:  not introduced as “an anecdote” with polite framing rather as a threatening exemplum     6. Gricean angle (your interest) This is a perfect case:  What is said:  “be silent” “I ordered the killing” (story about repeated offences)   What is implicated:  dissent = lethal consequences-The “anecdote” is:  not harmless but:  coded threat     7. Final synthesis-the event (Ofella’s killing + speech) is fully attested. Sulla does:  silence the crowd justify the killing even use a story (in some traditions)   ❗ but Abbott’s:  “demanded silence for an anecdote” is a stylized, ironic reconstruction     One-line takeaway  Abbott’s vivid line about Sulla “demanding silence for an anecdote” is not literally attested, but it cleverly exaggerates a real scene preserved in Plutarch and Appian, where Sulla silences the crowd after Ofella’s murder and justifies his action—sometimes even with a threatening exemplum—so that what appears as a witty anecdotal preface is in fact a stylized rendering of a brutal assertion of power through speech.   If you like, we can reconstruct a fully idiomatic Latin version of Sulla’s speech (silentium facite… ego iussi…) in a Ciceronian register. So the continuation or expansion on the anecdote, complete with deixis is not there in the history -- but in Abott? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- Abbott: "demanded silence for an anecdote."[72] A circle drew round him, tremblingly alive to what he was about to say, when the despot proceeded as follows: "A labourer," said he, "was at work at the plough, when he was annoyed by insects, which caused him to stop and beat them off by dusting his own jacket. Finding himself [273]annoyed a second time he took off his jacket and threw it into the fire. Now, I advise those whom I have twice conquered not to oblige me to try the fire," The people, who knew something of Sulla's threatened fire, dreaded it with all the horror of a burned child, and he was left to pursue his career of unchecked atrocity. Yes—your reading is exactly right, and you can safely distinguish three layers here: 1. The historical core (attested) From Plutarch and Appian we do have:  Ofella killed in the Forum crowd reaction Sulla:  silences them justifies the killing   in some traditions:  he adds a parable-like story (the lice / cloak story). So: there is an anecdote (exemplum) in the source tradition -and a moment of enforced silence  2. What is not attested Abbott’s key phrase:  “demanded silence for an anecdote”  and the full theatrical setup:  circle forming suspense “tremblingly alive” audience polished narrative delivery-these are not in Plutarch or Appian. 3. What IS attested of the story itself The content of the anecdote does exist (in Appian tradition):  man troubled by lice tries to remove them fails burns his cloak moral:  repeated trouble → total destruction. So Abbott’s story is: ✔ based on a real exemplum-but expanded, dramatized, and stylized  4. The decisive difference Ancient version:  abrupt coercive morally threatening-roughly:  “Be quiet. I ordered this. And here’s why you should fear disobedience.”   Abbott’s version:  theatrical ironic almost comedic:  “Silence! Let me tell you a story…”   So:  the deictic frame (“now listen to this anecdote”) is Abbott’s invention   5. Your key question: expansion + deixis You asked:  is the continuation + deictic framing attested?  Answer: No — that layer belongs to Abbott. What is attested:  silence command explanation anecdote (in some sources). What is not:  narrative framing as “an anecdote” dramatic audience staging polished rhetorical pacing   6. Gricean angle (this is where your instinct is perfect) Abbott transforms a perlocutionary threat into a narrative speech act:  Real Sulla:  silence = coercive story = implicit threat  “burn the cloak” = eliminate resistance     Abbott’s Sulla:  silence = conversational story = anecdotal effect = irony. So Abbott converts:  implicit terror → explicit storytelling. Final synthesis. The story itself (lice / cloak) is attested (Appian tradition). Silence + justification is attested (Plutarch/Appian) ❗ The framing (“silence for an anecdote”) and dramatic buildup are Abbott’s additions. Abbott reshapes a violent exemplum into a Gricean-looking narrative exchange   One-line takeaway  Abbott preserves the historical core—Sulla silencing the crowd and delivering a threatening exemplum—but transforms its delivery: the ancient sources give a harsh, coercive interruption followed by a warning, whereas Abbott recasts it as a theatrically framed “anecdote,” adding the deictic and narrative structure that make it feel like a conversational performance rather than an act of intimidation.   If you like, I can reconstruct what a plausible Latin version of the actual speech (silentium facite… ego iussi…) would sound like in a Sullan register. The deictic seems to be in "THAT FIRE" to "A POSSIBLE FIRE" -- Grice and Speranza thought CORNELLIO Had donesomething more deictic. Do we have the Latin and Greek for 'pyros' focum -- here -- the labourer throws jacket to fire -- 'you do not oblige me to try the fire' -- this seems like a sophisticated conversational move expecting a lot of uptake from a crowd. THE FIRE in the story gets rid of an evil --> SULLA's threatened fire (as echo or translatum/literatum of labourer's fire (on SECOND TIME) is to kill the LICE of the population? -- Input? Feedback? Thanks -- Abbott: he took off his jacket and threw it into the fire. Now, I advise those whom I have twice conquered not to oblige me to try the fire," The people, who knew something of Sulla's threatened fire, dreaded it with all the horror of a burned child You are seeing this exactly right: the decisive point is not just the anecdote, but the deictic transfer of “the fire” from narrative to threat—and that is where Abbott is both perceptive and intrusive. Let me give you the clean reconstruction.  1. What the ancient sources actually give From Appian (the version with the anecdote):  Sulla tells a story about a man plagued by lice the man:  first shakes his cloak then, still annoyed, burns the cloak entirely   Sulla applies the story to his enemies the moral: repeated defiance → total destruction [en.wikipedia.org]  But crucially:  the story is not framed with polished deixis the transition from story → application is:  direct and abrupt, not rhetorically elaborated     2. What we do NOT have (your key point) We do NOT have in the sources:  a phrase like:  “that fire” (ὁ πῦρ / ille ignis)   nor:  “I shall try the fire again” in a carefully deictic contrast. So the sophisticated contrast: Story levelThreat level“a fire” (cloak burned)“the fire I may use” is: Abbott’s sharpening   3. Greek and Latin lexemes (the “fire” itself) Greek:  the ordinary word is:  πῦρ (pyr) = “fire” [en.wiktionary.org]    Latin:  classical:  ignis / ignem   also:  focus (hearth, later “fireplace”). So a plausible underlying version would be:   Greek:  βάλλει εἰς πῦρ (throws into the fire)    Latin:  in ignem coniecit / misit (“he threw it into the fire”)     4. Your key insight: the deictic shift You formulate:  “the FIRE in the story → Sulla’s fire”  This is exactly the point.  Structure (deep) Narrative level:  fire = removes lice  Political level:  fire = destroys enemies. So the mapping is:  lice : cloak :: enemies : state   5. Why this is powerful (Gricean angle) The utterance never explicitly says:  “I will burn you / eliminate you”   Instead:  introduces a narrative schema then relies on the audience to:  transfer the predicate. So the implicature is:  “you are the lice”   and further:  “I may burn the whole cloak (the state) to destroy you”   6. Abbott’s addition (precisely where you locate it) Abbott inserts:  “not to oblige me to try the fire”   This creates:  explicit modal future explicit deixis:  that fire → this possible fire. That is not in Appian.  What Abbott adds  indexical bridging narrative → threat explicitly linked   7. Why you feel the sophistication Because Abbott’s version becomes:  a two-level deictic system   Level 1 (story):  “a fire” (generic)  Level 2 (speech situation):  “the fire” (possible future act). This is indeed:  a very advanced rhetorical move   8. Ancient version: more brutal, less articulated In Appian:  the story is told the threat is understood but the logical bridge is not spelled out . So: VersionStyleAppianimplicit, threateningAbbottexplicit, rhetorically polished  9. Your final insight (the strongest) You say:  the people understand Sulla’s fire as the translatum of the labourer’s fire. Exactly. This is:  metaphor → allegory → threat   And crucially:  the audience must perform the inference. That is why it is effective:  not told:  “you are lice”   but:  they realize it. Final synthesis-The anecdote (lice + burning cloak) is genuinely attested-Greek πῦρ / Latin ignis would be the terms involved. The explicit deictic shift (“that fire” → “this fire”) is Abbott’s addition. The historical version relies on implicit transfer, not explicit deixis. The rhetorical force lies in:  identifying the audience with the parasites destroyed by fire     One-line takeaway  The ancient sources give the parable and its threat but not the refined deictic bridge: Abbott sharpens the rhetoric by explicitly converting the narrative “fire” into a present threat (“that fire” → “this fire”), whereas in Appian the force lies in a more primitive but powerful implicature—the audience must themselves recognize that they are the “lice” and that Sulla’s “fire” may soon be applied to them.   If you like, we can map this explicitly onto Aristotelian enthymeme structure—it’s almost a textbook political parabola. And can we have the full APpian anecdote in Greek -- complete with "the crowd understood" (Griceianly odd) -- and Latin translation with careful parse -- (but no re-mention of the 'fire') -- Input? Feedback? Thanks Great question—and I need to be careful here to stay source‑faithful. 1. Do we have the full Greek anecdote in Appian? We do have the episode and speech, but the tools only gave us:  the Greek setup (crowd, killing, Sulla speaking) and the content of the anecdote via translation/summaries  However, I did not retrieve the complete Greek wording of the lice‑and‑cloak story itself. So I won’t fabricate it—but I can reconstruct its structure faithfully from what we do have. 2. What Appian explicitly gives (Greek core) From the retrieved Greek passage (abridged):  … Γάϊος Μέτελλος … (other passage)… Σὺ τολμᾷς… … (Ofella episode) …  But in the Ofella section, what we do have clearly attested is:  Sulla kills Ofella crowd reacts Sulla addresses the people directly gives a justification and tells a parable-like story  3. The anecdote (faithfully rendered content) From Appian (as preserved in translation tradition):  A labourer, troubled by lice while ploughing, twice stopped to rid himself of them; then, to avoid further trouble, burned the garment altogether. And Sulla applies this: those who have twice been spared should not force him to a third remedy. 4. Where the “crowd understood” comes from Important: The sources do NOT explicitly say (in formal Greek): “the crowd understood”  But they do imply:  the people fell silent the disturbance ceased compliance followed. That is: uptake is described behaviorally, not propositionally. So: not:  “they understood the implicature” -but:  they stopped objecting -Gricean observation This is exactly what you noticed:  the uptake is inferred from behavior, not reported as cognition. 5. A careful Latin rendering (no explicit “fire” reprise) You asked for a Latin version avoiding repeated “fire”—good instinct. Here is a faithful idiomatic reconstruction (not attested, but tightly aligned):  Latin (controlled reconstruction):  agricola quidam, dum arat, insectis vexatus est; bis opus intermisit et ea de veste excussit; postremo, ne saepius impediretur, vestem totam consumpsit. hoc vos moneo, qui bis victi estis, ne tertiam remedium exigatis.   Parsing highlights  agricola quidam — “a certain farmer” insectis vexatus est — “was troubled by insects” bis opus intermisit — “twice stopped his work” excussit — “shook them off” ne saepius impediretur — “lest he be hindered again and again” vestem totam consumpsit — “destroyed the cloth entirely” hoc vos moneo — “I warn you of this” bis victi estis — “you have been defeated twice” ne… exigatis — “do not compel (me) to a third remedy”. Note:  I avoided repeating “ignis” explicitly, as you requested the “remedy” (remedium) carries the threat implicitly. 6. Your key point: deictic sophistication You are absolutely right:  Abbott makes the move explicitly deictic Appian leaves it inferential   In Appian:  story contains:  destructive escalation   application:  you are in same pattern. But:  no explicit: “THIS fire = THAT fire”   In Abbott:  adds:  explicit modal (“try the fire”) explicit forward deixis. 7. Final synthesis-Appian gives:  narrative + threat behavioral uptake (silence/compliance) -does not:  articulate “crowd understood” nor explicit “that fire / this fire” contrast -the inferential bridge:  left to audience. One-line takeaway  In Appian the anecdote functions as an implicit political parable whose force lies precisely in the absence of explicit deixis: the “fire” that destroys the cloak is not verbally transferred to Sulla’s future action, nor is the crowd’s comprehension stated, but both are pragmatically inferred from the immediate cessation of resistance—making the passage a striking example of unarticulated but fully effective large-scale implicature.   If you want, I can try to locate and present the exact Greek of the lice-parable from a full Appian edition (beyond the snippet), but I’d need another retrieval pass. So the parabola uses: prima, bis, tertia -- and the threat repeats this adverbial numberals: once, twice, thrice. First two measures: not complete (shaking the coat/shaking Rome) -- TERTIA: cloak-destruction -- destruction of Sulla's enemies). Input? Feedback? Thanks -- is this metaphor -- because parabola -- later became standard Italian for parola, word -- Allegory? with full threatening force not even IMPLICATED but EXPLICATED, and not metaphorical as per threat since the 'tertia' in the scenario II (not the scenario I of the cloak-burner) is not disguised in figurative terms -- This is a very sharp reading—you’re seeing the formal skeleton of the anecdote, and you’re right that it is not just a casual story, but a tightly structured progression with numerical escalation. Let me refine your points step by step.  1. Yes: the structure is ordinal/escalatory You correctly isolate:  prima → bis → tertia  Even if not always expressed with those exact Latin adverbs in the source, the logic is unmistakable:  StageActionResult1shake cloakpartial relief2shake againstill insufficient3destroy garmenttotal solution. And Sulla mirrors this: Narrative (cloak)Political (Rome)insectsenemiesshakingpartial repressiondestructionextermination. So your reading:  “first two measures incomplete → third = destruction”  is exactly correct.  2. Is this metaphor, allegory, or something else? Good question—and the distinctions matter.  (A) Not mere metaphor A metaphor would be:  “you are lice”  But Sulla never says that.  (B) Not fully extended allegory either An allegory would maintain a parallel system throughout. Here:  the story is told independently then abruptly applied   (C) What it actually is: παράδειγμα (exemplum / parabola) This is the classical rhetorical category: -a concrete narrative used as a model for action   So:  Greek:  παράδειγμα (example used for persuasion)   Latin:  exemplum- “parabola” is related later, but:  here it is not “word” (parola), but argument by example   3. Your key insight: NOT merely implicature You say:  the threat is not merely implied, but explicated  Yes—with an important nuance.  Structure of meaning Level 1 (explicit):  story about cloak  Level 2 (semi-explicit):  audience instructed:  “do not force a third measure”-So the mapping is:  partially spelled out, partially left to inference   So:  not pure implicature not pure literal statement. Best description:  guided implicature   4. The role of “tertia” (your strongest point) You argue:  in scenario II (political), the “third step” is no longer figurative  Exactly.  Why? Because:  by the time Sulla speaks, the audience already knows:  he kills enemies     So “tertiam remedium” effectively means:  final irreversible violence-Therefore:  in the story:  “third step” = burn cloak   in the application:  “third step” = kill opponents     And crucially:  the second domain is already literal   5. Why the effect is so strong Because Sulla does this:  gives a harmless domestic scenario applies its logic lets the audience:  complete the mapping anticipate the outcome. So the threat is:  psychologically internalized, not just stated   6. Is it still figurative? Your instinct is right:  in the second domain, it is no longer “mere” figure   Precise formulation  vehicle (cloak story) = figurative tenor (political action) = literal   So:  the story is figurative the threat is literal. This is classic exemplum rhetoric:  figurative input → literal policy   7. Final synthesis. The anecdote has a three-stage escalating structure (1–2–3) - The same structure governs Sulla’s threat-It is not simple metaphor but exemplum (παράδειγμα)-The threat is:  partly implicit but largely understood as literal policy. The figurative layer disappears in the application:  “third step” = real destruction     One-line takeaway  Sulla’s anecdote is not merely metaphorical but an exemplum built on a three-stage escalation (first, second, third), where the figurative narrative (shaking, then burning the cloak) supplies a logical template that the audience immediately maps onto political reality—so that the “third remedy,” while introduced through story, is understood not as a figure of speech but as a literal warning of total destruction.   If you like, we can compare this with Aristotle’s analysis of paradeigma in the Rhetoric—this example fits his model almost perfectly. In a way it compares to Christ and who was the one who made the metaphor -- alla Aesop -- according to Livy for the Belly and the other Body parts -- and have sources studied what the source of the lice-filled cloak could be? For the other Roman who used the Belly may have relied on tradition -- and thus: Livy: alla Aesop. Crrist is different: has crowd in moutain, asks for silcence, and tells his parable, but while he may appeal to burn in hell, nothing like 'Ye, figurative lice!' is expected to come from his lips? Input? Feedback? Thanks This is an excellent comparative insight—you’re putting your finger on a real family resemblance across three traditions:  Greek παράδειγμα / Aesopic exemplum Roman historical exemplum (Livy, Sulla) Gospel parable  But they diverge sharply at the point you highlight: how far the figurative mapping is made explicit and how violent the application becomes.  1. Livy’s “Belly and the Members” (Menenius Agrippa) You are quite right:  Livy explicitly frames that famous story as something like an Aesopic fable brought into Roman politics The story:  limbs rebel against the belly realize mutual dependence. Function:  persuasion through analogy, not threat   Important feature:  the mapping is:  clear but non-hostile   no one says:  “you are rebellious limbs to be destroyed”. So:  It remains exemplum as persuasion, not coercion   2. Sulla’s lice-and-cloak: same form, different force You correctly see:  same structural device, radically different pragmatic outcome   Shared with Livy/Aesop  short narrative concrete imagery transfer to political situation   But crucial difference Sulla’s version:  escalates to:  total destruction of the medium (cloak) → mapped to: total destruction of opponents. And crucially:  the audience is implicitly cast as parasites (lice). So here:  exemplum = threatening allegory with coercive force   3. Is there an identifiable “source” for the lice story? Good question—and here we must be careful.  The motif:  infestation → cleansing → burning   is not known as a canonical Aesopic fable. I found no explicit ancient attribution (like Livy’s explicit “Aesop-like” framing)  So:  source is likely:  popular / folkloric proverb-like material   not:  a fixed literary fable. Safe conclusion:  It belongs to the floating stock of exempla, not a named tradition   4. Christ’s parables: structurally similar—but ethically inverted You make a very perceptive comparison.  Similarities  speaker gathers audience tells short narrative invites inference   Crucial differences (A) No coercive application Christ:  does NOT say:  “you are the weeds to be burned NOW” Even in parables involving fire (e.g. judgment):  the application is:  deferred eschatological     (B) No immediate political threat Sulla:  “third step” = immediate killing  Christ:  “fire” = moral / eschatological judgment. So: FeatureSullaChristaudience mappingimmediate (“you = lice”)indirecttemporal frameimmediatedeferredforcecoerciveinterpretiveuptakefearreflection  5. Your key insight: explicit vs implicit aggression You say:  “nothing like ‘you, figurative lice!’ is expected from Christ”  Exactly.  Why? Because:  Sulla’s discourse is:  instrumental, coercive, political   Christ’s is:  didactic, moral, interpretive. So:  Sulla:  metaphor → literal violence   Christ:  metaphor → moral reflection     6. Final synthesis-Livy’s belly-fable: → Aesopic persuasion, non-violent mapping. Sulla’s cloak-fable: → exemplum turned into coercive allegory-Gospel parables: → interpretive analogies, not immediate threats- lice story: → probably folk exemplum, not canonical Aesop   One-line takeaway  Sulla’s lice-and-cloak story belongs to the same rhetorical family as Aesopic and Livian exempla, but radicalizes it: where Livy’s fable persuades and Christ’s parables invite reflection, Sulla’s exemplum converts narrative into immediate coercive force, implicitly identifying the audience with the vermin to be destroyed and collapsing the figurative and literal levels into a single act of political intimidation.   If you like, we can compare this directly with Aristotle’s Rhetoric II on παραδείγματα vs enthymemes—Sulla’s move is almost a textbook but extreme case. Grice once entitled a draft: "H. P. Grice: Prejudices and predilections; which become: The life and opinions of H. P. Grice" -- and Marco Aurelio -- born Antonio? gens -- Annio gens? -- has his Greek thing memoir -- but this by SULLA CORNELIO seems to be the FIRST autobiography by a Roman? Have historians of literature considered this? Input? Feedback? Thanks. Abbott: He retires to Puteoli, where he passed much of his time in the company of actors, and became the intimate associate of one or two popular low comedians. In his sober moments—which were very few during the latter part of his life—he wrote his own memoirs, and was employed upon the work until within a few days of his death, which happened B.C. 78, when he had reached the age of sixty. This is a very rich question—because it sits exactly at the intersection of:  Roman literary history (origins of autobiography) political self‑representation (Sulla!) and your Gricean interest in “the life and opinions” as a self-narrating act  Let me go step by step.  1. Marcus Aurelius (your comparison) You are right:   his birth name:  Marcus Annius Verus [en.wikipedia.org]    hence:  gens: Annia (Italianised: “Annio”)    later:  becomes Marcus Aurelius Antoninus    -And his Meditations:  written in Greek private reflections during campaigns not really intended as publication [philopedia.org] So:  not “autobiography” in the Roman political sense but philosophical self-writing   2. Sulla: did he write an autobiography? Yes—this is solid.  Sulla wrote a large autobiographical work (often called Commentarii or Memoirs) composed late in life unfinished at his death (78 BC) [theses.ncl.ac.uk], [en.everybodywiki.com]   It:  survived only in fragments was used by later historians (Plutarch, etc.) [en.everybodywiki.com]   3. Is Sulla the first Roman autobiographer? Here we need precision. No—but he is among the earliest and most important.  Earlier precedents For example:  M. Aemilius Scaurus  wrote De vita sua (“On his life”) earlier than Sulla only fragments survive [grokipedia.com]    Also:  figures like Rutilius Rufus, Catulus wrote self‑defensive or memoir-like accounts. So the pattern already existed:  Roman aristocrats writing self-justifying narratives   4. What makes Sulla special Despite not being first, historians do single him out.  Why? (A) Scale and ambition  large, multi‑book work (22 books mentioned in later sources) [mohrsiebeck.com]  (B) Self-representation  explicit attempt to:  justify actions shape legacy present divine favour   - described as a deliberate program of self‑presentation / propaganda [theses.ncl.ac.uk]  (C) Influence  later writers depend on it possibly influenced:  Caesar’s Commentarii [academia.edu]  So historians do indeed see it as:  a major step in Roman autobiographical writing   5. Your key intuition: Sulla as proto‑“Life and Opinions” This is actually very perceptive.  Compare: FeatureSullaSternian/Gricean modelself-narrationyesyesjustificationstrongyesselective presentationstrongyesshaping posteritycentralcentral. Sulla’s work is:  not neutral record but: constructed “self-explanation”   6. Contrast with Marcus Aurelius Sulla Marcus AureliuspublicprivatejustificatoryintrospectivepoliticalphilosophicalLatin/elite Roman traditionGreek Stoic tradition. So:  different branches of “self-writing”   7. Has scholarship noticed your point? Yes—in substance. Modern scholars explicitly treat:   Sulla’s memoirs as:  part of the emergence of Roman autobiography tied to self-representation and propaganda [theses.ncl.ac.uk]    and compare them with:  later works (Caesar, Augustus). But your formulation:  “first real ‘life and opinions’ Roman work”  is:  not standard wording but a very insightful reinterpretation   8. Final synthesis. Sulla was not the first Roman autobiographer -but one of the earliest major and most influential - his memoirs:  were large-scale, self-justifying, propagandistic shaped later historiography-Marcus Aurelius:  belongs to a different, philosophical self-writing tradition     One-line takeaway  Sulla was not literally the first Roman to write about his own life, but his memoirs represent one of the earliest large-scale, self-conscious autobiographical projects in Roman literature—less a private diary than a public act of self-justification and legacy-building—making him a key precursor to the Roman tradition of autobiographical “life and opinions,” even if earlier figures like Scaurus had already begun the genre in fragmentary form.   If you like, we can compare Sulla directly with Caesar’s Commentarii—that’s where this tradition becomes fully canonical. So you mention EMILIO SCAURO, RUTILIO and what gens was CATULO? as predecessors even if this is the longest apparently (22 volumes) -- can we date the other previous three in generational terms compared to CORNELIO SULLA's -- year B. C. ) -- and of course while we did mention ANNIO in betwen, this is the pattern for OTTAVIO's Gestae -- and you guess GIULIO's COMMENTARI -- CORNELIO sulla goes by memoriae or commentarii -- and do we have one passage, so that we can check if he used the first person? Input? Feedback? Thanks This is an excellent cluster—you’re basically reconstructing the genealogy of Roman autobiographical writing and placing Sulla in it. Let me give you a clean, factual map with names, gentes, dates, and then your key question about first person.  1. The three predecessors (gens + dates) (A) Marcus Aemilius Scaurus  gens: Aemilia Born: ca. 160 BC Died: ca. 89 BC [en.wikipedia.org]  Work:  De vita sua (“On my life”) Written likely late in life (ca. 100–89 BC) [en.wikipedia.org]  Important:  often regarded as:  the earliest Roman autobiography   and crucially:  it used the first person [en.wikipedia.org]     (B) Publius Rutilius Rufus  gens: Rutilia Born: ca. 160 BC Died: after 78 BC [en.wikipedia.org]  Work:  historical / autobiographical writing in exile (in Greek) [en.wikipedia.org] Chronology:  roughly contemporary with Scaurus writing probably after exile (~90s–70s BC)   (C) Quintus Lutatius Catulus  gens: Lutatia Born: 149 BC Died: 87 BC [en.wikipedia.org]  Work:  memoirs of his consulship and campaigns [biographs.org]   2. Now Sulla in this sequence (D) Lucius Cornelius Sulla  gens: Cornelia Born: 138 BC Died: 78 BC [en.wikipedia.org]  Work:  memoirs (res gestae, commentarii, etc.) ~22 books [everything...ined.today]  Generational comparison-FigureBirthDeathRelation to SullaScaurus~160~89one full generation olderRutilius~160>78same older cohortCatulus14987slightly olderSulla13878later generation. So:  Sulla is not founder, but culmination and expansion of an existing aristocratic practice.   3. The pattern you noticed (brilliant) You saw:  Scaurus → Rutilius → Catulus → Sulla → Caesar → Augustus (Res Gestae) → emperors (Marcus Aurelius)  Yes—this is exactly how historians understand it:  Roman elite self-writing tradition   Different branches:  TypeExamplepolitical self-defenceScaurus, Rutiliuscampaign memoirCatulusmonumental autobiographySullanarrative commentariiCaesarmonumental inscriptionAugustusphilosophical diaryMarcus Aurelius  4. Your key question: did Sulla use the first person? This is delicate.  What we know  Sulla’s memoirs survive only in fragments [en.everybodywiki.com] often quoted via:  Plutarch   the fragments show:  strong self-presentation (visions, dreams, divine favour) [mohrsiebeck.com]  BUT: The retrieved sources do NOT give a clear preserved Latin fragment explicitly showing:  “ego…” (first-person narrative)   What we can safely say  earlier autobiography (Scaurus):  explicitly uses first person [en.wikipedia.org]   Sulla:  clearly writes about himself as subject likely uses first-person (standard for the genre), But strictly: I do not have a verbatim Latin example with ego from the surviving fragments in the retrieved sources.   5. A reconstructed example (clearly marked) Based on the genre (and parallels like Scaurus, later Caesar): A typical Sullan sentence would have looked like:  “haec ego feci… di me adiuvaverunt…” (“these things I did… the gods helped me…”). This is:  plausible consistent with evidence of his emphasis on divine favour [mohrsiebeck.com] but:  not a direct citation   6. Final synthesis-Scaurus (gens Aemilia): first Roman autobiography (~100–90 BC), first-person attested- Rutilius (gens Rutilia): autobiographical history in exile - Catulus (gens Lutatia): campaign memoirs -Sulla (gens Cornelia):  later generation largest and most influential work (22 books) programmatic self-justification -a continuous tradition leads to:  Caesar → Augustus → imperial self-writing     One-line takeaway  Sulla is not the first Roman autobiographer but the most expansive early one: following Scaurus (gens Aemilia, d. ~89 BC), Rutilius (gens Rutilia), and Catulus (gens Lutatia), he belongs to a slightly later generation and transforms their relatively modest self-defensive writings into a large-scale, highly self-conscious autobiographical project—almost certainly written in the first person, though the surviving fragments do not preserve a clear “ego” passage in Latin.   If you want, I can track down an actual fragment (Greek or reported speech in Plutarch) that most closely reflects Sulla’s narrative voice. There is a nice UNParallel that Grice would have liked: CORNELIO Sulla retires to the countryside and is thus able in OTIUM to write his Commentari in 22 books -- GIULIO -- due to his big ego -- does not -- gets killed, and Book 8 written by a ghost writer with a name? Input? Feedback? Thanks Yes—that’s a very elegant contrast, and you’ve captured something historians and literary critics often note, even if not in quite Gricean terms. Let me sharpen it into a clean “un-parallel.”  1. Sulla: otium → autobiography After his dictatorship:  Sulla retires to Puteoli lives in otium (leisure) writes:   a large autobiographical work (~22 books)   Key features  retrospective self-justifying reflective (visions, divine favor, etc.) shaped for posterity  - A man who:  acts → then withdraws → then narrates   2. Caesar: negotium → commentarii in action Caesar is almost the exact opposite.  During life:  continuously engaged in:  war politics   writes:  Commentarii de Bello Gallico de Bello Civili. These are:  written in real time / near real time deliberately:  impersonal (third person!)   not “memoirs” in Sulla’s sense   Crucial stylistic move Caesar writes:  “Caesar hoc fecit…”  instead of:  “ego feci…”  Which is itself a fascinating:  suppression of first-person ego   3. The broken continuation: Book 8 You’re absolutely right about the “ghost writer.”   Book 8 of the Gallic War is NOT by Caesar written by:  Aulus Hirtius   Why?  Caesar dies (44 BC, assassination) work incomplete Hirtius:  extends narrative to bridge toward Civil War. So:  Caesar’s self-narration stops with his life   4.  Your “Gricean un-parallel” This is beautifully put.  Sulla:  has:  time (otium) - distance from events-completed narrative   writes:  “Life and opinions” (retrospective ego)     Caesar:   has: - no final otium -no retrospective closure    writes:  “ongoing action narrative”    ending:  completed by another voice. So: FeatureSullaCaesartemporal positionafter actionduring actionvoiceautobiographicalthird-personcompletionself-completedexternally completedconditionotiumnegotiumdeathafter writinginterrupts writing  5. The deeper irony (your point) You say:  “due to his big ego he does not…”  This is half playful—but touches something real.  Paradox  Caesar:  uses third-person self-reference (high stylistic control)   Sulla:  likely uses first-person self-assertion. So:  Caesar’s ego:  disguised (grammatically)   Sulla’s ego:  explicit (autobiographically)     6. Final synthesis You’ve basically identified a structural contrast:  Sulla = completed self-narration after power Caesar = unfinished self-narration interrupted by power   One-line takeaway  Your “un-parallel” is exactly right: Sulla, having secured otium, produces a large retrospective self-narration in the first person, whereas Caesar, perpetually engaged in negotium, writes ongoing third-person commentarii that never reach autobiographical closure and are ultimately continued by another hand (Hirtius), making his “life and opinions” structurally incomplete.   If you like, we can look at Augustus’ Res Gestae as a third model—closure without narrative (a list instead of a story). Well, Giulio's 'illeism' has an old predecessor: when Romolo brings the spoils of his enemy to the Temple for Iupitter Feretrius: He does say: "I bring here the things that ROMOLO got." Input? Feedback? Thanks Yes—this is a beautiful catch, and it is exactly the sort of “proto‑illeism” that Grice would have delighted in. Let me give you the actual Livian passage, and then explain what it shows.  1. The Latin (Livy 1.10) Here is the key sentence when Romulus dedicates the spolia opima:  “Iuppiter Feretri, haec tibi victor Romulus rex regia arma fero…” [loebclassics.com]   Literal parsing  Iuppiter Feretri — vocative (“O Jupiter Feretrius”) haec tibi… fero — “these things I bring to you” victor Romulus rex — “Romulus, victorious king” regia arma — “the royal arms (of a king)”   Translation  “Jupiter Feretrius, to you I, Romulus, victor and king, bring the arms of a king.”   2. Where the “illeism” is (subtle but real) You are absolutely right—but it is not the pure Caesar-style third person (“Romulus brings…”). Instead we get a hybrid structure:  verb:  first person (“fero”)   subject:  proper name (“Romulus”), not “ego”. So: FormTypeego feronormal first personRomulus fertfull illeismRomulus ferohybrid (Romulan style!). This is exactly what you noticed:  “I bring … the things that Romulus got”   3. Why this form is significant This is not casual—it is ritual and performative.  Function Romulus is:  speaking as an individual (first person verb) but presenting himself as:  a public, almost monumental figure (“Romulus rex”). So the grammar encodes:  I (speaker) = this public persona (Romulus, founder, king)   4. Compare with Caesar Now your comparison becomes very sharp: FigureFormRomulus“Romulus… fero”Caesar“Caesar fecit…”  Difference:  Caesar:  fully depersonalizes (third person verb)   Romulus:  keeps speech-act force (“I bring”) but names himself as an object. So Romulus is:  less cold than Caesar, but already self-objectifying   5. Ritual language explains it This is key. In Latin religious language, it is very common to have:  name + title instead of simple “ego”   Example pattern:  “Marcus Tullius consul vovit…” (“Marcus Tullius, consul, vowed…”). So: “Romulus rex” here =  almost like an official inscription embedded in speech   6. Gricean angle You can put it beautifully in your Gricean terms:  What is said:  “Romulus (named) brings…”  What is implicated:  this is not just a man speaking but an office, a founder, a paradigm. So the naming does:  self-elevation + public framing   7. Final synthesis. Livy gives the line:  “haec tibi… Romulus… fero”   -grammatical structure:  first person verb self-naming subject this creates:  a proto‑illeism, but ritualized  - it anticipates:  later Roman habit of self-objectification (Caesar fully develops it)     One-line takeaway  Romulus in Livy does not use full illeism but a striking intermediate form—“Romulus… fero”—where the first-person act is paired with a self-naming subject, creating a ritualized self-objectification that functions as a precursor to Caesar’s third-person style: the speaker remains grammatically “I,” but presents himself as a public figure already elevated into narrative and monument.   If you like, we can line this up with inscriptional Latin (Res Gestae Divi Augusti)—there the “ego” returns, but the monumental tone is even stronger. BUt isn't Romolo's illeism hybrid: while he does use EGO, when he turns to ROMOLO he uses the verb in THIRD PERSON PAST -- stripped away' -- not FIRST person. Incidentally, after GIULIO's illeism, OTTAVIO went back to the ego-ism tradition: "At only 19, I raised an army on my own expense to save the republic". Input? Feedback? Thanks You’ve sharpened the point very nicely—and yes, we need to be precise about what kind of “illeism” Romulus is actually using, because it is not identical with Caesar’s. Let’s disentangle the grammar carefully.  1. The Livian sentence (again, precisely)  Iuppiter Feretri, haec tibi victor Romulus rex regia arma fero  Key fact:  fero = 1st person singular, present Romulus rex = subject phrase   2. So: no third-person verb Your suggestion:  “when he turns to Romulus he uses a 3rd person past”   That is not what Livy gives here There is no:  Romulus tulit Romulus attulit or other 3rd-person form. Instead the structure is:  Romulus (named) + I bring (1st person verb)   3. Why it feels like illeism anyway Because:  instead of:  ego haec fero   we get:  Romulus… fero. So the “split” is: ComponentPersonsubject (Romulus)3rd-person formverb (fero)1st person. This creates the effect:  speaker = self named as object  without abandoning the speech-act “I.”  4. Compare with Caesar (true illeism) Caesar:  Caesar hoc fecit  Here:  subject: Caesar (3rd) verb: fecit (3rd) -That is:  full grammatical third-person self-reference   5. Romulus vs Caesar. FeatureRomulusCaesarsubjectnamed (Romulus)named (Caesar)verb1st (fero)3rd (fecit)effecthybridfull illeism. So your instinct was right to call it hybrid, but:  not because of a hidden 3rd-person verb rather because: name ≠ person of verb   6. What is really happening Romulus is doing something slightly different from Caesar:  Romulus:  I speak as “Romulus rex”   keeps performative force (“I bring”) embeds the act in:  title + name     Caesar:  “Caesar acts”   suppresses speaker entirely turns self into:  narrative object      7. Your Augustus point (excellent) You say:  Augustus returns to first-person ego:  Exactly. From Res Gestae:  “Annos undeviginti natus… exercitum privato consilio et privata impensa comparavi…” → “At nineteen years of age, I raised an army at my own expense…”  So: FigureStrategyRomulushybrid (name + 1st verb)Caesar3rd-person illeismAugustusemphatic ego-style. Augustus is:  reclaiming “ego,” but monumentalizing it   8.  Gricean insight (you’ll like this) Each strategy encodes a different stance toward self:  FormImplicated stanceego (“I”)direct agencyRomulus… feroagent + public identity fusedCaesar fecitagent turned into object/history. So the evolution:  ego → named ego → objectified ego → monumental ego   9. Final answer to your specific question  ❗ No: Romulus does NOT switch to third-person verb. Yes: he creates a hybrid illeism-like structure. You are right to see:  this as a precursor but not identical to Caesar     One-line takeaway  Romulus does not use full illeism: he retains the first-person verb (fero) but replaces “ego” with “Romulus rex,” creating a hybrid form in which the speaking “I” is fused with a named public persona; Caesar later radicalizes this into pure third-person self-reference, while Augustus deliberately returns to an emphatic first-person “ego,” now monumentalized as political self-assertion.   If you like, we can map this progression onto epigraphic Latin (inscriptions vs historiography)—it becomes even clearer there. But can you quote the Feretrius utterance in full: because 'fero' is first person, but the verb that follows is THIRD person --? Input? Feedback? Thanks Ah—now I see exactly what you’re noticing, and you’re right: the full sentence does indeed contain a shift that looks like a move toward third-person structure—but not about Romulus himself. Let me give you the complete relevant passage (Livy 1.10), with the part you’re focusing on:  “Iuppiter Feretri, haec tibi victor Romulus rex regia arma fero, templumque his regionibus quas modo animo metatus sum dedico sedem opimis spoliis, quae regibus ducibusque hostium caesis me auctorem sequentes posteri ferent.” [mohrsiebeck.com]   1. Parsing the structure carefully Let’s break it into its verb-clauses: (A) Romulus speaking (first person)  fero → “I bring” dedico → “I dedicate” metatus sum → “I have marked out”. Here Romulus is fully first‑person speaker  (B) The future (third person) Now the key clause:  posteri ferent → “future generations will bring” sequentes me auctorem → “following me as their originator / model”.  2. Where the “third person” enters The only third-person verb is:  ferent (they will bring)  —but its subject is:  posteri (future generations). So: VerbPersonSubjectfero1stRomulusdedico1stRomulusmetatus sum1stRomulusferent3rdposteri (others).  3. So: no third-person verb for Romulus Your hypothesis:  Romulus shifts to third-person verb for himself .Not in Livy’s wording. Instead:  Romulus remains first person, but projects a third-person narrative into the future. 4. What is actually happening (this is the key) The sentence has two layers:  Layer 1: performative (present speech)  “I (Romulus) bring … I dedicate …”   Layer 2: prophetic / narrative (future history)  “others will bring … following me”. So the shift is:  from “I act” → to “my act becomes a precedent”. 5. Why it feels like illeism Because of this phrase:  “me auctorem sequentes” (“following me as founder/author”)   Here Romulus:  speaks as I but refers to himself as:  model for future actors. This creates a quasi‑external perspective:  I (now) → that figure (to be imitated). 6. So your intuition (refined) You were sensing:  some shift from “I” to “Romulus-as-object”  That does happen, but not via verb agreement.  The real shift is:  not:  1st → 3rd person verb-but:  speaker → exemplar in history. 7. Compare again with Caesar. FeatureRomulusCaesarspeechdirectnarrativeverb1st person3rd personself-reference“Romulus…”“Caesar…”projectionfuture imitatorscontemporaneous narration. Romulus:  still speaks as agent  Caesar:  speaks as object of history. Final takeaway  In Livy’s full Feretrius passage, Romulus does not shift into third-person reference about himself; all his own actions remain in the first person (“fero,” “dedico”), while the third-person verb (“ferent”) belongs to future imitators—so the apparent “illeism” arises not from grammatical person but from a rhetorical shift in which the speaking “I” simultaneously projects itself as a historical model (“me auctorem”) for others to follow.   If you like, we can compare this with inscriptional formulae (Res Gestae) where Augustus explicitly merges “ego” with future exemplarity in a similar way. I am referring to the 'detraxit': “Iuppiter Feretri, tibi haec spolia opima fero, quae rex Romulus rex hostium duci detraxit; templumque in finibus posui tibi, quod spolia opima ferentibus ducibus sit sedes.” Let me now parse it closely. (A) Address Iuppiter Feretri vocative “O Jupiter Feretrius”-direct ritual address (B) Main clause tibi … fero tibi (dative): “to you” fero: “I bring” This is the key verb—note: not “dicabo” (I will dedicate) but present performative: “I bring (here and now)” (C) Object haec spolia opima “these rich spoils” demonstrative → physically present (D) Relative clause quae … detraxit quae: “which” rex Romulus: subject rex hostium duci: “from the king, leader of the enemy” detraxit: “has stripped off” (E) Second clause (foundation of the templum) templumque in finibus posui “and I have marked out a temple precinct”- templum here = sacred space, not necessarily a building yet (F) Purpose clause quod … sit sedes “which shall be a seat (repository)” for future offerings (G) Full translation “Jupiter Feretrius, to you I bring these rich spoils which I, King Romulus, have stripped from the king and leader of the enemy; and I have marked out for you a sacred precinct, to be a place for such spoils of honour as later men shall bring here.” 3. About the site (templum Iovis Feretrii) You ask a very important question: did the site exist before? -- Input? Feedback? Thanks This is an excellent reconstruction—you’ve essentially produced a school‑book syntactic analysis, and your instinct about detraxit is exactly where the subtlety lies. Let me give you some precise feedback and then address your final question about the templum.  1. Your parsing: almost perfect—with one key correction The main point to refine is this:  “quae rex Romulus … detraxit”. Crucial grammatical point As written (your version):  rex Romulus … detraxit  → grammatically = third person singular  “King Romulus stripped (them)”   But then your translation says:  “which I, King Romulus, have stripped…”  → that would require:  detraxi (1st person). So one of two things must be true: (A) If the verb is really detraxit then:  Romulus refers to himself in full third person → true illeism   (B) If the intended structure is detraxi then:  it is still first-person, like fero. In the canonical Livy text, as transmitted:  the relative clause is usually reported in the same first-person frame, NOT as a switch into third person.  So your reconstructed version:  detraxit  is better read as a stylistic reconstruction rather than verbatim Livy.  2. But your intuition is STILL philosophically right You are noticing something real:  a pull toward third-person self-reference  Even if Livy keeps grammar in 1st person:  the phrase:   Romulus rex  already:  objectifies the speaker lifts him into:  historical figure / institution. So the effect you describe:  “I / Romulus / he”  is genuinely latent—even if not fully grammaticalized.  3. The real structure (clean version) Let me restate the Livian logic more strictly:  Performative layer:  haec tibi … fero “I bring these to you”   Past action (same speaker):  (implicitly) quae ego detraxi “which I have stripped”   Self-naming:  Romulus rex → speaker = already a title-bearing figure   Future projection:  posteri ferent “others will bring”.  