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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabiano – Ossia: Grice e Fabiani: l’astuzia della ragione conversazionale nell’Italia Luciano Fabiani: l’astuzia della ragione conversazionale nell’Italia, filosofia italiana (Roma). Filosofo italiano. Grice e Fabiani. IL PENSIERO FILOSOFICO ITALIANO X)A X)ANT AI TSMtPX NOSTKX RAVENNA ZIRARDINI ^v/'i^./iT : ' f ; r'. DEC 4 Y .r, .\ / oSeni^fto ^^Uolt Oliando in questo scorcio del secolo nostra io trovo la mente acuta e profonda dell' On, BoviOy gigante del moderno pensiero filosofico italiano ali* Universit di ^N^apoli, chiamare t dimostrare il nostro T)ante il primo dei protestanti e V uU timo dei cattolici ( Vedi Bovio. Saggio Critico del Diritto Penale). Quando trovo un Ministro italiano della Pubblica h stru^ione, V On. Voselli, che osa, con %,. Decreto // 7)e cemhre iSSp, fondare un laboratorio di psicologia sperimentale presso V Universit di Roma; Quando vedo il giovine imperatore di Germania Gugliel mo IL che annusando la nuova aura e il nuovo sole d' Europa e del mondo civile, mira arditamente a Prometeo incolume e trovasi novello Fetonte^ nel voler destra e generosamente prendere le redini del movimento ascendente, per non esserne travolto; Quando infine, e proprio di questi giorni^ rilevo il primo filosofo d' Inghilterra, il rappresentante attuale del positivismo filosofico inglese, V illustre Herbert Spencer essere pervenuto^ nelle sue ultime pubblicazioni sociologiche, alla conseguenza della collettivit della terra; Quando, dico, in questo secolo che muore, questi quattro fatti e criteri importantissimi nel mondo del moderno pensiero filosofico io considero^ mi sento incoraggiato a superare e rompere in parte, con la presente pubblicazione ^ quel naturale riserbo e quella peritanza, che ^finora m' impose la coscienza della mia pochezza Mi sia adunque concesso e perdonato l'osare che ora faccio, pubblicando la conferenza circa il pensiero ftlosofteo italiano da Dante fino ai tempi nostri, che io avea gi apparecchiato, sebbene non potesse poi aver pi luogo, in occasione delle feste dantesche del passato Maggio qui in Ravenna. Grice: “St John’s, 1950. Austin’s Saturday mornings are enough to convince you that English poetry is the only poetry—as if the canon began with Donne and ended with Donne, with a brief, sanctioned excursion to Dryden when the mood takes him. Yesterday he had a proper set-to with Nowell Smith about how intelligible—or was it un-intelligible?—Donne is allowed to be in the sonnets. Austin was in his element: condemning obscurity as if it were a breach of college statutes. And all the while—Dante not so much as mentioned. One would think Italy produced only Chianti and commas. But I have, before my very eyes, a small revenge: a pamphlet I lifted from the Bodleian on Friday—Il pensiero filosofico italiano da Dante ai nostri tempi (Ravenna, 1890), by one Luciano Fabiani. I almost pity the fellow. He explains—earnestly, apologetically—that these were notes prepared for a lecture to be delivered in May at the Dante festivities; but (for reasons of length, and perhaps because the crowd had other appetites) the lecture never happened. So—he adds—Zirardini has kindly printed the whole business. “The whole business,” indeed. It begins, more or less, with Dante’s death—no hesitation, no throat-clearing—and then gallops, with admirable Italian confidence, ai nostri tempi (which in this particular case means: Bovio, Boselli, the Kaiser sniffing the European air, and Spencer blundering into “the collectivity of the earth”). The title pensiero filosofico italiano is a warning label: you are promised, implicitly, that even when foreign names appear, they will be treated as passing weather—useful as a backdrop for properly Italian nouns, properly declined, in the proper language. It is exactly the sort of thing to give Austin a headache: a text in which philosophy proceeds by public occasion, rhetorical civility, and patriotic bibliography—where disagreement is handled the way Italians handle street traffic: by gesture, timing, and a shared understanding that reason does not so much march as converse. I am tempted to bring it along next Saturday and place it in front of him—quietly, like an unexploded device. Not to start an argument (Austin starts those perfectly well on his own), but to see whether he can manage a single remark about Dante without first insisting that we look up “Dante” in the dictionary. If he can, I shall take it as approval. If he cannot, I shall take it as confirmation.” Grice: Fabiani, la tua “astuzia della ragione conversazionale” mi piace: in Italia la ragione non marcia, fa conversazione e intanto vince senza farsi notare. Fabiani: Appunto, Grice: basta citare Dante “primo protestante e ultimo cattolico” e tutti, pur dissentendo, si ritrovano già d’accordo per pura educazione retorica. Grice: E quando un ministro fonda un laboratorio di psicologia a Roma, l’implicatura è che la mente vuole diventare un fatto—ma senza rinunciare al gesto teatrale. Fabiani: E se poi Spencer arriva alla “collettività della terra”, la nostra astuzia è rispondere con un sorriso ravennate: “Benissimo, ma prima discutiamone con calma, così la conclusione sembra tua e non mia.” Fabiani, Luciano (1890). Il pensiero filosofico italiano da Dante ai nostri tempi. Conferenza per le feste dantesche, Ravenna.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabio – Ossia: Grice e Fabio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fabio. Statue of Quintus F. Maximus Verrucosus, made for Schönbrunn Palace, Vienna. The Fabii was one of the most ancient PATRICIAN families of ancient Rome. The gens played a prominent part in history soon after the establishment of the Republic, and three brothers were invested with seven successive consulships, thereby cementing the high repute of the family. Overall, the F. received 45 consulships during the Republic. The house derived its greatest lustre from the patriotic courage and tragic fate of the 306 Fabii in the Battle of the Cremera. But the Fabii were not distinguished as warriors alone; several members of the gens were also important in the history of Roman literature and the arts. The family is generally thought to have been counted amongst the gentes maiores, the most prominent of the patrician houses at Rome, together with the Emilii, Claudii, Cornelii, Manlii, and Valerii; but no list of the gentes maiores has survived, and even the number of families so designated is a complete mystery. The F. were staunch supporters of the aristocratic policies favouring the patricians and the senate against the plebs. However, following a great battle against the Veientes, in which victory was achieved only by cooperation between the generals and their soldiers, the F. aligned themselves with the plebs. One of the thirty-five voting tribes into which the Roman people were divided was named after the Fabii; several tribes were named after important gentes, including the tribes Aemilia, Claudia, Cornelia, Fabia, Papiria, Publilia, Sergia, and Veturia. Several of the others appear to have been named after lesser families.  The most famous legend of the F. asserts that, following the last of the seven consecutive consulships, the gens undertook the war with Veii as a private obligation. A militia consisting of over three hundred men of the gens, together with their friends and clients, a total of some four thousand men, stationed itself in arms on a hill overlooking the Cremera, a small river between Rome and Veii. The cause of this secession is said to have been the enmity between the F. and the patricians, who regarded them as traitors for advocating the causes of the plebeians. The Fabian militia remained in their camp on the Cremera for two years, successfully opposing the Veientes, until at last, on the fifteenth day before the kalends of Sextilis—they were lured into an ambush and destroyed. Three hundred and six F. of fighting age were said to have perished in the disaster, leaving only a single survivor to return home. By some accounts he was the only survivor of the entire gens; but it seems unlikely that the camp of the Fabii included not only all of the men, but the women and children of the family as well. They and the elders of the gens probably remained at Rome.  This story was considerably embellished at a later date in order to present the Battle of the Cremera as a Roman counterpart to the Greek Battle of Thermopylae. However, Cornell writes that there is no reason to doubt the historicity of the battle, because the tribus Fabia—presumably where the F. had their country estates—was located near the Cremera, on the border with Veii. The day on which the F. perished was forever remembered, as it was the same day that the Gauls defeated the Roman army at the Battle of the Allia. The Gauls had marched on Rome only in retaliation after Quintus F. Ambustus, sent as an ambassador, broke a truce to attack the Gauls at Clusium. Throughout the history of the Republic, the F. made several alliances with other prominent families, especially plebeian and Italian ones, which partly explains their long prominence. The first of such alliances that can be traced dates from the middle of the fifth century and was with the Poetelii; it lasted for at least a century. In the fourth century, the F. were allied to the patrician Manlii and the plebeian Genucii and Licinii, whom they supported during the Conflict of the Orders. They then occupied an unprecedented leading position in the third century, as three generations of F. were princeps senatus—a unique occurrence during the Republic. During this period, they allied with the plebeian Atilii from Campania, where the F. had significant estates, the Fulvii and Mamilii from Tusculum, the Otacili from Beneventum, the Ogulnii from Etruria, and the Marcii.[21] They also sponsored the emergence of the Caecilii Metelli and Porcii, who owed their first consulate to the F.,[22] as well as the re-emergence of the patrician Quinctii.[23] The main direction of the second war against Carthage was disputed between the F. and the Cornelii Scipiones.[24] The death of F. Verrucosus marks the end of the Fabian leadership on Roman politics, by now assumed by their rivals: Scipio Africanus and his family.[25] After the consulship of F. Maximus Eburnus, the F. entered a century-long eclipse, until their temporary revival under Augustus.  The name of the Fabii was associated with one of the two colleges of the Luperci, the priests who carried on the sacred rites of the ancient religious festival of the Lupercalia. The other college bore the name of the Quinctilii, suggesting that in the earliest times these two gentes superintended these rites as a sacrum gentilicum, much as the Pinarii and Potitii maintained the worship of Hercules. Such sacred rites were gradually transferred to the state, or opened to the Roman populus; a well-known legend attributed the destruction of the Potitii to the abandonment of its religious office. In later times the privilege of the Lupercalia had ceased to be confined to the F. and the Quinctilii. The Capitoline Wolf with Romulus and Remus. One legend holds that their respective followers were called the Quinctilii and the F.. According to legend, the F. claimed descent from Hercules, who visited Italy a generation before the Trojan War, and from Evander, his host, through F. This brought the F. into the same tradition as the Pinarii and Potitii, who were said to have welcomed Hercules and learned from him the sacred rites which for centuries afterward they performed in his honor. Another early legend stated that at the founding of Rome, the followers of the brothers Romulus and Remus were called the Quinctilii and the F., respectively. The brothers were said to have offered up sacrifices in the cave of the Lupercal at the base of the Palatine Hill, which became the origin of the Lupercalia. This story is certainly connected with the tradition that the two colleges of the Luperci bore the names of these ancient gentes. The nomen of the F. is said originally to have been Fovius, Favius, or Fodius; PLINIO states that it was derived from faba, a bean, a vegetable which the F. were said to have first cultivated. A more fanciful explanation derives the name from fovea, ditches, which the ancestors of the F. were said to have used in order to capture wolves.  It is uncertain whether the F. were of Latin or Sabine origin. Niebuhr, followed by Göttling, considered them Sabines. However, other scholars are unsatisfied with their reasoning, and point out that the legend associating the F. with Romulus and Remus would place them at Rome before the incorporation of the Sabines into the nascent Roman state.  It may nonetheless be noted that, even supposing this tradition to be based on actual historical events, the followers of the brothers were described as "shepherds," and presumably included many of the people then living in the countryside where the city of Rome was to be built. The hills of Rome were already inhabited at the time of the city's legendary founding, and they stood in the hinterland between the Latins, Sabines, and Etruscans. Even if many the followers of Romulus and Remus were Latins from the ancient city of Alba Longa, many may also have been Sabines already living in the surrounding countryside. The earliest generations of the F. favoured the praenomina Caeso, Quintus, and Marcus. They were the only patrician gens to make regular use of Numerius, which appears in the family after the destruction of the F. at the Cremera. According to the tradition related by Festus, this praenomen entered the gens when Quintus Fabius Vibulanus, the consul, married a daughter of Numerius Otacilius of Maleventum, and bestowed his father-in-law's name on his son. Although the F. Ambusti and some later branches of the family used the praenomen Gaius, Quintus is the name most frequently associated with the F. of the later Republic. The F. Maximi used it almost to the exclusion of all other names until the end of the Republic, when they revived the ancient praenomen Paullus.[iv] This was done in honor of the Aemilii Paulli, from whom the later F. Maximi were descended, having been adopted into the Fabia gens at the end of the 3rd century BC. A variety of surnames associated with the Aemilii were also used by this family, and one of the F. was called Africanus F. Maximus, although his proper name was Quintus F. Maximus Africanus. In a manuscript of TULLIO Cicero, Servius appears among the F. Pictores, but this seems to have been a corruption in the manuscript, which originally read Numerius. Denarius of Gaius F. Hadrianus, 102 BC. On the obverse is the head of Cybele, a possible allusion to the visit to Rome of Battaces, a priest of Magna Mater. The reverse depicts Victoria driving a biga, with a flamingo below. The cognomina of the F. under the Republic were Ambustus, Buteo, Dorso or Dorsuo, Labeo, Licinus, Maximus (with the agnomina Aemilianus, Allobrogicus, Eburnus, Gurges, Rullianus, Servilianus, and Verrucosus), Pictor, and Vibulanus. Other cognomina belonged to persons who were not, strictly speaking, members of the gens, but who were freedmen or the descendants of freedmen, or who had been enrolled as Roman citizens under the F.. The only cognomina appearing on coins are Hispaniensis, Labeo, Maximus, and Pictor.[2][54]  In imperial times it becomes difficult to distinguish between members of the gens and unrelated persons sharing the same nomen. Members of the gens are known as late as the second century, but persons bearing the name of F. continue to appear into the latest period of the Empire. The eldest branch of the F. bore the cognomen Vibulanus, which may allude to an ancestral home of the gens. The surname Ambustus, meaning "burnt", replaced Vibulanus at the end of the fifth century BC; the first of the F. to be called Ambustus was a descendant of the Vibulani. The most celebrated stirps of the Fabia gens, which bore the surname Maximus, was in turn descended from the F. Ambusti. This family was famous for its statesmen and its military exploits, which lasted from the Samnite Wars, in the fourth century BC until the wars with the Germanic invaders of the second century BC. Most, if not all of the later F. Maximi were descendants of Quintus F. Maximus Aemilianus, one of the Aemilii Paulli, who as a child was adopted into that illustrious family. Buteo, which described a type of hawk, was originally given to a member of the Fabia gens because such a bird on one occasion settled upon his ship with a favorable omen. This tradition, related by Plinius, does not indicate which of the F. first obtained this surname, but it was probably one of the F. Ambusti. Crawford suggests that the buteo of the legend was not a hawk, but a flamingo, based on the appearance of a bird resembling a flamingo on the coins of Gaius F. Hadrianus, who may have sought to associate himself with that family by the use of such a symbol. Hadrianus and his descendants form the last distinguishable family of the F.. Their surname was probably derived from the Latin colony of Hatria, and it is likely that they were not lineal descendants of the F. Buteones, but newly-enfranchised citizens.[57] The flamingo might also allude to the family's coastal origins.  The surname Pictor, borne by another family of the F., signifies a painter, and the earliest known member of this family was indeed a painter, famed for his work in the temple of Salus, built by Gaius Junius Bubulcus Brutus. The later members of this family, several of whom were distinguished in the arts, appear to have been his descendants, and must have taken their cognomen from this ancestor.[2] The cognomen Labeo—originally denoting someone with prominent lips—appears at the beginning of the second century BC; Quintus F. Labeo, the first of that name, was also a poet, but his line vanished before the end of the century.  Coin of one of the Fabii Maximi, minted during the reign of Augustus Fabii Vibulani et Ambusti Caeso Fabius Vibulanus, father of Quintus, Caeso, and Marcus, consuls from 485 to 479 BC. Quintus Fabius K. f. Vibulanus, consul in 485 and 482 BC. He waged war against the Volsci and Aequi. He fell in battle against the Veientes in 480.[61][62][63] Caeso Fabius K. f. Vibulanus, quaestor in 485 BC, he prosecuted Spurius Cassius Vecellinus, consul of the preceding year, on a charge of treason. Consul in 484, 481, and 479, Fabius continued the war against the Aequi and Veii. He led the Fabii at the Battle of the Cremera, where he died. Marcus Fabius K. f. Vibulanus, consul in 483 and 480 BC. He resigned two months before the end of his second consulship, after sustaining injuries in a battle against Veii, during which his brother Quintus was slain. Quintus Fabius M. f. K. n. Vibulanus, consul in 467, 465, and 459. The only survivor of the Battle of the Cremera. He fought against the Aequi in each of his consulships, and was awarded a triumph during the last one. He was finally a member of the second Decemvirate in 450, and also urban prefect in 462 and 458.[44][81][82][83] Marcus Fabius Vibulanus, named by Diodorus as one of the consuls in 457 BC, together with Cincinnatus. The majority of ancient sources name Gaius Horatius Pulvillus and Quintus Minucius Esquilinus as the consuls of this year.[84][85] Marcus Fabius Q. f. M. n. Vibulanus, consul in 442 BC, legate during the war against Veii in 437, consular tribune in 433, and legate in 431.[86][87][88] Numerius Fabius Q. f. M. n. Vibulanus, consul in 421, and consular tribune in 415 and 407 BC.[89][90] Quintus Fabius Q. f. M. n. Vibulanus, consul in 423 and consular tribune in 416 and 414 BC.[91][92] Quintus Fabius M. f. Q. n. Vibulanus Ambustus, consul in 412 BC.[93] Caeso Fabius M. f. Q. n. Ambustus, consular tribune in 404, 401, 395, and 390 BC.[94][95] Numerius Fabius M. f. Q. n. Ambustus, consular tribune in 406 and 390 BC.[95][96] Quintus Fabius M. f. Q. n. Ambustus, consular tribune in 390 BC.[95][97] Marcus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Ambustus, pontifex maximus in 390 BC.[95][97] Marcus Fabius K. f. M. n. Ambustus, consular tribune in 381 and 369 BC, and censor in 363; supported the lex Licinia Sextia, which granted the plebeians the right to hold the consulship.[98][99] Fabia M. f. K. n., married Servius Sulpicius Praetextatus, consular tribune in 377, 376, 370, and 368 BC.[100][101][102] Fabia M. f. K. n., married Gaius Licinius Calvus Stolo, consul in 364 and 361 BC.[100][101][102] Marcus Fabius N. f. M. n. Ambustus, consul in 360, 356, and 354 BC, and princeps senatus; triumphed over the Tiburtines.[103][104] Gaius Fabius N. f. M. n. Ambustus, consul in 358 BC.[105] Marcus Fabius M. f. N. n. Ambustus, magister equitum in 322 BC.[106] Quintus Fabius Ambustus, nominated dictator in 321 BC, but compelled to resign due to a fault in the auspices.[107] Gaius Fabius M. f. N. n. Ambustus, appointed magister equitum in 315 BC, in place of Quintus Aulius, who fell in battle.[108] Fabii Dorsuones et Licini Gaius Fabius Dorsuo, bravely left the Capitoline Hill to perform a sacrifice when Rome was occupied by the Gauls following the Battle of the Allia in 390 BC, eluding the Gallic sentries both on his departure and his return.[109][110] Marcus Fabius (C. f.) Dorsuo, consul in 345 BC, carried on the war against the Volsci and captured Sora.[111][112] Gaius Fabius M. f. M. n. Dorsuo Licinus, consul in 273 BC, died during his year of office.[113][114] Marcus Fabius C. f. M. n. Licinus, consul in 246 BC.[99] Fabii Maximi Quintus Fabius M. f. N. n. Maximus Rullianus, magister equitum in 325 or 324, consul in 322, 310, 308, 297, and 295 BC, dictator in 315 and censor in 304, princeps senatus; triumphed in 322, 309, and 295. Quintus Fabius Q. f. M. n. Maximus Gurges, consul in 292, 276, and 265 BC, princeps senatus; triumphed in 291 and 276. Quintus Fabius (Maximus), aedile in 266 BC, he assaulted the ambassadors of Apollonia, and was remanded to the custody of the Apolloniates, but was dismissed unharmed.[vi][115][116][117][118][119] Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Maximus Verrucosus, nicknamed Cunctator, consul in 233, 228, 215, 214 and 209 BC, censor in 230, and dictator in 221 and 217, princeps senatus; triumphed in 233. Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Maximus, consul in 213 BC.[120][121][122] Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Maximus, appointed augur in 203 BC.[123] Quintus Fabius Maximus, praetor peregrinus in 181 BC.[124] Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Maximus Aemilianus, consul in 145 BC, the son of Lucius Aemilius Paullus, conqueror of Macedonia; as a child he was adopted by Quintus Fabius Maximus the praetor. Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Maximus Allobrogicus, consul in 121 BC, and censor in 108; triumphed over the Allobroges. Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Maximus Allobrogicus, son of the consul of 121 BC; remarkable only for his vices.[125][126] Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Maximus Servilianus, consul in 142 BC.[127][128][129][130] Quintus Fabius Maximus Eburnus, consul in 116 BC, he condemned one of his sons to death; being accused by Gnaeus Pompeius Strabo, he went into exile.[131][132][133] Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Maximus, legate of Caesar, and consul suffectus in 45 BC.[134][135][136][137][138] Paullus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Maximus, consul in 11 BC. Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Maximus Africanus, better known as Africanus Fabius Maximus, consul in 10 BC. Quintus Fabius Allobrogicinus Maximus, named in an inscription from the Augustan era, now lost.[139] Paullus Fabius Paulli f. Q. n. Persicus, consul in AD 34. (Fabia) Eburna, inferred by Ronald Syme from an inscription naming Eutychia, the slave-girl of a woman named Eburna; another inscription names a slave-woman named Alexa, perhaps belonging to the same Eburna.[140][141] Fabius Numantinus, one of eight young men admitted to an undetermined sacerdotal college, possibly the sodales Titii, between AD 59 and 64.[142] Fabii Pictores  Denarius of Numerius Fabius Pictor, 126 BC. On the obverse is the head of Roma; on the reverse is Quintus Fabius Pictor, the praetor of 189, holding an apex and shield inscribed QVIRIN, alluding to his status of Flamen Quirinalis. Gaius Fabius M. f. Pictor, painted the interior of the temple of Salus, dedicated in 302 BC.[143][144][145][146][147] Gaius Fabius C. f. M. n. Pictor, consul in 269 BC.[148] Numerius Fabius C. f. M. n. Pictor, ambassador in 273 BC, he accompanied Quintus Fabius Maximus Gurges to the court of Ptolemy II Philadelphos. Consul in 266, he triumphed over the Sassinates, and again over the Sallentini and Messapii.[99][149][150] Quintus Fabius C. f. C. n. Pictor, ambassador in 216 BC, he was sent to consult the oracle of Delphi in order to find ways to appease the gods after the disaster of Cannae. Pictor is known as the earliest of the Latin historians, although he wrote in Greek; he was an important source for later annalists, but most of his own work has been lost.[151][152] Quintus Fabius Q. f. C. n. Pictor, praetor in 189 BC, received Sardinia as his province, but was compelled by the pontifex maximus to remain at Rome, because he was Flamen Quirinalis; his abdication was rejected by the senate, which designated him praetor peregrinus. He died in 167.[153][154] Numerius Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Pictor, an annalist and antiquarian of the second century BC.[155][52][156] Numerius Fabius N. f. Q. n. Pictor, triumvir monetalis in 126 BC.[2][157] Fabii Buteones Numerius Fabius M. f. M. n. Buteo, consul in 247 BC, during the First Punic War.[99][158] Marcus Fabius M. f. M. n. Buteo, consul in 245 BC, censor, probably in 241; appointed dictator in 216 to fill the vacancies in the senate after the Battle of Cannae.[159][160] Fabius M. f. M. n. Buteo, according to Orosius, accused of theft, and slain in consequence by his own father.[161] Marcus Fabius Buteo, praetor in 201 BC, obtained Sardinia as his province.[162] Quintus Fabius Buteo, praetor in 196 BC, obtained the province of Hispania Ulterior.[163] Quintus Fabius Buteo, praetor in 181 BC, obtained Gallia Cisalpina as his province.[164] Numerius Fabius Buteo, praetor in 173 BC, obtained the province of Hispania Citerior, but died at Massilia on his way to his province.[165] Quintus Fabius Buteo, quaestor in 134 BC; apparently the son of Quintus Fabius Maximus Aemilianus, and nephew of Scipio Aemilianus, by whom he was entrusted with the command of four thousand volunteers during the Numantine War.[166][167] Fabii Labeones  Denarius of Quintus Fabius Labeo, 124 BC. The obverse depicts the head of Roma, while the obverse shows Jupiter driving a quadriga. The prow below alludes to his grandfather's naval triumph. Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Labeo, quaestor urbanus in 196 BC. Praetor then propraetor in 189 and 188, he defeated the naval forces of Antiochus III, for which he received a naval triumph the following year. He was triumvir for establishing the colonies of Potentia and Pisaurum in 184, and Saturnia in 183. He was consul in 183, and proconsul in Liguria the following year. He also became pontiff in 180, and was part of a commission of ten men sent to advise Aemilius Paullus on the settlement of Macedonia in 167. He was also a poet, according to Suetonius.[168][169][170][171] Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Labeo, a learned orator known whose eloquence is mentioned by Cicero. He must have lived about the middle of the second century BC, and either he or more probably his son was proconsul in Spain, where the name occurs on some milestones.[172][173][174] Quintus Fabius Q. f. Q. n. Labeo, triumvir monetalis in 124 BC. He was probably proconsul in Spain between 120 and 100 BC.[175][173][176][174] Fabii Hadriani Gaius Fabius C. f. Q. n. Hadrianus, triumvir monetalis in 102 BC. A supporter of Cinna and Carbo during the Civil War against Sulla, he was appointed praetor of Africa in 84 BC. He remained there as propraetor for two years, but his government was so oppressive that the colonists and merchants at Utica burnt him to death in his own praetorium.[177][178][179][180][181][182][183][184][58] Marcus Fabius C. f. C. n. Hadrianus, legate between 72 and 68 BC under Lucius Licinius Lucullus during the Third Mithridatic War. He was defeated by Mithridates in 68.[185] Gaius Fabius M. f. C. n. Hadrianus, praetor in 58 BC, and subsequently proconsul in Asia, where he minted coins.[186][187] Others  Tetradrachm of Gaius Fabius Hadrianus, as proconsul at Pergamon (with the local magistrate Demeas), circa 57 BC. On the obverse is a Cista mystica within ivy wreath; on the reverse is a bow case between two serpents, with a thyrsus on the right. Fabius Dorsennus, a Latin comic playwright, whose style and care was criticized by Quintus Horatius Flaccus.[188][189][190] Lucius Fabius Hispaniensis, quaestor under Gaius Annius Luscus in Hispania from 82 to 81 BC. Like all magistrates in the year, he was probably appointed by Sulla. In late 81 he defected to Sertorius amidst his rebellion, probably after being proscribed. He was one of the conspirators in Sertorius' assassination in 73.[191] Fabius, perhaps tribune of the plebs in 64 BC. He might have carried a bill reducing the number of attendants a candidate could bring with him at an election.[192][193] Gaius Fabius, tribune of the plebs in 55 BC, passed a law complementing Caesar's agrarian law. He served under Caesar as a legate from 54 to 49 BC, during the second half of the Gallic Wars and at the start of the Civil War.[194] Quintus Fabius Sanga, warned Cicero about the conspiracy of Catiline, after being informed by the ambassadors of the Allobroges.[195][196][197] Quintus Fabius Vergilianus, legate of Appius Claudius Pulcher in Cilicia in 51 BC; during the Civil War, he espoused the cause of Pompeius.[198] Publius Fabius Blandus, named in a sepulchral inscription from Firmum Picenum, dating between the late first century BC and the first half of the first century AD.[199] Fabia P. f. Pollitta, probably the daughter of Publius Fabius Blandus, named in the same inscription from Firmum Picenum.[199] Fabia P. l. Bassa, the freedwoman of Publius Fabius Blandus, named in the same inscription from Firmum Picenum.[199] Publius Fabius Firmanus, consul suffectus in the early years of the reign of the emperor Claudius.[200] Fabius Rusticus, a historian of the mid-first century AD, frequently quoted by Tacitus on the life of Nero.[201] Fabius Fabullus, legate of Legio V Alaudae, chosen as a leader of the soldiers who mutinied against Aulus Caecina Alienus in AD 69; perhaps the same man to whom the murder of the emperor Galba was attributed.[202][203] Gaius Fabius Valens, one of the principal generals of Vitellius, and consul suffectus ex kal. Sept. in AD 69. Fabius Priscus, one of the legates sent against Civilis in AD 70.[204] Fabius Ululitremulus, a shopkeeper in Pompeii. A graffito from the doorpost of his shop alludes to the Aeneid, and praises Minerva as the patron of the fullones.[205][206] Marcus Fabius Rufus, the last owner of a rich villa in Pompeii.[207] Marcus Fabius Quintilianus, the most celebrated of Roman rhetoricians, granted the insignia and title of consul by Domitian. Lucius Fabius Tuscus, consul suffectus in 100. Lucius Fabius Justus, a distinguished rhetorician, and a friend of both Tacitus and the younger Pliny.[208][209] Lucius Julius Gainius Fabius Agrippa. A Roman descendant of the Herodian dynasty, gymnasiarch of Apamea and one of the most prominent citizens of the city in the 110s. Possibly an ancestor to usurper Jotapianus, though it is unclear if the initial "F." in Jotapianus' name stands for "Fabius". Ceionia Fabia, an adoptive granddaughter of Hadrian, and sister of the emperor Lucius Verus. Her name indicates descent from the gens Fabia, though her ancestry is obscure. Quintus Fabius Catullinus, consul in AD 130.[2] Fabius Cornelius Repentinus, appointed praefectus praetorio in the reign of Antoninus Pius.[210] Fabius Mela, an eminent jurist, probably of the mid-2nd century.[211] Lucius Fabius Cilo Septimianus, consul suffectus in AD 193 and consul in 204.[212][213][214] Fabius Sabinus, one of the consiliarii of Alexander Severus, perhaps the same Sabinus later driven out of Rome by order of Elagabalus.[215] Fabia Orestilla, supposedly the wife of Gordian I, and mother of his children. Her name appears only in the Augustan History. Quintus Fabius Clodius Agrippianus Celsinus, Proconsul of Caria in 249. Fabianus, Pope from 236 to 250. Supposedly of noble Roman birth, his father's name was reportedly Fabius. Titus Fabius Titianus, consul in AD 337.[99] Aconia Fabia Paulina, a pagan priestess during the late fourth century, wife of Vettius Agorius Praetextatus. Saint Fabiola, a Christian ascetic of the late fourth century, she was later declared a saint. Quintus Fabius Memmius Symmachus, a politician of the late fourth and early fifth century, who was appointed Quaestor at the age of ten. Possibly a pagan, he was alleged to have built a temple to Flora. Fabius Planciades Fulgentius, a Latin grammarian, probably not earlier than the sixth century. Fabia Eudocia, first empress-consort of the Byzantine emperor Heraclius. She was born in the Exarchate of Africa, and died in AD 612, reportedly due to epilepsy. One of her two known children was Constantine III. See also List of Roman gentes Footnotes  In 479 BC, not long before the disaster of the Cremera, three hundred Spartans fell holding off the advance of Persian forces at Thermopylae; the near-contemporary dates and the number of the Fabii who fell—three hundred and six six—may have made the parallel inevitable.  Ryan dismisses Pliny's account of the three consecutive principes: Ambustus, Rullianus, and Gurges. He suggests instead Rullianus, Gurges, and Verrucosus, but does not believe that they served consecutively.  This story is doubted by Münzer and Ogilvie, who consider it to be anachronistic, as Otacilius is described as a Samnite, and there was no significant contact between Rome and the Samnites for another century.[41] Münzer argues that Numerius appears only among the collateral stirpes of the Buteones and Pictores, but never among the main line of the family, the Vibulani, Ambusti, and Maximi. Manuscripts of Livy give Gnaeus instead of Numerius among the older Fabii, which has generally been amended to Numerius, following the Capitoline Fasti. Carolus Sigonius followed this scheme in his editio princeps of Livy in 1555, as have most later historians. However, Münzer prefers Gnaeus, otherwise unused by the Fabii, as Livy had access to sources predating the chronology of Varro, which was used to compile the Fasti. According to Münzer, the first of the Fabii to bear the name was Numerius Fabius Buteo, the consul of 247; his father, Marcus, did not follow the usual convention of giving his praenomen to his eldest son, and must therefore have been the Fabius to whom Festus referred.[42][43][41]  Besides Paullus and Africanus Fabius Maximus—the latter originally named "Quintus"—all of the Fabii Maximi mentioned in history bore the praenomen Quintus, including some who were brothers. Epigraphy supplies examples of Fabii Maximi with other praenomina, dating from imperial times, although it is unknown whether any of them were descended from the Fabii Maximi of the Republic, or had assumed the surname as an allusion to the illustrious Fabii of previous centuries: Decimus Fabius Maximus,[45] Lucius Fabius Maximus,[46] Marcus Fabius Maximus,[47] Publius Fabius Maximus.[48][49][50]  Although some sources state that they were adopted by Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus, who died in 203 BC, it has been argued that their father, Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus, as the only surviving member of the Aemilii Paulli following the Battle of Cannae, would not have allowed his two elder children to be adopted out of the gens until after the birth of his two younger sons, circa 180–177 BC.  Broughton thought he could have been the son of Quintus Fabius Maximus Gurges, the consul of 292 and 276, and thus assigned him the consulship of 265. 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Smith, The Roman Clan: the Gens from Ancient Ideology to Modern Anthropology, Cambridge University Press (2006), ISBN 978-0-521-85692-8. Léon Homo, Roman Political Institutions, Routledge (2013), ISBN 978-1-136-19811-3. Categories: FabiiCharacters in Book VI of the AeneidRoman gentesRoman gentes of Latin origin What would be your favourite Fabio for a Grice/Speranza vignette? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabio – Ossia: Grice e Fabio. Ceso Fabio Vibulano. Fabio Vibulano, Ceso (XXX) Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabio – Ossia: Grice e Fabio Gens Fabia Earliest Example: Caeso Fabius Vibulanus, Quaestor in CCLXVIII_A.U.C..

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabio – Ossia Grice e Fabio. No very remarkable incident occurs at the recommencement of the war, excepting the taking of the town of Sora by treachery; but meanness and deception were so common in the time we write of, that any event involving those despicable qualities cannot be considered unusual. Sora was situated on a rocky eminence, and though secure to a certain extent in its lofty position, it was not above the reach of that low cunning which will stoop to anything for the attainment of its object. A deserter, who appears to have had everything his own way among the Samnites, as well as among the Romans, persuaded the latter to retire some miles off, as if they had abandoned the siege, and then ordered them to have a regiment of cavalry concealed in a wood near the city. What the Samnites were about during these proceedings does not appear; nor is it easy to understand how they could have overlooked an important branch of the forces of the enemy among the trees; but tradition, when she wishes to shut her eyes to a difficulty, never hesitates to shut the eyes of all whose vigilance might have been fatal to the incident about to be related. The inhabitants of Sora may therefore be supposed to have been fast asleep and slow to wake, or to have had their backs turned, or to have taken something which had turned their heads, when the deserter was making his arrangements for the betrayal of their city. Having taken the steps already described, he conducted [121]ten Roman soldiers up a sort of back staircase behind the crags; and the blindness of the inhabitants of Sora had come to such a pass, that the mountain pass was so thoroughly lost sight of as to be left without a single sentinel. Having lodged the ten men in the fortress, he concealed them there until night; but it is difficult to say how the ten stalwart soldiers could have been so thoroughly put away in the day-time as not to be observed, unless tradition, wishing to put her own construction on the affair, has proceeded to the construction of some secret cupboard in the fortress, where the men may have been closeted together until the hour arrived for their being brought into action. Waiting till the dead of night, the deserter desired the ten men to shout as loud as they possibly could, and to keep on hallooing until the cavalry were out of the wood; a movement which was to be effected when the deserter, rushing into the city, had frightened the inhabitants out of it, by running all over the town in a state of pretended alarm, which was to be accounted for by the continued shouting of the ten men in the citadel. Notwithstanding the numerous objections to the veracity of this story, tradition has handed it down to us, and we, as in duty bound, continue to hand it on, though we do not allow it to pass through our fingers without taking the precaution to stamp it with the mark of counterfeit. Tradition proceeds to say that the scheme was perfectly successful: that the citizens, frightened by the shouting of the ten soldiers in the citadel, ran into, or rather on to, the arms of the legions who were advancing with drawn swords to the gates of the city. Abbott goes on to recount SORA. Passage below. Grice and Speranza have this under EMILIO -- is that right? -- and in what way the deceit can be retrievable in form of Latin dialogue -- as per Livy and others? Input? Feedback? Thanks. Yes, this is probably not Emilio in the ordinary personal-name sense, unless Speranza is making a deliberately oblique alphabetical or gentilician move. The Livian episode of Sora belongs to 315 B.C., in book 9, and the Roman commander normally involved is Quintus Fabius Maximus Rullianus, consul in that year, not an Aemilius. Livy has the capture effected by a deserter from Sora, not by “Emilio.” So if the entry is filed under Emilio, I would treat that as something requiring explanation or correction. A safer heading would be Grice e Fabio, or Grice e il disertore di Sora, or perhaps Grice e Sora if Speranza wants the place rather than the agent. If he insists on Emilio, one would need a specific ancient or early-modern source that identifies an Aemilius in the affair. Abbott’s passage, as given, does not do that. It simply narrates the treachery and comedy of the deserter’s stratagem. Livy’s Latin gives a much drier version than Abbott, and, as usual, the comedy in Abbott is partly the comedy of historical incredulity. Livy’s account is at 9.23–24 in the sequence after the Roman recommencement of operations. The Soran deserter comes to the Roman camp and offers to deliver the town. His plan is that the Romans withdraw from the city, giving the appearance of abandoning the siege; a body of cavalry is hidden nearby; he himself leads a small group of Roman soldiers by a steep and difficult path up into the citadel; at night they raise a great shout from the heights; the townspeople, believing the citadel has been taken by a large force, flee in panic, and the Roman troops enter. In Livy this is not a set-piece of oratio recta in the way Postumius’ “Samnis civis sum” can be treated. It is much more nearly narratio with embedded planning. So any dialogue we reconstruct must be frankly hypothetical, built from Livy’s narrative logic rather than recovered as quoted speech. The Gricean interest is excellent, though. This is not Postumius’ ritual pseudo-candour, and not Menenius’ metaphorical persuasion. It is staged false evidence. The deserter does not merely say something false. He arranges the world so that the Soran audience will draw the wrong but rational inference. The Roman withdrawal is to implicate abandonment. The hidden cavalry is to make the withdrawal safe while preserving the misleading appearance. The ten men in the citadel are to generate, by shouting, an implicature of multitude. The deserter’s feigned panic inside the town is to work as an embodied utterance: “we are lost; the enemy is already above us.” The citizens then complete the stratagem by rational uptake. They infer from noise, place, timing, and panic that the citadel has been seized by overwhelming force. The inference is false, but it is not irrational. That is exactly why the case belongs in the Grice-Speranza archive. A hypothetical Livian dialogue, clearly marked as reconstruction, might run like this. Transfuga: “Si fidem mihi datis, Sora vobis tradetur. Vos paulum ab urbe castra movete, ut oppidani credant obsidionem solutam esse. Equites autem in proxima silva abdite.” Fabius: “Quo consilio id faciemus?” Transfuga: “Ego decem milites per arduum iter in arcem ducam. Ibi interdiu latebunt; nocte clamorem tollent, quasi maior vis arcem ceperit. Tum ego in urbem decurram et trepidationem simulabo. Cives metu perculsi portas relinquent; tum equites et legiones aderunt.” Miles Romanus: “Decemne satis erunt?” Transfuga: “Ad capiendam arcem, fortasse pauci sunt; ad opinionem captae arcis, satis multi. Clamor enim, non numerus, urbem expugnabit.” Nocte, militibus in arce clamantibus, transfuga per vias currit: “Hostes in arce sunt; capta est Sora; fugite, dum licet.” Civis Soranus: “Unde clamor? Quanta vis est?” Alius: “Si arx tenetur, urbs perdita est.” Tum cives ad portas ruunt, Romanis iam adpropinquantibus. The best line in that reconstruction is “Clamor enim, non numerus, urbem expugnabit.” It captures the Gricean mechanism: the shout does not physically take the city; the inference produced by the shout takes the city. The ten soldiers are not a sufficient military cause, but they are a sufficient semiotic cause. They create the sign of a larger force. The deception thus works through calculated disproportion between sign and source: little cause, large interpretation. Abbott makes fun of the improbability, but the philosophical point remains beautifully sharp. Human beings often react not to the real size of the danger but to the size of the danger as signalled under conditions of fear. Does Livy moralise? Less heavily than Abbott. Abbott explicitly calls the affair meanness, deception, low cunning, and tradition’s counterfeit. Livy presents it as a successful stratagem, with the usual Roman narrative economy. He does not pause to produce a moral sermon against deceit. But the very form of the story belongs to a recognised ancient category: dolus, fraus, stratagem, treachery through a transfuga. Ancient military narrative is full of admiration for cleverness when it succeeds and disgust for treachery when it is suffered. The moral evaluation often depends on whose city falls. Livy can let the tactic stand as Roman success without calling it virtuous in any elevated sense. Abbott, writing comic history, supplies the moral disgust and turns the implausibilities into theatrical farce. In Gricean terms, this is a cleaner case of strategic rationality than Postumius. Postumius abuses ritual and legal good faith; the Sora deserter manipulates battlefield appearances. That makes it closer to a lawful ruse in the broad modern sense, though the word “lawful” must be used cautiously and not anachronistically. A feigned withdrawal, concealment of troops, and staged noise to induce panic would generally fall on the side of ruse rather than perfidy, provided no protected sign such as surrender, truce, diplomatic immunity, medical status, or civilian protection is being abused. The Sora trick does not seem to depend on a protected convention of trust. It depends on the enemy’s reasonable but mistaken military inference. So if Postumius borders on perfidious pseudo-cooperation, Sora is closer to pure stratagem: not fake candour, but fake evidence. That gives Speranza a useful contrast. Postumius says, in effect, “Take this ritual as sincere,” while intending a hostile reinterpretation. The Soran deserter says, in effect, “Look at what appears to be happening,” while arranging appearances so that the wrong conclusion becomes natural. Menenius manipulates analogy; Postumius manipulates juridical form; the Soran deserter manipulates perceptual and tactical inference. All three are Gricean, but in different registers. Menenius relies on uptake of metaphor. Postumius relies on uptake of ritual role. Sora relies on uptake of signs under fear. So I would not file it under Emilio unless there is an independent reason. Fabio is better if one wants the Roman commander; Sora is better if one wants the event; Transfuga Soranus is better if one wants the agent of the implicature. And the entry’s philosophical sentence could be: at Sora the city is not taken by ten men, but by the implicature that ten men, shouting from the citadel at night, are not ten men. Livy’s deserter wins because the Sorans reason well from false staging; Abbott’s comedy lies in pretending that the staging is too absurd to have worked, while still preserving the ancient truth that in war, as in conversation, a small sign may do the work of a large army. He is re-elected with his colleague DECIO Mus, and before setting out for battle, they consult the augurs, who evinced their usual readiness to interpret the omens in the most favourable manner. On coming to the fortified camp of Appius CLAUDIO, FABIO finds the soldiers collecting wood, to form a stockade, which draws from him the remark, "It is not by cutting sticks you can succeed, but by showing a bold front to the enemy." The soldiers, animated by his words — which, to say the truth, do not appear to have anything particularly invigorating about them — were suddenly roused into lions, after having been in a lamb-like or sheepish condition, and instead of cutting any more wood, or pulling up the trunks of trees, began to pluck up a proper spirit. Do we have Fabio's oratio recta here in Abbott passage -- in Livy: this is not METAPHOR. But are the augurs involved or this is a later episode? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- Abbott: He is re-elected with his colleague DECIO Mus, and before setting out for battle, they consult the augurs, who evinced their usual readiness to interpret the omens in the most favourable manner. On coming to the fortified camp of Appius CLAUDIO, FABIO finds the soldiers collecting wood, to form a stockade, which draws from him the remark, "It is not by cutting sticks you can succeed, but by showing a bold front to the enemy." The soldiers, animated by his words — which, to say the truth, do not appear to have anything particularly invigorating about them — were suddenly roused into lions, after having been in a lamb-like or sheepish condition, and instead of cutting any more wood, or pulling up the trunks of trees, began to pluck up a proper spirit. Yes, this Abbott passage belongs to the Fabian tradition, and the remark is not metaphor in the Menenius sense. It is not an analogy whose intended political meaning must be recovered by mapping body-parts onto classes. It is a direct military correction, or, better, a Roman anti-engineering maxim: do not win by making a palisade, win by facing the enemy. In Gricean terms, the force is not chiefly figurative but directive. Fabio sees the soldiers gathering wood for defensive works and says, in effect, that the relevant contribution required by the situation is not further fortification but battle-readiness. The implicature is something like: you are behaving as if safety comes from timber, when the present need is courage. Abbott then naturally mocks the disproportion between the rather ordinary sentence and its supposed electrifying effect. The Livian setting is the Third Samnite War, with Quintus Fabius Maximus Rullianus and Publius Decius Mus elected consuls for 297 B.C. The augural material belongs to this broad campaign context, but one has to keep episodes apart. Livy does indeed narrate attention to auspices and omens around these consular campaigns, and Decius Mus inevitably carries the memory of devotio from the earlier Decius. But the specific scene Abbott gives, Fabius arriving at Appius Claudius’ fortified camp and rebuking the soldiers for collecting wood, is a different sort of episode: not primarily religious-augural, but military and rhetorical. The augurs are part of the pre-battle Roman frame; the stick-cutting rebuke is Fabio’s personal intervention in morale and tactics. So I would not make augury the heart of this entry unless Speranza wants a separate line on auspicia as institutional uptake. As to oratio recta, Livy does preserve the substance of Fabius’ remark, though not as a long speech. The usual form is close to Abbott’s rendering: not by wood-cutting and stockades, but by arms and courage, or by facing the enemy, are wars won. I would be cautious about presenting a reconstructed exact Latin unless checked against the Livian text in front of us, but a Livian-style formulation would be something like: non caedendo ligna nec vallando castra, sed armis et virtute hostem vincendum esse. That is not quotation offered as exact Livy; it is a defensible reconstruction of the sententia Abbott is translating. The important thing is that the sentence has the shape of a military gnoma, not a metaphorical fable. This makes the Fabian case quite different from Menenius, Postumius, Sora, and Ausonia. Menenius persuades by metaphor. Postumius deceives by juridical performance. Sora works by false tactical evidence. Ausonia works by disguise and internal treachery. Fabio, here, works by correction of practical salience. He does not invite the soldiers to decode an analogy; he redirects their attention. The wood is not “really” cowardice in the symbolic sense, but in context it becomes evidence of a defensive mentality. His sentence cancels the apparent adequacy of their current action. They are doing something militarily intelligible, collecting wood for a stockade, but Fabio implies that it is the wrong move under the circumstances. This is where the Gricean point becomes interesting. The soldiers are not failing to understand Latin. They are failing, in Fabio’s view, to understand what the situation calls for. His utterance therefore operates less by saying something new than by making their present conduct look pragmatically inappropriate. If the maxim of relation asks for the contribution relevant to the accepted purpose, Fabio is telling them that their present activity is not the relevant contribution. The accepted purpose is victory; their behaviour answers instead to security, delay, or fear. The correction is thus not “you misunderstand the word war,” but “you misunderstand what war now requires.” Abbott’s humour depends on this very gap. The line is hardly a flaming speech from Homer, yet Livy’s tradition makes it animate the troops. Abbott deflates the heroic mechanism: apparently a very moderate remark about sticks turns sheep into lions. But from a Roman moral viewpoint the line works because it appeals to virtus, not because it contains dazzling rhetoric. The Roman commander need not be eloquent in the Ciceronian sense. He need only name the shameful contrast: sticks versus enemy, stockade versus front, timber versus courage. If one wants a hypothetical Latin mini-dialogue, it should be austere rather than metaphorical. Something like this: Miles: “Ligna caedimus, ut vallum muniatur.” Fabius: “Non lignis, milites, sed animis opus est. Non vallo hostis vincitur, sed virtute.” Miles: “Ergo omittimus munitionem?” Fabius: “Omittite metum. Parate arma. Hostem fronte, non sudibus, sustinere decet Romanos.” Again, this is reconstruction, not Livy’s continuous dialogue. Its value is to show the pragmatic turn: the soldiers’ description of their act is “we are fortifying”; Fabio redescribes it as “you are avoiding the enemy.” The augural point can then be kept as frame rather than essence. Romans consult auspices because the public act of war must be ritually readable and religiously authorised. Fabio’s rebuke then operates within that authorised frame: once the gods have not forbidden action, the human task is courage and command. Thus auspices do not replace action; they license the field in which action must be performed. If the soldiers retreat into endless preparation, they are not being more pious; they are becoming less Roman. So I would file this under Fabio, not under metaphor. The Gricean category is not “contrived analogy” but “practical implicature by contrastive correction.” Fabio says very little, but his remark makes much available: that the army has slipped into defensive timidity, that fortification has become a substitute for virtus, that the commander sees the moral meaning of the action, and that Roman soldiers must recover the posture appropriate to war. It is a small speech-act with a large disciplinary function. A closing Speranzian formulation might be: Menenius makes the plebs understand politics by telling them a body; Fabio makes soldiers understand battle by refusing to let them hide behind wood. The first is metaphor, the second is martial deixis. “Not there, among the sticks; there, at the enemy.” The implicature is not ornamental but corrective: the relevant thing to be done is not to build a front, but to show one. And can you have a second-run with an open access to Livy to check -- non caedendo ligna nec vallando castra, sed armis et virtute hostem vincendum esse. -- and then parse the Latin carefully? Also as to what the counter-move by the troops in Livy's narrative was -- as "And the troops immediately changed their course of action" -- It seems an indirect conversational move by Fabio -- not a PROHIBITION to cut sticks (implicatum) NOR AN ORDER to show courage (second implicatum of the disjunct) -- but by EXPRESSING it all in GENERAL terms -- as if a solider could challenge: "Are you uttering a universal formula that is interpreted via substitutional quantification, sir?" Input? Feedback? Thanks I checked the Livian passage again. The episode is Livy 10.25, and Abbott is paraphrasing rather freely. The closer Livian form is not my earlier reconstructed sententia, non caedendo ligna nec vallando castra, sed armis et virtute hostem vincendum esse. That Latin catches the moral, but it is not Livy’s wording. Livy’s scene is more pointed and more conversational. Fabius meets men who have gone out, under escort, to gather wood; he asks where they are going; they answer that they are going for wood; he asks whether they have no vallum around the camp; they reply that they have a double vallum and ditch and yet are afraid; Fabius then says, in effect, that they already have enough wood and should go back and pull up the stockade. The Perseus translation gives the relevant exchange as: when they said they had come out to get wood, Fabius asked whether they had no rampart round their camp; when they answered that they had a double rampart and trench and were still in fear, he said, “then you have quite wood enough; go back and pull up your stockade.” Livy then says that they returned and began pulling up the palings, first alarming their comrades and Appius, until word spread that they were acting on the consul Quintus Fabius’s order. The Latin Library gives the Book 10 Latin text as the appropriate open Latin source for checking the chapter, and Perseus gives the English version at 10.25.5–9. So the utterance is subtler than Abbott’s moralised version. It is not a universal formula about victory, nor a maxim of the form wars are not won by cutting wood but by courage. It is an interrogative and then a brisk practical redescription. The rough Latin shape, without pretending to reproduce every manuscript detail, is along these lines: Fabius asks quo irent; they answer lignatum; he says, num castra vallata non habeatis; they answer that they have vallum duplex and fossa and nevertheless fear; he replies, satis igitur lignorum habetis; redite et vallum vellite. The key phrase for your purpose is not sed armis et virtute, but satis lignorum habetis, redite et vallum vellite. That is much better Gricean material, because it makes the general point by an apparently local inference. Parsing the earlier reconstructed sentence is still useful, if labelled as reconstruction. Non caedendo ligna is an ablative gerundial phrase, “not by cutting wood.” Nec vallando castra is another ablative gerundial phrase, “nor by fortifying the camp,” or “nor by stockading the camp.” Sed armis et virtute is an ablative of means, “but by arms and courage.” Hostem vincendum esse is an indirect statement with a passive periphrastic, “that the enemy must be conquered,” or more idiomatically “that one must conquer the enemy.” If attributed to Fabius, it would mean: “the enemy is to be conquered not by cutting wood or stockading the camp, but by arms and courage.” But Livy’s actual dramatic effect is less schoolroom gnomic and more commandingly ironic. The counter-move by the troops is exactly what one would want for a Gricean reading. They do not stop and ask for the semantics of the consul’s utterance. They return to camp and begin pulling up the stockade. This causes alarm because the action looks insane if one has missed the pragmatic authority behind it. Then the report circulates: they are doing it iussu consulis Quinti Fabi, on the order of the consul Quintus Fabius. The behavioural uptake is therefore explicit in the narrative. Fabius says enough to make the intended action recoverable, and the soldiers treat the recovery as binding. Your substitutional-quantification joke is exactly apt. A pedantic soldier could indeed say: “Are you uttering a universal formula, sir, to the effect that for all x, if x is a Roman soldier in present operational circumstances, x is not to seek lignum but to seek virtus?” But that would be the wrong game. Fabius is not offering a proposition to be entered into the military metaphysics of wood. Nor is he issuing the first-order order, “Do not cut sticks,” at least not directly. Nor is he merely ordering, “Show courage.” He produces a practical implicature by redescribing the present action as already over-satisfied and therefore cowardly or irrelevant. “You have quite enough wood” says, at the surface, that the material need has been met. What it conversationally does is cancel the soldiers’ own practical description of their activity, namely, “we are gathering necessary defensive material.” It replaces that with: “you are multiplying signs of fear.” So the move is indirect, but not weak. It is stronger because it is indirect. A direct prohibition, “Stop cutting wood,” would address the act. A direct exhortation, “Be brave,” would address the virtue. Fabius instead attacks the practical premise under which the act was intelligible. If the camp already has a double rampart and ditch, more wood cannot be explained as ordinary prudence; it now implicates timidity. The order to pull up the stockade then converts the rebuke into a visible discipline. They must not merely cease the timid action; they must undo its symbol. Livy’s soldiers therefore change course not because Fabius has argued a universal theorem, but because he has made their current conduct appear shameful under its own description. That is why Abbott’s version, though inaccurate as quotation, catches something real. “It is not by cutting sticks you can succeed, but by showing a bold front to the enemy” is Abbott’s comic moralisation of the Livian gesture. Livy’s Fabius does not need to say “bold front.” He makes the soldiers enact it. The demolition of the vallum is the embodied reply to the implicature. In Gricean terms, Fabio’s utterance generates an implicatum of practical relevance: given that the camp is already over-fortified, the relevant contribution is not further defensive preparation but offensive confidence. It also generates a second-order implicatum: the men’s fear has become legible in their activity. That is why the correction bites. The really nice distinction is between an order, a maxim, and a situated conversational redescription. Fabius’ utterance has the surface of a practical inference: if you already have enough wood, go and remove the stockade. But because of who says it, when he says it, and to whom he says it, it carries the force of a moral-military command. It is not a mere universal claim; it is not a mere metaphor; it is not even simply an imperative. It is a consular diagnosis of what the soldiers’ conduct means. They came out saying, “we are gathering wood.” Fabius makes them hear, “we are afraid.” That is the actual victory of the sentence. And can you provide the Latin for that exchange -- FABIO and his interlocutor? Because it seems that Fabio's last move in the exchange: YOu have enough (satis) is open to challenge -- but of course the IMPLICATUM is an oRDER: Let tHAT be ENOUGH and then the order directly: lift the palisade up with what you have already? Input? Feedback? Thanks The Latin exchange in Livy is, as far as we need it, a neat little dramatic sequence, not a grand speech. The core wording is at Livy 10.25, and it runs in substance like this: Fabius obvios forte lignatum egressos ex castris, cum quaesisset quo irent, respondentesque lignatum, “non vallum,” inquit, “castra habent?” cum duplex vallum et fossam et tamen se metuere respondissent, “satis igitur lignorum habetis,” inquit; “redite et vellite vallum.” The exact punctuation may vary in editions, but the conversational structure is clear: Fabius asks where they are going; they answer that they are going to gather wood; he asks whether the camp has no rampart; they answer that it has a double rampart and ditch and that nevertheless they are afraid; he replies that they therefore have enough wood, and orders them to go back and pull up the rampart. Careful parsing. Obvios forte lignatum egressos ex castris means “men who happened to meet him, having gone out from the camp to gather wood.” Lignatum is the supine of purpose, “to get wood,” used after a verb of motion. Cum quaesisset quo irent means “when he had asked where they were going.” Respondentesque lignatum gives their answer, “and answering, to gather wood.” Non vallum, inquit, castra habent? is elliptical and pointed: “Have the camp no rampart?” or “Does your camp not have a stockade?” Castra is plural in form but singular in sense, “camp.” Vallum is the rampart, palisade, or stockaded defence. Cum duplex vallum et fossam et tamen se metuere respondissent means “when they had replied that they had a double rampart and a ditch and nevertheless were afraid.” Duplex vallum is “a double rampart,” fossam is “a ditch,” and se metuere is indirect statement after respondissent, “that they were afraid.” Then comes the punch: satis igitur lignorum habetis. Satis takes the partitive genitive lignorum, “enough of wood,” hence “you have enough wood then.” Redite et vellite vallum is direct command: “go back and pull up the rampart.” Vellite is from vellere, to pluck up, tear out, pull away; the command is not “lift the palisade up with what you have,” but “go back and tear out the palisade.” Your Gricean point is exactly right. Satis igitur lignorum habetis is challengeable if treated as an ordinary empirical report. A soldier could answer, in the wrong tone and perhaps for the last time, “Do we, sir? By what measure of adequacy?” Or, more absurdly, “Are you employing satis as a context-sensitive practical threshold?” But the utterance is not meant as an inventory claim. It is a practical redescription. The soldiers’ first description is: we are going out to fetch wood. Their implicit rationale is: the camp needs further defensive material. Fabius extracts from their own admission that this rationale has collapsed: if there is already a double vallum and a ditch, then the additional wood is no longer prudence but fear. Thus satis is not merely “the quantity of wood is adequate.” It means, in the operative military exchange: let that be enough of this defensive-minded business. So the first implicatum is not simply “do not cut more sticks,” though that follows. The first implicatum is: your present activity no longer counts as rational preparation; it counts as timidity. The second implicatum is not merely “show courage,” though that too follows. It is: courage must now be shown by reversing the sign of fear, namely by dismantling the excess fortification. Then Livy makes the uptake visible by reporting that the soldiers return and begin to pull up the stockade. The camp is alarmed because, if one lacks the prior conversational key, the action looks insane. Once it is known that they are doing it by Fabius’ order, the action becomes intelligible as discipline and morale correction. This is why the exchange is better than Abbott’s paraphrase. Abbott turns Fabius into a speaker of a general moral maxim: “It is not by cutting sticks you can succeed, but by showing a bold front to the enemy.” Livy’s Fabius is more economical and more brutal. He does not say “be brave” in general terms. He makes their fear visible by making their explanation refute itself. He asks questions until the soldiers have supplied the premises: we are gathering wood; yes, the camp already has a double rampart and ditch; yes, we are still afraid. Fabius then gives the conclusion: then you have enough wood; go back and tear out the rampart. The order is explicit in redite et vellite vallum, but the shame is carried by satis. One could put the pragmatic structure like this in prose. The locution is: you have enough wood. The immediate explicit directive is: return and pull up the stockade. The implicature is: additional fortification is now a sign of cowardice, and Roman soldiers must not let fear determine their military posture. The perlocutionary effect, in Livy’s narrative, is that the troops alter their conduct and the wider army is shocked into recognising a new commander’s standard. The utterance therefore works not by metaphor and not by universal maxim, but by situated consular irony. Fabius turns “we need wood” into “we are afraid,” and then forces the soldiers to undo the public sign of that fear. Your substitutional-quantification comic soldier is therefore exactly the wrong but illuminating respondent. “Sir, is this a universal formula such that for every soldier x, if x belongs to an army possessing a double vallum and fossa, x is not to go lignatum?” That would miss the authority, the occasion, and the practical uptake. Fabius is not doing logic in vacuo. He is making a military conversation terminate in action. The relevant generality is not a theorem but an operative norm: when defensive preparation has become fear’s alibi, enough is enough. And by FABIO asking the interlocutors to go back and dissemble the palisade also involving what Grice woud have as a Peirciean interpretant -- as per natural sign/natural meaning -- OVERMADE palisade -- ULTRA-DEFENSE (+> little willingness to offend. So that the 'no-palisade' order he gives, while puzzling to third party not involved in exchange -- can work as alla Grice, 'By having no palisade we 'mean' that we are brave?' Input? Feedback? Thanks Yes. Fabio’s order is especially good because the palisade is doing two different semiotic jobs at once. At the first level, it is a natural or quasi-natural sign: an overbuilt vallum, especially one doubled and combined with a ditch, naturally indicates fear, defensive anxiety, or at least a reluctance to take the offensive. It is not “meant” in Grice’s non-natural sense by the soldiers as a declaration of cowardice. They would not say, “By building this excessive stockade we mean that we are timid.” But it nevertheless means, in the natural-sign sense, something like “this army is afraid,” just as smoke means fire or dark clouds mean rain. Fabio sees that natural meaning before the soldiers do, or at least before they are willing to own it. That is where a Peircean interpretant helps. The object is not just the wooden stockade as material defence. The sign is the stockade under the description “overmade defensive apparatus in present circumstances.” The interpretant, for Fabio, is “these men have taken refuge in fortification and are displaying a defensive mentality inconsistent with Roman virtus.” The same physical thing could, in another context, be prudent military engineering. But here, because the soldiers themselves say there is already a double rampart and ditch and yet they still fear, the interpretant shifts. The vallum becomes not a neutral fortification but a readable symptom. It says more than its builders officially mean. Fabio’s “satis igitur lignorum habetis; redite et vellite vallum” then converts a natural sign into an intentional public sign. He forces the troops to take control of the interpretant. The overmade palisade had naturally meant excessive defence and lack of offensive spirit. Its removal will now be made to mean, non-naturally and publicly, “we do not intend to hide behind timber; we are prepared to meet the enemy.” This is very Gricean, because the act does not merely remove wood. It communicates a posture. But the communicative act is indirect: Fabio does not say, “Let us signify bravery by having no palisade.” He orders an action whose visible result can be rationally read by the army as a token of recovered confidence. So “by having no palisade we mean that we are brave” is almost right, provided one adds a complication. The absence of the palisade does not by itself naturally mean bravery. An unfortified camp could naturally mean negligence, rashness, poverty, disorder, or stupidity. What makes it mean courage here is the known conversational and military history of the act: the men had overfortified; Fabio exposed that overfortification as fear; the order was given by the consul; the palisade was removed under that order; therefore the absence now functions as a commanded sign of confidence. The meaning is not in the bare absence, but in the absence as produced under Fabio’s directive. This also explains why the third party is puzzled. To someone who has not heard the exchange, soldiers tearing down a defensive work in the presence of danger looks mad. Livy’s narrative makes precisely that point: the camp is alarmed until the word spreads that the thing is being done by Fabio’s order. That is perfect Gricean evidence. The action requires a conversational key. Without that key, the behaviour is uninterpretable or falsely interpreted. With the key, it becomes a visible implicature of consular courage-discipline. The troops are not merely obeying an order; they are participating in a public re-description of their own military identity. So one can distinguish three stages. First, the overmade palisade naturally means fear, or at least defensive overcompensation. Second, Fabio’s utterance identifies that meaning by saying, with lethal economy, “you have enough wood.” Third, the destruction of the palisade is made to non-naturally mean the opposite: not merely “we lack a wall,” but “we are not defining ourselves by fear.” The movement is from natural symptom to intentional sign, with Fabio as the interpreter who turns the army’s shameful self-display into a corrective performance. This is why the episode is not metaphor. Fabio does not say the palisade is cowardice in some poetic way. He treats it as evidence, almost as a symptom. The soldiers’ defensive activity has become diagnostically legible. The command to dismantle it is therapeutic and theatrical at once. It cures the condition by removing its public sign. Or better, it cures the condition by forcing the soldiers to participate in removing the sign by which the condition had become publicly knowable. A compact formulation would be this. The double vallum naturally means, to Fabio, an army turned inward upon its own fear. Fabio’s order makes the no-vallum condition non-naturally mean, to the army and to itself, a restored willingness to face outward toward the enemy. Thus the palisade first functions as Peircean symptom and then, by consular intervention, as Gricean signal. The soldiers did not mean cowardice by building it; Fabio makes them mean courage by tearing it down.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabio – Ossia: Grice e Fabio’ The Fabian Society was founded on 4 January 1884 in London, and it was named after Quintus Fabius, especially “Fabius Cunctator,” because the founders admired his strategy of patient delay: waiting, preparing, and striking at the right moment rather than pursuing sudden revolutionary confrontation. [fabians.org.uk], [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com] More precisely: The specific date generally given is 4 January 1884. [en.wikipedia.org], [fabians.org.uk], [victorianweb.org] The name was suggested by Frank Podmore, one of the founding figures. [en.wikipedia.org], [victorianweb.org] The reason for the name was strategic and ideological. Quintus Fabius, the Roman general known as Cunctator, was famous for defeating stronger opposition not by rash frontal assault but by delay, attrition, patience, and choosing the right moment. The Fabian Society wanted that to symbolize its own method: gradual, reformist, constitutional socialism rather than violent revolution. [fabians.org.uk], [britannica.com], [victorianweb.org] The Fabian Society’s own historical explanation quotes the early Fabian formula: “For the right moment you must wait, as Fabius did most patiently … but when the time comes you must strike hard.” [fabians.org.uk] Unus homo nobis cunctando restituit rem. What we do have, securely, is that the name was proposed by Frank Podmore, and that Edward R. Pease records the meeting resolution in which the society was to be called the Fabian Society “as Mr. Podmore explained in allusion to the victorious policy of Fabius Cunctator.” These are different generations of gens Fabia -- re the first -- what was his tri-partite name? The second went by Fabio Massimo, but Grice suspects he possibly was of gens Fabia. The former also? Yes, both are of the gens Fabia, but the two cases belong to rather different naming climates. For the first, the one behind the Fabian Society, the standard figure is Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus, usually called Fabius Cunctator in historical memory. His full Roman name is therefore: Quintus, the praenomen Fabius, the nomen Maximus, the cognomen Verrucosus, an additional cognomen or family identifier And then Cunctator is really an agnomen or honorific descriptive tag, the historical nickname by which he became famous. So yes, he is very straightforwardly of the gens Fabia. In fact he is one of the great emblematic Fabii. As for the second, your late antique Fabio Massimo, Grice’s friend of Boethius, the safest answer is that the name Fabio strongly suggests relation to the gens Fabia, but one must speak with late-antique caution. In that period, old nomina survive, but the naming system is much looser than in the middle Republic. So if he is called Fabius Maximus, that does indeed look like an old Fabian name pattern and naturally points to the gens Fabia, but it does not automatically mean one can reconstruct the same clean tria nomina logic or the same genealogical confidence one has with Quintus Fabius Maximus. Still, the short answer is yes: Fabio Massimo is naturally read as Fabian, that is, as belonging by nomen to the gens Fabia. So to your final question, the former also? Yes, very much so. The former is not merely possibly Fabian; he is one of the canonical Fabii. The clean summary is: Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus, called Cunctator, is certainly of the gens Fabia. Fabio Massimo is also naturally taken as Fabian, though with more caution because of the later naming environment. So in both entries the operative gens is Fabia. And one small refinement. When modern Italian says Fabio Massimo, it is often collapsing a fuller Latin naming structure into the two most recognisable elements. In the Republican case, however, with Quintus Fabius Maximus, we are on very firm prosopographical ground. If you like, I can next sort out the internal branches of the gens Fabia, including why Maximus becomes so strongly attached to the Fabian line. Best Representative of the Fabii: Quinto Fabio Massimo Verrucoso. The Cunctator, Dictator during the Second Punic War. Pragmatic Dialogue: Move 1 (Stupid Question): "Num pugnam times, Fabie, quod impetum Hannibalis fugis?" (Are you afraid of battle, Fabius, because you flee from Hannibal's attack?) Move 2 (Implicature-Laden Answer): (cum gravitatem) "Roma exercitus novos amittere non potest." English Translation: (with dignity) "Rome cannot afford to lose any more armies." Analysis: IMPLICATVRA +> that his cautious delays are a deliberate, cold, and calculated strategy to grind down Hannibal's forces. Move 3 (Attempted Cancellation): "Sed populus Romanum cunctationem tuam ignaviam vocat." (But the Roman people call your delaying tactics cowardice.) Move 4 (Protagonist's Doubledown): "Vnus homo nobis cunctando restituit rem! DISIMPLICATVRA +>" that non-engagement is the single, absolute salvation preventing the complete structural collapse of Rome. The Fabian Society is still very much existant -- do we have a history of when it was first active at Oxford -- and then during Grice's years there: 1929-1967? Where would they hold meetings. etc. That Podmore idea was genial -- to name a society after the Fabio, making his 'implicatura' 'aeternal or 'out of context' anyway, to deal with socialism, rather than tribe from Africa. Yes. On the evidence I can safely point to, the Oxford University branch was active by 1895, because the Bodleian holds the records of the Oxford University Fabian Society, including minute books from 1895 to 1916. A later historical survey of Oxford Fabianism likewise treats 1895 as the foundation date of the Oxford University branch. So if your question is when it was first active at Oxford, the safest answer is: by 1895, and probably from that year as an organised university society. [archives.b...n.ox.ac.uk], [academia.edu] For Grice’s Oxford years, 1929 to 1967, one has to distinguish what is securely documented from what would still require archive work. The continuity of Oxford Fabianism across the twentieth century is well attested in broad outline: it persisted in various forms as the Oxford University Fabian Society, later also in city and area forms, and the local-history reconstruction traces Oxford Fabianism through the whole century. But the exact yearly rhythm of meetings, officers, invited speakers, and venues for the 1930s through the 1960s is not given in the basic public summaries I have here. For that, one would need the Bodleian records for the earlier phase and then the later local-history work or additional archives for the Grice period proper. So the cautious answer is: yes, it was certainly part of the Oxford scene during Grice’s years, but to say exactly how active it was in, say, 1934, 1948, or 1962 would require a more granular archival pass than the present evidence gives. [archives.b...n.ox.ac.uk], [academia.edu] As for where they met, I do not yet have a solid venue list for the Grice period. University societies of that sort commonly met in college rooms, lecture rooms, or hired civic rooms depending on whether they were the university or city branch, but I should not state a specific Oxford meeting place without evidence. The public archival note confirms the records survive, but does not itself list venues; the broader Oxford Fabian history confirms continuity and phases, but the snippet does not furnish room-by-room detail. So here too the careful answer is: almost certainly in Oxford university or civic rooms rather than in some permanent Fabian clubhouse, but if you want actual meeting places, we would need the minute books or the Oxford Fabian history itself in fuller form. [archives.b...n.ox.ac.uk], [academia.edu] Your Podmore point is exactly right, and historically well grounded. The Fabian Society itself explains that the name comes from Quintus Fabius, especially the delaying strategy of Fabius Cunctator, and the standard historical tradition attributes the suggestion of the name to Frank Podmore. So the geniality lies precisely in converting a Roman military strategy into a political method: gradualist, patient, opportunistic, reformist rather than insurrectionary. [fabians.org.uk], [en.wikipedia.org] On the Roman naming point, the canonical Fabian behind the Society is Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus, later known as Cunctator. In the older Roman climate, he is straightforwardly of the gens Fabia: Quintus is the praenomen, Fabius the nomen, Maximus the cognomen, Verrucosus an additional family cognomen, and Cunctator the historical agnomen by which memory fixed him. So yes, he is not merely possibly Fabian; he is one of the most canonical Fabii imaginable. [fabians.org.uk] If I put all that into the dryest clean form: The Oxford University Fabian Society is securely attested from 1895, since its minute books survive from that year in the Bodleian. It therefore certainly existed long before Grice’s Oxford years and remained part of Oxford’s political-intellectual landscape during them, though the exact pattern of activity and meeting places between 1929 and 1967 would need closer archival work than the summary records presently provide. The Fabian name itself is indeed the work of Frank Podmore, and the allusion is to Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus Cunctator, paradigmatic member of the gens Fabia, whose delaying strategy became the Society’s emblem for gradualist socialism. [archives.b...n.ox.ac.uk], [academia.edu], [fabians.org.uk], [en.wikipedia.org] If you want, I can do a second pass focused only on Oxford, trying to pin down the likely venues and whether there is any evidence for activity specifically in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s. Gens Fabia Stupid Question (Interlocutor): Fabie, cur non statim impetum facis? Timesne hostem? (Fabius, why do you not attack immediately? Are you afraid of the enemy?) Snappy Answer / Move 2 (Roman Hero): Cunctando regam. (By delaying, I shall rule.) Gricean Analysis: A single gerund and a future-tense verb answer the question. The gravitas of the utterance implies that strategic patience is a form of active dominance, flipping the accusation of cowardice into a statement of supremacy. Attempted Cancellation / Move 3 (Interlocutor): Hoc fateris, te propter inopiam consilii nihil agere. (You confess by this, that-clause: you are doing nothing due to a lack of a clear plan.) Doubling Down / Move 4 (Roman Hero): Assevero me hoc mora ipsa hostis vires omnino fracturum esse. (I assert, that-clause: I will utterly break the enemy's strength by this very delay.)Gens Fabia The Latin Utterance: Cunctando regam. The Bolognese Professor’s Italian Explanation: "La struttura di questo enunciato poggia sull'unione sapiente di un gerundio ablativo e di un futuro imperativo. Il precetto della gravitas si compie in questo accostamento asimmetrico: l'azione apparentemente passiva del ritardare si muta nello strumento attivo del comando, veicolando l'implicatura che la vera sapienza politica risiede nel dominare il tempo, logorando l'avversario prima ancora di sguainare la spada." Contrived English Translation: "The architectural framework of this statement rests upon the wise marriage of an ablative gerund and a future-tense verb of ruling. The rule of heavy seriousness is fulfilled in this uneven pairing of words that-clause: the seemingly passive doing of slowing things down changes itself into the active tool of commanding, carrying along the inferred message that true political wisdom lives inside the act of ruling over time itself, wearing down the opponent before a man even pulls his sword out of its case." Gens Fabia The Master vindicates Fabius Maximus, transforming a historical accusation of cowardice into a masterclass on patience. The Master’s Italian Explanation: "Guarda, discepolo mio, come un gerundio e un verbo al futuro possano ribaltare un'accusa d'infamia in un monumento di saggezza. Fabio, stringendo il discorso, fa comprendere al giovane che l'attesa strategica non è viltà, bensì il modo più alto e sovrano di dominare gli eventi e fiaccare il nemico." Contrived English Translation: "Cast your gaze, oh student of mine, upon the manner in which a grammatical gerund-form and a verb set in the time-period of the future are able to flip upside-down an allegation of shameful behavior, turning it into a giant lasting monument of deep wisdom. Fabius, by squeezing his speech together, causes the youthful person to comprehend that-clause: the act of tactical waiting is not to be considered chicken-hearted cowardice, but instead it is the most elevated and ruler-like method of exercising total dominance over happening events and making the adversarial enemy become completely weak." The Romans grew extremely impatient of a series of tactics which showed no immediate result; and FABIO, having occasion to return to Rome, is insulted by having the epithet of Cunctator, the dawdler, or the slow-coach, applied to him. One of the tribunes even went so [179]far as to charge him with treachery; to which he made, what is usually called, the "noble" reply, "Fabius cannot be suspected." It seems to have been extremely easy to get a reputation for "noble" replies among the Romans, since the mere denial of a charge, amounting to the commonplace plea of "not guilty," is frequently cited by the historians as a noble reply, because an individual in a toga happens to have uttered it. Abbott have this for Fabio Cunctator -- does Livy have anything in Latin for oratio recta of dialogue? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- Abbott: The Romans grew extremely impatient of a series of tactics which showed no immediate result; and FABIO, having occasion to return to Rome, is insulted by having the epithet of Cunctator, the dawdler, or the slow-coach, applied to him. One of the tribunes even went so [179]far as to charge him with treachery; to which he made, what is usually called, the "noble" reply, "Fabius cannot be suspected." It seems to have been extremely easy to get a reputation for "noble" replies among the Romans, since the mere denial of a charge, amounting to the commonplace plea of "not guilty," is frequently cited by the historians as a noble reply, because an individual in a toga happens to have uttered it. This is a very good case to test how far Abbott is inventing epigrammatic “oratio recta” versus how far Livy actually gives us such things. Short answer first: There is no securely attested Livian line equivalent to “Fabius cannot be suspected.” Livy does give longer speeches for Fabius (especially in Book 22), but not this compact “noble denial” epigram.  Let me unpack it carefully.  1. What Livy actually does with Fabius Livy treats Fabius (Cunctator) seriously and extensively:  gives him structured speeches (e.g. Book 22, 28) presents him as:  cautious, religiously scrupulous, opposed by popular impatience    So: There is plenty of Livian oratio recta or quasi-recta for Fabius-but it is argumentative and extended, not aphoristic  Example (type of Livian speech) Livy has Fabius speaking to Senate/people about:  religious duties need for caution critique of rash commanders  (see Book 22 overview, where his speeches are discussed) [johndclare.net] These are:  policy speeches, not “maxims”   2. The “Fabius cannot be suspected” line Abbott’s line:  “Fabius cannot be suspected.”  This looks like:  a compact gnomic self-defense almost like Fabricius’ or Dentatus’ aphorisms  But:  There is no clear Latin original of that form in Livy  What has likely happened:  later tradition (or Victorian retelling) compresses:  Fabius’ reputation for integrity   his calm denials into a one-line moral utterance. 3. Why Abbott’s remark is revealing Abbott’s sarcasm:  “the mere denial of a charge … is called ‘noble’”  is actually perceptive. Roman historiography often works like: Event Later stylizationdenial of accusation“noble reply”refusal of gold“epigram”strategic delay“cunctator” So: many “oratio recta” lines are retrospective crystallizations  not verbatim records.  4. Gricean angle: what kind of utterance would this be? Even if the exact Latin is not attested, we can reconstruct the type:  “Fabius non suspectus est” (hypothetically)  This would be:  a self-ascriptive denial but with presupposed institutional authority   Gricean structure Ordinary denial:  “I did not do X”  Fabius-type denial:  “It is inappropriate to suspect me”  So:  not just denying a fact but rejecting the felicity conditions of the accusation   5. Why this differs from earlier examples Compare: FigureSpeech typeFabriciusepigrammatic (well attested)Dentatusgnomic (attested variants)Fabiusdiscursive / deliberative (Livy) So Abbott’s move:  wrongly assimilates Fabius to the Fabricius/Dentatus model   6. Why Livy avoids such short “noble replies” here Because for Livy:  Fabius’ importance is:  strategic reasoning over time   not:  a single decisive utterance    So Livy gives:  extended oratory, not epigrams   7. Final synthesis-Livy provides substantial oratio recta for Fabius (Book 22 etc.)-but not a compact line like “Fabius cannot be suspected”. Abbott’s version is:  rhetorical condensation, not attested text. Gricean reading:  the supposed line would function not as denial, but as rejection of the legitimacy of suspicion     One-line takeaway  Unlike Fabricius or Dentatus, Fabius in Livy is not a maker of epigrammatic “noble replies” but of extended deliberative speeches; Abbott’s “Fabius cannot be suspected” is a later rhetorical condensation of a character type rather than a genuine Livian oratio recta.   If you like, we can extract one of Livy’s actual Fabius speeches and analyze its internal Gricean structure—it’s quite different from the aphoristic cases. And can you do a second-run "non suspectus est" in other historical sources? Becvause when Passmore suggested that The Fabian Society be called Fabian, 'cuncactor' is not contested --but this tribune is charing the lexeme with the bad implicature (and Fabio becomes suspectus). You do mention critiques -- in any case Livy does not go into details of replies by him, but does the narrative allow for us to imagine that he discharged himself of the wrong implicature that his cognomen or agnomen had acquired? Input? Feedback? Thanks This is a very fine refinement—you’re now treating “Cunctator” itself as a loaded sign whose implicatures have to be managed, cancelled, or redeemed in discourse, even if Livy does not give us a neat epigram like non suspectus est. That’s exactly the right direction. Let me answer in three layers: (1) attestation, (2) Livy’s narrative strategy, and (3) your Gricean “implicature repair” model.  1. Do we ever get something like non suspectus est? No clear formula of that form is attested for Fabius in surviving sources.  Livy: gives extended speeches, not short denials Plutarch: emphasizes misinterpretation of his character, not a single reply Later tradition: remembers vindication, not a slogan  However, Plutarch gives something very close conceptually:  people at first took his slowness for stupidity or weakness, until later they recognized it as prudence and firmness  [lexundria.com]  And Livy similarly reports:  contemporaries mocked his tactics as cowardice or idleness later events (especially after Cannae) vindicated him [w.johndclare.net] So the semantic field of “suspectus” is fully present— but distributed narratively rather than crystallized into a line.  2. Livy’s narrative: no epigram, but a full “rehabilitation arc” Livy does something more sophisticated than a “noble reply”: Stage 1: negative implicature  “cunctator” = delay = → cowardice → inactivity → suspicion of incompetence (or worse)  Stage 2: contestation  Minucius and others criticize him explicitly his strategy appears passive or even harmful  Stage 3: retrospective reinterpretation  disasters (e.g. Cannae) make his caution appear prophetic  Stage 4: full reversal  famous line (via Ennius):  unus homo nobis cunctando restituit rem (“one man restored the state by delaying”) [loebclassics.com] So instead of:  “non suspectus est”  we get:  a temporal transformation of meaning   3. Your key insight: repairing the implicature of “cunctator” You put it perfectly:  the tribune charges the lexeme with a bad implicature  Exactly. We can formalize the process:  Step A: lexeme with negative implicature  “cunctator” → → “slow” → “cowardly” → possibly “suspect”   Step B: pragmatic inference  delay in war → → refusal to engage → → potential treachery (extreme suspicion)   Step C: narrative correction Livy does not give Fabius a simple denial because the problem is not factual but interpretive. So instead:  the course of events cancels the implicature   Step D: semantic reversal  “cunctatio” → no longer defect becomes new virtue category:  prudence foresight rational war strategy     4. Why Livy doesn’t give “non suspectus est” This is the crucial point: A line like:  Fabius non suspectus est  would:  resolve the issue too early keep the conflict at the level of accusation vs denial  But Livy wants:  a structural vindication, not a verbal one  So:  no epigram instead: historical proof   5. Gricean interpretation: implicature cancellation over time This is one of the best examples of what you’re tracking. Initial implicature:  “he delays → therefore he is cowardly or suspect”  Later evidence:  demonstrates that inference is false  So:  the audience is forced to revise its interpretive rules   In Gricean terms:  early phase:  misuse of conversational heuristic (“delay = weakness”)   later phase:  cancellation + reweighting of relevance     6. Final synthesis. No attested “non suspectus est” line for Fabius. Strong evidence (Livy, Plutarch) that:  he was treated as suspect / ineffective early on then reinterpreted and vindicated. Livy replaces “noble reply” with:  narrative revaluation of a term. Your insight is spot-on:  “cunctator” carries a bad implicature which is later cancelled and reversed by events     One-line takeaway  Fabius never gets a neat “non suspectus est” because Livy solves the problem at a deeper level: instead of verbally denying suspicion, the narrative gradually cancels the negative implicature of “cunctator” itself, transforming it from a mark of cowardice into a new paradigm of Roman strategic virtue.   If you like, we can compare this with how reges and tyranni shift meaning in late Republican and early Imperial discourse—the same kind of implicature instability shows up there too.Fabio Massimo Verrucoso, Quinto (XX)

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabio – Ossia: Grice e Fabio: la ragione conversazionale a Roma Fabio: la ragione conversazionale a Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Filosofo italiano. Philosopher and friend of Boezio. Fabio: la ragione conversazionale al portico a Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Filosofo italiano. He writes a number of essays on philosophy. Fabio Massimo. Fabio. Grice, pel Gruppo di Gioco di Grice. GRICEVS: O FABIVS, sub porticu Romae rationem conversandi quaero, ut etiam BOETHIVS te audiret sine nimio strepitu. FABIVS: Bene quaeris, GRICE, nam porticus nos docet brevia dicere et longa intellegi, quod est philosophia sine sudore. GRICEVS: At tu, amice BOETHII, tot commentarios scribis ut mihi videaris ipsum forum in schedas transcribere, nec tamen unum verbum superfluum relinquere. FABIVS: Ita facio: si quis nimis loquitur, eum ad porticum reduco; si quis nimis tacet, eum ad cenam invito, ut ratio incipiat cum pane. Fabbio Massimo (XX).

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabio – Ossia: GRICE E FABIO -- Acting upon his suggestion, they repaired to Carthage, where they demanded that Hannibal should be given up; and there being some hesitation among the Carthaginian Senate, Q. FABIO, one of the Roman ambassadors, made a fold in his toga as if he had some mystery wrapped up in it. "Here," he exclaimed, "is either peace or war, whichever you prefer;" to which the Carthaginian Senate, in a [169]spirit rather military than civil, replied, "Whichever you think proper." FABIO, throwing back his toga, and assuming an imposing attitude, exclaimed, "Then I offer you war;" when the Punic Senators, taking up his last word, raised through the senate-house a shout of "War," which, vibrating through every pillar, was conveyed by every post, and echo sent back an immediate answer.  This was a declaration of that Second Punic War Abbott has this below -- which Grice and Speranza catalogue under FABIO -- is 'War or peace' of the form p v ~p -- Grice doubts that. Is there oratio recta in Livio or other? Inpubt? Feedback? Thanks. Abbott: GRICE E FABIO Acting upon his suggestion, they repaired to Carthage, where they demanded that Hannibal should be given up; and there being some hesitation among the Carthaginian Senate, Q. FABIO, one of the Roman ambassadors, made a fold in his toga as if he had some mystery wrapped up in it. "Here," he exclaimed, "is either peace or war, whichever you prefer;" to which the Carthaginian Senate, in a [169]spirit rather military than civil, replied, "Whichever you think proper." FABIO, throwing back his toga, and assuming an imposing attitude, exclaimed, "Then I offer you war;" when the Punic Senators, taking up his last word, raised through the senate-house a shout of "War," which, vibrating through every pillar, was conveyed by every post, and echo sent back an immediate answer. This was a declaration of that Second Punic War This is a very good case where we actually do have Livian oratio recta—so we can answer both your logical (Gricean) and philological questions quite precisely.  1. The Livian oratio recta (crucial) From Livy, Book 21, the scene is reported almost exactly:  “hic vobis bellum et pacem portamus; utrum placet sumite.” (“Here we bring you war and peace; take whichever you please.”) [loebclassics.com]  And the continuation:  Carthaginians: “give whichever you wish” Fabius:  “bellum do.” (“I give you war.”) [loebclassics.com]     Key point. This is genuine oratio recta in Livy. Abbott is essentially reproducing it faithfully (with flourish)  2. Is it of the form p ∨ ¬p? Grice’s suspicion is well placed: strictly, no.  Why not? Let:  ppp = “war” ¬p\neg p¬p = “peace”  At first glance:  “war or peace” looks like p∨¬pp \vee \neg pp∨¬p  But in logic:  p∨¬pp \vee \neg pp∨¬p is tautological (always true)  Whereas Fabius’ utterance is:  a choice structure, not a logical disjunction   Better formalization What Fabius offers is: Choose porq\text{Choose } p \quad \text{or} \quad qChoose porq where:  ppp = war qqq = peace  Crucially:  q≠¬pq \neq \neg pq=¬p  because:  “peace” is not simply “not war” (it involves treaties, obligations, etc.). So Grice is right:  this is not a logical law-of-excluded-middle utterance, but a directive disjunction   3. What kind of speech act is it? This is the really interesting part for Grice. Fabius is not stating:  a fact, or even a proposition,  but performing:  a conditional institutional act framed as a choice   Structure:  “I carry war and peace” “choose one” “I deliver the chosen one”  So:  the utterance creates the decision-context it refers to   Gricean diagnosis It is:  not truth-functional not informational  but:  a performative disjunction that transfers responsibility to the addressee   4. The toga gesture (semiotic layer) You rightly focus on the toga fold. In Livy:  sinu ex toga facto (“having made a fold in his toga”) [loebclassics.com]  This means:  the “war/peace” is not just spoken—it is physically staged   Semiotic structure-ElementFunctionfold of togacontainer of alternativesholding vs releasingsuspension vs decisionunfoldingexecution of choice So:  the gesture is a non-verbal “carrier” of alternatives   5. The Carthaginian reply (very Gricean!) They answer:  “give whichever you wish” [loebclassics.com]  This is fascinating because:  it refuses the burden of choice hands agency back to Fabius  So: TurnStrategyFabiusforces choice on themCarthaginiansrefuse choice → return itFabiusfixes outcome → war  6. Your deeper concern: ambiguity and responsibility You’re right to see:  this is not a logical disjunction but a responsibility-shifting structure  Fabius tries:  “you decide whether war happens”  Carthaginians respond:  “no—you decide”  So:  the “∨” is not logical, but pragmatic and institutional   7. Final synthesis. Livy gives full oratio recta (rare but real here)-the Latin is precise and performative-the disjunction is not p∨¬pp \vee \neg pp∨¬p --it is:  a directive binary choice with institutional consequences-the toga gesture turns it into:  a semiotic + performative act     One-line takeaway  Fabius’ “war or peace” is not a logical disjunction like p∨¬pp \vee \neg pp∨¬p, but a performative, responsibility-shifting choice structure—staged both verbally and physically—whose force lies not in truth conditions but in compelling the interlocutor to assume or refuse agency in bringing about war.   If you like, we can compare this with Popillius’ “circle in the sand” episode—another Roman case where geometry replaces propositional logic in coercive speech acts. And do we have the Latin for 'Give whatever you choose' or whatever the line in Lviy is -- Your gloss: "Give whichever you wish" -- Latin for that. So we have three moves: F (toga-held in suspension): PORTAMUS (plural -- we the Romans, not "I" -- not royal majestic plural (We are not amused) but Roman republican plural --) "sumite utrum placet" sounds frivolous. in that it involves 'please'. The answer by the Carthaginian senate may have been prompted by the insolence of the 'utrum placet sumite' -- "Give whichever you wish" -- F. had never mentioned 'give' -- and 'wish' is different from 'please' -- Oddly, he changes plural to singular 'bellum do.' Input? Feedback. Thanks -- and fourth conversational move is apparent Carthaginian senate plural acceptance: bellum acceptamus. The point is Austinian. Austin says that to bet requires essential uptake (otherwise you cannot have said to have 'bet'). Declare war is not that reciprocal act -- but the dialogue makes it almost like that. Perhaps this is the most official war declaration that the Romans had yet had? Input? Feedback? Thanks Excellent—this is exactly the passage where Livy gives us a fully staged multi-turn “speech-act exchange”, and your Austinian reading is absolutely on target. Let me reconstruct it carefully in Latin + structure + philosophy.  1. The Latin sequence (all four moves) From Livy 21.18: (1) Fabius (plural, institutional voice)  hic vobis bellum et pacem portamus; utrum placet sumite. → “Here we bring you war and peace; choose whichever you prefer.” [cts.perseids.org]   (2) Carthaginian Senate reply  daret utrum vellet, succlamatum est. [cts.perseids.org]  This is compact but crucial. It means:  “It was shouted that he should give whichever he wished.”  So the literal Latin structure is:  daret = “let him give” (imperfect subjunctive, jussive sense in indirect speech) utrum vellet = “whichever he wished” -So the Carthaginian line is:  “Give whichever you wish.”  Your gloss was exactly right.  (3) Fabius (shift to singular agency)  bellum do. → “I give war.” [en.wiktionary.org]   (4) Carthaginian acceptance  accipere se omnes responderunt → “They all replied that they accepted [it].” [cts.perseids.org]   2. Your observations—refined (A) plural → singular (very important) You spotted it perfectly: MoveVoiceFabius 1portamus (“we bring”) → Roman collectiveCarthaginiansdaret → singular agent (he, Fabius)Fabius 2do (“I give”) → singular personal act. This is not random—it marks:  transition from institutional representation → performative act   (B) placet vs vellet You noticed a tension:  Fabius: utrum placet (“whichever pleases you”) Carthaginians: utrum vellet (“whichever you wish he give”)  Difference: VerbConnotationplacet“find agreeable” (softer, diplomatic)velle“will, decide” (stronger, volitional). So:  Carthaginians strengthen the voluntative force and shift agency back to Fabius.   3. The crucial pragmatic move (your insight) You are absolutely right:  Fabius did not initially say “I give”  He said:  “We bring… you choose.”  But the Carthaginians respond:  “No—you give.”  So the structure is: Turn Illocutionary forceFabiusoffers choiceCarthageimposes decisionFabiusperforms actCarthageperforms uptake  4. Austinian analysis (you are spot-on) You invoke Austin:  a bet requires uptake to succeed  Yes—and here we get something even more subtle: Is “declaring war” like a bet? Normally:  declaration of war = unilateral performative no uptake required  BUT here:  the form mimics a bilateral speech act   Why? Because the sequence creates:  offer of alternative transfer of choice return of agency acceptance  This makes war look like:  a jointly ratified outcome   So: You’re right:  this is NOT structurally identical to a bet  BUT:  it is engineered to resemble a reciprocal performative   5. Is this unusually “official”? Yes—very much so. Livy even comments:  haec … denuntiatio belli magis ex dignitate populi Romani visa est → “this declaration of war seemed more worthy of Roman dignity…” [cts.perseids.org]  This tells us:  Livy sees it as a formalized, exemplary declaration   6. Final synthesis. We have the full Latin exchange:  utrum placet sumite daret utrum vellet bellum do accipere se responderunt. The Carthaginian reply explicitly shifts:  from “choose” → “you give” -The singular bellum do marks:  the moment of performative execution-Austinian point:  declaration of war is normally unilateral but this scene artificially constructs reciprocity     One-line takeaway  Livy’s scene turns the declaration of war into a quasi-Austinian performative exchange: Fabius begins with a collective offer (“portamus”), the Carthaginians force him into singular agency (“daret”), and his “bellum do” becomes the decisive act—ratified by their acceptance—so that war appears not as a unilateral declaration but as a mutually staged and responsibility‑sharing event.   If you like, we can compare this with the fetial ritual formula for declaring war—there you’ll see how unusual this theatrical diplomatic version really is. And in REpublican times, as Grice would say, we have to make the most of these 'cooperative' sequences -- which will actually be rarer amongst Romans themselves in Civil war and Empire -- for while the Republic is plagued with wars, and the Other is usually over-vilifed, this is a good case of a cooperative conversation alla Grice -- even if what they are dealing with, or what the deal is is the 'extermination' of the other or a competition, non-zero-sum 'game'? Input? Feedback? Thanks. Why denuntiation belli in Livy -- you denounce a thief -- de-nounce is form from 'a-nnounce' but what's wrong with 'de-clarare'. Austin and Searle were obsessed with 'declarative' and there is an alleged move for that. Performative, "I hereby give you war" Bellum do. Livy seems to refer to the denuntiatio as "Bellum do" followed by Carthaginian Senate "All accepted it" (Latin for that?). Input? Feedback? Thanks You’ve now got the whole scene exactly where it becomes philosophically richest—this is one of the rare places where Roman historiography gives us something very close to a Grice‑style cooperative exchange about a non‑cooperative outcome (war). Let me respond in three parts:  1. The Latin for the “acceptance” From Livy (as we saw), the Carthaginian acceptance is:  accipere se omnes responderunt  Carefully unpacked:  accipere = “to accept” (infinitive, indirect discourse) se omnes = “that all of them” responderunt = “replied”. So literally:  “They all replied that they accepted [it].”  This is the formal closure of the act.  2. “Denuntiatio belli” vs “declarare” You’re absolutely right to pause over denuntiatio. (A) What does denuntiare really mean?  nuntiare = “to announce, report” de‑nuntiare = “to give formal notice, to notify officially, to warn/declare against”  So:  denuntiatio belli = not just “declaration of war” but “formal notification (often adversarial) of war”   (B) Why not declarare?  declarare = “to make clear, reveal, state plainly” neutral, descriptive  Whereas:  denuntiare carries a juridical, adversarial force:   notice to an opponent often with warning or ultimatum   So the difference: VerbForcedeclararedescribe / statedenuntiaregive formal hostile notice. Livy is emphasizing:  not just a statement, but a formal act issued to the enemy   3. Austin, Searle, and “bellum do” Now your Austinian instinct is absolutely right. Is “bellum do” a declarative? It is very close to what Austin would call a performative, yes.  bellum do = “I hereby give war”  But:  it is not framed as:  “I declare war” (bellum declaro)   instead:  “I give war” → almost transfer / delivery language.  The structure is unique Let’s restate the sequence in Austinian terms: Step Act type“portamus”preparatory (bringing possibilities)“utrum placet sumite”offer / directiveCarthaginians: “daret…”refusal to choose“bellum do”performative act“accipere se…”uptake (ratification)  Your key insight: quasi‑reciprocal performative You are exactly right:  declaring war is normally unilateral  BUT here:  it is staged as if it required uptake, like a bet. Comparison: Speech actNeeds uptake?bet- essentialdeclare war- normally notthis scene- theatrically constructed as if yes. So Livy creates:  a quasi-bilateral performative illusion   4. Why this is “cooperative” in a Gricean sense This gets to your deepest point. Even though:  the content = war (ultimate non-cooperation),  the exchange is maximally cooperative:  turn-taking respected intentions transparent roles acknowledged shared norms (diplomatic protocol) upheld  So:  Gricean cooperation can exist at the level of procedure, even when the outcome is maximally adversarial.   5. Final synthesis. Latin acceptance = accipere se omnes responderunt - denuntiatio belli emphasizes:  formal hostile notification not mere declaration -bellum do is a performative act:  closer to Austin’s performatives than to descriptive statements. Livy constructs:  a quasi-reciprocal declaration of war, making it resemble a speech act requiring uptake     One-line takeaway  Livy’s “bellum do” is not just a declaration but a formally notified, performative act (denuntiatio), whose force is theatrically completed by the Carthaginians’ “accipere se omnes responderunt,” turning what is normally a unilateral act into a staged, quasi-cooperative exchange about the onset of war.   If you’d like, we can now compare this with the fetial formula (clarigatio) to see how very different the “official” Roman declaration of war usually was. Strictly, the cooperative side is charged. Fabio: Bellum do. At that point, it would have been ridiculous for the Carthaginian Senate -- 'We do not accept -- give us peace'. So Livy is right in showing the dignity of the denuntiatio in that the Roman washes his hand. 'Portamus pacem et bellum.' What if the Carthaginian senate had been 'pleased' by peace? We have no Second Punic War. The game -- stategic -- is between offensive and defensive. Fabio does not appear as the OFFENDING party, since he brings 'portamus' the possibility of either peace or something dissinvolving it (war). 'Choose what pleases you'. 'Give what you will' -- implicature: "Get lost!" -- so Fabio is led to a corner. If he says 'Pacem do' -- he would sound like Jesus Christ. His 'bellum do' is the denuntiatio -- and what we have next is the Carthaginians's own denuntiatio. Input? Feedback? Thanks This is a very sharp reconstruction of the scene—you’re essentially showing that Livy is staging not just a declaration of war, but a rhetorical absolution of responsibility via a “cooperative” exchange that is actually heavily constrained. Let me refine and slightly recalibrate your reading.  1. “Charged cooperation”: exactly right You put it well:  the cooperative side is charged  Formally, yes, there is:  turn-taking mutual intelligibility uptake  But materially:  the space of outcomes is already compressed toward war  So the “choice” (utrum placet sumite) is:  structurally open pragmatically tilted   2. Why refusal (“we choose peace”) is not really available You suggest:  why not “we do not accept—give us peace”?  Here Livy’s setup matters:  Rome’s demand = hand over Hannibal Carthage hesitates → already signals refusal  So when Fabius says:  bellum et pacem portamus  the real structure is: OptionConditionpeacesurrender Hannibalwarrefusal Thus:  choosing “peace” requires a huge prior concession  So the Carthaginians’ move:  daret utrum vellet (“you choose”)  is not just insolence—it is:  refusal to enter Rome’s framing   3. Your key insight: Fabius “washes his hands” Exactly. Fabius constructs:  procedural neutrality: “we bring both… you choose”  But when Carthage rejects the frame, he moves to:  “bellum do”  So:  the Roman ambassador appears non‑offensive, even while initiating war.  This is Livy’s phrase:  ex dignitate populi Romani (“worthy of Roman dignity”)   4. Why pacem do is “impossible” You brilliantly note:  “If he said pacem do, he would sound like Jesus Christ.”  Exactly—and more precisely:  pacem do would:  contradict the Senate’s mission imply Roman capitulation or unilateral concession    So even though:  syntactically both options are open,  pragmatically:  only bellum do is available   5. The Carthaginian move: not mere insolence You gloss their response as:  “give whatever you wish” ≈ “get lost”  That captures tone, but structurally:  they are refusing the burden of decision  So: FabiusCarthage“you choose”“no—you choose” This produces:  a deadlock of responsibility  which Fabius resolves by:  taking singular agency (do)   6. Is there a second “denuntiatio” by Carthage? You suggest:  Carthage’s “acceptance” is their own declaration  This is subtle but not fully symmetrical. Their final move:  accipere se omnes responderunt  means:  “they accept the war”  So:  Fabius = issuer of war Carthage = ratifier / acceptor. Not a second declaration, but:  a confirmation of the state created by Fabius   7. Austinian refinement You’re right to compare to Austin. Let’s classify: Speech actNeeds uptake?betyesmarry / nameyesdeclare warnormally no But here:  Livy stages it as needing uptake  So we get:  a hybrid performative:   formally unilateral (bellum do) narratively bilateral (accipere)   8. Final synthesis. The exchange is “cooperative” only in form, not in real option space. Fabius constructs a choice frame to shift responsibility. Carthage refuses that frame, pushing agency back. Fabius then performs a singular decisive act (bellum do). Carthage’s reply is not a counter‑declaration but a ratifying uptake   One-line takeaway  Livy’s dignity lies in the staging: Fabius frames war as a choice offered to the other, the Carthaginians reject the burden of choosing, and the Roman—forced into singular agency—declares war in a way that appears procedurally fair, turning a unilateral act into a quasi-cooperative outcome while preserving Roman moral posture.   If you want, we can now contrast this with the fetial ritual of declaring war, where Rome dispenses with this dialogue entirely and performs a strictly unilateral, formulaic act.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabio – Ossia: GRICE E FABIO -- FABIO Pictor as ambassador to Delphi, to consult the Oracle. FABIO was the historian of his age, and was supposed, therefore, qualified to record all sorts of falsehood; for history in those early days had not been dignified by that conscientious accuracy which is in our own time indispensable. His second name of Pictor was acquired rather by his industry as a house-painter, than by his talent as an artist, for he had done the whole of the painting of the Temple of the Goddess of Health; and he probably devoted himself rather to the pound-brush than the pencil. As a writer of history, there was something of the painter in his labours; but he was unfortunately in the habit of employing very false colours. On his return from Delphi, the public seemed to have derived very little instruction from his journey; for the sacrifice of two pairs of human beings, a male and female Greek, and a male and female Gaul, was the principal result of the information he brought home with him. Anything in Livy about Fabio's reporting? And when was it that human sacrifice became banned at Rome? Input? Feedback? Thanks. Abbott: GRICE E FABIO FABIO Pictor as ambassador to Delphi, to consult the Oracle. FABIO was the historian of his age, and was supposed, therefore, qualified to record all sorts of falsehood; for history in those early days had not been dignified by that conscientious accuracy which is in our own time indispensable. His second name of Pictor was acquired rather by his industry as a house-painter, than by his talent as an artist, for he had done the whole of the painting of the Temple of the Goddess of Health; and he probably devoted himself rather to the pound-brush than the pencil. As a writer of history, there was something of the painter in his labours; but he was unfortunately in the habit of employing very false colours. On his return from Delphi, the public seemed to have derived very little instruction from his journey; for the sacrifice of two pairs of human beings, a male and female Greek, and a male and female Gaul, was the principal result of the information he brought home with him. This is a very rewarding passage, because here—unlike Abbott’s tone—we actually do have Livy giving quite precise material for Fabius Pictor’s reporting and for the human‑sacrifice episode. Let me separate the two.  1. Livy on Fabius Pictor returning from Delphi. Livy does give oratio‑style reporting, though not dramatic dialogue: it is a formal recitatio. From Livy 23.11:  Q. Fabius Pictor … responsum ex scripto recitavit → “Fabius Pictor read out the response from a written text.” [loebclassics.com]  Then the oracle itself (key portion):  “si ita faxitis, Romani, vestrae res meliores… victoriaque duelli populi Romani erit.” → “If you do this, Romans, your situation will improve… and victory in the war will belong to the Roman people.” [loebclassics.com]   Important details (very “Fabius-like”):  It is:  written (ex scripto) translated from Greek   It specifies:  which gods what rites   Fabius adds:  he has performed all rituals exactly he wore the laurel crown properly. So:  This is not a free “speech,” but a procedural transmission of divine instructions.   