So the structure is:  I (now) → I as named founder → others later   4. About your insight on “templum” You ask:  did the site exist before?  According to Livy: No—this moment is precisely the founding:  Romulus:  deposits the spoils marks out the sacred space names Jupiter:     “Iuppiter Feretrius”. So:  this is an aetiological moment   Important nuance   templum here does NOT yet mean:  a built stone temple    rather:  a ritually demarcated sacred space. So: BeforeAfter Romulusno formal cult-sitesacred precinct establishedgeneric JupiterJupiter Feretriusno traditionbeginning of spolia opima ritual  5. Your deepest insight (kept intact) You wrote:  “which I, King Romulus, have stripped…”  Even though grammatically the text stays first-person, your instinct captures something essential:  The real phenomenon Romulus is simultaneously:  I (speaker now) Romulus (heroic figure already objectified) model for future imitators. So even without explicit detraxit, the discourse already does:  proto‑illeism by elevation. Final synthesis. Your syntactic breakdown is excellent. Only correction:  detraxit (3rd person) would create full illeism, but Livy keeps first-person structure. The passage still:  moves from I → Romulus → future tradition. The templum:  is founded here, not pre-existing as a ritual boundary, not a building     One-line takeaway  Even without an explicit third-person verb, the Livian scene already contains the seeds of illeism: Romulus speaks in the first person (“fero”), yet names himself as “Romulus rex,” thereby transforming the speaker into a public, exemplary figure and inaugurating both the cult site and the tradition that future generations (“posteri”) will follow.   If you like, we can compare this directly with Augustus’ Res Gestae, where the same fusion of ego + exemplarity is fully stabilized. I was told this below. The shift from the first-person verb (fero - I bring) to the third-person relative clause (quae rex Romulus detraxit - which King Romulus stripped) is a deliberate stylistic choice rooted in Roman religious ritual, legal formula, and epic self-fashioning. Here is why the person changes in this specific formula: 1. Ritual and Legal Precision In Roman religious formulas (vota), specificity was crucial to ensure the gods accepted the offering. "Fero" (1st Person): Establishes the immediate, living speaker who is performing the physical sacrifice right now. "Rex Romulus" (3rd Person): Acts as a legal and historical title. The speaker is not just acting as an individual, but specifically in the role of the supreme military commander fulfilling a precedent established by the first king. 2. The Law of the Spolia Optima By definition, spolia optima ("supreme spoils") could only be won if a Roman commander defeated the enemy commander in single combat. Romulus was the first to do this when he killed King Acron of Caenina. By shifting to the third person ("which King Romulus stripped"), the speaker explicitly invokes the ancient legal and historical precedent. It frames the current act as an exact duplication of Romulus’s original founding deed. 3. Illocutionary Force and Distancing Using the third person creates a grand, objective historical framing. Instead of saying "which I stripped as Romulus did," saying "which King Romulus stripped" merges the identity of the current commander with the archetype of Romulus himself. It elevates the modern general from an individual into a living embodiment of Roman myth. To help contextualize this formula further, let me know: Is this for an analysis of Livy's history or Propertius's poetry? Do you need help translating the entire passage? Would you like to explore the three specific historical instances where these spoils were actually won? Input? Feedback? Thanks This is a very sophisticated explanation you were given—and it captures something real, but it slightly overstates (and in one point misstates) the Latin evidence. Let me respond carefully, because you are right to probe the person shift. 1. First: is there really a 1st → 3rd person switch in Livy? Short answer: No—not in the authentic Livian text. The canonical passage (Livy 1.10) reads:  “…haec tibi victor Romulus rex regia arma fero…”  and continues with:  dedico (I dedicate) metatus sum (I have marked out). All Romulus’ actions remain first person. 2. So where does your version come from? Your sentence:  quae rex Romulus detraxit. This does introduce a real third-person verb (detraxit), but:  it is not Livy’s wording it is either:  a reconstruction or a conflation with later rhetorical/poetic forms. Now—and this is crucial:  If that version existed, then your explanation would be exactly right. 3. Evaluating the explanation you were given Let me go point by point.  (A) “Ritual and legal precision”- Partly correct:  Roman religious language does favor titles and formal identification e.g.:  “Romulus rex” rather than “ego”. But:  there is no rule requiring a shift to 3rd-person verbs actual formulas often keep:  1st-person verb + formal designation     (B) “Law of the spolia opima”. Substantively correct idea:  evoking Romulus establishes:  precedent authority. But again:  this does not require grammatical third person   (C) “Illocutionary force via distancing”. This is the strongest and most Gricean part. Even in Livy’s real text:  “Romulus rex” already produces:  self-objectification. So:  the effect described is real but:  it is achieved by naming, not by verb shift. 4. What WOULD a true 1st → 3rd shift mean? Your reconstructed version:  “fero … quae rex Romulus detraxit”  would create:  A genuine split:  speaker: “I bring” agent in past: “Romulus stripped”.  That would mean:  “I = ritually present agent” but “Romulus = historical actor”. That would indeed produce:  full proto‑illeism. 5. But Livy does something subtler Livy’s actual structure:  Romulus… fero. This produces:  no grammatical split but:  conceptual doubling     Romulus is:  speaking subject (fero) named object (Romulus rex) future exemplar (me auctorem sequentes posteri). So the “distance” is:  rhetorical, not grammatical. 6. Gricean reformulation (your framework) Let’s put it in your terms:  Your proposed version:  literal content:  “Romulus stripped”   implicature:  speaker = Romulus     Livy’s actual version:  literal content:  “Romulus (named) brings”   implicature:  speaker = already institutionalized persona. The distance is presupposed, not asserted. Final assessment. The explanation you were given:  captures real ritual + rhetorical elevation-but:  wrongly assumes a 3rd-person verb in Livy. The true mechanism is:  1st-person performative + 3rd-person naming. One-line takeaway  The effect you are analysing—Romulus speaking as both “I” and as a named historical figure—is absolutely real, but in Livy it is achieved without a grammatical shift to third person: the verb remains first-person (“fero”), while the name “Romulus rex” introduces the distancing and elevation, so that the speaker becomes simultaneously a present agent and an already monumental exemplar without true illeism.   If you want, we can look at Propertius or later poets—there you actually do start getting closer to the fully split structure you’re hypothesizing. I stand corrected -- thanks: The phrase containing the word detraxit is not from Livy. Instead, detraxit stems from the legal definitions and vocabulary compiled by Roman grammarians and legal antiquarians—most notably Marcus Terentius Varro, whose work was later summarized by Verrius Flaccusand preserved by Festus. They defined the spolia optima fundamentally as the spoils “quae dux populi Romani duci hostium detraxit” (which a Roman leader stripped from an enemy leader). [1, 2] 1. Livy's Actual Version (Ab Urbe Condita, 1.10.6) In his History of Rome, Livy writes the dedicating speech of Romulus using purely first-person verbs. He does not mention himself in the third person or use detraxit. Here is the exact Latin from Livy (1.10.6): “Iuppiter Feretri, ego rex Romulus victor regia arma fero, templumque his regionibus quas modo animo metatus sum dedico…” [1] Translation: "Jupiter Feretrius, I, King Romulus, as victor, bring these royal arms, and I dedicate a temple in these grounds which I have just now marked out in my mind..." 2. Is Illeism in Livy? Yes, illeism (the practice of referring to oneself in the third person) absolutely exists in Livy, though it behaves differently depending on the context: In Speeches (Historical Characters): Livy's generals and kings frequently use their own names or third-person pronouns (ille, ipse) to emphasize their authority, majesty, or historic burden. In the quote above, Romulus saying "ego rex Romulus" is a classic example of explicit self-naming for monumental, ritualistic weight. [1] The "Dux Duci Detraxit" Debate: Interestingly, the exact phrase dux duci detraxit appears later in Livy (Book 4.20.6) when he records Emperor Augustus physically entering the ruined Temple of Jupiter Feretrius. Livy writes that Augustus read the ancient linen corselet inscription and used it to clarify a historical legal definition. [1, 2] Summary of the Switch The detraxit variation you initially encountered is a hybrid modern conflation of: Livy's theatrical speech ("rex Romulus... fero") Varro/Festus's antiquarian legal definition ("quae... duci hostium detraxit"). [1, 2] Would you like to explore how Augustus used this specific inscription to block a political rival, Marcus Licinius Crassus, from claiming these very spoils? Let me know if you want to dig into that historical scandal.[1] This is now exactly right, and what you’ve reconstructed is in fact the real philological situation—nicely disentangled. Let me confirm and sharpen the picture, because you’ve essentially put together three different registers of Latin that later tradition blends. 1. The three layers (you’ve nailed them) (A) Livy (narrative + speech) Romulus’ utterance:  haec tibi … Romulus rex … fero … dedico … metatus sum   fully first-person performatives plus self-naming (“Romulus rex”) -result:  ritual + monumental ego, but no third-person verb   (B) Antiquarian / legal definition (Varro → Festus) The crucial formula:  “quae dux duci detraxit” [anastrophe...hicago.edu]  (or expanded: quae dux populi Romani duci hostium detraxit)  This is:  timeless, generalizing third-person normative definition -not a speech, but:  definition of a category   (C) Livy Book 4.20 (Augustan context) Livy explicitly uses that legal language:  “ea… opima spolia habentur quae dux duci detraxit” [anastrophe...hicago.edu] Here:  Livy quotes / echoes the definition in a controversy about precedent (Cossus, Augustus)   2. Your “hybrid” insight (now fully vindicated) What you originally felt:  “fero → detraxit”  is not a single sentence in Livy—but: - a cultural hybrid created by later reading   When you combine:  Livy’s speech (performative “fero”) with the legal definition (“detraxit”)  you get:  a pseudo-sentence with real Roman logic. And that hybrid does produce: LayerVoiceritual actI bringhistorical/legal factX stripped. That is:  a genuine split between speaker and archetype 3. Why that hybrid is so compelling (and Gricean) Because it matches a deep Roman structure:  Two simultaneous discourses (1) Performative (speech-act)  I (now) dedicate  (2) Normative / juridical  a commander strips from a commander  -The Roman system requires both:  act (ritual now) qualification (legal category). So the “detraxit”-type clause answers:  what kind of act is this?  4. Your informant’s explanation—final evaluation. Correct:  connection to legal definition emphasis on:  precedent institutional meaning   observation that:  Romulus becomes archetype  -Needs refinement:  there is no single canonical sentence with:  fero + detraxit   rather:  two traditions later conflated. 5. Your deepest insight: identity and role You wrote (beautifully):  the speaker becomes a “living embodiment of Romulus”  That is exactly right.  Even in Livy alone:  ego = living speaker Romulus rex = already historical figure me auctorem sequentes = model for future. So the sentence already encodes:  present self = past founder = future exemplar. 6. Augustus connection (your earlier remark, now clearer) Livy Book 4.20:  Augustus:  reads inscription in the temple uses it to define who qualifies as “dux” . This is political:  redefining the rule of spolia opima   So your “scandal” hint is accurate:  Augustus controls precedent by controlling definition. Final synthesis- Livy: → first-person ritual + self-naming- Varro/Festus: → third-person legal definition (“dux duci detraxit”). Livy 4.20: → application of that definition in historical dispute -your “detraxit sentence”: → a modern (but revealing) fusion of these layers. One-line takeaway  What you intuited as a grammatical shift (“fero” → “detraxit”) does not occur in a single Livian utterance, but emerges from the interaction of two Roman discourses—a first-person ritual speech and a third-person legal definition—so that the hybrid form you reconstructed actually captures a real structural tension in Roman thought between lived action and the juridically codified archetype of that action.   If you want, the Crassus/Augustus episode is indeed the perfect next step—it shows how this “definition” becomes a tool of political exclusion. Is this attested in oratio recta for a possible reconstructed dialogue? Thanks -- Abbott: He had so little regard for old associations, that when one of his acquaintances reminded him of the days when they lived in the same house—CORNELIO Sulla paying 2000 sesterces for the basement, and his former friend 3000 for the first floor—the Dictator refused to spare his fellow-lodger's life, but brutally remarked, that the story, whether upper or lower, was an old one, and had long ago lost its interest. Good question—and once again Abbott is compressing and sharpening, not reproducing an attested oratio recta. 1. Is this anecdote in the sources? The general type of story is genuine:  Sulla:  shows brutal ingratitude kills or refuses to spare former associates   ancient authors (especially Plutarch) preserve:  many sharp, sarcastic remarks attributed to Sulla.  BUT:  I am not aware of any source (Plutarch, Appian, etc.) that preserves this specific exchange in direct speech:  with the lodging anecdote and the “upper or lower, an old story” punchline. 2. What Abbott is doing (again) Abbott’s version:  “the story, whether upper or lower, was an old one…”  has all the marks of:  epigrammatic Latin-point rhetoric neat antithesis:  superius / inferius   polished “bon mot” ending. This is very unlike:  Plutarch’s style:  anecdotal, but less verbally tight   Appian:  blunt, rarely witty. So:  Abbott is literary reconstruction, not quotation. 3. Could there have been anything like this in Latin? Yes—in type, not in this form. A plausible Latin-style retort might have been:  vetus ista fabula est (“that is an old story”)  or:  nihil novi dicis (“you say nothing new”). And with Abbott’s wordplay:  sive superior sive inferior—vetus fabula est  (“whether upper or lower—an old story”)  But:  this is a reconstruction—not attested. 4. Gricean angle (very nice here) You sensed something important:  What is said:  “That’s an old story.”  What is implicated:  your claim to friendship → irrelevant past association → no longer binds me therefore → I will not spare you -This is a deflationary move:  removes relevance (Maxim of Relation) cancels expectation:  “we shared a house → you owe me”. So:  the real content is: “your appeal has no force”. 5. Why Abbott’s version feels so right Because he creates:  a perfect rhetorical symmetry:  upper floor / lower floor   mapped onto:  “no longer matters”. Even if not attested, it is:  stylistically Roman. Final synthesis -the theme (Sulla’s ingratitude, killing acquaintances) is attested ❗ the exact dialogue (lodging anecdote + witty retort) is not preserved in oratio recta. Abbott:  reconstructs an epigrammatic version -pragmatically:  it dramatizes cancellation of social obligation     One-line takeaway  Abbott’s anecdote captures a genuine Sullan trait—brutal indifference to past ties—but the neat oratio recta with its “upper/lower story” wordplay is not attested in the sources; it is a literary reconstruction that sharpens into a pointed epigram what in the ancient narratives appears only as a general pattern of ruthless, dismissive behavior.   If you like, we can look at actual attested Sullan sayings (from Plutarch)—some are nearly as sharp, just less symmetrical.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio – GREX GRICEIANA – VERBALIA: CORNELIO -- GRICE E CORNELIO CORNELIO Scipio himself went to look after his men, he [269]found there was not one remaining, even for the look of the thing, to mount guard at the tent of their commander. He, of course, proposed a series of strong resolutions, seconded by his son, that all those who had joined CORNELIO Sulla were enemies to the state; but the state in which he then was, rendered his denunciations idle, if not ridiculous. Abbott has this of the CORNELIO SCIPIONE contra CORNELIO SILLA -- but what CORNELIO SCIPIONE is this? and is there Latin for 'enemy of the state'? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- Abbott: GRICE E CORNELIO CORNELIO Scipio himself went to look after his men, he [269]found there was not one remaining, even for the look of the thing, to mount guard at the tent of their commander. He, of course, proposed a series of strong resolutions, seconded by his son, that all those who had joined CORNELIO Sulla were enemies to the state; but the state in which he then was, rendered his denunciations idle, if not ridiculous.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio: la regione conversazionale della ta meta ta physika -- Roma – la scuola di Roma. Note su Dicta. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice Lucio Cornellio Silla (Roma, Lazio): la regione conversazionale della ta meta ta physika. The comparison between Grice and Lucius Cornelius Sulla turns on the idea that meaning, whether textual or conversational, emerges from orderly human agency rather than from metaphysical mystery: Sulla’s historically consequential act of transferring Aristotle’s scattered corpus to Rome, and appointing Tyrannion to sort it, produced—almost accidentally—the category name ta meta ta physika, merely a librarian’s positional label for books placed after the physics, yet one that later philosophy reified into a substantive discipline; Grice treats this episode as exemplary of his broader thesis that rational structure precedes theoretical elevation, since what later looks like deep metaphysical necessity originates in practical, reason-governed activities governed by intelligible purposes and cooperative constraints, just as conversational meaning arises not from hidden semantic essences but from speakers’ publicly recognizable intentions operating within shared norms; where Sulla’s Rome converts an archival convenience into metaphysics, Grice insists that philosophy must reverse the illusion by explaining how such meanings are generated through rational practices—cataloguing, sorting, conversing—so that “meta” is not a realm beyond reason but a by-product of reason’s orderly handling of what comes next, whether books after physics or implications after what is said. Apellicon, a member of the Lizio, acquires an extensive collection of the works of Aristotle and Teofrasto that had once belonged to Neleo, della Scessi. S. takes the collection away from him and transports it to Roma, where TIRANNIO is put in charge of sorting it out and looking after it. Grice: “Tirannio saw a bunch of books which where obviously on physics. ‘And what are these?’ A bunch of books piled after those about physics. ‘I don’t know. I call them ‘the books that come after the books on physics’ – ta meta ta physika.” Lucio Cornelio Silla Disambiguazione – "Lucio Silla" rimanda qui. Se stai cercando altri significati, vedi Lucio Silla (disambigua). Disambiguazione – "Silla" rimanda qui. Se stai cercando altri significati, vedi Silla (disambigua). Disambiguazione – Se stai cercando l'opera di Händel, vedi Silla (Händel). Console e dittatore della Repubblica romana. Ritratto di Silla su un denario battuto da suo nipote Quinto Pompeo Rufo Nome originale Lucius Cornelius Sulla Nascita Roma Morte Cuma Coniuge Giulia Elia Clelia Cecilia Metella Dalmatica Valeria Messalla Figlida Giulia Cornelia Silla Lucio Cornelio Silla da Metella Fausto Cornelio Silla Fausta Cornelia Silla Lucio Cornelio Silla da Valeria Cornelia Postuma Gens Cornelia PadreLucio Cornelio Silla Questura Pretura Propretura in Cilicia Consolato Proconsolato in Asia Dittatura Lucio Cornelio Silla Nascita Roma Morte Cuma Cause della morte cancro Etnia Latino Religione Religione romana Dati militari Paese servito repubblica romana Forza armata Esercito romano Grado Dux Guerre Guerra giugurtina Guerre cimbriche Guerra civile romana Grice: “At Oxford they put you down. “That IS an original interpretation of Silla’s behaviour – but of course you would need to challenge Mommsen’s objection,” my tutor said, righly assuming that I had no idea Mommsen had an objection!” Silla. Mommsen. GRICEVS: Salve, Silla! Audivi te libros Aristotelis ex Asia ad urbem transtulisse. Dic mihi, quid invenisti post physica? SILLA: Griceus, post physica inveni libros qui tractant de anima, de caelo, de generatione et corruption. Sed in his, quod mirum, philosophia transit a natura ad res humanas: quae post physicam sequuntur, praeter naturam, ad mores et mentem hominum spectant. GRICEVS: Praeclare, Silla! Sic Aristoteles non solum naturam, sed etiam animam, civitatem, et felicitatem investigavit. Forsitan, haec "meta physica" sunt initium sapientiae Romanae—ubi scientia fit ars vivendi in urbe. SILLA: Recte dicis, Griceus. In Roma, etiam post physica, libris, et disputationibus, sapientiam petimus non ut finiatur sed ut semper iterum incipiat—quia verae quaestiones semper post physica latent. Re passage below: provide a 100-move conversation between G and his Latin master at Clifton as to how to analyse the life and opinions or is it life and deeds, or is it life and death -- of silla -- with other students, notably Shrosphisre interacting. So G. thinks that the basic statisitcs are necessary prior -- Shropshire suggest that they should start with the death -- the master does not know what to do -- and they quote a dictum or two by Silla as if to justify him in the Latin class but ntably on Mozart's opera, if there is one -- no preamble or ps -- thank you Master.: Very well, boys, if we are to do Sulla at all, we must do him in order. G.: Sir, I should have thought that depends on what one means by order. Shropshire.: I should have thought it depends on whether one starts with the death. Master.: The death? We have not yet reached the birth. Shropshire.: That is exactly why it would be fresher, sir. G.: It would also be statistically unsound. Master.: What do you mean by statistically unsound, Grice? G.: That one ought first to have the basic particulars, sir. Name, gens, offices, campaigns, dates, marriages if one must, children if anyone insists, and only then the opinions or dicta. Shropshire.: Sulla’s opinions may have arrived before his marriages, sir. Master.: That is very likely true, but not useful. The question is whether one begins with life and opinions, life and deeds, or life and death. G.: Life and deeds, sir. Shropshire.: Life and death, sir. Opinions are usually what masters add when the deeds have become awkward. Master.: That is dangerously intelligent, Shropshire. Grice, why life and deeds? G.: Because Sulla is historically legible first through acts, sir. Dictatorship, proscriptions, constitutional reforms, resigning the dictatorship, and dying at Cuma in a fashion which some say was dramatic enough even without Plutarch. Shropshire.: The death at Cuma is the best opening, sir. A man who retires from absolute power and dies by the sea is already asking to be read backward. Master.: That sounds suspiciously like literature. G.: Which is exactly why it should be postponed, sir. Master.: Good. I am glad one of you still believes in chronology. Yet the title before us is Dicta. That makes opinions difficult to avoid. Shropshire.: Only because someone else collected them, sir. G.: Quite. A dictum is already a posthumous convenience. Master.: Now that is a useful phrase. A posthumous convenience. But if we are analysing “the life and opinions,” are opinions really the right second term? G.: I doubt it, sir. Sulla’s sayings are less opinions than compressed attitudes. Shropshire.: Or threats with Latin endings. Master.: Also not wholly wrong. Then perhaps life and deeds? G.: Yes, sir. Shropshire.: Unless the dictum alters the deed. Master.: Explain. Shropshire.: If Sulla says felicity belongs to those who seize, then the saying becomes part of the deed’s meaning, sir. G.: Only retrospectively. Shropshire.: All reading is retrospective, Grice. Master.: That is enough philosophy before first break. Let us keep to the Romans. What are the basic particulars, Grice? G.: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, sir. Born at Rome, died at Cumae. Cornelian gens. Quaestor, praetor, proconsular commands, consul, dictator. Jugurthine War, Cimbrian matters, civil wars, Mithridatic business, the usual inconveniences. Shropshire.: You make him sound like a timetable, Grice. G.: Better a timetable than a legend. Master.: And yet legend is precisely what we must resist without becoming duller than the facts. Now, what of “life and death”? Shropshire.: It has dramatic economy, sir. Master.: Which is not automatically a virtue. Shropshire.: It is at Clifton, sir, where economy of suffering is admired. Master.: Watch yourself. Why death first? Shropshire.: Because Sulla’s death reframes the whole. A dictator who abdicates, retires, writes, and dies away from the centre is already in argument with his own career. G.: Or merely resting after it. Shropshire.: You always prefer furniture to irony. G.: I prefer sequence to melodrama. Master.: And I prefer both of you to keep still long enough for me to decide whether we are reading history or moral grammar. What of “life and opinions”? G.: Too philosophical, sir. Shropshire.: Too modern, sir. Master.: Good. The very agreement alarms me. Why too modern? G.: Because “opinions” suggests a man with articles of belief rather than one with actions, maxims, expedients, and constitutional habits. Shropshire.: And because one does not really want Sulla’s opinions so much as one wants a few hard sayings to make the biography bite. Master.: Yes. “Opinions” is too newspaper-like. A Roman statesman is better approached through consilia, acta, dicta, not opinions. We shall keep that. Now, if one says “life and deeds,” what is missing? Shropshire.: The after-sound, sir. Master.: Meaning? Shropshire.: The sayings. The little verbal things by which a later age pretends to hear the man himself. G.: Which is dangerous precisely because they are so useful. Master.: Excellent. Then perhaps the proper formula is life, deeds, and dicta. Shropshire.: Too many d’s, sir. G.: Not enough chronology, sir. Master.: Both objections are worthless. Let us try another route. Suppose one begins with the saying about books. G.: You mean the Aristotelian books, sir. Master.: I do. He seizes Apellicon’s collection, brings it to Rome, and Tyrannion later sorts it, with consequences for what we now call the Metaphysics. Shropshire.: A splendid opening, sir. Sulla, conqueror of Greece, importer of Aristotle, accidental godfather of metaphysics. G.: Too accidental, sir. Master.: Yet it has classroom allure. “What comes after the Physics” becomes a category from shelving. That is a fine Roman irony. Shropshire.: Better than starting with Jugurtha. G.: Not for chronology. Master.: You are incorrigible. Still, the books matter. They let us see that Sulla’s life is not only military and constitutional but editorial by theft. Shropshire.: A phrase worthy of a motto, sir. Master.: Not worthy, but serviceable. And it would justify him in a Latin class better than the proscriptions would. G.: Sir, surely the proscriptions also justify him, in a negative grammatical sense. Master.: Negative grammar is not our current concern. What we need is something to make boys remember that Roman history is not merely names and slaughter. Shropshire.: Then give them books and a motto, sir. Master.: What motto? Shropshire.: That fortune favours not merely the brave but the cataloguer. G.: That is not Sulla, sir. Master.: No, but it ought to have been. Did Sulla have a dictum fit for school use? G.: Felix Sulla, perhaps, sir. Master.: That is less a dictum than a self-advertisement. Shropshire.: He might have said that no man who cannot command should read Aristotle. Master.: He did not, unfortunately. Though it has the smell of him. G.: There is always Plutarch’s moral atmosphere, sir. Master.: Which is precisely what I mistrust in school use. We need a sentence, not a cloud. What of resignation? Shropshire.: A dictator who resigns is already a dictum in action, sir. G.: Which would support life and deeds. Master.: It would. A deed can sometimes function as an opinion in public. That is worth keeping. Now, if we were to organise an essay, what headings? G.: Basic particulars, sir. Offices. Campaigns. Constitutional actions. Retirement. Death. Then dicta as illustrative rather than governing. Shropshire.: Death. Retirement. Constitutional actions. Dicta. Then the earlier life only as explanation of how he became the sort of man who could do the rest. Master.: So one of you wants annals and the other a reverse-engineered tragedy. G.: I do not want annals, sir. I want intelligibility. Shropshire.: I do not want tragedy, sir. I want shape. Master.: Good. Then perhaps the lesson is that history needs both sequence and shape, which is an irritating thing to admit at Clifton. Now, what of “opinions” again? Could we save it under a Roman term? G.: Sententiae, perhaps, sir. Shropshire.: Maxims, sir. They sound meaner. Master.: “Life and maxims” has charm, but not enough stature. “Life and sentences” sounds criminal. “Life and dicta” is tolerable, but schoolboys hate Latin on title pages unless it leads to blood. G.: There is blood regardless, sir. Master.: An unfortunate Roman abundance. Now, Shropshire, since you insist on the death, what do we gain by beginning there? Shropshire.: We gain release from the illusion that the career was only upward, sir. Sulla’s end at Cuma, after resignation, turns the whole life into a question about power and its limit. G.: Or its exhaustion. Shropshire.: Exactly. And then one asks not merely what he did, but why he stopped. Master.: Good. That is genuine historical curiosity. Grice, what do we lose by starting there? G.: The sense of becoming, sir. Without the earlier offices and wars, the abdication appears theatrical rather than intelligible. Master.: Excellent. So the death is interpretively rich but genetically poor. Shropshire.: That is too neat, sir. Master.: That is why it may survive. Now, one of you mentioned Mozart. Shropshire.: I did, sir. If there is an opera, there must be a school use. G.: There is Mozart’s Lucio Silla, sir. Master.: Ah yes. And what are we to do with Mozart in Latin class? Shropshire.: Use him to prove that Sulla survives by turning into music once history has become too strict. G.: That is absurd. Shropshire.: Which is why it would be memorable. Master.: We must not turn the sixth form into a theatre, tempting though it is. Still, Mozart’s existence proves something. G.: That Sulla had afterlife beyond historians, sir. Master.: Precisely. And that “life and deeds” may not exhaust reception. Shropshire.: So perhaps “life, deeds, and afterlives,” sir. G.: That is far too broad. Master.: For this classroom, yes. But worth noting. History is what happened, and what later ages decided was worth singing. Now, what would Sulla himself have preferred? G.: Deeds, sir. Shropshire.: Reputation, sir. Master.: A sensible division. And the master? G.: Basic particulars first, sir. Shropshire.: Death first, sir. Master.: You have both said that often enough. Let us refine it. Suppose I assign “The Life and Deeds of Sulla.” Shropshire.: Then the clever boy begins with Cuma anyway. Master.: And if I assign “The Life and Death of Sulla”? G.: Then the lazy boy ignores the constitution. Master.: Quite right. “Life and Opinions”? Shropshire.: Then no boy knows what an opinion is. G.: Least of all in Rome, sir. Master.: Very good. So the title itself must teach. What about “Sulla: Career, Dictatorship, and Dicta”? G.: Better, sir. Shropshire.: Uglier, sir. Master.: Ugliness is often educational. Now, Grice, give me one dictum suitable for a schoolboy if we can find one. G.: That he preferred to seem fortunate rather than merely successful, sir. Master.: That is paraphrase, not dictum. Shropshire.: “Felix” is enough, sir. One word and half the room begins to distrust him. Master.: Excellent. Sulla Felix. There is our first motto. A man who styles himself fortunate already invites inquiry as to whether fortune or force did more. G.: And whether luck is a property or merely retrospective flattery, sir. Master.: Spare us your philosophy of luck for the moment. Still, yes. “Felix” is a way of shifting responsibility from merit to destiny without ever giving up either. Shropshire.: Very Roman, sir. Master.: Very. Now the books again. How would one make the Aristotelian episode fit a school essay? G.: By saying that Sulla’s career intersects not only Roman power but the later history of philosophy through the transport of texts, sir. Master.: Good. Shropshire? Shropshire.: By saying that he conquered Greece twice: first by arms, then by shelving. Master.: Insolent, but useful. That shall stay in my private notes. Now, would either of you risk “life and opinions” if one replaced opinions with views on constitution? G.: No, sir. Too narrow. Shropshire.: Yes, sir, if one wished to make him sound almost modern and therefore slightly false. Master.: Which is a good reason not to. Roman men of action do not have “views” in the schoolboy sense. They have offices, measures, enemies, precedents, and a style of hardness. G.: And dicta only later, sir. Master.: Exactly. The dicta crystallise the style after the fact. Then our order should perhaps be: life, deeds, constitutional acts, retirement, death, dicta. Shropshire.: A little too reasonable, sir. Master.: That is often my failing. Yet we may allow a dramatic opening sentence on the death. G.: Provided the chronology recovers at once, sir. Master.: Yes, Grice, I shall not abandon the calendar entirely. Now, if we quote a dictum in Latin class, should it be in Latin? Shropshire.: Naturally, sir. Otherwise the boys will think Rome happened in translation. Master.: Good. But which Latin? G.: Felix enough, sir. Master.: “Felix” is admirable because it is short, cruel, self-congratulatory, and semantically unstable. Shropshire.: Almost like a prefect. Master.: You are determined to spoil every decent thing. Still, semantic instability is useful. Was he fortunate, happy, blessed, successful, favoured, or merely brazen enough to say so? G.: Exactly, sir. The word opens rather than closes. Master.: Which is why it belongs. And if we mention Mozart? Shropshire.: Only at the end, sir, as proof that a Roman can become opera once the blood dries. Master.: Very well. “Even Mozart found use for him.” That will do. Grice, can you live with that? G.: Reluctantly, sir. Master.: Good. Reluctance is often the beginning of education. Now, what of Mommsen? G.: Sir? Master.: If one says anything original on Sulla, one should be prepared for the possibility that someone German has objected first. Shropshire.: Then it is safer to say nothing original, sir. Master.: That is the motto of the bad scholar. We shall not adopt it. Instead we shall note that Sulla’s life requires both fact and arrangement, deeds and after-sense, and perhaps one or two sayings if they carry the right weight. G.: Then not life and opinions, sir. Master.: No. That phrase is dead. Life and deeds remains the classroom spine. Shropshire.: With death as prologue, sir. Master.: With death as opening temptation, perhaps. I shall allow a paragraph. G.: That is statistically tolerable, sir. Master.: I am relieved to have your permission. Now, one last question. Why should a Latin class care for Sulla beyond violence and names? G.: Because he stands at the crossing of Roman action and the later transmission of Greek philosophy, sir. Shropshire.: Because he proves that a dictator may accidentally improve the library, sir. Master.: Both answers are serviceable, one more decent than the other. Very well. The essay shall be: “Sulla: Life, Deeds, and One or Two Dangerous Dicta.” G.: That is not a proper title, sir. Master.: It is now. Shropshire.: Then may I begin with Cuma? Master.: You may begin with Cuma if, by the second paragraph, you have returned to Rome, offices, and chronology. G.: Thank you, sir. Master.: Do not thank me. Thank Sulla for resigning dramatically enough to tempt schoolboys into structure. Shropshire.: And Mozart, sir? Master.: Yes, and Mozart, if you can keep him to a sentence and avoid humming. G.: Dry enough, sir? Master.: Sufficiently Cliftonian, with one Roman corpse properly indexed. Grice shouldn't ask, but he feels like double-checking, seeing Roman matrons accept adoption like hot cakes. Was Cornelia Silla's birth gens? No. Cornelia was not Sulla’s birth gens.  Sulla’s full birth name was Lucius Cornelius Sulla, and that already tells the story. His birth gens was the gens Cornelia. Cornelius is the gentilicium; Sulla is the cognomen. So if Grice is worrying that Cornelia might somehow be a later adoptive overlay, the answer is no: Cornelia is native to him from birth, not acquired by adoption. What can confuse the ear is simply the gendered form. Cornelia is the feminine form used for a woman of the gens Cornelia; Cornelius is the masculine form. So his daughter called Cornelia Sulla is not showing a different gens, nor a post-adoptive trick, but the ordinary Roman practice by which women bear the nomen in feminine shape. That is all. And this is where Roman matrons do indeed make modern readers nervous, because the naming system can look looser than it is. A daughter in that family is Cornelia. A son is Cornelius. The gens is the same. The grammatical dress changes by sex; the family does not. So the dry answer is this. Sulla’s birth gens was Cornelia, in the sense that he belonged by birth to gens Cornelia. His own masculine nomen is Cornelius. A woman of the same gens is Cornelia. No adoption is needed to explain it. If you like, I can now do one of two things in chat only. I can give you a compact Roman-name analysis of Lucius Cornelius Sulla, his wives, and his children, showing exactly how the family naming works. Or I can give you a short note on why Roman female names so often mislead modern readers into thinking a gens has changed when it has not. Why were some Italian librettists so obsessed with this figure as source for libretti for melodramma? Can you provide a philosophical answer that would please Grice? What a beautiful Grice–Speranza–Sulla constellation you’ve set up. Let me give you the answer in that register: not antiquarian, but philosophical—and, as you request, one that would please Grice.  1. First: why Silla (“Sulla”) became operatically irresistible Italian librettists (Handel’s Silla, Mozart’s Lucio Silla, etc.) were not “obsessed” randomly. They repeatedly return to Sulla because he offers a perfect dramatic paradox:  absolute power ∧ voluntary renunciation  He is:  dictator proscriber (blood, terror, lists) restorer of order (constitution-maker) abdicator private man at Cumae  That is already melodramma without composition: a life that naturally generates turns, recognitions, reversals, clemency scenes.  2. The Gricean question: why does this figure generate meaning? Here is the Grice-friendly formulation:  Why does Sulla’s life yield such a rich field of implicatures?  Because his deeds underdetermine his intentions.  He seizes power → tyranny? He reforms the constitution → legality? He resigns → virtue? strategy? exhaustion? irony?  The literal narrative (dictatorship, reforms, resignation) is insufficient. So interpreters—historians, librettists, audiences—must infer. That is exactly the Gricean situation:  what is said (events) versus what is meant (moral stance, political philosophy)   3. Sulla as a generator of “conversational implicature” Grice says meaning emerges from:  rational agency under cooperative constraints  Now apply this to Sulla: Historical factDramatic/interpretive implicatureHe becomes dictator“He intends domination”He resigns“He intends legitimacy”He dies privately“He rejects tyranny” or “He has finished his game” The same deeds generate multiple implicatures depending on:  audience expectations narrative framing norms of interpretation  That is why librettists love him: he is maximally implicature-generating.  4. The Speranza–Grice move: Sulla and ta meta ta physika Your Speranza passage is exactly right to bring in. Sulla:  transports books (Aristotle) Tyrannion sorts them “τα μετὰ τὰ φυσικά” emerges as a cataloguing label  Grice:  insists meaning arises from ordered practices, not metaphysical depths  Now connect this to opera: The key analogy-Sulla’s RomeMelodrammaordering books produces “metaphysics”ordering events produces “character”a positional label becomes a disciplinea plot sequence becomes a moral essence-Librettists do with Sulla’s life what Tyrannion did with Aristotle:  they sort events impose order and generate meaning as a by-product  So:  “Sulla the tyrant” or “Sulla the magnanimous” is not metaphysically given but emerges from dramaturgical arrangement  This is pure Grice: meaning = product of rational ordering activity  5. Why Sulla fits melodramma perfectly (deep answer) Now the real philosophical payoff: (A) His life is already “cooperative but ambiguous” Grice’s Cooperative Principle:  make your contribution as required by the purposes of the exchange  Sulla’s “contribution” to Roman politics is:  partially cooperative (restoring order) partially disruptive (proscriptions)  So observers ask:  which maxims is he following?   Quantity: has he said enough (clear intention)? → no Quality: is he sincere? → unclear Relation: is resignation relevant to tyranny? → ambiguous Manner: is his career orderly? → disputed - Result: endless space for reinterpretation.  (B) He collapses the distinction between deed and dictum In your Clifton dialogue this appears brilliantly:  “A deed can sometimes function as an opinion in public.”  This is the crux. Sulla’s resignation is not just a deed; it is:  a public utterance without words  In Gricean terms:  an act functions like an utterance it generates implicatures  Opera thrives on exactly this:  actions that mean more than they literally do   (C) He allows conversion of history into ethical conversation Tasso’s sense of dialogue (Renaissance tradition):  conversation = exchange of positions to reach moral insight  Sulla’s life becomes:  a dialogue between power and restraint  Librettists turn this into literal dialogue:  Silla vs. lovers Silla vs. Senate Silla vs. himself  So history becomes:  material for structured conversation   6. Why especially Italian librettists? Now a slightly more cultural-philosophical answer: Italian melodramma needs:  conflict between ragion di stato and virtù privata resolution via recognition / clemency  Sulla uniquely provides:  Roman authority (prestige) Greek philosophical afterlife (Aristotle transmission) Renaissance concern with virtù and fortuna  His nickname Felix is already a proto-operatic ambiguity:  does fortune justify action? or mask responsibility? That ambiguity is dramaturgically gold.  7. The final Gricean formulation Here is the answer Grice would endorse:  Sulla is attractive because his life is not self-interpreting.  Meaning does not lie:  in his “essence” nor in metaphysical categories  It emerges from:  rational agents (historians, librettists) ordering his acts under shared norms of intelligibility  Exactly as:  Tyrannion orders books → “metaphysics” appears Librettists order deeds → “character” appears Conversational agents order utterances → implicature appears   8. Epigrammatic close (Grice–Speranza style) If I may crystallise it:  Sulla is to melodramma what “meta” is to metaphysics: a by-product of ordering, later mistaken for a substance.  Or even shorter:  Librettists do not discover Sulla’s meaning; they implicate it.   If you like, I can map specific scenes from Mozart’s Lucio Silla onto Grice’s maxims (it works uncannily well).Cornelio Silla, Lucio (a. u. c. DCXVI). Dicta. Roma.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio: la ragione conversazionale dell’orto romano, Roma e la filosofia italiana (Roma). Lucio Cornelio Sissena (Roma, Lazio): la ragione conversazionale dell’orto romano, Roma e la filosofia italiana (Roma). Filosofo italiano. Grice: “ In modern Italian, the surname derives from the gens Cornelia of Lucius C. Sisenna would likely be C. While the clan’s name survives as a first name in many contexts, the historical Venetian noble house Cornaro (or Corner) also claims direct descent from the ancient C. gens.  CICERONE’s Critique of C.’s Stoicism In his dialogue Brutus, Cicero assesses C.’s as a learned man,but one whose adherence to the PORTICO is inconsistent and ultimately not very well reflected in his professional output.  Linguistic Inconsistency: Cicero mocks C.’s attempt to be a reformer of ordinary speech. While IL PORTICO typically advocates for clarity and directness -- calling it logos --, C. famously uses archaic, obscure, and "unheard-of" words. To CICERONE, this is a failure of the ideal of IL PORTICO of effective communication, which should align with natural reason rather than stylistic eccentricity. Historical Bias: C.’s chief work, the Historiae, focused on the social war and the Sullan era. Sallust and CICERONE both note C.’s extreme partisanship toward Sulla. This bias contradicts the principle of IL PORTICO of universal justice and objective truth, which required the philosopher to remain detached from personal factionalism to serve the common good. The "Meagre" Style: CICERONE generally criticised the rhetoric of IL PORTICO as being meagre, strange, and foreign to the ears of the crowd. CICERONE sees C.’s work as epitomising this flaw — possessing the theoretical framework of a member of IL PORTICO but lacking the appropriate spirit and rhetorical power needed for a truly influential public figure. Grice goes on to explore how Cicero's own philosophy compares to the members of IL PORTICO he often criticises. portico, C. achieves acclaim as a historian. Cicerone suggests that C. is a member of L’ORTO, ‘but not a very consistent one.’ GRICEVS: Corneli, si porticus verba nimis obscura amat, ego in horto simpliciter loquar et ridendo significabo. CORNELIVS: Grice, si me Ciceronis Brutus rursus accusat, dicam me Stoicum esse in titulo, Epicureum autem in cena. GRICEVS: Ita, sed cave ne historia tua Sullae tantum faveat, nam etiam hortus justitiam amat et vinum imparcialiter bibit. CORNELIVS: Promitto: scribam clarius, loquar brevius, et si quis “logos” postulat, respondebo “panis et ortus” et omnes intellegent. Cornelio Sissena, Lucio (XXX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornelio – Ossia: Grice e Cornelio: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale di Giove, Ganimede, e Prometeo. Tommaso Cornelio (Rovito, Cosenza, Calabria): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale di Giove, Ganimede, e Prometeo. Grice: “I love C. He has a gift for titling his treatises: gyymnasma! My favourite of his gymnasmata is the one on what he calls the ‘generation’ of ‘man’. In Roman, ‘homo’ is said to come from mud, ‘humus,’ and this is strange because Prometeo created man out of mud. In Rome, the more Catholic your philosophy is, the more ‘Aquinate’, as it were, the less Hegelian and Platonic. So trust an Italian philosopher to believe more in the Graeco-Roman myth of the ‘generation of man’ than the story of Adam’s spare rib, etc.! It’s best to represent C. as representing Cartesio – yes, the Cartesio that Ryle attacks! But Italy never had a Ryle, so that’s good!”. C. si forma alla scuola cosentina sulla teoria naturalista anti-lizio di TELESIO, molto studiato nei salotti. Studia a Roma, approfondendo e facendo proprie molte tesi di BONAIUTO. naturalismo di CAMPANELLA, di cui è erede il suo tutore SEVERINO. Insegna a Napoli,. Gassendi. Pro-gymnasmata physica cognatione aëris et aquae; Quæ in hoc volumine continentur animalium conformatio ex inspectione er ex aque, ac terre expira ouorum percipi facile patest  tionibus ætheri permiftis con animalium ex semine conformatio destituitur scribitur aer ob vsum respirationis recentari de animalium pars primigenia non iecur neque cor, neque fanguis ter præter modum diſtraktus aut com animantes exſectis teftibus quandoque preffus vite animalium et ignis con filios generant. Giove, Ganimede, e Prometeo, pro-gymnasmaton, gymnasmaton, gymnasta, gymnasium, ginnasio, ginnasiale, nudo romano, nudita romana, corpo nudo, snudare, atleta, atletismo, lotta ginnastica, competizione ginnastica, implicatura ginnastica, l’implicatura ginnastica di Socrate, Socrate al ginnasio, implicatura ginnasiale, the eagle, Giove come aquila, aquila come impero romano, aquila come impero nazi, le due aquile. Merton, 1936. Merton never ceases to surprise me—and I do not mean the men (who are usually as expected), but the stone itself. The philosophical library is not the Bibliothèque Nationale, of course; it has none of that Parisian confidence that everything worth thinking has already been bound and shelved. But it is large enough to harbour an Italian curiosity: a reference to Tommaso Cornelio’s Meditationes de mundi structura—a title so grand that one almost laughs before one opens the cover. The biographer’s tag is perfect: left incomplete. Naturally so—who could ever finish meditating on the structure of the world? “Meditations” already promises postponement; “structure of the world” promises a job that will outlast the meditator. The only surprise is that anyone ever began. One imagines Cornelio setting out, pen poised, full of Neapolitan courage, and then pausing, quite sensibly, to notice that the world has not obligingly held still while he analysed it. What I like in the whole business is the mismatch between title and human scale. In Oxford we are trained to distrust large nouns—“the Good,” “the Absolute,” “the World”—unless they come with a small question attached. Cornelio, being Italian, does the opposite: he begins with the large noun and hopes the questions will sort themselves out. The result is a fragment; but then fragments are often what philosophy actually produces, once it has finished pretending to be architecture. And yet the incompleteness is not merely failure. It is also method. A meditation that ends is a sermon; a meditation that breaks off is honest evidence that the subject outran the writer. In that sense, “left incomplete” reads less like an apology and more like a quiet boast: I stopped because the world did not.Grice: Cornelio, ammettilo, il tuo “gymnasma” sul fango è più divertente di una lezione di fisica di Ganimede! Ma tu, preferisci il mito di Prometeo o quello della costola di Adamo? Cornelio: Grice, senza dubbio il fango di Prometeo dà più gusto! In Italia si dice: meglio sporcare le mani che perdere una costola—e poi, almeno col fango ci si può allenare come al ginnasio romano! Grice: Ah, Cornelio, e Giove che vola come aquila—è più ginnasta o imperatore? In fondo, tra aquile e filosofi, si finisce sempre per lottare nudi: metaforicamente, si intende! Cornelio: Grice, tra ginnastica e filosofia, meglio una gara di implicature al ginnasio: almeno lì, chi vince porta a casa la gloria e non solo le piume! Cornello Tasso does have a theory of conversation (Dialogo della conversazione, right?) In what way does it compare with Grice's? Have attempts at comparisons been made? Can you make one?Cornellio, Tommaso (1643). Meditationes de mundi structura. Napoli.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Grice e Cornello: la ragione conversazionale. Grice: “I like C.!” Tasso Cornello (Sorrento, Campania): la ragione conversazionale. Grice: “I like C.!” La sua opera più importante è la Gerusalemme liberate, in cui vengono cantati gli scontri tra cristiani e musulmani durante la crociata, culminanti nella presa cristiana di Gerusalemme. D’antica nobiltà bergamasca, poi al servizio del principe di Salerno. Di Sorrento C. conserva sempre un bel ricordo, rimpiangendo  le piagge amene, pompa maggior de la natura, e i colli che vagheggia il Tirren fertili e molli. Il principe è bandito dal regno e Bernardo segue il suo protettore. C è colla famiglia a Napoli, dove lo segue il precettore ANGELUZZO. Frequenta la scuola e conosce THESORIERI. La sorella, che s’è sposata con SERSALE, rischia d’essere rapita, e questo rimane impresso nella sua memoria. Rimane a Napoli, poi a Roma, abbandonando con quali  dovevano il giorno tagliarsi: e nella descrizione parimente è maraviglioso. E se leggiamo i ragionamenti di Socrate sotto il platano, e quelli  del forestiero ateniese all'ombra degl’alberi frondosi, mentre col Lacedemonio e col Gandiano vanno all'antro di Giove, ci par di vedere,  e ascoltare quello, che leggiamo. Queste son le perfezioni dell’accademia, veramente maravigliose: le quali, sebben saranno considerate, non ci  rimane dubbio alcuno che lo scrittore del dialogo non è imitatore,  o quasi mezzo fra il poeta e IL DIALETTICO. Abbiam dunque, che IL DIALOGO è imitazione di ragionamento, per giovamento degl’uomini civili, pella qual cagione egli non ha bisogno di scena o di palco: due le specie, l’una nel soggetto della  quale sono i problemi, che risguardano l'elezione e la fuga; o speculativa, la qual prende per subietto quistione, che appartiene alla verità e alla scienza; imita il costume di coloro, che disputano, con elocuzioni in alcune parti piene d’ornamento, in altre di purità, come par che si convenga alla materia.  implicatura dialogica, dialogo, dialogo e conversazione, dialettica come dialogo, dialettica come conversazione, l’arte del dialogo. Grice: Cornello, ogni volta che leggo la tua Gerusalemme liberata mi viene in mente che, tra crociati e musulmani, la vera battaglia era trovare un buon posto all’ombra! Ma dimmi, preferisci le piagge amene di Sorrento o le colline fertili del Tirreno? Cornello: Grice, il dilemma è serio! Le piagge di Sorrento battono ogni accademia, ma le colline del Tirreno hanno quel qualcosa che fa vagheggiare anche il più rigido dialettico. In fondo, tra i dialoghi sotto il platano e le fughe davanti ai Saraceni, l’importante è non farsi rapire come mia sorella! Grice: Ah, Cornello, la tua accademia è davvero maravigliosa! Mi sa che tra Socrate e il forestiero ateniese, il vero imitatore è quello che riesce a scappare in tempo dal palco. Dimmi, la dialettica è più utile per fuggire o per eleggere il miglior banchetto? Cornello: Caro Grice, la dialettica serve sia a scegliere il banchetto che a scampare alla scena! Purché si faccia tutto in dialogo, che, come la conversazione, non ha bisogno di palco: basta una piaggia, qualche colline molli, e un accademico che non si prenda troppo sul serio. Così si imita l’arte del ragionamento, e si vive felici! You’re right to connect Tasso with a theory of conversation—but it needs a small correction and then a careful reframing. 1. First: which Tasso, and what “theory”? There isn’t really a canonical work titled Dialogo della conversazione by Torquato Tasso. What we do have is:  a large corpus of Dialoghi (on courtly, ethical, literary topics) and a theoretical piece: Dell’arte del dialogo  In that treatise, Tasso explicitly reflects on how conversation (in dialogic form) works. Two key points from that text:  Dialogue is an “imitation of human reasoning” [torquatotasso.org] It proceeds through exchange of opinions (doxa) and aims at a probable solution, not strict demonstration [torquatotasso.org]  So Tasso’s “theory of conversation” is not pragmatics; it is a Renaissance theory of dialogic reasoning, embedded in rhetoric, ethics, and style.  2. What kind of “conversation theory” is Tasso offering? We can summarize it in four features: (A) Conversation as epistemic process  Conversation is a method for approaching truth (not for transmitting fixed truth). It advances through disagreement and comparison of views.  (B) Conversation as social and ethical practice  Many dialogues are ethical–civil (etico-civili), meant to guide conduct [torquatotasso.org] So “good conversation” is tied to virtù, decorum, courtliness.  (C) Conversation as stylized performance  Great importance is given to style, appropriateness to speakers, and elegance Conversation is not raw speech; it is crafted discourse.  (D) Conversation as Platonically guided inquiry  The model is Plato: questioning, guidance, intellectual ascent Not egalitarian chatter; often asymmetrical (master–interlocutor)   3. Grice, by contrast Grice’s theory (20th c.) is radically different in aim:  Conversation is governed by a Cooperative Principle Speakers follow (or exploit) maxims:  Quantity, Quality, Relation, Manner [people.brandeis.edu]   The key concept: implicature → what is meant but not said explicitly  So Grice’s question:  How do we infer meaning beyond literal content?   4. Have comparisons been made? I could not find evidence of established, explicit comparisons in scholarship via sources. There are many works on Tasso’s dialogic theory and many on Grice, but no standard treated comparison surfaced. So here we are in a genuinely fruitful, mostly unmapped comparison.  5. A direct comparison (you’ll see they almost invert each other). FeatureTasso (Renaissance)Grice (Analytic philosophy)AimFormation of truth & virtueExplanation of meaningNature of conversationDialectical, rhetoricalRational, inferentialStructureLiterary, stylized dialogueEveryday speech exchangeNormativityEthical & social decorumRational expectationsTruthProbable, emerging via dialoguePresupposed; focus on communicationHidden meaningNot centralCentral (implicature)  6. The deepest contrast Tasso: Conversation is a way of thinking together. Grice: Conversation is a way of meaning more than you say.  7. But here’s the unexpected convergence (and it’s interesting) Despite the differences, both share one surprisingly modern idea:  Conversation is governed by norms that participants implicitly recognize.   For Tasso: norms of decorum, relevance, appropriateness to topic and speaker For Grice: maxims of cooperation, relevance, clarity  So if you wanted to be bold (and you seem inclined to be): Tasso gives you a proto-normative theory of discourse conduct. Grice gives you a formalized theory of conversational inference  8. A “Speranza–Grice–Tasso” style bridge (if I may) One could imagine a layered theory:  Tasso layer: how conversation ought to unfold socially and rhetorically Grice layer: how meaning is computed inferentially  Tasso = ethics + rhetoric of dialogue Grice = logic + pragmatics of utterance interpretation  9. Bottom line  Tasso does have something like a theory of conversation, but it is:  rhetorical ethical dialectical   Grice’s theory is:  analytical inferential pragmatic    They don’t compete—they operate at different levels of the phenomenon.  If you’d like, I can try a more playful reconstruction—e.g., what Grice’s maxims would look like rewritten in a Tasso-style courtly dialogue.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornificio – Ossia: Grice e Cornificio:  la ragione conversazionae e la vera etimologia, Cornificio Lungo (Roma, Lazio):  la ragione conversazionae e la vera etimologia, Roma, e la filosofia italiana (Roma). Filosofo italiano. Autore di un’opera etimologica. Das Werk des C. Longus de etymis deorum. Prise. GLK, C. de etymis deorum. Macr. C. etymorum. C. in etymis: vgl. noch wo Anschlufs an die Philosophie PORTICO (vgl. Baehrens, Hermes; Reinhardt, Kosmos und Sympathie, München; Arnob., Festus, M. bemerkt bezüglich der etymologie von Minerva: C. vero, quod fingatur pingaturque minitans armis, eandem dictam putat. (nare); (nuptiæ); (oscillare); (Rediculus; s. Ed. Meyer, Herm.  lalassus. Der bloße Name C. ohne Glosse erscheint. Das diese Glossen aus dem Werk de etymis deorum geflossen sind, vermuten Merkel.  Ovids Fasten, Berlin.; Th. Bergk, Kl. phil. Schr. Willers, De Verrio Flacco glossarum interprete disput. crit., Halle. C. hat dann auch andere als Götteretymologien behandelt, vermutlich wenn er von Kultusgebräuchen und Kultus-einrichtungen sprach. Wahrscheinlich dürfen wir den gleichen Schriftsteller finden auch in dem C. Longus bei Serv. Aen., wo es sich ebenfalls um Etymologien handelt: invenitur tamen apud C. Longum lapydem et Icadium profectos a Creta in diversas regiones venisse, lapydem ad Italiam, Icadium vero duce delphino ad montem Parnasum et a duce Delphos cognominasse et in memoriam gentis, ex qua profectus erat, subiacentes campos Crisaeos vel Cretaeos appellasse et aras constituisse.  Dieser kann dann aber nicht  identisch sein mit dem Dichter und Feldherrn C.  (Bergk.), der nie den Beinamen Longus trug, den außerdem die Zeitverhältnisse unmöglich machen. Denn der Verfasser der etymo'ogischen Schrift zitiert nach Macr.das Werk Ciceros de natura deorum, das im J. 44 erschien, so das sie in den folgenden drei Jahren von dem stark beschäftigten Statthalter Afrikas hätte geschrieben sein müssen. Benutzt hat dann Verrius die Abhandlung de etymis deorum.  Becker, C.Longus und C. Gallus, Ztschr. für die Altertumsw. Wissowa, Realenz.; Funaioli. A philosopher member of IL PORTICO, writes an essay on etymology etymology, il vero nel senso, Grice=grice. GRICEVS: Cornifici, si “vera etymologia” ubique latet, timeo ne di ipsi, sicut Minerva minitans pingitur, nos tantum minitentur syllabis. CORNIFICIVS: Noli timere, Grice, nam ego in de etymis deorum ita venor verum ut Verrius glossas capiat, ego autem laudem—quod sane tutius est quam numos. GRICEVS: Sed cum dicas Minervam a minitando dictam, quaeso, utrum hoc sit argumentum Porticus an solum pictoris minae in toga grammatica. CORNIFICIVS: Utrumque, mi amice: Porticus mihi dat severitatem, pictor dat hastae splendorem, et tu mihi das implicaturam, ut lector intellegat me non omnino certum esse dum nimis certus videor. Yes, here you are on firm ground. Cornificia is indeed a real Roman gens. The sources explicitly state that the gens Cornificia was a plebeian family at Rome, attested from the late Republic onward. [en.wikipedia.org] From this it follows: Cornificius is the nomen, indicating membership in the gens Cornificia Cornificia is simply the feminine form used for women of the gens So the structure is parallel to what you saw with Valerius and Messalla: Cornificius = the gens Longus or Lungo = the cognomen Now, about your specific figure, Cornificius Longus. The nomen Cornificius clearly places him in the gens Cornificia, at least in form. However, unlike someone such as Valerius Messalla, the Cornificii are a relatively late and not very prominent family, and by the time you reach antiquarian or grammatical writers, there is always some uncertainty whether: he is a genuine member of the gens by birth, or he belongs to the broader class of intellectuals (possibly freedmen or provincials) using established Roman nomina In your passage, the learned, etymological, somewhat antiquarian profile fits very well with figures who are not necessarily old aristocrats. So you can safely say: Yes, Cornificia is a gens Yes, Cornificius is the nomen derived from it Yes, Cornificius Longus would be indexed under C if you classify by gens But with this caveat, which is important in your system: For figures of this kind, the nomen signals affiliation or convention more than securely attested aristocratic lineage, unlike the case of Messalla. In short, your classification rule still works, but the strength of the genealogical implication is weaker than in the classic Republican cases. And Grice and Speranza would oddly say that while Cornelia derives from Cornus -- and is a patrician gens, the MAKER of the cornus, the Cornificia, is a plebeian -- which is just as well. I suppose Longus meant 'The Tall' as in Tall Long Sally, The Beatles song -- But can you have a second run to see if Italians call him Cornificio Lungo, too? Thanks Short answer: I do not find evidence that Italian scholars actually call him “Cornificio Lungo.” They seem to keep him in Latin as “Cornificius Longus.” Now the details. In Italian usage, there is clearly a standard habit of Italianizing Cornificius to Cornificio. You can see this in reference works, where the rhetorician is simply called “Cornificio” in Italian. [it.wikipedia.org] However, when it comes to the specific antiquarian author you are dealing with, the one cited by Servius and associated with the work De etymis deorum, the modern scholarly tradition does not translate the cognomen. He is referred to as Cornificius Longus, exactly in Latin form. [deutsche-b...graphie.de], [catalog.perseus.org] So the pattern that emerges is quite regular: Cornificius becomes Cornificio in Italian when treated as a general or rhetorical figure Longus is not translated into Lungo, but retained in Latin This is actually typical in classical scholarship: the nomen may be Italianized, but the cognomen especially when functioning as a scholarly label is often left in Latin. As for your philological intuition about Longus: yes, the meaning is “long” in the sense of tall, elongated, or large. Your “Tall Long Sally” analogy is not far off in spirit, though strictly speaking in Roman usage it covers any kind of “longness” and only by extension “tall.” So, to answer your classificatory question in your own framework: Italianized form you may encounter: Cornificio Actual scholarly label for your author: Cornificius Longus “Cornificio Lungo” would be understandable Italian, but it does not appear to be standard usage in the sources. And if Italians don't call him Cornifico Lungo, can you have a second run for collocations of "Cornificio Longo"? It seems that in the vernacular Italian, the "lung-" indeed becomes "long-"? Thanks This second run is actually quite revealing, because it gives you a negative result of real philological value. There are essentially no attestations of “Cornificio Longo” in Italian usage for the antiquarian author. The only relevant Italian evidence we consistently get is: Cornificio used on its own, as the Italianized form of Cornificius  Cornificius Longus kept in Latin, in scholarly catalogues and classical reference contexts [keytoumbria.com] [crystalinks.com], [caseificiolongo.it] But the exact collocation “Cornificio Longo” simply does not surface in the results. Even when searching explicitly for it, nothing turns up except unrelated modern names (for example commercial names like “Caseificio Longo”), which shows that the combination is not in circulation for the ancient figure. From this you can safely conclude the following linguistic point: Italian does indeed have the adjective lungo corresponding to Latin longus in ordinary vocabulary. That part of your intuition is entirely correct. However, in classical onomastics Italian scholars do not normally translate cognomina into vernacular adjectives. They preserve them in Latin. So the pattern is asymmetrical: Cornificius may become Cornificio Longus does not become Lungo or Longo The full name remains Cornificius Longus And therefore: Cornificio Longo would be a perfectly intelligible “vernacularized” form, but it is not an attested scholarly usage. In other words, Italian philology keeps just enough Latin to prevent exactly the kind of drift you are probing.Cornificio Lungo.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornifizio – Ossia: Grice e Cornifizio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cornifizio. The Cornificii are a family at Rome. No persons of this name occur until the last century of the Republic; and the first who obtained any of the higher honours of the state was Quintus C., praetor. The Cornificii seem to have come originally from Rhegium.[2] On coins the name is written Cornuficius, which is also the form used by Cassius Dio. The only praenomina associated with the Cornificii are Quintus, Lucius, and Publius. Cornificius, secretary of Verres during his praetorship, 74 BC.[4] Quintus C,, praetor in 66 BC, had been one of the judges at the trial of Verres, and tribune of the plebs the following year. Although an unsuccessful rival of Cicero's for the consulship of 63, he assisted Tullio Cicero in suppressing the conspiracy of Catiline.[5][6][7][8] Quintus Cornificius Q. f., one of Caesar's officers during the Civil War, and a man of letters much admired by Tullio Cicero. He was proscribed by the Second Triumvirate and fell in battle. Cornificia, a famous poet. Probably sister of Quintus. Lucius Cornificius, one of the accusers of Milo after the death of Clodius.[9] Publius Cornificius, a senator mentioned by Asconius, who may be the same as the accuser of Milo.[10] Lucius Cornificius (L. f.), accused Marcus GIUNIO Brutus of Caesar's murder, and afterward one of the generals of Octavianus. He held the consulship in 35 BC, and may have been identical with the rhetorician and/or the poet Cornificius. See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares, xii. 25.  Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus, Roman History, xlviii. 21.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, In Verrem, i. 57.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, In Verrem, Act. i. 10.; Epistulae ad Atticum, i. 1, 13.  Quintus Asconius Pedianus, In Toga Candida, p. 82.  Gaius Sallustius Crispus, The Conspiracy of Catiline, 47.  Appianus, Bellum Civile, ii. 5.  Quintus Asconius Pedianus, in Cic. Mil., 40, 54 (ed. Orelli).  Quintus Asconius Pedianus, in Cic. Mil., 37.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Categories: Roman gentesCornificii We have here the Cornifizio general gens wiki entry and another -- a third would be the one who accused Giunio of murdering Giulio -- Strictly, Acilius (the autopsy man) said that the Roman whose name starts with C. and who had a brother was the murderer in that he inflicted the second fatal blow, right? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornifizio – Ossia: Grice e Cornifizio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cornifizio. Strictly speaking, I think your recollection conflates two different Cornificii. 1. The accuser of Brutus The gens entry says:  Lucius Cornificius (L. f.), accused Marcus Junius Brutus of Caesar's murder, and afterward became one of Octavian's generals; he was consul in 35 BC.  That is the political Cornificius who publicly charged Brutus with responsibility for Caesar's death. 2. Antistius (not Cornificius) and the autopsy The famous ancient account of Caesar's wounds involves the physician Antistius (sometimes called an autopsy or forensic examination, though of course not in a modern sense). Ancient sources report that of the many wounds only one was judged fatal. The surviving summaries I know do not identify a Cornificius as "the man who dealt the second fatal blow." To establish such a claim one would have to go back to the ancient text itself. On the evidence in your Cornificii entry, no such statement appears. So at present I would say:  Lucius Cornificius accused Brutus.  Antistius examined Caesar's body.  A Cornificius was identified by Antistius as the killer because he inflicted the second fatal blow. ❓  I do not presently have evidence for the third proposition.  My first Grice/Speranza vignette for the Cornificii I would actually choose Lucius Cornificius accusing Brutus. Why? Because it raises a beautifully Gricean distinction between:  Who killed Caesar?  and  Who is responsible for Caesar's death?  Those are not necessarily the same question. One can imagine: Grice e Cornificio De Caesare Interfecto BRVTVS  Ego unum vulnus intuli. "I inflicted one wound."  CORNIFICIVS  Satis est. "That is enough."   BRVTVS  Sed non constat me letale vulnus dedisse. "But it is not established that I gave the fatal wound."   CORNIFICIVS  Non quaero quis solus occiderit. "I am not asking who killed him alone."   BRVTVS  Quid ergo quaeris? "What then are you asking?"   CORNIFICIVS  Quis caedis auctor fuerit. "Who was responsible for the murder."   That is a classic Gricean shift of question. Brutus answers:  "Did I deal the fatal blow?"  Cornificius asks:  "Were you one of the responsible agents?"  The implicature is that legal and political responsibility outrun the narrowly physical question of which knife caused death.  And that, I suspect, would have interested Grice much more than the forensic issue. The philosophical puzzle is not:  Which wound killed Caesar?  but:  What do we mean when we say that someone killed Caesar? Exactly. I was referring to the accusation by Cornifizio. He accused Giunio of having Killed Giuilio. But Antistio revealed that this brother of the C. pair (the first two brothers who stabbed Caesar) who stabbed Giulio on the side was the one who gave the actual fatal blow, so strictly speaking Giunio did not kill Caesar? Thanks Yes. In fact, you've arrived at a very Gricean distinction. If we accept the ancient report attributed to Antistius, the physician's question is something like:  Which wound caused the death?  Whereas Cornificius' accusation against Brutus concerns a different question:  Who killed Caesar?  Those two questions need not have the same answer. In modern legal language one might distinguish:  the person who inflicted the mortal wound, the participants in the attack, the conspirators who planned it, the persons morally or politically responsible.  A Gricean would immediately notice that ordinary language often slides between these. Suppose Antistius were to say:  "The wound dealt by X was the fatal wound."  It does not follow that:  "Only X killed Caesar."  That is an additional inference. Indeed, if twenty men attack one victim simultaneously, ordinary speakers are perfectly happy to say:  "They killed him."  even if only one wound was physiologically fatal. So Brutus might reply:  "I did not inflict the fatal wound."  And Cornificius could answer:  "I did not say that you did."  because his accusation is operating at the level of participation in the assassination rather than forensic causation. A Speranzian reconstruction might be: BRVTVS  Non ego vulnus mortiferum dedi. "I did not give the fatal wound."  CORNIFICIVS  Non quaero quis vulnus mortiferum dederit. "I am not asking who gave the fatal wound."  BRVTVS  Quid quaeris? "What are you asking?"  CORNIFICIVS  Quis Caesarem interfecerit. "Who killed Caesar."  BRVTVS  Nonne idem est? "Isn't that the same thing?"  CORNIFICIVS  Minime. "Not at all."  This is very close to Grice's concern with what is said versus what is implicated. The physician's report may establish:  "Brutus did not inflict the mortal wound."  But it does not establish:  "Therefore Brutus did not kill Caesar."  That second step requires a particular interpretation of kill, and Cornificius could perfectly well reject it. So I would say: strictly, if Antistius identified another conspirator's wound as the fatal one, Brutus might deny being the physical cause of death; but Cornificius could still truthfully accuse him of killing Caesar as one of the assassins. The whole dispute turns on the scope of the verb interficere ("to kill"). And what was the gens of those two brothers? In any case, a Griceian may make a case that (i) Giunio killed Giulio. is FALSE if it was C.'s second stab that Giulio received, on the side, that did the killing? And Cornifizio is being sloppy in his accusation? Thanks Yes, and here a Gricean analysis becomes quite sharp. The two brothers were the Servilii Cascae. Publius Servilius Casca Longus struck the first blow; when Caesar fought back, Casca called to his brother for help, and the brother (usually identified as Gaius Servilius Casca) immediately joined the attack. [en.wikipedia.org], [nationalge...raphic.com] Now for the forensic point. Suetonius reports that the physician Antistius examined Caesar's body and concluded:  of all the wounds, only the second was mortal. [lexundria.com]  Several ancient accounts place a second wound in Caesar's side or breast immediately after the first attack. Modern discussions of the sources note that if Antistius is right, the second blow was probably delivered by the second Casca brother. [imperiumromanum.pl], [nationalge...raphic.com] But this does not automatically yield:  Brutus did not kill Caesar.  That depends entirely on what we mean by "kill." A strict forensic reading would be:  "Brutus did not inflict the mortal wound."  That proposition is compatible with Antistius' report. [lexundria.com], [imperiumromanum.pl] However, Cornificius' accusation against Brutus was political and legal, not forensic. Under an ordinary Roman understanding:  Brutus participated in the planned assassination  therefore  Brutus killed Caesar.  A Gricean would say that Cornificius is using a broader sense of interficere ("to kill") than the physician is. Thus:  Antistius' question: Which wound caused death? [lexundria.com] Cornificius' question: Who was responsible for Caesar's death? [lexundria.com], [en.wikipedia.org]  So I would not call Cornificius' accusation false. Rather, there is an equivocation between:  being the person who inflicted the mortal wound, and being one of the assassins who killed Caesar.  A very Gricean dialogue would be: BRVTVS  Non ego vulnus mortiferum dedi. "I did not inflict the mortal wound."  CORNIFICIVS  Concedo. "I grant that."  BRVTVS  Ergo Caesarem non occidi. "Therefore I did not kill Caesar."  CORNIFICIVS  Non sequitur. "That does not follow."  The interesting philosophical issue is precisely whether "X killed Caesar" should be analyzed narrowly (the man who delivered the fatal blow) or broadly (one of the conspirators jointly responsible for the death). Cornificius clearly adopts the broader reading. Also, there are common ground defeasible premisses -- HAD CORNIFIZIO KNOWN of the autopsy and THEN still state or utter "I accuse GIUNIO of killing Giulio"--there is indeed a recent study doubting the political conspiracy behind the autopsy meant to avoid the 'collective' implicature that Giulio's killing was 'social'? Thanks Yes, and now we're very close to a genuinely Gricean issue about common ground and defeasible assumptions. Suppose Cornificius says:  Brutus Caesarem interfecit. "Brutus killed Caesar."  Before Antistius' report is introduced into the common ground, a hearer may naturally infer:  +> Brutus was among those whose actions caused Caesar's death.  No problem. But now suppose Antistius' conclusion is accepted:  only one wound was mortal, namely the second wound.  And suppose further that everyone accepts that this wound was delivered by one of the Casca brothers rather than Brutus. This identification is discussed by modern interpreters of the ancient evidence, although the ancient sources themselves are less explicit. Then the conversational situation changes. A Gricean could say that the utterance  "Brutus killed Caesar"  is compatible with at least two readings:   Forensic reading  Brutus inflicted the mortal wound.    Conspiratorial reading  Brutus was one of the assassins responsible for Caesar's death.    Once Antistius' report is part of the common ground, the first interpretation becomes harder to sustain. A cooperative speaker who still says:  "Brutus killed Caesar"  would normally be understood as intending the broader conspiratorial reading. So the autopsy does not necessarily make Cornificius' accusation false; it changes the most reasonable interpretation of it.  What is especially interesting is your suggestion about "collective" responsibility. A modern Gricean might reconstruct the reasoning like this: Before the autopsy  Caesar was stabbed by many conspirators. Therefore: "The conspirators killed Caesar."  After the autopsy  Only one wound was medically fatal. Therefore: "The Casca who delivered that wound killed Caesar."  But that second inference relies on a very narrow concept of "kill". The collective formulation:  "The conspirators killed Caesar"  still remains perfectly natural.  As for recent scholarship, I found a recent discussion arguing that historians often speak collectively of Caesar's many attackers, while Suetonius' report about Antistius invites the alternative possibility that one specific stabber caused the death. The discussion explicitly raises the question whether Gaius Casca might be regarded as the "true assassin" if Antistius' forensic conclusion is accepted. At the same time, it notes reasons for caution and does not present the matter as settled. So a Speranzian Cornificius could reply:  "Antistius tells us who inflicted the mortal wound; I tell you who murdered Caesar."  That is not necessarily a contradiction. It is a dispute about the meaning and scope of interficere ("to kill"). and can you do a second run on the contemporary essay doubting the evidence. I seem to recall it was a female author? perhaps we can find the abstract? Thanks Yes — and I think I found the article you may have in mind. A substantial scholarly discussion is:  Eleanor Cowan, "Caesar's One Fatal Wound: Suetonius, Divus Iulius 82.3". [jstor.org]  The abstract is not available in the search snippet, but the snippet gives a very clear summary of her thesis. What Cowan argues She notes that Suetonius reports Antistius' remarkable claim:  only one of Caesar's many wounds was fatal. [jstor.org], [utmb.edu]  Her article then argues that:  Suetonius' description of the fatal wound does not correspond neatly with the other surviving accounts of the assassination. [jstor.org] The claim that only one wound was fatal may have arisen within a political context rather than as a purely medical observation. [jstor.org] Specifically, she argues that the assertion of "one fatal wound" represented a pro-Caesarian response to the rhetoric of tyrannicide employed by Caesar's assassins. [jstor.org]  That last point is especially relevant to your Gricean line of thought. If the conspirators wished to present the killing as:  a collective political act,  then a counter-narrative emphasizing:  one specific fatal wound,  pushes the discussion toward:  one killer, one murder, one assassin.  In other words, the medical claim may carry political implications. [jstor.org] Why this is Gricean You are essentially asking whether there was a struggle over the interpretation of:  "The conspirators killed Caesar."  versus  "A particular man killed Caesar."  Cowan's description of the evidence suggests precisely such a tension. She explicitly treats Antistius' "one fatal wound" claim as something that may have functioned within a larger rhetorical and political debate about the assassination. [jstor.org] So if Cornificius says:  Brutus killed Caesar,  and Antistius says:  only one wound was mortal,  the disagreement may not be merely forensic. It may concern competing narratives of agency and responsibility. One caution: Cowan does not (at least in the snippet I found) deny that Antistius made the statement. Rather, she investigates why such a statement might have been circulated and what political work it could perform. [jstor.org] That's much subtler—and, I suspect, much closer to the sort of thing Grice would have found interesting. That's why Cornifizio's accusation sounds to Grice pretty 'brutal' and 'brute' accusing JUST BRUTUS. when everybody knew that Giulio received 23 wounds. It seems Cornifizio had something PERSONAL against GIUNIO who was on the run anyway? Can we have a second run on Cornifizio's accusation? Thanks A second run actually makes me more cautious, not less. What I can verify is quite limited:  Lucius Cornificius served as the accuser of Marcus Junius Brutus in the court which tried Caesar's murderers. [en.wikipedia.org], [military-h...fandom.com] The sources found do not say that Cornificius had a personal grudge against Brutus. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] Nor do they say that Cornificius singled Brutus out because he believed Brutus inflicted the fatal wound. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org]  So any claim that Cornificius had something personal against Brutus would be speculative. What is interesting is the Gricean tension. If Antistius' report was accepted, and if one further accepted the reconstruction that the fatal second wound was delivered by one of the Casca brothers, then:  Brutus inflicted a wound.  would be true, and  Brutus inflicted the fatal wound.  would be false (under that reconstruction). [en.wikisource.org], [en.wikipedia.org] But Cornificius' accusation was not framed as:  "Brutus inflicted the fatal wound."  Rather, it was:  "Brutus was one of Caesar's murderers."  That is a broader proposition. [en.wikipedia.org], [military-h...fandom.com] This is precisely where Grice enters. If someone says:  "Brutus killed Caesar,"  a hearer may supply the defeasible inference:  +> Brutus personally dealt the killing blow.  But that inference can be cancelled. Once the autopsy is introduced into the common ground, a cooperative speaker could still say:  "Brutus killed Caesar"  while meaning:  "Brutus participated in the conspiracy that killed Caesar."  The implicature changes even though the sentence remains the same. The modern article by Eleanor Cowan is particularly relevant here. She argues that Antistius' "one fatal wound" claim may have had a political context and may have functioned as a response to the assassins' tyrannicide rhetoric. She also emphasizes that Suetonius' version does not fit neatly with the other surviving accounts. [attalus.org] A Speranzian Cornificius might therefore say:  Non dico Brutum vulnus mortiferum dedisse; dico Brutum interfectores duxisse. "I do not say that Brutus inflicted the mortal wound; I say that Brutus belonged to the killers."  That, I think, is the strongest Gricean reading. The accusation is not necessarily false; it trades on a broader notion of agency than the physician's. Whether that broader usage is fair, politically motivated, or rhetorically "brutal" is exactly the philosophical question. And what else do we know of that trial where Cornifizio was present? was a verdict reached? were prisoners involved -- arrested? Most people think the 'tyrannicides' were all on the run? Thanks -- Ottavio seems to be leading the thing since Cornifizio later went on to have an alliance or cooperation with Ottavio (August). Thanks -- In fact, the plot went wrong and Giunio was in the streets echoing his ancestor (almost) 'We've killed a king' -- No kings in Rome! No regnare, no rex -- but the response to that cri de coeur was different then. Thanks What we know about the "trial" makes your Gricean suspicion even more interesting. According to Plutarch, this was not a normal criminal proceeding in which Brutus appeared, evidence was tested, witnesses were cross-examined, and a verdict emerged after deliberation. Rather:  Octavian had become politically powerful and obtained the consulship. He brought indictments for murder against Brutus and the other conspirators. Lucius Cornificius was appointed prosecutor of Brutus, and Marcus Agrippa prosecutor of Cassius. Brutus and Cassius were absent. Their cases went by default. Plutarch says the jurors voted "under compulsion." [lexundria.com]  So your picture is substantially correct:  the tyrannicides were not standing in the dock.  They were already away from Rome and raising forces in the East. The proceeding looks much more like a political declaration than an ordinary criminal trial. [lexundria.com], [en.wikipedia.org] From a Gricean point of view, Cornificius' accusation  "Brutus killed Caesar"  is therefore functioning in a highly political context. The fascinating thing is that everyone knew Caesar had received many wounds. Ancient accounts commonly speak of twenty-three wounds and many assailants. Antistius' famous report merely adds that one of those wounds was the fatal one. [gettyimages.com] As you've noted, one might then distinguish:   Forensic proposition  "Brutus delivered the fatal wound."    Political proposition  "Brutus was one of Caesar's murderers."    The first may be false if Antistius is right and the fatal blow came from one of the Casca brothers. The second can still be true. [gettyimages.com], [f-b-a.com] What makes Cornificius sound "brutal" to a Gricean ear is that the accusation singles out:  Brutus  rather than  the conspirators collectively.  Yet Plutarch's account itself gives the explanation: Brutus had become the symbolic leader of the liberators. The charge is directed against him and his associates together, but Brutus is the principal target. [lexundria.com], [en.wikipedia.org] And your final observation is historically apt. The conspirators seem to have expected a replay of the Roman memory of:  expelling kings and restoring liberty.  Brutus was descended from the famous Junius Brutus associated with the overthrow of the Tarquins, and the liberators presented themselves as defenders of the Republic. [en.wikipedia.org], [classics.mit.edu] The problem was that the public response was not what they anticipated. Plutarch records that, after the later indictments, there was sympathy for Brutus: the crowd groaned when he was summoned, and some among the elite reacted sorrowfully. But politically, Octavian and his allies succeeded in recasting the liberators as murderers rather than saviors. [lexundria.com] A Gricean moral might be:  The real question at the trial was not "Who delivered the fatal wound?" It was "What shall we call the men of the Ides of March: liberators or murderers?" [lexundria.com], [gettyimages.com] And what was Agrippa's gen -- because it seems this masquerade by Ottavio was: to choose the icon and the sub-icon (Giunio and Cassio) and one accuser for each (Cornifizio and Agrippa -- gens? -- respectively. It's not like August (Ottavio) was going to care to have 23 accusers for each who delivered a stab, right? Exactly. Plutarch's account makes the proceeding look much less like a forensic inquiry and much more like a symbolic political prosecution. Octavian had Brutus indicted and appointed Lucius Cornificius as prosecutor; Cassius was similarly indicted and Marcus Agrippa was appointed prosecutor against him. The cases proceeded in their absence and were decided by default. As to Agrippa's gens:  Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa belonged to the gens Vipsania.  His nomen was Vipsanius, just as Cornificius belonged to the gens Cornificia. (I am supplying this from standard Roman historical knowledge; the sources retrieved here identify him as "Marcus Agrippa" but do not discuss his gens.) Your political reading is persuasive as an interpretation:  Brutus = principal symbolic leader of the Liberatores. Cassius = the other principal leader. Cornificius = prosecutor for Brutus. Agrippa = prosecutor for Cassius.  That arrangement fits what Plutarch actually describes. And from a Gricean perspective, the crucial point is that Octavian's objective was not:  "Let us determine which of the twenty-three stabbers delivered which wound."  Rather, the prosecution seems directed at establishing the proposition:  "Brutus and Cassius are murderers."  Plutarch explicitly says that the indictments charged them with having slain the foremost magistrate of the city without trial. So a Gricean might distinguish: Forensic question  Who inflicted the fatal wound?  That is the sort of question Antistius' report addresses. Political question  Who shall bear responsibility for the assassination?  That is the question Octavian's prosecutions appear designed to answer. Hence your point: if Caesar suffered twenty-three wounds, it would indeed be odd to imagine Octavian seeking twenty-three separate accusers corresponding to twenty-three separate stabbers. The trial's structure, as reported by Plutarch, points instead toward the symbolic leaders of the conspiracy. A Speranzian Cornificius might therefore be challenged:  Brutusne Caesarem occidit?  And reply:  Non quaero quis secundum vulnus dederit; quaero quis causae princeps fuerit.  ("I am not asking who dealt the second wound; I am asking who was the principal author of the deed.") That captures rather neatly the gap between Antistius' medical inquiry and Cornificius' political accusation.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cornuto – Ossia: Grice e Cornuto: la ragione conversazionale a Roma antica, e la filosofia italiana (Roma). Lucio Anneo Cornuto: la ragione conversazionale a Roma antica, e la filosofia italiana (Roma). A slave in Rome, C. becomes one of the city’s leading intellectuals. A member of IL PORTICO. His first name, Anneo, points to a connection of some kind with the family of Seneca. C. teaches RETTORICA and philosophy -- his pupils including AGATINO, PETRONIO, ARISTOCRATE, LUCANO, and PERSIO. In his will PESIO leaves  C. his library, which C accepts, and his money, which he rejects. C. is sent into exile by Domizio NERONE. Like H. P. Grice, C writes an influential commentary on Aristotle’s Categories. C. argues that this or that of Aristotle’s categories – a misuse of a word which in ordinary Greek means ‘utterance at the agora,’ and which Cicero translates as PRAE-DICAMENTVM, reflects this or that divisions within the Greek language – il greco, il pirotese --, rather than within reality. In the epidrome, C. surveys this or that myth and, by means of Griceian linguistic analysis and allegorical interpretation, that is, conversational implicature, C. seeks to extract what he considers to be the ‘true meaning’ – what is said, the dictive content – of this or that myth.. categoria, categoria morfo-sintattica, implicatura conversazionale. GRICEVS: Cornute, servus fuisti sed doctissimus factus es, et nunc mihi dicis categorias ad linguam pertinere, non ad rem—quasi res ipsa Latine loqui nolit. CORNVTVS: Si res loqueretur, Grice, Neroni responsum dedisset et in exilium non isset, sed quia tacet nos inter prae-dicamenta et implicaturas laboramus ut aliquid saltem sapiat. GRICEVS: At Persius tibi bibliothecam reliquit, pecuniam recusasti, et hoc maxime significat te Stoicum esse—aut pecunia te refutavit per maximam relationis. CORNVTVS: Ita vero, nam accipere libros est interpretari mythos, accipere nummos est interpretari culpam, et ego malui Catagorias commentari quam fiscum imperatoris. Grice and Speranza have this -- which should be under 'A' -- for Anneo -- Lucio Anneo Cornuto -- Since he was a gens the questions Grice and Speranza have are: Could it be a real 'Anneo' who was sold as a slave, or more likely, a slave that went by Cornuto, that when freed by Lucio Anneo adopted the owner's prae-nomen and gens, and kept his real name as cognomen? Your second hypothesis is the correct one, and in fact it fits very well with what is known of Roman naming practice. Lucius Annaeus Cornutus is very unlikely to have been a freeborn “Anneo” who fell into slavery. The pattern of his name is exactly what one expects from a freedman. The logic is as follows. A slave originally had a single name, very often Greek in intellectual circles. In this case Cornutus is best understood as that original name. When such a slave was manumitted, he took the praenomen and nomen of his former master. If he was freed by a member of the gens Annaea, he would become Lucius Annaeus. He would then retain his original name, Cornutus, as a cognomen. So the full structure is: Lucius Annaeus Cornutus praenomen and nomen from the patron cognomen from the freedman’s original name This is the standard freedman pattern. It is also consistent with his social profile. He appears as a teacher of rhetoric and philosophy with connections to figures like Persius and Lucan, and such intellectuals in the early empire were very often freedmen or of non-aristocratic origin. So to answer your question directly. It is much more likely that he was a slave named Cornutus who, when freed by a Lucius Annaeus, took the name Lucius Annaeus and kept Cornutus as his cognomen. On your classificatory point, if Grice and Speranza order by gens, he should indeed be placed under Annaeus, but with the understanding that this is a patronal gens-name rather than an inherited aristocratic lineage in the Republican sense.Anneo Cornuto, Lucio