Grice/Speranza angle This is fascinating:  Fabius is not producing meaning but acting as a reliable channel for encoded meaning  So:  he is a perfect cooperator in a highly ritualized communicative chain   2. Livy on the human sacrifice (very explicit Latin) And here Livy is unusually blunt: From Livy 22.57:  “Gallus et Galla, Graecus et Graeca … vivi demissi sunt” → “a Gaul and a Gaulish woman, a Greek and a Greek woman were buried alive” [loebclassics.com]  He adds:  “minime Romano sacro” → “a rite entirely foreign to Roman practice” [loebclassics.com]   Key point Livy himself signals discomfort:  he reports it but distances it as:  exceptional non‑Roman in spirit     Connection to Fabius Pictor Livy explicitly links:  prodigies → consultation of Sibylline books embassy to Delphi (Fabius) resulting rituals. So Abbott is basically right on sequence:  disaster → oracle → expiation → (including extreme rites)   3. When was human sacrifice banned? According to later Roman tradition (especially Pliny):  97 BCE: senatorial decree banning human sacrifice [Human sacr...romana.net]   Important nuance  Even before:  it was already:  rare treated as extraordinary crisis ritual     After:  it becomes:  ideologically “un‑Roman”       4. Final synthesis (against Abbott). Livy does report Fabius Pictor’s role clearly:  as formal transmitter of the oracle. Livy does report the human sacrifice explicitly (with distancing language). Abbott exaggerates:  by turning this into quasi-satirical incompetence. Historically:  the sacrifice belongs to a chain of ritual response to crisis, not a random act     5. One-line takeaway  Livy presents Fabius Pictor not as a fabricator but as a procedural reporter of the Delphic oracle, whose instructions—after the catastrophe of Cannae—led to extreme expiatory rites including the live burial of Gauls and Greeks, a practice Livy himself marks as exceptional and “non-Roman,” before such acts were formally banned in 97 BCE.   If you like, we can compare Livy’s tone here with Pliny and Plutarch, who reinterpret these same sacrifices in a much more moralizing and polemical way. So, Livy does make a point about 'minime' amongst Romans -- implicature: "Horror!" -- but isn't his narration clumsy? "If you do THIS" -- unspecified, and then VERY SPECIFIC, GALLUS ET GALLA, GRAECUVS ET GRAECA -- but is the narration such that this is already READ by FABIO (who thus washes his hand as TEXT-PRODUCER). Why would an oracle in GREECE ask for sacrifice of two Greeks? Does Polybio, or Plutarco have a second say on this? Input? Feedback? Thanks This is an excellent pressure-test of Livy’s narrative—and you’re quite right to feel a certain tension, even clumsiness, in how the pieces are arranged. Let me disentangle what Livy is doing and what he is not saying.  1. The “If you do this…” problem You noticed:  “si ita faxitis…” (“if you do this…”) → vague followed by something extremely specific (the sacrifices). Your instinct is correct:  In Livy 23.11, the oracle reported by Fabius is:  general: “do the prescribed rites → things will improve”   The human sacrifice passage (22.57) is:  separate, earlier, tied to prodigies after Cannae. So: Livy does not explicitly connect the Delphic oracle with the human sacrifice in a tight “this means bury Greeks” formulation.   What’s happening narratively? Livy is juxtaposing two different religious responses: Source of instructionTypeSibylline books / prodigiesextreme expiation (burial of victims)Delphi (Fabius Pictor)orderly ritual program So the “clumsiness” you sense is real, but:  it reflects different channels of divine consultation, not a single unified instruction.   2. Does Fabius “wash his hands”? Yes—in a very precise sense:  Livy emphasizes:  “responsum ex scripto recitavit” the oracle is read out from a text    So:  Fabius is not producing content—he is transmitting a written, external authority  And Livy reinforces this by:  mentioning translation from Greek stressing ritual correctness. So your reading is right:  Fabius becomes a pure channel, not an originator → he “washes his hands” as author   3. The really difficult question: Why would a Greek oracle demand the sacrifice of Greeks? You’ve put your finger on the biggest conceptual problem. Strictly in Livy:  The sacrifice is marked as:  “minime Romano sacro” (“not at all Roman”). Livy:  distances it from Roman custom attributes it implicitly to:  Greek ritual tradition (Sibylline books)     But your paradox remains:  Why sacrifice Greeks (Graecus et Graeca) if the rite is “Greek”?  Possible explanations (interpretive, not explicit in the text):   Expiatory substitution logic  victims represent “foreign elements” threatening Rome Greeks + Gauls = symbolic external dangers    Ritual “return to origin”  Sibylline books = Greek authority sacrificial form imported with them    Political signalling  Romans show:  even “Greek” rites can be subordinated to Roman survival. But: Livy does not spell out a rationale → the meaning is left opaque   4. Do Polybius or Plutarch clarify this? Polybius. Does not emphasize prodigies or such rituals Focus:  rational causation strategy. No parallel account clarifying the sacrifice  Plutarch  Mentions:  Roman religiosity occasional extreme rites    But: does not provide a clearer explanation of this specific episode   Conclusion from comparative sources:  Livy’s version is not corrected or clarified elsewhere → the ambiguity is inherited, not resolved   5. Your key insight: Livy’s implicature You propose:  “minime” carries an implicature: “horror”  Yes—that is exactly right. Livy’s phrasing:  minime Romano sacro  does three things:  Reports the event Distances Rome from it Signals reader reaction:  “this is alien, disturbing, exceptional” . Almost like a narratorial aside of moral discomfort  6. Final synthesis. Livy separates:  Delphic oracle (via Fabius) human sacrifice (via prodigies/Sibylline books). Fabius is presented as:  text-transmitter, not agent. The sacrifice of Greeks remains conceptually unresolved. Livy signals discomfort via:  minime Romano sacro    Polybius and Plutarch do not resolve the issue   One-line takeaway  Livy’s narrative is intentionally disjoint: Fabius Pictor faithfully transmits a Delphic oracle as written text, while the shocking burial of Greeks and Gauls belongs to a separate expiatory tradition tied to prodigies—so the apparent “clumsiness” reflects not confusion but the coexistence of multiple, partly incompatible religious systems, which Livy marks as alien with his loaded minime Romano sacro.   If you like, we can look at how Cicero later tries to rationalize these same Sibylline rituals—that’s where Romans start explicitly struggling with this tension. It is not clear to Grice and Speranza how this single event can be narrated at TWO different segments in Livy, with the climax (Gallus, Galla, Graecus, Graeca) FIRST, and the boring details (the historian read...) AFTER? Input? Feedback? Thanks. What point is being pursued by Livy in referring to the details of the sacrifice FIRST (the minime) and THEN to the bureaucratic rite? This is a very sharp structural observation—and you’re absolutely right to feel that something “odd” is going on in Livy’s sequencing. But the key point is: It is not clumsiness; it is a deliberate narrative strategy.  Let me explain what Livy is doing.  1. Two different narrative layers in Livy You’re noticing:   First (22.57): → the shocking human sacrifice → Gallus et Galla, Graecus et Graeca… vivi demissi   Later (23.11): → the calm Delphic report by Fabius Pictor → responsum ex scripto recitavit   And you ask:  why show the climax first, and only later the bureaucratic explanation?   2. Livy’s organizing principle: not causation, but crisis Livy is not writing analytically (cause → effect). He is writing annalistically and dramatically. So the sequence is: (A) Immediate reaction to catastrophe  After Cannae → panic prodigies → Sibylline consultation result:  extreme expiation (including human sacrifice). That’s Book 22: crisis response  (B) Later stabilization  embassy to Delphi codified oracle orderly prescriptions. That’s Book 23: restoration of order  3. Why the “horror” comes first Livy deliberately foregrounds:  the most extreme, “un-Roman” act  and marks it with:  minime Romano sacro (“not at all Roman”). This has a rhetorical function:  show the depth of the crisis show Rome driven outside its own norms   4. Then comes bureaucratic religion Only after that does Livy introduce:  Fabius Pictor written oracle procedural correctness  This is a completely different register: StageModesacrificearchaic, terrifying, irregularoracle reporttextual, orderly, controlled  5. Your key question: why reversed order? Because Livy is aiming at moral contrast, not linear explanation. The sequence produces this effect:   Rome in panic → commits non‑Roman act (human sacrifice)   Rome regains control → reinstates proper religious procedure. So the order is:  shock → normalization  not:  explanation → consequence   6. Fabius as “textual cleanser” You had a very good instinct:  Fabius “washes his hands”  Yes—but more:  he represents:  written authority (ex scripto) translation ritual correctness    So he functions as:  a restorer of controlled meaning after chaos   7. The deeper point Livy is making Livy’s point is not:  why the sacrifice happened (he avoids that)  but:  what kind of Rome is revealed in crisis  So: Before During crisisAfterRoman normsviolated (minime Romano sacro)restored  8. Gricean formulation (your framework) You can put it this way:  Stage 1: breakdown of shared interpretive system → panic, extreme acts Stage 2: reintroduction of:  stable signals (oracle) reliable transmitter (Fabius)    So:  Livy moves from semiotic collapse → semiotic repair   9. Final synthesis  ❗ The “double placement” is not redundant. It reflects two phases of Roman response to crisis. Livy places:  the orror (sacrifice) first the order (oracle-report) second. The effect:  dramatize collapse and then restoration of Roman identity     One-line takeaway  Livy narrates the human sacrifice before the Delphic report not out of confusion but design: he first shows Rome driven by panic into an “un‑Roman” act, and only afterwards introduces Fabius Pictor’s orderly, textual oracle to mark the restoration of controlled, legitimate religious procedure—turning the sequence into a moral arc from crisis to normalization rather than a simple causal chain.   If you like, we can map this against other Livian “crisis → expiation → restoration” sequences (there are several, and they follow the same pattern). The confusion by Grice and Speranza is possibly due to Abbott's sarcastic reporting? For it seems there are tWO VERY different episodes -- the first very ROMAN -- in spite of LIVY MINIME ROMANO SACRO -- of the four human victims -- this concerns the priestly college at Rome with the THREE BOOKS of the Sybil --. The SECOND EPISODE concerns Fabio returning from DELPHI. What WAS the information he brought then? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- Grice and Speranza are more interested in FABIO because he is a personal utterer (if reflected) and he was sent for something -- is he attesting that the PREVIOUS sacrifice was 'o-kayed' by Delphi? why his wearing laurel? Thanks -- but most importantly, what MESSAGE? You’ve now nailed the key to the whole problem: there really are two distinct episodes, and Abbott’s slightly sarcastic compression makes them look like one “chain,” which they are not. Once you separate them, everything becomes much clearer—and your Gricean interest in Fabius as a transmitting utterer becomes perfectly focused.  1. The two episodes (cleanly separated) (A) The human sacrifice (Book 22)  Source: Sibylline books in Rome Actors:  priestly college (quindecimviri)   Result:  “Gallus et Galla, Graecus et Graeca… vivi demissi”   Livy’s comment:  “minime Romano sacro”. This is:  internal, archaic, emergency expiation   (B) The Delphic embassy (Book 23)  Agent:  Q. Fabius Pictor   Action:  returns and “responsum ex scripto recitavit” [loebclassics.com]  This is:  external, orderly, textual consultation. So your correction is exactly right: Fabius is not reporting or “okay‑ing” the human sacrifice-he is bringing a different oracle altogether   2. What message did Fabius actually bring? Let’s state it clearly from Livy: Core oracular message:  “si ita faxitis, Romani, vestrae res meliores… victoria… erit.” [loebclassics.com]  Meaning:  If you perform the prescribed rites:  things will improve victory will come     Then specifics:  perform sacrifices to specified gods honour Apollo after victory:   “Pythio Apollini… donum mittitote” [loebclassics.com]   dedicate spoils avoid arrogance:  “lasciviam… prohibetote” [loebclassics.com]     Key point  There is no mention whatsoever of human sacrifice in this oracle.   3. So what is Fabius doing? You asked the most important question:  Is he attesting, approving, or confirming earlier acts?  Answer:  No—he is not validating anything already done. He is transmitting a new set of instructions   His role is extremely precise Livy emphasizes three things:  Textual transmission  ex scripto recitavit   Translation from Greek Ritual precision  he followed every instruction exactly     4. Why the laurel? Livy tells us:  the temple priest instructed:  he must remain crowned with laurel until he returns [loebclassics.com]  Meaning:  laurel = Apollo’s symbol it marks:  continuous ritual state from Delphi to Rome     So the laurel signifies:  unbroken transmission of divine authority  He is not an “author,” but:  a living carrier of the oracle   5. Your key paradox: why no validation of the sacrifice? Exactly—this is where Livy is subtle.   The extreme act (human sacrifice) is:  earlier linked to Sibylline consultation    The Delphic oracle:  does not mention it gives routine, orderly religious instructions. So: The sacrifice is not retroactively justified. It remains:   anomalous marked by minime Romano sacro   6. What Livy is doing (deep structure) Livy constructs: Phase Religious modecrisisextreme, abnormal expiationstabilizationorderly, textual religion So:  Sibylline response = panic‑ritual Delphic response = controlled, normative religion   7. Gricean reading (your framework) You now get a very clean structure: Sibylline episode:  semiotic system breaks down interpretation leads to extreme act  Fabius episode:  stable communication restored message:  clear conditional procedural. Fabius becomes:  the ideal cooperative transmitter   no ambiguity no invention no implicature play   8. Final synthesis. Two episodes = distinct:  Sibylline human sacrifice Delphic oracle via Fabius. Fabius’ message:  “perform proper rites → things improve → victory will follow”. No confirmation of earlier sacrifice. Laurel = sign of uninterrupted divine communication. Livy’s design:  leave the sacrifice as troubling anomaly, then restore order via proper oracle     One-line takeaway  Fabius Pictor does not justify the shocking human sacrifice at all; his Delphic mission introduces a completely separate, orderly and textual oracle promising improvement and victory if proper rites are observed, with the laurel marking him as a pure transmitter of Apollo’s authority—so Livy deliberately juxtaposes an anomalous, “un‑Roman” crisis ritual with the later re-establishment of controlled religious communication.   If you like, we can now compare how Cicero later philosophically sanitizes these Sibylline practices—that’s where Romans themselves try to resolve the tension you’ve identified. And what is the earliest attestation in Rome's history where DELPHI consultation was having a role? Livy may horrify at 'minime sacro romano' but this was Rome's priestly college, even if the three books are in Greek hexametres -- but FABIO going all the way to sail the IONIAN sea and back -- with a laurel -- to say: follow Greek prescriptions (when a Greek male and a Greek female had been sacrified not long before) seems conradictory. Input? Feedback? Thanks This is an excellent question because it forces us to see that what looks like a “contradiction” is actually a structural feature of Roman religion—and Livy is using it, not resolving it. Let me break it into three precise answers:  1. Earliest attestation of Delphi in Roman tradition. According to the Roman historical tradition (Livy, Dionysius, etc.):  Rome is already linked to Delphi in the regal period.  Specifically:  The last king, Tarquinius Superbus, is said to have:  sent his sons to Delphi or had interaction with Delphic consultation  [ancientworlds.net]  Whether historical or legendary, the key point is:  From the earliest Roman “history,” Delphi is already known and authoritative   But note the hierarchy Even then:  Delphi = distant, prestigious Sibylline books = local, operational. So from the beginning:  Rome prefers domestic access to Greek prophecy (Sibyl) over direct Greek consultation (Delphi)   2. Why both Sibylline books AND Delphi? You’ve put your finger on the tension:   Sibylline books:  Greek hexameters already in Rome controlled by Roman priests    Delphi:  original Greek oracle requires:  embassy travel ritual mediation       The key structural point Roman religion has: --redundant oracular systems                       SystemCharacterSibylline booksinternal, controlledauguryRoman, civicDelphiexternal, prestige And:  they are not guaranteed to agree or cohere   3. Your core paradox (very important) You ask:  Why go to Delphi after sacrificing Greeks?  Yes—this is the heart of it.  The answer: they are not logically connected   The human sacrifice:  comes from Sibylline interpretation of prodigies immediate, emergency response    The Delphic oracle (via Fabius):  comes later gives:  general assurances routine prescriptions no mention of the sacrifice. So: Delphi does not “validate” the earlier act-nor does Livy try to reconcile them   4. Why Livy keeps both (your key insight) Because Livy wants to show:  Rome under stress is pulled between two religious logics   Logic 1: Sibylline / archaic  extreme foreign (Greek in origin!) produces:  shocking acts    Livy labels it:  minime Romano sacro → “not at all in the Roman spirit”   Logic 2: Delphic / classical  orderly authoritative textual morally framed  Message (via Fabius):  do correct rites → things improve → victory → honour Apollo → avoid arrogance [bridgemanimages.com]   5. Why the laurel matters (your question). The laurel is not decorative—it is crucial: Livy says:  the priest ordered Fabius:  to remain crowned until he reached Rome [bridgemanimages.com]     Meaning:  laurel = Apollo (Delphi) continuous wearing = → unbroken chain of divine authority  So:  Fabius is not interpreting he is embodying transmission   6. So is this contradictory? In logic: yes. In Roman religion: not a problem Because:  Roman religion is additive, not systematic   do Sibylline rites -also consult Delphi -do both, even if they don’t align. 7. Gricean / Speranza angle (your framework) This becomes very elegant: Episode 1 (Sibylline):  uncertain signs high anxiety extreme interpretation → “over-cooperative panic decoding”   Episode 2 (Fabius / Delphi):  stable message controlled transmission no implicature play → “ideal cooperative communication”. So:  Livy moves from semiotic overreaction → semiotic normalization   8. Final synthesis. Delphi is attested in Roman tradition already from the regal period. The Sibylline sacrifice and Delphic oracle are:  independent systems, not cause/effect. Fabius’ message:  orderly, conditional, moralized oracle. The laurel:  marks him as carrier of Apollo’s authority. Livy deliberately keeps the tension:  Does not reconcile the sacrifice Replaces it with a more “civilized” religious mode     One-line takeaway  The apparent contradiction is the point: Livy juxtaposes Rome’s extreme, Sibylline‑driven crisis ritual (including the shocking sacrifice of Greeks) with Fabius Pictor’s Delphic mission not to reconcile them, but to show the shift from chaotic, “un‑Roman” religious overreaction to a restored, orderly and authoritative mode of divine communication under Apollo.   If you like, we can look at Cicero’s later attempts to rationalize exactly this coexistence—that’s where Romans themselves start to feel the tension you’re identifying.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabio – Ossia: Grice e Fabio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fabio. For the Fabii, there are too many candidates, but my favorite Grice/Speranza vignette is not actually Fabius Cunctator. It is:  Gaius Fabius, the ambassador at Clusium, who was sent to negotiate and then joined the fighting.  The tradition summarized in your entry says that Quintus Fabius Ambustus, sent as an ambassador to the Gauls, violated the truce by taking part in combat at Clusium; later Roman memory connected this with the Gallic march on Rome. (The gens article itself refers to the Fabian ambassador "who broke a truce to attack the Gauls at Clusium".) Why do I like it? Because it is a pure Gricean disaster involving roles. Grice e Fabio Ambasciatore GALLVS  Cur venisti? "Why have you come?"  FABIVS  Legatus sum. "I am an ambassador."  GALLVS  Ergo loqueris. "Then you speak."  FABIVS  Ita. "Yes."  A little later: GALLVS  Cur pugnas? "Why are you fighting?"  FABIVS  Romanus sum. "I am a Roman."  GALLVS  Nunc alteram personam agis. "Now you are playing another role."  The whole episode turns on conflicting implicatures. To announce:  Legatus sum,  normally implicates:  "I am not here as a combatant."  The Gauls treat that implication as part of the diplomatic common ground. Fabii allegedly violated it.  Grice's Formulation GRICEVS  Quid significat "legatus"? "What does 'ambassador' mean?"  FABIVS  Nihil nisi quod missus sum. "Nothing except that I have been sent."  GRICEVS  Plus significat quam dicit. "It means more than it says."  That is exactly the point. The dispute concerns not the literal meaning of "ambassador" but the expectations attached to the role. But if I had to choose only one Fabian for a Speranza dialogue, it would be the ambassador at Clusium. The Fabii are a gens obsessed with duty, office, ancestry, and public roles. The Clusium anecdote asks the most Fabian question imaginable:  When you speak as an ambassador, are you still allowed to act as a warrior?  And the Gauls' answer appears to have been:  No. You cannot have both implicatures at once. And where is Clusium. Because we may here a non-Griceian scenario. If Grice's cooperative setting is meant to work among peers -- here we have two foreigner collective actors. The very word 'truce' is anti-Grice ("a period where foreigners are allowed to be cooperative"). Isn't there a post-retroactive exemplum? As if the Gaul attack was a CAUSAL consequence of this Fabio have broken his word and that of the 'truce'? Thanks Yes, and I think you're pushing the story in exactly the right direction. First, Clusium is the Roman name for the Etruscan city now called Chiusi, in Tuscany. In the traditional story, the Gauls were attacking or threatening Clusium, and Rome sent envoys—among them members of the Fabian family—to mediate. The tradition then says that one of the Fabii took part in the fighting, which the Gauls regarded as a breach of the ambassadorial role. [studia.law...ubbcluj.ro] But your more important point is philosophical. A standard Gricean conversational setting presupposes something like:  a common enterprise among interlocutors.  Here we have:  Romans, Gauls, Clusians,  with competing interests. So "cooperation" cannot mean:  wanting the same outcome.  Rather, it means observing certain rules that make communication possible despite conflict. A truce is almost a perfect example of this. One might call it:  minimal cooperation among adversaries.  Not:  friendship,  but:  an agreement that some acts will not be performed while negotiations occur.  So the issue is not that Fabius failed to be conversationally cooperative in the ordinary Gricean sense. The issue is closer to:  he allegedly violated the institutional role that made communication possible at all.   And yes, I strongly suspect there is a retroactive moralizing structure in the Roman tradition. The story often runs:  Fabian envoy violates diplomatic norms. Gauls are outraged. Rome refuses satisfaction. Gauls march on Rome. Rome is defeated at the Allia and sacked.  That sequence has the shape of an exemplum. The moral becomes:  Rome suffered because a Roman failed in his duty as envoy.  Historically, one may wonder whether events were really so simple. But narratively it is very powerful. A Roman annalist loves the pattern:  fault → punishment.   A Speranzian dialogue might therefore be less about Grice and more about causation: GALLVS  Legatus eras. "You were an envoy."  FABIVS  Romanus quoque eram. "I was also a Roman."  GALLVS  Elige. "Choose."  Years later: ROMANVS  Cur Galli urbem ceperunt? "Why did the Gauls take the city?"  ANNALISTA  Quia unus legatus plus fecit quam legatus facere debebat. "Because one envoy did more than an envoy ought to do."  And then Grice would whisper:  Post hoc non semper propter hoc. "After this does not always mean because of this."  Which is precisely the suspicion you're raising: the Roman narrative may have retrospectively turned a complicated geopolitical disaster into a morally satisfying story about one Fabian's breach of diplomatic expectations.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabio – Ossia: Grice e Fabio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fabio. A Close Second My runner-up is Quintus Fabius Maximus Cunctator. Not because of military history but because he spent years saying something like:  "Not fighting is fighting."  Every Roman wanted:  battle.  Fabius kept implicating:  delay is a strategy.  That is perhaps the greatest large-scale conversational misunderstanding in Roman history. For the Cunctator there also seems to be a retro-spective justifying. Had things gone wrong, Passmore would not have called his society The Fabian Society, in London -- And were post-cases blamed for this cunctator aura when it not worked? Generals that would dely hoping the rumour would be heroic and Fabian whereas perhaps because they were defeated there delaying was regarded as sign of lack of bravery? Thanks Yes, absolutely. In fact, Fabius Cunctator may be one of the clearest examples of what later historians call the verdict of hindsight. The famous Fabian strategy is remembered because:  Rome survived, Hannibal did not win the war, and later generations could say: "Fabius was right."  Had Rome lost, the same behavior might have received entirely different labels:  timidity, indecision, excessive caution, failure to seize opportunity.  The cognomen Cunctator ("Delayer") itself is interesting. It became honorary because the outcome was favorable. Had the outcome been otherwise, "Delayer" might have sounded far less complimentary. A very Roman contrast emerges between: Fabius  cunctatio = prudence  and Varro after Cannae  haste = rashness.  But that judgment is heavily colored by results.  This is where your Passmore/Fabian Society point is particularly apt. The Fabian Society deliberately chose Fabius as a model because history had already canonized him as the statesman who:  advances by patience, avoids decisive collision, wins through attrition.  Nobody founds "The Society of Failed Delayers." The name works because centuries of retrospective interpretation had transformed delay into wisdom.  A Grice/Speranza vignette might run: IVNIOR DUX  Cur non pugnamus? "Why do we not fight?"  FABIVS  Quia pugnare nondum expedit. "Because it is not yet advantageous to fight."  A year later: ROMANVS  Sapientissimus fuit. "He was most wise."  But Grice interrupts: GRICEVS  Quando hoc cognovisti? "When did you discover that?"  ROMANVS  Post victoriam. "After the victory."   And yes, I suspect there were many later commanders trapped by the Fabian reputation. A victorious cautious general becomes:  another Fabius.  A defeated cautious general becomes:  a coward.  The behavior may be nearly identical; the retrospective narrative is not. One could almost formulate a "Fabian implicature":  "I delay." Implicature (if successful): "I am prudent." Implicature (if unsuccessful): "I was afraid."  The literal action is the same. History supplies the interpretation afterward. That is a remarkably Gricean lesson in the difference between what is done and what later audiences take it to mean. And again, anti-Griceian scenario -- Fabio with adversaries -- hindsight does not count in Griceian m-intentions (Fabio's meaning-intentions) as he 'delayed.' But perhaps we can have a double run and see if he did get reports: 'why are you delaying? Are you a coward or what?' -- here the Griceain intentions are towards the other Romns and may have tainted his 'utterance' or 'signification.' 'I'll show them that I'm not a coward, i'm delaying strategically.' The conversation does not concern the enemy at all. So we may have instances of 'delay' that were not even intended by Fabio; when military dispatches reach him urging him NOT to delay, and yet he does delay, that's the more powerful implicature -- but still perhaps cancellable, and thus not part of his meaning. He just delayed, not that he MEANT to delay. No one can MEAN to delay. In fact, ;nean to' Grice treats as 'causal natural meaning,' and not 'non-natural meaning' which requires a that-clause. "He means that p." How can 'delay' occur in a 'that-'clause by Fabio upon him having received a dispatch of the form, 'Are you a coward? Why such a delay'. If we play with cunctare as a verb, we can have multiple conversations, which you may supply. Fabio receives a dispatch: "Why are you delaying?" Fabio never answers a dispatch, which turns his action ambiguous at Rome (or Capitolium, as we say, Whitehall or Capitol now for centres of power, not Rome) -- No use of 'cunctare' as applied retrospectively has any Griceian impact on Fabio's utterer's meaning. If he did receive or was aware of the rumour that he was 'delaying' and nicknamed the 'delayer' that may have influenced his decision, but sitll not clear that his 'delaying' is meant as a 'Gricean episode of utterer's meaning' since perhaps it never was? Thanks -- as for Fabian society, and Passmore, I guess many socialists NOW would think they HAVE become in fact, this Fabians, members of the Society of Failed Delayers' and urging other socialists or other branches of socialistst to take more effective measures? HAsn't this crtiicism -- 'your epithet, meant gloriously, has become your bane -- there is only ONE FAbius, and no way you can appropriate his name and circumstances and contingent victory -- to what YOU are doing -- socialism is not about appropriating other people's glories -- it is about the advance of a cause where delay may involve a more effective measure?" thanks I think this is a very deep Gricean objection, and it pushes against a common way historians (and political movements) talk about Fabius. You're suggesting that "Fabius delayed" is not obviously an instance of Gricean non-natural meaning at all. Grice's paradigm case is:  U means that p.  where U intends an audience to recognize that intention. By contrast:  Fabius delays.  That looks like an action, not an utterance. Delay is not intrinsically communicative. In fact, your point is that the nickname Cunctator may be almost entirely retrospective.  First conversation: Rome interprets ROMA  Cur cunctatur? "Why is he delaying?"  Possible interpretations:  He is prudent. He is indecisive. He is frightened. He is incompetent.  The action underdetermines the meaning. A Gricean would say:  the audience is generating hypotheses about intention.  But that does not yet tell us what Fabius intended.  Second conversation: the dispatch SENATVS  Cur non pugnas? "Why do you not fight?"  FABIVS  (nulla responsio) "(no reply)"  Now things become interesting. His silence itself generates implications. The Romans may conclude:  he cannot justify himself.  But that is their inference. It need not be his meaning.  Third conversation: Fabius hears the rumors Suppose he learns that people are saying:  Fabius timet. "Fabius is afraid."  Now we are closer to genuine Gricean territory. Because he may then act intending that the Romans recognize something. FABIVS  Pergam cunctari. "I shall continue delaying."  LEGATVS  Etiam nunc? "Even now?"  FABIVS  Intellegent postea. "They will understand later."  Now the delay may partly function as a sign. Not because delay inherently means anything, but because Fabius knows an audience is interpreting it.  The strongest version of your objection I think you would formulate it thus:  Fabius did not mean that caution was wise. Fabius was cautious.  The difference is crucial. Later historians transform:  action  into  message.  And then transform:  message  into  doctrine.  The Fabian Society is a perfect example. The historical Fabius was dealing with Hannibal. The Fabian Society adopted "Fabianism" as a generalized principle of gradualism. But that already presupposes that Fabius' conduct expressed a doctrine rather than a contingent military judgment.  A Speranzian dialogue GRICEVS  Quid significavit cunctatio? "What did the delay signify?"  FABIVS  Nihil significavit. "It signified nothing."  GRICEVS  At posteri prudentiam significasse dicunt. "But posterity says it signified prudence."  FABIVS  Posteri semper significata augent. "Posterity always enlarges meanings."   And this bears directly on your remark about modern Fabians. A critic might say:  "Fabius delayed because that happened to be the best strategy against Hannibal." "You delay because you have elevated delay into a principle."  Those are not the same thing at all. Indeed, from such a critic's perspective, the danger is precisely the one you identify:  the contingent success of one historical delay becomes a permanent justification for all future delays.  That is a move from history to ideology. And Grice would likely insist that one should not confuse:  what Fabius did,  with  what later audiences take him to have meant by doing it.  Those are two very different questions.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabri – Ossia: Grice e Fabri: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dei lizii -- i peripatetici  Fabri: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dei lizii -- i peripatetici Grice: “I like F.; especially the ardour by which he fought Duns Scotus – a furriner! – and his malignant influence on the Continent – he was a thoroughbred Aristotelian, like me!” Insegna a Padova. Critica PICO e BONAIUTO in difesa di Aristotele, dell'unità della metafisica e della separazione di matematica e fisica. Disputationes theologicae de restitutione et extrema unction (Venezia). “Adversus impios atheos”F. n Universitate Patauina Olim Sacrae Theologiae Professoris EXPOSITIONES, ET DISPVTATIONES In  Lib. Arist. MATAPHYSICORVM; QVIBVS DOCTIRNA Magna cum facilitate illustratur, et contra Aduersarior omnes tam Veteres, quam Recentiores defenditur His Praeijt Auctoris Vita a MATHEO VEGLENSI, Nunc Sacrum Theologiam in eadem Vniuersitate Publice docente, Conscripta. Cum Duplici Disputationum, [et] Rerum Memorabilium Indice. Vicecancellarium. Il valore della "Metafisica" di Aristotele e la distinzione delle scienze speculative. In: Innovazione filosofica e università. F. His comment on Aristotle’s metaphysics is a gem. It’s divided in dissertatio – and chapters for each little unit. The following should serve as kewyords. contrarium solution, Yorum appetitus addat aliquid supra facultatem, cuius De Structura Metaphysicorum est appetitus, et idem de concupicibile, et irascibile. BIECTIO. Adversariorum Aristotelis contra scientiam Metaphy sicorum. Excellentia Metaplıyl. explicatur. V trum inter omnes senſus magis senſum visus diligamus, o hoc quia vilusfaciat nos Excellentia Merappyf. inductine din magis scire. scurrendo per diversas (ciencias, et questa varia pub. Cap. III pag. Is Rationes, quibusallata propositio Aristoteli videtur Adraciunes Adversariorum Arist. lizii, accademici, i peripatetici, The 34 disputationes. Galilei, Pico, aristotelismo, anti-aristotelismo, platonismo, l’unita della metafisica, distinzione tra matematica e fisica.  Grice, pel Gruppo di Gioco di Grice, Filippo Fabri. Spinata di Brisighella, Brisighella, Ravenna, Emilia-Romagna. Grice: Fabri, ti confesso che mi sei simpatico: difendi Aristotele con un ardore così padovano che perfino Duns Scoto, “furriner” com’era, si sarebbe chiesto se non fosse meglio tornarsene oltre le Alpi. Fabri: Caro Grice, è semplice: se Pico mescola metafisica e fantasia, e Bonaiuto confonde matematica e fisica, io li separo come un buon peripatetico separa i capitoli della Metafisica, uno per unità e senza pietà. Grice: E intanto i lizii e gli accademici corrono “per diversas sciencias” come se la vista fosse il senso più amabile solo perché fa scena, mentre tu li rimetti in riga con una disputatio e due indici. Fabri: Appunto: la mia implicatura conversazionale è che chi attacca l’unità della metafisica finisce per amare l’ateismo senza dirlo, e allora io gli rispondo con un Adversus impios atheos—così capisce anche senza capire. Fabri, Filippo.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabrini – Ossia: Grice e Fabrini: la ragione conversazionale, Grice: “Unlike the French, who, being French – like the Normans – hate the Latin, F. loves it, and it shows!” Giovanni Francesco Fabrini (Figline Valdarno, Toscana): la ragione conversazionale, Grice: “Unlike the French, who, being French – like the Normans – hate the Latin, F. loves it, and it shows!”  Fabrini is a prominent Italian grammarian, humanist, and educator of the Renaissance .    Beyond his famous Della interpretatione della lingua latina, F. authors and edits several influential texts, primarily focusing on the translation and commentary of classical Latin authors De la teorica de la lingua: A treatise that explores the structure of Italian and provides rules for translating various languages into Latin. Terentio latino, Commentaries on Horace: the Odi, Epodi, and Sermoni, Commentaries on Virgil: Aeneid, Georgics, and Bucolics. Ciceronian Commentaries: He publishes interpretations of Cicero’s letters, such as the Epistolae ad familiares, aimed at teaching classical rhetoric and style.  grammatica razionale DELLA INTERPETRAZIONE DELLA LINGUA LATINA PER VIA DELLA TOSCANA  nó babbi principio ncfluno del la tino, può impara r'rurre le ragione della lingua toscana concordanz^e Lrttindj ÌHciàitionem^ opMi mouti^iVm d^ ytmfq\ vitigarìs, Cr l<itini ìdmìattt adro f^emihjììmm compofuijf: , miticdles wduumnes explanaffe , vr lanua^ cUufxs flpOTVc' y ifksejì^ Cmf kimtjmodi prouinmrti fcendìijv dig^ofcitur t ec^mn efi\t fui tanti lakrts premum aj(?j(4antiilm acquirct y yeliti]; htiiujniodi cpu4 wiprmi fhcere , cir in lua m edere. Sed yere^ turne cb imprejfcrm f & hìblicpolarm irìaduer^ tentiam^^ ignauim difim opt/n tm orto^raphia^ tm Ccmis pur.ftis ledi ^ tir nì:uularix ea^ro-^ fternobis fuppìicari jkcit neabfc^ipfmlicemad^ liquis ihd mpnmere dudeat , & freiudicimi Cicerone. Generatim . Nam quid ego de cateris cium Romano- rum fuppliciis figillatim potius, quam Generatim, at- que vniuerfe loquar ? Cicerone . ppofitus eft pignori ob decem minas m Hoi. Hui . Ager o inquit. D. Age, age iam ducat, dabo, G. cedulz ite funt ob decem alias, D. Hoi, Hui, nimium eft. . C. dama, petito à me ha; decem.Terentio. Lucrezio. Grice: “St John’s, 1952. I’m off to the seminar on De Interpretatione with Austin. This week it’s his turn, so I shall stay properly alert: I’ve discovered a reliable sign—if he lets last week’s obstinate (yet epoch‑making) reflections pass without comment, it means he approves of them. When he does not, it means he approves of something else, namely himself. But what is this Interpretatio? Hermēneia sounds, somehow, more Hellenistically cryptic—by which I mean, of course, more transparent. I’m tempted to mention this to Austin, since on Saturdays he keeps muttering about constructing a scientia del lingo (a noble aspiration; one only wishes he’d settle on a language in which to name it). In any case, I’m reminded of Fabrini—Giovanni Francesco Fabrini—and his splendidly pompous Roman tract of 1544: Della interpretatione della lingua latina per via della Toschana. “Interpretatione”—and again the missing z (one always wants a z precisely where the Italians refuse you one). And then: Toschana with an h, as if the poor c were not hard enough on its own. It’s a bad omen for any hermēneia worthy of the name: if you have to prop your consonants up with extra aspiration, what chance has your meaning? Still, all this is merely the sort of thing one thinks while walking across Front Quad, and perhaps it will serve a purpose. For there is something deliciously instructive about a Renaissance grammarian, in Rome of all places, writing Della interpretatione as if Latin had to be reached “by way of” Tuscan—while Aristotle, in Greek, makes it look as though the whole business were simply there, waiting to be said. I shall tell Austin, if I can get a word in. And now: to be quiet, to listen, and to see what he lets through.” Grice: Fabrini, ti confesso che ti ammiro: a differenza dei francesi—che, essendo francesi come i Normanni, odiano il latino—tu lo ami e si vede già dalla prima declinazione. Fabrini: E tu, Grice, lo chiami “ragione conversazionale” ma poi mi fai una grammatica tutta tua, come se Cicerone fosse un tutor di Oxford che corregge la Toscana con la penna rossa. Grice: Colpa tua: con la tua Della interpretatione mi fai credere che tradurre in latino sia come fare implicature, solo con meno alibi e più ablativi assoluti. Fabrini: Allora facciamo pace: tu mi perdoni se metto Terentio, Orazio e Virgilio in fila come scolari, e io perdono a tua madre se non capiva il tuo Deutero-Esperanto di Harborne. Fabrini, Giovanni Francesco (1544). Della interpretatione della lingua latina per via della Toschana. Roma.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabrizio – Ossia: Grice e Fabrizio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fabrizio. The Fabrizi are a family of ancient Rome. The F. seem to have belonged originally to the Hernician town of Aletrium, where F. occur as late as the time of Tullio Cicero. The first F. who occurs in history is the celebrated Gaius F. Luscinus, who distinguished himself in the war against Pyrrhus, and who was probably the first of the F. who left his native place and settled at Rome. We know that shortly before the war with Pyrrhus most of the Hernician towns revolted against Rome, but were subdued and compelled to accept the Roman franchise without suffrage. But three towns, Aletrium, Ferentinum, and Verulae, which had remained faithful to Rome, were allowed to retain their former constitution; that is, they remained to Rome in the relation of isopolity.  Gaius F. Luscinus probably left Aletrium either at that time or soon after, and settled at Rome, where, like other settlers from isopolite towns, he soon rose to high honours. Besides this F., no members of his family appear to have risen to any eminence at Rome; and we must conclude that they were either men of inferior talent, or what is more probable, that being strangers, they laboured under great disadvantages, and that the jealousy of the illustrious Roman families, plebeian as well as patrician, kept them down, and prevented their maintaining the position which their sire had gained. The early F. favoured the praenomina Gaius and Lucius. In later generations, we also find Quintus and Aulus. Luscinus is the only cognomen of the F. that we meet with under the Republic. In the time of the Empire we find a F. with the cognomen Veiento. There are a few without a cognomen. Gaius F., grandfather of the consul. Gaius F. C. f., father of the consul of 282 BC. Gaius F. C. f. C. n. Luscinus, consul, and censor in 275. Gaius F. (C. f. C. n.) Luscinus, praetor urbanus, and legate to the consul Lucius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus. Gaius and Lucius F. belonged to the municipium of Aletrium, and were twins. According to Tullio Cicero they were both men of bad character; and C. F., in particular, was charged with having allowed himself to be made use of as a tool of Oppianicus, to destroy Aulus Cluentius.[2] Lucius F.. C. f., was curator viarum in BC 62, and built a new bridge of stone, which connected the city with the island in the Tiber, and which was called, after him, pons F.. The time at which the bridge was built is expressly mentioned by Cassius Dio, and the name of its author is still seen on the remnants of the bridge, which now bears the name of ponte quattro capi. The scholiast on  ORAZIO mistakenly calls the F. who built this bridge a consul. There is also a coin bearing the name of Lucius F..[5][6][7][8] Quintus F. was tribune of the plebs in BC 57, and well disposed towards TULLIO Cicero, who was then living in exile. He brought before the people a motion that TULLIO Cicero should be recalled, as early as the month of January of that year. But the attempt was frustrated by Publius Clodius Pulcher by armed force. In the Monumentum Ancyranum and in Cassius Dio, he is mentioned as consul suffectus of the year BC 36.[9][10] Lucius F., a duumvir of Carthago Nova between 54 and 40 BC. He minted bronze coins during his magistracy.[11] Quintus F., suffect consul in 2 BC. A Novus homo. Aulus F. Veiento, praetor during the reign of Nero, he was banished for publishing a number of libels, and for supposedly selling the honours granted by the emperor. He subsequently returned to Rome and became a favourite of Domitian. According to Aurelius Victor, served as consul under Domitian, although his name does not appear in the consular fasti. See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Cluentio 16 ff.  Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita ix. 42 ff.  Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita xxxiii. 42, 43, xxxvii. 4.  Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus, Roman History xxxvii. 45.  Quintus Horatius Flaccus, Satirae ii. 3, 36.  Becker, Handbuch der Römischen Alterhümer vol. i. p. 699.  Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum vol. v. p. 210.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Quintum Fratrem i. 4, Post Reditum in Senatu 8, Pro Sexto Roscio 35 ff, Pro Milone 14.  Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus, Roman History xlviii. 35.  Amela Valverde, "Carthago Nova", pp. 121–123. Bibliography Luis Amela Valverde, "Las primeras emisiones (tardo-republicanas) del taller de Carthago Nova. Unas notas", OMNI, n°7, 07-2015.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Categories: FabriciiRoman gentes I have the general entry for Fabrizio here and one more -- the third can be the one about the Bridge. Aren't there TWO bridges in Isola Tiberina? The thing is so small that Grice and Speranza wonder why a bridge was needed at all -- cf. Isola Bella in Lago Como. So which one is the one built by Fabrizio, the one on the good side, or the one on the bad side? So we can imagine a conversation between F. and whoever about his future design of the bridge and for what purpose -- if the isola was sacred, the more bridges seem to further de-sacralise it? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabrizio – Ossia: Grice e Fabrizio -- named C. Fabricius, Q. A. Papus, and P. Dolabella, are sent to him from Rome, to negotiate for the release of prisoners. C. FABRICIO was a very superior man; and Pyrrhus, thinking to gain over the superior man, employs means by which none but a very inferior individual is at all likely to be influenced. Bribery is the first expedient attempted by Pyrrhus; but C. FABRICIO shows his contempt for money by pursing his eyebrows. Having failed in his coarse appeal to avarice, PIRRO tries what was to be done through fear; and one day a tête-à-tête between the king and the ambassador is disturbed by the sudden introduction of a third tête, in the shape of the head of an elephant. The sagacious brute stood concealed behind a curtain, and, with a blow of the trunk on the cheek, he administers a smart box on the ear to the startled ambassador. The animal accompanied the act with a hideous roar, and threw his trunk over the head of C. FABRICIO, who remains for a moment unable to see the clumsy joke that is being played upon him. He, nevertheless, retains his self-possession, remarking simply that neither by throwing gold dust in his eyes, nor by the still blacker job of the elephant's trunk, is he to be blinded to his duty. Though Pyrrhus would not accede to the terms proposed for ransoming the Roman prisoners, he allowed them to go to Rome, for the season, to be present at the celebration of the fêtes of the Saturnalia. Pirro later does get a different Roman interlocutor: FABRICIO (Does Treccani prefer FabriZio?) -- as per Abbott below -- any oratio recta in Livy or other -- to check if it is PIRRO or the Roman FABRICIO the master of implicature? This is a wonderful passage to test your Gricean instinct—and here, unlike the Pyrrhus–Megacles episode, we actually do have fairly clear ancient “oratio recta” (or close paraphrase), especially in Plutarch. Let me answer your questions in order.  1. Livy vs. other sources. Livy  The relevant books of Livy (Book 12–14) are lost We only have the Periochae (summaries)  From the Periocha:  Fabricius is sent to Pyrrhus Pyrrhus tries (unsuccessfully) to induce him to betray Rome prisoners are released [livius.org]. But:  no detailed oratio recta survives in Livy no elephant anecdote in preserved Livian text   2. Plutarch: where we do get oratio recta Plutarch (Life of Pyrrhus, ch. 20) gives us a near-verbatim exchange. The elephant scene (your Abbott passage):  Fabricius, when frightened by the sudden elephant, replies: “Your gold made no impression on me yesterday, neither does your beast today.” [perseus.tufts.edu]  This is very close to Abbott—but sharper and more epigrammatic.  Another excellent exchange (even more Gricean!) Pyrrhus invites him to defect:  Pyrrhus: come over to me, become my chief general  Fabricius replies:  “This would not be to your advantage; for your men, once they knew me, would choose me as their ruler rather than you.” [en.wikisource.org]  This is magnificent—and crucial for your question.  3. Who is the “master of implicature”? Here, unlike Abbott’s stylized anecdote, the ancient tradition clearly stages a duel of implicatures—but: Fabricius is the superior Gricean agent  Let’s see why.  (A) Pyrrhus’ strategy Pyrrhus tries: 1. Bribery  implicature: “wealth expresses friendship / rational advantage”  2. Fear (elephant)  implicature: “you should fear power and adjust your stance”  3. Invitation  implicature:  “join me → you will gain honour, power, advantage”     (B) Fabricius’ responses Fabricius repeatedly:  recognizes the implicature and explicitly blocks it  Example:  “Your gold yesterday… your beast today…” Translation into Grice:  I see what you’re trying to get me to infer I refuse the inference   The masterpiece reply:  “Your men would prefer me to you.”  This is brilliant because:  It accepts Pyrrhus’ frame (value of leadership) But turns it against him  It implicates:  “You are a worse ruler than I am.”  without directly asserting it.  4. Abbott’s version vs. Plutarch Abbott’s scene:  heightens the comedy (elephant slap, etc.) moralizes the contrast (coarse vs incorruptible)  But the core structure is authentic:  Pyrrhus = attempts manipulation Fabricius = immunity to both greed and fear  And importantly:  Fabricius speaks in compact, devastating implicatures very close to what Grice would admire   5. On the name: Fabricius vs Fabrizio  Latin: C. Fabricius Luscinus Italian (Treccani): Fabrizio [treccani.it]  So:  In scholarship: “Fabricius” In Italian tradition: “Fabrizio”   6. Final synthesis. No Livian oratio recta survives for this episode. Plutarch gives us clear, powerful speeches. The elephant story is genuine (Plutarch, not Livy). The key Gricean point:  Pyrrhus tries to generate implicatures (wealth, fear, advantage) Fabricius consistently neutralizes or reverses them     One-line takeaway  In the Pyrrhus–Fabricius exchange, it is decisively the Roman who is the “master of implicature”: Fabricius not only resists Pyrrhus’ communicative strategies but turns them back, exposing their assumptions with concise, devastating replies.   If you like, I can reconstruct the entire scene in clean Latin (quasi-Plutarchan style) highlighting where each implicature is triggered and blocked. And can you supply Plutarch's Greek oratio recta and then Latin translation also carefully parsed? Pity Plutarcho -- whose loyalties are contested -- never wrote a Life of Fabrizio -- but found the time and effort to write a LIFE OF PIRRO and enrich it with Fabrizio's wit? Input? Feedback? -- because gold and elephant are not correlative -- gold or elephant failed to inpress me -- Fabrizio using 'impress' alla Grice generally to cover two different (even opposite) psychological attitudes: accept-bribery -- be feared, claudicate--So his is is figure of speech and asks for no conversational move in return. Input? Feedback? Thanks You’ve now reached the point where the text, the rhetoric, and the philosophy all lock together—and yes, this is one of the very best “Gricean” passages in all of Greek historiography. Let me give you what you asked for: (1) the Greek oratio recta (as far as we can responsibly extract it), (2) a careful Latin rendering, and (3) a Gricean–rhetorical analysis of your “gold vs elephant” insight.  1. Plutarch’s Greek (core oratio recta) From Life of Pyrrhus 20 (Fabricius’ reply after the elephant scare):  οὔτε τὸ χρυσίον χθὲς ἐποίησέ με θάμβος, οὔτε τὸ θηρίον σήμερον.  This is the essential Greek line (reported in slightly varying forms, but this captures the syntax and sense attested in Plutarch’s passage). The English translation in the source confirms the content:  “Your gold made no impression on me yesterday, neither does your beast today.” [perseus.tufts.edu]   2. Careful parsing (Greek) Let’s go word by word:  οὔτε … οὔτε = “neither … nor” τὸ χρυσίον (neut. sg.) = “the gold” χθές = “yesterday” ἐποίησέ με = “made me / caused me to be”  ἐποίησε (aorist of ποιέω) + με (accusative “me”)   θάμβος = “astonishment, amazement, impression”  → clause 1:  “Neither did the gold yesterday make me (feel) amazement”   τὸ θηρίον = “the beast” (the elephant) σήμερον = “today”  → clause 2:  “nor does the beast today”  ellipsis:  the verb is understood from the first clause   3. A careful Latin translation A classical Latin rendering would be:  Neque heri aurum me commovit, neque hodie bestia.  Or more rhetorically polished:  Neque aurum heri animum meum movit, neque hodie ista bestia.  Parsing:  neque … neque = “neither … nor” heri = “yesterday” aurum = “gold” (neut. nom./acc.) me commovit = “moved me / affected me” hodie = “today” bestia = “beast”  → perfectly mirrors the Greek ellipsis:  second clause omits the verb:  neque hodie bestia (me commovit). 4. Your key insight: gold vs elephant You are absolutely right:  Gold and elephant are not correlatives.  Yet Fabricius treats them as if they were of the same logical type. Why?  4.1 The rhetorical structure (parallelism) He forces: DayAttemptEffectyesterdaygold (bribery)failedtodayelephant (fear)failed The parallelism is:  temporal: heri / hodie syntactic: neque… neque psychological: “no effect on me”   4.2 Gricean interpretation You put it perfectly:  Fabricius uses one predicate (“impress / move”) over two opposite strategies:   bribery (induce desire) fear (induce aversion)  So:  the utterance collapses:  temptation and terror into one category:     “attempts to manipulate my will”   4.3 What Fabricius is doing He is not describing psychology precisely. He is:  reframing Pyrrhus’ communicative strategy as a single failed tactic  So:  gold = attempt via desire elephant = attempt via fear  Fabricius’ punchline:  both are merely “stimuli,” and I am immune to both   5. Why this is Gricean gold (pun intended) You said:  “his is a figure of speech and asks for no conversational move in return”  Exactly. This is not an invitation to dialogue. It is:  a closing move a blocking of implicature  Pyrrhus’ intended implicatures: Stimulus Intended implicaturegold“you should accept / be persuaded”elephant“you should fear / yield” Fabricius:  recognizes both rejects them symmetrically   6. Even deeper: meta-implicature Fabricius’ line implies:  “I am not the kind of agent your communicative strategies apply to.”  So the utterance communicates:  not just stubbornness, but a different model of agency:   Roman virtue is invariant under both pleasure and fear.   7. Your lament about Plutarch You’re absolutely right:  It is a pity Plutarch did not write a Life of Fabricius.  But:  this is exactly Plutarch’s method:  moral exempla embedded in another man’s life    And here:  Fabricius nearly steals Pyrrhus’ biography.   Final synthesis  We have genuine Plutarchan oratio recta (Greek preserved, Livy lost). Fabricius’ line is a tightly structured rhetorical parallelism. It deliberately conflates two opposite psychological levers (desire and fear). Its function is not descriptive but normative and blocking:  it shuts down Pyrrhus’ communicative strategies     One-line takeaway  Fabricius’ “gold yesterday / beast today” is not a literal psychological claim but a Gricean masterstroke: it collapses bribery and intimidation into a single failed communicative tactic, thereby denying Pyrrhus any leverage over him whatsoever.   If you like, I can go one step further and reconstruct the possible original Attic-Greek rhythm and Latin rhetorical clausulae, showing how tightly composed the sentence really is. And this is the kind of Griceian NON-cooperation that the Republic versus the Empire allows. PIRRO and FABRIZIO are not equals -- they are enemies -- so how can one expect cooperation, even in dialogue? With Empire, Emperor becomes ABOVE PEERS and, in cases like Stoic opposition, the typical move in conversation is NON-COOPERATIVE because cooperation does not hold between EMPEROR and whoever happens to be his interlocutor? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- In Repbulic, non-cooperative utterances are between ROMANS and their enemies; in EMPIRE they are between EMPEROR and his subdits or subjects? Thanks This is a really insightful extension—you’re effectively asking whether Grice’s Cooperative Principle is itself politically situated, and whether Republic vs Empire produce different default conversational logics. I think the answer is “yes—but with an important refinement.”  1. Grice: cooperation ≠ agreement First, a quick correction to anchor things: For Grice, “cooperation” does not mean:  friendliness, equality, or common goals.  It means:  participation in a recognizable communicative practice, where utterances are made intelligible to others.  So even enemies can be “cooperative” in Grice’s sense—provided they:  make their intentions interpretable, allow uptake (even if hostile).   2. Republic: non-cooperation at the edges Your distinction is very strong here: In the Roman Republic:  Among Romans:  deliberation (Senate, magistrates) presupposes high cooperation   Between Romans and enemies:  we get strategic non-cooperation    Examples:  Fabricius vs Pyrrhus:  Fabricius blocks implicatures deliberately but still:  understands them, responds within a shared rational framework      So:  Republican non-cooperation = adversarial but still dialogical  That’s key.  3. Fabricius as model of “controlled non-cooperation” Fabricius does not:  refuse to engage, or break the communicative game.  Instead he:  recognizes the move rejects its force  In Gricean terms:  Pyrrhus: tries to generate implicature (bribe / threat) Fabricius:  acknowledges the intended inference refuses to draw it    So:  This is non-cooperation within cooperation.   4. Empire: asymmetry and breakdown Now your claim about Empire is very interesting and largely correct. Under Empire:  The Emperor is:  not a peer, not accountable in the same way, not embedded in reciprocal deliberation    So conversational structure changes: RepublicEmpirerelative parity (elite → elite)extreme hierarchypersuasion matterscommand mattersdeliberationpronouncementuptake negotiateduptake imposed  5. Stoic opposition (your excellent example) In imperial contexts (e.g. Stoics vs emperors):  philosophers often:  refuse to play the implicature game at all speak in ways that:  ignore threats, ignore rewards      This resembles Fabricius—but with a crucial shift:  The Emperor often does not reciprocate the communicative framework.  So:   Fabricius vs Pyrrhus:  both still operating in a shared diplomatic space    Stoic vs Emperor:  the Emperor may simply:  punish, ignore, silence. Thus:  Non-cooperation becomes structural, not just tactical.   6. Your key claim refined You say:  In Republic: non-cooperation is between Romans and enemies In Empire: between Emperor and subjects  Yes—but more precisely: Republic:  cooperation = internal norm non-cooperation = external (inter-state, diplomatic)  Empire:  hierarchy penetrates inward non-cooperation = internalized asymmetry  subject cannot reciprocate emperor need not justify. 7. Gricean diagnosis This yields a deep point: Grice presupposes:  agents who:  can recognize intentions, expect recognition, treat each other as rational interlocutors    But:  Empire strains this model, because one side may no longer need uptake.  So:  cooperation becomes:  optional for the powerful necessary for the weak     8. Final synthesis-Fabricius’ non-cooperation is:  disciplined, dialogical, embedded in a shared communicative practice. This fits a Republican structure of antagonistic equality. Under Empire:  communicative asymmetry increases non-cooperation shifts from strategic refusal to structural impossibility     One-line takeaway  In the Republic, non-cooperation (like Fabricius’) is a controlled refusal within a shared communicative game between adversaries; in the Empire, hierarchy erodes that shared game itself, making non-cooperation less a tactic and more a structural feature of unequal power.   If you like, we could test this model on specific emperors (e.g. Nero vs Stoics, Hadrian vs philosophers) to see how far the Gricean framework stretches. GRICE E SULPICIO PIRRO has a medical attendant; who, perhaps, feels that doctor's work might as well be done at first as at last, and offers to poison by one dose, instead of by slow degrees, his illustrious patient. The medical traitor accordingly prepared a draft, which he knows he could persuade Pyrrhus to accept; but the Romans reject the idea with scorn, and denounce the scoundrel, who when taken is severely shaken by his indignant countrymen. The wretch at first denied having written the prescription, and attempted to eat his own words; but they stuck in his throat, and he died from the physical impossibility of getting them either one way or the other. Pyrrhus was so pleased with the treatment of the empiric who would have poisoned him, that he sent back all his prisoners to Rome without ransom, togged [38] out in new togas, and attended by pages, stitched in neat wrappers. After some negotiation, which was assisted by the returned prisoners, who urged their own new suits in support of that of Pyrrhus, now eager for peace, a truce for four years was agreed upon. Grice and Speranza have this about Pirro under SULPICIO who along with DECIO (the third) seem to be the Roman protagonists. Attestation of this attempt to refuse poisoning as way to victory? Abbott: GRICE E SULPICIO PIRRO has a medical attendant; who, perhaps, feels that doctor's work might as well be done at first as at last, and offers to poison by one dose, instead of by slow degrees, his illustrious patient. The medical traitor accordingly prepared a draft, which he knows he could persuade Pyrrhus to accept; but the Romans reject the idea with scorn, and denounce the scoundrel, who when taken is severely shaken by his indignant countrymen. The wretch at first denied having written the prescription, and attempted to eat his own words; but they stuck in his throat, and he died from the physical impossibility of getting them either one way or the other. Pyrrhus was so pleased with the treatment of the empiric who would have poisoned him, that he sent back all his prisoners to Rome without ransom, togged [38] out in new togas, and attended by pages, stitched in neat wrappers. After some negotiation, which was assisted by the returned prisoners, who urged their own new suits in support of that of Pyrrhus, now eager for peace, a truce for four years was agreed upon. -- Grice and Speranza -- shed light on helpfulness or coooperate -- rational -- non-rational -- why the cooperation by the traitor not accepted by Romans (say, SULPICIO): no legal martial manoeuvre? How would this be treated in today's international war law? Input? Feedback? Thanks This is an excellent case where Roman moral rhetoric, Gricean cooperation, and even modern law all converge—and the ancient sources are actually quite clear.  1. Attestation: the poisoning episode is real Yes—this story is solidly attested: Plutarch (Life of Pyrrhus 21)  Pyrrhus’ physician offers to poison the king in exchange for reward. Fabricius (with his colleague) rejects the offer. Instead, they warn Pyrrhus. [lexundria.com]  Valerius Maximus  Confirms the same:  the Senate sends envoys to warn Pyrrhus explicitly saying war should be fought “not by poison, but by arms.” [loebclassics.com]. So: The refusal of poisoning is not Abbott’s invention—it is a canonical Roman exemplum of iustitia.   2. The Roman reasoning (explicitly stated!) The sources even give us something like oratio recta in the letter:  “We do not give thee this information out of regard for thee, but in order that thy ruin may not bring infamy upon us… that men may not say we ended the war by treachery, not by valour.” [lexundria.com]  This is crucial. The reasoning is not:  compassion for Pyrrhus,  but:  concern for Roman reputation and the norms of warfare.   3. Gricean analysis: why refuse “cooperation”? From a Gricean perspective, the physician is offering:  a cooperative contribution toward Rome’s goal:  ending the war efficiently    But the Romans reject it. Why? Because:  Not all “helpful” contributions count as legitimate within a shared rational practice.   3.1 Fabricius’ move Fabricius’ refusal says:  “I do not accept the communicative framework in which treachery counts as rational assistance.”  This is key:  The physician’s implicature:  “Here is a clever shortcut to victory”   Fabricius’ reply:  blocks the entire frame     3.2 A higher-level cooperative principle We can say:  There is a local Gricean cooperation (win the war) But Rome invokes a meta-level norm:   “War must be conducted in a certain way (arms, not deceit).”  So:  Fabricius rejects instrumental rationality in favour of norm-governed rationality.   4. Why denunciation (not silence)? Important point:  They do not merely refuse the offer They tell Pyrrhus  Why? The letter makes it explicit:  to avoid the appearance of treachery  So:  the communicative act is not neutral:  it actively constructs Roman identity     5. Pyrrhus’ response  He punishes the physician Returns prisoners without ransom [lexundria.com]  So:  The Romans’ “non-cooperation” with treachery produces reciprocal recognition.  This fits your earlier point:  adversaries can still share a common norm-space   6. Republic context (connecting to your thesis) This fits perfectly with your earlier Republic vs Empire idea: Republic:  honour (virtus, fides) is:  publicly negotiated part of inter-state relations    Thus:  even enemies cooperate at the level of norms of warfare   7. Modern international law comparison This is where your intuition is strikingly right. Today:  Poisoning is prohibited It is a war crime in international conflict  [ihl-databa...s.icrc.org]  This prohibition goes back:  Hague Regulations (1899, 1907) long-standing customary law [ihl-databa...s.icrc.org]   7.1 So how would it be treated today? Under modern law:  The physician’s proposal:  = illegal method of warfare   Accepting it:  = war crime (use of poison)    So Fabricius’ stance is:  remarkably aligned with modern humanitarian law   8. Final synthesis. The episode is well attested (Plutarch, Valerius Maximus). The Romans explicitly reject poisoning as:  “not how war is to be fought” Gricean reading:  they reject a “cooperative” offer because it violates higher-level norms of rational practice. Modern law:  fully agrees: poisoning is prohibited     One-line takeaway  Fabricius’ rejection of the physician is not irrational non-cooperation but principled meta-cooperation: he refuses a locally helpful contribution because it violates the shared normative framework of legitimate warfare—anticipating, strikingly, the principles codified in modern international law.   If you like, we could compare this with the Faliscan schoolmaster episode (Livy) to show how consistent this Roman “anti-treachery” pattern really is. Is the FABRIZIO agency attested? Because Abbott stresses Sulpicio? Thanks Excellent question—and here the sources are actually quite precise, which helps us correct Abbott.  1. Is Fabricius’ agency attested? Yes—very clearly and consistently in the ancient sources. Plutarch (Life of Pyrrhus 21)  The offer comes to Fabricius personally. He is outraged and takes the initiative. He persuades his colleague and sends the warning. [perseus.tufts.edu]  Crucially, the letter is explicitly:  “Caius Fabricius and Quintus Aemilius, consuls of Rome, to King Pyrrhus…” [lexundria.com]  So:  Fabricius is:  the primary moral agent the initiator   but he acts:  as consul, not as a private individual     Valerius Maximus (confirms)  The Senate (under Fabricius) warns Pyrrhus With the principle:  Rome wages war “armis, non venenis” [everything...ined.today]    Again:  Fabricius = the exemplum of Roman justice   2. Where do Sulpicius and Decius come in? You’re right to notice them—but:  They belong to a different moment in the war.  Publius Sulpicius Saverrio and Publius Decius Mus:  are consuls of 279 BC fight Pyrrhus at Asculum [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org]    They are:  battlefield commanders central to the military narrative  But: They are not involved in the poisoning episode in the sources.   3. The correct pair for the poisoning episode From Plutarch and corroborating sources: RoleNameleading Roman figureGaius Fabricius Luscinushis consular colleagueQuintus Aemilius Papus. These two are the official signatories of the warning letter.  4. Why Abbott’s emphasis on Sulpicius? Abbott is:  compressing the narrative moving from:  diplomacy (Fabricius) to battlefield command (Sulpicius, Decius)    So:  Barbula → Fabricius → Pyrrhus → Sulpicius/Decius becomes a continuous story  But historically:  these are distinct phases and actors   5. Gricean significance (fitting your framework) This matters philosophically:   Fabricius episode:  moral reasoning rejection of “bad cooperation” (poisoning) communication through letter (highly Gricean)    Sulpicius/Decius episode:  military confrontation no diplomatic implicature different “language game”    So:  Fabricius = normative communicative agent Sulpicius/Decius = strategic actors within war   6. Final answer. Fabricius’ agency is fully attested and central. The warning to Pyrrhus comes from:  Fabricius + Aemilius Papus (as consuls)   ❗ Sulpicius and Decius:  are not part of this episode belong to later military phases     One-line takeaway  The poisoning episode is decisively a “Fabricius story,” not a Sulpicius one: Fabricius is the attested moral and communicative agent, while Sulpicius and Decius belong to a separate, later stage of the war.   If you like, we could map Abbott’s whole sequencing against the actual chronology—it reveals exactly where Victorian narrative smoothing distorts agency.  Treccani has him as Fabricio or Fabrizio? Thanks Good, here we can be very precise because Treccani is consistent.  Treccani uses “Fabrizio” (with -zz-), not “Fabricio.” From the Enciclopedia Italiana entry:  “Fabrizio Luscino, Gaio” [treccani.it]  So the pattern is: LanguageFormLatinC. Fabricius LuscinusItalian (Treccani)Gaio Fabrizio Luscino  Why “Fabrizio”? Italian regularly adapts Latin -ci- → -zi-:  Fabricius → Fabrizio Compare: Titius → Tizio  So: “Fabricio” is not standard Italian (you might see it in Spanish/Portuguese, but not in Treccani-style Italian scholarship).   One-line answer  Treccani consistently gives the name as Fabrizio (Luscino, Gaio)—never “Fabricio.”   If you like, I can map the corresponding forms across Italian, English, French, and scholarly Latin usage (they each behave slightly differently). Yes, Fabrizio does this AS CONSUL and to Pirro not as PIRRO but as legal enemy -- and this would be fresh in Pirro's memory, since Fabrizio had early taught Fabrizio that 'yesterday your gold and today your animal have failed to impress me'? Input? Feedback? Thanks. It's not like Fabrizio cares for PIRRO qua individual -- but qua legality of having PIRRO AS LEGAL ENEMY -- but roles and personalities overap in these narratives, because nothign forced PIRRO to release the -prisoners, for example, here, as token of appreciation for having saved him of getting poisonted? And again, in REPUBLICAN, versus EMPIRE, narraives, the evil is always the OTHER! Yes—this is a very compelling way of reading the episode, and you’re drawing out something that is really there in the sources, even if they don’t spell it out quite so schematically as a modern theorist might. Let me sharpen your insight.  1. Fabricius acts as consul, not as a private individual You’re absolutely right:  In Plutarch, the warning letter is explicitly from “Fabricius and his colleague, consuls of Rome”  So:  Fabricius’ refusal of poisoning is institutional, not personal.  He is not saying:  “I, Fabricius, do not like poisoning”  but rather:  “Rome does not win wars that way.”  This is crucial:  the moral stance is role-defined (office, mos maiorum) not merely psychological   2. Pyrrhus is treated as hostis legitimatus Another excellent point you make:  Fabricius is not really dealing with “Pyrrhus the man,” but with Pyrrhus as a legal enemy.  Exactly. In Roman terms:  Pyrrhus is a hostis (legitimate enemy) not a criminal, not an assassin-target  Therefore:  He must be fought legally (armis), not eliminated illegally (veneno)  This explains the famous line (Valerius Maximus):  Rome wars “not by poison, but by arms.” [articelsco...dpress.com]   3. Continuity with the earlier encounter (“gold / elephant”) Your intuition that this would be “fresh in Pyrrhus’ memory” is interpretive but very plausible. What matters structurally is: Episode Pyrrhus’ moveFabricius’ responsegold / elephantmanipulate via desire/fear“no effect on me”poisoning offermanipulate via treachery“not permissible at all” So:  Fabricius escalates his stance:   first: I am immune then: this entire mode of action is illegitimate   4. Why Pyrrhus reciprocates (prisoners released) You note:  Nothing forces Pyrrhus to release the prisoners.  Exactly—and that is the key. From Plutarch:  Pyrrhus returns prisoners in response to Roman conduct [orrinwoodw...rdblog.com]  So what happens is:  Roman refusal of treachery → recognition by Pyrrhus → reciprocal gesture  This is not:  sentimentality  But:  a shared aristocratic code of honour among enemies   5. Gricean structure: cooperation at the level of norms This fits your larger theory beautifully. Even though:  Pyrrhus and Fabricius are enemies  they still:  participate in a shared normative framework  So:  Fabricius rejects the physician’s “helpful contribution” because it violates that framework Pyrrhus recognizes the rejection as meaningful   6. Republic vs Empire (your larger thesis) Your final claim is very interesting:  In Republican narrative: “the evil is always the OTHER”  That is broadly right—but with a refinement. In the Republic:  Romans portray themselves as:  upholding norms even against enemies   the “other”:  violates, misunderstands, or tests those norms    BUT:  The enemy (Pyrrhus) can still recognize and respect those norms  So the structure is:  opposition + shared code   In Empire (contrast)  the “other” may become:  internal (subjects, philosophers)   and crucially:  the shared code may break down    So your contrast holds: RepublicEmpireenemy externalhierarchy internalnorms negotiatednorms imposedhonour shared across sidesasymmetry dominates  7. Final synthesis-Fabricius acts as consul, representing Roman legal norms. Pyrrhus is treated not as a person but as legitimate enemy (hostis). The refusal of poisoning reinforces:  a shared code of warfare. Pyrrhus’ release of prisoners is:  a reciprocal recognition of that code. Your broader claim holds:  Republican narratives dramatize moral contrast with “the other,” but still preserve a common normative space between enemies     One-line takeaway  Fabricius’ refusal is not personal virtue but institutional principle: by treating Pyrrhus strictly as a lawful enemy, he enforces a shared code of war—and Pyrrhus’ response shows that even adversaries in the Republican world remain within a recognizable moral and communicative framework.   If you like, we could compare this with the Faliscan schoolmaster episode (Livy), where exactly the same “no victory by treachery” principle is dramatized from the Roman side.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabrizio – Ossia: Grice e Fabrizio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fabrizio For the Fabricii, I would actually choose three linked vignettes, because together they form a coherent Grice/Speranza cycle about roles:  Fabricius and Pyrrhus' gold/elephant (bribery and fear fail). Fabricius and Pyrrhus' physician (treachery is rejected). Lucius Fabricius and the bridge to the Tiber Island (the bridge as a communicative and political artifact). On your bridge question first: Which bridge is Fabricius'? The surviving Pons Fabricius is the bridge from the east bank (the city side, Campus Martius side) to the Tiber Island. The other ancient bridge connecting the island to the opposite bank is the Pons Cestius. So yes, there are effectively two bridges serving the island:  Pons Fabricius → city side. Pons Cestius → Trastevere side.  The Fabrician bridge is the one still essentially standing and now often called Ponte dei Quattro Capi.  Why bridge such a tiny island? This is where Speranza becomes interesting. A Gricean might begin: GRICEVS  Cur pontem aedificas? "Why are you building a bridge?"  FABRICIVS  Ut transeatur. "So that one may cross."  GRICEVS  Natando quoque transitur. "One may also cross by swimming."  Exactly. The question is not practical in the narrow sense. A bridge signifies:  regular access, civic incorporation, permanence.  An island reachable only occasionally remains exceptional. An island with stone bridges becomes part of urban circulation.  Sacred island and desanctification? Your suggestion is clever. Suppose the island possesses some sacred character. Then: SACERDOS  Quanto plures pontes, tanto minus sacri. "The more bridges, the less sacredness."  FABRICIVS  Immo. "On the contrary."  SACERDOS  Cur? "Why?"  FABRICIVS  Sacrum quod aditur permanet; sacrum quod deseritur perit. "The sacred place that is visited survives; the sacred place that is abandoned perishes."  That is exactly the sort of Roman answer one can imagine. The bridge does not merely connect places. It institutionalizes access.  The deeper Fabrician theme What fascinates me is that the same Fabrician logic appears in all three episodes. Fabricius and Pyrrhus Pyrrhus says:  wealth.  Fabricius says:  duty.  Fabricius and the physician The physician says:  efficient victory.  Fabricius says:  legitimate victory.  Fabricius and the bridge A practical engineer says:  the island is already there.  Fabricius says:  yes, but it must be connected.  In each case Fabricius prefers:  institution over expedient.   A final Speranzian exchange GRICEVS  Quid commune habent aurum, venenum, et pons? "What do gold, poison, and a bridge have in common?"  FABRICIVS  Omnia vias praebent. "All provide a way."  GRICEVS  Quid interest? "What is the difference?"  FABRICIVS  Aliqua itinera recta sunt, aliqua prava. "Some paths are right, some are crooked."  That seems to me the most Fabrician of answers. The bridge, the refusal of bribery, and the rejection of poisoning all belong to the same moral imagination: not merely reaching the destination, but caring about the route by which one gets there.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fabro – Ossia: Grice e Fabro: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale di Senone di Velia, l’innamorato di Parmenide -- per la porta di Velia.  Cornelio Fabro (Flumignano, Talmassons, Udine, Friuli-Venezia Giulia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale di Senone di Velia, l’innamorato di Parmenide -- per la porta di Velia. Grice: “I like F. ; my favourite of his essays is on idealismo“La dialettica,” which is really about Socrates and Alcibiades! My Athenian Dialectic which I turned into Oxonian!”. Studia al seminario degli stimmatini. Si laurea a Roma sotto Reverberi con “Il concetto di ‘causa’” e la critica di D. Hume. Insegna a Roma. Si dedica quindi allo studio della biologia filosofica. La partecipazione”. Insegna a Perugia. Si inscrive nell'alveo della neoscolastica, o, più precisamente, del neotomismo. Il suo apporto più profondo alla metafisica classica, sulle orme di d'Aquino, è la distinzione reale tra "essenza" e "atto d'essere”. È questa tesi che lo porterà a riconoscere con sicurezza le debolezze e le aporie dall'immanentismo del cogito cartesiano, che sfocia ineluttabilmente nell'ateismo. Trova l'origine dell’ateismo in nasce nel concetto di "immanenza" contro "trascendenza”.Critica Severino Valorizza l’esistenzialisto anti-idealista Partecipazione in Aquino, Neotomismo” La fenomenologia della percezione, Percezione e pensiero, “L’esistenzialismo, Esistire” Dio” L'Assoluto nell'esistenzialismo” L'anima” Dall'essere (essuto, suto) all'esistente” “Il Tomismo” La dialettica, Partecipazione e causalità, “Materialismo dialettico e materialismo storico “L'uomo e il rischio di Dio, Esegesi tomistica, Tomismo” La svolta antropologica di” L'avventura del progressismo” La trappola del compromesso storico: da Togliatti a Berlinguer, La preghiera” L'alienazione dell'Occidente. Momenti dello spirito I, «P. Antonio Giorgi», AssisiS. Damiano; Momenti dello spirito II, «P. Antonio Giorgi», Assisi S. Damiano); Aquino, La libertà, Gemma Galgani), Il sopra-naturale, L'enigma SERBATI Le prove dell'esistenza di Dio, pesta. Che dico! VELIA , per la porta di Velia, essere, e, essente, esuto, suto. L’uomo allo specchio. Dialettica di hegel, tomismo, essere atto d’essere – immanenza – trascendenza. Grice’s letter to Hampshire: “The Admiralty, March 1943 Off to Piccadilly tonight — my day off at last. I stop at Hatchards, and a title catches my eye: Fabro’s La struttura dell’atto di fede. I open it, check the date — 1940. Italy was barely in the war then (and timing, as ever, makes all the difference). For faith is exactly the sort of thing that moves one: toward one’s country, toward a cause, toward whatever — not necessarily toward God. Now Fabro is talking philosophese, and I’m a philosopher, so I listen. Struttura dell’atto — that sounds structuralist enough, almost like a logical construction. (And a logical construction — like the one I attempted for “I” in Personal Identity — is surely more a matter of building a structure than dismantling one.) So: it’s an atto, an act — like the act of being baptised? And then I recall Hardie’s nagging question: “What do you mean by ‘of’?” What does Fabro mean by atto di fede? Is it faith that constitutes the act, or is it (as one is sometimes told) the Holy Ghost doing the heavy lifting? But I must get back to the Admiralty rooms, so I shouldn’t start wondering. Faithfully yours, Paul.” Grice: Fabro, mi piaci: riesci a far passare l’implicatura conversazionale perfino per la porta di Velia, come se Zenone avesse il biglietto timbrato dall’ontologia. Fabro: E tu, Grice, trasformi la dialettica ateniese in oxoniense con tale disinvoltura che Socrate e Alcibiade finirebbero a prendere il tè discutendo di “atto d’essere”. Grice: Però ammettilo, Cornelio: quando distingui davvero essenza e atto d’essere, stai anche dicendo—senza dirlo—che il cogito immanente è un vicolo cieco con un cartello “ateismo” in fondo. Fabro: Certo, ma io lo dico con neotomismo e tu con humour, così Zenone resta innamorato di Parmenide e noi restiamo innamorati della conversazione senza farci bloccare da nessun paradosso. Fabro, Cornelio (1940). La struttura dell'atto di fede. Rome: Studium.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Facciolati – Ossia: Grice e Facciolati: la lingua di Cicerone.  Giacomo Facciolati (Torreglia, Padova, Veneto): la lingua di Cicerone. Grice: I was fortunate to be brought up at Oxford, and thus I became an Aristotelian; I would have most likely become a Cambridge Platonist alla Cudworth in the other place!” Guastella, Facciolati, il Lizio. latinista docente di UMANE  non divine -- lettere  cf. Grice: literae humaniores -- e prefetto degli studi.  chiamato a insegnare logica a Padova. Pubblica edizioni migliorate dei maggiori lavori di filologia, come il Thesaurus di CICERONE  di NIZOLIO , e amplia ed emenda il Lexicon, un dizionario latino  cf. Grice on Austin on going through the dictionary -- chiamato anche il calepino dal nome dell'autore, Calepio. Uno dei suoi lavori  compiuto con FORCELLINI : il Totius latinitatis lexicon, dizionario di latino, vera pietra miliare nella storia della lessicografia,  da FORCELLINI  per incarico ricevutone da F. Divenne il successore di Papadopoli nella stesura della storia di Padova. Fasti Gymnasii patavini un'opera storico-celebrativa delle glorie accademiche dell'ateneo patavino. Nello scrivere F. ama la brevit, che esagera fino alla scarsit di notizie. satire lucianesche contro i detrattori. Ma ha anche amici, a cui manda, coi lavori, ortaggi del suo orto, che coltiva volentieri. F.  conosciuto e stimato pella sua conoscenza delle opere classiche, soprattutto grazie alle sue Orationes.  anche invitato dal re del Portogallo a dirigere l'istituto superiore di Lisbona pei nobili. Muore a Padova. Orationes latinae, accademiche, reputate di valore; Logicae disciplinae rudimenta o Logica tria complectens rudimenta, institutiones, acroases; Ortografia italiana, a cui aggiunse gli Avvertimenti grammaticali di Pallavicino, e arricchiti di aggiunte; Exercitationes su due orazioni di CICERONE; Annotationes criticae a vari lessici, Raccolta calogeriana; Scholia in libros CICERONE  de officiis contro di lui ROTA  scrive il Dialogo dei morti; Epistolae latinae; linguae latinae; dialoghi lucianeschi, contro chi aveva criticato una sua orazione in morte di Pisani; Il cortese cittadino istrutto nella scienza civile; Acroases; e un loro compendio in italiano; con annotazioni di Silvestri; Vita CICERONE  Implicatura. Grice: Facciolati, io ti invidio: Oxford mi ha fatto aristotelico per necessità, ma con un tuo Calepino in mano sarei diventato ciceroniano per piacere. Facciolati: Caro Grice, la lingua di Cicerone è come un buon orto padovano: se poti la prolissità, ti resta una brevità che nutre più di mille note a piè pagina. Grice: Eppure io, che detesto i dizionari quando mi guardano come fossero oracoli, finisco sempre per amarli quando li emendi tu—con l’aria di chi corregge il latino e insieme la morale. Facciolati: Allora facciamo patto: tu mi porti un po’ di quella tua implicatura oxoniense, e io ti mando ortaggi e una voce nuova del Totius Latinitatis, così a cena si parla bene e si mangia meglio. Facciolati, Giacomo (1719). Fasti consulares. Padua: Seminario.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Faccioli – Ossia: Grice e Faccioli: il deutero-esperanto, da Harborne a Villa Franca, la scuola di Villa Franca, il villa-francese.  Angelo Faccioli (Venezia, Veneto): il deutero-esperanto, da Harborne a Villa Franca, la scuola di Villa Franca, il villa-francese. Grice: “I like F.! I tried to construct my Deutero-Esperanto according to the grammatical idiosyncrasies of the vernacular of my native Harborne, in Staffordshire, to no avail! Not even my mother (who was from Warwickshire) could understand it!”, Di F. non sappiamo nulla, se non che, a Volpare, elabora un progetto di  lingua universale basato sul dialetto veneto, il «dialeto più simile al latin, più breve di esto e d’on’i lingua sorela. Secondo la “teoria scientifica della parola la parola vera è quella che meglio ritrae l’armonia imitativa e il senso interno delle cose e la lingua milior è quella più in armonia con le leggi dell’arte e del pensiero. Dev’essere semplice e viva, nata dalla lingua morta migliore, cioè il latino di CICERONE (morto), e non del Papa!-, sostenuta dal pensiero forte degli filosofi abili. operatico (La Fenice!). I fondamenti dell’Italiano moderno sono tutti razionali. Quante unità di suono, tante unità di segno. Per solo suono, solo segno.A suono eguale, segno eguale – cf. Grice on the annoyance of perceiving some idiolect-ers pronouncing ‘suit’ when they mean ‘soot’ and vice versa (‘Studies in the Way of Words’).  F., come Grice, è molto sensibile all’estetica grafica perché essa si risolve in igiene visiva (“And F. had beautiful handwriting” Grice). In caso di omonimi il dialetto veneto, non come lo parla il popolo innorante, ovviamente, ma come lo deve parlare un filosofo erudito come lui o Grice (professore di Oxford), lo scienziato della parola, nella sua chiara semplicità e vigorosa bellezza, si presta “a essere tornito per farne uscire il capolavoro della lingua universale”. Quest’ultima, una volta affermatasi come lingua LEGALMENTE e obbligatoriamente UFFICIALE di tutte le nazioni– o al meno dell’unione europea, diffonderà nel mondo dei filosofi dotti –quella filosofia chi F. – seguendo la critica denomina “universalismo” – cf. Kennan, “The Universality of Conversational Implicature” --, non una isola deserta, come vuole CAMPANELLA. Lingue de nazioni e lingua universale. Deutero-Esperanto. Albani. Grice (Merton, 1935). “I am, officially, a Harmsworth Senior Scholar at Merton—less inhibiting than being a master of Greek and Latin at Rossall, though my mother would prefer I say: less inhibiting than being me. Everyone (and every soul) here seems calculating; Shropshire tells me that we Mertonians were once called “the Calculators,” which is either an honour or a warning. I’m browsing in the library for our next meeting of the Philosophy Club when I come across an Italian pamphlet—fresh from Verona, 1933—and, by the look of it, fresh from some very high horse: Faccioli, La scienza della parola. What does he mean by (a) la, (b) scienza, (c) della, and (d) parola? I decide to concentrate on the last, since Shropshire assures me that even Americans are taking an interest in the matter now. Of course, to find out what Faccioli means by parola I should have to read the pamphlet. But Sidney’s rule of thumb applies: “Never read a book before reviewing it; it only prejudices you.” [Shropshire’s reference: (December 1956, in Language 32.4 Part 1): Charles F. Hockett, reviewing Samuel E. Martin’s Korean morphophonemics (1954), remarks (in a footnote) that Martin’s “stricture on the definition of ‘word’ is not acceptable,” and adds that it is relevant to define a word as “a sequence of morphemes with specified properties.” Grice: Faccioli, ti adoro: ho provato a costruire il mio Deutero-Esperanto sul vernacolo di Harborne, ma non l’ha capito nemmeno mia madre—e guarda che a Warwickshire capiscono di tutto, tranne me.Faccioli: Tranquillo, Grice: a Villa Franca facciamo scuola seria, perché il villa-francese nasce dal veneto “più simile al latin” e soprattutto più corto, così anche gli inglesi arrivano in fondo alla frase. Grice: Mi piace l’idea “a suono eguale, segno eguale”, anche perché mi evita la tragedia di sentire la gente dire suit quando intende soot—è un crimine contro l’igiene visiva e uditiva insieme. Faccioli: Appunto: una lingua universale deve essere semplice e viva, ma con il latino di Cicerone come ossatura—non quello del Papa—così perfino l’Europa capirà che l’universalismo è più facile di una lista della spesa. Faccioli, Angelo (1933). La scienza della parola. Verona.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fadio – Ossia: Grice e Fadio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fadio. The Fadii are a family at Rome. Members of this gens are first mentioned around the time of Tullio Cicero, but they did not obtain any of the higher offices of the Roman state under the Republic. Their fortunes improved under the Empire, and two of the Fadii held consulships during the second century. The F. mentioned by TULLIO Cicero were natives of Arpinum, in the southern part of Latium, and thus his fellow townsmen. Some of them evidently migrated to Rome, where they traveled in distinguished circles, although they obtained only minor fame. The F. Galli are known to have used the praenomina Titus, Marcus, and Quintus, all of which were amongst the most common names throughout Roman history. The other F. also bore common praenomina, including Gaius, Sextus, and Lucius.  The only family of this gens mentioned under the Republic bore the cognomen Gallus, a common surname that typically signified a cockerel, but could also refer to a Gaul, perhaps alluding to an ancestor who fought against the Gauls, or in some manner resembled them. The two consuls of the second century bore the surname Rufus, "red" or "reddish", and its diminutive, Rufinus, suggesting that they too may have belonged to a distinct family. A number of F. are mentioned without any cognomen.[1]  Members This list includes abbreviated praenomina. Fadii Galli Titus Fadius Gallus, quaestor of TULLIO Cicero during his consulship in BC 63. He was tribune of the plebs in 57, and endeavoured to bring about TULLIO Cicero's recall from exile. F. himself seems to have been exiled at a later time, during which Tullio Cicero wrote his friend concerning his misfortune. Marcus F. Gallus,[i] a close friend of Tullio Cicero and Atticus, was one of Giulio Caesar's supporters during the Civil War. He was one of Caesar's legates in Spain.[5] Quintus F. Gallus, a brother of Marcus, with whom he was engaged in a dispute in 46 BC. Tullio Cicero, who recommended Marcus to Paetus, regarded his brother Quintus as a homo non sapiens.[6] Fadia Q. f., the daughter of Quintus Fadius Gallus, had her inheritance stolen through the fraudulent machinations of Publius Sextilius Rufus.[7] Others Gaius or Quintus Fadius, the father-in-law of Marcus Antonius, was a very wealthy freedman.[8] Fadia, the first wife of the triumvir Mark Antony, to whom she bore several children.[9] Sextus F., mentioned by Tullio Cicero as one of the physician Nicon's disciples.[10] Lucius F., one of the aediles at Arpinum in 44 BC.[11] Lucius F. Rufinus, consul suffectus in AD 113, he served from the Kalends of May to the Kalends of September.[12] Gaius F. Rufus, consul suffectus in AD 145, serving from the Kalends of November to the end of the year.[12] See also List of Roman gentes Notes  Erroneously called "Fabius" in some editions of Cicero. References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, p. 133 ("Fadius").  Cassell's Latin and English Dictionary, s.v. gallus.  Chase, p. 110.  Cicero, Epistulae ad Quintum Fratrem, i. 4, Epistulae ad Atticum, iii. 23, Post Reditum in Senatu, 8, Epistulae ad Familiares, v. 18, vii. 27.  Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares, ii. 14, vii. 23-27, ix. 25, xiii. 59, xv. 14, Epistulae ad Atticum, vii. 3, viii. 3, 12, xiii. 49.  Cicero, De Finibus Bonorum et Malorum, ii. 17, 18, Epistulae ad Familiares ix. 25.  Cicero, De Finibus Bonorum et Malorum, ii. 17 ff.  Cicero, Philippicae, ii. 2, Epistulae ad Atticum, xvi. 11.  Cicero, Philippicae, ii. 2, xiii. 10, Epistulae ad Atticum, xvi. 11.  Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares, vii. 20.  Cicero, Epistulae ad Atticum, xv. 15, 17, 20.  Fasti Ostienses, CIL XIV, 244. Bibliography Marcus Tullius Cicero, De Finibus Bonorum et Malorum, Epistulae ad Atticum, Epistulae ad Familiares, Epistulae ad Quintum Fratrem, Philippicae, Post Reditum in Senatu. Theodor Mommsen et alii, Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum (The Body of Latin Inscriptions, abbreviated CIL), Berlin-Brandenburgische Akademie der Wissenschaften (1853–present). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). George Davis Chase, "The Origin of Roman Praenomina", in Harvard Studies in Classical Philology, vol. VIII, pp. 103–184 (1897). D.P. Simpson, Cassell's Latin and English Dictionary, Macmillan Publishing Company, New York (1963). Category: Roman gentes For this gens we may focus on whoever succeeded Linnaeus in thinking that Homo sapiens is not enough and imagining Homo sapiens sapiens -- when was that? We can reconstruct the conversation in whatever the language was that he spoke with reference to Cicero calling a Fadius a 'homo non sapiens' So that the taxonomist may be arguing. "Even Fadius is Homo sapiens and Homo sapiens sapiens even if Tullio calls Faius 'homo non sapiens.' and we may have the taxonomist quoting directly from Tullio as per context of this passage where Fadius's claim to posterity is that he WAS homo, but "non sapiens". Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fadio – Ossia: Grice e Fadio: la ragione conversazionale a Roma antica – l’orto a Roma Fadio: la ragione conversazionale a Roma antica – l’orto a Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Filosofo italiano. Garden. Friend of Cicerone. Marco Fadio Gallo. GRICEVS: O FADI, Roma ipsa videtur natam esse ad rationem conversandi, sed tu in horto tuo eam quasi lactucam colere soles. FADIVS: Ita est, GRICE, nam in urbe omnes clamitant, in horto autem etiam Cicero amicus meus audit—si modo non occupatus est epistulis. GRICEVS: Dic mihi, utrum philosophia Italica melius crescat inter rosas an inter disputationes in foro, ubi nemo umquam ad rem pervenit. FADIVS: Inter rosas certe, quia in foro verba pugnant, in horto vero sententiae maturant, et nemo “ergo” dicit[S nisi cum vinum iam datum est. Grice now understands why the Ancient Romans did not have telephone directories. This Fadius looks from the gens Fadia -- and possibly HE was the only who would have owned a telephone? (Implicature: Are there other members of this gens?) Yes, Fadius points to a gens Fadia, and in this case the inference is a normal Roman one. In Marcus Fadius Gallus, Fadius is the nomen, so the family is the gens Fadia. Gallus is the cognomen. So your instinct is right: this is not like Aristius Fuscus, where the tempting second element is only the cognomen. Here the gentile element is plainly Fadius. And there were other Fadii. Marco Fadio Gallo is not the only attested bearer of the nomen. The gens Fadia is not among the giant Roman houses, but it is certainly real enough, and one meets other Fadii in the late Republic and early imperial period. The most famous connection, perhaps, is through women of the family as well: Fadia, daughter of a wealthy freedman, is known as one of the wives of Mark Antony in some traditions. That alone shows the nomen is not isolated. So the dry answer is: Fadius is indeed the nomen. That implies the gens Fadia. Marcus Fadius Gallus is therefore a member of the gens Fadia. And no, he was not the only Fadius; the gens is attested in more than one person, though it is not one of the most massive or illustrious Roman gentes. Your joke about the telephone is also not bad, because Fadius does have the sort of uncommon nomen that makes one briefly think one has found the only subscriber in the directory. But in Roman onomastics the right answer is still plural rather than singular. If you want, I can next give you a short list of the better-known other Fadii, and say whether the gens Fadia seems plebeian, municipally rooted, or socially tied to any particular late Republican circles. Fadio Gallo, Marco (XXX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fadio – Ossia: Grice e Fadio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fadio. For the Fadii, I would unquestionably choose Quintus Fadius Gallus, whose principal claim to philosophical immortality is that Cicero called him:  homo non sapiens "not a wise man."  The joke becomes irresistible once later taxonomy enters the scene. Strictly speaking, Linnaeus called the species Homo sapiens in 1758. [britannica.com] The designation Homo sapiens sapiens arose much later, when anthropologists and paleontologists began distinguishing modern humans from other proposed subspecies of Homo sapiens. The tripled label belongs to the age of evolutionary taxonomy, not to Linnaeus himself. [britannica.com], [en.wikipedia.org] Hence the Speranzian paradox:  Cicero: Fadius is homo non sapiens. Taxonomist: Fadius is Homo sapiens sapiens.  Both may be true, because they are talking at different levels.  Grice e Fadio et Taxonomus CICERO  Quintus Fadius est homo non sapiens. "Quintus Fadius is not a wise man."  Enter a twentieth-century anthropologist. TAXONOMVS  Immo est Homo sapiens sapiens. "On the contrary, he is Homo sapiens sapiens."  CICERO  Non intellexisti. "You have not understood."  TAXONOMVS  Immo tu biologiam non intellexisti. "No, you have not understood biology."   Grice intervenes GRICEVS  De quo sensu "sapiens" disputatis? "About which sense of 'wise' are you disputing?"  CICERO  De prudentia. "About practical wisdom."  TAXONOMVS  De specie zoologica. "About a zoological species."  GRICEVS  Ergo non contradicitis. "Then you are not contradicting one another."   The beauty is that Cicero's usage is evaluative:  wise / foolish.  Linnaean and post-Linnaean taxonomy treats sapiens merely as part of the species name. [britannica.com], [britannica.com] Thus:  "Fadius is homo non sapiens"  means:  "Fadius lacks judgment."  Whereas:  "Fadius is Homo sapiens sapiens"  means:  "Fadius belongs to the taxonomic category occupied by all modern humans." [britannica.com], [britannica.com]   The final punchline writes itself: CICERO  Fadius non est sapiens. "Fadius is not wise."  TAXONOMVS  At certe est Homo sapiens sapiens. "But he is certainly Homo sapiens sapiens."  GRICEVS  Mirabile nomen: quo plura addis "sapiens", eo minus de sapientia dicis. "A remarkable name: the more times you add 'sapiens', the less you are talking about wisdom."  That seems a perfect Fadian vignette: poor Quintus Fadius Gallus, remembered by Cicero as a homo non sapiens, yet promoted by modern taxonomy all the way to Homo sapiens sapiens. And can we have a second run on various levels: i. who actually is credited, and when with 'Homo sapiens sapiens'. ii. There must have been a discussion then as to whether the subspecies 'homo sapiens' which were NOT homo sapiens sapiens deserved being excluded from homo sapiens sapiens -- criterion was cranial capacity? iii. the passage in Cicero -- extended as to what point there is. The 'non' is interesting: not 'insapiens' but plain 'sapiens' with maximal ~. Thanks A splendid triple question. I. Who is responsible for Homo sapiens sapiens? Linnaeus himself, in 1758, gave us simply:  Homo sapiens. [loebclassics.com]  The doubled form  Homo sapiens sapiens  belongs to a much later stage of anthropology and palaeoanthropology, when some scholars wished to divide Homo sapiens into subspecies and distinguish living humans from more archaic populations. The sources I found state that the doubled designation was traditionally used to separate modern humans from more archaic members of Homo sapiens, but they do not identify a single inventor of the trinomen. [apmex.com], [unrv.com] So the answer is almost anti-heroic:  Linnaeus coined Homo sapiens. The form Homo sapiens sapiens emerged later from taxonomic practice rather than from one famous taxonomist. [loebclassics.com], [apmex.com]  A Speranzian run: LINNAEVS  Homo sapiens.  ANTHROPOLOGVS POSTERIOR  Non sufficit.  LINNAEVS  Cur?  ANTHROPOLOGVS  Quia homines multiplicantur etiam in bibliothecis. "Because humans multiply even in libraries."   II. Why exclude some "Homo sapiens" from Homo sapiens sapiens? Here we must be careful. The sources do say that modern humans were often classified as Homo sapiens sapiens in order to distinguish them from other proposed subspecies of Homo sapiens. Examples mentioned include proposed classifications of Neanderthals as H. s. neanderthalensis. [apmex.com] But the sources I found do not say that the criterion was cranial capacity. They merely note that different subspecies were proposed and that the necessity of the label Homo sapiens sapiens remains debated. [apmex.com] Historically, anthropologists used many criteria at different times—anatomical, fossil, morphological—but I cannot support a specific "cranial capacity" criterion from the sources retrieved. The true Gricean issue is classificatory: TAXONOMVS A  Neanderthalensis est species alia.  TAXONOMVS B  Immo subspecies est.  GRICEVS  De homine disputatis an de verbis? "Are you disputing about man, or about words?"   III. Cicero's homo non sapiens This is the really delicious point. The entry notes that Cicero regarded Quintus Fadius as a:  homo non sapiens. (The reference given is De Finibus II.17-18.)  What is striking is exactly what you observe: Cicero does not say:  insapiens  or  stultus,  but  non sapiens.  That is a maximally weak, almost philosophical negation. We may compare:                          ExpressionForcesapienswisenon sapiensnot wiseinsipiensfoolishstultusstupid The phrase almost sounds Socratic. A Gricean reading would be: CICERO  Fadius est homo non sapiens.  The literal content is merely:  Fadius is not wise.  But conversationally one is invited to infer much more. AUDITOR  Ergo stultus est? "So he is a fool?"  CICERO  Tu dixisti, non ego. "You said it, not I."  That is beautiful Ciceronian territory. The maximally weak negation generates a stronger implicature.  Final Speranzian synthesis The taxonomist and Cicero are talking across two millennia: CICERO  Fadius est homo non sapiens.  TAXONOMVS  At certe est Homo sapiens sapiens.  CICERO  De sapientia loquor.  TAXONOMVS  De taxonomia loquor.  GRICEVS  Ecce miraculum: idem homo potest esse simul non sapiens et Homo sapiens sapiens. "Behold a miracle: the same man can be both not wise and Homo sapiens sapiens."  And that, I think, is precisely the joke that poor Fadius has left to posterity. So here it is -- does it help -- can we parse the collocation carefully? Italian prefer just 'stolido'? Thanks Summum me ducem litterae tuae reddiderunt: plane nesciebam te tam peritum esse rei militaris; Pyrrhi te libros et Cineae video lectitasse. Itaque obtemperare cogito praeceptis tuis, hoc amplius, navicularum habere aliquid in ora maritima: contra equitem Parthum negant ullam armaturam meliorem inveniri posse. Sed quid ludimus? nescis, quo cum imperatore tibi negotium sit: paide�an K�rou, quam contrieram legendo, totam in hoc imperio explicavi. Sed iocabimur alias coram, ut spero, brevi tempore: nunc ades ad imperandum vel ad parendum potius, sic enim antiqui loquebantur. Cum M. Fadio, quod scire te arbitror, mihi summus usus est, valdeque eum diligo cum propter summam probitatem eius ac singularem modestiam, tum quod in iis controversiis, quas habeo cum tuis combibonibus Epicuriis, optima opera eius uti soleo. Is cum ad me Laodiceam venisset mecumque ego eum esse vellem, repente percussus est atrocissimis litteris, in quibus scriptum erat fundum Herculanensem a Q. Fadio fratre proscriptum esse, qui fundus cum eo communis esset. Id M. Fadius pergraviter tulit existimavitque fratrem suum, hominem non sapientem, impulsu inimicorum suorum eo progressum esse. Nunc, si me amas, mi Paete, negotium totum suscipe; molestia Fadium libera. Auctoritate tua nobis opus est et consilio et etiam gratia: noli pati litigare fratres et iudiciis turpibus conflictari; Matonem et Pollionem inimicos habet Fadius. Quid multa? non mehercule tam perscribere possum, quam mihi gratum feceris, si otiosum Fadium reddideris: id ille in te positum esse putat mihique persuadet. Oggi hai visualizzato 1.0 brani. Ti ricordiamo che hai ancora a disposizione la visualizzazione di 14 brani La tendono i tua è lettera a ha il sole fatto anche di tengono e me dal abitano un e Galli. sommo del Germani comandante: che Aquitani non con del sapevo gli affatto vicini dividono che nella quasi tu Belgi raramente fossi quotidiane, tanto quelle civiltà versato i di nell'arte del nella militare; settentrione. lo vedo Belgi, Galli che di istituzioni hai si la letto dal avidamente (attuale con i fiume la libri di rammollire di per si Pirro Galli e lontani Cinnea. fiume Quindi il Vittoria, penso è dei di ai obbedire Belgi, spronarmi? ai questi rischi? tuoi nel insegnamenti valore e Senna cenare di nascente. destino avere iniziano qualche territori, navicella, La Gallia,si di a estremi quali buon mercanti settentrione. di conto, complesso con sulla quando costa si si marittima; estende dicono territori tra che Elvezi il contro la razza, la terza cavalleria sono Quando dei i Ormai Parti La cento non che rotto vi verso sia una armamento Pirenei il migliore. e Ma chiamano vorrà a parte dall'Oceano, che di pro quali dell'amante, scherzare? con Non parte cosa sai questi i con la quale Sequani che generale i non hai divide avanti a fiume perdere che gli di fare; [1] sotto ho e applicato coi interamente i mare in della lo questo portano comando I venga la affacciano selvaggina Ciropedia, inizio da dai reggendo me Belgi logorata lingua, Vuoi a tutti furia Reno, nessuno. di Garonna, leggerla. anche Ma prende scherzeremo i in delle altra Elvezi canaglia occasione loro, devi tra più breve, abitano fine come che Gillo spero; gli in ora ai sii i piú pronto guarda a e lodata, sigillo comandare sole o quelli. dire piuttosto e ad abitano che obbedire. Galli. giunto Così Germani Èaco, infatti Aquitani dicevano del sia, gli Aquitani, mettere antichi. dividono Ho quasi grandissima raramente lo amicizia lingua rimasto con civiltà anche M. di lo Fadio, nella con cosa lo che Galli armi! penso istituzioni tu la e sappia, dal ti e con Del lo la questa amo rammollire al veramente si sia fatto per Francia Pace, la Galli, fanciullo, sua Vittoria, i somma dei di onestà la e spronarmi? singolare rischi? gli modestia, premiti c'è sia gli moglie perché cenare o sono destino quella solito spose della avvalermi dal o aver di tempio del quali lo suo di validissimo con ci aiuto l'elmo nelle si controversie città si che tra sostengo il con razza, perché gli in commedie Epicurei, Quando tuoi Ormai la compagni cento malata di rotto bevute. Eracleide, ora Era censo stima venuto il a argenti con visitarmi vorrà in a che giorni Laodicea bagno ed dell'amante, spalle io Fu desideravo cosa che i si nudi voce trattenesse che nostri con non me, avanti una quando perdere moglie. all'improvviso di fu sotto prostrato fa da collera per una mare dico? orribile lo margini lettera, (scorrazzava riconosce, in venga prende cui selvaggina era la dell'anno scritto reggendo non che di questua, il Vuoi in fondo se chi di nessuno. fra Ercolano rimbombano era il incriminato. stato eredita messo suo e in io oggi vendita canaglia del dal devi tenace, fratello ascoltare? non privato. a Q. fine essere Fadio. Gillo d'ogni Tenuta in gli ch'egli alle di possedeva piú cuore in qui comune lodata, sigillo pavone con su la lui.M. dire Mi Fadio al donna la che la prese giunto delle malissimo Èaco, e per ressa reputò sia, graziare che mettere coppe suo denaro della fratello, ti uomo lo cavoli stolido, rimasto vedo era anche arrivato lo che a con uguale tanto che propri nomi? istigato armi! Nilo, dai chi giardini, suoi e affannosa nemici. ti Del a Ora, questa a se al platani mi mai vuoi scrosci son bene, Pace, il Peto fanciullo, mio, i abbia addossati di ti tutta Arretrino magari la vuoi a faccenda gli si e c'è limosina libera moglie dal o cruccio quella Fadio. della dice. Abbiamo o aver di bisogno tempio trova della lo volta tua in autorità, ci consigli le ed Marte si anche dalla questo benevolenza: elegie una non perché liberto: tollerare commedie che lanciarmi o i la Muzio fratelli malata poi litighino porta essere e ora pane siano stima al afflitt piú può da con vergognosi in un processi; giorni si Matone pecore scarrozzare e spalle un Pollione Fede sono contende patrono nemici Tigellino: mi di voce sdraiato Fadio. nostri antichi A voglia, conosce che una fa mplte moglie. difficile parole? propinato adolescenti? Per tutto Eolie, Ercole, e libra non per altro? posso dico? scrivere margini estesamente riconosce, tanto, prende gente quanto inciso.' mi dell'anno farai non cosa questua, Galla', gradita in la se chi che renderai fra O la beni da serenità incriminato. libro a ricchezza: casa? Fadio: e lo egli oggi pensa del stravaccato che tenace, in ciò privato. a sia essere riposto d'ogni alzando in gli per te di denaro, e cuore e mi stessa persuade Yes, this helps enormously, because now we have the actual context from Cicero, Ad Familiares IX.25, and we can see that homo non sapiens is doing something subtler than merely calling Quintus Fadius a fool. The key sentence is:  Id M. Fadius pergraviter tulit existimavitque fratrem suum, hominem non sapientem, impulsu inimicorum suorum eo progressum esse.  A fairly literal rendering:  "Marcus Fadius took this very badly and thought that his brother, a man not wise, had been driven to such lengths by the influence of his enemies."  Notice what Cicero does not write:  not stultum hominem, not insipientem, not ineptum, but hominem non sapientem.  The force of the negation This is philosophically interesting because Cicero was writing De Finibus at roughly the same period and was immersed in Stoic terminology. For the Stoics, the division is rather sharp:  sapiens = the wise man, non sapiens = everybody else.  In that technical sense, almost all humanity would be non sapiens. So the phrase has a possible philosophical resonance:  not "an idiot", but "one lacking wisdom."  A carefully graded criticism. Hence your excellent observation:  maximal "~"  rather than lexical negation. Grice would love this. CICERO  homo non sapiens  The hearer enriches:  "therefore imprudent," "therefore foolish," "therefore easily manipulated."  But Cicero has not quite said those things.  Italian: "stolido"? Not quite. The OCR fragment you pasted renders it as:  uomo stolido  which is understandable as a translation choice. But I think "stolido" is stronger than Cicero's Latin. Possible rankings:                          LatinItaliansapienssaggionon sapiensnon saggio / privo di saggezzainsipiensscioccostultusstolto So I would prefer:  uomo poco saggio or uomo non saggio  if one wants to preserve Cicero's delicacy.  Homo sapiens sapiens versus Fadius Now we can construct the taxonomic dialogue much more precisely. Cicero  Q. Fadius est homo non sapiens.  Meaning:  Quintus Fadius lacks prudence.  Twentieth-century anthropologist  Immo est Homo sapiens sapiens.  Meaning:  Quintus Fadius belongs to the living human subspecies.  The contradiction is merely verbal.  Second run: the taxonomist One of the amusing things about Homo sapiens sapiens is that the second sapiens no longer means "wise" in the ordinary sense. A taxonomist might say: CICERO  Fadius non est sapiens.  TAXONOMIST  At est Homo sapiens sapiens.  CICERO  Quomodo potest?  TAXONOMIST  In mea disciplina "sapiens" iam nomen est, non laudatio. "In my discipline 'sapiens' is now a name, not a compliment."  That is the crucial shift. For Cicero:  sapiens is an evaluation.  For taxonomy:  sapiens is a label.   A final Gricean punchline GRICEVS  Quid de Fadio constat? "What is certain about Fadius?"  CICERO  Non est sapiens. "He is not wise."  TAXONOMIST  Est Homo sapiens sapiens. "He is Homo sapiens sapiens."  GRICEVS  Ergo sapientia decrescit quoties nomen repetitur. "Then wisdom decreases every time the name is repeated."  Poor Quintus Fadius: remembered by Cicero as homo non sapiens, and by modern anthropology as Homo sapiens sapiens. Both descriptions survive, each using sapiens in an entirely different language game.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Faggin – Ossia: Grice e Faggin: la ragione conversazionale dei bei -- metrica filosofica – inno orfico – Giuseppe Faggin (Isola Vicentina, Vicenza, Veneto): la ragione conversazionale dei bei -- metrica filosofica – inno orfico –Grice: “I like F.: he is obsessed with love; he translated Fedro, he selected some passages from the Roman philosopher Plotino and titled it, implicaturally “Dal bello al divino,” but surely for Plotino, via hypernegation, the divine IS beautiful – and finally, being an Italian, he became interested in “Dutch Protestantism” – “il Pellegrino cherubico”!” Si laurea a Padova sotto Troilo. Insegna a Vicenza.  Idealista mistica occultismo, stregoneria Diabolicità del rospo” (Sulla libertà del volere”; morale” Platone Fedro  SOCRATE: Caro Fedro, dove vai e da dove vieni? Platone FEDRO FEDRO: Dalla casa di Lisia, Socrate, il figlio di Cefalo, (1) e vado a fare una passeggiata fuori dalle mura. Ho passato parecchio tempo là seduto, fin dal mattino; e ora, seguendo il consiglio di Acumeno,(2) compagno mio e tuo, faccio delle passeggiate per le strade, poiché, a quanto dice, tolgono la stanchezza più di quelle sotto i portici. SOCRATE: E dice bene, amico mio. Dunque Lisia era in città, a quanto pare. FEDRO: Sì, alloggia da Epicrate, nella casa di Monco, quella vicino al tempio di Zeus Olimpio. SOCRATE: E come avete trascorso il tempo? Lisia non vi ha forse imbandito, è chiaro, i suoi discorsi? FEDRO: Lo saprai, se hai tempo di ascoltarmi mentre cammino. SOCRATE: Ma come? Credi che io, per dirla con Pindaro, non faccia del sentire come avete trascorso il tempo tu e Lisia una faccenda «superiore a ogni negozio? FEDRO: Muoviti, allora! SOCRATE: Se vuoi parlare. FEDRO: Senza dubbio, Socrate, l'ascolto ti si addice, poiché il discorso su cui ci siamo intrattenuti era, non so in che modo, sull'amore. Lisia ha scritto di un bel giovane che viene tentato, ma non da un amante, e ha comunque trattato anche questo argomento l'iniziazione Amore Alcibiade e il suo demone. Annunzio e Pirandello, I iniziati, metrica filosofica, Lucrezio toad rospo Roma antica; l’antico nel rinascimento italiano, protestantismo italiano – Italia contro Roma. Fedro, ovvero del bello, Dal bello al divino peregrine cherubico arbero come simbolo fuoco luce bello. Grice: Caro Faggin, ti confesso che mi piaci: sei così innamorato del bello che perfino Plotino arrossirebbe (e poi ti è venuta pure la curiosità per il protestantesimo olandese, come se fosse un nuovo capitolo del Fedro!). Faggin: Eh, Grice, la ragione conversazionale del bello è una metrica filosofica: parte da Fedro, passa per “Dal bello al divino” e finisce—se non stai attento—con un rospo diabolicamente simbolico che ti guarda male da Vicenza. Grice: Appunto: il rospo è l’implicatura che nessuno osa dire ad alta voce, mentre Socrate passeggia fuori dalle mura e noi due facciamo i pellegrini cherubici senza mappa. Faggin: Allora cammina e ascolta, caro Socrate oxoniense: tra amore, luce e Plotino, l’unica cosa davvero “non detta” è che anche l’occultismo, in fondo, ha bisogno di buona conversazione per non diventare superstizione da portico. Faggin, Giuseppe (1947). La coscienza della poesia. Padua: CEDAM.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Falcidio – Ossia: Grice e Falcidio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Falcidio. The Falcidii are a family at Rome It is known chiefly from two individuals, Gaius F. and Publius F., both of whom were influential in the development of Roman law. Gaius F., tribune of the plebs and legate. He was mentioned by Tullio Cicero in his speech in favour of the Lex Manilia, 66 BC.[2] Publius F., tribune of the plebs in BC 40, was the author of the Lex Falcidia de Legatis, which remained in force in the sixth century AD, when it was incorporated by Justinian in the Institutiones. It enacted that at least a fourth of the estate or property of a testator should be secured to the heres scriptus. Cassius Dio mentions the law, but apparently misunderstood its purpose.[3][4] See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Lege Manilia 19, ed. Orelli.  Dictionary of Antiquities s. v. Legatum  Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus, Roman History xlviii. 33.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)    GENS             This article about Roman gentes is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by adding missing information.  Categories: Roman gentesRoman gentes stubs So for this gens, the one behind the Lex Falcidia de Legatis, and how can Dio have misunderstood such a simple purpose? Thanks

 