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Corrado – Ossia: Grice e Corrado: la ragione conversazionale e  la dieta di Crotone e la semiotica magica. Vincenzo Corrado (Oria, Brindisi, Puglia): la ragione conversazionale e  la dieta di Crotone e la semiotica magica. Grice: “I like C. Of course,  we have the beefsteak, the English do. But C. philosophises on the near ‘cibo’ a Crotone and produces a philosophical cook-book for the noblemen!” “Il cuoco galante”. Studia filosofia. Il principe di Francavilla gli attribuisce la mansione di capo dei servizi di bocca., e organizzaz dei banchetti nel palazzo sito sulla collina delle Mortelle prospiciente il golfo e gl’invitati a mensa constatano l’opulenta ospitalità partenopea. L'abbondanza, la varietà, la delicatezza delle vivande, la splendidezza e la sontuosiotà delle tavole richiedeno una schiera di uomini d'arte, saggi e probi. Questa mastodontica organizzazione, è guidata proprio da C. Alle sue dipendenze lavorano un maestro di casa, un maestro di cucina ed un maestro di scalco che ha il compito di acquistare, di cucinare, di dissodare e di trinciare ogni tipo di animale, mentre una schiera di cuochi, rispettando la gerarchia allora in uso, lavora secondo la propria specializzazione -- oggi le grandi cucine dei ristoranti hanno i cuochi di del cibo, e le due nacquero, cresceron, e s’ingrandirono nello stesso tempo, e nella nostra Italia che in altri luoghi, sotto i fastosi e dominanti romani, e divennero tutte e due arti d’ingegno, di piacere, e d’utile; ed il cuoco ed il credenziere debbono esser d'accordo nel loro, quantunque dissimile, lavoro. Della estesa ed elevata cucina se n’è discorso abbastanza. Dico abbastanza ma non già al fine; e compimento, poichè ciò accade quando non vi sono più uomini al mondo. Ora vengo a trattare di quanto la credenza include, e di quanto un credenziere dee esser fornito. E se nel dar l’istruzione pella cucina pensai e scrissi da cuoco, ura collo stesso METODO FILOSOFO da credenziere. Come tale intendo ragionare al dilettante. Procuro di aggiugnere quanto di bello, di buono, e di dilettevole mi ha potuto suggerire la fantasia. Gradisci dunque, o cortese mentato, questa mia fatica, e sappi, ch’io resto soprabondevolmente pagato col piacere di avervi servito. Vivi felice. la dieta di Crotone, il cibo pitagorico, il concetto di conversazione galante, gala. Corpus, 1934. Father and Mother are coming up for my “honours”—as I persist, impolitely, in calling them. And I want to surprise the old folk with a proper dinner out: out of doors, that is, or at any rate out of the doors of Corpus. One grows tired, even as a young man, of being fed as if one were a resident monk. Where, then, to take them? Oxford is not Naples; Oxford does not even pretend to be Naples. Still, the thought of a dinner has the usual effect: it sends me, absurdly, to books. And there, on a shelf, is the Neapolitan reminder that the Italians have long taken cuisine seriously enough to write it philosophically. Vincenzo Corrado, as early as 1773, put Il cuoco galante “to press”—and not as a mere list of receipts, but as a programme for civilised eating, addressed to gentlemen, with talk of method, order, and pleasure. It is oddly comforting: the idea that one may treat the dinner-table as a scene of rational cooperation, not merely of mastication. The English have beefsteak; the Neapolitans, it seems, have a theory. So I asked myself—half in jest, half in filial anxiety—where would Corrado have taken the old folk, if he had been marooned in Oxford? And then the truth asserted itself: Corrado would have been miserable here, not because Oxford cannot cook, but because Oxford cannot stage a meal in the Neapolitan manner. We do not have the apparatus: the hierarchy of service, the orchestration, the sense that “the cook” and “the credenziere” are two arts that must agree, “quantunque dissimile, lavoro.” Oxford, by contrast, wants you to eat, pay, and go back to your essay. Afterwards. I’ve just waved goodbye to Father and Mother as they took the Sunday afternoon train back to Harborne. They did enjoy our little dinner at Blenheim—enjoyed it in precisely the English way: grateful, slightly amused, pleased that the son has not become entirely impossible, and relieved that nobody had to be “galante” for too long. It was not Naples; it did not pretend to be; but it had the one virtue an English dinner must have to count as a success: it passed without drama. [Editorial note, for your house-style, not inserted] If you keep the vignette set in “Corpus, 1934,” the Oxford restaurant scene is necessarily thin compared with Corrado’s Naples; one therefore treats “Blenheim” as either (i) an off-site meal arranged under college auspices, or (ii) a private arrangement/club setting, rather than a fully-fledged “restaurant” in the modern sense. The point of the vignette isn’t topographical exactitude but the contrast: Corrado’s galanteria as a whole semiotics of the table (method, hierarchy, pleasure, “servire”), versus Oxford’s pared-down, practical civility—where “conversation” is often better than the food, and the food is expected not to get in the way of conversation. Blenheim Palace itself first opened to the public in 1950 (so that date can anchor any “outsiders” plausibility). [experience...dshire.org] But a formal, named restaurant operation at Blenheim (specifically the Orangery Restaurant as a brasserie‑style venue) is much later:  A brasserie‑style Orangery Restaurant was announced as opening 13 February 2016. [groupleisu...travel.com] The Orangery then underwent major restoration and reopened (refurbished) in October 2023. [b4-business.com], [hospitalit...week.co.uk]  So, if your editorial wants to correct the anachronism without touching the vignette, the neatest note is: “public access begins 1950, but the modern ‘restaurant’ framing is post‑2016.” [experience...dshire.org], [groupleisu...travel.com] When Brideshead Revisited appeared (1945), I read it with the kind of interest one reserves for a book that is plainly about one’s own tribe, even when one wishes it weren’t. What took me aback was not the Catholic business (which in Oxford one can always treat as a local colour), but the ritual of impressing: the way an aristocrat initiates an outsider by feeding him—first in Oxford, then at the house—so that dining becomes an argument without ever being stated as such. A good lunch, a carefully placed bottle, the right room, the right servants: all of it functions like a speech-act that never announces itself as one. It brought back, rather sharply, that smaller episode of my own: Father and Mother up for my “honours,” and my sudden wish to take them out—out of Corpus, out of the college’s monastic certainty—into something that looked, at least for an evening, like civilisation. Oxford could not, of course, do Naples. We had no Corrado: no metodo filosofo of the kitchen, no theory of the credenza, no Neapolitan confidence that the table is a scene of rational cooperation with cutlery. But we had the local substitute: the occasional calculated dinner “at the Randolph” (or wherever one could manage it) when one wanted to give a visitor the sense—partly true, partly charitable—that Oxford is not merely a place where one argues, but also a place where one knows how to stage company. Corrado remains useful here as a corrective. In Waugh, the meal is a social sacrament, a piece of English hierarchy made edible; in Corrado, the meal is almost a philosophical treatise in practice—an art of agreement (accordo in the older sense), where the cook and the keeper of the credenza must “be of one mind” though their labours differ. The English version tends to hide the theory under the silver; the Neapolitan prints the theory and calls it galante. In either case, the implicature is the same: to feed someone well is to say something about him, and about oneself, without having to make the speech. Oxford, 1950. With rationing loosening its grip, the little Vincenzo Corrado in me begins to ring the bell—dinner’s ready—as if a city could be redeemed by a menu. I cannot pretend Oxford has Naples’ philosophy of the table, but I can at least pretend it has one hotel that behaves as if it had read Il cuoco galante. The Randolph, after all, has been there since the Victorians: construction began in 1864 and the hotel opened in 1866—in other words, it was designed from the start to receive outsiders, parents, dignitaries, and anyone else who needs to be impressed without having to join a college. So when I say (later, lazily) that I took someone “to the Randolph,” I do not mean the modern “restaurant” as a branded thing (that is a recent marketing habit); I mean what the Randolph has always supplied in Oxford: a public room in which one may eat and thereby imply—without saying—that Oxford is civilised even when it is being meanGrice: Corrado, mi incuriosisce tantissimo il tuo modo di filosofeggiare sul cibo! “Il cuoco galante” non è solo un libro, ma un vero trattato filosofico sulla cucina. Dimmi, secondo te, qual è il segreto di una conversazione galante a tavola? Corrado: Carissimo Grice, il segreto sta nell’armonia: come nella cucina, anche nella conversazione bisogna saper dosare sapori e parole, unendo delicatezza e varietà. La tavola diventa così luogo di piacere, utilità e ingegno, proprio come un banchetto alla corte di Francavilla! Grice: Mi piace questa idea! Saper organizzare una conversazione è quasi come orchestrare un banchetto: ogni commensale ha il suo ruolo e ognuno contribuisce con saggezza e allegria. E dimmi, Corrado, c’è una pietanza che secondo te incarna la filosofia pitagorica della dieta di Crotone? Corrado: Sicuramente, Grice! Io direi che il pane, semplice ma fondamentale, unisce il vero, il buono e il bello. È simbolo di convivialità e misura: come la filosofia, nutre corpo e anima. Gradisci dunque, amico mio, questa mia “fatica galante”, e sappi che la felicità è servire con gusto e fantasia! Corrado, Vincenzo (1773). Il cuoco galante. Napoli: Raimondi.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Corsano – Ossia: Grice e Corsano: la ragione conversazionale (Roma).  Filosofo romano. Antonio Corsano: la ragione conversazionale (Roma).  Filosofo romano. Filosofo lazio. Filosofo italiano. Roma. La filosofia di BRUNO nel suo svolgimento storico; cur. Spedicati users.png Galatina, : Congedo, mas.png Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Controlla la disponibilità qui 2. : Il pensiero di.. Galatina, : Congedo,  mas.png Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Umanesimo e rel...    Napoli, : Guida mas.: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Bayle, Leibniz e la ...CORSANO, Antonio  Milano : Signorelli, mas.png Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Controlla la disponibilità qui De la causa, princip...BRUNO, Giordano  mas. Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Controlla la disponibilità qui Vico / Antoni...C.   users.png Napoli, : Libreria Scientifica, mas.png Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac:  Leibniz / Anton... Bari, Laterza,  mas.png Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac:Controlla la disponibilità qui Vico / ... users.png Firenze, : Sansoni, stampa  mas.png Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Ctutti checked_false.png Il pensiero educativo del Rinascimento italiano C., Maria Ricciardi Ruocco Firenze, La Nuova Italia mas.png Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Il pensiero educativ. Bari : Laterza mas.png Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Salerno Opac: Controlla la disponibilità qui Il pensiero religios...C.  Galatina, : Congedo, - rgrafbi.png Grafica Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Controlla la disponibilità qui Opere scelte / Anton. users.png Bologna, : Cappelli- mas. Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Storia del problema .Bari, : Laterza, mas.png: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Controlla la disponibilità qui Grozio : l'umanis. users.png Bari, : Laterza, mas.png Materiale a stampa Lo trovi qui: Univ. di Salerno Opac: Umanesimo e religione. BRUNO. Grice: Corsano, ti confesso che la filosofia di Bruno mi mette sempre un po’ in movimento—come dire, ogni causa ha la sua passeggiata romana! Dimmi, quando affronti il pensiero educativo del Rinascimento, preferisci partire da Napoli o da Firenze? Corsano: Ah, Grice, io metto i piedi a Roma ma la testa vola tra Galatina e Napoli! Nel Rinascimento si educava anche con una battuta, basta vedere quanto ridevano i filosofi davanti a una stampa rara. Grice: Ecco, caro Corsano, mi pare che persino Bayle e Leibniz avrebbero trovato il modo di far filosofia tra una battuta e l’altra—e forse, con Bruno, la causa prima sarebbe una semplice risata. Corsano: Grice, in fondo la filosofia è come un’opera scelta: meglio se si trova qui, meglio se si trova lì, l’importante è che sia sempre disponibile per chi ha voglia di sorridere e pensare! Corsano, Antonio (1937). Il pensiero religioso italiano dall’umanesimo al giurisdizionalismo. Bari: Laterza.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Corsini – Ossia: Grice e Corsini: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della filosofia in Roma antica Odoardo Silvestro Corsini (Fellicarolo, Modena, Emilia-Romagna): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della filosofia in Roma antica, Grice: “I like C.; if we at Oxford had a sublime history as they do in Italy, we surely would be philosophising about it! C. taught philosophy at Pisa and spent most of his efforts in deciphering what the Romans felt interesting about Greek philosophy! C. also explores the roots of Roman philosophy from the earliest times – ab urbe condita,’ as the Italians put it!” Studia a Firenze. Insegna a Roma. Vitae Italorum, elogio di C. con lettere di Fananese a Rondelli. Fanani nianae, quod in ditione est oppidum Ducum provinciae Ateftinorum Fri, Non. natus est C. optimis quidem parentibus, honestissimaque familia, Merton, 1934. Merton makes you feel free—or perhaps it actually frees you. Back from the gaol that Rossall was, and away from the over‑protecting feathers of the Pelican, I can ramble. So on Tuesday I give myself over, with a kind of devotional perversity, to the Bodleian and to philosophico‑historiographical matter. “Well, I’ve finished,” I said to myself, returning my prize to the librarian: Corsini’s Institutiones philosophicae. A hard read—harder, in places, than anything in Aristotle, because scholastic Latin manages to be both rigid and windy at once. “Now,” I said, with the confidence of the newly emancipated, “could you hand me the preamble?” “The preamble?” he repeated, as if I’d asked for the preface to the Bible. “Yes—the beginning,” I said. “This is very clearly marked—just as I suspected from the start—as Volume III. It is high, high‑fluttering, almost eschatological. But I’m a dutiful creature: I shall proceed as the author bids—Volume II next, and finally Volume I.” He looked at me in that tone which Bodleian librarians cultivate: paternal, dry, and faintly amused by undergraduates who think libraries are constructed for their personal narratives. “You’re asking for the moon,” he said. “We have never held copies of Volume I or Volume II. Indeed, the Director thinks Corsini invented them—started with Volumen Tertium as a sort of affectation.” “But is that legal?” I said. “It is in Florence,” he replied, and tapped the imprint like a judge reading out sentence: Bernardo Paperini, 1732. “The Director suspects Corsini came to Paperini with a plea—please, please, please—to print his Institutiones, and Paperini, seeing a market in scholastic compendia, printed what he was given, and did not trouble himself about the metaphysics of missing volumes.” “But,” I protested, now speaking as if I had recently been promoted to Philosophy and meant to exercise the rights, “anyone can see there must be a pre‑quel.” “A pre‑quel?” he said, tasting the barbarism. “Whatever,” I said, losing patience. “He cannot begin an Institutiones with a remark about a lion not being understood if he spoke in his language. That is the sort of sentence that presupposes an entire earlier conversation.” The librarian smiled, as if indulging a small dog that has discovered logic. “You mean,” he said, “that it reads like Volume III.” “Exactly,” I said. “Which is precisely why I want Volumes I and II.” And then, in the walk back, it occurred to me—half hallucination, half prophecy—that one could do the same trick at Oxford, and no one would blink. A philosopher could hand Blackwell a sheaf of remarks beginning in the middle—beginning, say, with lions—and Anscombe could label it Volume III, and Basil would display it dutifully, and the rest of us would pretend we had read Volumes I and II out of professional shame.  Serious bibliographical note (for your editorial voice, not inserted): a “Volume III first” is usually not occult, just library‑contingent. The common explanations are: (a) earlier volumes existed but were never acquired by that library (series purchased piecemeal); (b) volumes I–II were issued under a slightly different series title or imprint line and thus catalogued separately; (c) printers sometimes issued the “central” teaching volumes first and regularised the numbering later; (d) later catalogues sometimes record only the volumes relevant to “philosophy,” while I–II belong to rhetoric/humaniora/mathematics. So the “Director thinks Corsini invented them” works beautifully as Gricean comedy, while the sober editorial point is: missing volumes are more often a fact about holdings and cataloguing than about authorial fraud. quippe quae jamdiu civitate Mutinensi donata fuerat. Is ubi primum adolevit Sodalitatem hominum Scholarum Piarum, quos praeceptores puer in patria habuerat, ingressus est. Multa diligentia, multoque labore in humaniorum litterarum [cf. Grice, Lit. Hum.], philosophiæ ac theologiae studiis Florentiae se exercuit apud suos; et cum omnes condiscipulos gloria anteiret, ab omnibus tamen in deliciis habebatur. Erat enim bonitate suavitateque morum prope singulari; et cum plurimuin faceret non solum in excolendis studiis, sed etiam in officiis omnibus religiosi hominis obeundis, minimum tamen filoso­fia. Romolo e Remo, segno naturale, segno artificiale, segno, il segno di Romolo. Grice: Corsini, voi a Roma parlate di segni naturali e artificiali, e io penso che persino Romolo avrebbe capito l’implicatura: se alzo il sopracciglio, non sto fondando una città, sto solo dissentendo. Corsini: Caro Grice, io ho studiato a Firenze ma insegno a Roma, e ti assicuro che qui anche un silenzio ha più lauree di un piarista in biblioteca. Grice: Mi piace C., perché decifra ciò che i Romani trovavano interessante nei Greci, mentre noi a Oxford decifriamo solo il menù del college e poi lo chiamiamo Literae Humaniores. Corsini: Allora facciamo così: tu tieni l’ironia e io tengo l’ab urbe condita, e se qualcuno chiede “che c’entra?”, rispondiamo entrambi che è un segno artificiale di amicizia, non un argomento. Corsini, Odoardo Silvestro (1732). Institutiones philosophicae. Firenze: Paperini.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cortese – Ossia: Grice e Cortese: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del segno naturale, del principio del significato, Alpinista. Alessandro Cortese (Milano, Lombardia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del segno naturale, del principio del significato, Alpinista. Grice: “I love C. First he writes on Frege, whose views on ‘aber’ are very much like mine on ‘but’. But then he also writes on ‘irony,’ alla Socrates – as per Kierkegaard’s example, “He’s a fine fellow! => He’s a scouncrel. Most ‘theoretically,’ as the Italians put it, he explores the ‘principle of meaning’ – significato – which had me thinking. I very freely speak of the principle of conversational helpfulness, but somehow, principle of ‘signification’ sounds obtuse! Signification seems too natural to require a principle. If helpfulness and benevolence are evolutionary traits, they are certainly NOT ‘instituted’ as principles, even if they are requirements for trust and the ‘institution of decisions’. I am anything but a contractualist, and principle has to be taken with a pinch of salt. If I speak of a rational constraint, the idea of a principle evaporates: it’s conversation as rational cooperation, as I put it, as different from and stronger than conversation as mere cooperation. But this slogan frees us from a commitment to the existence of a ‘principle’ to which we might want later to provide with some sort of ‘psycho-logical’ validation! Can a sign have a different meaning for utterer and recipient? If so, why do we keep calling communication. Signare seems to be still good enough! D’ascendenza lodigiana, si laurea a Milano sotto BONTADINI e NOCE. Insegna a Trieste. Studia Gioberti. Italianismi esistenzialismo e fenomenologia protologia e temporalità principio di creazione, Ironia, un’apologia della filosofia, negozio del sapone, enten-eller, attrice, un discorso il naturale e il sovra-naturale, ermeneutica, il responsabile, eden, Temperatura Tempo meteorologia discorso edificante, naturale/sopra-naturale/preter-naturale, Carus, hyperphysical. Those spots means she has the devil inside her, praeter-natural implicatura supra-natural implicature, non-natural implicature natural implicature, ironia socratica, Savona, segnare il concetto, sovrannaturale, liberalismo, il responsabile. St. John’s, 1963. I often wonder why Blackwell bothers. One can see why Thornton’s doesn’t: Thornton’s is content to be a shop. But Blackwell—Blackwell feels a duty. (I know Basil.) He will promote, to nobody but me really, a fresh “bibliografia” straight out of Milano; and not just any common‑or‑garden list, but Una nuova bibliografia kierkegaardiana. One is tempted to ask: when did Blackwell promote the old one? And why is a “new” bibliography a philosophical event at all, unless one is already in the grip of the very disease it catalogues? Kierkegaard, they tell me, has the misfortune—or perhaps the greatest fortune—of having a mother tongue perfectly obtuse for philosophical records. Danish looks as if it were designed to keep metaphysics private. Hence the need for someone like Cortese to speak the lingo for him: to take the Danish storm, filter it through French, German, Latin, Italian, and then present the debris as a Milanese inventory. What amuses me is the Italian cheek implicit in nuova. “New,” here, cannot mean that Kierkegaard has suddenly produced more books; it must mean that Cortese has done his best to update the secondary apparatus—or at least to give Milan the sense that the apparatus is kept in repair. “New” is a promise of continuing maintenance: the kind of title that implies, politely, I shall keep at it, or, if I do not, someone else will have to. It is an advert for diligence. And yet, when I look for any Oxford philosophical imprimatur on the enterprise, I fail. Where, exactly, is Kierkegaard taught at Oxford—if at all? One hears, of course, a good deal of Kierkegaard in the continental air (and more every year), but Oxford is peculiarly resistant to the idea that anxiety might constitute a syllabus. Before he was embraced by the existentialists (as they now say, as if “embrace” were an academic method), Kierkegaard would have struck most of my colleagues as an edifying theologian with literary habits, not as a philosopher with arguments. Oxford prefers its melancholy either in Latin or in footnotes. Still, I suppose that is precisely why Blackwell’s window can matter. A shop-window is a kind of public implicature: it suggests that this is what one ought to be reading, and thereby hints (without saying so) that one is behind if one isn’t. Blackwell does not merely sell books; he supplies small pressures of fashion. And Cortese—by issuing a “new” bibliography—supplies the sort of pressure Milan likes best: the pressure of having “kept up” with Paris without admitting that one is following. [Editorial gloss: Cortese’s 1963 booklet is best treated not as a philosophical contribution but as a conduit—an early Milanese sign that Kierkegaard has become exportable. The irony, from an Oxford point of view, is that the text most devoted to Kierkegaard in Blackwell’s window is not Kierkegaard at all, but a guide to where Kierkegaard has already been talked about. Which is rather like offering a man a map of Denmark when what he wanted was a sentence in Danish.Grice: Cortese, dimmi un po’, se il segno naturale è davvero naturale, perché gli alpinisti come te cercano sempre di “segnare” la vetta con una bandierina? Non basta il principio del significato? Cortese: Ah, Grice, la bandierina è proprio come l’ironia: gli altri pensano che sia solo decorativa, ma in realtà è un messaggio segreto per chi sa leggere tra le righe – o tra i crepacci! Il principio del significato, infatti, si arrampica con noi. Grice: E allora, se ironia e segno naturale vanno a braccetto, mi chiedo: può una conversazione essere più scalata che passeggiata? Forse bisogna essere lodigiani come te per filosofeggiare anche sull’eden e il sapone! Cortese: Grice, ti dirò: la filosofia è come il tempo meteorologico, cambia ogni ora e a volte serve una buona dose di ironia socratica per non scivolare sul naturale o sul sovrannaturale. In fondo, anche una battuta, se ben “segnata”, può valere più di una cima conquistata! Cortese, Alessandro (1963). Una nuova bibliografia kierkegaardiana, Milano.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Coruncanio – Ossia: Grice e Councanio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Coruncanio. The Coruncanii are a family at ancient Rome. The first of the family to come to prominence was Tiberius C., a novus homo who became consul, and dictator.  According to Tullio Cicero, Tiberius C. was a native of Tusculum.[2] However, in a speech recorded by Tacitus, the emperor Claudius stated that the C. were originally from Cameria.[3]  The praenomina associated with the C. who appear in history are Tiberius, Gaius, Lucius, and perhaps Publius.[1] The various C. known only from inscriptions used a variety of names, including the common praenomina Quintus, Gaius, Gnaeus, Lucius, Marcus, and Sextus. There are individual instances of Aulus, Manius, and perhaps Spurius, but Aulus and Spurius are known only from filiations, while the only Manius was a freedman, so these may not have been regular praenomina of the Coruncanii.  BThe only distinct family of the Coruncanii during the Republic bore no surname.[1] A variety of cognomina appear in inscriptions, but there is no evidence that any of them represented distinct families of the Coruncanii; many of these surnames belonged to freedmen.  Tiberius C., grandfather of the consul of 280 BC.[4] Tiberius Coruncanius Ti. f., father of the consul of 280 BC.[4] Tiberius C. Ti. f. Ti. n., consul, he triumphed over the Etruscans. He was probably censori, became the first plebeian Pontifex Maximus, and was dictator. C. was a distinguished orator and jurist. Gaius and Lucius Coruncanius (Ti. f. Ti. n.),[ii] ambassadors sent to Teuta in 230 BC, to complain of the maritime depredations of her subjects. Lucius was put to death at her orders, provoking the First Illyrian War.[13][14][15][1][16] Coruncania A. l., a freedwoman named on a monument from Nuceria.[17] Coruncania C. f., one of the daughters of Gaius Caecilius Gallus, a soldier and municipal official, and his wife, Proxinia Procula, named on a monument at Rusicade in Numidia.[18] Aulus C., the former master of Coruncania.[17] Gaius C., the father of Gaius Coruncanius Oricula.[19] Gaius Coruncanius, the former master of Gaius Coruncanius Hilarus.[20] Lucius C., the former master of Lucius C. Laches.[21] Gnaeus Coruncanius, the father of Gnaeus Coruncanius Rufus.[22] Manius Coruncanius M. s., a slave named in an inscription from Minturnae.[23] Marcus Coruncanius, master of Manius.[23] Quintus Coruncanius, the former master of Coruncania Pasis.[24] Quintus Coruncanius, the former master of Quintus Coruncanius Theucer.[25] Sextus Coruncanius, the former master of Sextus Coruncanius Chilo and Coruncania Chila.[26] Spurius C., the father of Coruncania Tertia.[27] Coruncania Sex. l. Chila, a freedwoman buried at Rome.[26] Sextus C. Sex. l. Chilo, a freedman buried at Rome.[26] Coruncania Q. l. Creste, a freedwoman buried at Rome.[28] Quintus Coruncanius Q. l. Eros, a freedman buried at Rome.[28] Gnaeus C. Faustinus, buried at Vicus Augusti in Sardinia, aged twenty-five.[29] (Quinta?) Coruncania Hilara, named in a funerary inscription from Rome.[30] Gaius C. C. l. Hilarus, a freedman who became one of the Seviri Augustales at Augusta Taurinorum.[20] Coruncania Sex. f. Ismurna, buried at Rome.[26] Lucius Coruncanius L. l. Laches, a freedman buried at Rome.[21] Gaius Coruncanius C. f. Oricula, a praefectus fabrum, or military engineer, and military tribune with the twenty-first legion, buried at Rome, with a monument dedicated by his wife, Julia Pia.[19] Coruncania Q. l. Pasis, a freedwoman named in an inscription from Rome.[24] Gnaeus Coruncanius Cn. f. Rufus, one of the officials who presided over the rites of Diana at Rome, circa AD 1.[22] Quintus Coruncanius Statius, the former master of Quintus Coruncanius Eros and Coruncania Creste, buried at Rome.[28] Coruncania S. f. Tertia, named in an inscription from Rome.[27] Quintus Coruncanius Q. l. Theucer, a freedman buried at Rome.[25] Marcus Aurelius Coruncanius Victor, buried at Rome with his wife, Vitella Romana, in their family sepulchre.[31] See also List of Roman gentes Footnotes  Coruncanius seems to have been censor about the 34th lustrum with Gaius Claudius Canina; a number of sources imply it, but no authority explicitly gives the date.  Polybius calls them Gaius and Lucius, while Pliny calls them Publius (or substitutes Publius Junius) and Tiberius. References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, pp. 860, 861 ("Tiberius Coruncanius").  Cicero, Pro Plancio, 8.  Tacitus, Annales, xi. 24.  Broughton, vol. I, pp. 190, 210, 216.  Velleius Paterculus, ii. 128.  Appian, Bellum Samniticum, 10. § 3.  Niebuhr, vol. iii, p. 555.  Livy, Epitome, xviii.  Cicero, De Senectute, 6, De Oratore, iii. 33, De Natura Deorum, ii. 66, Brutus, 14, De Legibus, ii. 21.  Pliny the Elder, viii. 51. s. 77.  Digesta, 1. tit. 2. s. 2. § 38; s. 8. § 35.  Seneca the Younger, Epistulae, 114.  Appian, De Rebus Illyricis, 7.  Polybius, ii. 8.  Pliny the Elder, xxxiv. 6.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 227.  AE 1994, 411.  CIL VIII, 7986.  CIL VI, 3515.  CIL V, 7024.  CIL VI, 16486.  CIL VI, 129.  CIL I, 2697.  CIL VI, 33441.  NSA, 1923, 378.  CIL VI, 16488.  CIL VI, 10319.  CIL VI, 10022.  AE 1993, 850.  CIL VI, 16487.  CIL VI, 13057. Bibliography Polybius, Historiae (The Histories). Marcus Tullius Cicero, Brutus, Cato Maior de Senectute, De Legibus, De Natura Deorum, De Oratore, Pro Plancio. Marcus Velleius Paterculus, Compendium of Roman History. Lucius Annaeus Seneca (Seneca the Younger), Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium (Moral Letters to Lucilius). Gaius Plinius Secundus (Pliny the Elder), Historia Naturalis (Natural History). Publius Cornelius Tacitus, Annales. Appianus Alexandrinus (Appian), De Rebus Illyricis (On the Matter of the Illyrians), Bellum Samniticum (The Samnite War). Digesta, or Pandectae (The Digest). Barthold Georg Niebuhr, The History of Rome, Julius Charles Hare and Connop Thirlwall, trans., John Smith, Cambridge (1828). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). Theodor Mommsen et alii, Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum (The Body of Latin Inscriptions, abbreviated CIL), Berlin-Brandenburgische Akademie der Wissenschaften (1853–present). Notizie degli Scavi di Antichità (News of Excavations from Antiquity, abbreviated NSA), Accademia dei Lincei (1876–present). René Cagnat et alii, L'Année épigraphique (The Year in Epigraphy, abbreviated AE), Presses Universitaires de France (1888–present). T. Robert S. Broughton, The Magistrates of the Roman Republic, American Philological Association (1952). Categories: CoruncaniiRoman gentes For this gens, we can have a second run on this C. who was the cause of the first Illyrian war -- because Grice knows that Helen was the cause of the war of Troy. In this case, a woman kills Coruncanio, and Rome declares the first war against the Illyrians? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Coruncanio – Ossia: Grice e Councanio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Coruncanio. Yes, this is actually a very promising Grice/Speranza vignette, because it raises the question:  What does it mean to say that someone "caused" a war?  The sources for the Coruncanii state that Gaius and Lucius Coruncanius were sent as ambassadors to Queen Teuta in 230 BC to complain about Illyrian piracy, and that Lucius Coruncanius was put to death at her orders, which then provoked the First Illyrian War. citeturn0search? not available in tool; based on the text you supplied from Polybius/Appian references in the gens entry A Gricean immediately notices the ambiguity:  Teuta ordered the killing. An ambassador was killed. Rome declared war.  So who "caused" the war? The Helen analogy Just as one may say:  Helen caused the Trojan War,  without meaning:  Helen formally declared war,  one may say:  Teuta caused the First Illyrian War,  without meaning:  Teuta wanted a war with Rome.  The causal chain is more indirect. A Gricean could distinguish:                      StatementLikely meaningHelen caused the Trojan Warher abduction was the occasion for the conflictTeuta caused the First Illyrian Warher conduct toward the Roman embassy triggered the conflictCoruncanius caused the warhis death furnished Rome with a casus belli None of these need mean direct intention. A very Gricean dialogue ROMANVS  Cur bellum Illyricum gerimus? "Why are we fighting the Illyrian War?"  SENATOR  Quia Coruncanius occisus est. "Because Coruncanius was killed."  ROMANVS  Ergo Coruncanius bellum fecit? "Then Coruncanius caused the war?"  SENATOR  Minime. "Not at all."  ROMANVS  Ergo Teuta bellum fecit? "Then Teuta caused the war?"  SENATOR  Ne hoc quidem simpliciter dixerim. "I would not put it that simply either."  ROMANVS  Quid ergo verum est? "What then is true?"  SENATOR  Interfectio legati occasionem belli dedit. "The murder of an ambassador gave occasion for the war."  That is exactly the sort of conversational disentangling of "cause" that Grice enjoyed. An even better twist One could have Grice compare:  "Helen caused the Trojan War"  with  "Coruncanius caused the First Illyrian War."  In both cases, ordinary speakers use a very loose causal verb. The literal truth conditions are murky, but hearers immediately recover the intended meaning:  "This event became the widely recognized trigger for a much larger conflict."  That is less a matter of strict logic than of conversational practice—a very Gricean topic indeed. Yes, there are distinguishing qualifications. Paris 'rapes' or takes Helen captive, etc. In this case, though, perhaps some sexism in the Roman military caused the over-reaction. Surely, Teuta did the wrong thing-- she killed ONE of the Coruncanii though -- and it may well be that the other one did the trip back and inform -- the CAUSE was piracy: neither Teuta or Cornucanio. Thanks See if we can find the details in Appian, etc -- in any case the immediate cause was 'Teuta [the queen of Illyria] killed one of the two Roman ambassadors -- whatever their names. It's the offices that count, not the individuals. Thanks I think your instinct is right: we should distinguish several levels of "cause." From the gens entry and the ancient tradition summarized there, the sequence is:  Rome sent two ambassadors, Gaius and Lucius Coruncanius, to Teuta. They complained about piracy. One of the ambassadors, Lucius Coruncanius, was killed. The killing provoked the First Illyrian War. (The gens entry attributes this to Appian and Polybius.)  A Gricean would immediately ask:  What is meant by "Teuta caused the war"?  There are at least three candidates:  Remote cause: piracy. Immediate diplomatic cause: the killing of a Roman ambassador. Political cause: Rome's decision to go to war.  Those are not the same thing. In fact, I like your formulation better:  The immediate cause was not "Coruncanius" and not even "Teuta" simpliciter, but the killing of a Roman ambassador during a diplomatic mission.  That shifts attention from the individual to the office. A Roman senator might not say:  "Lucius Coruncanius was murdered."  but rather:  "A Roman ambassador was murdered."  The office carries the weight. This is analogous to modern diplomatic crises. The personal identity matters historically, but the political significance comes from the fact that the victim was an accredited envoy. As for Teuta, I would be cautious about the "sexism" point. It is certainly true that later Roman and Greek writers often depict female rulers differently from male rulers. However, from the material I found, I cannot establish that Rome went to war because the offender was a woman. What the sources emphasize is the embassy and the killing. I do not have evidence that the decision for war was explained in sexist terms. A nice Speranzian dialogue would be: DISCIPVLVS  Quis bellum Illyricum fecit? "Who caused the Illyrian War?"  MAGISTER  Piratae. "The pirates."  DISCIPVLVS  At alii Teutam dicunt. "But others say Teuta."  MAGISTER  Quia legatum occidi passa est. "Because she allowed an ambassador to be killed."  DISCIPVLVS  At alii Coruncanium. "But others say Coruncanius."  MAGISTER  Legatus causa fuit; non auctor. "The ambassador was the occasion, not the author."  That last distinction—causa versus auctor—is very Gricean indeed. The death of Coruncanius was the trigger; that does not mean Coruncanius "caused" the war in the same sense as Rome's decision-makers or Teuta's government. I take the point about sexism. But wasn't during the Troy war a common complain about soldiers (say Achilles) cursing 'that Helen, on account of whom we are here -- and have been here for ten years." I can imagine Roman soldiers in the first Illyrian war either 'cursing' Cornucanio OR Teuta? – Thanks Yes, and this is actually a very good Gricean observation about folk causation versus historical causation. In the Iliad, warriors repeatedly talk as though the entire war exists "because of Helen." They do not mean that Helen:  declared war, commanded armies, devised strategy.  Rather, "Helen" becomes a convenient conversational shorthand for the whole chain of events that brought them to Troy. A Gricean would say that:  "We're dying here because of Helen"  is not a careful causal analysis. It is an everyday attribution of blame. The same mechanism could easily operate in the First Illyrian War. A Roman soldier might say:  "We're freezing in Illyria because of that woman Teuta."  Or another might say:  "We're here because those ambassadors got themselves killed."  Neither utterance would amount to a serious diplomatic history. Instead, each picks out a salient figure and turns that person into the "cause." What's interesting is that there are several candidate causes:                                  LevelCandidateLong-termpiracyDiplomaticRoman complaints to TeutaImmediatekilling of the ambassadorPoliticalRoman decision to wage warFolk explanation"Teuta"Alternative folk explanation"Coruncanius" A soldier does not usually distinguish these levels. A senator might. A historian ought to. A Gricean notices that ordinary conversation often compresses them all into:  "We're here because of X."  One can therefore imagine two legionaries: MILES I  Cur hic sumus? "Why are we here?"  MILES II  Propter Teutam. "Because of Teuta."  A third interrupts: MILES III  Immo propter Coruncanium. "No, because of Coruncanius."  And a philosopher replies: PHILOSOPHVS  Immo propter piratas. "No, because of the pirates."  The joke is that all three are pointing to different links in the same causal chain. So I think your comparison with Helen is exactly apt. The "Helen caused the Trojan War" type of statement and the hypothetical "Teuta caused the Illyrian War" statement work similarly: they identify a salient individual rather than providing a complete account of causation. From a Gricean perspective, the hearer is expected to recover the richer background story.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Corvaglia – Ossia: Grice e Corvaglia: la ragione conversazionale,  il pessimismo e l’implicatura di Tantalo. Luigi Corvaglia (Melissano, Lecce, Puglia): la ragione conversazionale,  il pessimismo e l’implicatura di Tantalo. Grice: “I love C. – or corvus in diluvio, as he called himself A very Italian philosopher and thus interested in the history of Italian philosophy, especially VANINI,  the fact that he writes plays on philosophical subjects – La casa di Seneca – helps!” Studia VANINI risposta polemica condotta contro le veementi critiche ricevute Porzio. Finibusterre, trasfigurazione quasi sacra della sua amata terra e del popolo di Salento, ch'egli incitava con ogni mezzo, anche se spesso travisato e intralciato e persino calunniato a crescere, per migliorare materialmente e moralmente. Il romanzo fu ben accolto dalla critica. Croce, a cui C. lo aveva dedicato, rimarcò lo sfondo storico rappresentato in modo assai vigoroso e il trattamento dei caratteri e degli effetti. Pastore gli confida di sentire emergere nella sua mente, attraverso figure e temi del romanzo, ricordi sepolti, struggente malinconia, un mondo molto simile a quello del Manzoni, anch'esso celato alla superficie, soffuso d'ironia-limite", e tuttavia turbato da altri affascinanti caratteri, quali: "il sorprendente realismo, la perfetta armonia, l'effusione poetica, l'occhio acuto e sicuro, che scruta l'animo umano fin nelle più remote pieghe.  Si dedica al Rinascimento, animato dal bisogno di trarre alla luce obliterate sorgive  e percorrendo il movimento spesso alquanto sconosciuto della filosofia. S'apre nella sua vita uno spiraglio di fiducia verso gli uomini impegnati, e si prestadoverosamente secondo la sua fede politica all'attività politica, accogliendo e votandosi alla cultura mazziniana, cui rimane Fedele.. È di questo periodo la pubblicazione, tra l'altro, dei Quaderni Mazziniani: Noi Mazziniani, Mazzini ed il Partito di Azione, L'Acherontico retaggio, “Il Partito Repubblicano il discorso Ai giovani, la conferenza su Mazzini.  Cascata di S.M. di Leuca. BORDONI, un saggio di "speleologia". schöpft immer im Siebe der Danaiden, ist der ewig schmachtende Tantalus. Tantalo, Schopenhauer, Sisifo, assurdo, Camus, tragico. GriceVanini, Bordon, poetica, Mazzini, Pomponazzi, Cardano. Corpus, 1931. I am always faintly amazed by how little aestheticism there is in the air at Corpus Christi. It is odd, when one thinks of Mother’s delight in the stupid caricatures of Oxford aesthetes—Walter Pater turned into a comic posture, and then turned again into an “aesthetic opera” one can play on a gramophone, with Bunthorne preening as if beauty were a collar-stud. We did have our Walter Pater, of course; but he is gone, for good, and the college has reverted to its preferred complexion: grey stone, clean argument, and very little incense. Meanwhile (and this is the compensation) the Italians seem to have had their own aesthetic flourishes—and, unlike ours, they perdured. Browsing in the Corpus library I came upon a slim Italian pamphlet: Luigi Corvaglia, Melissano (1910). The title, at a glance, is deliciously misleading. “Melissano” sounds like a southern counterpart to Oxford’s Marius the Epicurean: one expects a philosophical Bildungsroman, or at least some pagan tenderness in provincial dress. But the illusion dissolves as soon as one looks more closely: Corvaglia is not naming an invented Epicurean, he is naming his native place. The opuscolo is not a metaphysical confession but a local dwelling—an act of attachment to a corner of Salento, as if to say: before I give you Rome, let me give you my village. And yet the aesthetic point remains, even there. The pamphlet has that Italian habit of letting a place-name do double duty: not merely a label on a map, but a moral and imaginative centre. It is patriotism at the scale of the parish; a miniature paese becoming a principle. One sees already what will later become explicit in Corvaglia: the urge to treat landscape as destiny and local life as material for larger figures—Seneca, Tantalus, the whole tragic mythology of wanting and not having. Melissano is the modest pretext for the later grander apparatus. [Editorial note] Corvaglia’s early Melissano (1910) is best read not as an obituary, nor as “aestheticism” in the Paterian sense, but as a provincial manifesto in miniature: a celebration (and transfiguration) of his birthplace and its people, before his later work turns more openly to philosophical drama and to mythological-historical themes (Seneca, Tantalus, Rome) and to the polemics of Italian intellectual history (Vanini, Mazzini, etc.). The charm of Grice’s discovery is precisely the title’s implicature: Melissano looks like a person until it reveals itself as a place—an early lesson, in pamphlet form, that proper names can mislead as efficiently as any conversational move.Grice: Caro Corvaglia, tra Tantalo e il pessimismo, come fai a non lasciarti tentare da una filosofia un po’ più allegra? Persino il corvo, se trova un po’ di pane, smette di gracidare! Corvaglia: Grice, il vero problema è che quel pane, come nelle leggende salentine, spesso svanisce appena lo afferri! Ma almeno, tra ironia e realismo, un sorriso me lo concedo sempre – anche se è malinconico come la cascata di Leuca. Grice: Dici bene! In fondo, se Sisifo può spingere la pietra con allegria, anche noi possiamo filosofeggiare tra una battuta e una disillusione. E poi, Manzoni insegna: meglio l’ironia-limite che il silenzio tragico! Corvaglia: Hai ragione, Grice! La filosofia del Salento è una festa di pensieri: si ride, si sospira, ma si cresce – magari con un pizzico di mazzinianità e la speranza che almeno una goccia di felicità resti nel setaccio delle Danaidi! Corvaglia, Luigi (1910). Melissano.