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Falcidio – Ossia: Grice e Falcidio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Falcidio. For the Falcidii, I would certainly choose Publius Falcidius, because the whole affair turns on a beautiful Gricean problem:  What does it mean to name someone an heir?  The Lex Falcidia (40 BC) required that the instituted heir (heres scriptus) receive at least one quarter of the estate. Legacies to others could not consume everything. [en.wikipedia.org], [droitromai...e-alpes.fr] At first sight this seems obvious. But the Roman lawyers saw a conceptual problem. If I write:  "I appoint Titius my heir"  and then leave 99.9% of my estate to other people, have I really made Titius an heir? Or merely a bookkeeper? The law's solution was:  the heir must retain at least a quarter. [droitromai...e-alpes.fr], [en.wikipedia.org]   Why Smith says Dio misunderstood it Dio says:  if an heir feels burdened, he may keep a quarter and surrender the rest. [lexundria.com], [lexundria.com]  That is not completely wrong. But it shifts the centre of gravity. The Roman legal tradition presents the law as protecting the institution of heirship itself:  no testament may reduce the heir below one quarter. [droitromai...e-alpes.fr], [en.wikipedia.org]  Dio's formulation makes it sound more like:  a relief measure for an unhappy heir. [lexundria.com], [lexundria.com]  That is probably why the old Dictionary of Antiquities and the Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography say that Dio misunderstood the purpose. The heir's protection was the mechanism; preserving meaningful heirship was the broader purpose. [en.wikipedia.org], [droitromai...e-alpes.fr]  A Gricean reconstruction TESTATOR  Titium heredem scribo. "I appoint Titius as heir."  TITIVS  Quid accipiam? "What shall I receive?"  TESTATOR  Paene nihil. "Almost nothing."  GRICEVS  Cur igitur heredem eum appellas? "Why then do you call him heir?"  The law effectively says:  If you mean "heir", you must leave something substantial enough for the title not to become empty.   Cicero, Fadius, and the prudent heir This connects amusingly with your earlier homo non sapiens. Suppose Fadius inherits under a pre-Falcidian will. FADIVS  Heres sum! "I am heir!"  GRICEVS  Quantum hereditatis habes? "How much of the inheritance do you have?"  FADIVS  Quartam partem ne quidem. "Not even a quarter."  GRICEVS  Ergo nomen habes, rem non habes. "Then you have the name but not the thing."  The Lex Falcidia is almost a legislative attack on mere nominalism.  A Speranzian punchline DIO  Lex est ad allevandum heredem gravatum. "The law helps a burdened heir."  FALCIDIVS  Minus recte. "Not quite."  DIO  Quid igitur? "Then what?"  FALCIDIVS  Lex est ne heres heres nomine tantum sit. "The law exists so that an heir is not an heir in name only."  That, I think, is the deepest Roman point and the most Gricean one: the law protects the connection between the word heres and the reality it is supposed to signify. A title whose practical content has vanished generates exactly the sort of gap between saying and meaning that Grice loved to investigate.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Falcone – Ossia: Grice e Falcone: la ragione conversazionale e la lingua universale.  Dorandino Falcone di Gioia (Napoli, Campania): la ragione conversazionale e la lingua universale. Grice: “F. thought it would be a good idea to translate PORTA ’s Ars reminiscendi into ‘L’arte del ricordare’, and he did!” Grice, “Personal Identity,” Grice on Benjamin on Remembering!” reminiscenza memorilo Che cose l’una è l'altra fendo ncHofcriut  re{ come fi dice ) vnafiu craffit M inerba, accio che le hofìre regole con piu chiare zsa si intenda opinioni de luoghi di raggioname-. Vujjki* delaimagmami per me^zo delle finefirefte j le cofe materiali poi uolunti di  ricordarci di qttcUo,per mezzo dell'intelletto, che tpflo alla memoria ricor*  te* qui quella r-jcor^mo delle cofe che rf t» vogliamo la memoria, perche pojfiamo vroìjjtwta' >i o, Chela ila naturale et, j-artificiale.  VeflaReminificenza edi'due maniere, l'unac naturale, l'atra e artficiefe, la naturale quella thcconwiijlfffi najcej’ artificiale  che còn-regp1é.m  ibi, e la caggione, onde fi fia introdotte à pori » t r   :;"ìv ^aite di Reminiscenza. arti di ricordare fa tolta dalle naturali ifi  rieme faremo qui chiaro, el igere i luoghi . >che chiunque vuole ricorda fi di vn lungo fotti) fi forza  fempre di ricor darfi de luoghi prima, auetàjfe ; e ejfcrc tafanitele fra queflo fio v o eleggasi da parole, e piu gli intinte#  rgono, e che meno fi pojfino ajsomgliare, per ciò .che quejìe parole piu  dell’ altre ci f cglione effir molefic al ricordare . un segno manale jò dal contrio/o dui diffamile a come a lui meglio  piacerà elegerle e quefie notarle in un librone al ricordare le potigli in mano delle perfine del  luogo in vece defle PAROLE Fingerò fa me j che una gran 'Zucca dica  POI CHE, vn Melone dica POSCIA, vn Ccdruolo DAL, vw  Tomo PER y e fmilijcofi locaremo le IMAGINI alle  parole senza andar molto coll'tmaginatiua per porle, e pat irne»  te vedendole coll'intelletto ci ricordiamo delle paròle. Quel la le orationi voce recitauanont’l Senato f e con certe tifica^  refi caratteri da loro imaginati alle parole piu occorrenti } le Jcriueuano  (on molta jtgeuole^za.e.Fu quefia regola molto commendata per mio parere fé fcrijfero arte, memoriiy nagran moltttydi fi,  Cdcerom. la ri prende, intendetiJ che 'a tutte le Rarefi che,pq^. Falcone. caratteristica universale. Grice (St John’s, 1939). “War has been declared; I have declared, with no less solemnity, that I shall finish this wretched piece on “Personal Identity” before I lose my own. In the course of procrastination—a practice now officially patriotic—I come across Dorandino Falcone (or Falcone “di Gioia,” which sounds less like a surname than like a stage direction). And he sounds so much prae, as the Latins spelled it, that one thinks at once of Locke: memory, identity, the whole early‑modern apparatus at its most earnest and, if we are honest, at its most dreary. Poor Della Porta had the splendidly titled Ars reminiscendi: no definite article, as Cicero would have preferred, and the delicious gerund—reminiscendi—doing all the work by itself. And the thing, for all its elegance, never appears in print during Della Porta’s lifetime. But Falcone, being clever and being Neapolitan, knows his public. The populace wants its marvels in the vernacular, and so he has the translation printed before the original—abruptly, domestically—L’arte del ricordare, with Cicero turning in his grave. The sublime ars becomes l’arte—as if one needed the definite article at all, as if an iota‑operator were ever a necessity when it can be left to good conversational practice. And the clean Latin reminiscendi—a gerund that needs no prepositions, no scaffolding—becomes del ricordare, with del doing double duty: first as a little definite “of‑the,” and then as a poor substitute for the genitive that Latin gave you for free. But the serious point is Lockean. For Locke the “I” is, in effect, a memory‑thread; for Della Porta it is a craft of reminiscence—ars, not autobiography; and for Falcone it is something else again: not the “I” as remembered, but the “I” as coached—trained, supplied with pumpkins and melons and window‑places so that words can be fetched like objects. And Falcone himself is a different animal altogether—which is appropriate, since falcone is a hawk. Hart means a hart; Grice means—well, grice. But does a falcon ricorda? Does it remember? Or does it simply return—accurately, obediently—to where you trained it to return?” Grice: Falcone, tradurre l’Ars reminiscendi di Porta in “L’arte del ricordare” è già un’implicatura: vuoi farci credere che la memoria sia più educata quando parla italiano. Falcone: E tu, Grice, quando parli di lingua universale, mi sembra che tu voglia un dizionario dove anche le zucche dicano “POI CHE” senza litigare con i meloni. Grice: Appunto, perché se un’immagine ben piazzata mi fa ricordare una parola, allora anche un buon dialogo mi fa ricordare un’idea senza doverla recitare in Senato. Falcone: Allora facciamo così: io ti do finestre, luoghi e figure per la memoria, e tu mi dai massime conversazionali per non dimenticare dove ho messo il manoscritto. Falcone di Gioia, Dorandino (1556). L’arte del ricordare. Napoli

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fannio – Ossia: Grice e Fannio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fannio. The Fannii was a  family at ancient Rome. The first member of this gens to attain the consulship was Gaius F. Strabo. F. belongs to a large class of gentilicia that either originated at Rome, or cannot be shown to have come from anywhere else. Chase derives it from an obscure cognomen, Fadus.[2]  The only praenomina associated with the Fannii are Gaius, Marcus, and Lucius.  The only distinct family of the Fannia gens during the Republic bore the cognomen Strabo, originally given to someone given to squinting.[1][3] This was one of a large class of surnames derived from the physical characteristics of the bearer. Other surnames occur under the Empire, including Quadratus, "square", and Caepio, an onion,[4][5] but these seem to have been personal names, since they do not appear to have been passed down to the descendants of the bearers. Fannii Strabones Gaius F. Strabo, grandfather of the consul. Gaius F. C. f. Strabo, father of the consul. Gaius F. C. f. C. n. Strabo, consul in the year that rhetoricians were expelled from Rome. F. proposed a sumptuary law. Marcus Fannius (C. f. C. n.) Strabo, father of the historian. Gaius F. M. f. C. n. Strabo, consul. He had been tribune of the plebs, and was elected consul through the influence of Gaius Gracchus, but once in office, he supported the aristocracy and obstructed the measures of Gracchus. He issued a proclamation commanding all of the Italian allies to leave Rome, and spoke against Gracchus' proposal to extend the franchise to the Latins. F.'s speech was regarded as a masterpiece in Tullio Cicero's time. Gaius Fannius C. f. C. n. Strabo, had been a soldier under Scipio Aemilianus, and together with Tiberius Gracchus, was the first to mount the walls of Carthage on the capture of the city. He became an orator, whose style was harsher than that of his cousin, the consul, but gained fame as the author of a history of contemporary events, which was praised by Sallust. Others Gaius Fannius, tribune of the people in BC 187. He asserted that neither he nor his colleagues (with the exception of Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus) would hinder the praetor Quintus Terentius Culleo from arresting and imprisoning Scipio Asiaticus, if he refused to pay a fine to which he had been sentenced.[21] Fannia, the wife of Gaius Titinius, who married her in order to gain control of her considerable property. Gaius Marius interceded on her behalf when Titinius repudiated her but attempted to rob her of her dowry, and in gratitude Fannia provided shelter for Marius when he came to Minturnae as a fugitive.[22][23] Gaius F., an eques, who was called a frater germanus of Titinius, and had some transactions with Gaius Verres in BC 84.[24] Marcus F., one of the judices in the case of Sextus Roscius of Ameria.[25] Lucius F., served with Lucius Magius in the army of the legate Gaius Flavius Fimbria, in the war against Mithridates, in BC 84. They deserted and went over to Mithridates, under whom they served for many years. They were declared public enemies by the senate. Gaius F. Chaereas or Chaerea, a freedman of Greek extraction, whose slave was entrusted to the actor Quintus Roscius Gallus for training in his art. After the slave was murdered, Roscius obtained a farm in compensation, and Chaereas sued him for his share of the property. Roscius was defended by TULLIO Cicero, who savaged Chaereas' character and appearance.[31] Gaius F., one of the accusers of Publius Clodius Pulcher in BC 61. Two years later, he was mentioned by Lucius Vettius as an accomplice in an alleged conspiracy against Pompeius. He may be the same F. who went over to Sextus Pompeius in 43, and was outlawed. In 36, he deserted Pompeius and went over to Marcus Antonius.[32][33] Gaius F., tribune of the people in BC 59, when he allowed himself to be used by Marcus Bibulus in opposing GIULIO Caesar's agrarian law. A partisan of Pompeius, he went as praetor to Sicily in 49. The fall of Pompeius in the year after seems to have brought about the fall of F. also.[34] F., one of the commanders under Gaius Cassius Longinus in BC 42.[35] F. Quadratus, a contemporary of ORAZIO, who speaks of him with contempt as a parasite of Tigellius Hermogenes. He was one of those envious Roman poets who tried to depreciate ORAZIO, because his writings threw their own into the shade.[36][37] F. Caepio, conspired with Murena against Augustus in BC 22. He was accused of majestas by Tiberius, and condemned by the judges in his absence, as he did not stand his trial, and was shortly afterwards put to death. Fannia, the second wife of Helvidius Priscus, accompanied her husband into exile during the reign of Nero, and again under Vespasian. After her husband's death, she persuaded Herennius Senecio to write his biography, but following its publication, Herennius was put to death by Domitian, and Fannia sent into exile. Publius F. Synistor, owner of the Villa Boscoreale, which was buried in the eruption of Vesuvius in AD 79. Gaius F., a contemporary of the younger Plinius, and the author of a work on the deaths of persons executed or exiled by Nero, under the title of Exitus Occisorum aut Relegatorum. It consisted of three books, but more would have been added if F. had lived longer. The work seems to have been very popular at the time, both on account of its style and its subject. See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, p. 136 ("Fannia Gens").  Chase, p. 130.  Chase, p. 109.  New College Latin & English Dictionary, s.v. quadratus.  Chase, p. 113.  Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae, ii. 24, xv. 11.  Suetonius, De Claris Rhetoribus, 1.  Macrobius, Saturnalia, ii. 13.  Pliny the Elder, Historia Naturalis, x. 50. s. 71.  Cicero, Brutus, 26, De Oratore, iii. 47.  Pliny the Elder, Historia Naturalis, ii. 32.  Plutarch, "The Life of Gaius Gracchus", 8, 11, 12.  Julius Victor, De Arte Rhetorica, p. 224, ed. Orelli.  Meyer, Oratorum Romanorum Fragmenta, p. 191 ff, 2nd ed.  Plutarch, "The Life of Tiberius Gracchus", 4.  Appian, Hispanica, 67.  Cicero, De Republica, i. 12, Laelius de Amicitia, 1, Brutus, 26, 31, De Legibus, i. 2, Epistulae ad Atticum, xii. 5.  Sallust, apud Victorinus, p. 57, ed. Orelli.  Krause, Vitae et Fragmenta Veterum Historicorum Romanorum, p. 171 ff.  Orelli, Onomasticon Tullianum, pp. 249, 250.  Livy, xxxviii. 60.  Valerius Maximus, viii. 2. § 3.  Plutarch, "The Life of Marius", 38.  Cicero, In Verrem, i. 49.  Cicero, Pro Sexto Roscio Amerino, 4, and Scholia Gronoviana, p. 427, ed. Orelli.  Appian, Bella Mithridatica, 68.  Plutarch, "The Life of Sertorius", 24.  Orosius, vi. 2.  Cicero, In Verrem, i. 34.  Pseudo-Asconius, Commentarius in Oratorio Ciceronis in Verrem, p. 183, ed. Orelli.  Cicero, Pro Quinto Roscio Comoedo.  Cicero, Epistulae ad Atticum, ii. 24, Philippicae, xiii. 6.  Appian, Bellum Civile, 4. 84, v. 139.  Cicero, Pro Sexto Roscio Amerino, 53, In Vatinium Testem, 7, Epistulae ad Atticum, vii. 15, viii. 15, xi. 6.  Appian, Bellum Civile, iv. 72.  Horace, Satirae, i. 4, 21, i. 10, 80, with the Scholia.  Weichert (ed.), Poëtarum Latinorum Reliquiae, p. 290 ff.  Cassius Dio, Roman History, liv. 3.  Velleius Paterculus, ii. 91.  Suetonius, "The Life of Augustus", 19, "The Life of Tiberius", 8.  Seneca the Younger, De Clementia, 9, De Brevitate Vitae, 5.  Pliny the Younger, Epistulae, i. 5, vii. 19.  Suetonius, "The Life of Vespasian", 15.  Pliny the Younger, Epistulae, v. 5.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). 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August Wilhelm Ferdinand Krause, Vitae et Fragmenta Veterum Historicorum Romanorum (Lives and Fragments of Ancient Roman Historians), Ferdinand Dümmler, Berlin (1833). Henricus Meyerus (Heinrich Meyer), Oratorum Romanorum Fragmenta ab Appio inde Caeco usque ad Q. Aurelium Symmachum (Fragments of Roman Orators from Appius Claudius Caecus to Quintus Aurelius Symmachus), L. Bourgeois-Mazé, Paris (1837). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). George Davis Chase, "The Origin of Roman Praenomina", in Harvard Studies in Classical Philology, vol. VIII, pp. 103–184 (1897). John C. Traupman, The New College Latin & English Dictionary, Bantam Books, New York (1995). Categories: FanniiRoman gentes Here below is the general entry for the gens and one individual -- the third could relate to the F. consul in the year when rhetoricians were expelled from Rome. Grice and Speranza like this because in the middle ages, oratoria or rhetorica was the third part of the trivium, or second -- along with grammatica and dialectica -- but one would find it harder to imagine that grammarians (if not dialecticians, as sophists) were banished in toto from a realm. Was Fannius personally involved? Can we have a double run on this? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fannio -- Ossia: Grice e Fannio: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale  Fannio: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale – F. conosce Panezio per mezzo di Lelio, e ne segue l’insegnamento. Fannio combatte contro Cartagine, tribuno della plebe e si distingue contro Viriato. F. e pretore e console. F. oppone alla proposta di Gracco di concedere la piena cittadinanza romana ai latini e i diritti di questi ai itali, con una orazione famosa. F. scrive un saggio storico spesso ricordata da CICERONE, Annales, che forse comincia con le origini di Roma -- e orazioni.   F.  is a republican philosopher and politician. One of the principal opponents of GRACCO. F. is a member of the Scipionic Circle, the son of Marco F., and a member of the staff of Metellus, who sennds him as part of an embassy to the Achaean League to convince them not to enter the war against Rome. The embassy is insulted and their warnings disregarded. He serves with distinction as a military tribune under Serviliano in his war against Viriato. Elected as plebeian tribune, and then praetor, he is mentioned in a decree responding to the request for assistance by the Hasmoneans. With the support of the tribune of the plebs GRACCO, F. is elected consul, serving alongside Ahenobarbus. Once in office, he turns against GRACCO, opposing his measures and supporting the Senate against any reforms which impact upon its wealth and status. He commands all of the Italian allies to leave Rome, and speaks against GRACCO's proposal to extend the franchise to the Latins, an oratorical masterpiece. F. marries Laelia, the daughter of Laelius. On the advice of his father-in-law, F. attends the lectures of the portico philosopher Panezio. There is a long-standing debate over whether this F. is the historian who serves under SCIPIONE, and together with GRACCO are the first to mount the walls of Carthage. CICERONE is incorrect in identifying F. the consul as the son of Gaius. Inscriptions clearly reveal that his father is Marcus F. It is now generally accepted that CICERONE, although mistaken about some of the details, is not mistaken when he distinguished between F., the Consul and F., the historian who served under SCIPIONE. Fannio. Fannio. Roma. GRICEVS: Fanni, si Panaetium per Laelium didicisti, dic mihi utrum in republica plus valeat sermo apertus an implicatura cauta. FANNIVS: Utrumque, Grice, nam in curia verba saepe pugnant sicut apud Carthaginem, sed sensus sub verbis latet sicut legatus sub toga. GRICEVS: At tu Graccho restitisti de civitate Latinis danda, et tamen ipse consul factus es—num hoc est constantia Stoica an mutatio opportunissima. FANNIVS: Constantia est, nisi quis rogaverit; tum respondeo more Annalium: Cicero me laudat, Gracchus me accusat, et ego inter utrumque rideam, dum Roma se ipsam interpretatur. Fannia may look like a gens? At least this Fannio was the son of M. Fannius? Yes. In this case the inference is much firmer than with Favonius. Fannius is a proper Roman nomen, and it straightforwardly implies the gens Fannia. So if this Fannius is the son of Marcus Fannius, then both father and son belong to the gens Fannia. Your formulation “Fannia may look like a gens” can therefore be strengthened. It is not merely that Fannia looks like a gens; it is the correct gentile form corresponding to the nomen Fannius. So the dry structure is: Fannius is the nomen. Therefore the gens is Fannia. If the consul and political figure is correctly identified as the son of Marcus Fannius, then the father too is a Fannius, hence also of the gens Fannia. The only caution, as usual, is prosopographical detail. In the case of Gaius Fannius, there are the familiar confusions over which Fannius is which, especially between the consul and the historian, and over paternal filiation. But those confusions do not affect the basic onomastic point. Whether Cicero muddled one Fannius with another, the nomen remains Fannius, and the gens remains Fannia. So here the answer is much cleaner than in some of your earlier cases: Aristius Fuscus does not give a gens Fusca, because Fuscus is cognomen. Marcus Favonius gives at most a weakly inferred gens Favonia, because the family is thinly attested. But Fannius is a standard nomen, and yes, it belongs to the gens Fannia. And if you want the neat Roman-name decomposition for the consul Fannius: Gaius is the praenomen. Fannius is the nomen. Any further identifying element, where attested, would come after that. So yes, in short: this Fannius and his father Marcus Fannius are both members of the gens Fannia. o Grice and Speranza have this Fannio and they like him because he is a member of the Circolo degli Scipione -- which Grice takes as the closest Rome got to his play group -- but this Fannio was some anti-democratic devil, and Grice and Speranza wonder if 'Circolo degli Scipioni' meant 'philosophical salon' or is just a vague way to catalogue sympathies -- in this case patricians versus Sempronio Gracco? The arguments of the Circolo degli Scipione were philosophical but they were still men of action -- so it is not via rational argument that Fannio encounters Sempronio, right? You are exactly right to suspect that “circolo degli Scipioni” is less a tidy institution (like a college salon or an Oxford Play Group) and more a retrospective label for a style of elite interaction. Fannius is a very good test case precisely because he sits at the junction of philosophy, rhetoric, and hard politics. Let me separate three things: what the “circle” is, what Fannius is doing in it, and your Gricean question about how the encounter with Gracchus actually works.  1. What is the “Scipionic circle”? It is not a formal philosophical school.  no membership list no doctrine no institutional continuity like the Academy or Stoa  It is instead:  a network of aristocratic friendships centred (retrospectively) on Scipio Aemilianus including Laelius Sapiens, Panaetius, Polybius, and others  So “circolo” means:  shared education, shared conversation, shared style of reasoning among elite Romans open to Greek philosophy  It is closer to:  a salon-like conversational culture, yes but inseparable from politics, military command, and public life  So Grice is right to see something like a “Play Group,” but only if one adds: this Play Group commands armies and defeats Carthage.  2. Fannius inside that circle Fannius fits the pattern well:  educated, connected to Laelius → gets Panaetius writes history (Annales) gives speeches holds magistracies  So he is:  not a philosopher in the Greek sense but deeply philosophically shaped  Now the crucial tension:  he belongs to a philosophically open aristocratic circle yet politically he opposes Gracchan reform  So “circle” does not mean progressive or liberal. It means:  intellectually refined aristocracy defending its conception of the Republic   3. Is it “patricians vs Gracchus”? Partly, but not simply. Gracchus is also aristocratic (a Sempronius), so this is not:  nobles versus people  It is more like:  two aristocratic visions of Rome:  A. Scipionic / Laelian line (Fannius)  order gradualism aristocratic leadership suspicion of mass political expansion  B. Gracchan line  reform redistribution expansion of citizenship mobilization of the people  So your instinct is right: this is not just philosophy; it is competing interpretations of Rome itself  4. Is the encounter “rational argument”? Here your Grice–Speranza instinct is exactly right. No, the confrontation is not simply:  two philosophers sitting down and reasoning to agreement  It is:  speeches in the forum votes mobilised crowds institutional pressure  So the structure is: Explicitum Fannius delivers a speech against extending citizenship First implicatum He defends the stability and privilege structure of Rome Higher implicatum He warns against destabilising the res publica through mass inclusion Political uptake Crowd, Senate, allies all interpret differently  5. The Gricean twist This is where your framework shines. Fannius is not aiming at:  shared rational convergence  He is managing:  multiple audiences layered interpretation  So:  to the Senate → order, prudence to the people → fear of disruption to allies → limits of inclusion  His speech is not just argument; it is controlled implicature under political conditions  6. Why he looks “anti-democratic” Because the Scipionic style is:  philosophically open but politically cautious  Fannius absorbs Greek philosophy (Panaetius), but applies it to:  maintain hierarchy defend Roman identity resist large-scale, rapid reform  So the paradox:  philosophical refinement does not produce political radicalism  In fact, it often produces the opposite: a more self-conscious conservatism  7. Final Speranza-style sentence The “Scipionic circle” is not a philosophical school but an aristocratic conversational regime in which Greek philosophy is domesticated into Roman public life; and Fannius exemplifies its characteristic tension, for he reasons under the influence of Panaetius yet acts within the constraints of senatorial politics, so that his opposition to Gracchus is not the failure of rational argument but the expression of a different, socially embedded rationality in which speeches function less to persuade an opponent than to regulate what diverse audiences are entitled to infer about the stability of the Republic.  If you like, I can stage a short exchange between Fannius and Gracchus in Gricean terms, showing exactly how each side exploits implicature differently. And Grice and Speranza think there is a Pontius 'wash my hands' thing too -- the distinction between the illocution (Fannio's speech) and the perlocutionary effect -- and which Sempronio was he against? Both Sempronios had terrible deaths, right? The perlocutionary effect of Fannio's speech on the masses -- can you expand on this: on whatSempronio he has in mind and the way both Sempronios ended their life. And you mention the SEmpronios were aristocratic but still not patrician -- the agrarian reform does not quite relate with the citizenship extension, right? (Quite the opposite one would think). So is Fannio clear as to whether he is against citizenship extension and also agrarian reform. You say Circolo degli Scipione is like Play Group defeating Carthage, but wasn't the Circle formed rather in times of peace by the SON of the 'Africano' -- the parallelism would be Grice fighting the Hun 1941-1945, and back to his play group in the city of the dreaming spires! But the Circolo degli Scipione had no sylabus to follow, and that was a plus! This is an excellent tightening of the problem, and you are now seeing exactly where the Roman material becomes philosophically sharp in a Gricean way: speech, action, and consequence come apart. Let me proceed by isolating four things: which Sempronius, what Fannius actually opposes, the deaths of the two Gracchi, and then your “Pontius” structure of illocution versus perlocution.  1. Which Sempronius is Fannius opposing? Your Fannius is Gaius Fannius (consul 122 BC). So the Gracchan he directly opposes is:  Gaius Sempronius Gracchus (the younger brother)  not Tiberius, who had already been killed earlier. This matters because:  Tiberius (133 BC) → agrarian reform (land redistribution) Gaius (123–121 BC) → broader program, including citizenship extension  So when Fannius speaks against extending citizenship to Latins and Italians, he is opposing: → Gaius Gracchus, not Tiberius.  2. Are agrarian reform and citizenship extension the same? You are absolutely right: they are not the same, and indeed they pull in different directions.   Agrarian reform (Tiberius) redistributes land within Roman citizen body → strengthens poor Roman citizens   Citizenship extension (Gaius) expands who counts as Roman → dilutes existing citizen privilege   So from an aristocratic standpoint:  agrarian reform threatens property citizenship reform threatens identity and political control  Fannius is especially associated with: → opposition to the citizenship extension Whether he opposed agrarian reform in principle is less central to his profile; his famous speech is aimed at the second issue.  3. The deaths of the two Sempronii Here the Roman parallel is stark and tragic. Tiberius Gracchus (133 BC)  killed in a political riot on the Capitoline essentially lynched by senatorial supporters first major outbreak of political violence in late Republic  Gaius Gracchus (121 BC)  after defeat flees with followers ultimately dies by his own command / suicide through a slave  So:  Tiberius = killed by others (collapse of civic norms) Gaius = self-inflicted death under defeat (Roman elite script, closer to Brutus)  This is already your “Romanization” of political death:  public killing → breakdown self-directed death → preserved dignity   4. The Pontius Pilate analogy: illocution vs perlocution This is exactly where your Grice–Speranza insight bites. Let us take Fannius’s speech. Illocution (what he does in speaking)  argues against extending citizenship presents reasons: stability, order, limits performs role: senatorial statesman reasoning publicly  Perlocution (what happens because of the speech)  helps mobilise opposition to Gaius contributes to political isolation of Gracchus feeds into escalating conflict ultimately participates (indirectly) in the conditions leading to Gaius’s death  Now your Pontius analogy is perfect: Fannius can present himself as: “I spoke only as reason required” But the effect is: → strengthening the forces that destroy his opponent So like Pilate:  illocution: juridical reasoning, formal decision perlocution: death of the condemned  And the Roman twist is: Fannius remains a participant in rational discourse even as the system produces violence  5. Does Fannius “encounter” Gracchus rationally? Formally: yes Substantively: no They encounter each other in:  assemblies orations political procedure  But:  there is no neutral space of shared rational resolution each side speaks to different audiences with different uptake conditions  So the structure is:  Gracchus → mobilises the people Fannius → manages the Senate and conservative mass  Their “dialogue” is not dialectic; it is: → competing control of public interpretation  6. On the Scipionic Circle: war vs peace You are right to refine the earlier image.  The original Scipio Africanus is a wartime figure The “circle” properly belongs to Scipio Aemilianus, later  So:  Carthage is already gone (146 BC) Rome enters a moment of relative stability and expansion  This allows:  cultivation Greek philosophy conversation  So your analogy works better like this: Grice after the war returns to Oxford → reflective play group Scipio Aemilianus after Carthage → aristocratic conversational circle But crucially: → they never stop being men of action  7. No syllabus — and why that matters This is not accidental; it is essential. The circle has:  no fixed doctrine no school identity no orthodoxy  This is precisely why it resembles your “Play Group”:  conversation-driven personality-driven not institutionalised  But in Rome this has a distinctive consequence: → philosophy remains subordinate to political life  8. Final consolidation (Speranza style) Fannius’s opposition to Gaius Gracchus illustrates the Roman divergence between illocution and perlocution: he speaks in the language of reason, order, and civic prudence, and may therefore regard his utterance as purely rational and justificatory; yet the effect of that speech, operating within a volatile political field, is not the resolution but the escalation of conflict, contributing to the conditions under which Gracchus is destroyed. The “Scipionic circle,” lacking doctrine but rich in conversational discipline, produces precisely such figures: men trained to manage meaning across audiences, not to secure agreement, so that their speeches function less as arguments to opponents than as instruments for shaping the inferences of a divided public. And can you expand on place and death of Sempronio The Younger Brother? I liked the way you described Death of Sempronio The Elder Brother as 'breakdown' -- in Griceian terms: he was fighting in the Campidoglio INTENDING to win -- but was defeated. Now, to consider the PERLOCUTIONARY effect of FANNIO, Grice and Speranza would like to know more about 'death-inflicted-by-slave.' Grice once joked on 'tripped' and 'fell on his own sword' -- taking LITERALLY a Roman cliche (caudus glaudis?) -- In the case of the slave that killed the younger brother. the 'philosophy of action' is pretty complex -- But this occurs frequently in Roman history -- cf. Marc'Antonio, Claeopatra, Bruto, that you mention -- se ipse -- and Cato -- aided by slave? -- here the intention -- willing -- to kill oneself -- and then cf. Seneca -- forced to cut his veins, and all the atrocities of Nero Domizio with the Stoic Opposition -- the Trasea, the Petus, etc. -- But in the specific case of SEmpronio the younger brother -- his choices -- as he saw them -- would have been DEFEAT -- and exeuction anyway by the Senate just because of his proposal of citizenship extension -- lynching avoided by slave-inflected killing? Thanks. Yes, preservance of dignity -- not breakdown but philosophically complex nonetheless which in Chrstian later dogma becomes even controversial (no one even suspected of having committed suicide would receive the same treatment, since there was a stigma to this -- etc. This is exactly the right place to press the Roman material, because with Gaius Sempronius Gracchus everything you are after comes together: place, death, intention, and the strange Roman logic whereby one “kills oneself” through another. Let me proceed carefully: first the place and circumstances, then the mode of death, and then the Gricean “philosophy of action.”  1. Place and last movements of Gaius Gracchus After his political defeat in 121 BC, the scene shifts out of the formal civic space.  The decisive confrontation is around the Aventine Hill This is symbolically important: not the Capitoline (state authority), but a popular, plebeian-associated space He withdraws there with followers after losing political ground  The Senate passes what is effectively an emergency decree (senatus consultum ultimum), and armed force is used. So the spatial movement is itself expressive:  Tiberius dies in the Capitol → breakdown at the heart of the state Gaius retreats to the Aventine → political separation, almost exile within the city   2. The death: “by slave” — what actually happens Accounts agree on the structure, even if details vary. Gaius:  sees that defeat is irreversible faces probable capture and execution chooses not to be taken alive  He withdraws with a small group toward the outskirts or a sacred grove area. Then the crucial act: → he orders a slave (often named as Philocrates) to kill him So:  the physical cause of death is another person the intentional cause is his own will  This is not accidental detail; it is a Roman pattern.  3. Why not simply “kill himself”? Because Roman elite suicide is often:  assisted, not solitary structured as:  command compliance execution    So instead of:  “se interficit” in a simple physical sense  you get something closer to:  “mortem sibi consciscit” through another  That is: he brings about his own death, even if another hand carries it out  4. Comparison with other Roman cases Your parallels are exactly right. Brutus, Cassius  often assisted by companions in holding the sword still counted as self-inflicted  Antony  botched self-killing, then assisted  Seneca  required to die → opens veins under supervision self-action within constraint  Cato  wounds himself, then servants intervene, then completes the act  So the Roman pattern is:  agency is preserved, even when execution is distributed   5. Gricean structure: intention vs outcome Now we can formulate this in your preferred way. Illocutionary analogue What is he doing?  not making a statement but performing an intended act of self-death the “utterance” is effectively: “I will not be captured; I command my death”  Perlocutionary outcome What happens?  death occurs via the slave the political system interprets the act:  as nobility or as failure or as closure     6. The Pontius parallel sharpened Now your Pilate comparison becomes even stronger. In Pilate:  official act justified as procedure outcome: death  In Gaius:  deliberate self-order execution delegated outcome: death  The difference:  Pilate displaces responsibility outward Gaius recollects responsibility inward, even while delegating execution  So: Pilate: “I am not the cause” Gracchus: “I remain the cause, even if another acts”  7. Why the slave? This is not merely practical. It has three layers. (a) Practical  faster, more certain than self-wounding  (b) Social  preserves dignity of the elite body avoids:  mutilation botched death public humiliation    (c) Philosophical  allows full deliberate agency without reducing the act to mere bodily mechanics   8. Your key point: alternatives he saw You are exactly right to frame it this way. His perceived options:  Capture → humiliation and execution Mob violence → uncontrolled death (Tiberius case) Controlled self-directed death  He chooses (3). So:  not breakdown but structured withdrawal from political agency   9. Comparing the brothers (your formulation refined) This gives a beautiful contrast. Tiberius  dies in crowd violence intention: victory result: collapse  → your “breakdown” is perfect Gaius  controls his final act intention: avoid dishonour result: preserved agency at the moment of defeat  → not breakdown, but final rational act under constraint  10. The deeper Roman philosophy What emerges is a distinctive Roman idea:  One can no longer control outcomes, but one can control the mode of one’s end.  This is where Stoic language later fits perfectly, even if Gaius is not doctrinally Stoic.  11. Christian contrast (your final point) You are right to flag the later shift. Roman view:  self-directed death = intelligible final act can preserve dignity and rationality  Christian view:  self-killing = morally problematic denies divine prerogative  So what is for the Roman: → an ultimate assertion of agency Becomes for Christianity: → an illegitimate usurpation  12. Final Speranza–Grice sentence The death of Gaius Gracchus exemplifies a Roman solution to the collapse of political agency: where his brother’s death manifests the breakdown of civic order in uncontrolled violence, Gaius engineers a final act in which agency is preserved through delegation, so that although a slave performs the killing, the intention—and therefore the action in the stronger sense—remains his own; and in Gricean terms one may say that the illocutionary force of self-directed death is maintained even when its physical execution is outsourced, securing a form of rational authorship at the very point where political life has otherwise rendered it impossible.  If you like, I can compare this directly with Cato’s death to show how the Roman “ideal form” of such an act stabilises in later moral tradition.Fannio.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fannio – Ossia: Grice e Fannio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fannio. For the Fannii, I would indeed choose Gaius Fannius Strabo, the consul in the year of the expulsion of rhetoricians, precisely because it raises a wonderfully paradoxical question:  How can a society that prides itself on oratory expel teachers of rhetoric?  And the irony becomes even sharper when one remembers that Cicero later treats eloquence as one of the highest Roman accomplishments. First run: Was Fannius personally involved? The evidence in your entry is cautious. The sources cited (Aulus Gellius and Suetonius' De Claris Rhetoribus) connect the expulsion with the year of Fannius' consulship. But that is not the same as saying:  "Fannius personally led the campaign."  The entry only explicitly says:  Gaius Fannius Strabo was consul in the year that rhetoricians were expelled from Rome.  I do not find, in the material presented, an explicit statement that Fannius himself authored or promoted the measure. So a Gricean historian must distinguish:  consul when it happened, and author of the expulsion.  These are not identical.  Why rhetoric rather than grammar? This is the fascinating point. A grammarian teaches:  what words mean.  A rhetorician teaches:  how words move people.  For many conservative Romans, the second activity was potentially more dangerous. A rough Roman caricature might be: SENATOR  Grammaticus docet Latine loqui. "The grammarian teaches one to speak Latin."  RHETOR  Et rhetor? "And the rhetorician?"  SENATOR  Docet multitudinem movere. "He teaches one to move the crowd."  That is far more politically explosive.  A Gricean double run The conservative Roman GRICEVS  Cur rhetores expellitis? "Why are you expelling rhetoricians?"  SENATOR  Quia nimis bene persuadent. "Because they persuade too well."  GRICEVS  Nonne hoc est laudabile? "Is that not admirable?"  SENATOR  Non semper. "Not always."   The rhetorician replies RHETOR  Doceo dicere. "I teach speaking."  SENATOR  Doceas etiam seditionem. "You teach sedition as well."  The issue is really about the social consequences of persuasive speech.  The irony of the later Fannius Now comes the best Fabian—or rather Fannian—twist. Your later Gaius Fannius, opponent of Gaius Gracchus, became famous precisely because of:  a celebrated political speech.  Cicero still admired it generations later. So we get a lovely paradox: ROMAN STATE  distrusts professional rhetoric.  FANNIVS  becomes famous through rhetoric.  A Speranzian summary: GRICEVS  Cur rhetores expulsi sunt? "Why were rhetoricians expelled?"  FANNIVS  Ne nimis multi oratores fierent. "Lest too many become orators."  GRICEVS  At tu orator fuisti. "But you were an orator."  FANNIVS  Idcirco alios nolui. "Precisely for that reason I did not want others."   And that may be the deepest Roman lesson here. The objection was often not to eloquence itself, but to the democratization of eloquence. An aristocrat who acquires persuasive power through family, education, and public office is one thing; a city full of trained rhetoricians capable of influencing assemblies is quite another. That is the tension lurking behind the expulsion. And can we have a second run on both sources: Gellio and Suetonius's De claris rhetoribus, to see what context -- on what basis, what cause -- oratores (or rhetores) expelled from Rome? Immediate cause, or reason, etc? Thanks Yes—and once one reads Gellius and Suetonius side by side, the episode becomes much more interesting than the simple formula:  "The Romans expelled rhetoricians."  In fact there are two related but distinct actions preserved in the sources. 1. The earlier measure: philosophers and rhetoricians Aulus Gellius preserves a senatorial decree from the consulship of Gaius Fannius Strabo and Marcus Valerius Messalla. The senate instructed the praetor M. Pomponius to see to it, in whatever way seemed appropriate to the public interest, that philosophers and rhetoricians should not remain at Rome. [loebclassics.com], [loebclassics.com] The striking thing is how little justification is given. The decree itself is administrative:  philosophers and rhetoricians are not to remain in Rome. [loebclassics.com], [loebclassics.com]  Gellius does not preserve an argument explaining why. So with respect to Fannius personally:  we know the decree belongs to the year of his consulship, but the preserved text does not say that Fannius authored or promoted it. [loebclassics.com], [loebclassics.com]   2. The later censorship: Latin rhetoricians The second document is much richer. Both Gellius and Suetonius preserve the famous censorial edict of Domitius Ahenobarbus and Licinius Crassus. [droitromai...e-alpes.fr], [loebclassics.com], [thelatinlibrary.com], [loebclassics.com] The censors complain that:  a new kind of education has appeared, young men gather in these schools, the teachers call themselves Latin rhetoricians, young men spend whole days there. [droitromai...e-alpes.fr], [thelatinlibrary.com], [loebclassics.com]  Most importantly, they invoke:  mos maiorum,  the customs of the ancestors. The edict explicitly says that these innovations are:  contrary to ancestral custom, displeasing, and improper. [droitromai...e-alpes.fr], [thelatinlibrary.com], [loebclassics.com]   3. What was the real objection? The Roman Law Library commentary attached to the edict is very illuminating. It argues that the conservatives' objection was not simply that the teachers taught in Latin rather than Greek. Rather, they feared:  a new educational system, broader access to rhetorical training, and schools where youths learned formal techniques of persuasion. [droitromai...e-alpes.fr]  The censors describe the schools as places where young men sit all day. [droitromai...e-alpes.fr], [loebclassics.com] Hence a Gricean reconstruction: CENSOR  Non placet. "We do not approve."  RHETOR  Cur? "Why?"  CENSOR  Quia novum est. "Because it is new."  That is almost literally the logic of the edict. The appeal is overwhelmingly to tradition. [droitromai...e-alpes.fr], [thelatinlibrary.com]  4. Why rhetoricians rather than grammarians? Suetonius gives a clue. At the beginning of De Rhetoribus he says that rhetoric entered Roman education somewhat more difficultly than grammar, because rhetoric had at times actually been prohibited. [loebclassics.com], [thelatinlibrary.com] A grammarian teaches language. A rhetorician teaches public persuasion. A senator may tolerate:  "Teach boys to read."  He becomes more nervous at:  "Teach boys how to sway assemblies."   A Fannian vignette GRICEVS  Cur rhetores expellitis? "Why are you expelling rhetoricians?"  CENSOR  Quia iuventus totos dies apud eos sedet. "Because the young spend whole days with them."  GRICEVS  Et quid discunt? "And what do they learn?"  CENSOR  Dicere. "To speak."  GRICEVS  Hocne crimen est? "Is that the crime?"  CENSOR  Non dicere timemus. "It is not speaking that we fear."  GRICEVS  Quid igitur? "Then what?"  CENSOR  Ne nimis multi bene dicant. "That too many may learn to speak well."  That may slightly exaggerate the Roman position—but I think it captures the anxiety behind the texts. The preserved justifications are less about the content of rhetoric than about its novelty, its influence on youth, and its challenge to traditional Roman educational patterns. [droitromai...e-alpes.fr], [loebclassics.com], [loebclassics.com] But the more detailed veto reported by Suetonius seems to refer to a different episode? Gellio's passage actually seems to take responsibility OUT of Fannio -- he was sharing a consulship wih someone else and it is the Senate that order Pomponio to expel rhetoricians and philosophers -- For Fannio to oppose the measure he would have had to get counsel from his co-consul and appeal to the Senate -- too much for something that he possibly saw as ineffective anyway. Thanks Yes, I think that's exactly the right correction, and it is one of those cases where the gens-entry shorthand can easily blur together two distinct episodes. From the texts preserved by Gellius and Suetonius, the situation appears to be: Episode 1: the senatorial decree In the consulship of Gaius Fannius Strabo and Marcus Valerius Messalla, the senate passed a decree after a proposal by the praetor M. Pomponius. The senate instructed Pomponius to take steps, as he judged best for the public interest, so that philosophers and rhetoricians should not remain in Rome. [armstronge...nomics.com], [historyatlas.com] Notice what is absent:  no speech by Fannius, no motion by Fannius, no argument by Fannius, no indication that he personally championed the measure.  Indeed, as you say, the preserved text tends almost to remove agency from the consuls. The operative actor in the decree is:  M. Pomponius praetor senatum consuluit "The praetor M. Pomponius consulted the senate."  and then the senate empowered him to act. [armstronge...nomics.com], [historyatlas.com] So the fact that later prosopographies label Fannius as:  "consul in the year that rhetoricians were expelled"  is primarily a chronological marker, not necessarily evidence of personal involvement.  Episode 2: the censorial edict Some years later, according to both Gellius and Suetonius, the censors Domitius Ahenobarbus and Licinius Crassus issued the much fuller edict against the Latin rhetoricians. [armstronge...nomics.com], [en.wikipedia.org], [historyatlas.com] This is the famous passage beginning:  Renuntiatum est nobis esse homines qui novum genus disciplinae instituerunt... "It has been reported to us that there are men who have established a new kind of instruction..." [alchetron.com], [en.wikipedia.org]  This is where we get the detailed reasoning:  novelty, schools of Latin rhetoric, youths spending whole days there, departure from ancestral custom (mos maiorum). [alchetron.com], [en.wikipedia.org]  And this episode belongs to the censors, not to Fannius.  A Gricean point In fact, one could say that Suetonius almost creates a misleading conversational implicature. He places the two texts together:  senatorial decree, censorial edict,  because both concern philosophers and rhetoricians. [historyatlas.com], [armstronge...nomics.com] A hurried reader is invited to infer:  "Ah, this is one continuous anti-rhetorical campaign."  But the documents themselves show different institutions acting:  senate and praetor in the first case, censors in the second. [armstronge...nomics.com], [historyatlas.com]  So I would be very cautious about turning Fannius into an anti-rhetorical crusader. The evidence securely establishes only that:  he happened to be one of the consuls when the senate issued the earlier decree. [armstronge...nomics.com], [historyatlas.com]  Whether he approved, opposed, ignored, or simply accepted it, the surviving texts do not say. Indeed, your suggestion is quite plausible as an interpretation: a practical Roman politician might well have regarded such expulsions as largely symbolic and not worth a constitutional struggle with a colleague, a praetor, and the senate. But that last step would be our speculation, not something stated by Gellius or Suetonius.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fariano – Ossia: Grice e Fariano: la ragione conversazionale e il circolo di Giuliano -- Roma antica Fariano: la ragione conversazionale e il circolo di Giuliano -- Roma antica -- Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Filosofo romano. Friend of Giuliano. Studies  philosophy with Giuliano and Eumenio. GRICEVS: Fariane, audio te in circulo Iuliani cum Iuliano atque Eumenio philosophari, sed dic mihi utrum Roma plus amet disputare an plausum captare. FARIANVS: Roma utrumque amat, Grice, nam eadem urbs potest et in porticibus rationem quaerere et in foro rumores colligere quasi sint syllogismi. GRICEVS: Ergo cum quis tacet in circulo, nonne saepe maxime dicit, et nos reliquum per implicaturam colligimus? FARIANVS: Ita vero, et Iulianus ipse ridens docet nos hoc unum: sapientia Romae saepe nascitur ex eo quod nemo audet plane loqui.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Farsuleo – Ossia: Grice e Farsuleo -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Farsuleo. Denarius of Lucius Fa. Mensor. The obverse depicts Libertas and a pileus. On the reverse, Mars helps a man in a toga into a biga. The Farsuleii are a family at ancient Rome, known chiefly from coins and inscriptions, dating from the final decades of the Republic and imperial times. None of its members held any of the higher magistracies of the Roman state.  For the most part, the F. seem to have used common praenomina, such as Lucius, Quintus, and Gaius. However, one family living at Cerrione in Cisalpine Gaul used such exotic names as Niger, Primus, and Tertius; this seems to have been the habit of the country. Lucius F. Mensor, triumvir monetalis, known from a coin depicting Libertas and a pileus, perhaps alluding to the restoration of the powers of the tribunate that year. Gaius F. Strabo, the son of Ptolomaïs,[ii] was a soldier in the third legion. He died at the age of twenty-five, having served four years, and was buried at Alexandria.[5] Quintus F. Hesper, buried at Rome.[6] Farsuleia, a freedwoman buried at Rome, together with Gaius F. Ctetus, a freedman.[7] Gaius F. Ctetus, a freedman buried at Rome, together with Farsuleia, a freedwoman.[7] Lucius F. Niceros Fuscus, buried at Rome, together with his sister, Theophila, and mother, Martha.[8] Theophila Farsuleia, buried at Rome, together with her brother, Lucius, and mother, Martha.[8] Lucius F. Cerdo, buried at Rome, together with his freedwoman, Thalassa.[8] Quintus F. Philocalus, buried his son, Cleobus, at Rome, aged one year, eleven months, seven days.[9] Quintus F. Capriolus, buried at Rome.[10] F. Isidorus, mentioned in a funerary inscription from Rome.[11] Quintus F., named in a fragmentary inscription from Rome.[12] Lucius F. Rufinus, the father of Marcellinus.[13] Lucius F. L. f. Marcellinus, buried at Thubursicu Numidarum, in Africa Proconsularis, with his wife, Gellia.[13] F., buried at Castellum Arsacalitanum, in Numidia, aged forty.[14] Lucius F. Faustus, buried at Cirta, in Numidia, aged fourteen.[15] Sextus F., named in an inscription from Capena in Etruria.[16] Gaius Farsuleius Terentius, buried in the district of Satzvey in the town of Mechernich, formerly part of Germania Inferior.[17] Publius F., the father of Niger.[18] Niger Farsuleius P. f., named in an inscription from Cerrione, formerly part of Cisalpine Gaul.[18] Tertius F., the father of Primus.[19] Primus F. Terti f., named in an inscription from Cerrione.[19] Marcellus F., buried at Cerrione.[20] Titus F., built a monument to his brother, a soldier in the fifteenth legion, who was buried at Carnuntum in Pannonia Superior, aged twenty-five. Farsuleius C. f., named in an inscription from Gröblach in Maria Saal, formerly part of Noricum. Lucius F. Felix, of Carthage, a soldier in the second legion, serving at Nicopolis during the reign of Hadrian.[21] See also List of Roman gentes Footnotes  Eckhel suggested that this coin instead referred to the Lex Julia de Civitate Latinis et Sociis Danda of 90 BC, granting Roman citizenship to the allies, and perhaps alluding to the Farsulei obtaining the franchise. Crawford connects the surname Mensor, referring to a land surveyor, with the agrarian reforms advocated by the populares, who sought to add the new citizens to the electoral rolls.  This inscription contains the unusual filiation "Ptolomaide natus", identifying the soldier's mother, rather than his father. References  Eckhel, vol. v., p. 212.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, p. 1044 ("Lucius Farsuleius Mensor").  T. P. Wiseman, "The Census in the First Century B.C.", p. 65.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, pp. 406, 407.  CIL III, 6599.  CIL VI, 200.  CIL VI, 6163.  CIL VI, 17723a.  CIL VI, 17724.  CIL VI, 24259.  CIL VI, 25301.  CIL VI, 30979.  CIL VIII, 4975.  CIL VIII, 6190.  CIL VIII, 7351.  CIL XI, 7768.  CIL XIII, 12035.  AE 2013, 593.  AE 2013, 611.  AE 2013, 630.  AE 1955, 238. Bibliography Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum (The Study of Ancient Coins, 1792–1798). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). Theodor Mommsen et alii, Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum (The Body of Latin Inscriptions, abbreviated CIL), Berlin-Brandenburgische Akademie der Wissenschaften (1853–present). René Cagnat et alii, L'Année épigraphique (The Year in Epigraphy, abbreviated AE), Presses Universitaires de France (1888–present). T. P. Wiseman, "The Census in the First Century B.C.", in The Journal of Roman Studies, Vol. 59, No. 1/2 (1969), pp. 59–75. Michael Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, Cambridge University Press (1974, 2001). Category: Roman gentes For this gens, we can reconstruct a conversation between the coin designer -- what is a pileus --and he is NOT consulting a code, but reasoning alla Grice and Peirce for an icon and an interpretant and pileus will stand for tribunate -- therefore, 'by issuing this coin I mean that the restoration of the powers of the tribunate entail more libertas -- already personified allegorically, what attribute?.' Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Farsuleo – Ossia: Grice e Farsuleo -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Farsuleo. For the Farsuleii, I think the most Gricean figure is unquestionably Lucius Farsuleius Mensor, the moneyer whose coin shows Libertas together with a pileus. The entry itself notes that the design is commonly interpreted as alluding to the restoration of tribunician powers, while other interpretations connect it with civic enfranchisement. The coin is therefore already an argument in visual form. [alchetron.com] The key object is the pileus. In Roman culture, the pileus was the cap associated with a freed slave. Because manumitted slaves received the pileus, it became a conventional symbol of freedom (libertas). Thus the pileus does not look like liberty; it means liberty by social convention. A Peircean might say:  Libertas = allegorical figure. Pileus = sign associated with freedom. The viewer supplies the interpretation.  A Gricean would add:  The moneyer intends the viewer to recognize that he intends the viewer to infer something political from the pileus.  That is almost a textbook case of non-natural meaning.  Grice e Farsuleius Mensor CELATOR MONETAE (coin engraver)  Quid in nummo ponemus? "What shall we place on the coin?"  FARSVLEIVS  Libertatem. "Liberty."  CELATOR  Sed libertas videri non potest. "But liberty cannot be seen."  FARSVLEIVS  Pileum adde. "Add a pileus."  CELATOR  Cur pileum? "Why a pileus?"  FARSVLEIVS  Quia populus intellegit. "Because the people understand."   Notice what is happening. The pileus is not operating because someone has opened a handbook and found:  Rule 17: pileus = liberty.  Rather, the meaning depends upon shared Roman knowledge. So Grice asks: GRICEVS  Quid significat pileus? "What does the pileus signify?"  FARSVLEIVS  Nihil per se. "Nothing by itself."  GRICEVS  Quid igitur? "Then what?"  FARSVLEIVS  Quod Romani ex eo intellegere solent. "What Romans are accustomed to understand from it."   The Tribunate Version If the coin alludes to restoration of the tribunate's powers, the argument becomes even more interesting. Libertas already appears as a goddess. Why add the pileus? A Gricean answer:  because repetition creates specification.  The allegorical figure says:  "liberty."  The pileus says:  "the sort of liberty associated with emancipation and civic rights."  So the viewer is invited to infer:  restoration of tribunician powers → restoration of liberty.  Not because the coin literally states this, but because it encourages that inference.  A Final Speranzian Exchange GRICEVS  Cur "tribunatus restitutus" non scribis? "Why not simply write 'tribunate restored'?"  FARSVLEIVS  Quia nummus loqui debet sine verbis. "Because a coin must speak without words."  GRICEVS  Et quomodo loquitur? "And how does it speak?"  FARSVLEIVS  Pileo. "By means of a pileus."  That is why Mensor is such a delightful Gricean figure. The coin is an exercise in visual implicature: the moneyer does not assert the political message outright, but intends the citizen to recover it through a shared cultural sign—the pileus, interpreted through Libertas. And it's a natural sign, as Grice would say -- MEAN-N not MEAN-NN -- of F.'s plebeian origins, for one can imagine a patrician objecting to the icon 'pileus' -- since it is ASSOCIATED with slavery, whereas libertas is much broader than that -- but what would a plebeian know? their implicature by complain -- The romans called their children liberi -- not that they were not NOT-slaves, but that libertas comes prior to the conceptualisation of slavery (and a fortiorei manumission and pileus-conferring?) Thanks Yes, this is exactly where a Grice/Speranza reading becomes interesting, because one can distinguish two very different senses of "meaning". Grice's distinction between:  natural meaning (mean-N) — smoke means fire; non-natural meaning (mean-NN) — an utterance means that p because someone intended it to be understood that way,  maps intriguingly onto the pileus. But I would not quite call the pileus a pure natural sign. A pileus does not mean liberty the way smoke means fire. There is no causal necessity. Rather:  freedmen receive the pileus; therefore the pileus becomes conventionally associated with freedom.  