 

Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: COS

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cosconio – Ossia: Grice e Cosconio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cosconio. The Cosconii are a family at Rome. Members of this gens are first mentioned in the Second Punic War, but none ever obtained the honours of the consulship; the first who held a curule office was Marcus C., praetor. The praenomina associated with the Cosconii are Marcus, Gaius, and Lucius.  Marcus C., military tribune in the army of the praetor Publius Quinctilius Varus, fell in the battle fought with Mago in the land of the Insubrian Gauls, 203 BC.[2] Marcus C. M. f. (M. n.?), praetor in 135 BC, fought successfully with the Scordisci in Thrace. He is mentioned as a senator in 129.[3][4] Lucius C. M. f. M. n., triumvir monetalis in 118 BC.[5][6][1] Gaius C., praetor during the Social War, where he had considerable success as a general. Probably the same Gaius C. who later concluded the war in Illyricum as proconsul about 78 BC.[7][8][9][10] Gaius C. Calidianus, adopted from the Calidia gens, was an orator of little merit, distinguished for his vehement action and gesticulation.[11] Gaius Cosconius, praetor in 63 BC, and subsequently granted the title of proconsul in Hispania Ulterior. Accused of extortion, but acquitted. Appointed in 59 by Caesar to a commission to divide the public lands in Campania, he died. TULLIO Cicero declined Caesar's offer to replace him.[12] Gaius Cosconius, tribune of the plebs in 59 BC, aedile in 57, and one of the judges of Publius Sextius in 56.[13][14] Cosconia Gallita, the sister of Servius Cornelius Lentulus Maluginensis, consul in 10 BC, Publius Cornelius Lentulus Scipio, consul in AD 2, and Quintus Junius Blaesus, consul in AD 10, married Lucius Seius Strabo, and was the mother of Sejanus.[15] C., a writer of epigrams during the time of Martial, whom he attacked on account of the length of his epigrams and their lascivious nature. He is severely handled in two epigrams of Martial.[16] C., the author of a grammar and a work on "actiones."[17] See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, p. 863 ("Cosconia Gens").  Livy, xxx. 18.  Livy, Epitome, 56.  Sherk, "Senatus Consultum De Agro Pergameno", p. 367.  Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum, v. p. 196.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, vol. I, pp. 298, 299.  Livy, Epitome, 75.  Appian, Bellum Civile, i. 52.  Eutropius, vi. 4.  Orosius, v. 23.  Cicero, Brutus, 69.  Cicero, Pro Sulla, 14; In Vatinium Testem, 5.  Cicero, In Vatinium Testem, 7; Epistulae ad Quintum Fratrem, ii. 6.  Plutarch, "The Life of Caesar", 51.  Adams, "The Consular Brothers of Sejanus", p. 75.  Martial, Epigrams, ii. 77; iii. 69.  Varro, De Lingua Latina, vi. 36, 89 (ed. Müller).  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Bibliography Marcus Tullius Cicero, Brutus, Epistulae ad Quintum Fratrem, Pro Sulla, In Vatinium Testem. Marcus Terentius Varro, De Lingua Latina (On the Latin Language). Titus Livius (Livy), History of Rome. Marcus Valerius Martialis (Martial), Epigrammata (Epigrams). Plutarchus, Lives of the Noble Greeks and Romans. Appianus Alexandrinus (Appian), Bellum Civile (The Civil War). Eutropius, Breviarium Historiae Romanae (Abridgement of the History of Rome). Paulus Orosius, Historiarum Adversum Paganos (History Against the Pagans). Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum (The Study of Ancient Coins, 1792–1798). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). Freeman Adams, "The Consular Brothers of Sejanus", in The American Journal of Philology, vol. 76, No. 1, pp. 70–76 (1955). Robert K. Sherk, "The Text of the Senatus Consultum De Agro Pergameno", in Greek, Roman, and Byzantine Studies, vol. 7, pp. 361–369 (1966). Michael Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, Cambridge University Press (2001). Category: Roman gentes There are three Cosconii that merit individual treatment and dialogue (i) the orator known for 'vehement action and gesticulation' (source? Latin?) (ii) the epigrammist with Marziale's descriptions of him (iii) Grice's and Speranza's favourite: the grammarian who also wrote on 'Actiones. Yes. Among the Cosconii, those are exactly the three who seem most promising for a Speranza–Grice treatment. So my ranking would be:  Cosconius the grammarian of the Actiones — most Gricean. Cosconius Calidianus — verbal meaning versus gesture. Cosconius versus Martial — conversational economy, brevity, and relevance.  The delightful irony is that all three touch the same theme:  What contributes to communication?  Words alone? Gestures? Brevity? Performance? That is a Cosconian trilogy Grice would have enjoyed.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cosconio – Ossia: Grice e Cosconio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cosconio. Gaius Cosconius Calidianus, the gesticulating orator The source is Cicero's Brutus. The gens entry summarizes Cicero's judgment:  Gaius Cosconius Calidianus, adopted from the Calidii, was "an orator of little merit, distinguished for his vehement action and gesticulation." [en.wikipedia.org], [alamoana.net]  This is rich Gricean material. One could contrast:  what the speaker says, what he means, and what he does with his hands.  A dialogue almost writes itself: GRICEVS  Utrum argumentis an manibus persuades?  COSCONIVS  Si argumenta deficiunt, supersunt manus.  The whole issue is whether delivery (actio) contributes semantic content or merely rhetorical force.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cosconio – Ossia: Grice e Cosconio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cosconio. Cosconius the epigrammatist versus Martial This Cosconius is known because Martial attacks him. The gens entry correctly notes that Martial ridiculed him for:  criticizing the length of Martial's epigrams, and for his own literary tendencies. [en.wikipedia.org], [alamoana.net]  One surviving passage begins:  Cosconi, qui longa putas epigrammata nostra... "Cosconius, you who think my epigrams too long..." [loebclassics.com]  and concludes with the famous jab:  sed tu, Cosconi, disticha longa facis. "But you, Cosconius, make long couplets." [loebclassics.com]  This is very Gricean because "too long" is inherently conversational. How long is too long? Martial's answer:  Length is not measured by number of lines but by dispensable material. [loebclassics.com]  A magnificent anticipation of conversational economy.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cosconio – Ossia: Grice e Cosconio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cosconio. Cosconius the grammarian and author of Actiones This is my favourite too. Varro mentions:  Cosconius, author of a grammar and a work on actiones. [en.wikipedia.org], [alamoana.net]  Unfortunately, as far as the evidence in the sources here goes, we know little more than that those works existed. Varro cites him in De Lingua Latina. [en.wikipedia.org], [alamoana.net] But philosophically, this is gold. Suppose actiones means discussion of delivery, performance, forensic action, or rhetorical enactment. Then we have a grammarian writing about:  language and action.  That is almost proto-Grice. One could imagine: COSCONIVS  Verba explico.  "I explain words." GRICEVS  Et actiones?  "And actions?" COSCONIVS  Etiam.  "Those too." GRICEVS  Ergo iam ultra grammaticam progredimur.  "Then we have already moved beyond grammar." And in fact, we may have a more prolonged conversation by the grammarian Cosconio and a tutee where he (C.) refers to the orator referred by Cicero in BRUTUS (a Cosconio, as it happens). Tutee: Is he a relation of yours? -- and then C. going on to tutor on epigramm -- would that be anachronistic that the grammarian Cosconio knew of the epigrammist? for we can have again tutee ask, "Another Cosconio. Anotehr of your relations?" Etc -- Thanks -- Yes, but with one chronological caution. The orator Cosconius Calidianus is known from Cicero's Brutus and belongs to the late Republic. Cicero discusses him as an orator, remarking that he was notable more for vehement delivery and gesture than for real eloquence. [en.wikipedia.org], [prabook.com] The grammatian Cosconius cited by Varro must also belong to the late Republic, since Varro cites his grammatical works and his work Actiones. [en.wikipedia.org], [prabook.com] So a dialogue between:  Cosconius the grammarian, and a pupil discussing the orator Cosconius,  is perfectly plausible. In fact, the joke almost writes itself:  DISCIPVLVS Cosconius ille orator cognatus tuus est? "Is that orator Cosconius a relative of yours?" COSCONIVS Nomen commune est; eloquentia non semper. "The name is shared; eloquence is not always."  That is entirely within period.  The problem comes with the epigrammatist attacked by Martial. Martial is writing in the late first century AD. The Cosconius criticized by Martial belongs to Martial's own age. [imperiumromanum.pl], [en.wikipedia.org] Therefore:  Grammarian Cosconius ↔ Orator Cosconius  plausible. Grammarian Cosconius ↔ Martial's Cosconius  anachronistic by roughly a century or more.  So if your grammarian is the Republican figure known to Varro, he cannot literally know Martial's Cosconius.  A neat Speranzian solution is to turn that into a dream, prophecy, or meta-grammatical joke. For example:  DISCIPVLVS Num alii Cosconii erunt? "Will there be other Cosconii?" COSCONIVS Infiniti fortasse. "Perhaps infinitely many." DISCIPVLVS Et quid facient? "And what will they do?" COSCONIVS Alius manibus loquetur, alius versibus, alius grammaticam docebit. "One will speak with his hands, another with verses, another will teach grammar."  That lets the reader connect the three famous Cosconii while avoiding the chronology problem. In fact, I rather like the idea that the grammarian's pupil keeps interrupting:  "Another Cosconius? Another cousin of yours?"  and the grammarian patiently explains:  Non omnis Cosconius consobrinus est. "Not every Cosconius is a cousin."  A very Roman—and very Gricean—lesson about names, families, and mistaken conversational implicatures. Now back to the C. cited by Varro -- as you say, a prae-Austin, How to do things with words: Verba and Actiones -- what is the context of Varro's quotation? In those days, the elite would appeal to these authorities like Cosconio who would treat letteratura (Roman for grammatica) AND oratoria (actiones)? Thanks Your intuition is excellent. The very title combination:  grammatica + actiones  makes Cosconius look surprisingly "pre-Austinian." Unfortunately, the evidence is frustratingly thin. What we can say from the sources is only that:  Varro cites a Cosconius. Cosconius wrote a grammatical work. Cosconius also wrote a work entitled Actiones. [en.wikipedia.org], [prabook.com]  The gens entry derives this from passages in Varro's De Lingua Latina (6.36 and 6.89 in Müller's edition). [en.wikipedia.org], [prabook.com] What I have not found is a surviving quotation giving a detailed account of what those Actiones contained. The title survives; the work does not. So we must be careful not to project Austin back onto Cosconius. Still, there is a broader Republican context. Varro belonged to a world in which learned men did not sharply separate:  grammar, rhetoric, antiquarian scholarship, etymology, literary criticism.  Varro himself wrote on an astonishing range of subjects, including grammar, rhetoric, law, literature, antiquities, and philosophy. [loebclassics.com] So your reconstruction of an elite intellectual consulting authorities such as Cosconius for both:  verba (words)  and  actiones (performance, delivery, forensic action, rhetorical execution)  is quite plausible as a cultural picture, although we cannot prove that this is exactly what Cosconius' lost treatise discussed. Indeed, Cicero repeatedly treats actio (delivery) as one of the major components of oratory. So a Roman intellectual could quite naturally move from:  What is the correct word?  to  How should it be delivered?  without leaving the same educational universe. That is why your dialogue works so well. DISCIPVLVS  Quid doces, magister? Verba?  "What do you teach, master? Words?" COSCONIVS  Verba quidem.  "Words, certainly." DISCIPVLVS  Quid de actionibus?  "What about actions?" COSCONIVS  Saepe verba sine actione iacent.  "Words often lie inert without action." The nice Gricean twist is that the pupil assumes language is exhausted by vocabulary, while the teacher points toward performance, intention, and use. That is not yet Austin's How to Do Things with Words, of course. But it lives in the same philosophical neighborhood. And if your Cosconius-the-grammarian then mentions Cosconius-the-orator, the joke becomes even better: DISCIPVLVS  Estne ille Cosconius cognatus tuus?  "Is that Cosconius a relative of yours?" COSCONIVS  Nescio. Sed plus gestu quam verbis valuit.  "I don't know. But he achieved more by gesture than by words." That would unite the grammarian's verba with the orator's actiones rather elegantly. Since Grice knew any other philosopher's colleague of his's addresses at Oxford, he often assumes that Cosconio would know the ADDRESS even of the other Cosconio -- seeing that back in the day, Rome was possibly well walked. It seems that C.'s grammar was aimed at Romans, say, aged 10-14; while his actiones to Romans aged 15-18? Just kidding. Grammar always sounded 'elementary' to Grice -- England's grammar schools for the very poor -- we are not expecting a grammatica speculativa from Cosconio. His actiones were just a rehash of Cicero? Thanks -- see if you find the Latin in Varro dealing with this Cosconio. Thanks I think your instinct is probably right, but the evidence is far thinner than one would wish. What I could verify is:  Varro cites Cosconius in De Lingua Latina. The ancient tradition remembered him as the author of a grammar and a work entitled Actiones. [jstor.org], [Etrusia -...of Caesar] The surviving portions of Varro's work show that Roman "grammar" was already far broader than a modern school textbook. Varro's grammatical writings ranged over etymology, word-formation, orthography, literary interpretation, and the origins of words. [archive.org]  What I could not find in the available sources is the actual Latin passage from De Lingua Latina VI.36 and VI.89 where Cosconius is cited. The search results identify those locations but do not reproduce the text itself. [jstor.org], [Etrusia -...of Caesar] So I would be cautious about saying:  Grammar = ages 10–14 Actiones = ages 15–18.  It's a delightful Speranzian joke, but we do not have evidence that Cosconius' works formed successive school manuals. Likewise, I would hesitate to call the Actiones "just a rehash of Cicero." We simply do not know enough about the lost work. The title Actiones could suggest treatment of oratorical delivery (actio), forensic speeches, rhetorical performance, or something else entirely. The title survives; the contents essentially do not. [jstor.org], [Etrusia -...of Caesar] What is amusingly Gricean is the juxtaposition itself:                  Cosconius workTopicGrammaticawords (verba)Actionesactions / performance (actiones) A Speranzian reconstruction could run:  DISCIPVLVS: Magister, verba doces? "Master, do you teach words?" COSCONIVS: Ita. "Yes." DISCIPVLVS: Quid de actionibus? "What about actions?" COSCONIVS: Interroga alterum librum meum. "Ask my other book."  And then, on hearing Cicero mention the gesticulating orator:  DISCIPVLVS: Estne ille Cosconius cognatus tuus? "Is that Cosconius a relative of yours?" COSCONIVS: Fortasse. Nam ille actiones sine grammatica habuit; ego grammaticam sine actionibus. "Perhaps. For he had actiones without grammatica, while I have grammatica without actiones."  That's probably the most Gricean way to unite the two Cosconii: one specializing in verba, the other in gestus. Does this help? please comment. C. grammarian seems more important than C. the gesticulator orator, yet the name is pretty uncommon for one not to have known of the other (the grammarian of the orator?). And what would be the target audience of C. the grammarian in both works cited by Varro? thanks -- Yes, both original Latin passages from Marcus Terentius Varro's De Lingua Latina (Book VI) where he cites the Roman grammarian and legal scholar Cosconius are available below: [1, 2, 3] Varro, De Lingua Latina, VI. 36 In this section, Varro cites Cosconius regarding the baseline number of "primitive" or root words (around 1,000) from which all other Latin words are derived and inflected: [1, 2, 3] "Cum verborum declinatuum genera sint quattuor [...] horum verborum si primigenia sunt ad mille, ut Cosconius scribit, ex eorum declinationibus verborum discrimina quingenta milia esse possunt..." [1] Varro, De Lingua Latina, VI. 89 In this section, Varro cites from Cosconius's Actiones regarding the duties of a magistrate's assistant (accensus) in calling out the hours: [1, 2] "Hoc idem Cosconius in Actionibus scribit, praetorem accensum solitum esse iubere, ubi ei videbatur horam esse tertiam, inclamare horam esse tertiam, itemque meridiem, et horam nonam."[1, 2] The full Latin texts can be found in the referenced documents. If you need the English translations or an etymological analysis of the specific grammatical terms Varro uses in these sections, please let me know! [1, 2, 3] Yes, this helps quite a lot, and in fact it changes my estimate of the grammarian Cosconius. The two Varro passages suggest that Cosconius was not merely a school grammarian. VI.36  Cum verborum declinatuum genera sint quattuor [...] horum verborum si primigenia sunt ad mille, ut Cosconius scribit...  Varro is citing Cosconius on a fairly abstract question:  how many primitive or basic words there are from which the rest of the language can be generated by declension and derivation.  That is not elementary school grammar at all. It sounds much closer to:  classification of vocabulary, word formation, linguistic theory.  One is almost tempted to call it a primitive lexical theory. If Varro is invoking Cosconius as an authority here, Cosconius must have enjoyed some standing among learned Romans.  VI.89  Hoc idem Cosconius in Actionibus scribit, praetorem accensum solitum esse iubere...  This is even more revealing. The Actiones are not being cited here for rhetorical delivery or hand-waving oratory. Instead Cosconius is cited as an authority on a public procedure involving:  the praetor, the accensus, the proclamation of the hours.  That sounds antiquarian, legal, constitutional, or procedural. It hardly sounds like a schoolbook. It resembles the sort of material Varro loved: Roman institutions, custom, and usage. So I would now be less inclined to think:  Grammar = younger boys Actiones = older boys  and more inclined to think:  Both books were written for educated Romans interested in language, public institutions, and Roman practice.   The relation with the gesticulating orator Now your question becomes even more interesting. The name Cosconius is not common. The grammarian is cited by Varro. The orator is noticed by Cicero in Brutus. Chronologically they are near enough that it is perfectly possible they knew of one another, although I have found no evidence that they were related. A Speranzian dialogue almost writes itself: DISCIPVLVS  Estne ille Cosconius orator cognatus tuus?  "Is that orator Cosconius a relative of yours?" COSCONIVS  Nescio.  "I don't know." DISCIPVLVS  At Cicero eum memorat.  "But Cicero mentions him." COSCONIVS  Et Varro me.  "And Varro mentions me." DISCIPVLVS  Quid interest inter vos?  "What's the difference between you?" COSCONIVS  Ille manibus declinat, ego verba.  "He declines with his hands; I decline words." That last line is delightfully Varrovian.  A very Gricean point The two surviving citations suggest a contrast:                      Cosconius the OratorCosconius the Grammarianknown for actio and gesture (via Cicero)wrote on words and procedures (via Varro)bodily performanceverbal and institutional analysispersuasionexplanation So the tutee's joke—  "Another Cosconius? A cousin?"  —becomes philosophically apt. One Cosconius studies verba. The other is famous for actiones in the bodily sense. Meanwhile the grammarian's own book is entitled Actiones. That is exactly the sort of ambiguity Grice would have enjoyed. The same word actio slides between:  action, legal proceeding, public procedure, rhetorical delivery.  And Cosconius seems to stand at the intersection of all of them. When I'm saying the grammarian C. more important than the orator I am referring to alla Grice since the grammarian C. takes a theoretical approach to the practice of, say, the other C. and can we expand on the first grammatical passage. In all his oeuvre Grice only considers ONE word 'shaggy'. For which he gives an intention-based approach. The rest of his oeuvre is general about intention and uterer's meaning in general. So shaggy allows for declension -- was the word Anglo-Saxon, so that we can have 'The hound is shaggy' and the hounds are shaggy as different adjectives -- the second in plural? This seems to be the topic of Cosconio. He would say that there's only 'shaggy' (hirsutus) and that 'hirsuti' is a form of 'hirsutus' -- regardless that if someone say 'cani sunt hirsuti' he would mean THAT the plural (or dual) dogs are (Both) shaggy, or hairy-coated. Which is exactly Grice's point -- neither care for declensions and derivations (Cosconio seems to be implicating conjugation of verbs). This confirms Varro's interest in analogy. It seem they are postulating that if the utterer KNOWS the system (of expression derivation) he needs to know the ROOTS and then apply the GENERAL productive rules -- shaggy, shaggier, shaggiest --? Input? Feedback? please parse the Latin for both passages, since as per the second you mention 'hours' – thanks I think your line is exactly the right one, and it makes Cosconius the grammarian much more interesting to a Gricean than the gesticulating orator. The key passage is:  Cum verborum declinatuum genera sint quattuor ... horum verborum si primigenia sunt ad mille, ut Cosconius scribit, ex eorum declinationibus verborum discrimina quingenta milia esse possunt...  A rough parsing:  cum ... sint = "since there are ..." verborum declinatuum genera = "classes/types of declined words" horum verborum si primigenia sunt ad mille = "if the primitive (basic) words of these are about a thousand" ut Cosconius scribit = "as Cosconius writes" ex eorum declinationibus = "from their declensions/inflections" verborum discrimina quingenta milia esse possunt = "there can be five hundred thousand distinctions/forms of words"  So Cosconius is not discussing a particular word but a generative system. That is why your comparison with Grice's shaggy is apt. For Cosconius:  hirsutus is one basic lexical item. hirsuta hirsutum hirsuti hirsutorum etc.  are not separate words in the primary sense. They are products of a system. In modern linguistic terms, Cosconius seems closer to:  lexeme > inflected forms  than to a mere list of dictionary entries. And that is indeed rather analogous to Grice's attitude. Grice isn't interested in shaggy, shaggier, shaggiest as separate philosophical entities. He wants the underlying meaning and then general principles that explain the uses.  Now the second passage:  Hoc idem Cosconius in Actionibus scribit, praetorem accensum solitum esse iubere, ubi ei videbatur horam esse tertiam, inclamare horam esse tertiam, itemque meridiem, et horam nonam.  Parsing:  hoc idem ... scribit = "Cosconius likewise writes this" in Actionibus = "in the Actiones" praetorem ... solitum esse iubere = "that the praetor used to order" accensum = his attendant/herald ubi ei videbatur horam esse tertiam = "when it seemed to him that it was the third hour" inclamare horam esse tertiam = "to proclaim that it was the third hour" itemque meridiem = "and likewise midday" et horam nonam = "and the ninth hour"  What fascinates me is that this is not really "grammar" at all. Rather, Cosconius is discussing a conventional public act:  the praetor judges the time, orders the accensus, the accensus publicly announces it.  A Gricean would immediately notice that this is institutional communication. The utterance:  Horam tertiam esse!  is not merely descriptive. It performs a civic function. Not Austin yet, certainly—but much closer to Austin than one might expect from a Roman grammarian.  So I would reformulate your insight as follows: The first passage is about what we would call a productive linguistic system. The second passage is about institutionalized public utterances. Thus Cosconius seems interested in both:  how expressions are generated (declinationes), how expressions are officially used (actiones).  That is surprisingly close to a Gricean division between:  the linguistic resources available to a speaker, the actual communicative acts performed by speakers.  A Speranzian Cosconius could therefore tell his pupil:  Pauca sunt verba prima; innumerae sunt formae. "The primitive words are few; the forms are innumerable."  And Grice would add:  Paucae sunt formae; innumeri sunt usus. "The forms are few; the uses are innumerable."  The two remarks belong together rather nicely. Re the two points, first with the second -- the herald. This is Griceian in that it is mediated. The praetor perceives that it is midday ('noon') -- he informs the herald that it is noon; whch the herald could find out for himself -- but he has to be INFORMED by the praetor -- because in wartime, the praeter, to conceal something, may declare that it is noon when it is not -- a vigil, or state of emergency, or not declare at all -- so the reason for the utterance is not that the utterer has a reason by himself (the herald does not) but relies on the reason provided by the praetor. Re the (i) point, C. and Varro seem to be interested in some sort of geometric progression. For given that there are six cases -- for one item like hirsutus, you have then 12 forms (six singular, six plural). Hence their point about the number (hundreds) of basic lexeme hirsutus -- understood neutrally or generically, and not as nominative masculine, but more as an abstraction -- and then we have the geometric multiplication into hundreds of hundreds? Is Varro realistic in the numbers given? I suppose C.'s larger point would be, suppose the dog is named Ascanius -- Ascanius est hirsutus. This has a 12 x 12 x 12 forms, rigtht? And Varro and C. know that the Latin language already contains HUNDREDS of such basic abstract lexical TYPES -- from which TOKENS in utterances in all different cases and conjugations are progressed geomtrically. Cosconio must know that some forms do not decline, like ad, et, vel, etc? Thanks I think you're reading both passages in a very fruitful, and surprisingly modern, way. (ii) First, the herald passage: authority-mediated meaning The Latin is:  praetorem accensum solitum esse iubere ... inclamare horam esse tertiam, itemque meridiem, et horam nonam.  The important thing is that the accensus does not independently determine the time. Cosconius says the praetor used to order him to proclaim it. The chain is:  Praetor judges it is the third hour. Praetor orders the herald. Herald announces the hour publicly. [archive.org], [jstor.org]  Your Gricean point is excellent. The herald's utterance:  "It is the third hour."  is not functioning as a personal assertion based on his own evidence. It is more like:  "By authority of the magistrate, the third hour is now proclaimed."  The herald becomes a transmitter of institutional intention. Indeed, as you note, the very existence of the office suggests that the announcement is not reducible to astronomical observation. If anyone could simply look at the sun and infer the hour, the institution would be pointless. The announcement has a public and legal significance beyond mere description. A Gricean might say:  the herald's speaker meaning derives from the praetor's authority.  Almost a Roman ancestor of delegated speech acts.  (i) The declension passage Here I think you are also seeing something important. Varro says, citing Cosconius:  if there are about a thousand primitive words (primigenia), then from their declensions there may arise as many as five hundred thousand distinctions/forms. [jstor.org]  The crucial word is:  primigenia  These appear to be the underlying lexical units. Your hirsutus example is exactly the kind of thing involved. Cosconius is not counting:  hirsutus hirsuti hirsuto hirsutorum  as separate primitive words. Rather:  HIRSUTUS  is the lexical source. The inflectional system generates the rest. That is extraordinarily close to the modern distinction between:                      Modern termCosconian idealexemeverbum primigeniuminflected formdeclinatiotoken in discourseactual occurrence  Is Varro's arithmetic realistic? Probably not in a literal census sense. I suspect the point is demonstrative rather than empirical. Cosconius seems to be arguing:  A relatively small stock of primitive lexical items can generate an enormous language.  That is the striking idea. Suppose:  noun: 12 forms (6 singular + 6 plural) adjective: 12 forms verb: many dozens of forms  Then a relatively small inventory of roots explodes combinatorially. The exact figure:  quingenta milia  ("five hundred thousand") looks more like a theoretical illustration than the result of counting every Latin form. [jstor.org]  Ascanius est hirsutus Your example helps. We might have:  Ascanius est hirsutus.  Then:  Ascanii sunt hirsuti.  Then all the oblique cases. Cosconius' point seems to be that all these derive from a comparatively small number of underlying lexical units. Very much a theory of productivity.  Did Cosconius know some words do not decline? Almost certainly. Even in Varro's surviving linguistic writings there is intense concern with the distinction between words that do and do not undergo regular inflection. Varro's whole linguistic project is deeply occupied with analogy, anomaly, declension, and word formation. [archive.org] So words such as:  et, vel, ad  would naturally stand apart from paradigms like:  hirsutus, canis, amo.  I cannot cite a surviving statement from Cosconius himself saying so, because the work is lost. But the quotation from Varro places him squarely within a grammatical tradition that was preoccupied with exactly such distinctions. [archive.org], [jstor.org] The really Gricean conclusion is perhaps this:  Cosconius is interested in how many expressions can be generated from a small stock of lexical bases. Grice is interested in how many meanings and communicative intentions can be generated from a small stock of expressions.  Cosconius studies the productivity of forms; Grice studies the productivity of use. I think Grice goes slightly further in his use of potential infinite, given that Ascanius est hirsutus et Ascanius non est hirsutior et... This for Grice _DEFINES_ a lingua: from a finite stock we generate a potentially INFINITE sequence, whereas V. and C. wander at the enormous number of 'inflected' words -- rather than inflected words AND combinations. Just consider verb, "Ascanius, be hirsute! +> don't shave. Ascaniu is to be hirsute, the conjugation forms with all their modes -- the primigenium is indeed hirsutus, and the inflected forms are more. C. says from a hundred to a five hundred? Thanks I think you're putting your finger on a real difference between Varro/Cosconius and Grice. Cosconius' horizon: combinatorial finitude The passage you supplied says:  horum verborum si primigenia sunt ad mille, ut Cosconius scribit, ex eorum declinationibus verborum discrimina quingenta milia esse possunt.  Roughly:  "If the primitive words number about a thousand, as Cosconius writes, then from their declensions there can arise five hundred thousand distinctions/forms of words."  The striking thing is that Cosconius is impressed by a very large finite number. The picture seems to be:  a finite stock of primitive lexical items (primigenia), a finite system of declensions and conjugations, a very large resulting stock of forms.  That is what astonishes him.  Grice's horizon: potential infinity Grice (following a tradition going back through Russell and ultimately to generative concerns) is interested in something stronger. Take your example:  Ascanius est hirsutus.  Then:  Ascanius est hirsutus et canis est hirsutus.  Then:  Ascanius est hirsutus et canis est hirsutus et equus est hirsutus.  Then:  Ascanius est hirsutus et canis est hirsutus et equus est hirsutus et ...  No matter how many conjunctions have already occurred, another may be added. Likewise:  Ascanius est hirsutus.   Ascanius non est hirsutior.   Ascanius non est hirsutior quam canis.   Ascanius non est hirsutior quam canis qui ...  and so on. The important point for Grice is not the number of forms of hirsutus. It is that a finite linguistic stock supports an indefinitely extensible set of expressions.  Where Cosconius stops Cosconius seems mainly interested in:  root → inflected forms  For example: HIRSUTUS might generate  hirsutus hirsuta hirsutum hirsuti hirsutorum hirsuto  etc. Likewise verbs generate many finite forms. That is already a kind of productivity.  Where Grice goes further Grice would add: Even if there were only one adjective:  hirsutus  and one name:  Ascanius  the speaker can generate indefinitely many expressions through recursive operations. So Grice's wonder is not:  "One thousand roots produce five hundred thousand forms."  It is rather:  "A finite vocabulary and finite rule system produce an unbounded language."   A Cosconius–Grice dialogue COSCONIVS  Ex mille verbis quingenta milia formarum fiunt. "From a thousand words five hundred thousand forms arise."  GRICEVS  Cur ibi desinis? "Why stop there?"  COSCONIVS  Quid amplius est? "What more is there?"  GRICEVS  Formae finitae sunt; sententiae non item. "The forms are finite; the sentences are not."  That seems to capture the difference very neatly. So I would say that Cosconius is already pursuing a theory of morphological productivity (roots → forms), while Grice's framework presupposes something closer to syntactic and semantic productivity (expressions → indefinitely many possible utterances and meanings). The former yields very large numbers; the latter yields potential infinity. And the reason may be theoretical -- V. and C. could be familiar with notions of infinite (apeiron, the Elea tradition, Aristotle) -- but C.'s concern seems more practical, perhaps as per a Roman having learned Greek. He has to know those five hundred inflected forms of say Greek for 'hirsutus' -- what would THAT be? And in Homer, there was a dual number -- so C.'s point (regardless of the finite base) is that the learner would know the primigenium and then apply the abstract rule for inflection and get, from the basis of 100 primigenia, the 5,000 forms --what were the numbers V. quotes anyway? thanks-- while no positing of an indo-european common base Greek and Latin, and working only on Latin, C. may be having in mind the LEARNER of the language -- and perhaps the anomalous forms. "He goed to church" -- the anomalous 'went' for which there would be cases in Latin, as also applied to declensions (in this case, say, the plural remains the same as the singular, hence CLASSES of declensions?) Thanks I think you're right that Cosconius' interest is probably much more pedagogical and practical than metaphysical. The number Varro gives, citing Cosconius, is:  about 1,000 primitive words (primigenia) yielding about 500,000 verbal distinctions/forms (verborum discrimina) through declension. [jstor.org]  The ratio itself is striking: roughly 500 forms per primitive item if interpreted arithmetically, although Varro does not explain the exact calculation in the surviving quotation. The passage merely states the figures. [jstor.org] What I like about your interpretation is that Cosconius seems less concerned with an abstract infinity of expressions than with a finite learner's problem:  How can a Roman learn a language whose actual surface forms appear innumerable?  His answer appears to be:  Learn the primigenia and the rules of declension.  That is very close to what a Greek grammarian or a Latin schoolmaster would tell a student.  Analogy versus anomaly This fits beautifully into Varro's larger interests. Varro's grammatical writings include discussions of:  regularity (similitudo, analogy), irregularity (anomalia), word formation, declension.  So your example:  goed versus went  is exactly the sort of distinction that later grammarians would care about. A purely analogical system would generate:  go → goed  but the language contains:  go → went.  Likewise Latin has paradigms that fail to behave as expected. So the learner must know:  the primitive lexical item, the productive rule, the exceptions.   Greek and dual forms Your suggestion about Greek is also sensible as a historical reconstruction. I found no source saying Cosconius had Greek specifically in mind, but any educated Roman grammarian lived in a world deeply influenced by Greek grammatical thought. Varro himself was steeped in Greek learning. And Greek supplied additional complications:  dual number, more elaborate verbal paradigms, many irregular forms.  So from a learner's perspective, the attraction of a theory based on a limited stock of primitives is obvious.  A very un-Gricean and a very Gricean wonder Cosconius seems impressed by:  few bases → many forms.  Grice is impressed by:  few symbols and rules → indefinitely many utterances and meanings.  So I would formulate the contrast like this: Cosconius  Pauca primigenia, multae formae. "Few primitive words, many forms."  Grice  Pauca verba, infinitae fere sententiae. "Few words, potentially unbounded sentences."  The former is largely a theory of morphological productivity; the latter is a theory of linguistic productivity in general. And yes, the pedagogical angle may be the key. Cosconius sounds less like Aristotle contemplating the apeiron and more like a Roman teacher saying:  "You need not memorize half a million forms individually; learn the underlying system." And interestingly, V. does not give examples for C.'s 1 --> 50. But do we have examples of anomalous, say, declension? I don't think so. Such anomaly would INCREASE the number, I would think. Only on a regular nonanomalous system can a calculation proceed orderly. There is also the subtlety that a casus C1 and a casus C2 may realise in the same expression yet have to be perceived as different casi or casus for purpose of comprehension? Thanks I think that's exactly the sort of question Varro himself would have asked Cosconius. The remarkable thing about the surviving quotation is that Varro gives us the result:  about 1,000 primigenia → about 500,000 verborum discrimina,  but not the intermediate arithmetic. [jstor.org] So we are left reconstructing what sort of combinatorics Cosconius had in mind. Analogy requires regularity Your point is important. If Cosconius is trying to calculate the number of forms obtainable from primitive words, then he must be assuming a largely regular system. Otherwise there is no neat multiplication. Something like:  root × cases root × genders root × numbers root × verbal persons root × tenses  gives a calculable result. Anomalies are troublesome because they are not generated by the general rule. Indeed, one could argue that anomalies increase the burden on the learner, but they do not necessarily increase the elegance of the calculation. A Roman grammarian interested in analogia would therefore naturally begin from regular paradigms. Homonymy of forms Your second point is even more interesting. In Latin, two different cases can sometimes have the same phonetic shape. For example, in many declensions:  nominative plural and vocative plural coincide, dative and ablative often coincide, neuter nominative and accusative coincide.  The form may be identical while the grammatical function differs. A modern linguist would distinguish:                  LevelExampleformservisanalysisdative plural or ablative plural Thus a single surface form may correspond to more than one casus. So if Cosconius is counting:  verborum discrimina  the question becomes:  Is he counting distinct sounds/forms?  or  distinct grammatical values?  Varro's wording does not settle this. A Gricean observation This connects unexpectedly with Grice. Suppose:  servis  is uttered. The hearer must determine whether it is:  dative plural, ablative plural.  The physical expression underdetermines the grammatical role. Context supplies the resolution. In Gricean terms, the same form supports multiple interpretations which the hearer must recover from surrounding information. So one might say: Cosconius  One form may realise several cases.  Grice  One utterance may realise several candidate meanings.  The deeper difference I suspect Cosconius is asking:  How many forms can the language generate from a finite stock?  while Grice asks:  How many interpretations can speakers generate from a finite stock of forms?  The second number is much harder to bound. Indeed, once you admit conjunctions, embeddings, and conversational inference, Grice moves into the realm of potential infinity, whereas Cosconius seems satisfied with a very large finite combinatorial estimate. And I agree with you that the existence of syncretism (one form realising multiple cases) complicates Cosconius' arithmetic considerably. It suggests that what he is counting as discrimina may be grammatical distinctions rather than merely distinct audible forms. The surviving fragment unfortunately doesn't tell us which. [jstor.org] The servis example is great -- for C. does not seem to be focused on well-formed full expressions that may be the vehicle for an utterer having meant that... p. Can you provide an example with your 'servis' where it gives two readings which are distinct in what the utterer may have meant -- as per -that'? I can think of Grice complaining that Berlin once complain that all that Hardie (their tutor) said, was "What do you mean by 'of'? In 'the fear of the ememis' timor hostis -- we have one inflected form, and yet TWO meanings: objective genetive, subjective genitive. But can you also work on your servis dative/and ablative? Thanks Yes, and I think this gets us much closer to a genuinely Gricean issue than Cosconius himself probably intended. The servis example is useful precisely because Cosconius seems interested in forms and declensions, whereas Grice is interested in what an utterer meant-that-p. Hardie's "of" Your example from Hardie is the cleaner one. Take:  timor hostium  or  timor hostis  depending on the form. A Roman grammarian would identify:  genitive.  But then comes the deeper question: Subjective genitive  timor hostium "the enemies' fear"  meaning:  the enemies are afraid.  Formally:  HOSTES fear someone.  Objective genitive  timor hostium "fear of the enemies"  meaning:  someone fears the enemies.  Formally:  someone fears HOSTES.  Same syntactic form. Different proposition. Different what is meant-that. This is much closer to Grice than to Cosconius.  Now for servis The neat thing is that:  servis  may be either  dative plural ablative plural  with identical surface form. So imagine:  Librum servis dedi.  This strongly suggests: Reading A (dative)  "I gave the book to the slaves."  Here:  servis = indirect object.  The utterer means:  the slaves are recipients.   Now compare:  Cum servis veni.  Reading B (ablative)  "I came with the slaves."  Here:  servis = accompaniment.  The utterer means:  the slaves accompany me.   But those are different sentences. Let us produce something closer to your worry. Consider:  Servis auxilium tuli.  Normally: Dative reading  "I brought help to the slaves."  The slaves are beneficiaries.  But suppose we had a more elliptical context where the morphology alone is all we know:  servis  The hearer still does not know:  recipients? beneficiaries? accompaniment? means?  The form underdetermines the grammatical role.  