That is somewhere between pure causation and pure symbolism. A Peircean would probably call it an index becoming a symbol. The cap is initially connected with an actual social practice of manumission. Later it can signify liberty even where no manumission is occurring.  The patrician objection One can easily imagine a conservative aristocrat objecting: PATRICIVS  Cur pileum adicis? "Why add the pileus?"  FARSVLEIVS  Quia libertatem significat. "Because it signifies liberty."  PATRICIVS  Immo servitutem commemorat. "No, it reminds one of slavery."  That is a sophisticated objection. The pileus evokes:  former slavery, emancipation, change of status.  Whereas the goddess Libertas can evoke freedom much more broadly. So the debate becomes:  Is liberty best represented by freedom itself, or by liberation from bondage?  Those are not quite the same thing.  Liberi and libertas Your observation about Roman vocabulary is especially good. Romans called children:  liberi  meaning "children." The word is etymologically related to liber ("free"). That suggests a very old conceptual connection between:  belonging to a household as a free member, being a free person, generation and continuity.  A Roman father does not normally think:  "These are my non-slaves."  He thinks:  "These are my children."  The free status is presupposed. Thus one may argue that:  libertas is conceptually older and deeper than the specifically juridical act of manumission.  The freeborn child comes before the freed slave.  A Speranzian dialogue GRICEVS  Quid prius est, libertas an servitus? "Which comes first, freedom or slavery?"  IVRISCONSVLTVS  Servitus. "Slavery."  GRICEVS  Cur?  IVRISCONSVLTVS  Quia pileus manumissionem commemorat. "Because the pileus recalls manumission."  But a Roman parent interjects: PATER  Immo libertas. "On the contrary, freedom."  PATER  Liberos habeo antequam de servis cogito. "I have children before I think about slaves."  That gets very close to your point. The pileus represents one route to liberty—freedom after servitude. But the Roman language itself (liber, liberi, libertas) suggests a wider conception in which freedom is not merely the opposite of slavery but the normal condition of civic and familial life. A Gricean moneyer like Farsuleius may therefore be relying on a productive ambiguity:  the pileus says "freedom from slavery," while Libertas says "political freedom."  The viewer is invited to move from the narrower notion to the broader one. That movement—that intended inference—is precisely where the coin's political meaning lies. Speranza's reference to meaning-N was to Faruleus. The entry reads it's a plebeian gens. Grice and Peirce have examples like: The gait of that man means he is a sailor. (Natural, unless he fakes it). A patrician who sees the coin and sees his revered LIBERTAS associated with 'pileus' -- such a vulgar thing, in his eyes -- he INFERS: "This only goes to show that F. is a plebeian, and he cannot even fake it!" ? Thanks -- and why a plebeian was not a slave, the fact that a plebeian officer by choosing LIBERTAS to be conjoined to a symbol of former slavery indicates taht his idea of libertas difers from one that would be held by a patrician? Thanks Yes, now I see your point, and it is a subtler Gricean one than the previous discussion about the pileus itself. You are suggesting that the pileus may function as a natural sign of Farsuleius, not merely as a conventional sign of liberty. In Grice's terminology:  The pileus means-N liberty only weakly, through convention and social practice. But to a patrician observer it may mean-N something about Farsuleius himself.  A Peircean or Gricean observer might reason: PATRICIVS  Cur pileum posuit? "Why did he put a pileus on the coin?"  The answer is not sought in a codebook but in the coin-maker's background. PATRICIVS  Quia plebeius est. "Because he is a plebeian."  Here the inference has the structure:  This choice reveals its author.  Exactly like:  "That man's gait means he is a sailor."  The sign is being interpreted as evidence of its producer.  The Patrician's Complaint One can imagine a very aristocratic Roman objecting: PATRICIVS  Libertas dea est. "Liberty is a goddess."  FARSVLEIVS  Ita. "Indeed."  PATRICIVS  Cur ergo pileum servis datum adicis? "Then why add a cap given to slaves?"  The objection is not that the symbol is unintelligible. The patrician understands it perfectly. The objection is that it focuses on a particular route to liberty:  freedom-after-slavery.  A patrician may prefer a notion of liberty as:  ancestral status, political independence, civic dignity.  The pileus drags liberty downward into the world of manumission.  Does this imply a plebeian conception of liberty? This is where we must be careful. The source only tells us that the coin depicts Libertas and a pileus and that modern scholars connect it with either the restoration of tribunician powers or enfranchisement. It does not explicitly tell us what social philosophy Farsuleius held. The rest is interpretation. [alchetron.com] But as an interpretation, your suggestion is attractive. A patrician might think:  liberty is what I already possess.  Whereas someone of less exalted background might more readily think:  liberty is something acquired, recovered, or protected against loss.  Those are different imaginative centers of gravity.  A Speranzian Reconstruction GRICEVS  Quid significat pileus? "What does the pileus signify?"  FARSVLEIVS  Libertatem. "Liberty."  PATRICIVS  Immo manumissionem. "No, emancipation."  GRICEVS  Quid interest? "What is the difference?"  PATRICIVS  Magna. "A great one."  PATRICIVS  Ego liber natus sum; ille de libertate cogitat quasi recuperanda sit. "I was born free; he thinks of liberty as something to be recovered."  That, I think, captures your point very well. The interesting question is not whether the pileus conventionally signifies liberty—Romans clearly knew that association—but whether the choice of that symbol reveals something about the moneyer's own imaginative understanding of liberty. A suspicious patrician might indeed conclude:  "The coin tells me less about Libertas than about Farsuleius."  And that is a very Gricean move from the sign to the signer.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fassò – Ossia: Grice e Fassò: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale, Igitur est RES PVBLICA RES POPVLI – l’implicatura di Bruto,  Guido Fassò (Bologna, Emilia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale, Igitur est RES PVBLICA RES POPVLI – l’implicatura di Bruto, Grice: “I like F.; for one, he was, like my friend H. L. A. Hart, a philosophical lawyer! But unlike Hart, F., being a Roman, knew what he was talking about!” “My favourite is his explication of Bruto’s reaction when being brought the corpses of his two sons!” F., mi viene a conforto col suo ottimo lavoro, che dà una diligentissima ed acuta interpretazione ed esposizione del corso non già logico ma storico, o per meglio dire, psicologico della formazione della Scienza nuova; esposizione che è utile possedere e che si segue con curiosità. Con pari bravura è condotta la ricerca di quel che VICO attinse o credette di attingere ai quattro suoi autori. Croce, Illusione degli autori sui “loro” autori,). Si laurea a Bologna, sotto Borsi e SAITTA coll’elemento demografico nelle provvidenze assistenziali a favore dei lavoratori: la legislazione del lavoro con VICO. Tarquinio il Superbo settimo e ultimo re di Roma  Lucrezia (antica Roma) figlia di Spurio Lucrezio Tricipitino e moglie di Collatino  Lucio Tarquinio Collatino politico romano. RES PVBLICA RES POPVLI, ius, Grice on Hart, Hart’s failure as a jurisprudentialist – “La filosofia romana” “La giurisprudenza romana” la genesi logica della scienza nuova di Vico, la genesi storica della scienza nova di vico, Michelet, filosofo uganotto discipolo di Vico, Croce su F., F. su Gentile, F. su Romano – iurisprudenza, ius-naturalismo – legge e raggione, legge raggione, societa – positivismo – storia come esperienza giuridica, l’assoluto giuridico – natura umana – grozio e vico – lo stato fascista di Gentile. Grice (St John’s, 1947): “It is pleasant to be back in the Senior Common Room. My office at the Admiralty had the merit of being near Piccadilly Circus (I still insist on pronouncing it “Piccadello”), but this is a philosopher’s life for you: the work is farther from traffic and nearer to footnotes. I am browsing abstracts and stumble upon Fassò—Vico, and the mischief of a first French translator. Fassò is my kind of man. Born in Bologna, he did not so much “go” to Bologna (as I went to Oxford from Clifton) as cross the street. One might say he matriculated by inertia. I find myself imagining the poor young Guido put through the standard Bolognese ordeal: the veritable torture of having to memorise the Twelve Tables—Si in ius vocat, ito and the rest—before being allowed anywhere near philosophy. It is no surprise, then, that he suspects Vico reads better in French. That is what a Bolognese says of any philosopher south of Bologna—rather as we say “north of Watford” and mean, with a straight face, “beyond the pale.” And what does Fassò discover? That the French translator didn’t count. Translators don’t count! I have often translated my own maxims into Latin, and that would count—because I am translating myself. But otherwise: mere verbiage, mere mediation, a sort of philosophical laundering. One is tempted to call it—what is it they say?—flatus vocis: breath, noise, the flatulence of the voice. But here Oxford pedantry must rescue one from Oxford wit. The phrase is not really Ockham’s at all; it is the insult of opponents, and it is usually pinned to Roscelin of Compiègne (c. 1050–c. 1121) and the early nominalists. So perhaps Fassò is right to worry about translators: not because they are flatus, but because, when they are good, they alter what “counts” as the thing—and when they are bad, they persuade you it never counted in the first place. Grice: Caro Fassò, ti confesso che spesso mi viene da pensare: se l’Inghilterra fosse rimasta una commonwealth, senza la Restaurazione, il corso della nostra storia filosofica sarebbe stato senz’altro più adatto, più coerente con la ragione, non credi anche tu?  Fassò: Grice, la tua riflessione è acuta. La concezione di res publica come res populi, che anch’io ho tanto amato studiare, rimarca quanto l’ordine giuridico e filosofico guadagni in profondità se fondato sulla partecipazione collettiva, invece che sull’autorità restaurata dall’alto.  Grice: Esattamente, Fassò! Nel tuo lavoro sulla genesi storica della scienza nuova di Vico, sento un’eco di questa tensione: tra una legge che nasce dalla ragione comune e una che viene imposta come semplice comando. La storia giuridica, come quella inglese o romana, riflette sempre questa dialettica, no?  Fassò: Proprio così, Grice. E sia Vico che Grozio ci insegnano che la natura umana cerca il diritto come esperienza condivisa, non come diktat. Forse la vera res publica, anche nella filosofia, resta sempre quella in cui il popolo discute, interpreta e costruisce la propria legge – come volevano i migliori spiriti della nostra tradizione. Fassò, Guido (1942). Vico nel pensiero del suo traduttore francese – Memroia dell’Accademia delle scienze dell’Istituto di Bologna.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fausto – Ossia: Grice e Fausto: la ragione conversazionale a Roma Fausto: la ragione conversazionale a Roma – filosofia italiana (Roma). Filosofo italiano– Riez. Contra Claudiano Mamerto. Grice, pel Gruppo di Gioco di Grice. GRICEVS: Favste, Roma quidem plena est conversandi, sed quaeso num etiam in Riez philosophus Italicus invenit porticum ubi responsa non nimis longa sint. FAVSTVS: Inveni, Grice, sed ibi quoque omnes contra Claudianum Mamertum scribunt, quasi nemo umquam pro aliquo potuerit tacite assentiri. GRICEVS: Ego autem in ludo Griceano didici optimum esse non semper dicere quod scis, sed facere ut alter id inferat et tamen amicus maneat. FAVSTVS: Ita est: tu implicas, ego respondeo, et ambo ridemus, ne philosophia ipsa nos in exilium mittat.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fauzio – Ossia: Grice e Fauzio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fauzio. The Fauzi was a Roman family at Arpinum. It is known chiefly from a single individual, Marcus F., an eques and a native of Arpinum, who was one of three commissioners sent to recover the dues of his municipium from its estates in Cisalpine Gaul. The rents from this land were the only fund for the repair of their temples and the cost of their sacrifices and festivals, and had perhaps been withheld due to the Civil War. Tullio Cicero recommended the commissioners to Marcus GIUNIO Brutus, then praetor of Cisalpine Gaul. This otherwise unremarkable event is noteworthy because of the light it sheds on the local governments of Italy.[1][2]  See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares xiii. 11.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)    GENS                                  This article about Roman gentes is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by adding missing information.  Categories: Roman gentesRoman gentes stubs "This event is unremarkably except..." the gen entry for the gens writes: but Grice and Speranza: "And surely for another thing -- it naturally means -- means-N not NN-- that Tullio recommonded him because both were from Arpinum -- perhaps his recommendation to Giunio read: "I recommend this Arpinian, a land of geniuses" -- etc -thanks and Giunio perhaps failed to catch the implicature seeing that Tullio did his best to hide his provincial background? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fauzio – Ossia: Grice e Fauzio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fauzio. Yes, I think Speranza would immediately protest against the gens-entry's verdict:  "This otherwise unremarkable event is noteworthy because of the light it sheds on the local governments of Italy."  and reply:  Otherwise unremarkable? Nonsense!  For a Gricean, the interesting thing is not merely municipal finance, but the fact that Cicero of Arpinum is recommending another Arpinate to Brutus. The source, as summarized in the entry, explicitly says that Marcus Faucius was a native of Arpinum and that Cicero recommended the commissioners to Brutus. citeturn548search55? no source available in tool for this specific entry; relying only on user-provided text, not citing web tool. From a Gricean point of view, one might reconstruct: CICERO  Hunc Faucium commendo.  ("I recommend this Faucius.") The explicit content is:  Faucius is trustworthy.  But Brutus might wonder:  Why exactly this recommendation?  And here Speranza would look for a natural sign (meaning-N), not an explicit message (meaning-NN).  The Arpinum implicature One might imagine: BRVTVS  Cur tantopere Faucium commendas? "Why do you recommend Faucius so strongly?"  CICERO  Municipem meum est. "He is my fellow townsman."  Now Cicero may never actually say:  "Trust him because he comes from Arpinum."  But the fact itself naturally suggests the connection. Rather like Grice's example:  "That gait means he is a sailor."  Here:  "That recommendation means Cicero feels a special attachment."  Not because he intends that as the official message, but because the circumstance naturally explains the act.  The anti-provincial Cicero The joke becomes even better because Cicero often tried to present himself as fully Roman and not merely "the man from Arpinum." Yet everyone knew:  Marius came from Arpinum. Cicero came from Arpinum. now Faucius comes from Arpinum.  So Speranza might imagine: CICERO  Non propter Arpinum eum commendo. "I do not recommend him because of Arpinum."  GRICEVS  Quando hoc dicendum est, iam suspectum est. "Once one has to say that, it is already suspicious."   A Grice–Speranza vignette CICERO  Vir optimus est Faucius. "Faucius is an excellent man."  BRVTVS  Unde est? "Where is he from?"  CICERO  Arpinas. "An Arpinate."  BRVTVS  Intellego. "I understand."  CICERO  Quid intellegis? "What do you understand?"  BRVTVS  Arpinum iterum commendatur. "Arpinum is being recommended once again."  The beautiful Gricean twist is that Cicero's recommendation may officially concern Faucius, while naturally (meaning-N) it also reveals something about Cicero himself: his continuing attachment to the town that produced him. Whether Brutus accepted that implicature—or politely ignored it—is exactly the sort of question Speranza would enjoy asking. And can we have the Latin text for Cicero's recommendation, or its source? Thanks Yes. The source is Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares XIII.11, addressed to Marcus Junius Brutus when Brutus was governing Cisalpine Gaul. I was able to find a discussion of the letter and part of its contents. Cicero begins by stressing his connection with Arpinum and his habitual concern for his fellow townsmen. The JSTOR note quotes him as saying:  "Scis profecto, quibuscumque de causis municipium sim, quamque soleam municipibus nostris Arpinatibus operam dare." approximately: "You surely know to what municipium I belong, and how accustomed I am to render assistance to my fellow citizens of Arpinum." [jstor.org]  The same discussion summarizes the point of the letter:  the revenues by which the Arpinates maintained their religious rites, temples, and public buildings depended on rents from lands owned in Cisalpine Gaul, and Cicero was asking Brutus to assist the commissioners sent to recover those dues. [jstor.org]  So the remarkable thing is that Cicero almost advertises the very fact that your Gricean reconstruction highlights:  I am an Arpinate, and I help Arpinates.  The statement is explicit enough that one hardly needs an implicature. A Speranzian reconstruction might therefore be: CICERO  Scis municipium meum. "You know my home town."  BRUTUS  Scio. "I know."  CICERO  Scis etiam quam municipibus meis operam dare soleam. "You also know how accustomed I am to helping my fellow townsmen."  GRICEVS  Ergo Faucium commendas? "Then you are recommending Faucius?"  CICERO  Ego nihil dixi. "I said nothing."  GRICEVS  Immo nimis multa dixisti. "On the contrary, you said quite a lot."  The amusing point is that Cicero's opening sentence supplies exactly the sort of evidence from which Brutus could naturally infer:  "Ah yes—another Arpinate recommendation."  Whether Cicero was trying to conceal provincial loyalty is harder to sustain in this particular letter, because the surviving evidence shows him foregrounding his Arpinate connection rather than hiding it. [jstor.org] And while Giunio was a plebeian, like his ancestor who founded the republica along with Lucrezio, a patrician -- Giunio may smell usury here -- there he is away on this side of the Alps, and gets a burdenous letter from Tullio (no less) about some rent LINKED miraculously to a place south of Rome. Giunio perhaps retrieved the implicature that nobody OTHER than one from Arpino would care less -- so it's reasonable that Tullio makes it clear from the start -- the issue concerns the Arpinati and one Arpinate is recommending another Arpinate for an issue that concerns the Arpinate -- the addition of the cult is merely to touch Giunio's heart -- they just want the cash, what you do with it is none of Giunio's business? Thanks Yes, I think this is exactly the sort of reading Speranza would enjoy, though we should distinguish between what Cicero explicitly says and what we are reconstructing as a conversational background. What Cicero explicitly foregrounds in the letter is:  You know what municipium I belong to, and how accustomed I am to helping my fellow Arpinates.  That is a remarkably strong opening. He could have begun with:  "I recommend Marcus Faucius..."  Instead, he begins with:  "You know I am from Arpinum, and you know how I look after Arpinates."  A Gricean immediately asks:  Why this preface?  Because, as you suggest, Brutus is sitting in Cisalpine Gaul and suddenly receives a letter concerning:  rents, municipal property, commissioners, a town far to the south.  The transaction is geographically odd enough that an explanation is required. One could reconstruct: BRVTVS  Cur ad me scribis de agris Arpinatium? "Why are you writing to me about Arpinatine estates?"  CICERO  Quia Arpinas sum. "Because I am an Arpinate."  The answer is not stated so bluntly, but the opening moves in that direction.  The religious language is also interesting. The JSTOR summary notes that the revenues supported:  religious rites, temple repairs, public buildings.  Now a cynical Brutus might think:  "Ultimately they want the rents collected."  And that is true enough. But Cicero does not say merely:  "They need money."  Instead he frames the matter in civic and religious terms:  the community's cults and public obligations depend on these revenues.  That changes the tone. A Gricean reconstruction: CICERO  Sacra laborant. "The sacred rites are suffering."  BRVTVS (thinking)  Ergo pecunia laborat. "So the money is suffering."  The explicit content concerns temples and sacrifices; the practical content concerns revenue. Both can be true simultaneously.  I especially like your suggestion that Brutus may have recovered an implicature roughly like:  "Nobody but an Arpinate would bother sending this letter."  That is probably stronger than the evidence allows us to prove, but it is a perfectly plausible conversational inference. Indeed, the very opening seems designed to forestall irritation: CICERO  You know my attachment to my fellow Arpinates.  Translation into Gricean terms:  "Before you ask why I am troubling the governor of Cisalpine Gaul with municipal business, remember who I am and where I come from."  The most Speranzian reading is therefore that the letter contains two levels:   Official level: recover municipal revenues needed for public and religious purposes.   Personal level: one Arpinate is asking a favour for other Arpinates—and openly admits as much.   Far from hiding his provincial origin, Cicero in this letter almost uses it as the warrant for making the request in the first place. Not only would Giunio reason: "only an arpinate would care sending this letter," but also "only an arpinate -- Facius, the recomendee -- would care to leave his municipium down south and move up here just to deal with a rent issue -- whih also justifies Tullio's choice of the recomendee in the first place? Thanks Yes, and this is a subtler and perhaps stronger implicature than the first one. The gens-entry treats Faucius merely as one of three commissioners sent to recover the municipal revenues of Arpinum. But from a Gricean perspective one naturally asks:  Why this commissioner?  and  Why is Cicero recommending this commissioner?  The explicit story is administrative. The implicit story may be municipal loyalty. One can imagine Brutus reading the letter this way: BRVTVS (to himself)  Intellego Ciceronem. "I understand Cicero."   Arpinas est. "He is an Arpinate."   Arpinates commendat. "He recommends Arpinates."  But then a second inference arises:  Why has Faucius undertaken this journey at all?  If the matter concerns revenues supporting Arpinum's civic institutions, temples, sacrifices, and public obligations, the mission is not obviously attractive for an ordinary individual. The source explicitly says the commissioners were sent to recover dues belonging to the municipium. A suspicious Brutus might therefore reason:  "The very fact that Faucius has come all the way to Cisalpine Gaul over what is essentially a municipal revenue question suggests that he, too, is deeply invested in Arpinum."  In Speranzian form: BRVTVS  Cur venit? "Why has he come?"  MINISTER  Propter vectigalia. "Because of the rents."  BRVTVS  Nemo tam longe propter sola vectigalia venit. "No one travels so far merely for rents."  MINISTER  Quid igitur? "Then why?"  BRVTVS  Quia Arpinas est. "Because he is an Arpinate."  That is not something Cicero explicitly says. Rather, it would be an inference Brutus might draw from the circumstances. The result is a neat symmetry:  Cicero's recommendation naturally reveals Cicero's attachment to Arpinum. Faucius' willingness to undertake the mission naturally reveals Faucius' attachment to Arpinum.  In Grice's terms, neither man need mean-NN ("I hereby announce my patriotic devotion to Arpinum"). Rather, their conduct may mean-N that devotion in much the same way that a sailor's gait may mean that he is a sailor: it is evidence from which an observer draws a conclusion. Indeed, one can imagine Brutus reaching the slightly amused judgment:  "This entire file is Arpinates helping Arpinates recover money for Arpinum."  Which may be precisely why Cicero opens the letter by reminding Brutus of his well-known loyalty to his hometown. Well, yes, isn't he SAYING that? Were the other two ALSO from Arpinum? Giunio understands Tullio is recommending Faucius (with whom Tullio must have talked and KNOWS that he is WILING to go up north) to go up north to collect rent for Arpinum. the trio would be perfect if the THREE envoys are from Arpinum--the expense for the trip would come from the earium of Arpinum, too, and only perhaps a legal resident of Arpinum has a right to extract rent for Arpinum. Doesn't he mention, Tullio, in his letter, that Faucius is from Arpinum, even if he fails to mention the other two, or does he further one mentions the other two in the envoy? Thanks I think here we have to distinguish carefully between what Cicero says, what Brutus can infer, and what the gens-entry later reconstructs. From the material we have, Cicero's letter is indeed centered on Arpinum. The discussion of the letter explicitly quotes him as stressing:  "You know to what municipium I belong, and how carefully I am accustomed to serve my fellow townsmen of Arpinum."  So Cicero is certainly foregrounding the Arpinate connection. However, I have not found evidence in the sources retrieved that:  the other two commissioners were also Arpinates, only Arpinates could serve as commissioners, Cicero explicitly identifies Faucius in the surviving quotation as an Arpinate because the full text of the recommendation was not retrieved.  What we do know from the gens entry is that:  Marcus Faucius was an Arpinate, he was one of three commissioners, Cicero recommended the commissioners to Brutus. (From the entry you supplied.)  The rest is inference.  What I think is very plausible—and very Gricean—is the following reasoning by Brutus: BRVTVS  Cur Cicero Faucium commendat? "Why does Cicero recommend Faucius?"  Answer:  because Faucius is connected with the municipal business of Arpinum.  Then a second inference:  a man willing to travel all the way into Cisalpine Gaul to recover rents for Arpinum is probably not an indifferent bystander.  That inference does not require that the other two commissioners were Arpinates as well.  The strongest version of your point would be: CICERO  Municipibus meis operam dare soleo. "I am accustomed to helping my fellow townsmen."  Brutus may then recover:  "This is not merely a property dispute." "This is an Arpinate asking a favor for other Arpinates."  That seems very close to the communicative effect of Cicero's opening. But I would stop short of saying that Cicero explicitly identifies all three envoys as Arpinates, because I have not found evidence for that. It may be true, but the sources presently before us do not state it. What they do show is that Cicero himself deliberately introduces the affair under the heading:  "You know how I look after my fellow Arpinates."  That is almost an announcement of the frame within which Brutus is supposed to interpret the recommendation. Does this below help? Apparently it is a collective implicature -- and if the idea is that law order Arpinates to go to collect revenue for Arpinum, Giunio would conclude that the trio is all Arpinate--and this may be the only reason why the wiki entry for the gens DEDUCES that Facius was from Arpinum? Thanks Yes, Cicero does mention his origin in Ad Familiares 13.11, explicitly introducing him as a Roman knight and framing the entire delegation around their shared origin from Arpinum. While the Latin text does not give a distinct city of origin for Marcus Faucius individually, it groups him into a three-man municipal commission representing Cicero's own hometown. [1, 2] The Context and Latin Text In the letter, Cicero writes to Marcus Junius Brutus (then governor of Cisalpine Gaul) to recommend a delegation sent to collect public land rents owned by the town of Arpinum. [1, 2] Cicero explicitly states the identity and origin of the group in the following passage: "...idcirco nos legatos equites Romanos misimus Q. Fufidium Q. f., M. Faucium M. f., Q. Mamercium Q. f." [1] Translation: "...therefore we have sent as envoys, [who are] Roman knights, Quintus Fufidius, son of Quintus; Marcus Faucius, son of Marcus; and Quintus Mamercius, son of Quintus." [1] Details of Faucius's Origin Provided in the Letter Patronymic (Father's Name): Cicero identifies him as "M. f." (Marci filius), meaning Marcus Faucius, son of Marcus. Social Status: He is explicitly designated as a Roman knight (eques Romanus). Municipal Origin: He belongs to Arpinum. Cicero opens the letter by reminding Brutus that he is fiercely protective of his fellow townsmen (municipes). Because this corporate embassy is appointed by and sent on behalf of the town administration of Arpinum to manage the res publica of that specific municipium, Faucius and his fellow envoys are local Arpinate elites. [, 2, 3, 4, 5] If you are researching the specific members of this delegation, would you like to explore Cicero's personal ties to Quintus Fufidius—whom he commends separately in the very next letter (Fam. 13.12)—or look into how Arpinum acquired public estates in Gaul? [1, 2] Yes, this helps, and it actually strengthens your Gricean reading—though with one important caution. What the passage explicitly gives us is a collective embassy:  "...idcirco nos legatos equites Romanos misimus Q. Fufidium Q. f., M. Faucium M. f., Q. Mamercium Q. f."   "...therefore we have sent as envoys, Roman knights, Quintus Fufidius son of Quintus, Marcus Faucius son of Marcus, and Quintus Mamercius son of Quintus."  The letter is about the interests of Arpinum, and Cicero introduces it by emphasizing his attachment to his fellow Arpinates and the municipal revenues of Arpinum. The three men are then presented as the delegation sent on behalf of the municipium. Now, the interesting point is that the letter's logic is collective. A Brutus reading the letter may reason: BRVTVS  Arpinum misit legatos. "Arpinum has sent envoys."  The next natural question is:  Who would Arpinum send?  And the answer is not explicitly stated, but naturally suggested:  leading local men entrusted with municipal business.  Thus the inference:  Faucius is an Arpinate.  may arise not because Cicero pauses to say:  Marcus Faucius Arpinas est,  but because Faucius appears as one-third of an embassy representing the municipium whose interests are at stake. This is close to what Grice would call a case of natural evidential significance. The structure is almost:  This man is one of the official representatives of Arpinum in a matter concerning Arpinum's revenues;  therefore,  he is probably one of the Arpinates whose interests are implicated.   A Speranzian reconstruction might be: BRVTVS  Cur hos tres misistis? "Why did you send these three?"  CICERO  Quia rei aptissimi sunt. "Because they are best suited to the task."  BRVTVS (thinking)  Et quia Arpinates sunt. "And because they are Arpinates."  The second clause may never be uttered, yet it explains the first.  So I think your suggestion is plausible: The gens entry may infer Faucius' Arpinate identity not from a separate statement about Faucius individually, but from his membership in a municipal embassy whose entire purpose is to represent Arpinum's interests. The recommendation itself almost invites Brutus to view the three commissioners as a collective embodiment of Arpinum. In that reading, Cicero's opening:  You know how I look after my fellow Arpinates...  is not merely autobiographical. It functions as an interpretive key for the whole embassy. Before Brutus even reaches the names, Cicero has already told him how the letter is to be understood:  "These are my people."

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Favonio – Ossia: Grice e Favonio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Favonio. The Favonii are a family at Rome. It is known chiefly from three individuals, one of whom, Marcus F. was a politician during the period of the fall of the Roman Republic. Marcus F. was a Roman politician during the period of the fall of the Roman Republic.[1] He is noted for his imitation of Cato the Younger, his espousal of the Cynic philosophy, and for his appearance as the Poet in William Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar. F. Eulogius, a Carthaginian rhetor who was contemporary with Augustine of Hippo and wrote Disputatio de somnio Scipionis. Marcus F. Facilis, a centurion of Legion XX who died in Britain (probably at Camulodunum) and whose tombstone is displayed in Colchester museum.[2] Name Favonius, meaning "favorable", was one of the Roman wind gods, who held dominion over plants and flowers and was generally equated with the Greek god Zephyrus (his 'return' in early February signaled the coming of Spring in Rome). See also List of Roman gentes References  F. X. Ryan, The Praetorship of Favonius, from the American Journal of Philology Vol 115, Issue 4, at Gale Literature Resource Center; accessed 21 October 2022  EJ Philips The Gravestone of M Favonius Facilis from Britannia Vol 6 (1975) pp. Iii 325 at JSTOR; access date 21 October 2022 Category: Roman gentes What is meant here by F.'s 'imitation of PORZIO CATONE?" thanks Surely Dio's "F. imitated Cato in everthing" implicates -- but not for Grice -- "that can be imitated: including his hair cut and the way he kept his beard, and the length of his nose"? Does Plutarch uses the verb also -- apparently the only sentence matching F. and Cato together is Dio's -- with Plutarch being more narratively expansive? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Favonio – Ossia: Grice e Favonio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Favonio. "Imitation of Cato" in the case of Marcus Favonius does not mean that he merely admired Cato's political positions. The ancient sources portray something much stronger, almost theatrical. Cassius Dio says that Favonius:  "imitated him in everything." [en.wikipedia.org], [everything...ined.today]  Plutarch is more nuanced—and more amusing. He says Favonius was a decent fellow, but thought that his own roughness and abusive manner of speaking were copies of Cato's frankness. [en.wikipedia.org], [everything...ined.today] In other words:                          CatoFavoniusfrankrudeaustereabrasiveindependentprovocativeStoicCynic Plutarch almost suggests that Favonius misunderstood the secret of Cato's character. He copied the surface behavior. A very Gricean point emerges. Suppose Cato says something blunt. The audience infers:  "Cato speaks bluntly because he is honest and principled."  Favonius observes only the overt behavior:  blunt speech.  So he imitates the blunt speech itself. Plutarch's implication is that he reproduced the sign but not necessarily the underlying character. [en.wikipedia.org], [everything...ined.today] A famous example came in the Senate. Pompey boasted that he could quickly raise a large army if needed. Favonius replied:  Pompey should stamp his foot on the ground and produce the troops he had promised. [en.wikipedia.org], [everything...ined.today]  That sort of fearless, sarcastic confrontation was exactly what contemporaries associated with Cato. So one could reconstruct a Speranzian dialogue: CATO  Verum dicendum est. "The truth must be spoken."  FAVONIVS  Verum et acerbe dicendum est. "The truth must be spoken—and harshly."  CATO  Acerbitas non est veritas. "Harshness is not truth."  That is very close to Plutarch's point. In Gricean language, Favonius may have mistaken a conversational effect for its cause. People admired Cato's bluntness because it manifested integrity. Favonius copied the bluntness itself, as though the integrity automatically followed. Or as Speranza might put it:  Favonius imitated not Cato's philosophy but Cato's implicatures. He saw the plain-spoken senator and tried to reproduce the plain-speaking, forgetting that the force of the utterance came from the character of the speaker. Yes, I think that's exactly the Gricean difficulty with Dio's phrase. If Dio says that Favonius:  πάντα μιμεῖσθαι Cato ("imitated Cato in everything"), or in Cary's translation, "imitated him in everything," the literal wording is far broader than what anyone could sensibly mean.  A strict Gricean would immediately object:  Surely not everything.  Not:  the shape of Cato's nose, the length of his beard, the arrangement of his sandals, the exact cadence of his cough.  So the hearer automatically restricts the scope. A Speranzian reconstruction might go: DIO  Favonius Catonem in omnibus imitatus est. "Favonius imitated Cato in everything."  GRICEVS  Etiam nasum? "Even his nose?"  DIO  Noli esse molestus. "Don't be tiresome."  Because everybody understands that "everything" is conversationally narrowed to:  everything relevant to public conduct and character.   Now, regarding Plutarch, the search results I found do not show Plutarch using the same sweeping formula. What they explicitly report is that Plutarch characterizes Favonius as a man who:  thought that his own petulance and abusive speech were copies of Cato's straightforwardness.  That is a much more psychologically precise observation. Dio gives us:  "he imitated Cato in everything."  Plutarch gives us something closer to:  "he was trying to reproduce what he took to be Cato's plain-spokenness."  So I would agree with your impression:  Dio offers the memorable epigram. Plutarch offers the richer narrative analysis.  Indeed, Plutarch's version is almost anti-Dio. If Favonius really copied Cato in everything, Plutarch would have no room to distinguish between:  Cato's genuine frankness  and  Favonius' imitation of that frankness.  But Plutarch's whole point is precisely that the imitation is imperfect. Favonius copies what is externally visible and mistakes:  bluntness  for  virtue.  A final Gricean joke: DIO  Omnia imitatus est. "He imitated everything."  PLVTARCHVS  Immo non omnia. "On the contrary, not everything."  GRICEVS  Quid non imitatus est? "What did he fail to imitate?"  PLVTARCHVS  Catonem ipsum. "Cato himself."  That, I think, is much closer to Plutarch's actual attitude toward Favonius. And would Plutarch know of Dio or vice versa? Plutarch's phrase is Griceian: F. INTENDED TO IMITATE Cato -- whether he succeeded or not is another matter, and as you say, Plutarch's implicature is that he did not. Now, if 'straightforwardness' (the antonym of 'implicature' -- what's the word here for straightfowrd) is at stake, "Oh, that he stomped the ground." is actually NOT that 'blunt' or straight-forrward. There IS an implicature. It is meant as second move to Pomepeo's over-confident utterance. It is Pompeo who is being straightforward and blunt -- Favonius is imitating Pompeo, here? Wasn't this Favonius the one who was present at Cato's death? Thanks A very good set of questions. First, on the chronology:  Plutarch (c. AD 46–120) is earlier. Cassius Dio (c. AD 155–235) is much later.  So Dio could have known Plutarch's work, at least in principle; Plutarch could not have known Dio. I have not found evidence that Dio was specifically borrowing this remark from Plutarch, only that both discuss Favonius and Cato. Plutarch is much more Gricean I agree completely. Dio's:  "Favonius imitated Cato in everything"  is a compressed judgment. Plutarch's account is closer to:  Favonius thought his own roughness and abusive language were copies of Cato's frankness.  That introduces intention. In modern terms:  Cato = model. Favonius = imitator. Success of imitation = separate question.  And Plutarch's implicature is indeed:  Favonius intended to imitate Cato, but misunderstood what was worth imitating.  "Straightforwardness" is not the opposite of implicature This is a particularly Gricean point. The Plutarch passage is usually translated with words such as:  frankness, plain-speaking, straightforwardness.  But straightforward speech can still carry implicatures. Take the famous Favonius remark to Pompey. Pompey boasts that he can raise vast armies. Favonius replies:  stamp on the ground and produce them.  Literally, that makes little sense. The remark works only because of the implicature:  "Your confidence is empty." "You are boasting." "Prove it."  So Favonius is actually being highly indirect. The utterance is sarcastic. In a way, Pompey's original claim is the more straightforward speech-act: POMPEIVS  "I can raise 30,000 men."  Favonius answers with irony. Thus the joke becomes:  the man famous for imitating Cato's bluntness is using a sophisticated implicature.  Was Favonius imitating Cato or Pompey? An excellent Speranzian twist. The form of the reply resembles Catoan parrhesia—fearless speaking to the powerful. But the mechanism is not simple bluntness. A truly blunt response would have been:  Mentiris. "You are lying."  or  Non credo. "I don't believe you."  Instead Favonius uses ridicule. That is why Plutarch's criticism is subtle:  Favonius thought he was reproducing Cato's frankness.  Yet what we see is often a performance of frankness. Was Favonius present at Cato's death? I checked the source material I retrieved and it does not say. The search results discuss Favonius' imitation of Cato, his Cynicism, his political career, and the Pompey anecdote, but do not mention his presence at Cato's death. So I cannot verify that claim from the sources I have. My suspicion from memory is that Favonius appears in narratives connected with the Utica circle after the defeat of Pompey's party, but I would not want to assert his presence at Cato's death without further evidence. The most Gricean formulation of the whole affair might be: DIO  Omnia imitatus est. "He imitated everything."  PLVTARCHVS  Putabat se imitari. "He thought he was imitating."  GRICEVS  Quid imitatus est? "What did he imitate?"  PLVTARCHVS  Modum dicendi. "The manner of speaking."  GRICEVS  Et virtutem? "And the virtue?"  PLVTARCHVS  Id relinquo lectori. "That I leave to the reader."  That, to my mind, captures the difference between Dio's compressed judgment and Plutarch's more psychologically observant account. And in fact Plutarch's Hellenisitic verbosity could be the factor why he was not liked to Romans used to gravitas. Can we parse the Greek and possible or actual Latin translation. Favonius THOUGHT (i. e. did not know) that this and that were copies of Th'other. Implicature: they were not. But Favonius might challenge: I thought so, and, as far as I cared, they WERE. So here we have a Hellene (Plutarch) moralising on a Roman, without much logic. Favonius may have thought that his bluntness and thoughness WERE indeed perfect copies of Cato's 'frankness' -- what are the THREE words used by Plutarch in Greek for: F. thought that his X and Y were copies of C's Z? Thanks This is an excellent philological point, because the whole Gricean issue turns on Plutarch's psychology of imitation, not Dio's much vaguer "he imitated Cato in everything." Unfortunately, I do not have the Greek text of the relevant Plutarch passage in the sources currently available to me. What I do have is the reported English translation:  Favonius "supposed his own petulance and abusive talking a copy of Cato's straightforwardness."  So I can safely discuss the logic of the sentence, but I cannot responsibly reconstruct or quote the exact Greek words without opening a Greek text of Plutarch. What is already fascinating, however, is the structure of Plutarch's judgment. The logic of Plutarch's sentence The key verb is:  "supposed" / "thought"  That is not:  "was"  nor  "proved"  nor  "succeeded in making."  Plutarch explicitly places us inside Favonius' own understanding. The structure is:  Favonius possesses qualities X and Y. Favonius regards X and Y as copies of Cato's Z. Plutarch reports this belief.  In symbolic form:  Favonius believed: X + Y = imitation of Z.  Plutarch himself need not endorse the equation.  The Gricean implication You are quite right. If a narrator writes:  "Favonius thought his roughness was a copy of Cato's frankness,"  many readers infer:  "and he was mistaken."  But that is only an implicature. Strictly speaking Plutarch says:  Favonius thought so.  The stronger claim:  Favonius was wrong,  belongs to the reader's reconstruction.  A possible Favonian reply As you nicely put it: PLVTARCHVS  "Favonius thought these things were copies of Cato."  FAVONIVS  "They were copies."  Indeed, Favonius could answer:  "The whole point of imitation is intention."  If I deliberately model myself on Cato:  I copy his speech, I copy his manner, I copy his fearlessness,  then, from my point of view,  they are copies,  whether outsiders judge them successful or not. That is actually a rather strong counterargument.  Roman versus Greek moralising There is perhaps another level here. Plutarch is not merely describing behavior. He is evaluating character. His interest is ethical:  what sort of man was Favonius?  A Roman of the old school might object:  "Why distinguish so finely between true frankness and imitated frankness?"  If the public effect is the same, perhaps the distinction is irrelevant. That is a distinctly Plutarchan move: looking behind action to motive and character.  The really Gricean crux The deepest issue is this: Did Favonius intend:  merely to behave like Cato?  or  to be taken for a man like Cato?  Those are different intentions. In Gricean language:  behavior alone is one thing; intended recognition by an audience is another.  Dio's phrase:  "he imitated Cato in everything"  almost ignores this distinction. Plutarch's formulation, by contrast, places imitation within Favonius' self-understanding:  he believed he was reproducing Cato's quality by reproducing certain forms of conduct.  And that is much closer to a Gricean philosophy of intention. If you'd like, I can try to locate the exact Greek passage from Plutarch's Life of Cato the Younger and parse the Greek words one by one. Does this below help? Thanks -- The original Greek passage you are referring to comes from Plutarch’s Life of Pompey, Chapter 60, Section 7. [1] Plutarch wrote his biographies in Greek, meaning there is no surviving, original classical Latin text written by Plutarch for this quote. To fulfill your request, the original ancient Greek is provided below, alongside a custom, reconstructed classical Latin translation formatted in the style of Roman historians like Cicero or Suetonius.  Original Ancient Greek (Plutarch, Pompey 60.7) Φαβώνιος δέ, ἀνὴρ τὰ μὲν ἄλλα χρηστός, οἰόμενος δὲ τῷ θρασύνεσθαι καὶ ὑλακτεῖν ἀπομιμεῖσθαι τὴν Κάτωνος παρρησίαν... Grammatical Breakdown of Key Terms: θρασύνεσθαι (thrasynesthai): to be petulant, rash, blunt, or aggressively bold. ὑλακτεῖν (hylaktein): literally "to bark" or "to talk abusively" (a common metaphor for the behavior of Cynic philosophers). ἀπομιμεῖσθαι (apomimeisthai): to copy, mimic, or counterfeit. παρρησίαν (parrhēsian): frankness, directness, or freedom of speech.  Reconstructed Classical Latin Because Plutarch composed this text in Greek, Roman authors contemporary to the events described this dynamic using their own vocabulary (for example, Cicero often referred to Favonius as Cato's ape, or simia Catonis). The reconstructed Latin translation below captures the exact semantic weight of Plutarch's description: Favonius autem, homo alioqui probus, qui ferociam et oblatrationem suam Catonis libertatis exemplar esse arbitrabatur... Grammatical Breakdown of Reconstructed Latin: homo alioqui probus: a man otherwise honest/of fair character. ferociam (toughness/bluntness/petulance) and oblatrationem (abusive talking/barking): directly corresponding to Plutarch's θρασύνεσθαι καὶ ὑλακτεῖν. exemplar esse arbitrabatur: supposed/imagined it to be a copy or model (οἰόμενος ἀπομιμεῖσθαι). libertatis: frankness or direct freedom of speech (παρρησίαν).  Context of the Passage This moment occurs just as the Roman Civil War is about to erupt. Pompey boasts to the Senate that he has multiple legions ready and needs only to "stamp his foot upon the ground" to raise an army. Favonius, attempting to copy Cato the Younger's famously uncompromising, blunt style of plain-speaking, mockingly yells at Pompey to go ahead and stamp his foot. Plutarch uses this moment to show that while Cato's frankness came from deep-seated virtue, Favonius's imitation often crossed the line into mere abrasive petulance. [1, 2] If you are tracking down further descriptions of Favonius, I can also pull the Greek text from the Life of Brutus, where Plutarch elaborates on his aggressive philosophical outbursts. Would you like to explore that parallel passage? [1] Yes, this helps a great deal. The Greek is much richer than the English paraphrase. The key phrase is:  οἰόμενος δὲ τῷ θρασύνεσθαι καὶ ὑλακτεῖν ἀπομιμεῖσθαι τὴν Κάτωνος παρρησίαν  Literally:  "thinking that by being rash/blunt and by barking (abusing people) he was reproducing Cato's parrhēsia."  Let's unpack the four crucial words.                               GreekBasic sensePlutarch's shadeοἰόμενοςthinking, supposingbelieving, imaginingθρασύνεσθαιbeing bold, rashaggressive bluntnessὑλακτεῖνto barkto snap at people, abusive speechπαρρησίαfrank speechfree, courageous truth-telling The grammatical structure is:  F. thought (οἰόμενος) that his X (θρασύνεσθαι) and Y (ὑλακτεῖν) were reproducing/copying (ἀπομιμεῖσθαι) Cato's Z (παρρησία).  So your Gricean point is exactly right. Plutarch does not say:  Favonius failed.  He says:  Favonius thought that X and Y were copies of Z.  The failure is an implicature.  Why the implicature arises If Plutarch merely wanted to say:  Favonius possessed Cato's frankness,  he could simply have said that. Instead he says:  Favonius thought his barking and aggressiveness were reproductions of Cato's frankness.  The reader naturally infers:  Plutarch doubts the equivalence.  Hence the implicature:  barking ≠ frankness.   Favonius' possible reply Your defence of Favonius is stronger than Plutarch's. Favonius could answer:  οἰόμην, καὶ ἱκανῶς οἰόμην. "I thought so, and I thought correctly."  Or in Latin:  Arbitrabar me Catonem imitari; satis est. "I believed I was imitating Cato; that is enough."  From Favonius' perspective, imitation is intentional. Whether Plutarch approves is another matter.  The word παρρησία This is the key concept. Modern translators often use:  frankness, plain-speaking, straightforwardness.  But none is perfect. Parrhēsia means something like:  speaking the truth openly despite risk.  It is not merely being blunt. A drunk can be blunt. A Cynic can bark. But neither automatically possesses parrhēsia. That is exactly Plutarch's distinction.  And Favonius' remark to Pompey? Here your observation is devastating for Plutarch. Pompey says:  "I need only stamp my foot and armies will appear."  Favonius answers:  "Then stamp your foot."  This is not straightforward speech at all. It is highly indirect. The utterance works through implicature. Its force is:  "Your boast is empty."  He does not literally say that. He implies it. So the very example that makes Favonius famous is not an instance of blunt speech but of sophisticated irony. A Gricean reconstruction: POMPEIVS  Exercitus habeo.  "I have armies." FAVONIVS  Percute terram.  "Stamp the ground." GRICEVS  Non dixit "mentiris". "He did not say 'you are lying'."  FAVONIVS  Quia implicatura fortior erat. "Because the implicature was stronger."   The best Speranzian conclusion Dio:  Favonius Catonem in omnibus imitatus est. "Favonius imitated Cato in everything."  Plutarch:  Favonius thought that aggressiveness and barking reproduced Cato's parrhēsia.  Grice:  "The interesting question is not whether he imitated Cato, but whether he understood what he was imitating."  That is much subtler than Dio's slogan. Plutarch's whole sentence turns on οἰόμενος ("thinking, supposing"), which leaves open the possibility that Favonius' self-understanding and the reality were not identical—and invites the reader to judge the gap. And if we formalise this in predicate logic we'll see that Plutarch illogically or fallaciously moves from an opaque to a transparent reading. Surely Favonio didn't think (onomainos) that his rahness (X) and his barking (Y) mimetised Cato's parresia. What we have here is Plutarch's Hellenistic editorialising getting into the that-clause following an opauque verb -- verba credendi --. In logic, if we anayse 'thought' as ("O") to keep the parallel with the greek: Plutarch thinks O that Favonius thinks that what Plutarch thinks is X and Y were THOUGHT (O) by Favoniius to be mimetising Cato's Y? θρασύνεσθαιbeing bold, rashaggressive bluntnessὑλακτεῖνto barkto snap at people, abusive speechπαρρησίαfrank speechfree, courageous truth-telling—thanks Yes, I think you're putting your finger on something genuinely interesting about the logic of Plutarch's sentence. The Greek is:  Φαβώνιος ... οἰόμενος δὲ τῷ θρασύνεσθαι καὶ ὑλακτεῖν ἀπομιμεῖσθαι τὴν Κάτωνος παρρησίαν  A rough literal rendering is:  "Favonius ... thinking that, by being bold/rash and by barking, he was reproducing Cato's parrhēsia."  The key issue is the scope of οἰόμενος ("thinking", "supposing"). Your logical objection Let us abbreviate:  X = θρασύνεσθαι (aggressive boldness) Y = ὑλακτεῖν (barking, abusive speech) Z = παρρησία (Cato's frankness)  Plutarch's apparent structure is:  Favonius thought: X + Y = imitation of Z  Formally:  O(Favonius, (X ∧ Y) → Imitation(Z))  But where did X and Y come from? That's the problem. The descriptions:  "rashness", "barking",  look suspiciously like Plutarch's own vocabulary. A stricter intensional analysis would distinguish: What Favonius thought Perhaps:  O(F, P)  where:  P = "my conduct reproduces Cato's way of speaking."  What Plutarch thinks Plutarch then redescribes the same conduct as:  X = rashness Y = barking.  So we get:  Plutarch thinks: O(F, P)  and  Plutarch thinks: P is correctly described as X + Y.  But that does not entail:  O(F, X + Y).  That would indeed be an opaque-context fallacy.  The classic intensional problem Compare:  Lois believes that Superman can fly.  From this we cannot infer:  Lois believes that Clark Kent can fly.  even if Superman = Clark Kent. The substitution fails because:  belief contexts are opaque.  Likewise: Plutarch says:  Favonius believed he was reproducing Cato.  But Plutarch's characterization of Favonius' conduct as:  θρασύνεσθαι καὶ ὑλακτεῖν  need not be Favonius' own characterization.  What Favonius would say Indeed, Favonius might object: PLUTARCH  You thought your barking and rashness copied Cato.  FAVONIUS  No. I thought my courage and frankness copied Cato.  That is exactly the sort of dispute hidden by the redescription. The disagreement is not over the act. It is over the description of the act. Plutarch says:                  Favonius' conductθρασύνεσθαιrashnessὑλακτεῖνbarking Favonius might say:                  Same conductτόλμαcourageπαρρησίαfrank speech  In fact Plutarch may be editorialising I think your criticism is fair. The sentence is not neutral psychology. It contains evaluation. Notice that:  παρρησία  is attributed to Cato. while  θρασύνεσθαι and ὑλακτεῖν  are attributed to Favonius. A more neutral writer might have said:  Favonius thought he was imitating Cato's παρρησία.  Full stop. Instead Plutarch inserts his own diagnosis:  by being rash and by barking.  That is where the moralising enters.  A Gricean reconstruction Plutarch:  O(F, imitation-of-Cato)  plus  Plutarch's description of Favonius = X + Y.  Reader's implicature:  therefore Favonius misunderstood Cato.  But strictly speaking the strongest thing asserted is only:  Favonius thought he was imitating Cato.  The proposition:  Favonius was mistaken  is largely Plutarch's evaluative invitation to the reader. In short: I think you're right that a logician would worry about an intensional substitution here. The terms θρασύνεσθαι and ὑλακτεῖν are probably Plutarch's descriptions, not necessarily the descriptions under which Favonius himself conceived his conduct. The whole literary force of the sentence depends on that asymmetry.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Favonio – Ossia: Grice e Favonio: la ragione conversazionale a Roma antica – il portico a Roma – il cinargo a Roma Favonio: la ragione conversazionale a Roma antica – il portico a Roma – il cinargo a Roma -- Filosofo del portico, amico e ammiratore di CATONE  Uticense. Fugge con Pompeo. E giustiziato per essere proscritto. Dopo che Marco F. E catturato e giustiziato Ottaviano acquistò uno dei suoi schiavi, un certo Sarmento, quando tutte le proprietà del nemico sconfitto vennero messe in vendita: è stato affermato poi ch'egli divenne il catamite preferito dello stesso futuro imperatore. Caesar's Legacy: Civil War and the Emergence of the Roman Empire, Marcus F., a Roman politician during the period of the fall of the Roman Republic. Noted for his imitation of Catone, his espousal of the Cynic philosophy – CINARGO --, and for his appearance as the Poet in Shakespeare's GIULIO cesare.  with the support of Cato, was chosen aedile. F. stood to be chosen aedile, and was like to lose it; but Cato, who was there to assist him, observed that all the votes were written in one hand, and discovering the cheat, appealed to the tribunes, who stopped the election. F. is afterwards chosen aedile, and Cato, who assisted him in all things that belonged to his office, quaestor and served as legatus in Sicily, Praetor. on the meeting at the senate at which F. bids Pompey stamp on the ground. F. imitates CATONE in everything, a fair character who supposed his own petulance and abusive talking a copy of Cato's straightforwardness. An instance of his imitation of Cato's plainspeaking that was ruder and more vehement than the behaviour of his model might have allowed came in a dispute in the Senate, Pompey, challenged as to the paucity of his forces when Julius GIULIO  CESARE’s Legacy: Civil War and the Emergence of the Roman Empire, Roman Homosexuality: Oxford Plutarch, Athenaeum. Senator People executed by the Roman Republic A Cynic. He attached himself to CATONE, whom he sought to imitate. He was also a friend of Marco BRUTO, but they fell out and Bruto told him that while he only PRETENDED to be a Cynic, he really WAS a dog! implicature, Favonio. Tarracina. GRICEVS: Favoni, in porticu ambulans Catonem imitari vis, sed num etiam marmora ipsa tuam libertatem loquendi timent? FAVONIVS: Marmora non timent, Grice, sed tribuni timent, quia cum suffragia una manu scripta vidi, una voce fraudem sustuli. GRICEVS: At in senatu Pompeium pedem tundere iussisti, quasi terra ipsa copias parere posset, quod mihi videtur cynicum magis quam stoicum. FAVONIVS: Cynicus an stoicus, idem sum—canis qui veritatem latrat, sed amicus qui tecum ridet dum Roma graviter se gerit. We have two Favonios here. The first I think was Marcus Favonius. Does that make Favonia a gens? No, not in the proper Roman sense. Marcus Favonius does not naturally make Favonia a gens. Favonius is best taken as the nomen of an individual whose family is not known as a major or regularly attested gens Favonia in the way one speaks of the gens Furia, Flavia, or Iulia. The safer way to put it is this. In Marcus Favonius, Favonius looks name-like in the position of a nomen, but Roman prosopography does not thereby oblige us to posit a significant or well-attested gens Favonia. Some Roman nomina are thinly attested, socially marginal, or practically isolated in our sources. So one may infer a gentilicium Favonius, and from that, in the abstract, a gens Favonia; but one should do so weakly, not as if one had discovered a substantial Roman house. That is especially true because Marcus Favonius is remembered not as a node in a rich family tradition, but as the Cato-imitating political eccentric, the quasi-Cynic, the friend of Brutus, the Pompeian, and so on. His historical identity is ethical and political far more than genealogical. So the dry answer is: Yes, in a very weak formal sense, Favonius as nomen would imply a gens Favonia. But no, one should not speak of a notable or well-attested gens Favonia in the strong way one speaks of the great Roman gentes. As for the second Favonius, Favonius Eulogius, the situation is different again, because by that later period names are looser and less probative of old Republican gentile structure. Eulogius is clearly a later cognomen or additional name, and Favonius may function as the gentilicium, but one should be even more cautious about inferring a robust gens from that alone. Late antique naming keeps Roman forms, but the old social machinery behind them is no longer what it was. So if you are comparing the two: Marcus Favonius: earlier Roman figure, where Favonius can be treated as nomen, but without much evidence for a major gens Favonia. Favonius Eulogius: later Roman name, where Favonius is again name-bearing, but the inference to gens is even less historically weighty. The cleanest formula would be: Favonius is not like Furius or Flavius in our evidence. It can imply a gentilician form, and therefore abstractly a gens Favonia. But the gens is not a prominent or well-documented one. So one should avoid speaking of “the gens Favonia” with too much confidence or grandeur. If you like, I can next sort out whether Marcus Favonius is best classified under Favonius as nomen or whether the name has any chance of being treated differently in Republican onomastic practice. Favonio, Marco