The Gricean step Cosconius would probably say:  one form, two possible cases.  Grice would say:  one linguistic vehicle, multiple possible propositions.  The hearer recovers the intended one via context. Exactly as with:  timor hostium  where morphology alone does not determine whether the enemies fear or are feared.  A nice contrast                      CosconiusGriceservis = dative or ablativeWhat proposition is being conveyed?grammatical ambiguityspeaker's meaningcase analysisintention analysis So Hardie's obsession with:  "What do you mean by of?"  is really a move from Cosconian grammar to Gricean philosophy. The grammarian asks:  Which case relation is this?  The philosopher asks:  Which thought is being expressed?  And timor hostium is a perfect example because there is one form and one genitive construction, but two distinct propositions an utterer may mean. Servis gives a parallel phenomenon at the level of case morphology: one form realizes two grammatical possibilities, which context must resolve. Or suppose: latin for: the general perceived the fear of the enemies. As an utterance, the utterer meant that p, or the utterer meant that q. Yet Cosconius would just wonder about the primigenium and the derivation -- his unit of analysis is not the'expression' type as vehicle for this or that signification. C. would say that 'timor hostis' -- in that expression, all the learner need to know is that hostis is GENITIVE -- and leave the objective/subjective construal as a matter of pragmatics or context -- while allowing that it each reading would be expanding on a form that would have either 'hostes' in nominative (the enemy fears) o accusative (the troops fear the enemy)? Thanks Yes, I think that's exactly the distinction. Cosconius, at least as he appears in Varro, seems to be operating at the level of:  primigenia (basic lexical items), declinationes (inflectional processes), discrimina (grammatical distinctions generated thereby).  His interest is closer to:  How does hostis generate hostis, hostem, hosti, hostium, etc.?  than to:  What proposition does a speaker convey by uttering timor hostium?  The latter is much closer to Grice. Take your example:  dux timorem hostium sensit "the general perceived the fear of the enemies"  This allows two classical readings. Subjective genitive  hostium = the experiencers of fear.  Expansion:  hostes timent. "the enemies are afraid."  Thus:  The general perceived the enemies' fear.  Objective genitive  hostium = the object feared.  Expansion:  alii hostes timent. "others fear the enemies."  Thus:  The general perceived fear of the enemies.  The surface phrase:  timor hostium  is unchanged. The proposition changes.  I suspect Cosconius would say something like:  The learner must know that hostium is a genitive plural of hostis.  His job is done. The further question:  Is this a subjective genitive or an objective genitive?  belongs to interpretation. And that is where a Gricean enters. Grice asks:  What did the utterer mean-that?  Cosconius asks:  What form is this, and from which primigenium was it derived?   In modern terms:                          CosconiusGricemorphologyspeaker meaninghostium is genitive pluralwhat does timor hostium convey here?derivation from hostisinterpretation of the whole expressionlinguistic formcommunicated proposition So I think your formulation is very plausible: Cosconius would likely treat  hostis → hostium  as the relevant grammatical fact, while leaving the subjective/objective distinction to context, discourse, and interpretation. Indeed, the ambiguity only becomes visible once one moves from isolated forms to complete expressions used by speakers. That's why the problem feels much more Gricean than Cosconian. For Cosconius, the crucial relation is between root and inflected form; for Grice, it is between utterance and meant proposition.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cosenzo – Ossia:  Grice e Cosenzo -- Grex – verbalia: Cosenzo. The Consenzi are a  family at ancient Rome.  Others are known from inscriptions.  Consentius, named along with persons called Aurelianus and Rufianus in an inscription from Savaria in Pannonia Superior, dating between the first and third centuries.[2] Gaius Consentius Exoratus, named in an inscription from Brixia in Venetia and Histria, dedicated to Minerva.[3] C., a poet praised by Sidonius Apollinaris. He married a daughter of the consul Jovianus. He, his son, or his grandson may be the same as the grammarian Publius C..[4][5][6] C., son of the poet C., rose to high honour under Valentinian III, by whom he was named Comes Palatii and dispatched upon an important mission to Theodosius II. He may be the same as the grammarian Publius C..[7] C., grandson of the poet, and likewise praised by Sidonius Apollinaris, devoted himself to literary leisure and the enjoyments of a rural life.[8] Publius C., a Latin grammarian, and author of two treatises that are still extant. He is generally thought to be identical with the poet C., his son, or his grandson, but it is not certain which.[1][9] See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, pp. 827–828 ("Consentius").  CIL III, 14360,20.  CIL V, 4273.  Sidonius Apollinaris (1887). "Carmina, 23. Ad Consentium". In Lütjohann, Christian (ed.). Epistulae et carmina. Berlin: Weidmann. pp. 250–261.  Sidonius Apollinaris (1915). "Book viii, letter 4. To his friend Consentius". In Dalton, O. M. (ed.). The Letters of Sidonius. Oxford: Clarendon Press. vol. 2, pp. 142–144.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, p. 828 ("Consentius", No. 1).  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, p. 828 ("Consentius", No. 2).  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, p. 828 ("Consentius", No. 3).  Fabricius, Johann Albert (1773–1774). Ernesti, Johann August (ed.). Bibliotheca latina. Leipzig: Weidmanns Erben und Reich. vol. 3, p. 411. Bibliography Gaius Sollius Modestus Apollinaris Sidonius, Epistulae. Johann Albert Fabricius, Bibliotheca Latina, sive Notitia Auctorum Veterum Latinorum (The Latin Library, or Knowledge of Ancient Latin Authors), Weidmanns Erben und Reich, Leipzig (1773–1774). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). Theodor Mommsen et alii, Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum (The Body of Latin Inscriptions, abbreviated CIL), Berlin-Brandenburgische Akademie der Wissenschaften (1853–present).  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). "Consentius". Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology.  Category: Roman gentes well for this gens, the author of these 'two grammatical treatises still extant' sounds interesting? More about him? Thanks  

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cosenzo – Ossia:  Grice e Cosenzo -- Grex – verbalia: Cosenzo. Yes — Publius Consentius is considerably more interesting than the brief gens entry suggests. The two extant treatises are:  Ars de duabus partibus orationis, nomine et verbo ("On the Two Parts of Speech, the Noun and the Verb"). [en.wikipedia.org], [online-lat...ionary.com] Ars de barbarismis et metaplasmis ("On Barbarisms and Metaplasms"). [en.wikipedia.org], [online-lat...ionary.com]  The second work even refers to a third treatise:  De structurarum ratione ("On the Structure of Sentences"),  which no longer survives. [en.wikipedia.org], [online-lat...ionary.com] For a Gricean, that lost title is tantalizing: from nouns and verbs to sentence structure is precisely the move from lexical items toward complete expressions. Why Consentius is philosophically interesting What surprised me most is that modern scholars have noticed ideas in Consentius that sound unexpectedly modern. One source notes that he explicitly distinguishes:  the word itself and the thing signified by it,  i.e. something rather like the later distinction between signifier and signified. [en.wikipedia.org], [online-lat...ionary.com] That is much closer to philosophy of language than one usually expects from a late Latin grammarian.  The De barbarismis treatise This may actually be the more valuable work historically. According to the Oxford thesis devoted to it, the work is:  the most extensive discussion of linguistic deviations in the Latin grammatical tradition,  including mistakes, spoken forms, and poetic licences. [ora.ox.ac.uk] Even more interestingly, Consentius discusses errors occurring in spoken Latin, preserving evidence for non-standard speech and developments that anticipate Romance languages. [ora.ox.ac.uk] In other words, he is not merely prescribing correct Latin; he is observing what people actually say. That is very much the sort of thing Grice would appreciate.  A contrast with Cosconius I'd put it like this:                          CosconiusConsentiusHow many forms can be generated from primitive words?What happens when speakers depart from accepted forms?Morphological productivityLinguistic variation and errorDeclinatioUsageSystemPractice Cosconius sounds rather Varrovian. Consentius sounds almost proto-sociolinguistic.  A Grice–Consentius vignette CONSENTIVS  Alii male loquuntur.  "Some people speak incorrectly." GRICEVS  Et tamen intelleguntur.  "And yet they are understood." CONSENTIVS  Ita.  "Indeed." GRICEVS  Ergo aliud est grammatica, aliud communicatio.  "Then grammar and communication are different things." That is precisely where a Gricean would begin: successful communication frequently survives departures from ideal grammar. So if I were choosing a representative Consentius for a Grice e Consenzio dialogue, I would focus not on the noun-and-verb treatise but on De barbarismis et metaplasmis, because that is where language is observed in use rather than merely classified. [ora.ox.ac.uk], [en.wikipedia.org] And what would a metaplasmus be? The fact of Romance originator seems to be the great fear here -- while Varro and Cosconio could wander how from 100 primigenia we get 5,000 inflected forms, this poor man has to deal with corruptions. Davidson in fact wrote a piece for Grice on that, on malaprops, and titled, 'a nice derangement of epitaphs' on which Grice however failed to comment. But he does consider cases where an utterer may mistakenly think that some form means M when in fact means M' and utters the form, and Grice still alllows that what the utterer means TRUMPS what the expression means. But not realistic examples from Oxford -- can we know more of who wrote the Oxford thesis -- I would think it was submitted to the Literae Humaniores? Thanks -- also the 'ratione' as you say, interesting, especially since C. seems to have in mind 'logos' and just translate it as 'ratio' -- whereas 'sententia' was also used in the period (even if more involved with what someone 'senses' and what the 'sensus' is?) -- that he focuses on ONLY TWO PARS OF SPEECH nomen/verbum is idiotic in that in true Roman it was all VERBA. Grice only considers nominals ("Fido is shaggy") and never ventures into verbs -- which aas Humpty Dumpty knows, they are the trickiest! Thanks You've put your finger on what makes Consentius much more Gricean than Cosconius. Cosconius is interested in:  How many forms can be generated from a finite set of roots?  Consentius is interested in:  What happens when speakers fail to generate the "correct" forms?  That is much closer to Grice, Davidson, and ordinary communication. What is a metaplasmus? A metaplasmus is not simply a mistake. In the grammatical tradition, it is an alteration of a word's form, often for poetic, metrical, or stylistic reasons. By contrast, a barbarismus is usually treated as an error or non-standard form. Very roughly:  barbarismus = linguistic mistake or deviation from accepted usage. metaplasmus = deliberate reshaping of a word accepted in poetry or rhetoric.  The Oxford thesis you allude to says that Consentius' discussion of metaplasms is deeply embedded in the Latin grammatical tradition and is especially important for understanding how grammarians viewed poetic language and archaisms. So Consentius is not merely cataloguing errors; he is trying to discriminate:  genuine corruption  from  licensed poetic transformation.   Consentius and Davidson Your comparison with Davidson's A Nice Derangement of Epitaphs is excellent. Consentius asks:  Why did the speaker produce this odd form?  Davidson asks:  Suppose the speaker consistently uses the wrong form—can communication still succeed?  Grice would almost certainly answer:  yes, provided we can recover what the utterer meant.  Suppose someone says:  "He went to the liberry."  The expression is "wrong." Yet the hearer understands:  library.  Communication succeeds. Consentius would classify. Grice would interpret. Davidson would ask whether there was ever a stable linguistic rule to begin with.  The Oxford thesis The thesis cited in the search results is by:  Tommaso Mari  and is entitled:  Consentius' De barbarismis et metaplasmis: Critical edition, translation, and commentary (University of Oxford, 2016).  The search result identifies it as an Oxford PhD thesis. It does not specify whether it was submitted through Literae Humaniores, Classics, or another Oxford faculty structure, so I cannot safely say more.  De structurarum ratione I agree this is a fascinating title. The surviving evidence says that De barbarismis et metaplasmis refers to a lost treatise:  De structurarum ratione.  The title literally suggests something like:  "On the rationale/principle/structure of constructions."  You're right that ratio here may be translating something roughly akin to Greek logos in the sense of rule, account, principle, or ordered explanation. What is striking is that Consentius moves from:  noun and verb, errors and transformations, structure.  That looks increasingly like a move from isolated words toward larger linguistic units.  Why only noun and verb? The title:  Ars de duabus partibus orationis, nomine et verbo  does look astonishingly restrictive to a modern linguist. But perhaps that is precisely why it is interesting. You joke that:  in true Roman it was all verba.  Quite so. And Grice, as you note, spends remarkable amounts of time with examples such as:  "Fido is shaggy"  where the noun phrase and predication do most of the philosophical work. The irony is that Consentius may actually have taken the verb more seriously than many twentieth-century philosophers. A Roman grammarian is forced to confront:  tense, mood, person, number, voice,  all living in the verb. The adjective shaggy is easy. The verb promises, orders, commands, asks, permits—those are where Austin and Grice eventually make their fortunes. One might almost formulate it thus:  Cosconius studies how forms proliferate from roots. Consentius studies how forms deviate from norms. Grice studies how meanings proliferate from intentions.  That strikes me as a very neat historical progression. I am NOT surprised that an italian (Tommaso Mari) would be interested? Do we know of birth place of Cosentius -- because since he was in the Sidonius circle he may have been a Gaul? As for metaplasmus, Grice quotes "Methinks the lady doth protest too much" in brackets when discssing over-supply of evidence. Here the point is that we HAVE to quote shakespeare as Shakespeare uttered stuff? Thanks I think your instinct about Gaul is actually closer to the evidence than Italy. What I found is:  Consentius is generally placed in the mid-fifth century. He is connected by the sources to the Consentius family praised by Sidonius Apollinaris. One modern Oxford thesis states that Consentius probably lived in Gaul in the fifth century. Another tradition places him at Constantinople, but the identification with the poet, his son, or grandson remains uncertain.  So I can safely say:  I found support for a Gallic location in modern scholarship, but I did not find a source specifying a birthplace.   On metaplasmus and Shakespeare: This is a lovely Gricean connection. A metaplasm is not merely an error. It can be an intentional reshaping of a word for poetic, stylistic, metrical, or literary purposes. Suppose someone "corrected" Shakespeare's:  Methinks the lady doth protest too much.  into modern English. One would lose something important. A grammarian like Consentius would be interested precisely in forms that depart from ordinary usage yet are justified by literary tradition. The point is not:  "This differs from standard speech."  but rather:  "Why is this deviation licensed?"  That is very close to the distinction Consentius draws between mere barbarism and accepted literary transformation. A Gricean reformulation might be:  The expression means what it does partly because Shakespeare used that form.  The hearer is expected to recover the author's intention through the historically given wording, not through a normalized paraphrase. In that sense, Consentius and Grice are unexpectedly close. Consentius asks:  Why doesn't the poet speak like ordinary people?  Grice asks:  What did the speaker mean by speaking this way rather than another?  The first question is grammatical; the second is philosophical. But they meet over precisely those non-standard forms that a metaplasmist would love and a schoolmaster might want to "correct." In Grice's "Methinks..." I would think in Shakespeare's time, that would be appropriate and normal (as per Hamlet). Grice then in his 1960s Oxford lectures on conversation says something like: "If the oversupply of information is thought of undesigned the issue arises as to whether it was meant (Cf. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much.")." Grice is relying on his addressee to pick up the Shakespeare reference, accpept the archaism (cf. "Thou shalt not kill") and move on? Thanks Yes, I think that's exactly how Grice expects the example to work. In Shakespeare's Hamlet:  The lady doth protest too much, methinks.  the phrase is not an error, nor (for Shakespeare) a metaplasm in the sense of a deviation from ordinary educated English. It was perfectly intelligible Elizabethan/Jacobean English. The archaism is ours, not Shakespeare's. When Grice cites:  "(Cf. 'Methinks the lady doth protest too much')"  in the Oxford lectures, he is relying on several layers of shared cultural competence.  The audience recognizes the quotation as Shakespeare. The audience accepts the archaic form without stopping to parse it grammatically. The audience recalls the point of the quotation:  excessive protestation may itself be evidence against sincerity.    So Grice is not interested in:  methinks = "it seems to me"  as a lexical item. He is interested in the inference. His thought is roughly:  If an utterer supplies conspicuously more evidence than the situation appears to require, the hearer may wonder whether the over-supply itself conveys something.  Hence:  "The lady protests too much."  The excess becomes evidential. That is very close to Grice's general idea that departures from conversational economy invite interpretation.  Interestingly, this puts Grice closer to Shakespeare than to Consentius. Consentius might ask:  Why is the form methinks used?  Grice asks:  Why is the quotation invoked here?  The answer is not grammatical but pragmatic. The quotation itself functions as a compact cultural signal:  over-insistence may undermine credibility.   And yes, I think your comparison with:  Thou shalt not kill  is apt. An Oxford audience in the 1960s would simply process the archaism and move on. The meaning is not blocked by the obsolete morphology; indeed the archaism may enhance the rhetorical force because the expression comes with literary and cultural authority. A Gricean way of putting it would be:  The hearer's task is not to recover the meaning of methinks; it is to recover why Grice chose that quotation at that point in the argument.  That is a question of speaker's meaning rather than word meaning. And as a philosopher Grice would not care if unthinkingly, he got the syntax wrong: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" being the original -- whereas Grice quotes it as "Methinks the lady doth protest too much". Note that the 'doth' is even more archaic or just as archaic as the 'methinks'? Thanks -- in Cosenzo's days, even in Gaul or Constantinople, he wouldn't have a clue as if the speaker was ignorant, archaic -- or what -- which reminds me of Trudgill when writing about dialects of England: the NORMS, which stands for 'n', OLDER, RURAL, -- etc. I forget -- M for male -- as prone to use more conservative forms. Wasn't there a famous CODEX that listed barbarisms (so-called) Probi -- with forms that generated 'romance' forms. Strictly 'solecism' is something C. could have used, since it refers to Solos, the town, and so the issue is idiotic -- since a native of Solos cannot speak improperly. Barbar is even more improper, because that applied to a Greek listening to a Turk -- bar-bar, not to a Roman as such? Thanks Yes, I think there are several distinct issues here. 1. Grice misquotes Shakespeare — and doesn't care The original in Hamlet is:  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."  Grice's Oxford-style citation:  "Methinks the lady doth protest too much"  reverses the order. For a grammarian such as Consentius, that might matter. For Grice, almost certainly not. The quotation is functioning as a cultural pointer, not as a textual object. Grice expects the audience to recover:  excessive insistence can itself become evidence against sincerity.  The exact syntactic placement of methinks is irrelevant to that pragmatic lesson.  2. Doth and methinks You're also right that modern readers often notice methinks, but:  doth  is just as archaic to us. Historically:  doth = third-person singular of do. methinks = literally something like "it seems to me."  Both survive largely because Shakespeare and the Bible preserve them. A Gricean audience does not stop to analyze either form. The forms are processed as part of the literary quotation and the inferential point is recovered.  3. Consentius' problem: error, archaism, or dialect? This is where Consentius becomes fascinating. Suppose he encounters a form differing from educated literary Latin. How is he to classify it? Is it:  a barbarism? an archaism? a regionalism? a poetic licence (metaplasmus)? ordinary spoken usage?  That is precisely why De barbarismis et metaplasmis is so valuable. Modern scholars have noted that it preserves evidence for spoken and non-standard Latin, including forms that anticipate Romance developments. In other words, Consentius is confronting something rather like what Trudgill later confronted:  the same form may be viewed as error, dialect, conservatism, or innovation depending on one's perspective.   4. The Appendix Probi I suspect this is very much what you're thinking of. The famous Appendix Probi contains entries of the form:  speculum non speclum vetulus non veclus  and many others. The grammarian intends:  "Don't say X; say Y."  But for historical linguists these "mistakes" are gold because they often foreshadow Romance forms. So the educator sees:  corruption.  The linguist sees:  language change.  Consentius belongs to the same intellectual world.  5. Barbarism and solecism Your etymological point is excellent. A solecism derives from Greek discussion of the speech of Soli in Cilicia. A barbarism derives from the Greek perception of foreign speech as:  bar-bar-bar.  The irony is obvious: A native speaker of Soli speaks exactly as people in Soli speak. A Greek grammarian nevertheless labels certain usages "solecisms." Likewise: A "barbarian" is simply somebody speaking another language. Thus both terms are already theory-laden and evaluative. A Gricean would immediately ask:  Error according to whom?  And that question is very close to what modern sociolinguistics asks.  A Grice–Consentius contrast CONSENTIVS  Hoc barbarismus est. "This is a barbarism."  GRICEVS  Intellexistine quid dixerit? "Did you understand what he said?"  CONSENTIVS  Intellexi. "I did."  GRICEVS  Tum res magis philosophica fit. "Then the matter becomes more philosophical."  That, I think, is the point where Consentius the grammarian and Grice the philosopher would start talking past one another—while remaining fascinated by the same linguistic phenomenon. I am surprised about Mari, because it seems TO ITALIANS, such issues were less key than for PROVINCIALS from Gaul o Constantinople -- becasue they needed the authority of the center ofwhich they were periphery -- whereas Rome was such a mess linguistically that even attempting wasn't worth the try!? Thanks -- and note that the most prestigious PRESCRITPVIE organon, the Crusca, arose in Tuscany and to prove the Romans wrong! (But then Mari presented the thesis at Oxford, already barbarian territory for a Roman -- Boum Vadis, Ox-ford. Thnks I think there is a delicious irony there, but I'd formulate it a little differently. What we can actually support from the evidence is:  Consentius was probably active in the fifth century and is associated in various ways with the Sidonius Apollinaris circle; modern scholarship has even suggested a Gallic setting for him, while other traditions associate him with Constantinople. The evidence is not decisive. His surviving work is unusually interested in deviations from classical norms (barbarismi) and linguistic reshaping (metaplasmi). Modern scholars value the work because it preserves evidence for spoken and non-standard Latin and even phenomena later reflected in Romance languages.  Now, philosophically, your observation is very plausible. The closer one is to the centre, the easier it is to be relaxed about norms. The farther one is from the centre, the more one may want a codified standard. A Roman aristocrat of the late Republic could say:  "This is how people speak."  A fifth-century intellectual in Gaul or Constantinople might ask:  "But what is the correct Latin?"  That is not something I can document directly for Consentius, but it is a reasonable sociolinguistic reflection. Indeed, the paradox of the history of language is often that:  the guardians of purity preserve the evidence of impurity.  Without grammarians like Consentius, we would know much less about the linguistic developments that became French, Spanish, Italian, and so on. As for Mari, the irony is even better than the one you mention. A modern Italian scholar writes a dissertation on a late Latin grammarian, and submits it at Oxford; the thesis is now an important modern study of a text concerned with linguistic deviations from classical norms. A Gricean Consentius might smile at that. One further point: your comparison with the Accademia della Crusca is suggestive. Consentius and the Crusca share a family resemblance: both are interested in distinguishing accepted usage from deviations. But the modern linguist who studies Consentius is often interested in precisely the forms that Consentius himself wished to classify or correct. In that sense, history has reversed the hierarchy. Consentius: "This form is a barbarism." Modern linguist: "Excellent—please give me ten more examples." That's one reason why De barbarismis et metaplasmis remains so valuable.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cossinio – Ossia: Grice e Cossinio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cossinio. The Cossinii are a family at Rome. The gens originated at Tibur, and came to Rome. None of its members ever obtained the higher offices of the state. Lucius C., of Tibur, received the Roman franchise in consequence of the condemnation of Titus Celio, whom he had accused. He may be the same C. who was a legate of Publius Varinius, and who fell in battle against Spartacus, in 73 BC.[2][3] Lucius C. L. f., an eques, and friend of Tullio Cicero, Atticus, and Varro. Cicero mentions his death, and expresses his grief at his loss.[4][5] Lucius Cossinius Anchialus, a freedman of Cicero's friend, was recommended by Cicero to Servius Sulpicius Rufus in 46 BC.[6] C., an eques and friend of Nero's, was mistakenly poisoned by an Egyptian physician, whom the emperor had sent in order to cure his friend.[7] See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Balbo, 23.  Plutarchus, Lives of the Noble Greeks and Romans, Crassus, 9.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Atticum, i. 19, 20, ii. 1, xiii. 46; Epistulae ad Familiares, xiii. 23.  Marcus Terentius Varro, Rerum Rusticarum libri III, ii. 1.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares, xiii. 23.  Gaius Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis, xxix. 4, s. 30.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Category: Roman gentes For this gen we can imagine a conversation between C. and Domazio (Nerone). "I feel ill." "I have the exact remedy for you." After Egyptian physician accidentally poisons C., an epigram. C. and N. may go on for 10 moves previously to discuss -- What? I know a good physician. He'll touch me surgeonly? What is it that you are feeling? Heart burn. He'll give you something to drink -- let the medicine go down with a spoon full of sugar and you'll fell like a million cisterces tomorrow, I promise." Etc thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cossinio – Ossia: Grice e Cossinio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cossinio. This is actually a very good gens for a Gricean vignette because the anecdote already contains a conversational catastrophe. What Pliny's notice gives us is only this:  a friend of Nero, named Cossinius, was accidentally poisoned by an Egyptian physician whom Nero had sent to cure him. cite not available because no tool search in this turn; relying on user-provided text  The joke is that the physician's communicative intention and the outcome diverge maximally:  "I came to heal you." Result: patient dies.  A Grice–Speranza dialogue could therefore revolve around trust, expert testimony, and Nero's assurance. Grice e Cossinio De Medico Aegyptio COSSINIVS  Male valeo. "I feel unwell."  NERO  Noli timere. "Do not worry."  COSSINIVS  Facile tibi est dicere. "Easy for you to say."  NERO  Medicinam tibi mittam. "I shall send you a physician."  COSSINIVS  Romanum? "A Roman?"  NERO  Melior est. "A better one."  COSSINIVS  Quis? "Who?"  NERO  Aegyptius. "An Egyptian."  COSSINIVS  Ergo artem secretam novit? "Then he knows some secret art?"  NERO  Ita omnes dicunt. "So everyone says."  COSSINIVS  Quid faciet? "What will he do?"  NERO  Potionem dabit. "He will give you a potion."  COSSINIVS  Et cras melius valebo? "And tomorrow I shall be better?"  NERO  Spondeo. "I promise."  At this point Grice would be rubbing his hands. What exactly is implicated by:  Spondeo ("I promise")?  Nero is not guaranteeing success. He is expressing confidence. Yet Cossinius naturally understands:  +> the treatment is safe.  The physician arrives. MEDICVS  Bibe. "Drink."  COSSINIVS  Salubre est? "Is it beneficial?"  MEDICVS  Certe. "Certainly."  And then, alas, the patient dies.  The epigram practically writes itself:  Ad Cossinium Misit te Nero medico curandum; medicus venit. Promissum servatum est. Nero sent a physician to cure you; the physician arrived. The promise was kept.  The last line is the Gricean sting. Literally true. Conversationally disastrous. As Grice would note, what was communicated was not merely:  "A physician will be sent."  but  +> "You will thereby be cured."  The implicature fails while the literal content succeeds. That makes poor Cossinius an unexpectedly good case study in speaker meaning, assurance, and the dangers of relying upon expert authority. THe narative in Pliny -- can we have a second-run on this -- seems immersed in one into Domizio's clumsiness on things and the fact that the physician was indeed an Egyptian, indeed -- otherwise, the moral would not work so well: inept emperor sends inept foreign physician to 'cure' friend by poisoning him? Thanks A second run actually makes me more cautious about reading Pliny's anecdote as a satire on Nero's incompetence. The problem is that the concise notices about Cossinius generally preserve only the core fact:  Nero's friend Cossinius was accidentally poisoned by an Egyptian physician whom Nero had sent to cure him. The story is attributed to Pliny (Naturalis Historia 29.4.30 in the gens entry).  What I did not find in the sources I searched was the full Plinian context explaining whether Pliny's target is:  Nero, Egyptian medicine, physicians in general, or merely a memorable medical mishap.  So I would not want to claim more than the evidence presently supports. That said, your literary reading is attractive. If the physician is explicitly:  an Egyptian physician,  then the anecdote fits a broader Roman fascination with (and sometimes suspicion of) exotic expertise. The sting of the story becomes:  Nero sends the renowned foreign expert; the patient dies.  But that is an interpretation. I did not find a source explicitly saying that Pliny's moral is "inept emperor + inept foreign doctor." The sources I found do not state that. What is distinctly Gricean is that Nero's message may be reconstructed as:  "I am sending the best possible physician."  while the literal action is merely:  "I am sending a physician."  The conversational implication fails spectacularly. Your dialogue therefore has real merit: COSSINIVS  Male valeo. "I feel ill."  NERO  Medicum optimum mittam. "I'll send the best doctor."  COSSINIVS  Ergo salvus ero. "Then I'll recover."  And the Gricean punchline is that the second sentence is never actually said; it is inferred. One caution, though: until we have the full Pliny passage itself, I think we should distinguish carefully between:  what Pliny explicitly says, and the richer satirical moral we might infer from the anecdote.  In this case, the latter is plausible, but I haven't found textual evidence strong enough to attribute it confidently to Pliny himself. Does this help below? Because we can have the prior conversation C/Domizio -- alla Grice" Those spots mean measles" -- this skin problem (X) is best treated by this herb Y -- because there is a causal link etc -- thanks and the physician knows what he is doing ''Those spots meant nothing to me; to the doctor they meant measles (virux X) curable by vaccine (herb) Y? Thanks -- Pliny the Elder records that a Roman knight, Cossinius, was killed after an Egyptian doctor, summoned by Emperor Nero to treat a skin condition (lichen), prescribed a fatal potion made from blister beetles (cantharides). The text, found in Naturalis Historia 29.33, reads: "Cossinium equitem Romanum amicitia Neronis principis notum, cum is lichene correptus esset, vocatus ex Aegypto medicus ob hanc valetudinem eius a Caesare, cum cantharidum potu praeparare voluisset, interemit". For more details, visit Academia.edu. [1] Yes — this helps a great deal, because now we have the actual Plinian anecdote rather than the compressed dictionary summary. The Latin you quote is:  Cossinium equitem Romanum amicitia Neronis principis notum, cum is lichene correptus esset, vocatus ex Aegypto medicus ob hanc valetudinem eius a Caesare, cum cantharidum potu praeparare voluisset, interemit.  A fairly literal rendering would be:  "Cossinius, a Roman knight known through his friendship with the emperor Nero, having been afflicted with lichen, a physician summoned from Egypt by the Caesar on account of this illness, while wishing to prepare a drink of cantharides for him, killed him."  The passage explicitly tells us:  Cossinius was a friend of Nero. He suffered from lichen (a skin disorder). Nero had a physician summoned from Egypt. The physician attempted treatment with cantharides (blister beetles). The treatment killed him.  Nothing more is explicitly stated in the sentence. So we should be careful not to attribute to Pliny a satire on Nero unless the wider context supports it. Still, the conversational structure is already quite Gricean. The epistemic chain Cossinius sees:  spots, lesions, irritation.  The physician sees:  symptoms of a disease.  The physician therefore infers:  treatment T is appropriate.  Cossinius cannot evaluate that inference himself. He relies on the physician's expertise. That yields the chain:  symptoms → diagnosis → therapy → expected cure  But one link fails. A Gricean reconstruction might be: COSSINIVS  Quid sibi volunt hae maculae? "What do these spots mean?"  MEDICVS  Signa morbi sunt. "They are signs of a disease."  COSSINIVS  Ergo remedium est? "Then there is a remedy?"  MEDICVS  Est. "There is."  COSSINIVS  Et sanabor? "And I shall be cured?"  The doctor never literally says:  "You will certainly recover."  But Cossinius naturally infers it. That is the conversational implicature. Why Grice would like it The doctor's utterances have two layers: What is said  "This condition is treated by cantharides."  What is implicated  "Therefore taking this medicine is in your interest."  The tragedy is that the implication fails. The physician's expertise generates a reasonable expectation, but reality refuses to cooperate. A medical version of speaker's meaning The physician's act is not merely linguistic. He is communicating by prescription:  "Take this."  The recommendation itself conveys:  "I believe this will help."  The patient relies on that proposition whether or not it is explicitly uttered. So the anecdote becomes almost a parable:  the patient cannot directly perceive the disease; he must trust an authority who interprets the symptoms.  That is much closer to Grice's interest in evidence, inference, and reliance than to a simple story about poisoning. And yes, the fact that the physician is Egyptian matters narratively because Pliny explicitly mentions Egypt. What I can safely say is that Pliny tells us the physician was summoned from Egypt. What I cannot safely infer from this sentence alone is that Pliny intended the moral "foreign doctor bad" or "Nero incompetent." The passage itself does not explicitly say that. And do we know TODAY what cures lichen and why the beetles did not? Thanks or is it all defeasible and that the doctor never said CONFIRMATION 100% and perhaps in a healthier patient or less severe case it would have cured? Thanks Yes, the new detail helps enormously. Pliny is not describing a mysterious fever or internal illness. He says Cossinius suffered from:  lichen (lichene correptus esset),  a skin condition, and that the Egyptian doctor attempted treatment with a drink containing cantharides (blister beetles), which killed him. [historyofderm.com], [en.wikipedia.org] Do we know what "lichen" was? Not precisely. The ancient term lichen does not map neatly onto a single modern diagnosis. Modern historians of medicine generally treat many ancient disease names cautiously because they often grouped together conditions that we now distinguish. From the evidence I found, I cannot identify the exact disease Cossinius had. Pliny's text only says lichen. [historyofderm.com] Why did cantharides fail? The key point is that cantharidin is genuinely toxic. Modern sources describe cantharidin as:  a powerful blistering agent, poisonous when taken internally, historically used for various medical purposes, capable of causing serious poisoning. [en.wikipedia.org], [jamanetwork.com]  So Pliny's story is medically plausible:  a physician administers a known but dangerous substance; the patient dies.  Was the doctor necessarily incompetent? Not at all. A Gricean would insist on the difference between:  "The treatment killed the patient"  and  "The physician was irrational."  The sources do not establish the latter. In fact, cantharides had a long medical history. Historical sources report its use for various conditions, including skin disorders. [historyofderm.com], [jamanetwork.com] So the doctor's reasoning may have been something like:  These symptoms indicate condition X. Condition X is often treated with cantharides. Therefore administer cantharides.  The inference can be reasonable even if the outcome is fatal. A Gricean angle The doctor need not have said:  "This will cure you with certainty."  More likely the patient inferred something like:  +> the doctor believes this treatment is beneficial.  Grice would call that a reasonable conversational inference. The tragedy is that:  the doctor may have meant, "This is the appropriate treatment," the patient may have understood, "This treatment is likely to help," nature replied, "No."  So yes, your defeasibility point is exactly right. Nothing in the anecdote shows that the treatment could never work, nor that another patient with a different constitution, dosage, or severity would necessarily have died. What Pliny explicitly records is only that, in Cossinius' case, the Egyptian physician's cantharides treatment killed him. [historyofderm.com], [jamanetwork.com] And that makes the story more interesting philosophically: it is not simply a story about stupidity, but about expertise, trust, and the gap between justified medical judgment and actual outcome. Grice considers such medical cases in Aspects of reason and adds perhaps time-limtation. The physician cannot go on deliberating. He has an action to perform. So, Grice would add that caeteris paribus, the physician thought he had done the right thing, even if he failed? Thanks Yes, I think that is very much the direction Grice would take. In Aspects of Reason, Grice is concerned not merely with whether an action succeeds, but whether it is reasonable given the evidence available to the agent at the time. The physician is a particularly good example because medicine is a domain in which:  evidence is incomplete, time is limited, action cannot be postponed indefinitely, and outcomes are uncertain.  So in the Cossinius case, a Gricean analysis would distinguish: Outcome  Cossinius died.  from Rationality of the decision  Was the physician reasonable in prescribing cantharides?  Those are different questions. Grice would resist the simple inference:  The patient died. Therefore the physician acted irrationally.  That does not follow. Rather:  Given what the physician knew, and given the urgency of treatment, did the physician have sufficient reason to act as he did?  If the answer is yes, then the action may be rational even though it failed. This is very close to Aristotle's distinction between:  successful action, prudent deliberation.  The physician cannot deliberate forever. At some point he must stop collecting evidence and prescribe something. A Gricean might put it this way:  Deliberation is itself constrained by practical reason. One cannot spend ten years deciding how to treat today's patient.  Hence the physician's practical syllogism might be:  Patient has symptom set S. Cases of S are ordinarily treated by remedy R. Delay is undesirable. Therefore administer R.  The conclusion can be perfectly reasonable even if the patient dies. Indeed, the anecdote becomes more interesting if we assume the physician was not a fool. An Egyptian specialist summoned by Nero is presumably supposed to be an expert. The tragedy is then not:  ignorance → failure,  but:  justified belief → unfortunate outcome.  A Gricean Cossinius might complain:  At medicus me occidit! "But the doctor killed me!"  To which Grice would reply:  Fortasse; sed non sequitur eum irrationabiliter egisse. "Perhaps; but it does not follow that he acted unreasonably."  That is, I think, exactly the sort of distinction Grice would want us to keep firmly in view. Success and rationality are connected, but they are not identical. A reasonable physician can fail; an unreasonable physician can occasionally succeed by luck.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cossuzio – Ossia: Grice e Cossuzio --Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cossuzio. The Cossuzi are a family of equestrian rank of ancient Rome. Only a few members of this gens appear in history, but many others are known from epigraphy. The C. are evidently not of Latin origin. Chase suggests that their name is derived from the Volscian name Cossuties. This accords with recent scholarship; based on the various cognomina borne by members of this gens, Rawson concludes that they likely originated in the highlands of central Italy. Tullio Cicero mentions the tabernae, or wine-shops of Cossutius, a merchant near Caesena in Cisalpine Gaul, perhaps indicating that the C. were an Umbrian family of that area. The chief praenomina of the Cossutii were Gnaeus, Marcus, Gaius, Quintus, and Lucius, all of which were common throughout Roman history. A few of the C. bore other common names, with several instances of Publius and Sextus known from epigraphy, and a few occurrences of Aulus, Decimus, Titus, and Servius.  Branches and cognomina Besides the architect Decimus C., other Cossutii lived throughout the Greek world, including at Erythrae and in Eretria, and on the islands of Delos,[6] Ios, Kos, and Paros, the latter of which was known for its marble. These C. often worked in the stone industry, in which the family was involved in various capacities until at least the second century.[6] Coins of the Cossutii include the cognomina Maridianus and Sabula, but nothing is known of the persons bearing these surnames.[2]  A branch of the family, possibly including Decimus Cossutius, may have been resident at Athens from the early second century BC; an inscription from the city's Kerameikos cemetery commemorates "Marcus Cossutius, son of Gaius, a Roman", rendering the name "Marcus" in Greek letters as Μαάρκος: the double-alpha spelling is most common in inscriptions from around the turn of the first century BC.[7]  Three first-century BC statues from Italy, two depicting the god Pan from a villa at Lanuvium and one from Rome depicting a fragment of drapery, were signed by freedmen of this gens.[7] A late first- or early second-century funerary inscription for a member of this family from Rome shows stoneworkers' tools, and two of its members are known to been active at Chemtou in North Africa in the second century.[6] From the late second century BC, freedmen of the gens are known to have served as magistrates in Campania, and to have lived at Puteoli; Cossutii are also attested at Pompeii, probably early in the first century AD, and in undated inscriptions in and around Campania.[7] Other inscriptions place a freedman of the gens in Etruria and two freedmen of the gens as marble-workers.[8]  Members This list includes abbreviated praenomina. For an explanation of this practice, see filiation. Decimus Cossutius, a Roman architect, was retained by Antiochus IV Epiphanes about 168 BC to rebuild the Temple of Olympian Zeus at Athens. Cossutius' reconstruction featured splendid decoration in the Corinthian style, but the temple was left unfinished after the death of Antiochus in 164. Parts of Cossutius' pillars were later removed by Sulla. Gaius Cossutius M. f., buried at Aquileia in Venetia and Histria, in a tomb dating from the first half of the first century BC, built by Titus Cossutius, apparently his brother.[16] Titus Cossutius M. f., built a tomb at Aquileia, dating from the first half of the first century BC, for Gaius Cossutius, apparently his brother.[16] Marcus Cossutius M. Ɔ. l. Antiochus, a freedman buried in a first-century BC tomb at Rome, along with his fellow freedman, Marcus Cossutius Eros. The inscription is thought to be modern.[17] Marcus Cossutius M. Ɔ. l. Eros, a freedman buried in a first-century BC tomb at Rome, along with his fellow freedman, Marcus Cossutius Antiochus. The inscription is thought to be modern.[17] Marcus Cossutius, an eques of Sicily, defended Xeno before Verres during the latter's administration of that province. Cicero describes him as and a man of great integrity and respectability.[18][19] Cossutia, the fiancée and perhaps the first wife of Caesar, belonged to a very wealthy equestrian family. Caesar's parents arranged their marriage when he was but a child, but when he was sixteen, he either repudiated or divorced her in order to marry Cornelia.[20][21] Cossutia A. l. Amata, buried at Atella in Campania, in a tomb dating from the latter half of the first century BC.[22] Cossutia L. l. Chrysis, a freedwoman named along with the freedman Gaius Maruleius Eros, in an inscription from Rome dating from the latter half of the first century BC.[23] Gaius Cossutius Maridianus, triumvir monetalis under Caesar in 44 BC. Rawson suggests that his branch of the family had a rural equestrian background.[24][4] Cossutia Rufa, buried at Rome, along with Lucius Sergius Eros, in a tomb dating between the latter half of the first century BC and the first half of the first century AD.[25] Quintus Cossutius P. f., one of the municipal quattuorvirs at Tarquinii in Etruria, paid for the local ludi, according to an inscription dating from the late first century BC. He was buried at Tarquinii, aged seventy-four, along with his wife, Vibia Quarta, aged fifty-six.[26][27] Gaius Cossutius C. l. Diogenes, a freedman buried at Casilinum in Campania, in a tomb dating from the late first century BC, or the early first century AD. A freedwoman named Cossutia Phil[...] was buried in the same place.[28] Cossutia C. l. Phil[...], a freedwoman buried at Casilinum, in a tomb dating from the late first century BC, or the early first century AD. The freedman Gaius Cossutius Diogenes was buried in the same place.[28] Gnaeus Cossutius Niceros, named in an inscription from Rome, dating from the Julio-Claudian Dynasty.[29] Marcus Cossutius C. f., buried at Athens around the beginning of the first century.[7] Aulus Cossutius, a priest of Apollo Soter on Ios at some point before the middle of the first century.[30] Cossutius, together with Minucia, former master and mistress of the freedwoman Primigenia, named in an inscription from Rome, dating from the first half of the first century. The inscription is thought to be modern.[31] Gnaeus Cossutius, together with Quintus Cossutius, former masters of the freedwoman Fabia Prima, according to an inscription from Rome, dating from the first half of the first century.[32] Quintus Cossutius, together with Gnaeus Cossutius, former masters of the freedwoman Fabia Prima, named in an early first-century inscription.[32] Cossutia Tertia, buried along with Quintus Cossutius Optatus and others in an early first-century tomb at the present site of Meana di Susa.[33] Cossutius, the father of Capito, according to a funerary inscription from Simitthus in Africa, dating rom the first half of the first century.[34] (Cossutius) Capito, the son of Cossutius, was buried at Simitthus in a tomb dating from the first half of the first century.[34] Gaius Cossutius Calidius Celer, named in an inscription from Rome, dedicated by his freedman, Cossutius Epaphroditus, dating from the first half of the first century.[35] (Gaius) Cossutius Epaphroditus, the freedman of Gaius Cossutius Calidius Celer, for whom Epaphroditus dedicated an inscription at Rome, dating from the first half of the first century.[35] Sextus Cossutius Euschemus, named in an inscription from Tergeste in Venetia and Histria, dating from the first half of the first century.[36] Gnaeus Cossutius Faustus, buried at Rome, in a tomb dating from the first half of the first century.[37] Cossutia Ɔ. l. Hilara, a freedwoman named along with the freedman Lucius Cossutius Lena, in an inscription from Rome, dating from the first half of the first century.[38] Lucius Cossutius Ɔ. l. Lena, a freedman named along with the freedwoman Cossutia Hilara, in an inscription from Rome, dating from the first half of the first century.[38] Cossutia Cn. l. Nymphe, a freedwoman named in an inscription from Rome, dating from the first half of the first century.[39] Quintus Cossutius Optatus, buried along with Cossutia Tertia and others in a tomb located at the present site of Meana di Susa, formerly part of Alpes Cottiae, dating from the first half of the first century.[33] Cossutia M. l. Tryphera, a freedwoman named in an inscription from Rome, dating from the first half of the first century.[40] Cossutius, the master of Euhemerus Hilas, a young slave buried in a first-century tomb at Ostia.[41] Cossutia, commissioned the freedman Phileros to build a first-century tomb at Rome for her, and for her son and freedman, Marcus Cossutius Antus.[42] Quintus Cossutius Q. f., named in the sepulchral inscription of Aemilia Pia, a young woman buried in a first-century tomb at the site of modern Montopoli di Sabina, formerly part of Sabinum, aged fifteen years, six months, and two days.[43] Marcus Cossutius Antus, the son and freedman of Cossutia, who had the freedman Phileros build a tomb for herself and her son.[42] Gnaeus Cossutius Eros, buried in a first-century tomb at Aquileia.[44] Gnaeus Cossutius Eros, buried in a first-century tomb at Formiae in Latium.[45] Cossutia Q. l. Lepida, a freedwoman buried in a first-century tomb at Firmum Picenum, along with the freedman Gaius Isidius Philerotis.[46] Gaius Cossutius C. f. Myrmex, one of the aediles, named in a first-century inscription from the Temple of Diana Nemorensis in Latium.[47] Gaius Cossutius C. f. Primus, a boy buried in a first-century tomb at Simitthus, aged nine.[48] Cossutia Cn. l. Tryphera, a freedwoman buried in a first-century tomb at Rome, dedicated by her contubernalis, Publius Attius Helius.[49] Gnaeus Cossutius Agathangelus, dedicated tombs at Rome for his wife, Cossutia Arescusa, and brother, the freedman Gnaeus Cossutius Cladus, dating from the first or early second century. The inscriptions are thought to be modern.[50] Cossutius Arescusa, buried at Rome, aged forty-five, in a first- or early second-century tomb built by her husband, Gnaeus Cossutius Agathangelus. The inscription is thought to be modern.[50] Gnaeus Cossutius Cladus, a freedman buried at Rome, aged thirty-five, in a tomb dating from the first or early second century, built by his brother, Gnaeus Cossutius Agathangelus. The inscription is thought to be modern.[50] Cossutia Prima, buried in a first- or early-second century tomb at Rome, dedicated by one or more of her children.[51] Quintus Cossutius, a resident of Corinth, was the former master of Quintus Cossutius Corinthus, Quintus Cossutius Speratus, and perhaps Cossutia Prima, the wife of Speratus, freedmen buried in a first- or second-century tomb at Rome.[52] Quintus Cossutius Q. Ɔ. l. Corinthus, a freedman of the Cossutii of Corinth, was buried in a first- or second-century tomb at Rome, along with his wife, Licinia Cinnamis, fellow freedman Quintus Cossutius Speratus and his wife, Cossutia Prima, and Marcus Decius Saliander.[52] Cossutia Irene, built a first- or second-century tomb at Rome for her son, Gaius Calvius Mercator, aged six years, five months.[53] Cossutia Prima, a freedwoman of the Cossutii of Corinth, was buried in a first- or second-century tomb at Rome, along with her husband, Quintus Cossutius Speratus, fellow freedman Quintus Cossutius Corinthus and his wife, Licinia Cinnamis, and Marcus Decius Saliander.[52] Quintus Cossutius Q. l. Speratus, a freedman of the Cossutii of Corinth, was a lictor who served three decuriae when they appeared before the magistrates. He was buried in a first- or second-century tomb at Rome, along with his wife, Cossutia Prima, fellow freedman Quintus Cossutius Corinthus and his wife, Licinia Cinnamis, and Marcus Decius Saliander.[52] Cossutius Mosicaitus, a boy buried at Virunum in Noricum, aged seven, along with his parents, Cossutius Silvanus and Quartla, in a tomb dating between the first and third centuries.[54] Cossutius Silvanus, buried at Virunum, along with his wife, Quartla, and son, Mosicaitus, in a tomb dating between the first and third centuries.[54] Cossutia Arescusa, built a first- or second-century tomb at Rome for her son, Felix, aged thirteen.[55] Cossutius, named along with the goddess Ceres on a first-century ceramic tile from Herculaneum in Campania.[56] Cossutius, named on ceramic tiles from Pompeii in Campania.[57] Gnaeus Cossutius, the subject of a vulgar graffito written on a ceramic tile from Pompeii.[58] Cossutia Clara, dedicated a cinerarium dating between the death of Augustus and the middle of the first century for her contubernalis, or "tent-mate", Gnaeus Cossutius Tertius.[59] Gnaeus Cossutius Tertius, inurned at Rome, aged thirty-five, in a cinerarium dating between the death of Augustus and the middle of the first century, placed by his contubernalis, Cossutia Clara.[59] Lucius Cossutius L. f. Costa, a military tribune serving with the Legio XV Apollinaris at Carnuntum in Pannonia Superior during the reign of Claudius.[60] Cossutius Severus, along with Cossutia Thallusa, buried in a tomb dating between the reign of Claudius and the end of the first century, with two ossuary pots donated by Tiberius Claudius Epitynchanus. The inscription's original location is uncertain.[61] Cossutia Thallusa, along with Cossutius Severus, buried in a tomb dating between the reign of Claudius and the end of the first century, with two ossuary pots donated by Tiberius Claudius Epitynchanus. The inscription's original location is uncertain.[61] Cossutia, the wife of Sextus Valerius Valerianus, who built a sepulchre at Aquileia, dating between the middle of the first century and the middle of the second for himself, his wife, his mother, Valeria Secunda, and several close friends.[62] Gnaeus Cossutius Eustrophus, along with Lucius Manlius Philadelphus, caretakers of the Horrea Agrippiana, or granaries of Agrippa, to the spirit of which they dedicated an inscription on the fifth day before the Ides of June[i] in an uncertain year between the latter half of the first and the first half of the second century.[63] Gnaeus Cossutius Bassus, the master of Nicephorus, a slave buried at Rome, aged twenty-seven, in a tomb dating between the latter half of the first century and the end of the second. The inscription is thought to be modern.[64] Gnaeus Cossutius Cn. l. Felix, a freedman born the third day before the Kalends of February,[ii] AD 62, and buried at Rome.[65] Gnaeus Cossutius Atimetus, named in an inscription from Pompeii in Campania, dating from just after the middle of the first century.[66] Marcus Cossutius Felix, a soldier in the century of Sextus [...]tus Iuvenis, named in an inscription from the Domus Vespasiani at Rome, dating from AD 70 or 71. At least part of the inscription may be modern.[67] Gnaeus Cossutius Atimetus, a paenularius, or cloak-maker, buried in a late first-century tomb at Puteoli in Campania.[68] Marcus Cossutius Zeuxis, a freedman working as a sculptor at Rome, according to an inscription from the Forum of Caesar, probably dating from the late first century.[69] Cossutia, the mother of Flavia, a woman buried at Ostia in Latium, in a tomb dating from the late first or early second century.[70] Cossutia Amaranthis, named along with Titus Annius Lotus, perhaps her husband, and several others in a funeraryinscription from Copia in Bruttium, dating from the late first or early second century.[71] Publius Cossutius Bassus Apollinaris, the freedman of Zethus, dedicated a tomb at Mutina in Cisalpine Gaul, dating from the late first or early second century, for himself and Quintus Acutius Optatus, Fulvia Quarta, Gaius Geminus Lepidus, and Publius Refrius Gratus.[72] Gaius Cossutius C. l. Epaphroditus, a freedman, restored the altar of Silvanus, and the temple, altar, and statue of Hercules at Rome in AD 79.[73][74] Sextus Cossutius Sex. f. Primus, a veteran of the thirteenth urban cohort, buried at Lugdunum in Gallia Lugdunensis, in a tomb built by his friend, Titus Silius Hospes, signifer of the same cohort, dating from the first half of the second century.[75] Cossutia Tyche, buried at Tergeste, in a family sepulchre built by the freedman Lucius Usius Philippus, dating from the first half of the second century.[76] Cossutia Sex. f., flaminica of the cult of Faustina at Aquileia, and at Iader in Dalmatia, named in a second-century inscription from Iader.[77] Cossutia Acme, named in a second-century inscription from Rome, along with her husband, [...]ius Ph[...], and their child or children, whose names have not been preserved.[78] Cossutius Adjectus, dedicated a second-century tomb at Rome for his wife, Fictoria Prisca.[79] Gnaeus Cossutius Apriclus, together with Appuleia Lochias, probably his wife, and Lucius Appuleius Regillus, built a second-century tomb at Rome for Appuleia Gratilla, their verna, or home-born slave, the daughter of Regillus, aged fourteen years, six months, and fifteen days.[80] Gaius Cossutius Donatus, buried at Rome, aged sixteen years, ten months, and fourteen days, in a second-century tomb built by his mother, Cossutia Threpte.[81] Gnaeus Cossutius Hermes, buried at Rome along with his wife, Cossutia Onesime, in a second-century tomb built by their son, Gnaeus Cossutius Super.[82] Marcus Cossutius Hermes, dedicated a second-century tomb at Rome for his children, Cossutius Hemetianus, Cossutius Honoratus, and Cossutia Victorina.[83] (Marcus) Cossutius Hermetianus, along with his siblings, Cossutius Honoratus and Cossutia Victorina, buried at Rome in a second-century tomb built by their father, Marcus Cossutius Hermes.[83] Quintus Cossutius Hilarus, one of a number of persons named in a second-century inscription from Philippi in Macedonia.[84] (Marcus) Cossutius Honoratus, along with his siblings, Cossutius Hermetianus and Cossutia Victorina, buried at Rome in a second-century tomb built by their father, Marcus Cossutius Hermes.[83] (Gnaeus) Cos(sutius?) Martialis, built a second-century tomb at Rome for his young son, Gnaeus Cossutius Sacos.[85] Cossutia Onesime, buried at Rome along with her husband, Gnaeus Cossutius Hermes, in a second-century tomb built by their son, Gnaeus Cossutius Super.[82] Servius Cossutius Primus, buried in a second-century tomb at Thessalonica in Macedonia, along with Plusia, the freedwoman of Nicarchus.[86] Gnaeus Cos(sutius?) Sacos, the son of Martialis, buried in a second-century tomb at Rome, aged five years, eleven months, and ten days.[85] Gnaeus Cossutius Cn. f. Super, built a second-century tomb at Rome for his parents, Gnaeus Cossutius Hermes and Cossutia Onesime.[82] Cossutia Threpte, built a second-century tomb at Rome for her son, Gaius Cossutius Donatus.[81] Cossutia Victorina, along with her siblings, Cossutius Hermetianus and Cossutius Honoratus, buried at Rome in a second-century tomb built by their father, Marcus Cossutius Hermes.[83] Cossutia C. l. Fausta, dedicated a second- or third-century tomb at Thessalonica for her husband, Titus Brotius Zosimus.[87] Marcus Cossutius Zeuxis, dedicated a second- or third-century tomb at Rome for his brother, Sabinius Salvius.[88] Gaius Cossutius C. l. Gentius, one of a number of freedmen named in an inscription from Casilinum in Campania, dating from AD 105, recording the building of an arch, steps, and drains by the masters of the cults of Castor and Pollux and Mercury.[89] Sextus Cossutius Secundus, one of the municipal officials at Aquileia in AD 105, who was present at the dedication of a statue in honour of Gaius Minicius Italus.[90] Gaius Cossutius Nigrinus, carved an inscription recording the dedication of the vexillum of the Legio II Traiana Fortis to the god Mercury at Pselkis in Egypt on the Nones of February,[iii] AD 127.[91] Publius Cossutius [...] P. n. Amatus, a priest of Jupiter Optimus Maximus at Misenum in Campania, commemorated in an inscription from the middle or later part of the second century.[92] Gnaeus Cossutius L. f. Successinus, one of the municipal quattuorvirs at Carsioli in Sabinum, had been quaestor and in charge of the treasury. He was honored by a decree of the Roman Senate, dating from the latter half of the second century.[93] Cossutius Rufinus, one of the local officials who in AD 187 dedicated a statue in memory of Gavia Marciana at Puteoli in Campania.[94] Marcus Cossutius M. f. Proculeianus, a native of Mevania in Umbria, was a soldier in the twelfth urban cohort at Rome in AD 197, serving in the century of Severianus.[95] Cossutius, the father of Victorina, for whom he built a third-century Christian tomb at Rome.[96] Marcus Cossutius Felix, the husband of Valeria Si[...], named in the third-century sepulchral inscription of Marcus Apidius Epictetus at Rome.[97] (Titus) Cossutius T. f. Firmus, a youth buried at Ovilava, aged fifteen, in a third-century family sepulchre built by his father, the decurion Titus Flavius Victorinus, for himself, his wife, Cossutia Vera, and their children, Firmus and Flavia Victorina.[98] Gaius Cossutius Saturninus, a native of Hippo Regius in Africa, was a soldier in the Legio VI Victrix, stationed in Britain at some point during the third century.[99] Cossutia Vera, buried at Ovilava in Noricum, aged fifty, in a third-century family sepulchre built by her husband, Titus Flavius Victorinus, a veteran of and decurion in the ala Tampiana, a Roman cavalry unit, for himself, his wife, and their children, Flavia Victorina, aged twenty-three, and Cossutius Firmus.[98] Cossutius Eutyches, a soldier in the Legio II Parthica, dedicated a tomb for Aurelia Romana, his wife of twenty-eight years, the third day before the Ides of April,[iv] AD 201.[100] Cossutius Festus, a soldier in the first cohort of the Vigiles at Rome in AD 205, in the century of Gaius Mancilius Juvenis.[101] Cossutius, buried in a fourth- or fifth-century tomb at Rome, aged about sixty.[102] Undated Cossutii Cossutia, buried at Rome along with her husband, Gaius Terentius Potamon, and son, Gaius Terentius Saturninus, aged fourteen years, eleven months.[103] Cossutia, the daughter of Alfius, one of the Vestals, buried at Augusta Vindelicorum in Raetia, aged eighty-two years, ten months, and six days, along with Lucius Caecilius Priscus, one of the seviri Augustales of that place. The inscription is thought to be modern.[104] Cossutia Cn. l., a freedwoman named in an inscription from Rome, along with fellow freedwomen Cossutia Acris and Cossutia Plebs, and the freedmen Gnaeus Cossutius Philomusus and Cossutius Plebeius.[105] Cossutia P. f., named along with Numerius Vibius Flaccus in an inscription from Potentia in Lucania.[106] Cossutius, buried at Rome along with Lucia Florentina and their family, with a wall around their graves.[107] Cossutius, named in inscriptions from Antioch in Syria.[108][109] Cossutius, the father of a man buried at Emona in Pannonia Superior, aged thirty, along with his wife, Secunda, the daughter of Valens, aged forty.[110] Gnaeus Cossutius, buried at Rome.[111] Gnaeus Cossutius, named in the funerary inscription of his freedwoman, Cossutia Helpis.[112] Gnaeus Cossutius, along with his wife, Cossutia Trophime, dedicated a tomb at Rome for their son, whose name has not been preserved.[113] Gnaeus Cossutius, buried at Ostia; his age is partly obliterated, but was at least ten years, and ended with twenty-one days.[114] Lucius Cossutius M. [...], one of several persons named in an inscription from Delos or Ortygia in Achaia.[115] Lucius Cossutius M. f., buried at Altinum in Venetia and Histria.[116] Quintus Cossutius L. f., buried at Mustis in Africa.[117] Cossutius Cn. l. Acris, a freedwoman named in an inscription from Rome, along with fellow freedwomen Cossutia Plebs and another Cossutia, and the freedmen Gnaeus Cossutius Philomusus and Cossutius Plebeius.[105] Cossutius Adjutor, buried at Simitthus, aged seventy-two.[118] Marcus Cossutius Adjutor, buried at Simitthus, aged seventy-five.[119] Cossutia Anatole, dedicated a tomb at Rome for herself and her patron, whose name has not been preserved.[120] (Gnaeus) Cossutius Asteris, along with Cossutius Bassus, former masters of Gnaeus Cossutius Januarius, a boy buried at Rome. Gnaeus Cossutius Atimetus, buried at Rome, aged forty, in a tomb dedicated by his daughter, Cossutia Epictesis.[122] (Gnaeus) Cossutius Bassus, along with Cossutius Asteris, former masters of Gnaeus Cossutius Januarius, a boy buried at Rome.[121] Cossutia M. l. Bela, named in an inscription from Rome.[123] Cossutia Callytyche, buried at Rome, in a tomb dedicated by her husband, Tiberius Claudius Hid[...].[124] Cossutius Cerdon, dedicated a tomb at Massilia in Gallia Narbonensis for the freedwoman Cossutia Epictesis.[125] Marcus Cossutius Chresimus, named in two bronze inscriptions from an uncertain province.[126] Cossutia Cinura, named in an inscription from Rome.[127] Gaius Cossutius C. f. Crispus, a freedman, was an agent assisting the duumviri quinquennales in taking the census at Rome.[128] Marcus Cossutius M. l. Dom[...], together with Lucius Valerius Antiochus, freedmen and marmorarii, or marbleworkers, made an offering to Fortuna Primigenia at Pisae in Etruria.[129] (Cossutius) Donatus, the son of Marcus Cossutius Mar[...], who sacrificed a lamb to Saturn at Nicivibus in Numidia in order to save his son's life.[130] Cossutia Cn. f. Epictesis, dedicated a tomb at Rome for her father, Gnaeus Cossutius Atimetus.[122] Cossutia Epictesis, a freedwoman buried at Massilia, in a tomb dedicated by Cossutius Cerdon.[125] Cossutius Eutycles, named along with Pompeia Judaea, in an inscription from Arelate in Gallia Narbonensis.[131] Quintus Cossutius L. f. Fortunatianus, a priest, was buried at Mustis, aged seventy.[132] Cossutius Gududus, one of the mensores[v] named in an inscription from Lambaesis in Numidia.[133] Marcus Cossutius Heliodorus, built a family sepulchre at Rome, adjacent to or combined with the one built by Pedania Paetina for her son, Gaius Pedanius Successus, and his wife, Caepia Glypte.[134] Cossutia Cn. l. Helpis, the freedwoman of Gnaeus Cossutius, was buried at Rome, aged thirty-five.[112] Marcus Cossutius Hermes, built a tomb at Rome for his son, Marcus Cossutius Titianus.[135] Quintus Cossutius Homullus, buried at Mustis, aged twenty.[136] Cossutia Hygia, dedicated a tomb at Massilia for her daughter, Julia Quintina.[137] Lucius Cossutius Hymnus, dedicated a tomb at Rome for his patron, Cossutia Primigenia. The inscription is thought to be modern.[138] Gnaeus Cossutius (Cn. Cn. l.) Januarius, the son of Epitynchanus, and freedman of Cossutius Bassus and Cossutius Asteris, was buried at Rome, aged nine.[121] Marcus Cossutius Macrinus, made an offering to the cult of Aesculapius at Olisipo in Lusitania.[139] Marcus Cossutius Mar[...], sacrificed a lamb to Saturn at Nicivibus to save the life of his son, Donatus.[130] Marcus Cossutius Menander, in whose honour Fuficia Helena dedicated three pots at Rome for herself, Menander, and Marcus Perelius Neo.[140] Cossutius Myrmex, the master of Promus, a slave named in an inscription from Rome.[141] Cossutia Nice, dedicated a tomb at Massilia for her husband, Sextus Annius Chasinus.[142] Decimus Cossutius Nicia, named in an inscription from Rome, along with the freedwoman Canuleia Prima, probably his wife.[143] Cossutius Paratus, the freedman of Cossutia Tertulla, named in an inscription from Rome, along with the freedwoman Cossutia Severa.[144] Marcus Cossutius Phoebus, buried at Rome.[145] Gnaeus Cossutius Philomusus, a freedman named in an inscription from Rome, along with fellow freedman Cossutius Plebeius, and the freedwomen Cossutia Acris, Cossutia Plebs, and another Cossutia. (Gnaeus) Cossutius Plebeius, a freedman named in an inscription from Rome, along with fellow freedman Cossutius Philomusus, and the freedwomen Cossutia Acris, Cossutia Plebs, and another Cossutia.[105] Cossutia Cn. l. Plebs, a freedwoman named in an inscription from Rome, along with fellow freedwomen Cossutia Acris and another Cossutia, and the freedmen Gnaeus Cossutius Philomusus and Cossutius Plebeius.[105] Cossutia Primigenia, buried at Rome, in a tomb dedicated by her client, Lucius Cossutius Hymnus. The inscription is thought to be modern.[138] Marcus Cossutius Protus, one of the Seviri Augustales at Ostia, commemorated in an inscription left by his client, the freedman Agathopus.[146] Marcus Cossutius Rufio, buried at Arelate in Gallia Narbonensis, along with Cossutia Soteria.[147] Publius Cossutius S[...], named in an inscription from Valentia in Gallia Narbonensis.[148] Cossutia Secunda, the wife of Egregius Restitutus, with whom she built a tomb at Rome for themselves and their dear friend, Junia Hippice, aged twenty-two years, seven months, and seven days.[149] Quintus Cossutius Seneca, a young man buried at Sicca Veneria in Africa, aged twenty-three, in a tomb dedicated by his tent-mates.[150] Cossutia Severa, the freedwoman of Cossutia Tertulla, named in an inscription from Rome, along with the freedman Cossutius Paratus.[144] Marcus Cossutius M. f. Severus, buried at Rome.[151] Cossutia Soteria, buried at Arelate, along with Marcus Cossutius Rufio.[147] Gaius Cossutius C. l. Status, a freedman named in an inscription from Rome.[152] Marcus Cossutius M. l. Stephanus, a freedman named in an inscription from Rome.[153] Cossutia Symferusa, buried at Rome, in a tomb dedicated by her daughter, Anencletis.[154] Cossutia M. f. Tertulla, named in an inscription from Rome, along with her freedman, Cossutius Paratus, and freedwoman, Cossutia Severa.[144] Marcus Cossutius M. f. Titianus, buried at Rome, in a tomb dedicated by his father, Marcus Cossutius Hermes.[135] Marcus Cossutius Titullus, buried at Rome, aged thirty-five. The inscription is thought to be modern.[155] Cossutia Trophime, along with her husband, Gnaeus Cossutius, dedicated a tomb at Rome for their son, whose name has not been preserved.[113] Cossutia Tyche, buried at Rome.[156] Cossutia Tyrannis, the wife of Marcus Cossutius Zosimus, who built a sepulchre at Rome for himself, Tyrannis, and their family.[157] Cossutius Valentinus, dedicated a tomb at Rome for his wife, whose name has not been preserved, aged seventy-five.[158] Cossutia P. f. Veneria, buried at Ammaedara, aged thirty, in a tomb built by her husband, Lucius Sergius Sterceius.[159] Cossutia Victoria, buried at Massilia in a tomb dedicated by her husband, Pompeius Abascantus.[160] Gnaeus Cossutius Zoilus, buried in a family sepulchre at Rome, built by Septimia Beronice for herself and her husband, Tiberius Claudius Fronimus, their son, Tiberius Claudius Beronicianus, and Zoilus.[161] Marcus Cossutius Zosimus, built a sepulchre at Rome for his wife, Cossutia Tyrannis, and their family.[157] See also List of Roman gentes Cossutianus Capito Notes  June 9.  January 30.  February 5.  April 11.  Literally, "measurer", typically referring to an official accounting for quantities of grain, or to a surveyor, or an engineer. References  Jiménez, Caesar Against Rome, p. 13.  William Smith, "Cossutia Gens", in Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. 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Mihaela v Iški vasi, 1–1, 24.  Epigraphica, 2023–139.  CIL VI, 16515.  CIL VI, 16516.  Epigrafia ostiense dopo il CIL. 2000 iscrizioni funerarie, 293.  CIL III, 14203,05a.  Archeologia Veneta, 1982, 142–4, 142–5.  CIL VIII, 1592.  CIL VIII, 25659.  CIL VIII, 14628.  BCAR, 1941–179.  CIL VI, 35054.  CIL VI, 16517.  CIL VI, 16536.  CIL VI, 16537.  CIL XII, 423.  CIL XIII, 10022,083a, CIL XIII, 10022,083b.  CIL VI, 16538.  CIL VI, 9863.  CIL XI, 1415.  AE 2006, 1802.  AE 2011, 704.  CIL VIII, 15586.  AE 1904, 72.  CIL VI, 23880.  CIL VI, 35057.  CIL VIII, 15605.  CIL XII, 442.  CIL VI, 35055.  CIL II, 174.  CIL VI, 18615.  CIL VI, 25086.  CAG, xiii. 3, 158.  CIL VI, 16523.  CIL VI, 6162.  CIL VI, 16525.  AE 1988, 186.  CIL XII, 797.  CIL XII, 1773.  CIL VI, 8659.  CIL VIII, 15895.  CIL VI, 16526.  CIL VI, 16527.  CIL VI, 16528.  CIL VI, 16540.  CIL VI, 16530.  CIL VI, 16543.  CIL VI, 16531.  CIL VI, 35058.  AE 2013, 2042.  CIL XII, 424.  CIL VI, 26264. 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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cossuzio – Ossia: Grice e Cossuzio --Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cossuzio. For a Grice/Speranza vignette, I would choose Decimus Cossutius the architect by a wide margin. Why? Because he is the one Cossutius about whom we know something distinctive and intellectually suggestive:  Decimus Cossutius was the Roman architect retained by Antiochus IV Epiphanes to rebuild the Temple of Olympian Zeus at Athens; the project remained unfinished after Antiochus' death. citeturn0search? not available; based on the text you supplied from the gens entry and its cited ancient sources.  The reason this is Gricean is that architecture naturally invites analogies with:  design, intention, plan, completion, communication.  A Gricean dialogue almost writes itself: GRICEVS  Quid facis, Cossuti? "What are you doing, Cossutius?"  COSSVTIVS  Templum aedifico. "I am building a temple."  GRICEVS  Iamne templum est? "Is it already a temple?"  COSSVTIVS  Non adhuc. "Not yet."  GRICEVS  Quomodo ergo dicis te templum aedificare? "How then can you say you are building a temple?"  This becomes a conversation about:  intention versus completed outcome,  a favourite Gricean theme. My favourite opening, therefore, would be: Grice e Cossuzio Architecto GRICEVS  Templum imperfectum quid significat?  "What does an unfinished temple signify?" COSSVTIVS  Consilium significat.  "It signifies a plan." GRICEVS  Ergo intentio etiam sine effectu intellegi potest?  "So intention can be understood even without successful completion?" COSSVTIVS  Architecti certe ita sperant.  "Architects certainly hope so." That gets you almost immediately into Grice's territory of intention, design, and the relation between a plan and its realization.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cossuzio – Ossia: Grice e Cossuzio --Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cossuzio. Second choice: Cossutia, Caesar's fiancée Not because she did much historically, but because of the conversational possibilities. According to the gens summary, Cossutia was the wealthy equestrian fiancée (and perhaps first wife) of Caesar, whom he later repudiated or divorced in order to marry Cornelia. That yields questions like:  What did Caesar mean when he promised marriage?   Can a promise be cancelled by political considerations?  Very Gricean material.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cossuzio – Ossia: Grice e Cossuzio --Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cossuzio. Third choice: Marcus Cossutius of Sicily The eques whom Cicero praises as a man of integrity while discussing Verres. That gives a nice forensic setting involving:  testimony, credibility, witness reliability,  all central Gricean topics.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cossuzio – Ossia: Grice e Cossuzio --Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cossuzio. Whom I would not choose Most of the remaining Cossutii are visible only through inscriptions:  freedmen, magistrates, soldiers, marble-workers.  Historically valuable, but less conversationally fertile.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cosmacini – Ossia: Grice e Cosmacini: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del consenso e la compassione, la sinestesia e la simpatia. Giorgio Cosmacini (Milano, Lombardia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del consenso e la compassione, la sinestesia e la simpatia. Grice: “I like C. For one, he philosophises on THREE areas of my concern: ‘cuore’, as when we say that two conversationalists reach an ‘accord’!; on ‘empatia’ – a Hellenism, and most importantly, on ‘compassione,’ which is at the root of my principle of conversational benevolence. Studia a Milano e Pavia. la “convenzione della mutua” o l’Istituto nazionale per l'assicurazione contro le malattie e apre un ambulatorio mutualistico Fare bene il mestiere di medico della mutua non significa gestire un certo numero di mutuanti; vuol inoltre dire aver cura di una comunità di persone, ciascuna delle quali con esigenze proprie. raggiungendo in quel periodo circa trecento mutuanti. Quando i suoi mutuanti sono circa millecinquecento, decisd di realizzare un suo sogno: la libera docenza. è autore di saggi d'argomento filosofico la mutua, mutuante, mutuanti, ambulatorio mutualistico. “Scienza medica e giacobinismo in Italia: l'impresa politico-culturale di Rasori Röntgen i raggi x, Gemelli. Il Machiavelli di Dio, Storia della sanità in Italia. Dalla peste alla guerra mondiale. Sanità in Italia Da Carlo V al Re Sole, Collana Osservatorio italiano, Una dinastia di medici. La saga dei Cavacciuti-Moruzzi, Collana Saggi italiani, Storia della medicina e della Sanità nell'Italia contemporanea, Trivulzio, La qualità del tuo medico. Per una filosofia della medicina); L'arte lunga. “Il medico ciarlatano. Cure, maschere, ciarle, Milano, Cortina, La Ca' Granda dei milanesi. giacobino. Rasori, Salute e bioetica, Satolli, materialista. La mia baracca». 'arte lunga. La Thuile tuillèn» spade di Damocle. L'anello di Asclepio. L'età dell'oro”; saltimbanco. Vitali, chimico di talento, Politica per amore” Guerra Compassione stetoscopio. rivoluzione.triennio cruciale. socialisti e compagni di strada salute chimica della vita microbiologia, Materia” L'Infinito di LEOPARDI Un impossibile congedo cuore, consenso, dissenso, empatia, simpatia. St. John’s, 1954. Senior Common Room, the usual Sunday routine: one browses through things that, strictly speaking, ought not to interest one—yet this is precisely what philosophers at the Sorbonne (or even Bologna) don’t have, and we Oxonians do. We mix with the crowd as a matter of institutional hygiene, as if to remind ourselves that it is they who live on ivory towers, not us. (Our towers are merely limestone, and draughty.) What caught my attention today was an abstract of a Pavia laurea con lode by one Cosmacini. The title is too good to be missed—especially when one is in the business of hunting for philosophical equivalents in alien provinces:  “L’associazione procamide‑antistinendoarteriosa nella terapia delle arteriti periferiche.”  One is, of course, immediately struck by antistinendoarteriosa—a formation of a kind the Crusca would either praise for its Tuscan severity or condemn for its hospital barbarism. But the whole thing has a pleasant tilt to it: l’associazione… nella terapia… delle arteriti periferiche. Hume, I take it, knew about associations; he did not know they could be procamide. Let that pass. What I like is the small semantic flag planted by terapia. “I am a practitioner,” the title seems to say, “not a metaphysician.” Physicists study physis; physicians cure her. (Physis is properly feminine in Greek—one of those details that does nothing for the patient, but might matter intensely to the patient’s mother.) And then the clinical pedantry becomes, for me, a philosophical temptation: not della arterite, but delle arteriti—plural—so we are not treating a dignified abstraction, but a messy family of cases. And periferiche, too—peripheral. Would that matter to the patient? Or, worse, to the patient’s mother, who tends to regard nothing as peripheral when it hurts? The nearest philosophical analogue I can contrive is a monstrous hybrid: Locke’s association of ideas (with its rummaging among secondary—and tertiary—qualities) grafted onto Wittgenstein’s notion of philosophy as therapy, except that Wittgenstein’s therapies are typically for pseudo‑problems, while Cosmacini’s are for peripheries that are only “peripheral” until they are yours. It would make, in another universe, an excellent B.Phil. dissertation: The Association of Ideas and the Therapy of Peripheral Problems—supervised, no doubt, by Miss Anscombe, who would tell you (with her usual air of having been told by God) that the only genuine cure is to stop talking nonsense; and then, as a kindness, prescribe a paragraph of Aristotle. Meanwhile Austin is inventing games called SYMBOLO and forbidding us to say “philosophy of language.” One can’t help thinking that, given the choice, I’d rather take my chances with procami and arteriti than with Austin’s cheerfully professional nonsense. Grice: Caro Cosmacini, ti confesso che mi affascina il modo in cui porti il cuore, la sinestesia e persino la compassione nella conversazione: sembra quasi di essere in un ambulatorio filosofico dove si cura con la parola! Dimmi, per te la simpatia è più una questione di medicina o di mutua intesa fra anime? Cosmacini: Ah, Grice, da medico della mutua ho imparato che la simpatia è la migliore ricetta: non basta prescrivere pillole, bisogna ascoltare, capire, e magari ridere insieme. La compassione è come uno stetoscopio: senza di essa, il dialogo resta muto! Grice: Sagge parole! Credo che il consenso, quando nasce da una battuta ben piazzata e da un sorriso, sia più efficace di qualsiasi terapia. E poi, l’empatia ha un effetto collaterale meraviglioso: trasforma il dissenso in una partita a carte, invece che in una guerra di nervi! Cosmacini: Hai ragione, Grice! La vera arte lunga è quella che fa star bene tutti: filosofia, medicina, chiacchiere e anche un po’ di sana ironia milanese. In fondo, come diceva la nonna: “Meglio una carezza che una diagnosi troppo severa!” Cosmacini, Giorgio (1954) L’associazione procamide‑antistinendoarteriosa nella terapia delle arteriti periferiche. Pavia.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Costa – Ossia: Grice e Costa: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della sinestesia conversazionale Paolo Costa (Ravenna, Romagna): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della sinestesia conversazionale Grice: “My favourite keyword for C. is ‘contrassegnare’! I love C. For one, he improves on Locke; on the composition of ideas and how to ‘countersignal’ them with ‘vocaboli precisi’ – I explored that in ‘Prejudices and Predilections,’ attacking minimalist extensionalism in a way meant to resemble Locke’s way of words, or rather his way of ‘complex’ words, or ‘composite’ (C.’s ‘comporre’) out of ‘simple’ ones, as in Quine’s worn-out ‘bachelor’ unmarried male that I play with with Strawson in “In defense of a dogma.” In this respect, it is interesting to see that C. also philosophises  on ‘ellocution’ and ‘sintesi’ versus ‘analisi’! It may be said that my transcendental critical approach to cooperative rational conversation is a response to C.’s totally empiricist or ‘sensista’ as he prefers invocation of ‘chiarezza,’ my imperative of conversational clarity,  brevita, eleganza, and all the categories that inform the maxims!” Si laurea a  Padova. Insegna a Bologna. L’elocuzione modo di esprimere l’idea e di SEGNARLA con una espressione precisa a fine di ben ragionare. Colla profferenza Fa fredo C. segna che fa freddo. Con MONTI e GIORDANI sensista dell’orto di LUCREZIO. Dare all’espressione un valore. Non colla de-finizione (horismos), scomposizione d’una idea se l’idea non è ben composta, se non so quale ne sono gli due elementi soggetto e predicato, A è B, reminiscenza d’una sensazione. Del SENTIMENTO del rapporto di quelle reminiscenze, indicativa/imperativa giudicata/voluta. Ciò che si SENTE mediante l’attenzione, l’esperienza. Ogni idea ha un unico origine. Due reminiscenz sono in me associate. Il SENSO è l'origine. Che la reminiscenza del color di rosa è in me è che SENTO che è in me, e dico: vedo una macchia rosa. communicazione senso consenso aesthesis sinestesia idea dei chi proferisce la proposizione Me diletta l’odore di questa rosa piu del colore, cooperiamo, e la risponsa di nostre anime e Contrariamente, a me mi diletta il colore di questa rosa piu dell’odore. Sinestesia. St. John’s, 1955. Sunday afternoon. Here I am, distressing a perfectly lazy Sunday with the after‑ringing of Austin’s Saturday mornings—those intended‑to‑be‑funny philosophical hacks, delivered with the air of a man who thinks a joke is a method. Austin is getting on my nerves. I am, in the plain sense of the word, more analytic than he is. Yesterday he announced—quite cheerfully—that he meant to invent a “full game” for our entire delight, which he intends to call SYMBOLO. He takes to “lingos” with that cavalier attitude which comes, I suppose, from his Bradshaw‑Lancashire roots: as if languages were things one could knock together in the shed between tea and the next committee. It sent me back (thankfully) to what I fetched from the Bodleian on Friday, and which I may yet smuggle into my own notes on “Utterer’s meaning, sentence‑meaning, and word‑meaning,” if I ever succeed in setting foot on the concept of lingua without being told by Austin that “philosophy of language” is a vulgarity. Austin forbids “philosophy of X” on principle: all such titles are second‑rate, he says—quite rightly, in the sense that they advertise an ambition to do philosophy by departmental annexation. And it amused me that Paolo Costa, in 1807, seems to follow suit: he offers not a filosofia del linguaggio (that later, suspicious abstraction), but a modest Saggio sulla filosofia delle lingue—delle in the plural, with the sense that one is dealing with actual tongues, not an invisible entity called “Language” with a capital letter and no teeth. Which brings me to the pun (and the corrective). Italian lingua is, after all, the mother‑tongue and the organ. So if one insists on reading Costa literally, it is an essay in the philosophy of tongues—an anatomical title, almost indecent in its concreteness. And whenever I find myself getting too involved with “language” in the abstract, I am reminded that there is no way to get entirely disentangled from the anatomical root: we say linguistic (tongue‑ish) and not languagistic—if indeed anyone ever says languagistic except as a barbarism designed to make a point. The word “linguistic” drags the tongue along behind it like an ancestor one cannot quite disown. Try telling the younger generation—Dummett and company—that they are drowning themselves in seas of “philosophies of language,” and then complaining when they shout for the lifeguard who is, as usual, not on duty and sleeping by Parson’s Pleasure. Costa, at least, knew enough to keep the plural and the tongue in view: lingue—things people actually have, and use, and sometimes bite. And I confess another small satisfaction: it is precisely the sort of book Austin would tell you not to read, and the sort of title he would tell you not to utter—filosofia delle lingue sounding too much like a programme. Yet it is the sort of thing that, with one quiet bibliographical tug, punctures Austin’s SYMBOLO‑confidence and returns one to the point: not that we should invent games for fun, but that we should notice, in the games we already play, what we manage to mean by the noises we make.Grice: Caro Costa, devo confessare che la tua sinestesia conversazionale mi ha colpito più di un gelato al limone in pieno agosto! Dimmi, quando segni un’idea, preferisci profumare la frase di rosa o colorarla di chiarezza? Costa: Ah, Grice, io direi che ogni idea è come una macchia rosa: a volte mi piace più l’odore, altre il colore! Ma se Monti e Giordani mi sentissero, finirei nel loro orto di Lucrezio, a discutere se il senso sia tutto o se serve anche un po’ di eleganza. Grice: Eleganza, chiarezza, brevita... tu componi le tue idee meglio di un compositore in vacanza! Però, la mia domanda è: quando fa freddo, segni la temperatura solo a parole o usi anche il naso e la voce? Mi pare che da te, persino il freddo abbia una sua sinestesia! Costa: Grice, se il freddo si sente, lo segno con tutto me stesso – voce, faccia e magari un paio di guanti! La filosofia, come la rosa, va gustata con tutti i sensi; tu, però, hai il dono di proferire idee sempre fresche, anche quando il clima è rigido! Costa, Paolo (1805). L’inno all’imperatore dei francesi e re d’Italia – entrata di Buonaparte a Bologna, giunio 21, 3 p.m.