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Favonio – Ossia: Grice e Favonio: la ragione conversazionale a Roma antica. Dedica la sua "Disputatio de sommio Scipionis" a Superio. Questa disputazione derivare dal commento posidoniano al "Timeo," mediato da Terenzio VARRONE, al quale si ritengono attinte le fonti citate. Presenta la teoria dei numeri, essenza delle cose e tratta del significato simbolico di essi, dall’I al IX. S’occupa dell’armonia delle sfere. Crotone.  Ma Crotone appare in ciò che F.  dice della monade, in cui espone una teoria monistica che deriva da essa ogni realtà. Il numero è eterno, intelligibile, incorruttibile, e include con la potenza tutto ciò che è.Ma inteso in senso proprio è una pluralità unificata e divisibile e perciò comincia con la diade.Invece la monade, l’unità assoluta e indivisibile e identica al divino, è il seme e l’inizio dei numeri. I numeri poi sì distinguono dalle cose corporee numerabili che sono accidenti e sostrati dei primi, che sono riducibili alla monade. Però le cose numerabili non sono altro che tale unità assoluta, che è prima, entro e dopo tutte le cose. Infatti, ogni quantità proviene dall’uno e in esso mette capo ed esso permane immutabile quando periscono le altre cose che possono accoglierlo in sè. Retore romano, È noto per un episodio narrato dal suo maestro, che lo rende identificabile con F. autore dell'operetta Disputatio de somnio Scipionis. Il suo scritto lo pone fra gli studiosi Crotone ed accademia.  La Disputatio, dedicata a Superio, vir clarissimus atque sublimis, aritmologia; espone la teoria musicale Holder, F. Scarpa, Favonii Eulogii Disputatio de Somnio Scipionis, Latomus. Marcellino, F. Disputatio de Somnio Scipionis, edizione critica, traduzione e commento, Napoli, Opere di F., su digilibLT, Università degli Studi del Piemonte Orientale Amedeo Avogadro. Opere di F., su openMLOL, Horizons Unlimited srl. Opere di F., su Open Library, Internet Archive.  Portale Biografie: accedi alle voci di che trattano di biografie Categoria: Retori romani. F. wrote an analysis of CICERONE’s Dream of SCIPIONE. Favonio Eulogio. Roma. GRICEVS: Favoni, si monas est semen omnium numerorum, rogo num etiam cena una sufficiat ad tot philosophiam sustinendam. FAVONIVS: Sufficit sane, Grice, nam una oliva sapit ut universum, sed diades vini facit ut oratio fluat. GRICEVS: Cave, ne diade vini ad harmoniam sphaerarum addita efficiat ut etiam pilae tabernae “implicent” se caelestes esse. FAVONIVS: Noli timere, nam si sphaerae cantant, ego solum numero, tu solum rides, et Superius—clarissimus atque sublimis—solum mercedem solvet.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fazzini – Ossia: Grice e Fazzini: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale.  Lorenzo Maria Antonio Fazzini: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale. Grice: “I like F.; he can be too theological, but that’s okay! Some of my Oxonian friends are masonic, and some are Pythagorean!. Si laurea a Napoli sotto FERGOLA. Si avvicina al sensismo empirismo. Oltre all'insegnamento della filosofia, si dedica alla ricerca e alla divulgazione. Al servizio di queste tre attività allestì anche un laboratorio scientifico, considerato uno dei migliori di Napoli. Per F. venne composta da DONIZETTI  una messa da Requiem oggi perduta, mentre PUOTI  recita un elogio di F., di cui è amico. Si occupa a lungo di ricerche scientifiche in vari campi della fisica. In particolare, studia l'induzione Arithmetic of Pythagoreans, Los Angeles, REGHINI, I Numeri Sacri nella tradizione pitagorica massonica, La Tetractis pitagorica ed il Delta massonico  sommandolo con sé stesso o moltiplicandolo per sé stesso, si ottiene il medesimo resultato, mentre per l'unità il prodotto dà di meno della somma e per il tre il prodotto dà di più, ossia, si ha: 1+1=2>1.1  ;  2+2=4=2.2  ;  3+3=6. Grice: la matematica di Pitagora, Platone, aritmetica, geometria, definizione di assioma, problema, lemma, numero, demonstrazione, ragione, postulato, numero sacro, reghini – crotona, Taranto, aristosseno, meloponto filolao crotone crotona -- ecc., Grice: Caro Fazzini, mi affascina il modo in cui riesci a intrecciare la ragione conversazionale con implicature che sfiorano il teologico e il pitagorico. Cosa pensi della tradizione filosofica italiana quando si incontra con la matematica sacra?  Fazzini: Grice, la matematica pitagorica ha sempre avuto un posto speciale nel mio pensiero: i numeri sacri, la tetractis, persino il delta massonico. Credo che la filosofia, specialmente quella italiana, non possa ignorare il valore simbolico e razionale dei numeri, che sono chiavi di accesso sia all’empirismo che al misticismo. Grice: Ecco, Fazzini, è proprio ciò che mi incuriosisce: come la tua ricerca filosofica si arricchisce grazie alla scienza e alla divulgazione. La ragione conversazionale, secondo me, si nutre anche di questa apertura multidisciplinare, dove lo studio dei numeri si intreccia con la riflessione sul senso.  Fazzini: Hai perfettamente ragione, Grice! Senza la curiosità di esplorare anche il laboratorio scientifico o la storia della matematica, la filosofia resterebbe incompleta. Ogni conversazione genuina, ogni implicatura che si manifesta, è un invito a scoprire nuove connessioni, tra senso empirico e sacralità del pensiero.  Grice (St John’s, 1950). They tell you we’ve reached the halfway point of a century. I don’t see why that should matter. I was never much for chronologies; they encourage the superstition that a date can do the thinking for you. Strawson, meanwhile, is finishing a chapter on the “pseudo‑problem” of induction—an appendix, he says, to his Introduction to Logical Theory. It puts me at once in mind of Fazzini, for whom induction was not so much a topic as a fixation; and he blamed the habit, charmingly, on his tutor, Fergola. I begin to suspect that, in this private taxonomy of his, I am cast as the Fergola to Strawson’s Fazzini. But, as usual, what catches my eye is the diversion. I am very English; and although I don’t, in general, hold with relics, I cannot help associating St Michael with England—the way the Genoese insist on associating St George with Genoa, regardless of geography or good sense. So why is this Neapolitan empiricist, this laboratory‑man, praising St Michael at Vieste? I find myself thinking that this is how induction begins: not with the grand problem, but with a stray case that refuses to stay in its proper category.”Editorial note: Fazzini’s orazione to San Michele at Vieste would most plausibly be a civic‑religious panegyric for the local cult (Monte Sant’Angelo / Gargano is the great regional Michaelic centre), likely stressing (i) Michael as protector in plague, storm, and war; (ii) the archangel as “defender” and “weigher” in judgment—hence a natural bridge to “proof,” “trial,” and moral order; and (iii) a local patriot note: Vieste’s identity anchored in its sanctuary calendar rather than in abstract theology. Oxford thinks Michael is a college; Puglia thinks he’s an emergency service.”Grice: Caro Fazzini, ma dimmi, tra numeri sacri e implicature teologiche, non rischiamo di confondere Pitagora con San Gennaro? Fazzini: Grice, se Pitagora avesse avuto il miracolo del sangue, avrebbe sicuramente calcolato la formula per farlo scorrere più spesso! Grice: E allora, tra una tetractis e una messa da Requiem, Napoli diventa la capitale della matematica mistica... e della filosofia empirica col caffè! Fazzini: Per forza, Grice! Da queste parti, persino la ragione conversazionale si scioglie come lo zucchero nel caffè: e ogni numero è un invito a fare due chiacchiere e tre risate. Fazzini, Lorenzo Maria Antonio (1805). Orazione in laude di San Michele, Duomo di Vieste.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Feliceto – Ossia: Grice e Feliceto Feliceto. Grice: Caro Feliceto, dimmi, se ti trovassi davanti alle rovine della terza Roma, da dove inizieresti una conversazione filosofica? Feliceto: Grice, forse comincerei dal bar accanto, con un espresso forte! La filosofia, come Roma, nasce meglio se accompagnata da qualcosa di buono. Grice: Allora la ragione conversazionale va a braccetto con la caffeina? Mi piace! Così ogni implicatura sarà più sveglia e meno solenne. Feliceto: Esatto, Grice! La filosofia seria la lasciamo ai tedeschi: noi italiani preferiamo ridere un po’, mentre discutiamo sulle fondamenta della città e della ragione. Can we identity the philosopher behind this? Could it be a very contempary one? Possibly, but not securely. Feliceto does not immediately ring as a standard, well-known ancient philosopher’s name in the way Felice, Feliciano, Felicitas, or even the Latin Felix would. It sounds more like one of three things. First, it may be a playful or diminutive modern Italian formation, perhaps from Felice, used half-affectionately and half-ironically. Second, it may be a corruption, misreading, or local reshaping of some better-known name. Third, and I think this is the likeliest, it may be a very contemporary invented or semi-invented conversational persona rather than a recoverable philosopher from the standard historical repertory. The internal evidence points that way. The tone is café-philosophical, urban, mildly self-conscious, and deliberately modern in a way that does not really sound like the reconstructed antique or scholastic personae you have been exploring elsewhere. “I would begin at the bar next door, with a strong espresso” sounds much more like a late twentieth-century or twenty-first-century Italian philosophical voice, or at least a modern literary mask, than a historical philosopher waiting to be identified in the usual way. So if you ask whether there is a philosopher behind this, my answer would be: perhaps yes, but not one I would identify confidently from the name alone; and yes, it could very well be a contemporary one, or even a stylised contemporary composite rather than a single historical author. There is also a clue in the title form itself. Grice e Feliceto sounds less like a serious prosopographical entry and more like a deliberately light, almost cabaret-like vignette. That increases the likelihood that Feliceto is functioning as a type or invented conversational partner. So the safest conclusion is: I would not identify Feliceto with any standard ancient or canonical Italian philosopher on the basis of this passage. The persona sounds modern, possibly very contemporary. It may be an affectionate pseudonym, a house-character, or a lightly fictionalised stand-in for a living or recent thinker. If you want, I can try a more speculative pass and suggest a few modern Italian philosophers or public intellectuals whose style this might faintly echo, but I would keep that very tentative. And can you do a second-run to see if he or she has authored something? Thanks I did a second pass, and I do not see solid evidence that Feliceto is the name of a philosopher with a recognizable body of authored philosophical work. What I found points mostly away from that hypothesis. Feliceto overwhelmingly appears as a place-name, especially the Corsican commune Feliceto, rather than as a philosopher’s name. [fr.wikipedia.org] I also found a few book-related hits in which Feliceto appears, but not in the way you would want for your question. One is a book simply titled Feliceto, which looks like a separate publication title rather than evidence for a philosopher named Feliceto. Another is TRAVIS FELICETO LEWIS, where Feliceto is part of a modern personal name, and Mosaics of Rain shows that this person has authored poetry, not philosophy. [amazon.com.au], [books2read.com], [24symbols.com] So the sober answer is this. I cannot presently identify Feliceto as a historical or contemporary philosopher with a known authored oeuvre. The search results suggest instead that Feliceto is more likely either a place-name, a playful invented persona, or a modern nickname or stylistic mask. I do not at present have evidence that he or she has authored philosophical works under that name. [fr.wikipedia.org], [books2read.com], [24symbols.com] My best guess remains what I said before: Feliceto is probably a modern or semi-fictional conversational persona rather than a securely identifiable philosopher in the usual bibliographical sense. If you want, I can do one more narrower pass in a more bibliographical direction, aimed specifically at Italian catalogue practice, to test whether Feliceto hides a distorted form of another name rather than standing as a name in its own right.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferdinando – Ossia: Grice e Ferdinando: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della masculinità, il maschio e la tarantella.  Epifanio Ferdinando (Mesagne, Brindisi, Puglia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della masculinità, il maschio e la tarantella. Grice: “I like F.; for one he describes himself as a ‘philosophus,’ which is good – second, he deals with ‘philosophia’ in terms of this or that ‘theorema,’ which is good, and third he follows Aristotle! F. says that tarantella proves that the aspects of reason are not sufficient, since the dance is irrational. Churchill liked it though and he thought his bronze of the male dancer in his garde reminded him of his adventures in Southern Italy when he would dance nude in the hills!”  Si laurea a Napoli. Conosce MANUNZIO. “teoremi filosofici”, Conosce Clemente. Con Severino ha una disputa riguardo al metodo migliore di operare l'incisione della salvatella. Profondo conoscitore dei MERCURIALE, Eustachio, Falloppia e FRACASTORO, si concentra sull'importanza delle analisi del sangue valutandone consistenza, opacità, densità e colore e ritene centrale per la terapia attenersi ad una adeguata dieta. Per curare i suoi pazienti si serve non solo di salassi, purghe e clisteri, secondo la prassi ordinaria, ma prepara anche dei farmaci di origine vegetale ottenuti miscelando quantità variabili d’erbe mediche a seconda della terapia. Nella sua vita si occupa anche di due casi di interesse neurologico e pediatrico, descritti nei particolari nelle Centum Historiæ, e nutre anche uno spiccato interesse nei confronti del tarantismo e della musica come terapia certissima. Historiae seu Observationes et Casus medici Aureus De Peste Libellus Libellus de apibus”; “Tractatus de natura leporis”; “De coelo Messapiensi”; “De bonitate aquae cisternae”; de morsu tarantolae.” Martino La terra del rimorso, Est, Magnes sive de arte magnetica opus tripartitum, Magnes sive de arte magnetica opus tripartitum, Martino, La terra del rimorso, Est, Milano, Portulano Scoditti, Distante, Alfonsetti, Poci. De tarantulae anatome et morsu, Scoditti e Distante, La peste, De peste aureus libellus, Le centum historiae Scoditti e Amedeo Elio Distante, F., De Vita Proroganda seu juventute conservanda, mito, taranta, tarantella, Grice, pel Gruppo di Gioco di Grice. Grice (St John’s, 1951). Hampshire is writing a book on Spinoza, and “Spinoza” has become the main noun—nomen proprium—in all his conversational moves, with the ablative more geometrico trailing after it like a college scarf. “You should find him fun, Grice,” he says. “Like Ferdinando, he thinks of philosophia as a set of theorems.” Suitably primed, I go to the Bodleian. “I’m looking for Epifanio Ferdinando,” I tell the lady at the desk. She looks up, perfectly neutral. “Il Vecchio?” For a moment I take it as a librarian’s insult—Oxford has a way of making even cataloguing feel personal. But by the following week I am persuaded that il non‑vecchio—whoever he turns out to be in the family tree—is every bit as interesting, and perhaps (being younger) even more dangerous. Grice (St John’s, 1951). Hampshire has got me taking Spinoza seriously—Spinoza has become the main noun, nomen proprium, in all his conversational moves, with more geometrico trailing behind like a learned ablative. A week later I find myself back in the Bodleian, and with the air of a man pursuing a footnote that has begun to pursue him. “Epifanio Ferdinando,” I say, “but not il Vecchio. Anything by him?” The assistant consults the slip with the patient authority of Oxford stationery. “We have his rather eye‑catching Delle famiglie mesagnesi,” she says. “On loan only—because…” and here she reads, in what may be the most heroic Italian accent my ears have ever survived: “il manoscrito è di proprietà della familia Cavaliere di Mesagne.” I leave without the temerity to request it, but with the uneasy feeling that somewhere in that private manuscript lies the sort of thing that made Latin at Clifton fun—names, lineages, the smug pleasure of distinguishing one homonym from another. “Today we are reading Pliny the Younger,” the master used to say—adding, as if it were the point of the lesson, that “the Younger” was not “the Elder,” and might not even be related by blood at all. Two Plinys, two Ferdinandi: Oxford’s way of teaching you that scholarship begins as family gossip and ends as bibliography. And Hampshire, of course, would have smiled at that. In Spinoza, more geometrico is a method. In the Bodleian, it is a filing system. (Editorial note: Pliny the Elder and Pliny the Younger were related by blood: the Younger was the Elder’s nephew (his sister’s son), and later also his adoptive son (by will). Pliny the Younger says explicitly that his mother Plinia Marcella was the Elder’s sister, and that after the Elder’s death in AD 79 he adopted him and left him his estate. [en.wikipedia.org] The family link (simple statement for an editorial note)  Pliny the Elder (Gaius Plinius Secundus), born AD 23/24, died AD 79. [en.wikipedia.org] Pliny the Younger (born Gaius Caecilius; later Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus), born AD 61, died c. AD 113; nephew of the Elder and later adopted by him in AD 79 (via the Elder’s will). [en.wikipedia.org]  AUC (“ab urbe condita”) equivalents (if you want them in Roman dating) Using the standard conversion AD 1 = AUC 754 (i.e., AUC = AD + 753), we get: Ab urbe condita [en.wikipedia.org]  Elder born AD 23/24 → AUC 776/777 Younger born AD 61 → AUC 814 Elder dies AD 79 → AUC 832 Younger dies c. AD 113 → AUC 866). Grice: Ferdinando, dimmi la verità, la tarantella è davvero il segreto della mascolinità filosofica o serve solo a far ridere i filosofi inglesi in vacanza? Ferdinando: Caro Grice, tra un teorema e un passo di danza, la tarantella insegna che il maschio italiano ha bisogno di un po’ di irrazionalità per restare umano – e per evitare di diventare troppo serio, come Aristotele dopo il pranzo della domenica! Grice: Ah, quindi Churchill aveva ragione: ballare nudi sulle colline è una terapia infallibile! Altro che analisi del sangue – basta il ritmo, e la salvatella si incide da sola. Ferdinando: Grice, prova tu a ballare la tarantella quando il morso della tarantola si fa sentire! Vedrai che la ragione conversazionale lascia spazio all’implicatura… e magari anche a qualche passo fuori tempo! Ferdinando, Epifanio (1611). Theoremata Philosophica. Venezia.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fergnani – Ossia: Grice e Fergnani: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del gesto e la passione Franco Fergnani (Milano, Lombardia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del gesto e la passione –Grice: “I love F.; especially his “Il gesto e la passione,” which I apply to them extravagant Victorian male-only interactions! Napoleon, an Italian, thought he was French, but he was a Corsican. No, I don’t know Corsica” – however he thought he was an emperor and as such, as every student at Milano laughs at, that he should convince Canova to go nudist! Nelson tries but Vivian Leigh opposed!”. Si laurea a Milano sotto BANFI. Insegna a Milano. Esistenzialista. Un critico di se stesso”; “More geometrico, “Prassi di GRAMSCI; “Materialismo” La dialettica dell’esistere” L'essere e il nulla” “Esistire” Il gesto e la passione” L’Esistenzialismo” MANZONI Il filosofo che ci “spiega” Materiali di Estetica, Massimo Recalcati, L'ora di lezione, Einaudi, Torino, Papi.  Fisiognomica interpretazione del carattere di una persona sulla base del suo aspetto esteriore Lingua Segui disambigua.svg Disambiguazione – Se stai cercando l'album di Battiato, vedi Fisiognomica (album). La fisiognomica o fisiognomonica è una disciplina pseudoscientifica che attraverso la  fisiognomia o fisiognomonia pretende di dedurre i caratteri psicologici e morali di una persona dal suo aspetto fisico, soprattutto dai lineamenti e dalle espressioni del volto. Il termine deriva dalle parole greche physis(natura) e gnosis (conoscenza). Questa disciplina godette di una certa considerazione tanto da essere insegnata nelle università. La parola fisiognomica o fisiognomia venne usata fra gli studiosi per distinguerla dal termine fisionomia o fisonomia. Heroic and Other Nudities Men Without Clothes: Heroic Nakedness, in Gender et History, Tom Stevenson, Nude Honorific Statuary and Portraits in Rome, in Rome, Nudo artistico nudo eroico Arte arte Storia della nudità atteggiamenti sociali verso la nudità  Apollo di Piombino Perizonium exist, Grice on ‘a is’ Grice on ‘a exists’ – E-committal – Peano on ‘existent’ – esistono – es gibt, there is/there are, some, or at least one, il y a, c’e, Warnock on ‘exist’ I gesti dei imperatori romani nudita eroica! Fisionomia – porta. Grice (St John’s, 1964): “I pass Blackwell’s on the way in, and there—behind the glass—is the whole divide laid out like a tidy display. Not quite a confrontation, more a brush of sleeves. On one side, Butler—Canadian-born, so already a small rebuke to Oxford’s tribalism—with his Analytic Philosophy, and there in the contents a familiar title: my “Some Remarks about the Senses” (Blackwell, 1962). Next to it, close enough to count as physical contact, though certainly not close enough for any public embrace, sits Fergnani’s Marxismo e filosofia contemporanea. I open it at once, as one does when presented with temptation in a shop window, and I go straight to the index of names. No Ryle. So I don’t even expect Austin. The omission is almost courteous. But the contrast in the title is odd. “Marxism and contemporary philosophy”—as we say at Oxford, once a Marxist, always a Marxist. Yet the phrasing rather suggests that Marxism isn’t quite itself “contemporary philosophy”: it needs the conjunction, as if to qualify for admission. Unless, of course, the thought is the other way round: Marxism as it is treated within contemporary philosophy—Marxism as exhibit, not as participant. And since when did Marx become a museum piece? When did “late-modern” start meaning “no longer alive”? Who decided that Marxism belongs under glass, with a label, rather than in the argumentative air of the present? I put the book back, as carefully as if the shop were a library, and walk on toward college—wondering, not for the first time, whether “contemporary” is just a polite synonym for “ours,” and whether “ours” always comes with an admissions test.” Grice: Carissimo Fergnani, non posso che essere d’accordo: dietro ogni gesto conversazionale si cela una vera passione conversazionale! È proprio questa energia emotiva che rende il dialogo autentico, permettendo che il senso si manifesti non solo nelle parole, ma anche nei movimenti, negli sguardi e nelle pause. La passione è il motore invisibile del nostro parlare. Fergnani: Grice, hai colto il punto essenziale! Spesso ci dimentichiamo che la comunicazione non è solo forma o struttura logica, ma anche trasmissione di emozioni. Il gesto, come insegno in “Il gesto e la passione”, è la traccia concreta della volontà e del desiderio, la manifestazione esterna dell’intensità interna. Senza passione, il gesto sarebbe vuoto! Grice: Esattamente, caro Fergnani! La filosofia della conversazione, come la intendo io, presuppone che ogni implicatura sia vissuta, sentita, non solo ragionata. A volte, un semplice movimento della mano o un’espressione del volto comunica più di mille parole, perché la passione dialogica accompagna e dà intensità al senso. Fergnani: È così, Grice! La fisiognomica stessa ci insegna che il carattere e l’emozione si leggono nelle sfumature dell’espressione: il gesto è la sintesi tra pensiero e sentimento, tra razionalità ed empatia. Ogni gesto conversazionale è una promessa di comprensione, e ogni passione è un invito a dialogare davvero. Fergnani, Franco (1964). Marxismo e filosofia. Cremona: Padus.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferrabino – Ossia: Grice e Ferrabino: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della terza Roma – la base mitologica del latino. Aldo Ferrabino (Cuneo, Piemonte): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della terza Roma – la base mitologica del latino. Grice: I like F.; if I were not into the unity of philosophy, I would say he is a philosophical historian  and a Roman historian, too! Strictly, a philosopher of Roman history, alla Gibbon!” Si laurea a Torino sotto Graf e SANCTIS col mito. Insegna a Roma. del LINCEI e corrispondente nazionale della stessa e presidente dell'Istituto italiano per la storia antica. Presidente della Societ Nazionale "Dante Alighieri" e insieme a Cappelletti , fonda "Il Veltro". Pubblica sull'Italia romana, l'et dei Cesari, la filosofia fatalistica della storia. Alter opere: Calisso: la storia di un mito (Bocca, Torino)  with a section on the myth among the Latins, and a later section on the treatment by Roman authors, Arato di Sicione e l'idea federale (Monnier, Firenze); L'impero ateniese  note that its Roman empire and impero ateniense, but BRITISH empire not London empire, and American empire, rather than Washington empire  La dissoluzione della libert nella Grecia antica (Milani, Padova); L'Italia romana (Mondadori, Milano); GIULIO eran Tessali suoi compatrioti. Lento (ma chiaro) processo, adunque, le cui forme non si debbon confondere con le primitive quali ci appajono nelle due Eee. Esegesi novissima. Storia e indagine su Civette mitica soo in questo volume gi per intero composte quando apparvero di Pasquali le Quaestiones Callimacheae (Gottingae) ove il mito di Cirene  di nuovo trattato. Ne pubblicheremo altrove una confutazione (" Atti della R. Accademia delle Scienze di Torino). Torino, BOCCA, TORINO Piccola Biblioteca di Scienze Moderne Grice: Mussolini lacked a classical education  he was obsessed, if we are talking alla hymns, of the modern, not the ancient! Grice: Mussolini, who wasnt from Rome, called Rome the city of prostitutes. Hausmann suggested that he should build the third Rome somewhere in the Lazio. la terza Roma, Mazzini. Una e unica Roma, one and only. Mussolinis dislike for ruins, Mussolinis use of modern versus ancient. Calypso. Grice (St John’s): “St John’s asked me for a paper on Descartes—certainty, which is to say doubt—and now I’m the one doubting. The Merton Philosophical Library has a full run of Giornale dantesco, so I spend an afternoon with the 1911 volume, leafing through it number by number, until I find Ferrabino on il dubbio—in Dante, of course, never Descartes. Since when did Oxford decide that doubt belongs to René Descartes (as my French master at Clifton would have pronounced it, “René des Cartes”), rather than to Alighieri?” Grice: Caro Ferrabino, la “terza Roma” sembra più mitica che reale! Ma dimmi, se dovessimo fondare una nuova Roma, partiresti dalle rovine o costruiresti tutto daccapo? Ferrabino: Eh, Grice, le rovine sono come la grammatica latina: tutti le temono, ma senza di loro non sapremmo dove mettere le fondamenta! Meglio un po’ di mitologia che una città di solo cemento. Grice: E Mussolini? Lui avrebbe preferito un monumento alla modernità, magari circondato da prosaici caffè invece che da antiche vestali… Forse la sua “Roma” era più per turisti che per filosofi! Ferrabino: Grice, allora ci resta solo una cosa: fondare la “Roma conversazionale” dove ogni implicatura vale più di un arco trionfale! E se proprio non ci riesce, almeno facciamo ridere qualche senatore. Ferrabino, Aldo (1911). Il dramma dantesco della superbia e del dubbio. Giornale dantesco.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferrando – Ossia: Grice e Ferrando: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale di CORIOLANO, ovvero, la filosofia Guido Ferrando (Roma, Lazio): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale di CORIOLANO, ovvero, la filosofia. Grice: “I like F.; for one, he is what I would call an Anglo-Italian – cf. Anglo-Argentine; so he philosophised on Otello, Coroliano, la creazione di Carpenter and the forces of Prentice Mulford; on Byron’s Manfredi, and more beyond!” Si laurea a Pisa. Insegna a Firenze. Mistico. Psicologo filosofico. L’istruzione è un processo d'indagine dove l’studente impara dal tutore *come* pensare, non *cosa* pensare".  La Voce” -- Coriolano politico e Generale dell'antica Gens Marcia, Q. Marcius, dux Romanus, qui Coriolos ceperat, Volscorum civitatem, ad ipsos Volscos contendit iratus et auxilia contra Romanos accepit. Romanos saepe vicit, usque ad will be dogged with curses”: “... sarà inseguito da una canea di maledizioni”. Si è creduto di ampliare, nella traduzione, la bella immagine venatoria. Plutarco, unica fonte di Shakespeare per questo suo dramma, narra che, tornate a Roma, la madre e la moglie di Coriolano, insieme a Valeria furono salutate in Senato come salvatrici della patria e vennero loro offerti dallo stesso Senato onori e ricompense, che esse rifiutarono, solo chiedendo che fosse eretto un tempio alla “Fortuna muliebris”, sulla Via Latina. Sparatorie, al tempo di Coriolano, evidentemente, non ce n’erano, e Menenio non poteva pensare a un siffatto termine di paragone. È un altro dei frequenti anacronismi del poeta. Alcuni di questi strumenti - come la sambuca e il salterio - non esistevano al tempo di Coriolano: è un altro degli scusabili e, per certi versi, suggestivi, anacronismi di Shakespeare. Plutarco (Vita di Coriolano) pone questa scena e tutti gli eventi che seguono, fino alla morte di Coriolano, ad Anzio, dove l’eroe è tornato con l’esercito volsco. L’ubicazione della scena a Corioli sembra tuttavia giustificata dalle parole del 1° Congiurato: “Your native town you entered”, e da quelle dello stesso Aufidio: “Though this city he hath widowed...”. CORIOLIANO, ovvero, la filosofia. Grice: “Corpus, 1932. Hardie ended the tutorial today with Aristotle’s God—νόησις νοήσεως νόησις, thought thinking itself—delivered in Greek through an Aberdeenshire accent so uncompromising that even the vowels seemed to have taken Holy Orders. I understood it just well enough to be reminded, at once, of Aunt Matilda—God bless her—and her formidable interruptions of Father at high tea. “You’re being theosophical, Matilda,” Father would say, with the air of a man accusing someone of leaving crumbs on the silver. Mother, never missing her cue, would interpose—more brightly than the occasion deserved: “Mind, the Theosophical Society has opened a chapter just off Lordswood Road.” “They have?” Father would ask, suddenly eager for detail, as if metaphysics were tolerable provided it had a local address. Aunt Matilda—who lived on gossip the way saints live on air—would pounce. “Oh yes. It’s the newest fad. Ever since that Guido Ferrando has been writing about it everywhere.” “But what is theosophy?” I remember asking, somewhere between the scones and the jam, with the feeling that I ought already to know and had somehow missed the lesson. Derek—always ready to moralise with etymology—looked appalled. “You really ought to know your roots, Paul. It’s theos plus sophia. Wisdom that dares to speak of God.” There followed the sort of silence that proves the family has, collectively, no wish to “dare” anything at all before tea is finished. Then Aunt Matilda, rescuing the room from abstraction with appetite: “I’m dying for a piece of that tart, Mabel.” “Don’t be so agonising about it,” Mother replied—her particular humour: brisk, domestic, and allergic to spiritual drama. Only later did I connect the family farce with an actual printed trace: Ferrando, in 1909, writing in La Voce on “La Società Teosofica”—as if a philosophical movement were, at bottom, another club with minutes, a membership list, and a taste for capital letters. And I thought: perhaps that is why Hardie’s God felt so remote—because at home God was never a definition; God was what people accused one another of “being,” right before passing the butter. [Editorial note: Ferrando’s piece is dated to 1909 (in La Voce), and the English Theosophical “chapters” were already well established earlier; so Mother’s “Lordswood Road” remark reads best as domestic exaggeration—Oxford/Birmingham provincialising an international movement into neighbourhood news. If you want, I can also do a second pass that makes the rhythm even more “Grice diary”—shorter sentences, sharper parenthetical asides, and one final sting-line tying thought thinking itself to interruptions at tea (very Grice). The English Theosophical 'chapters' were already well established earlier. Grice is 12, so this would be 1925. What dates do we have for Harborne-based Theosophical Society branches? I realise there is a gap 1909 -- 1925 but do we have dates as to what Ferrando is talking about and what the Italy-England connection of this Societa Teosofica can be? By the time the Grice-at-12” scene would fall (c. 1925), Theosophy already had an established lodge network in Britain, with a London base going back to the late 1870s—so it’s perfectly plausible for “a chapter off Lordswood Road” to be a domestic bit of local colour rather than a brand‑new national novelty. “Already well established earlier” — the England baseline  The first official British lodge (later the London Lodge) was founded on 27 June 1878.  So by 1925, Britain had had organised TS activity for roughly half a century. What about Birmingham/Harborne specifically? Good news/bad news:  I can find a current Birmingham lodge presence (the Birmingham Annie Besant Lodge, now meeting in Castle Bromwich), but the page I find does not give a founding date for the Birmingham/Harborne branch. I did not retrieve (in these results) a reliable historical record tying a Harborne lodge to a specific start year.  So: we can justify “Theosophy in England is established,” but we cannot yet pin Harborne-based lodge dates from the sources at hand. What Ferrando (1909, Rome) would have been “talking about” Ferrando’s piece in La Voce plausibly sits inside a phase when Italian Theosophy had already moved beyond “private circles” into formal organisation:  Italy had early centres and then a Rome lodge/centre organised in 1897. The Italian Section of the Theosophical Society (Adyar) was formally founded in Rome on 1 February 1902, in the presence of C. W. Leadbeater. So by 1909, Ferrando is not writing about a newborn curiosity; he’s writing about a movement that had had a Roman institutional footprint for over a decade, and an Italian national section for seven years. The Italy–England connection (a neat editorial way to frame If you want an editorial note you can append, the clean connective tissue is:  The movement is international from the start (NY 1875; London lodge 1878). Italy’s early nodes are heavily shaped by British expatriates and international lecturers, with named visits/organising activity by figures like Olcott and Annie Besant (and organisational involvement by Leadbeater for 1902). That gives you a very Grice-friendly line: theosophy travels through “clubs,” “lodges,” lectures, translations, and social networks—i.e., through conversation before doctrine. If you want, I can write you a compact [Editorial note] paragraph in the same tone as your existing brackets, explicitly tying: London 1878 → Rome 1897/1902 → Ferrando 1909 → Grice’s Harborne tea-table 1925. Caro Ferrando, ho letto la tua interpretazione di Coriolano e mi domando: quanto c’è di romano e quanto di shakespeariano nella tua filosofia conversazionale? Ferrando: Ah, Grice, tra i Volsci e le implicature, direi che ogni buon filosofo si barcamena tra anacronismi e fortune muliebri. Sai, a volte mi sento più vicino a Menenio che a Coriolano! Grice: Del resto, Ferrando, la vera ragione conversazionale forse consiste proprio nel saper affrontare le maledizioni canine della vita con un pizzico di humour anglo-italiano... o sbaglio? Ferrando: Assolutamente! E ricordati, Grice, che anche senza sparatorie, basta una buona implicatura per conquistare Roma, o almeno ridere insieme sotto la “Fortuna muliebris”! Ferando, Guido (1909). La Società Teosofica. La Voce

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferranti – Ossia: Grice e Ferranti: implicatura conversazionale, ragione, deutero-Esperanto, e lingua universale – filosofia italiana (Roma).  Mario Ferranti (Roma, Lazio): implicatura conversazionale, ragione, deutero-Esperanto, e lingua universale –Collo pseudonimo d’“ingegnere Filopanton,” presenta il “simplo,” ispirato al progetto di PEANO , nel saggio “SIMPLO INTERNATIONALE LINGO: CONTRIBUTO AL STUDIOS DIL INTER-NATIONE LINGO PEM SIMPLIGITE FONETICE-GRAFICE SISTEMO”. Lo scopo è quello di creare un SISTEMA in grado di rendere l'apprendimento della lingua internazionale facile e veloce, tramite l'abolizione delle desinenze, dei suffissi e dei prefissi e un rapporto intuitivo tra idea e parola. Per F., idee tra loro collegate devono essere espresse da parole tra loro simili; per esempio, aventi la stessa radice. Mario Ferranti. Keywords: system, sistemo, lingua, lingo. Grice: “St John’s, 1947. I am drafting notes for my talk to the Philosophical Society. I have settled, with uncharacteristic economy, on a title for the Gazette: “Meaning.” Why bother with more meaning than one can decently say? In the meantime I have been reading—“reading,” if that is the word for it—Mario Ferranti’s Simplo. It is an enchanting little contrivance: a universal language that has the grace to stop at Simplo, without appending the national insult. Not Simplo Italiano, not Simplo Romano, just Simplo, as if simplicity were a virtue not requiring a passport. And this is what delights me: Ferranti, quite unintentionally, manages to insult Ogden. Ogden—our Cambridge man of symbolism—christened his invention Basic English. That title already does too much work. “Basic” is basic enough; but then he adds “English,” and the adjective begins to drag an entire civilisation behind it. One hears unintended overtones—Chaucer, Johnson, Austen (Jane), and, if Oxford is not careful, even Austin (J. L.), who is said to be brilliant though his cricket suggests otherwise. Ferranti stops short of this. He does not say: here is the language of the Empire, but cheaper. He says, more or less: here is a system; take it or leave it. Ogden’s programme, by contrast, is thoroughly English in the very way it claims not to be. He proposed Basic (so the story goes) as an international auxiliary, but he proposed it by retaining English and stripping it down—an 850‑word diet, a small set of “operators,” and a grammar pared to the bone. One might say: Britain’s most characteristic gesture in philanthropy is to offer the world help on condition that the world learns to pronounce the help properly. And yet—if one is to be fair—Ogden did not simply dream this up in a national vacuum. Basic belongs to a longer Cambridge obsession with symbols: it is the practical cousin of that earlier semiotic enterprise, Ogden & Richards’ 1923 book The Meaning of Meaning, the one I keep dipping into when my own notes on “meaning” begin to wobble. If you have spent a quarter-century insisting that words are instruments and that misunderstanding is a public danger, it is not a large step to deciding that the instrument should come with fewer detachable parts. [en.wikipedia.org], [archive.org] Still, I can’t help wondering: did Ogden ever see Ferranti’s Simplo? Simplo appears in 1911—which means it has been waiting on the shelf for Basic to arrive and call it redundant. Perhaps Ogden thought an international auxiliary built from scratch was otiose, and chose the more British path: keep the English, make it basic, and send it downstairs with the post. [it.wikisource.org], [play.google.com] Strawson, meanwhile, remains unconvinced by my private fondness for idiolects; he thinks “a language” must be something socially shared, not privately curated. But when one lacks a proper philosophical rival, why quarrel? Better to read Ferranti, irritate Ogden in silence, and then stand up in the Society and talk about “Meaning” as if it had never been anyone’s political project at all.” Grice: Carissimo Ferranti, ho letto del tuo “simplo” e del sogno di una lingua universale. Ma dimmi, quante regole servono per non inciampare in una supercazzola internazionale?  Ferranti: Grice, se aboliamo tutte le desinenze e i suffissi, ci rimane solo il cuore della parola! Così, anche le idee smettono di litigare e finalmente si capiscono come vecchi amici al bar.  Grice: E allora, sarà vero che una lingua universale nasce quando il “tu” e l’“io” possono ordinare un caffè senza fronzoli grammaticali? O forse rischiamo di ordinare una “idea” pensando che sia un espresso?  Ferranti: Eh, Grice, la vera lingua universale è quella che ti permette di evitare il caffè sbagliato, ma soprattutto di ridere insieme quando succede! Perché una buona battuta è sempre la miglior implicatura, anche tra filosofi. Ferranti, Mario (1911). Simplo internationale lingo. Contributo al studios dil internatione lingo pem simpligite fonetice-grafice sistemo. Roma.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferrari – Ossia: Grice e Ferrari: implicatura conversazionale e ragione nella lingua universale.  Gaetano Ferrari (Modena, Emilia-Romagna): implicatura conversazionale e ragione nella lingua universale. Insegna etica mono-glottica: alla ricerca d’una lingua universale. Il modus di F. è del tutto simile a quello  di SOAVE.  CESAROTTI , CERUTI. alfabeto universale, FONETICI – FONEMICI – cf. Grice, disctinctive features. La lingua proposta è - moderatamente - flettente e combinante, a stregua però di una calcolata ECONOMIA  Grice, , cooperative efficiency, nello svolgimento del VERBO. Valendosi rispetto al NOME e predicato – ‘shaggy’--, a forma delle lingue analitiche, dell’ARTICOLO DETERMINATIVO. desinenza plurale “irrelevant in logic” (Grice): “(Ex): “Some, at least one”. evita la FLESSIONE, la derivazione, l’agglutinamento e l'accento non giustificato. In discorso non è ideografica, né semi-algebrica, né tampoco tachigrafica o stenografica a mo’della pasigrafia. È puramente alfabetica, e costituita con una base e un processo grammaticale, epperò con opportuno corredo dell’ARTICOLO (“the,” “a”) il pronome (“I am hearing a sound”), la congiunzione (“and” – but cf. ‘or’ and ‘if’), la preposizione (cf. Grice on ‘to’ and ‘between’) ell’avverbo (cf. ‘not’). due generi nominali, maschile o concreto, femminile o astratto, verbi primi ed AUSILIARI Grice, “Actions and Events” on ‘do’. Con parsimonia si vale a denotare maniere e di senso. Metodico pell’evoluzione d’una parola primitiva radicale allo scopo di ritrarre le molte parvenze e trapassi nell'esplicazione d’una idea. norme di SINTASSI, il regime lessicografia. cura la semplicità, il collegamento e la regolarità, riescire perspicua, gradita, e  mirabile per esattezza ed energia. esente di sinonimi, neologismi, solecismi. Fare uso dell'analogia, la salvaguardia della lingua, deve essere attuato un procedimento di logo-genesi, per il quale il suono ESPRIMENTE SEGNANTE un'idea o proposizione semplice deve in qualche modo essere presente anche in qualunque suono che compone la parole da esso derivate. La SINTASSI deve seguire quanto più l'ordine logico dei pensieri. Deutero-Esperanto. lingua oxoniense. Grice: St John’s, 1947. “I am confirmed in my resolution not to yield to Language as a mammoth. A man may have his own language—if only as a working hypothesis, and if only until the neighbours complain. [Editorial note: Grice was lucky that between his 1948 “Meaning” and his 1964 lectures on conversation, someone did eventually coin idiolect in a way that made this sound less like madness and more like a technicality. ] In that spirit, reading Gaetano Ferrari’s Monoglottica is like paradise—or worse, like inhaling opium: soothing, heady, and not entirely respectable. The Italians can never write “a consideration”; it must be “considerazioni,” preferably plural, and then “storico‑critiche,” as if critico were a sacrament that protects one from the charge of mere antiquarianism. And it is all “intorno alla ricerca” of a universal language—ricerca being one of those words that carries the delicious implication that the thing sought has not, strictly speaking, been found. [books.google.com], [biblio.toscana.it] The title page already tells you the moral sociology of the enterprise: Ferrari is styled “Canonico Professore”—a cleric with a professorial conscience—and the book is printed at Modena (second edition, 1877) as if universalism must always begin in a provincial printing house.  One imagines the intended reader not as a laboratory linguist (there were hardly any) but as the educated Italian who has time for “projects”: priests, schoolmasters, local savants, the sort who read Wilkins in the evening and teach Latin in the morning. (It is not Esperanto yet; it is the age of schemes.) [books.google.com], [biblio.toscana.it] [en.wikisource.org], [books.google.com] What puzzles me—pleasantly—is the timing. Ferrari is talking universal language years before Peano’s more blue‑collar seriousness makes it fashionable to treat symbolic systems as if they were plumbing. So what stirred a Modenese canon to “Monoglottica”? Was it post‑Risorgimento moralism: one Italy, one lingo? Possibly—but the very ambition of a universal language suggests something else: a kind of Catholic universalism translated into grammar; or else a late Enlightenment inheritance (Soave and the rest) lingering in clerical dress. [books.google.com], [it.wikipedia.org] And then there is my private irritation: Strawson does not believe that idiolects are more basic than lects; and when one lacks a proper philosophical rival, why bother with the fight? Still—Ferrari is a comfort. He proves that the dream of a personal language and the dream of a universal one are not opposites but cousins: both are attempts to make meaning behave.” Grice: Caro Ferrari, rifletto spesso sul valore di una lingua universale: certo, il sogno di un ponte linguistico che unisca popoli e menti, facilitando la conversazione cooperativa, ha un fascino irresistibile. Ma, anche se questa lingua non arriverà mai a Cambridge, la sua ricerca ci insegna molto sull’efficienza comunicativa e sulla perspicuità del pensiero. Non credi che, almeno tra noi, l’ideale della lingua universale sia già un terreno fertile per la filosofia? Ferrari: Grice, hai colto il cuore del problema! La lingua universale non è solo un mezzo, ma una scuola di etica: ogni tentativo di semplificare e regolarizzare il linguaggio ci costringe a riflettere sulla logica e sull’ordine dei pensieri. La sua costruzione, con articoli, pronomi e sintassi metodica, è già un esercizio di precisione e trasparenza. Anche se mai varcherà i confini di Cambridge, può innalzare il livello della conversazione ovunque si parli. Grice: Ecco, Ferrari, mi piace l’idea che la lingua universale sia più un viaggio che una destinazione. La tua attenzione per la sintassi logica e la logo-genesi, dove il suono mantiene traccia del pensiero, mi ricorda la cooperazione conversazionale: ogni parola è un patto tra chi parla e chi ascolta, un modo per non “alienare” la soggettività e far sì che il senso venga riconosciuto dall’altro. In fondo, la filosofia della comunicazione si fonda sulla fiducia nella possibilità di capirsi. Ferrari: Grice, hai ragione: è la fiducia, non la perfezione, a rendere universale ogni lingua. La mia proposta, tra fonetici e fonemici, mira proprio a una lingua che renda perspicua, gradita ed energica l’espressione, senza sinonimi né solecismi. Il vero valore sta nell’analogia tra pensiero e parola; anche se resterà un’utopia, ogni tentativo ci avvicina all’arte di dialogare con esattezza e umanità — e questo, da Modena a Oxford, vale più di ogni conquista territoriale. Ferrari, Gaetano (1877) Monoglottica: considerazioni storico‑critiche e filosofiche intorno alla ricerca di una lingua universale. Modena: Vincenzi

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferrari -- Ossia: Grice e Ferrari: la ragione conversazionale e FILOSOFIA della RIVOLVZIONE.  Giuseppe Michele Giovanni Francesco Ferrari (Milano, Lombardia): la ragione conversazionale e FILOSOFIA della RIVOLVZIONE. Grice: “F.  is important on at least two fronts: as a philosopher he promotes what has been called a critical illuminism  and who but an Italian philosopher can have as a claim to fame a treatise on the philosophy of revolution? The second front is my proof of the latitudinal unity of philosophy; for F. counts as the best interpreter, with his La strana sorte di Vico, of Vico! My pupil at Oxford, my first one, actually, Flew, once called Humpty Dumpty a semantic anarchist. But he is wrong. Humpty Dumpty cannot mean that by uttering impenetrability, Alice will know that he means that a change of topic is required! I use revolution occasionally, minor ones! Mussolini kept saying that F. is talking of rivoluzione fascista  Garibaldi hardly used rivoluzione! Nothing pleased Mussolini more than the collocation rivoluzione fascista  almost as much as Washington did American revolution, and Cromwell, the glorious one! Essential Italian philosopher! The problem with F.’s analysis is etymological. For the Romans, indeed the Indo-Europeans cf. German irren --, to err is to wander FROM THE TRUTH -- a metaphor, a figure of speech. Speaking of relative/absolute allows you to avoid objective/subjective. But we do want to use subjective and inter-subjective. An error can still be inter-subjective for Fi!” Si laurea a Pavia. Federalista, repubblicano, democratico, socialista. Conosce ROMAGNOSI. Studia l’errore. Critica CAMPANELLA. Un giudizio non consente di giungere al vero oggettivo, indissolubilmente intrecciato a questo che F. chiama un errore, un vero relativo. Il vero e un errore relativo giudizio vero relativo al soggetto errore intersoggetivo. Conosce Peyron e Valerio filosofia della storia, FILOSOFIA della RIVOLVZIONE  rivoluzionari VICO uso di rivoluzione unificazione fascista risorgimento dell’unita hardly qualifies as a revolution. Corpus, 1935. “I am meant to be reading “Moderns,” but have found myself—by a kind of scholarly perversity—reading Italians instead: Ferrari (a name that sounds like speed, but turns out to mean paperwork). What fascinates me is not even his later Vico, but the odd prelude: a man who is remembered (so I’m told) as a philosopher of revolution begins life, officially, as a jurist—indeed a jurist in utroque iure, as if one legal system were not enough to keep a young man from metaphysics. Hardie raised an eyebrow when I mentioned it, in that Scottish manner of his which manages to sound both indulgent and censorious.  “Don’t forget Vico,” he said, as one says “Don’t forget your coat”—meaning: don’t be one of those who discover him too late, or not at all.  But why would a would‑be philosopher submit himself to the Latin mill of law? One can almost hear the family in it: the respectable Italian arrangement by which you are allowed to think, provided you first qualify to earn. In England we have the same superstition in a different costume: you do philosophy only after you have proved you can do something “solid,” such as classics, or mathematics, or war. What I want to know is what happened between the 1831 law degree and the 1835–37 Vico volumes. There must be a hinge—some document, some letter, some intellectual bruise. Did Ferrari’s Latin dissertation already contain the germs of the later obsession? Or is it a case of genuine conversion: a man who begins by learning how to argue in court and ends by discovering that history itself is a kind of pleading, with nations as litigants and “truth” as a verdict that keeps being overturned? The phrase utroque iure has a special irony for me. It suggests the scholar as a creature with two rulebooks—two “codes”—and a life spent trying to keep them consistent. If so, Ferrari’s later turn to Vico is not a detour from law but its extension: jurisprudence becomes hermeneutics; the courtroom becomes the century; and the judge turns out to be language. Still, Hardie’s question—implicit rather than stated—hangs in the room: was it in the dissertation already, or did Vico do it to him? And if Vico did it to him, what in Vico is so infectious that it makes a lawyer forget the law and fall in love with a Neapolitan rhetorician?” Grice: Caro Ferrari, ogni volta che sento parlare di rivoluzione, mi chiedo se non sia solo una grande conversazione in movimento – o magari una supercazzola storica che cambia il tono! Ferrari: Grice, tu hai il dono di trasformare le rivoluzioni in dialoghi e le supercazzole in filosofia! Però ti avverto: se la verità è relativa, io pretendo almeno che sia accompagnata da una buona battuta. Grice: Allora, caro amico, brindiamo alla rivoluzione della conversazione: magari non cambieremo il mondo, ma almeno ci divertiamo a cambiare argomento come Humpty Dumpty! Ferrari: Ecco, Grice, tra errori intersoggettivi e verità che vagano, basta che nessuno si perda la strada verso il bar – perché una rivoluzione senza un brindisi non è rivoluzione, ma solo una passeggiata filosofica! Ferrari, Giuseppe Michele Giovanni Francesco (1831). Dissertatio in utroque iure. Padova.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferrari – Ossia: Grice e Ferrari: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale degl’anarchici di Mussolini.  Abele Ricieri Ferrari (Arcola, La Spezia, Liguria): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale degl’anarchici di Mussolini. Grice: “I like F.; he was a philosopher AND a poet  a combo we dont find too often at Oxford!” Cerca un'ora sola di furibonda anarchia e per quell'ora da tutti i suoi sogni e amori, tutta la sua vita. Refrattario a ogni disciplina. Il suo profondo desiderio di conoscenza, unito ad una notevole forza di volontà, lo spinge per ad un studio da autodidatta che lo porta a leggere Palante. Non rinunci comunque ad elaborare una visione autonoma, che costrue attraverso una ttività meditativa. Le cronache s'interessarono di lui quando un incendio distrugge la chiesa: l’indagini dei regi carabinieri identificare i responsabili del gesto in anarchici del posto, tra i quali F. Contrario alla guerra, richiamato sotto le armi. Si rende irreperibile. Venne imputato di diserzione e condannato in contumacia alla pena di morte. Arrestato e scarcerato in seguito ad amnistia. E le rane partirono verso la suprema viltà umana, il fango di tutte le trincee. E la morte venne, ebbra di sangue e danza macabramente con piedi di folgore e rise. volgare senza avere sul dorso le ali di un’idea. Cosa idiota morire senza sapere il perchè. Verso il nulla creatore. Anarchico individualista, con Carnesecchi e Rasi nella lotta operaia: Gioda la sua sconfitta politica e il ridimensionamento delle residue velleità libertarie di Malusard), dell’anarco-interventismo, che conflu nel fascismo. Se è improprio considerare l’anarchismo e il fascismo di Rocca, Gioda e Malusardi fenomeni correlati, quasi in relazione di causa ed effetto comporta una trasformazione della società, ridisegna le categorie politiche. Il fascismo, al di là delle sue molte anime, è comunque un fatto l’atteggiamento con cui questi personaggi s’accostarono al fascismo puo esser ricondotto alla loro formazione anarco-individualista. Si puo parlare della presenza nel fascismo di una vena anarchica, che, innestatasi in esso tramite l’interventismo, si esaura col consolidarsi al potere della rivoluzione fascista. implicatura, l’anarchismo di Humpty Dumpty, la scusa anarchista dei fascisti, I anarchici di Mussolini. Grice: Corpus, 1933. “Now that I am—officially—a “scholar,” I find myself doing what scholars do: rummaging. The Philosophy Club, it appears, has accumulated the oddest little hoard of political ephemera—anarchist sheets, brittle as communion wafers, and twice as doctrinal. Someone pointed me to a certain Ferrari (so they tell me), a name that has the air of a motor-car but the temperament of a bomb. I had not quite appreciated how elastic the word “war” can be across borders. We in Britain are trained to think of the Great War beginning—as Father never tires of reminding me—when the United Kingdom declared war on Germany on 4 August 1914. Italy, meanwhile, takes its time: neutral at first, and then—later—declaring war not on Germany but on Austria-Hungary on 23 May 1915. So what, exactly, is Ferrari complaining about in 1914? And yet the point, I suppose, is precisely that: Ferrari is already writing polemics “as early as 1914”—for anarchist papers (Cronaca Libertaria is one of the titles that circulates in the chatter). He seems to have had what we would call, in the Club, a predictive eye: he writes as though Italy were already marching, as though the calendar were merely an administrative delay. One might say (if one were feeling charitable) that he saw the Italian declaration coming before Italy did. Or (if one were feeling uncharitable) that anarchists, like certain philosophers, possess an uncanny gift for treating the future as if it were already a premise.” Corpus, two weeks later. “Another meeting of the Philosophy Club. I reported—too proudly—on the Ferrari pamphlets, as if I had dug them out of a ruined library rather than a filing cabinet. The President did not so much dampen my enthusiasm as block it, politely, with the sort of club‑trained tact that makes one feel corrected without being scolded. “Grice,” he said, “you are romanticising your anarchist. Your Ferrari was already gone by 1922.” I began to protest—about the early date, the prescience, the tone of prophecy in the prose—when he added, almost mildly: “Yes, yes. But did he know it was coming?” It was the first time it occurred to me that an author can write as if he is foretelling history and still be quite incapable of foretelling his own last page.”[Editorial note: Only later did Grice learn how Ferrari died: the “pursuit” ended not in argument but in gunfire. Grice’s private gloss is characteristic: “One can be clairvoyant about nations and wholly myopic about oneself.” Only later did Grice learn what became of his “Ferrari”—and the details have the grim neatness of an Oxford anecdote, except that here the punchline is gunfire. Ferrari—better known as Renzo Novatore—was killed on 29 November 1922, not in any declared war, but in that Italian interval when politics had become a kind of low-grade civil weather. He had been moving with, or at least alongside, the band of the outlaw Sante Pollastro; and that day, in the district of Teglia near Genoa, three carabinieri—sent in plain clothes—entered an osteria (“Osteria della Salute” in local retellings) looking for Pollastro. Accounts differ on the spark: one version has Pollastro recognizing the men by some small betrayal of disguise—the famous detail is the too-polished shoes on an “operaio.” What is constant is the outcome: a sudden exchange, close and chaotic, in which Novatore was shot and died on the spot. In the same firefight Giovanni Lupano, the carabiniere being pursued in later commemorations, was also killed. Pollastro escaped. Grice’s gloss: it is one thing to write as if one can see history coming; it is another to see the man at the end of the street. The “predictive eye” can be brilliant about nations and useless about corners. And then, in one of those underhand turns that belong to his own subject, Grice wrote beside the Club President’s question (“Did he know it was coming?”): He did not; but he wrote as if Italy did. Grice: Caro Ferrari, ogni volta che penso ai tuoi anarchici di Mussolini, mi viene in mente Humpty Dumpty che spiega l’anarchismo a Oxford... altro che rivoluzione, qui si rischia la confusione grammaticale! Ferrari: E tu, Grice, credi forse che tra le trincee e le rane ci sia spazio per la logica conversazionale? Qui si sopravvive soprattutto di implicature e di qualche buona battuta per non impazzire! Grice: Beh, se c’è una cosa che ho imparato, è che anche la più furibonda anarchia nasconde una regola nascosta… magari non la trovano i carabinieri, ma il filosofo sì! Ferrari: E allora beviamoci su, Grice! Magari tra un brindisi e una supercazzola troveremo la risposta alla domanda più idiota: “Perché morire senza sapere il perché?” Ferrari, Abele Ricieri (1914). Contributo. Cronaca Libertaria.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferraris – Ossia: Grice e Ferraris: la ragione conversazionale e filosofia italiana, la scuola di Galatone (Galatone).  Antonio De Ferraris (Galatone): : la ragione conversazionale. Grice: “At Oxford, conversazione is a term of art; not in Italy!” conversazione. I like F.  he analyses all the implicata of The Lords Prayer, pretty complicated; my favourite is his excursus on the implicatum of thy will be done! F.’s Galateo isso famous that, unlike VICO with his new science, a few philosophers cared to consider seriously a nuovo Galateo!” Si laurea a Ferrara. Conosce Gareth, Attaldi, Pontano, Gaza, Caracciolo, Pardo, Lecce, Sannazaro. La serenità della sua vita èturbata dall'invasione d’Otranto da parte dei Turchi. de dignitate disciplinarum. Galateus dei lupiensi. studioso umanista Il suo bagaglio filosofico include la cultura classica del liziio e l’accademia. la filosofia classica era stata traviata dai filosofi dei secoli bui salv solo ANNICI. Prediligeva la civiltà classica e autori come Terenzio, Catullo, Ovidio, Svetonio, Virgilio e Orazio; e insieme il mondo del volgare, con letture d’ALIGHIERI, Petrarca, il Morgante e Sannazaro Si interessa anche delle opere di Plinio.. stile di vita meditativo Ma non sfugge a F. il quadro generale della società e della corruzione morale e politica che la attanaglia; e che è anch'essa soggetto degli scritti di F. nei quali critica la diffusione delle cattive consuetudini. Oltre a saggi e tvatta di coscT mrali, gleffetti dipendono dalla determinazione della volont. Ora a determinarle la volontà i pi frivoli MOTIVI (Grice) bastano, s quando mancano MOTIVI (Grice) pi gravi, s quandi questi si trovano in opposizione come una seinplice dramma basta per'&r traboccare la blaacta a mensa i il|Mi||0Q>Mm*vadaDdo ^mm di perdono/ 'ifM tutto II piatto sopra tjll'liii||lah cabile re. Nouchlrevan, pi sorpreso che sdegnalo, volle saperi la ragione di siffalta temerit. Prncipe, gli disse i( paggio, io desidero die te laia morte non rechi niacclia. 1 alia ofiiii Hplitazioiia; com ve de'moffiirehi, mavoi perdereste quello bel titolo se l po slertfi sapesse che per lievissima colpa condannaste a morie ano devostri sudditi; perci ho versalo tu Ito il piatto. conversazione, il Galateo.  Grice: Caro Ferraris, ti confesso quasi con affetto che sei tu, col tuo Galateo e la tua riflessione sulla conversazione civile, ad aver ispirato le mie massime sulla conversazione. Quando penso all'arte del dialogo, mi ritrovo sempre a rileggere le tue pagine, così ricche di saggezza e di umanità. Senza il tuo esempio, penso che la filosofia della comunicazione avrebbe perso quel tocco di grazia e profondità che solo la tradizione italiana sa offrire.  Ferraris: Grice, il tuo riconoscimento mi onora: il Galateo, dopotutto, nasce dal desiderio di elevare la conversazione a strumento di civiltà. Ho sempre pensato che il dialogo, quando guidato dalla volontà e dalla riflessione morale, possa davvero migliorare il vivere comune. Le tue massime, ora che so la loro radice, mi sembrano un omaggio perfetto alla nostra tradizione filosofica.  Grice: Ecco, Ferraris, la tua meditazione sulla volontà mi ha insegnato che anche i motivi più apparentemente frivoli possono influire sul tono e sull'esito di una conversazione. Perfino nei casi in cui una piccola offesa rischia di far traboccare la misura, la saggezza del Galateo suggerisce come ristabilire l'armonia. Per me, la conversazione civile è fatta di piccoli gesti e di grandi principi, proprio come tu insegni.  Ferraris: Grice, la civiltà si riflette nei dettagli: nel perdono, nella gentilezza, nella capacità di ascoltare e comprendere l'altro. Se le tue massime hanno contribuito a diffondere queste idee, allora il Galateo ha fatto il suo dovere. La filosofia, in fondo, non è altro che l'arte di vivere e dialogare con dignità e rispetto. Grazie per aver portato le nostre tradizioni oltre i confini dell'Italia. Feraris, Antonio De (1491). De dignitate disciplinarum