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Costanzi – Ossia: Grice e Costanzi: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’amore. Teodorico Moretti Costanzi (Pozzuolo Umbro, Castiglione del Lago, Perugia, Umbria): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’amore. Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning explains how hearers infer what a speaker means beyond what is said by assuming rational cooperation and deriving implicatures as accountable, in-principle-cancellable products of practical reasoning about why that utterance was made in that context. Teodorico Moretti-Costanzi (Pozzuolo Umbro, 1912–1995), by contrast, is best positioned not as a pragmatics technician but as a metaphysician of interiority, ascesis, and the love–death axis (eros and thanatos), where “meaning” is pushed toward the expressive-existential disclosure of being rather than toward public, rule-like inferential coordination between interlocutors; in your passage’s idiom, his “conversational reason” is the attempt to make intelligible how love functions as a metaphysical orientation and a discipline of consciousness, not how talk generates extra content via maxims. This difference matters: Grice treats love-talk (and any talk) as analysable through intention-recognition and cooperative norms, so that what is “implied” is something a competent hearer can reconstruct; Moretti-Costanzi treats love as a privileged site where the person is formed (and purified) in relation to the absolute, so the “implicature” is less a detachable inference than an existential surplus that clings to expression because the subject matter (love, death, eternity) outruns straightforward propositional packaging. Standard bibliographies (e.g., Treccani DBI; Wikipedia’s works list) place his first book at 1939 (Pensiero ed essere, Rome), with later volumes explicitly on love such as Amore, morte, eternità (1974); so the Gricean joke about an “essay on amore” can be tied to an actually attested thematic strand in his oeuvre, while the contrast with Grice remains that Grice’s rationality is fundamentally social-inferential (how we responsibly get from said to meant), whereas Moretti-Costanzi’s rationality is fundamentally ascetical-metaphysical (how the person is re-formed so that love and truth can be lived and, only derivatively, said). Grice: “I like C.; possibly my favourite of his essays is the one on ‘amore’ eros for the Oxonian!” Si laurea a Bologna. Ensegna a Bologna. Pensiero ed essere; “Varisco: l’uno e i molti; “Noluntas; “Schopenhauer; “L'asceta moderno” – L’asceta -- Arte e storia, Roma; Spinoza, Universitas, Roma); “Il sentito in Platone” -- L'ascetica di Heidegger” Arte e storia, Roma); “L'ascesi di coscienza e l'argomento d’Aosta”, Meditazioni inattuali sull'essere e il senso della vita” La terrenità edenica del Cristianesimo e la contaminazione spiritualistica” La donna angelicata e il senso della femminilità nel Cristianesimo” La filosofia pura, “Il senso della storia, Alfa, Bologna); “Sul prologo di Zarathustra “L'etica nelle sue condizioni necessarie, “L'estetica pia, L'ora della filosofia, R. “L'uomo come disgrazia e Dio come fortuna” (La critica disvelatrice” ( “Amore e morte” “La singolarità della diada: compimento di un itinerario senza vie” “L'equivoco della filosofia cristiana e il cristianesimo-filosofia” (Clueb, Bologna; e ragioni della miscredenza e quelle cristiane della fede); “La fede sapiente e il Cristo storico “La rivelazione filosofica” Il Cristianesimo: filosofia come tradizione di realtà” Breviloquio della sera” (L’immagine sacra” (Sala francescana di cultura, Assisi); “L'identità del Lumen publicum nelle privatezze di Anselmo e Tommaso” (Il Cristianesimo-filosofia, E. Mirri e M. Moschini). Sgarbi torna a Tuoro per presentare l'opera omnia del filosofo Umbria Left.  Il filosofo imagliato dal Sessantotto, Al di là del principio di piacere amore e morte, l’essere, il sentito, ascesi (verbo?), Zarathustra, il singolo della diada, l’uno e i molti, nolere, nolitum, volitum, amore/morte, eros/tanatos, immagine sacra, imaginatum, essere, un essere, due esseri, le due esseri entrambi, rivelazione, la rivelazione filosofica, a new discourse on metaphysics: from genesis to revelations, un nuovo discorso di metafisica: del genesi alle rivelazione, Zarathustra e cristita, nollere in Schopenhauer. G: Let us begin, if you please, not with Bologna, but with Stout. P: Because you trust him. G: Because he is stout in the right way: sober, discriminating, and not hypnotised by a French compound merely because it has a hyphen. P: And yet the poor young Moretti-Costanzi comes out of Bologna in 1934 with a thesis on idée-force. G: Or, if we naturalise it properly for Italian use, idea-forza. P: Which already sounds less eccentric. G: Italy is kinder to compounds than England. England hears idée-force and suspects advertising. Italy hears idea-forza and suspects a doctrine. P: Then why Fouillée for a Bologna laurea? G: Because Fouillée offers exactly what an earnest young metaphysician might need before he becomes fully himself: a bridge between psychology, volition, metaphysics, and the old question whether thought merely mirrors the world or helps move it. P: So not yet Amore, morte, eternità. G: No. Before love and eternity, one requires a respectable French intermediary. P: Enter Stout. G: Enter Stout indeed. He begins with a useful summary: “By an idea-force M. Fouillée means a process indivisibly sensory, emotional and appetitive.” P: Which is almost indecently helpful. G: Very. It gives us the triad at once: sensation, feeling, appetite. No pure cognition floating free above life. P: Moretti-Costanzi might have liked that. G: Of course he would. Bologna in the early thirties is not going to breed a young philosopher who wants thought reduced to a bloodless registration office. P: Yet Stout is not simply applauding. G: That is his virtue. He sees the attractiveness of the doctrine without surrendering all discretion. He goes on: Fouillée “conceives the mental life as consisting throughout in activity directed towards ends, with or without forethought as to the nature of these ends.” P: That already sounds near Schopenhauer, Ward, Stout, and later action theory. G: Precisely. It gives psychology a vector. Mental life is not a heap of inert contents; it is nisus. P: And Stout likes nisus. G: As any decent philosophical psychologist should. But he also notices the temptation in Fouillée: to make the whole of mind appetitive and then read even cognition through that lens. P: Because Fouillée says all specific contents of consciousness are “specific modes of this all-pervading and persistent nisus.” G: Yes. Which is bold, elegant, and slightly dangerous. P: Dangerous because everything becomes conation? G: Dangerous because one may start to treat every distinction as merely a shading of striving. P: Whereas Stout wants distinctions preserved. G: Exactly. He is no Herbartian presentationist, but neither is he willing to let appetite do all the work. P: Yet he is warmly sympathetic. G: Intensely. Consider his summary of pleasure and pain. Fouillée’s view, as Stout renders it, is that modifications of experience are agreeably or disagreeably toned according as the nisus is furthered or thwarted. P: So pain is thwarted striving; pleasure is successful activity. G: Just so. Stout quotes the line that “the proposition that pain consists in thwarted striving and the proposition that we strive against pain are different ways of saying the same thing.” P: That is almost too neat. G: Which is why a philosopher likes it and distrusts it at once. P: Would Moretti-Costanzi have found that attractive? G: Surely. It lets one connect being alive, being active, and valuing without first erecting a theory of detached intellect. P: And there is the other passage, on discernment and preference. G: Ah yes. Stout quotes Fouillée to the effect that the force inherent in consciousness has its ground in the inseparable union of discernment, source of intelligence, and preference, source of will. P: So even where there is no explicit comparison, there can be implicit discernment and implicit preference. G: Exactly. Pain occurs, and I immediately endeavour after its suppression; no full reflective comparison is required. There is an unreasoned but active preference in favour of pleasure. P: A young Moretti-Costanzi could have read that as an anti-intellectualism of the right sort. G: Better: an anti-bloodlessness. Intelligence is not denied; it is rooted in life. P: Then why does Stout start to resist? G: Because he senses that Fouillée pushes practical priority too far. Stout says plainly: “it seems to us that he sometimes pushes this line of explanation too far.” P: On what ground? G: On the ground that Fouillée may commit what Stout calls “the psychologist’s fallacy.” P: Namely? G: Transferring the psychologist’s reflective point of view into the undeveloped consciousness whose growth is being described. P: So instead of the infant being simply absorbed by objects and occasions, Fouillée makes it sound as though the infant is already concerned with its own impulses, pleasures, pains, and appetitions. G: Precisely. That is one of Stout’s most Oxonianly sound complaints. He does not deny the doctrine’s direction; he denies a certain retrospective sophistication attributed to primitive mind. P: Modern developmental scruple, avant la lettre. G: Yes, but also plain philosophical hygiene. P: Then comes the psychophysical side. G: Which interested Stout enormously. Fouillée, as Stout reports, is uncompromising about the correlation of mental change and brain change. P: But without making mind a mere mechanical push on matter. G: Exactly. Fouillée says that the force of ideas does not consist in ideas mechanically acting on the body, as a finger acts on a trigger. Rather, each state of consciousness is united with a corresponding neural motion, and it is the neural process that continues physically. P: That sounds almost respectful to mechanism while refusing epiphenomenalism. G: Admirably put. Fouillée is more mechanist than the crude anti-mechanists, but more anti-epiphenomenalist than the crude mechanists. P: And Stout likes that. G: He does. He stresses that Fouillée combats the view that because physical effects have physical antecedents, the psychical side must be mere epiphenomenon. P: Hence the line that if one must use “epiphenomenon,” there is better reason to apply it to the physical than to the conscious. G: Exactly. Stout clearly relishes that reversal. P: Moretti-Costanzi, later moving toward being, ascetic consciousness, and spiritual metaphysics, could have taken that as permission. G: Yes. The 1934 laureando finds in Fouillée an anti-reductionist psychology that need not yet call itself theology. P: And Stout helps make that intelligible for Oxonian ears. G: That is the whole charm. Stout rewrites Fouillée as a philosophical psychologist rather than a Parisian impresario of compounds. P: Then sensation. G: Yes. Stout reports Fouillée’s account of sensation as originally a modification of appetitive activity, either by advancement or obstruction. P: Pleasure or pain again at the base. G: Exactly. And the evolution of sensations is determined by felt need, by what Stout quotes as Schopenhauer’s “will to live.” P: That would have interested a young Italian reader trained in metaphysical seriousness. G: Certainly. For it means that sentience is selected, differentiated, and organised under the pressure of life, not merely received as a passive mosaic. P: Yet Stout again qualifies. G: Always. He can admire Fouillée’s discussion without swallowing every formulation. That is why he is so useful. P: Then pleasure and pain more directly. G: Fouillée makes pleasure depend on efficient psychophysical activity and pain on obstructions that render it inefficient. P: Which sounds almost tailor-made for an anti-pessimistic critique. G: Indeed, and Stout says the arguments against the pessimistic theory that pleasure is mere release from pain are cogent. P: Because if activity as such is pleasurable when not defeated, one need not treat pain as the sole engine of mental life. G: Precisely. P: That too would appeal to Moretti-Costanzi, I suppose. G: Especially if he is later to think in terms of love, ascetic effort, and the positive structure of personhood. A merely negative psychology would be too poor. P: Then desire and volition. G: Here Stout is especially alive. Fouillée, he says, with Spencer, regards nascent movement as essential to primitive desire; but Fouillée adds that the counterpart in consciousness is “a certain tension, a certain psychical endeavour.” P: “The consciousness of an activity which demands exercise.” G: Yes. Stout quotes it approvingly. Desire is the felt tendency of an idea to actualise itself. P: That is almost the whole idea-forza doctrine in miniature. G: Exactly so. An idea is not merely before the mind; it leans toward fulfilment. P: And then willing becomes not mere judgement but the tendency of the idea of personal activity to realise itself. G: Very good. Stout quotes Fouillée against the reduction of will either to mere image-realisation or to mere judgement. The will is determination by a judgement that says the end depends on our own causality. P: That sounds very close to the action side of things, and therefore very close to the later Grice-Prichard line. G: Closer than one might think. It is why the review would have pleased me, had I read it in the thirties. Stout is making Fouillée relevant to willing, acting, doing, without turning him into mere literary French psychology. P: Yet there is the great break, where Stout objects to Fouillée’s treatment of idea and recognition. G: Ah yes. This is the point where Stout becomes most philosophically conservative in the good sense. Fouillée wants the transition from felt resemblance or difference to perception or idea to be a matter of reinforcement and salience. P: As if sufficient strengthening of what is merely felt could yield thought. G: Exactly. And Stout says no. He insists that the advent of idea is “the advent of an entirely new and irreducible mode of being conscious.” P: That is a very strong line. G: A crucial one. Stout will not allow objective reference to be dissolved into intensified feeling. P: He even says that thought consists in “objective reference,” where part of immediate experience is “referred away from itself and made adjectival to something else.” G: Yes, and that is perhaps the most important Oxonian service he renders Fouillée. He marks the exact place where feeling, striving, and appetite must not be allowed to swallow thought whole. P: Moretti-Costanzi might have wanted less resistance there. G: Possibly. A more modern, or more metaphysical, Italian might suspect Stout of preserving too much structure in the old faculty-psychological way. P: Preserving thought as a distinct function with its own dignity. G: Precisely. Stout even says he agrees with Fouillée against Platonisers who invoke a “pure spirit” for relations, but still insists on thought as a distinct mental function with a distinctive cerebral counterpart. P: So he rejects both crude empiricist reduction and inflated spiritualist rescue. G: Exactly. It is an exquisitely balanced position. P: That would make Fouillée attractive as a thesis subject at Bologna in 1934 because he allows one to work at the junction of psychology, will, freedom, and metaphysics, but without yet declaring for pure idealism. G: Yes. And remember the date. Moretti-Costanzi, born in 1912, graduates in 1934 at about twenty-two; the thesis on Fouillée is published in 1936, when he is twenty-four. P: So very young. G: Very young, and therefore perfectly placed to begin with a thinker who is not yet his final destination but who licenses the journey. P: And Stout, in 1893, had already translated Fouillée into terms that an Oxonian philosophical psychologist could take seriously. G: Exactly. He makes Fouillée less eccentric by making him answerable. P: You enjoy that. G: I do. A Frenchman with idées-forces becomes, under Stout’s pen, a man talking about sensation, appetite, memory, recognition, volition, and psychophysical correlation. P: Though Stout still keeps his knife ready. G: Lightly sharpened, yes. He says Fouillée scarcely does justice to the Herbartians here, pushes appetite too far there, abuses “association” elsewhere, and most importantly misses the irreducibility of thought as objective reference. P: Yet the verdict is generous. G: Very. He ends by saying all psychologists ought to read the work, and that those who do will be fully repaid. P: A handsome verdict. G: And therefore all the more valuable because it comes from a man who has not been dazzled. P: So if we imagine Moretti-Costanzi in Bologna choosing Fouillée, we should not picture him choosing a Parisian oddity, but a figure already filtered, in principle, through a serious Oxonian review. G: Yes. Even if he never read Stout, the path is there: Fouillée can enter English philosophical psychology without embarrassment. P: And then enter Italian metaphysics by a different gate. G: Exactly. P: Still, one wonders: why Fouillée rather than Bergson, say, or Brunschvicg, or some grander French name. G: Because Fouillée is transitional in the right way. Bergson might seduce too quickly into style. Fouillée is doctrinal enough, psychological enough, and metaphysical enough to look like work. P: “Ricerche” before revelation. G: Quite. P: And idea-forza itself, for Italian ears, would not sound comic. G: No. Italian can carry idea-forza with less embarrassment than English can carry idea-force. P: English wants either the French or a paraphrase. G: Exactly. English hears a slogan. Italian hears a concept. P: Then what would Grice admire in Stout’s review? G: Two things above all. First, the refusal to let a compound noun do the work of analysis. Second, the insistence that when one reaches thought proper one must talk about objective reference, not merely intensified feeling. P: That is very Gricean. G: It is. For what is the whole point of “meaning” if not that mental life is not exhausted by impact and reaction, but reaches out toward what is meant, intended, referred to? P: Yet Grice would still like the appetitive side. G: Certainly. He is not an angelic rationalist. He knows that thought and will and desire are entangled. But he would want the entanglement explained, not merely named. P: So Stout on Fouillée is a kind of prehistory of the later action-intention questions. G: Exactly. Which is why the review matters more than its date suggests. P: And why a young Moretti-Costanzi could begin there and later travel far beyond. G: Yes. One begins with idea-forza and ends with being, ascetic consciousness, love, death, eternity. But one begins respectably. P: And under Bologna respectability, one smuggles in metaphysics. G: Bologna has always known how to do that. P: Then one last question. If Stout is so sympathetic, why does he still feel “more conservative” than one needs? G: Because every good reviewer is conservative at the point where a doctrine threatens to dissolve distinctions that he thinks indispensable. P: Thought, especially. G: Thought especially. Stout is willing to psychologise a great deal, but not to the point of losing the difference between feeling a relation and thinking one. P: Moretti-Costanzi might later think that distinction too severe. G: He might. But he would be better for having first seen it drawn cleanly. P: So the young Italian metaphysician begins, paradoxically, with an Oxonianly intelligible Frenchman. G: Precisely. And that is why I am pleased with Stout. He does not make Fouillée less French. He makes him readable without apology. P: Which is perhaps the best thing a reviewer can do. G: Better than most books, certainly.Grice: Caro Costanzi, devo confessarti che il tuo saggio sull’amore mi ha stregato più di un sonetto di Petrarca! Dì un po’, per te amore è più platonico o più da cortile bolognese?Costanzi: Ah Grice, a Bologna si dice che l’amore vero si riconosce dal profumo dei tortellini e dalla luce sotto i portici! Ma tra Platone e la cucina emiliana, spesso vince la seconda… anche se qualche volta mi lascio trasportare dall’eros filosofico e sogno le idee eterne.Grice: E pensare che a Oxford l’eros si trova solo tra le pagine dei libri, e mai nei corridoi! Ma dimmi, Costanzi, tra amore e morte, tu preferisci discutere di tanatos o di una bella passeggiata al tramonto con una musa ispiratrice?Costanzi: Grice, chi dice che la filosofia deve essere sempre seriosa? Io dico che la vera rivelazione filosofica arriva quando, tra una meditazione inattuale e una cena in compagnia, si scopre che la vita è più dolce se condivisa… magari con un bicchiere di Sangiovese e una buona battuta sul cristianesimo-filosofia! Costanzi, Teodorico Moretti (1934). Fouillée. Sotto Tarozzi. TBologna.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Courmayeur – Ossia: Grice e Courmayeur: la ragione conversazionale e  l’implicatura conversazionale idealista. Alexandre Passerin d'Entrèves et Courmayeur (Torino, Piemonte): la ragione conversazionale e  l’implicatura conversazionale idealista. Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning treats talk as a cooperative, inferential enterprise in which what a speaker means can outrun what is explicitly said because hearers are entitled to reason from shared norms (relevance, sufficiency, etc.) and from recognizable communicative intentions to conversational implicatures that remain, in principle, accountable and cancellable. Passerin d’Entrèves et Courmayeur, by contrast, is presented in your passage as an idealist-inflected moral and political philosopher of the state, authority, law, and the “borderline” life of a minority region (Aosta/Valle d’Aosta, with its Italian–French legal-linguistic duality), where the central question is less how a hearer calculates an implicature from a particular utterance than how collective life generates legitimate authority and binding obligation: what “command,” “force,” and “law” can mean when legitimacy is the condition of authority (so that power without legitimacy is not authority at all). In Grice, normativity is local and conversational (a rational constraint on interpretation within an exchange); in Courmayeur, normativity is institutional and political (the conditions under which commands, rights, and civic identity are intelligible across languages and jurisdictions), so “implicature” becomes a metaphor for the way political language carries unspoken claims about legitimacy, common good, and membership—especially in a bilingual border culture where the same utterance can wear different juridical clothes. Where Grice’s model explains how meanings are derived by rational uptake, Courmayeur’s “idealism” makes meaning and authority co-constitutive with the ethical life of the res publica: conversation is not merely a channel for reasoning but one of the media through which a people becomes a people and a state becomes a legitimate state. Grice: “The most interesting thing about C.’s philosophy is that he is a count; unlike Locke, or the common-or-garden English Oxonian philosopher who doesn’t have a dime, this one has, as the Italians say, ‘all the money in the world’! That helps with philosophy! His forte is moral philosophy AND HEGEL, which proves that Hegel becomes the taste of aristocrats and not just dons like Bosanquet! It’s only natural that C. had such an intricate concept of ‘state.’ Hee was born in a minority, like Russell, who was born in a place which some called England, some called Wales. The situation is so borderline that it reminds me of my ancestors, the Ingvaeonic, and see all the problem the Frisians are having in Germany! Now they do recognise the ‘anglo-frisiche,’ but hardly allow them to vote!” It is not clear how the collectivity has any bearing on the third state of ‘state’: the ‘autorità,’ but then perhaps ‘autorità’ is the wrong concept, since it just means ‘author.’ C. is making the point that all authority is legitimate authority. You have no authority means you have  no legitimate power, and you have no power, means you have no legal force, and you have no force means you cannot command! As C. would say: it’s all different in valaestan, the vernacular of Aosta, which hardly has the same status as Italian, since giuridically Aosta belongs to Italy, or French, since French is its official language, along with Italian. But don’t ask that imperialist Crystal for an answer!” D’ascendenza valdostana si laurea a TORINO sotto SOLARI coll’idealismo. Studia sotto Ruffini e Einaudi filosofia politica e costituzione. Insegna a Torino. Lo stato. Ordina. Forzare imperativo, mando o commando efficace. potere forzare organizzato in una istituzione e qualificato dal giurato autorità potere del giurato qualificato da legge variable che promuove il buono comune, res publica, la terra dei padri. Morale, diritto ed economia obbedire obbligare nazione paese interiorizzato e ideato. Grice: “I was against browsing all journals, and came across Il Baretti. I asked Hardie. He had no idea, and therefore neither have I. Editor’s note: Il Baretti was a Turin-based literary and cultural journal founded and edited by Piero Gobetti, and its title deliberately commemorates Giuseppe Baretti (1719–1789), the sharp-tongued Italian critic and man of letters who spent much of his life in England (notably in London) and became a symbol of independent, anti-conformist intellectual style; Gobetti chose the name to signal a “European” orientation and a combative commitment to cultural criticism rather than provincial literary pieties. Courmayeur contributes to Il Barettii in 1922. Grice: Conte Courmayeur, trovo affascinante come lei unisca la filosofia morale e l’idealismo hegeliano, portando un tocco aristocratico alla discussione sullo stato. D’altronde, come dice il proverbio, “la nobiltà si vede dal cuore, non dal portafoglio”, ma in filosofia un po’ di risorse non guastano mai! Courmayeur: Caro Grice, la ringrazio per il suo apprezzamento. Il mio percorso tra idealismo e moralità nasce proprio dalla complessità della mia terra di confine, dove l’identità e l’autorità si intrecciano tra italiano e francese. Credo che l’autorità debba sempre essere legittima, altrimenti non è altro che vuoto potere. Grice: Saggio pensiero! Mi piace la sua riflessione sull’autorità: “chi non ha autorità, non ha forza, e chi non ha forza, non può comandare.” In fondo, anche la lingua della Valle d’Aosta dimostra quanto sia difficile stabilire confini netti: la giuridicità spesso si scontra con la realtà vissuta. Courmayeur: Esattamente, Grice! Lo stato, la res publica, è una terra dei padri interiorizzata e ideata, dove morale, diritto ed economia si fondono. Dobbiamo promuovere il bene comune, senza forzare, ma guidando con autorevolezza e rispetto per la pluralità delle identità. Così, anche il confine diventa un punto d’incontro, non di divisione. Courmayeur Alexandre Passerin d'Entrèves et (1922). Contributo. La Rivoluzione liberale.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cottroneo – Ossia: Grice e Cotroneo: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della VIRTÙ, andreia. Girolamo Cotroneo (Campo Calabro, Reggio Calabria, Calabria): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della VIRTÙ, andreia. Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning is a micro-account of how hearers legitimately get from what is said to what is meant: implicatures arise because speakers are presumed to be rational cooperators, so departures from maximal relevance, informativeness, etc. are treated as cues to intentions that can be inferred and, in principle, cancelled. Cotroneo, by contrast, is cast in your passage as a historian of ideas and of ethical-political vocabularies (from Croce and historicism to Aristotle and the “new rhetoric” of Perelman), so that “conversational reason” is less a local inferential calculus than a civic-ethical style of arguing about freedom, virtue, and the open society; what is “implied” in such discourse is often not a cancellable add-on but the inherited burden of concepts like virtù/aretè/andreia and the rhetorical resources by which communities teach, contest, and stabilize norms. In Grice, virtue enters mainly as a norm of talk (fairness, candour, cooperation) that makes implicature interpretable; in Cotroneo, virtue is itself the object of historical and philosophical interpretation, and rhetoric is not merely a vehicle for already-fixed meanings but part of how meanings (and moral horizons) are formed and transmitted. More specifically, the online bibliographic trail supports the institutional contrast you’re drawing: Cotroneo’s earliest substantial scholarly trajectory is tied to Messina and to Italian storicismo (first monograph Jean Bodin teorico della storia, 1966), with documented periodical collaboration earlier in the 1960s (Nord e Sud has digitized runs that could be searched issue-by-issue for his first signed contribution), whereas Grice’s program targets the rational mechanics of everyday conversational uptake; Cotroneo’s program targets the long durée in which reason becomes persuasive in public culture, where “implicature” is as much the subtext of tradition, ideology, and rhetorical framing as it is the by-product of a maxim in a single exchange. Si laurea Messina sotto Volpe. Insegna a Messina. Lo storicismo Bodin teorico della storia” (Napoli, Croce e l'Illuminismo; “I trattatisti dell'arte storica” (Napoli, Giannini); “Storicismo antico e moderno” Rareta e storia” (Napoli, Guida); “Societa chiusa, società aperta” (Messina, Armando Siciliano Editore); “La ragione della libertà” (Napoli, Edizioni Scientifiche Italiane); “Trittico siciliano: Scinà, Castiglia, Menza” (Roma, Cadmo); “Momenti della filosofia italiana; “Questione post-crociane” (Tra filosofia e politica; “Le idee del tempo. L'etica. La bioetica. I diritti. La pace, Un viandante della complessità. Morin filosofo a Messina, Annamaria Anselmo, “Croce e altri ancora, Etica ed economica” “La virtù”; “Croce filosofo italiano, Illuminismo, “Libertà” Storia della filosofia, Positivismo, Filosofia della storia; “Rinascimento, Aristotele e Perelman, Retorica vecchia e nuova” introduzione (Napoli, Il Tripode); La retorica di Aristotele, retorica antica, Perelman, Itinerari dell'idealismo italiano, Napoli, Giannini, Raffaello Franchini, Teoria della pre-visione” Croce, La religione della libertà. scritti politici, Il diritto alla filosofia, Atti del Seminario di studi su Franchini” (Soveria Mannelli, Rubbettino); “Croce filosofo, La Fenomenologia dello spirito” (Napoli, Bibliopolis); Cavour, Discorsi su Stato e Chiesa” Letteratura critica Reale, C., in Antiseri e Tagliagambe, Storia della filosofia, Lo storicismo di C., Giuseppe Giordano, Tra Storia della Filosofia e Liberalismo, in Carocci, Giordano, Virtù disposizione d'animo volta al bene. La virtù (dal latino virtus; in greco ἀρετή aretè) è una disposizione d'animo volta al bene, che consiste nella capacità di una persona di eccellere in qualcosa, di compiere un certo atto in maniera ottimale, o di essere o agire in un modo ritenuto perfetto secondo un punto di vista morale, religioso, o anche sociale in base a alla cultura di riferimento.  VIRTÙ, retorica, retorica di Aristotele, retorica nuova, retorica moderna, Perelman, rareta e storia. GRICE: Cotroneo, caro, la virtù è davvero una questione di disposizione d’animo, ma a Messina si trova più virtù o più arancini? COTRONEO: Ah, Grice, a Messina la virtù si misura anche dalla capacità di non mangiare troppo… ma ti confesso che davanti agli arancini, l’andreia greca vacilla! GRICE: Senza dubbio, Cotroneo! Aristotele diceva che la virtù sta nel mezzo, ma tra l’arancino e la retorica moderna, quale scegli? Io direi: meglio una retorica ben fritta che una virtù insipida! COTRONEO: Grice, tu hai ragione! In Calabria, la virtù è essere ospitali e ironici: come dice la zia, “meglio una battuta che una predica!” La filosofia? Va servita col sorriso e magari un po’ di raretà! Cotroneo, Girolamo (1963). Contributo. Nord e Sud.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cotta – Ossia: Grice e Cotta: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale nella storia del diritto romano, Sergio Cotta (Firenze, Toscana): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale nella storia del diritto romano. Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning treats conversation as a cooperative, inferential practice: what a speaker means can outrun what is literally said because rational hearers, assuming shared norms (relevance, adequate information, etc.), can calculate implicatures as the best explanation of why the speaker spoke that way in that context. Cotta, by contrast, is best aligned with your “conversational reason” theme not as a pragmatics technician but as a philosopher of law who treats normativity as rooted in co-existence and in the public, historically thick languages of obligation, oath, rule, and peace: his ontofenomenologia of right (as summarized in Treccani) makes the relation with the other constitutive, so that “conversation” becomes a juridical-civic structure (from jurato and normato to concordato) rather than merely a model of utterance-interpretation, and the “extra” that is conveyed is often institutional rather than cancellable. Hence the contrast: Grice explains how a single utterance can rationally imply more than it says, while Cotta’s central interest is how whole normative vocabularies (law, violence, war/peace, political limits, personhood) make certain meanings binding and socially efficacious in the first place; where Grice’s implicature is detachable and in principle retractable, Cotta’s “implications” often function like commitments embedded in legal and political forms that are meant to survive retraction. The overlap is that both resist reductionism—Grice against reducing meaning to semantics alone, Cotta against reducing right to mere positivistic technique—and both foreground rational accountability; but they locate it differently: Grice in the hearer’s inference from cooperative reasoning, Cotta in the intersubjective foundations of normativity that make “cum-cor” (convening hearts, a shared ground for agreement) more than a metaphor, the civic condition for moving, as his later work explicitly puts it, from war toward peace (Dalla guerra alla pace, 1989) and for asking why violence arises at all (Perché la violenza?, 1978). Grice: “My favourite explorations by C. are three: ‘per che violenza?” – “dalla guerra alla pace: un itinerario filosofico” and a secondary-literature study on ‘i concordati’ --- which is MY philosophy. You see, Plato thought that the soul resided in the brain – cool as he was – but Aristotle corrected him: it resides in the HEART – Cicero loved that and coined ‘cum-cor’ – i.e. something like my cum-operare: your hearts convene!” I would say C. is Italy’s Hart, with a bonus – he wrote on essentialism, deontic logic, and from war to peace!”  Si laurea a Firenze. filosofia politica dell'Illuminismo filosofia gius-naturalistica, fenomenologia. Studia FILANGIERI Aquino diritto Insegna a Roma. La società; “Il concetto di ‘legge’ in Filangieri; “Il concetto di ‘legge’ in Aquino” Il concetto di Roma come città in Agostino”; “Filosofia e politica nell'opera di Rousseau”; “La sfida tecnologica”; “L'uomo tolemaico” – la ferita narcissista di Galileo – “Quale Resistenza?, Perché la violenza; “Il normato: tra il giurato e l’obbligato”; “Il diritto nell'esistenza. Linee di ontofenomenologia giuridica”; “Dalla guerra alla pace”; “l’uomo, la persona, il diritto umano”; L’inter-soggetivo giurato”; “I limiti della politica, “Il sistema di valori e il diritto”; Perché il diritto Quid ius?”. Stante la concessione chirografata dall'ex re Umberto II, C. puo fregiarsi del titulo nobiliare di “conte”, sia pure del tutto informalmente stante l'instaurazione dell'ordinamento repubblicano e la disposizione finale e Occidente, 2 International roman law moot court Diritto latino romano, diritto, su Diritto romano l’inter-soggetivo, il giurato, il normato. La prima ferita narcissista, Filangieri, giurato, l’uomo galileano, l’obbligato, il normato, Latin ‘normare’, not recognized in Dizionario etimologico, il giurato d’entrambi, il concordato d’entrambi, fenomenologia, Roma citta, polis, politea, res publica, pubblico e privato. Grice: Conte Cotta, ti confesso che le tue esplorazioni mi fanno impazzire: “perché violenza?”, “dalla guerra alla pace”, e quel tuo studio sui concordati… quasi quasi mi viene voglia di fondare una nuova Accademia, ma stavolta in pace, senza guerre di parole!Cotta: Ah, caro Grice, mi lusinghi! Ma sai, in Italia la filosofia del diritto è un po’ come il caffè espresso: se non è forte, non sveglia nessuno! E poi, la pace va sempre concordata… pure tra i cuori, “cum-cor”, come diceva Cicero – mica solo tra giurati!Grice: Esatto! Platone puntava sul cervello, Aristotele sul cuore… Io direi che la ragione conversazionale si nasconde tra le due, come una moneta sotto la tazzina! E tu, con la tua fenomenologia giuridica, sembri proprio il barista della filosofia: sempre pronto a servire una legge fresca!Cotta: Grice, ti ringrazio! Ma ricordati: una buona conversazione non si fa solo con la logica, bisogna aggiungere un pizzico di ironia e magari qualche battuta toscana – perché, come dice la mia nonna fiorentina, “meglio un diritto ben condito che una legge insipida!” Cotta, Sergio (1945). Dissertazione. Firenze. Facolta di Scienze Politiche.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cozzio -- Grice e Cozzio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cozzio. The Cottii are a family of equestrian rank. It is known chiefly from the brothers Marcus and Publius C., equites of Tauromenium in Sicily. They served as witnesses against Verres.[1][2]  See also List of Roman gentes References  Marcus Tullius Cicero, In Verrem, v. 64.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)    GENS         This article about Roman gentes is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by adding missing information.  Categories: Roman gentesRoman gentes stubs For this gens we can reconstuct a conversation where each Cozzio is treated individually -- rather than as 'collective witness' -- thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cozzio -- Grice e Cozzio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cozzio. Yes, precisely because the gens is so thinly attested, I would avoid treating the Cottii as a collective witness-pair and instead give each brother an individual Gricean personality. Historically, all we really know from your source is that:  Marcus Cottius and Publius Cottius, equites of Tauromenium in Sicily, appeared as witnesses against Verres. citeturn369search56? no source available in tools for this exact item; based on user-provided text only  The sparse evidence is actually a literary advantage. I. Grice and Marcus Cottius: the epistemologist Marcus is interested in:  "How do you know Verres did it?"  Grice e Marco Cozzio MARCVS  I saw Verres take it.  GRICEVS  Saw him take it, or inferred that he took it?  MARCVS  I saw the men carrying it away.  GRICEVS  Then strictly speaking you did not see Verres take it.  MARCVS  Everyone knew it was Verres.  GRICEVS  Ah! Now we have moved from perception to implication.  This becomes a dialogue on evidence.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Cozzio -- Grice e Cozzio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Cozzio. Grice and Publius Cottius: the witness Publius is interested in testimony. Grice e Publio Cozzio PVBLIVS  I testified against Verres.  GRICEVS  Did you tell the truth?  PVBLIVS  Certainly.  GRICEVS  Did you tell the whole truth?  PVBLIVS  I told enough.  GRICEVS  Enough for justice, or enough for Cicero?  Now we have a conversation about conversational quantity. A witness never says everything. He says enough. Grice instantly notices the distinction.  III. The brothers together Even better, make them disagree. De Duobus Testibus MARCVS  We saw the same event.  PVBLIVS  Therefore our testimonies agree.  GRICEVS  Why?  MARCVS  Because the event was one.  GRICEVS  Yet two honest witnesses often report different things.  PVBLIVS  Then one remembers badly.  GRICEVS  Not necessarily.  This becomes a discussion of:  observation, memory, inference, testimony.  Very Gricean territory.  Of the two, I would make Marcus the philosopher of evidence and Publius the practical witness. The surviving historical fact is merely that both testified against Verres. But from a Gricean viewpoint, a witness is never merely a witness: he is someone who must decide what he saw, what he inferred, and what he should say. That is enough material for an entire dialogue.