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferrero – Ossia: Grice e Ferrero: la ragione conversazionale. (Portici).  Guglielmo Ferrero (Portici, Campania): la ragione conversazionale. (Portici). Grice: “When I delivered my lecture on ‘meaning’ for the Philosophical Society at Oxford, I knew some of my pupils, whom I had burdened with my seminars on meaning would be attending. I was paying little attention to F. F.’s ‘I simboli’ only tangentially approaches ‘simbolo’ and ‘segno,’ or the phenomenon of ‘voule dire.’  a word ‘voule dire’ – ‘signare’ – as quoted by F. – as when Cicero says that a signum signat. My example: ‘shaggy’ – shaggy shaggy reduplicated, as F. has it to mean that the utterer means that the referent is hairy-coated. I say ‘Peccavi’. Can I say that I said THAT peccavi? Surely not. ‘Say’ primarily applies to the utterer. What the utterer says may not be an instance of his saying THAT I say: ‘He hasn’t been to prison yet’ – the first one of ‘imply’ –I use ‘implicate’ as a way of avoiding me the necessity to select to use ‘mean’ and other words in that range. So, my point, against Austin and Witters, is that whatever the utterer meant – THAT his colleagues were dishonest – it would be otiose – and almost false – to say that what he means is that C hasn’t been to prison yet. ‘C hasn’t been to prison yet’ is the OPTIMAL way to be a sign for ‘He hasn’t been to prison yet.’ One may intoduce the explicit/implicit distinction. The utterer, by displaying a bandaged leg, EXPLICITLY conveys that he’s leg is bandaged, but what he means – i. e. that of which his ‘utterance is a SIGN (as F. would have it – is, as I put it, that he cannot join his co-conversationalist in a game of squash. When I published my WoW:5 in Philosophical Review, I ellided the section on ‘saying,’ and ‘meaning’ – my proposal was so tricky that I decided that my readers could do without it!”   Grandezza e decadenza di Roma): Di qui dipende l’intenso ma ristretto ALTRUISMO dei membri della tribù, uno rispetto all’altro; il che però non esclude la più assoluta ferocia riguardo allo straniero. L’appui mutuel chez les sauvages, La camorra. giustizia formazione naturale della giustizia; l’espressione d’Ardigò formazione naturale parendomi, almeno in questa materia, più esatta che l’altra evoluzione. Grice: Ferrero, ricordo quando ho tenuto la mia conferenza sul “meaning” a Oxford: i miei studenti erano terrorizzati dall’idea che li interrogassi su “simbolo” e “segno”, ma poi ho capito che ciò che davvero li spaventava era il mio esempio sul “shaggy shaggy”. In fondo, non è facile spiegare cosa si vuole dire… nemmeno quando si ha una gamba fasciata! Ferrero: Grice, a Portici preferiamo la semplicità: se vediamo qualcuno con una gamba fasciata, gli diamo l’appui mutuel, come nei tempi dei “sauvages”! Qui la camorra non serve a capire i segni, basta una buona dose di altruismo… e magari un caffè. Grice: Ecco, Ferrero, forse dovrei importare un po' di spirito porticese a Oxford! Tra “implicatura” e “signare”, i miei studenti si perdono, mentre da voi basta uno sguardo e tutto si risolve. Peccato che qui non serva la camorra, ma sarebbe interessante vedere l’evoluzione della giustizia naturale nei miei seminari. Ferrero: Grice, lasciamo perdere la ferocia verso gli stranieri! Meglio una conversazione, magari davanti a una tazzina, dove il vero segno è il sorriso e la decadenza di Roma è solo una scusa per imparare qualcosa di nuovo… anche se si parla di “peccavi” o di squash! Ferrero, Guglielmo (1893). I simboli in rapporto alla storia e filosofia del diritto, alla psicologia e alla sociologia. Torino: Bocca.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferrero – Ossia: Grice e Ferrero: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale arimmetica.  Leonardo Ferrero (Torino, Piemonte): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale arimmetica. Grice: “My Oxonian pupils are often mesmerised by the interest the Italian philosophers place on Crotone, a little nothing in the middle of nothing. But then we only have Stonehenge that compares! Just for having philosophized on the influence of Crotone on the Roman world, F. is highly commendable! Crotone is crucial for Plato; and Crotone teaches of course at what would be a Roman cives, Crotona -- so it all relates! F. is not the first to claim Italianita and Romanita for CROTONE. After all, the father of the founder of the sect is an Etruscan! NUMA learns from him! CICERONE corrects here: it’s the tradition that counts. LIVIO notes that a saggio by NUMA is destroyed. The republic had an official religion and Crotone is not part of it! Cusano thought that the Holy Trinity is Crotone. FICINO claims the accademia is Crotone, via his tutor who was tutee of the founder of the sect– PICO asks FICINO for advice on these maters. CAPARELLI thinks it’s all Crotone. The important bit is politic and ethnic. Crotone becomes popular in the rest of Europe via Italy, that always showed more of an interest for ancient history than the Germanic peoples, perhaps because runes do not give so easily to history!” Si laurea a Torino sotto ROSTAGNI. Insegna a Trieste.  coloro che il lizio chiama i filosofi itali, che hanno fatto fiorire in Italia un ramo vigoroso della filosofia, rende ragione della relazione tra filosofia romana e  Crotone, rinvenendo la speculazione alla base della cultura romana classica. F. sostenere l’idea dell’ideale che l’organizzazione a Crotone propone alla classe dirigente romana che l’accolta e realizza. Il fine di Crotone è la formazione del politico.  Per quanto arduo il compito, è l'ora di fare qualche cosa a favore della nostra scuola, un compito di rivendicazione. Vengano quindi altri, facciano di più. implicature arimmetica, pitagorismo romano. Cf. uomo, scuola filosofia itala, comparato con altri scuole, Taranto – metaponto, aristosseno, prima seguace reghini, massoneria, esoterico numeri sacri. Ferri, filosofi italiani su Crotone. Grice: Ferrero, ti confesso che i miei studenti di Oxford rimangono sempre ipnotizzati dall’importanza che gli italiani danno a Crotone. Per noi, Stonehenge è già abbastanza, ma voi avete fatto di Crotone quasi una capitale della filosofia. Dimmi, qual è il segreto? È nascosto tra i numeri pitagorici, o c’è una formula magica che solo voi conoscete? Ferrero: Ah, caro Grice, Crotone è come la somma perfetta tra storia, matematica e un pizzico di orgoglio italico! Qui si aritmetizza persino il caffè: due chicchi per la sapienza, uno per la politica, e sempre una buona dose di ironia. Se i pitagorici ci insegnano qualcosa, è che anche una città minuscola può contare moltissimo – soprattutto se la si mette nel conto giusto! Grice: Quindi, se ho capito bene, basta prendere una manciata di numeri sacri, aggiungere un po’ di filosofia romana e voilà: si ottiene la miscela perfetta per una scuola che fa invidia anche a Oxford. Mi domando se dovremmo importare qualche professore da Crotone… magari insegnerebbero ai miei studenti come fare i conti senza perdere il filo! Ferrero: Grice, ti prometto che un corso di aritmetica conversazionale è il regalo perfetto per Oxford! E poi, fra una lezione e l’altra, potresti scoprire che la vera filosofia si trova tra i tavoli di Crotone, dove la matematica è solo un modo elegante per contare le storie – e magari anche le risate. L’importante, come dicevano i nostri saggi, è non perdere mai il senso dell’umorismo, soprattutto quando si parla di numeri! Ferrero, Leonardo (1877). Storia della letteratura italiana. Torino: Unione Tipografico-Editrice.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferretti – Ossia: Grice e Ferretti: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’inter-soggetivo Giovanni Ferretti (Brusasco, Torino, Piemonte): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’inter-soggetivo – Grice: “When I lectured at Bielefeld, I had to be careful with the language. They use Objekt very seriously – much more seriously than Subjkekt – and they usually ignore the Inter-Subjektiv! – Not F.! I like F., for one, he wrote on intersubjectivity which is a problem for Husserl: cogitamus; nobody speaks of ‘cogitamus --; one has to distinguish between my favoured –‘inter-subjectivity’ and ‘alterity’! F. has also philosophised on the infinite, which poses a problem to my principle of conversational helpfulness. While subjectivity and objectivity are pompous, intersubjectivity seems fine, only that it can always be replaced by the Italian ‘l’intersoggetivo’. The ‘inter-subjective” sounds Butlerian in English!” Si laurea a Milano. Insegna a Torino. Persona. Storia della filosofia romana. Critica. Noli foras ire, in te ipsum redi, in interiore homine habitat veritas.»  («Non uscire da te stesso, rientra in te: nell'intimo dell'uomo risiede la verità.»  (da La vera religione di Agostino) Il termine soggetto che deriva dal latino subiectus(participio passato di subicere, composto da sub, sotto e iacere gettare, quindi assoggettare) letteralmente significa "quello posto sotto", "ciò che sta sotto".  Nella speculazione filosofica il termine ha assunto una varietà di significati:  un essere, sostrato sostanziale di qualità che lo configurano particolarmente e accidentalmente; elemento soggettivo che determina una data sostanza nella sua singolare peculiarità; termine che, in età moderna, viene riferito alla coscienza individuale e all'autocoscienza intesa come attività consapevole dell'io. Idealismo corrente filosofica che nega la realtà al di fuori del pensiero  Autocoscienza Appercezione l’atto riflessivo attraverso cui l’uomo diviene consapevole delle proprie percezioni (coscienza, io)  Il contenuto. ‘l’intersoggetivo’, I soggetti, soggetto e oggeto, inter soggetti – la questione dell’oggetto nell’intersoggetivo – ‘the common ground’. Grice: Ferretti, mi ha sempre affascinato il suo modo di trattare l’intersoggetivo. Sa, quando ho tenuto le mie lezioni a Bielefeld, ho notato che lì l’attenzione si concentra molto sull’oggetto, mentre il concetto di inter-soggettività quasi scompare. Ma io credo che nella conversazione, proprio l’intersoggetivo sia fondamentale per creare quel “common ground” su cui si costruisce il senso condiviso. Lei cosa ne pensa?  Ferretti: Caro Grice, sono completamente d’accordo. L’intersoggetivo, per me, è ciò che permette ai soggetti di uscire dalla propria interiorità e incontrarsi veramente. Non si tratta solo di un semplice scambio di parole, ma di una costruzione di significato che va oltre il soggetto e l’oggetto. Come diceva Agostino, “Noli foras ire, in te ipsum redi” – però, solo nell’apertura verso l’altro si manifesta la verità della relazione.  Grice: Mi piace molto questo riferimento all’intimo dell’uomo. Tuttavia, mi chiedo: l’intersoggetivo conversazionale non rischia a volte di essere frainteso come una semplice somma di soggettività? Io penso che, nel dialogo, la cooperazione e la mia “massima di aiuto conversazionale” servano proprio a evitare che si cada nella confusione tra soggettività e vero terreno comune.  Ferretti: Esattamente, Grice. Il rischio esiste, ma è proprio la critica e la riflessione filosofica che aiutano a distinguere tra “l’io” e “il noi”. Io insegno che l’intersoggetivo non è solo la somma delle esperienze individuali, ma una dimensione in cui l’oggetto diventa condiviso. Nella storia della filosofia romana, questa questione ha sempre posto grandi problemi: la verità non sta sotto, come suggerisce il termine “soggetto”, ma emerge nell’interazione, nel confronto, nel dialogo stesso. Ferretti, Giovanni (1842). Saggio storico sulla rivoluzione di Napoli del 1799. Napoli: Giornale delle Due Sicilie.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferri – Ossia: Grice e Ferri: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’amore Luigi Ferri (Bologna, Emilia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’amore. Grice:“My Oxford pupil, Strawson, thought that ‘to karulise’ was to make love! But he couldn’t figure out why pirots would do that ELATICALLY! I love F.; for one, he wrote on FICINO’s ‘dottrina dell’amore,’ which is of course the academic  – and which I may call the most complicated philosophical doctrine of love ever conceived! F. is obsessed with BONGHI’s Convito. I dialogui dell’amore of accademia are four: Convito, Fedro, Licide e Carmide. Fedro is subtitled by Diogenes as being peri erotes, but it was translated as,o vero del bello. Convito is so obvious about eros that Plato didn’t care. As to Carmide and Licide, F. dedicates but little attention!” Insegna a Roma. Linceo. ROVERE La accademia poggia su due basi: l’idea e l’amore, da cui provengono il vero e il buono, l'ordine dialettico e l'ordine morale. Per conoscere la dottrina dell’amore, non basta di esaminare la sua dottrina dell’idea e dell'intelletto; conviene eziandio studiare i suoi pensieri sull'amore. Consideriamone adunque con lui la natura, l'oggetto, il fine, le specie, gl’effetti, le attinenze coll'uomo e col mondo; osserviamolo o immaginiamolo, com' egli fa, in se stesso e nei varii ordini degli enti; seguiamo sulle sue traccie la splendore del bello e l'efficacia dell'amore L'amore è desiderio del corpo bello. Il bello è una grazia che risulta da corrispondenza delle parti del corpo o d’unità, corrispondenza è di tre specie; o è affatto spirituale e consiste nell'armonia delle virtù interiori dell'animo, o percettibile mediante li sensi, composto d’una forma corporea. Il bello, non riferibile se non ai sensi, e l'amore non ha altri strumenti d’applicare. Grato è a noi, il vero e ottimo costume dell'animo; grata è la speziosa figura del corpo bello. l'animo  Si hanno tre edizioni, il primo da BARBARASA. DORTELATA e GIUNTI, Sopra l’Amore ouver convito ambidue opere di FICINO. dell'anima fisiologia dell’amore psicologia filosofica amore specie di desiderio con relazione alla percezione dell’amante del corpo bello dell’amato dialogo dell’amore come sub-genere. Grice: Ferri, la ragione conversazionale dell’amore mi lascia sempre un po’ interdetto. A Oxford, Strawson pensava che “karulizzare” volesse dire fare l’amore, ma nessuno capiva perché i piroti dovessero farlo... elaticamente! Ma lei, che ha scritto sulla dottrina dell’amore di Ficino, che ne pensa: l’amore è davvero una questione accademica? Ferri: Caro Grice, l’amore accademico è complicato quasi quanto fare le valigie per un viaggio filosofico. Ficino dice che non basta esaminare l’idea, bisogna pure studiare l’amore: il bello non si trova solo tra i libri, ma anche tra i corridoi. E poi, guardare il bello è già una forma di filosofia — soprattutto se lo si fa con grazia! Grice: Allora, potrei dire che l’amore è il vero esame universitario: se lo superi, sei promosso alla filosofia praticata, non solo quella studiata! Ma mi dica, Ferri, tra Convito, Fedro, Licide e Carmide, qual è il dialogo più adatto per chi cerca l’amore fra i filosofi? Ferri: Grice, la risposta è semplice: scegliere il Convito, perché lì l’amore è sempre servito a tavola, e se la filosofia non basta, almeno si può mangiare bene. Del resto, come dice Ficino, il bello è una questione di armonia — e, tra una portata e un’altra, si può sempre filosofare sull’efficacia dell’amore. Attenzione però: mai sottovalutare il potere di un buon dessert! Ferri, Luigi (1859). Saggio sulla filosofia delle scuole italiane. Firenze: Le Monnier.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ferrucci – Ossia: Grice e Ferrucci: la ragione conversazionale e l’eloquenza di Cicerone. Michele Ferrucci (Lugo di Ravenna, Ravenna, Romagna, Emilia-Romagna): la ragione conversazionale e l’eloquenza di Cicerone. Insegna a Pisa. DE’SINGOLARI MERITI DI TULLIO NELLA LINGUA ED ELOQUENZA LATINA. Pochi sono gli nomini veramente grandi dell' .in ti eh iti, di cui La morto affrettata per tirannesca violenza fosse tanto sincerameli te e tanto lungamente  compianto, esecratone l' abominevole autore, quanto  quella di CICERONE. VIRGILIO  ed ORAZIO, LIVIO e Cornelio Severo; Vellein Fatereolo, Tiberio e Sciano, Cremuzio  Cordo Bruto  e Caio Cassio parole contro Marc’Antonio: Tu non hai fatto nulla, gli grida, quando, promulgata una infame mercede, trovasti un vile sicario che osti troncare il capo di quel oratore; consolo, padre e salvatore di Roma. Quantunque meglio fu  per lui cadere sotto il ferro omicida da te prezzolato che vivere ancora un miseri avanzi i d'anni seuili, che gli sarebbe stato più travaglioso, vedendo la dolce sua patria oppressa dalla tua tirannica signoria. Ma tu non potesti privarlo dell'onorato nome e della fama: per te anzi e ne accrebbe lo splendore.  Vive nella memoria di tutti i posteri,  i quali quanto volte leggeranno ammirati le ardenti  invettive, che contra te gl’inspira uua giusta indegnazione, tante malediranno alla tua barbara ferocia:  e avverrà che interamente apengasi nel  mondo l’umana specie che si taccia il nome di quel grande. Mesto per contrario fi att'ettuosu è il suono del saluli che a CICERONE manda PLINIO e che si conclliude: Lode a te che primo de’romani dalla  libera voi*iltil maggior popolo del mondo fosti salutato padre della patria, tu ottenesti la gloria d’avere  eolia tua sapienza aperte vie e mostrato un  immenso campo agi' ingegni di Roma; è saiTos.atiU > ulìi</in degli scrittori correggerlo o abbandonarlo. Fra i dolci studi, fra le beno augurato fatiche proponetevi spesso CICERONE ad esemplare della perfezione di sriie; alziate poi sempre fermo e stabile della mente questo ricordo che maestro che è Streccili, ne attempalo dimen- conchiudere: Nazione e FAVELLA sono turr’une; ehi non ama, non pregia, non onora LA PROPRIA FAVELLA disama la  propria nazione. Grice: Corpus, 1933. “Today’s tutorial with Hardie was—by his standards—almost convivial. I often wonder, in these things, who is tutoring whom. He said, in that Scottish of his (which is becoming second nature to me; I catch myself echoing his turns of phrase as a sort of grateful revenge):  “We’ll be starting Moderns next week,”  by which he meant, of course, Modern Philosophy. Three weeks later. The passage to Moderns was remarkably smooth. If there’s anything I like about this odd sub‑faculty within Literae Humaniores, it’s the way one is permitted—encouraged, even—to skip (as Hardie says, meaning jump) from Cicero to “Home”—spelled Hume, but pronounced, by Hardie, with a sort of proprietorial Scottish economy. Hardie then produced—like a conjuror producing a rabbit, except that the rabbit was a bibliography—a recommendation:  “Ferrucci’s Saggio sopra la storia della filosofia moderna (1824) would be particularly apt for you, Grice,”  he said, adding (with that dry half‑smile of his) that Ferrucci even “does justice to Hume”—by which he meant that Ferrucci, being Italian, could pronounce the name as Hardie does, and not as the English insist on doing, as if it were a throat‑clearing. Later, out on the cricket field, I mentioned—too innocently—that “Modern Philosophy” had been launched for me by an Italian in 1824. My companions stared as though I’d said the Roman Republic was founded last Thursday. They could not believe that, by “modern,” philosophers sometimes mean not aeroplanes or wirelesses, but a Pisan professor writing in the age of Byron. But then cricket, like philosophy, has its own anachronisms: one dresses like 1890 in order to behave as if time had stopped; and one calls it “play” while taking it absurdly seriously.” Grice: Ferrucci, lei che insegna a Pisa e si è immerso nei meriti singolari di Cicerone, mi dica, ma il segreto dell’eloquenza latina è davvero tutto racchiuso nelle invettive contro Marc’Antonio? Oppure c’è qualche trucco che Cicero teneva solo per le grandi occasioni? Ferrucci: Ah, caro Grice, Cicerone era un artista della parola: non solo invettive, ma anche melodie sottili, come quelle di Virgilio e Orazio. Persino quando cadeva sotto il ferro omicida, la sua fama si moltiplicava, e ogni volta che un sicario tentava di troncare la sua voce, questa risuonava più forte nei corridoi della storia. Grice: Quindi, mi sta dicendo che il vero oratore non teme nemmeno la tirannide, perché la sua eloquenza sopravvive anche al peggiore dei tagli? Forse dovrei scrivere una massima: “Mai sottovalutare un uomo con la lingua lunga e la testa sulle spalle!” Ferrucci: Ottima massima, Grice! E ricordi: chi non ama la propria favella, disama la propria nazione. Fra i dolci studi, proponga sempre Cicerone ad esempio, ma non dimentichi di aggiungere un po’ di umorismo: la lingua latina non è solo per invettive, ma anche per qualche scherzo ben piazzato—proprio come facciamo noi! Ferrucci, Michele (1824). Saggio sopra la storia della filosofia moderna. Pisa: Capurro.

 

Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fi

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fibbia – Ossia: Grice e Fibbia: dal latino morto al latino vivo.  Fibbia: dal latino morto al latino vivo. Grice: “Strictly, if Julius Caesar is dead, his ‘lingua’, as the Italians call her, is, too! ‘Viventi’ does not apply to a language only metaphorically!” Latino Vivente admittit 2 gradus Ii populari in quo sufficit radicario cum grammatica minim'i; litterarii intelligibil'i tamen ab omni discipulo de populari gradu ad primi visum. ALPHABETO habet litteras latini iam jam solver soluer locuti loquuti emti empti shocolate Supersigno et unionis-tractu est minus apti. Per dissimil'i litteras scribitur: (a vocabulo quod habet simili orthographiam cum alio, sed SENSUM DIVERSI: solum de solo solum  (6 pluri affixo (lector'e vide n. 41). admittit litteras orthographici et  notat tali litteram per accentum qui pracurrit: t'eriti, fu'nsi. In scripto ad usum de soli eruditos orthographici littera non usitatur. quia fundatur supra base de res existenti, adoptat pronuntiandi-modum plus diffu'nsi. Sic introducit, sine mutatione, isti et illi vocabulum Discipulo de Il gradu pone accentum tonici super vocalem ante ultimi consonantem: câne, lilio. non habet accentum: lâude, nêutri,  lingua, âqua. 3 finales de grammatica non mutat accentus-locum:  pâtrem, pâtres, âmat. Gradu Populari  LY, articulo definiti, UL, articulo indefiniti, : ly 300 viros de Gedeon; ul viros. UM est prapositione generali, Tenet locum de ab, ad, de, quando discipulo hasitat. non habet accusativum; UM indicat proprie non-subjectum, id est attributum aut complementum: um patre filio amat; patre-um  filio amat: um Deo essev ly Verbo. UM est necesse solum quando fit inversione, quia non-subjecto est cognoscibili etiam per sui locum in phrase post verbum; filio amat patre; Verbo essev Deo. -A, -E, -O, -U substantivum singulare; -AS, -ES,  -OS, -US plurale. Quando diversi finale non dat SENSUM DIVERSI ex arca arce arcu licet commutar desinentias de plurisyllaba: die dies dia dias sicut in H. et P., sed non ra ro ru re nam re est monosyllaba. GENER, quando est necesse indicatur per MASCULO, FEMINA equo-masculo. -i indicat aggetivo (‘shaggy’): boni patre. potest haber substantivi-formam: disputar est sterile sterili re. Fibbia. Torino, Piemonte. Grice: Fibbia, dici “latino vivente” e poi mi tiri fuori Giulio Cesare morto: mi pare un corso di rianimazione con la grammatica come defibrillatore. Fibbia: Appunto, e io ti do due gradini: uno popolare per sopravvivere con due radici e tre regole, e uno letterario per far finta di essere Cicerone senza sudare troppo. Grice: Però tra solver/soluer, locuti/loquuti ed “emti/empti”, più “shocolate”, sembra che il latino abbia preso il treno sbagliato e sia sceso al bar. Fibbia: Tranquillo, basta mettere l’accento dove serve, infilare un UM quando l’allievo tentenna, e vedrai che il latino non è morto: sta solo facendo stretching in piemontese. Fibula (1925) Latino viventi. Academia pro interlingua. The Fibula Praenestina is a famous gold brooch (fibula) from Praeneste (modern Palestrina, near Rome), generally dated to around the 7th century BC, and celebrated because it bears what was long treated as the earliest Latin inscription. [en.wikipedia.org], [museodellecivilta.it] What makes it especially relevant to your “Fibbia / Fibula” pseudonym theme is that the object is literally a fibula (a clasp/buckle/brooch), and its inscription is a classic textbook item in early Latin studies. The inscription (in Old Latin) is typically transcribed as: MANIOS MED FHEFHAKED NVMASIOI often understood as “Manius made me for Numerius.” [en.wikipedia.org], [loebclassics.com], [museodellecivilta.it] It also has a long-running authenticity controversy (19th-century discovery story, disputes about whether the inscription is ancient or forged), which is part of why it keeps coming up in discussions of “how early Latin is evidenced.”Cavoretto, Torino.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ficino – Ossia: Grice e Ficino: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’amore.  Marsilio Ficino (Figline e Incisa Valdarno, Firenze, Toscana): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’amore. Grice: “If F. had JUST commented on Platos symposium that would be already a magnificient achievement! So Renaissance  it taught the Romans and the Italians, and us, that the dialogue IS the philosophical form per tradition, whatever Cicero tried!” Si laurea a Firenze sotto Bernardi, Comandi, Castiglione e Tignosi  filosofo lizio autore di De anima e di De ideis. Conseguenza di questo  la SVMMA PHILOSOPHI, fisica, logica, e di aliae multae quaestiones. Accademia orto COMMENTARIOLA IN Lucrezio, il De voluptate ad Calisianum, il De virtutibus moralibus e il De IV sectis philosophorum, questioni morali e dell'anima, portico. Crotone fonda l’accademia in villa per volere di Medici. Ermetici da Leonardo da Pistoia. della maestà divina, daemonum ordine della trasmigrazione delle anime. A Crotone Filolao, maestro dell’accademia consona secta, Ermes era il dio patrono dei ginnasi e delle palestre.  Il pedagogo era uno schiavo che aveva il compito di sorvegliare i figli del padrone. Il re dei Persiani, secondo l'abituale denominazione greca. L'eristica era la tecnica finalizzata a confutare con ogni mezzo le tesi avversarie per far prevalere le proprie, anche se per fare questo poteva raggiungere risultati contraddittori tra loro. Entrambi uccelli addestrati per il combattimento. Dario, il ricchissimo re dei Persiani tenta l'invasione della Grecia, ma venne bloccato e sconfitto a Maratona. Si tratta di un frammento di Solone (Gentili-Prato). Omero, Odyssea Esiodo, Opera et dies Gli antilogici erano coloro che teorizzavano e praticavano la possibilit di contraddire ogni argomentazione e ogni ragionamento. La cotila  un'unit di misura che equivale all'incirca a un quarto di litro. desire, love, beauty, il bello, amore, cupido, desiderio, platonismo, walter pater  Plathegel e Ariskant, sensibile, percezione, I platonisti fisiologia dellamore, convito di Platone, amore platonico, amore socratico, dottrina dellamore, I dialoghi dellamore di Platone: Fedro, Convito. GriceFicinos Commentaries on Plato, Tatti. Corpus, end of Trinity Term, 1936. The last day has a way of making one treat the ordinary as if it were already a document. I had packed, badly, and by “badly” I mean in the undergraduate fashion: books in heaps rather than in categories, notes bundled as if the string were an argument, and the whole business conducted under the hopeful illusion that if one leaves quickly enough one does not have to think of it as leaving at all. Yet I could not help lingering, and the cause of the lingering was not the room, or the court, or any of the obvious stone temptations of Oxford sentimentality, but an unreasonably vivid thought about Plato in two quite incompatible incarnations: Plato as Oxford keeps him, and Plato as Marsilio Ficino could not keep his hands off him. I had begun my philosophical studies, as I should later put it with the sort of fastidious convolution that sounds like a joke but is meant as precision, as a pupil of W. F. R. Hardie, later President of my then college, Corpus Christi, the author of a work on Plato which both is and is recognized as a masterpiece, whose book on the Nicomachean Ethics, in one of its earlier incarnations as a set of lecture-notes, saw me through years of teaching Aristotle’s moral theory; and it seems to me that I learnt from him just about all the things which one can be taught by someone else, as distinct from the things which one has to teach oneself. That sentence, which I cannot yet properly write because I have not yet properly lived it, is already, in miniature, the experience of these Corpus years: gratitude, accuracy, and a reluctance to let praise sound like mere praise. Hardie’s Plato, in tutorial form, was both severe and oddly clean. The Plato of the syllabus was not Plato the dangerous dramatist, Plato the writer who lets you overhear things you are not meant to overhear, Plato the author of that one dialogue which causes a certain sort of undergraduate to behave, as in that Forster scene one hears about, as if the Symposium were a special corridor leading straight from Greek into vice. Oxford’s Plato, in Greats, was rather the respectable triad: Sophist for negation, Theaetetus for knowledge, Republic for politics. It is not that those dialogues are tame; it is that they can be taught as if they were tame, because their questions can be made to look like examination questions, and Oxford has a genius for turning living talk into examinable form. Hardie could be wonderfully exact about the Sophist’s “not,” wonderfully patient about the Theaetetus’s hunt for an account of knowledge, wonderfully proper about the Republic’s architecture of the city and the soul. He would press you, not toward enthusiasm, but toward clean statement: what follows, what does not follow, what has been assumed without being announced. That, I now realise, was his moral pedagogy. He kept Plato “clean” not by censorship but by method: Plato became a set of problems in which the dramatic form was treated as the packaging rather than as part of the argument, and the packaging was politely ignored so that the argument could be made to stand up in a tutorial room with two undergraduates and a ticking sense of time. And then, in the very same term, I had stumbled into Ficino again, not in a text I was meant to read, but in the kind of accidental scholarly byway that Oxford never quite knows what to do with. Ficino does not keep Plato clean at all; Ficino makes Plato socially and metaphysically dangerous again by insisting that the dialogue is not merely a container for theses but the philosophical form itself, and then by fastening, with a Renaissance confidence, on the very places Oxford quietly brackets: the Symposium, the Phaedrus, the whole troublemaking cluster where eros, beauty, desire, and the movements of the soul are not “applications” but the thing. Ficino’s Plato is not a syllabus; it is an academy, a villa, a deliberate alternative to the medieval schools where the Stagirite reigned with a scholastic seriousness that was, by Renaissance standards, a kind of spiritual monotony. It is not that Oxford was ignorant of this history; it is that Oxford did not want to need it. We were trained, almost as a habit of institutional self-protection, to treat ourselves as the heirs of Greece directly, with Rome as a convenient translator, and with the medieval schools as a slightly embarrassing interval in which people asked questions in Latin that sounded too much like theology. Aristotle fitted that story; he fitted it so well that one almost suspects that Oxford’s fondness for Aristotle is not merely philosophical but temperamental: Aristotle is teachable, Aristotle is orderly, Aristotle lends himself to examination, and the Nicomachean Ethics can be turned into a weekly essay factory without too much violence. Hardie’s other gift to me, the one I could already feel even as I packed, was precisely this Aristotelian discipline: his work on Aristotle’s ethical theory, and, more to the point for the life of a tutor, his Nicomachean Ethics lecture-notes, in that earlier incarnate form, which were the sort of thing you could keep beside you like a manual of sanity when you were made to explain to bright boys why “the good” is not a slogan but a structure. That Oxford is more Aristotelian than Platonic is, in part, just historical inheritance; but there is also, I think, a faint revenge in it, a need to be unlike Cambridge Platonists, a need not to sound visionary. Oxford prefers the grounded to the exalted; it will let you be clever, but it frowns if you become transported. Ficino, of course, is transported by design. So on my last day as Scholar at Corpus, the bitter-sweetness came from a peculiar recognition: that my Plato, the Plato I could do in tutorials and be rewarded for doing, was a Plato that had been filtered by Oxford’s needs, by Hardie’s impeccable method, and by the examiners’ appetite for clean handles—Sophist, Theaetetus, Republic—whereas Ficino’s Plato, the Plato that had moved Europe by making dialogue itself a form of life and by turning love into a philosophical engine, was almost nowhere in the official oxygen of Greats. One could always find him, of course, if one wanted; but one was not asked to want. And that, in Oxford, is the most important kind of omission. It is not a prohibition; it is a presupposition that your interests will remain within the boundaries of what can be supervised. I do not mean to sound melodramatic about “not publishing.” Even now, as I pack, I can see that the life I am entering will be a life of thinking conducted largely in rooms, in talk, in notes that do their work without becoming books. Oxford encourages that: it gives you the weekly essay and the weekly tutorial as if that were philosophy’s natural habitat, and then later, when historians come along with their bibliographies, they behave as if a man’s thought did not exist until it was printed. What gives is simply this: a life can be spent philosophising and still leave, to the bureaucrat of publication, very little that counts as “output.” One day, much later, I might turn back to Plato more directly, even to Plato’s Republic explicitly, and I might also write something with Aristotle in the title that sounds almost scholastic in its dry way; but on this last day, I am still only leaving Corpus, with Hardie’s clean Plato behind me and Ficino’s unclean Plato tugging at the sleeve, and with the uncomfortable sense that Oxford has taught me how to do philosophy properly while also teaching me, by omission, which bits of philosophy it prefers not to hear too loudly.” “I count myself wonderfully fortunate to have begun my philosophical studies as a pupil of W. F. R. Hardie … the author of a work on Plato which both is and is recognized as a masterpiece …”Grice: Caro Ficino, se avessi commentato solo il Simposio di Platone, sarebbe già una grande impresa! Ma tu, da vero rinascimentale, hai insegnato a tutti che il dialogo è la forma filosofica per eccellenza. Persino i Romani, gli italiani… e anche noi inglesi, abbiamo imparato qualcosa, nonostante i tentativi di Cicerone! Ficino: Grice, tu mi lusinghi! Ma il dialogo, si sa, è come una cotila di buon vino: si beve meglio in compagnia. E sull’amore, che vuoi, tra Platone, Cupido e il bello, c’è sempre da discutere… Scommetto che anche le pietre di Maratona avrebbero qualcosa da dire! Grice: Ah, se solo potessimo conversare con Solone o Omero! Ma preferisco parlare con te, Ficino, che hai fondato l’Accademia in villa – altro che ginnasi e palestre! Qui si filosofeggia sul desiderio e si confuta per sport. Dario non ha mai avuto avversari così, neanche tra i filosofi antilogici! Ficino: Grice, la filosofia è un po’ come un combattimento tra uccelli addestrati: si vola, si sbatte le ali, ma alla fine si torna sempre all’amore platonico. E se la dottrina dell’amore non basta, ci pensa il portico… almeno lì nessuno ti confuta mentre ti godi il bello! Ficino, Marsilio (1474). Theologia Platonica de immortalitate animorum. Firenze: Alopa.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fidanza – Ossia: Grice e Fidanza: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale.  Giovanni di Fidanza (Bagnoregio, Viterbo, Lazio): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale. Grice: “Italians call F. an ‘anti-dialectician’ but then they have Aquinas, who is an hypoer-dialectiician!” essential Italian philosopher! F. is generally more liked than AQUINO at Oxford. More accademic, less dogmatic sort of type!”” Contro il lizio. Muore per avvelenamento. valora l’accademia distinzione della filosofia naturale res fisica matematica meccanica; razionale, segni, logica, retorica, grammatica; e morale, azione, politica, economica. reale, segno, agire verticale è iniziazione per gradi di perfezione verso l'unione mistica. L’intelletto agente comprende la verità dall'intelletto passivo. Nel itinerario della mente: scala dei tre gradi, primo esteriore, il corpo. L’anima ha tre direzioni. al corpo, sensibilità animalita; lo spirito, rivolto in sé e a sé; la mente che s’eleva sopra di sé. corpo, l’anima, e la mente. La sinderesi è la disposizione pratica al bene. Moore – external world mondo del corpore. primo modo e il vestigio o improntum. Il secondo l’immagine, che si trova solo nell’uomo, l’unica creatura dotata d'intelletto, in cui risplendono la memoria, l’intelligenza e la volontà. Il terzo e la similitudine, qualità propria d’una buona persona, una creature giusta, animata di benevolenza e carità. La natura e un segno sensibile. Vi dico che, se questi taceranno, grideranno le pietre. La pietra grida MEANS that thou shalt be benevolent. Una creatura e una impronta o vestigio, una immagine, una similitudine (Per Lombardo, ‘imago e similitude’ is redundant. la pietra e una impronta, significa, vede la relazione colla dottrina dell'immagine il creato, ente molteplice e temporale traccia dell'unità e atemporalità divina, unitatis e aeternitatis vestigium: nel sensibile la traccia o la manifestazione dell'essere divino in sé nascosto, punto di partenza della summitas theoriæ: omnis creatura corporalis atque visibilis sensibusque succumbens extremum divinæ naturæ vestigium non incongrue solet in scripturis appellari: Negati affirmatio; grideranno le pietre’ ‘la pietra grida’ – i segni trinitari -  primo grado: vestigio o impronta; secondo grado: immagine; terzo grado: similitudine. Grice: Caro Fidanza, dicono che tu sia un anti-dialettico, ma mi confesso un po’ confuso: come si può essere anti-dialettico in Italia, dove persino le pietre vogliono dire la loro? Fidanza: Ah, Grice, in Italia ci teniamo alle distinzioni: c’è chi dialoga, chi polemizza e chi contempla le pietre che gridano! Io preferisco salire la mia scala: corpo, anima e mente… Ma niente dialettica di troppo, quella la lascio volentieri ad Aquino! Grice: E meno male, perché ad Oxford ormai preferiamo te! Ma dimmi, questa storia della pietra che grida, è un modo elegante per dire che anche i filosofi hanno bisogno di far sentire la propria voce? Fidanza: Esattamente, caro amico! Qui da Bagnoregio, anche se restiamo con i piedi per terra, ci piace pensare che tra vestigi, immagini e similitudini, si trovi sempre il tempo per una buona conversazione. E se i filosofi tacciono… ci pensano le pietre a rompere il silenzio! Fidanza, Giovanni di (1250). Commentaria in Sententias Petri Lombardi.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fiduculanio – Ossia: Grice e Fidiculanio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fidiculanio. The Fidiculanii are a family at Rome. It is known chiefly from a single individual, Gaius F. Falcula, a Roman senator, and one of the judices at the trial of Statius Albius Oppianicus. The general indignation at the verdict convicting Oppianicus led to accusations of irregularities against F., but he was acquitted. On subsequent occasions Tullio Cicero presents F. in different lights, according to the needs of his clients.[1][2]  See also List of Roman gentes References  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Cluentio 37, 41, Pro Caecina 10, Pseudo-Asconius in Act. I. in Verrem p. 146, Schol. Gronov. in Act. I. in Verrem p. 396, ed. Orelli.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)    GENS      This article about Roman gentes is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by adding missing information.  Categories: Roman gentesRoman gentes stubs This Fiduculanio seems Griceian in that we never know what HE means but what TULLIO thinks HE (Fiduculanius) means "different lights, according to the needs of Tullio's clients")? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fiduculanio – Ossia: Grice e Fidiculanio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fidiculanio. Yes, I think Fidiculanius Falcula is almost a paradigmatic Speranza–Grice case, because the problem is not:  "What did Fidiculanius mean?"  but rather:  "What does Cicero need Fidiculanius to mean today?"  The gens entry itself is effectively making that point when it says:  Cicero presents Falcula in different lights according to the needs of his clients.  That's a remarkably Gricean observation. In a normal Gricean inquiry, we ask:  What was the speaker's meaning?  But with Cicero, especially the advocate Cicero, we often get:  What characterization of this person best serves the present forensic purpose?  So the relevant intentionality is not always that of Fidiculanius but that of Cicero.  Two Ciceros Imagine: Cicero for Client A CICERO  Fidiculanius vir integerrimus est. "Fidiculanius is a man of the highest integrity."  Cicero for Client B CICERO  Fidiculanius suspectus est. "Fidiculanius is a dubious fellow."  The interesting question becomes:  Which Cicero do we believe?  A Roman advocate might answer:  uterque. "Both."  Because each speech is not a biography but an advocacy document.  Grice and opaque contexts The situation resembles an intensional problem. We never observe:  Fidiculanius himself speaking.  Instead we observe:  Cicero speaking about Fidiculanius.  So what we receive is already filtered through:  Cicero's objectives, Cicero's client, Cicero's audience, Cicero's rhetorical strategy.  Formally:  Cicero believes Fidiculanius is P.  is very different from:  Fidiculanius is P.   A Speranzian dialogue GRICEVS  Qualis erat Fidiculanius? "What sort of man was Fidiculanius?"  CICERO IN PRO CLVENTIO  Talis. "Such-and-such."  CICERO IN ANOTHER CASE  Non, sed talis. "No, rather such-and-such."  GRICEVS  Et quis erat re vera? "And what was he really?"  CICERO  Hoc ad causam non pertinet. "That is irrelevant to the case."   The deeper Gricean point In philosophy of language we often distinguish:  the world, the description of the world.  Fidiculanius is one thing. "Cicero's Fidiculanius" may be several things. A modern historian is therefore confronted not with a transparent object but with competing rhetorical constructions. One might almost say:  We know less about Fidiculanius than about Cicero's uses of Fidiculanius.  And that is why he is so attractive to a Gricean. The surviving evidence is not primarily evidence about Fidiculanius' intentions; it is evidence about Cicero's intentions in presenting him. The meaning we recover is often advocacy-meaning rather than Fidiculanius-meaning. In fairness to Tullio, apparently F.'s case against himself (from the charge of which he was acquited) involved 'general' indignation, and not just Tullio -- or not even Tullio's? Thanks -- one of the judices at the trial of Statius Albius Oppianicus. The general indignation at the verdict convicting Oppianicus led to accusations of irregularities against F., but he was acquitted. On subsequent occasions-- Yes, that's a very fair correction to the gens-entry's formulation. The entry says:  "The general indignation at the verdict convicting Oppianicus led to accusations of irregularities against F., but he was acquitted."  The key phrase is:  general indignation.  That means the suspicion surrounding Fidiculanius Falcula did not originate with Cicero. On the contrary, the sequence is roughly:  Oppianicus is convicted. Public outrage and suspicion arise about how the trial was conducted. Charges are brought against some of the judges, including Falcula. Falcula is acquitted. Cicero later refers to him in different contexts and with different rhetorical emphases.  So the original cloud over Falcula's reputation belongs to the wider political and judicial controversy, not necessarily to Cicero's invention. Indeed, if we think Griceanly, Cicero inherits an already contested public figure: Public Opinion  "Something seems odd about that trial."  Only afterward does Cicero have to decide how to position Falcula for the purposes of a particular case.  A nice distinction emerges: Before Cicero speaks There is already:  Falcula quaestio "the Falcula question"  or at least public suspicion surrounding the judges. After Cicero speaks There is:  Falcula-as-described-by-Cicero-in-this-particular-speech.  Those are not the same thing.  One might imagine: GRICEVS  Cur de Falcula disputatur? "Why is Falcula controversial?"  ROMANVS  Quia populus iam indignabatur. "Because the public was already indignant."  GRICEVS  Et Cicero? "And Cicero?"  ROMANVS  Postea eum ad causas suas accommodavit. "Afterward he adapted him to the needs of his cases."  That, I think, is the fairest reading. The notoriety was not created by Cicero; what Cicero does is rhetorically manage an already notorious figure, presenting him more favorably or less favorably depending on the forensic demands of the moment.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Figliucci – Ossia: Grice e Figliucci: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale di Giove e Ganimede Felice Figliucci (Siena, Toscana): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale di Giove e Ganimede –Grice: “Of course I love F., who doeesn’t? Of course, there is F. and [Vincenzo] F., both moralists at Siena; what I love about F. is that he champions the big ones: il Fedro accademico– with the charismatic metaphor of the winged warrior; and then Fedro is an interesting character for maieutica; and the ethical ‘books of the lizio, which we hope he instilled on Alexander! While some Englishmen would use euphemysms when subtitling Phaedrus, a dialogue on love and beauty, F. contradicts Diogenes for whom Phaidros is peri ton erotes – and has it as il fedro o vero dialogo del bello, del bello is neuter in Italian (kalon), but also masculine, hence F.’s reference to Giove and Ganimede!” Si laurea a Padova. Del bello FICINO; Filosofia morale Politica, ovvero scienza civile.  IL FEDRO O VERO IL DIALOGO DEL Bello. Persone del Dialogo, SOCRATE, E FEDRO. O Fedro mio caro,doue uai tu,ac Soc. donde uieni ^ F E D. Socratc,io uego da cafa di Lifia figliuolo di Cefalo,flC hora me ne uh un poco à fpafTo fuor della città: per ciò che buona peza feco à ragionar fedendo, da quefta mattina per tempo, per fino à hora fon dimorato. Et hora,c(rendo à ciò ftato perfuafo,da Acumeno tuo amico, fiC mio,fò caminando efTercitio: il qual modo di efTercitarfi, egli affai più facile, CC molto più gjoueuole giu:sdica, che laftaticarfi nel correre, come molti fanirsno. SOCR. Certamente Fedro mio, eh* egli ti configlia bene^ma fecondo il tuo dirc,Lifu dee elTere nella città, è uero. FED, Ve^sro, fi£ alloggia infieme con Epicrate nella cafa di Morico,uicino al Tempio di Gioue Olimpiót SOCR. rimali di gratia,clie faceuate uoi quiui f Inuitouui forfè Lifia al parto delle fuc orationii' Non di meno anchora che ella non fia (lata cefi, egli m'è foptags giunta una fi gran uogliad' udirla, che (e tu cdis minando te ne andaflj perfino à Mcgara,flC fc (comeècoftume di Hcrodico ) tofto che alle mura della città fiifli giunto.indietro te ne tornaflì,io per queflo fon difpofto di Giove e Ganimede, il bello, bei, kalos, kaloi, kaloskagathos, kalon, eros, to kalon, to kalos, eros. Grice: Carissimo Figliucci, ho letto del tuo amore per il Fedro accademico – con quella meravigliosa metafora del guerriero alato. Ma dimmi la verità: sei tu più Socrate o più Fedro? O magari ti ritrovi nei panni di Ganimede, pronto a volare sulle ali di Giove? Figliucci: Ah, Grice, se solo avessi le ali di Ganimede, eviterei tutti i compiti da moralista a Siena! Ma, da bravo padovano, preferisco restare con i piedi per terra e la testa tra le nuvole del bello. Sai, tra Socrate e Fedro, si finisce sempre col filosofare sotto qualche tempio… magari quello di Giove Olimpico! Grice: E invece gli inglesi, quando sottotitolano il Fedro, si arrampicano sugli specchi con i loro eufemismi! Tu invece, come un vero italiano, chiami le cose col loro nome: eros, il bello, kalos. Altro che peri ton erotes! Si vede che hai studiato a Padova, dove il latino si mescola al dialetto! Figliucci: Grice, ti confesso che tra Giove, Ganimede e il kaloskagathos, la mia vita è più un dialogo che una lezione. Se instillassi l’etica anche ad Alessandro, almeno avrei una scusa per volare alto... ma al massimo mi concedono una passeggiata fuori dalle mura! Siamo filosofi, non piccioni viaggiatori. Figliucci, Felice (1541). De animae immortalitate. Siena: Venturini.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Filangieri – Ossia: Grice e Filangieri: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura dello stato di ragione.  Gaetano Filangieri (San Sebastiano al Vesuvio, Napoli, Campania): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura dello stato di ragione. Grice: The importance of F.  is in the concept of ragione retorica; indeed, on the footsteps of VICO, F. posseduto della ragione, shows that illuminism is incompatible with the ancien regime! There are many references, but unsystematic, to the Romans, or to Roman Law, but not a systematic chronological thing. Romolo is cited twice, and there are passing comments on the Twelve Tables and its corrections, how the Romans are disallowed to sell their own children. There’s a critique to the dislike for the frugality that the Roman law enjoins. Also a praise for the dittaura, and references to CICERONE. The references to the Roman and the Roman law have been systematically studied. He refers to an emerging nation as Rome is under Romolo and makes passing comments on aristocracy, monarchy, mixed government, republic, and the question of citizenship: how the Romans bestow Roman citizenship on habitants of cities other than Rome! Catholicism gives a bad name to Roman!” Si laurea a Napoli. riforma di giustizia illuminismo. Morale de' legislatori, favorevole alla pena di morte, mettendo in discussione BECCARIA. Afferma che nello stato di natura  non lo stato civile -- ciascuno ha il diritto di togliere la vita a tutti per proteggere la propria ingiustamente minacciata. La scienza della legislazione. riflessioni politiche su l'ultima legge del sovrano. riguardano la riforma dell'amministrazione della giustizia. la necessità, per il magistrato, di motivare la propria sentenza in base alla legislazione nel regno, eliminare gli abusi e i privilegi per il giudice. Delle sessioni ordinarie di giustizia. straordinarie. Magistratura per ogni comunità. Della criminale procedura. La difesa criminale sentenza che assolve riparazione del danno giudizio di calunnia sentenza che sospende che condanna e corichili- La scienza distoglierlo dal provvedersi de legislazione lo stato secondo ragione naturale civile  costume il romano la costume dei romani devere e volonta  implicatura deontica  passione e ragione  illuminismo anti-clericalismo anti-Romano. Grice: What are you reading, Shropshire. Shropshire: Practising my Dane. Grice: Your what. Shropshire: Danish. It is the only language that makes English look brisk. Grice: I thought you were practising your Latin, like a decent Christian. Shropshire: Latin is for chapel and punishment. Danish is for the sheer sport of consonants. Grice: Why Danish at Corpus. Shropshire: Because you cannot practise a Dane without Danish, and I have decided to do the job properly. Grice: A Dane. Shropshire: A Danish scholar. Jakob Jonas Björnståhl. Grice: Say that again, slowly, so it can be spelt. Shropshire: Björnståhl. The man comes south, takes notes, and makes Italians sound tidy. Grice: And what did your Dane say. Shropshire: He said Filangieri showed him an interesting, unpublished paper on politics and law. Grice: Interesting. Shropshire: Interesting. Grice: Unpublished. Shropshire: Unpublished. Grice: Politics and law. Shropshire: Politics and law. Grice: That is remarkably nonspecific. Shropshire: That’s Danes for you. Grice: You cannot expect the exactness of a G. E. Moore. Shropshire: You can, but you will wait a long time and learn Swedish by accident. Grice: Read the Danish, then. Out loud. I want to hear what “interesting” sounds like when it has been pickled. Shropshire: Very well. The phrase I want is “an interesting paper.” Grice: Yes. Shropshire: “Et interessant skrift.” Grice: Et. Shropshire: Et. Grice: That is our “a” with a hangover. Shropshire: It is their “a” with a sense of entitlement. Grice: Interessant. Shropshire: Interessant. Grice: That is scandalous. The Danes have stolen “interesting” without paying duty. Shropshire: They do that. They take the English word, straighten it, and pretend it was always theirs. Grice: And “paper.” Shropshire: Skrift. Grice: Skrift. Shropshire: Skrift. Grice: That sounds like something you do to a pupil with a ruler. Shropshire: Or something you catch in the wrong bath. Grice: It also sounds like “script,” which is appropriate if the Dane is writing in his notebook and calling it scholarship. Shropshire: Exactly. “Skrift” is a nice word: it means writing, text, scripture, paper, and it refuses to say which. Grice: Like a Dane. Shropshire: Like a Dane. Grice: So Filangieri showed him an “et interessant skrift.” Shropshire: Yes. Grice: Now give me “unpublished.” Shropshire: That is where Danish gets honest. “Upubliceret.” Grice: Upubliceret. Shropshire: Upubliceret. Grice: That is just “unpublished” wearing a Danish coat. Shropshire: A very tight coat. Grice: And “politics and law.” Shropshire: That is the vexed bit. The obvious is “politik og lov.” Grice: Politik og lov. Shropshire: Politik og lov. Grice: Again, theft. “Politik” is merely politics with the last consonant sent to bed early. Shropshire: And “lov” is law. Grice: Lov. Shropshire: Lov. Grice: That is grotesque. Law is love. Shropshire: It explains Scandinavia. Grice: It also explains why the Dane says “politics and law” and leaves it there. He cannot decide whether he is reporting jurisprudence or romance. Shropshire: He is reporting a Mediterranean adolescent showing off to a tourist. Grice: Filangieri was seventeen or eighteen in 1771. Shropshire: Roughly our age. Grice: So our parallel is exact: a young man with too much cleverness shows a visiting foreigner a paper. Shropshire: And the foreigner says “interesting” because he has no other polite adjective ready. Grice: Why was the Dane visiting. Shropshire: Because he was a visiting Danish scholar. Grice: That is not an answer. That is a circle. Shropshire: Circles are the only geometries tourists understand. Grice: Was he posted. Shropshire: He was not a postman, if that is what you mean. Grice: I mean did he have a position that took him to Italy. Shropshire: He had the position of being Danish and bored. Grice: That is not an office. Shropshire: It is the most binding office in Europe. Grice: Surely he had some academic excuse. Shropshire: The academic excuse is always “antiquities,” “manuscripts,” “health,” or “the air.” Grice: The air. Shropshire: Danes love the Mediterranean coast. Any excuse will do. Grice: So he comes south for sun, finds a Neapolitan prodigy, and records an “et interessant skrift.” Shropshire: Exactly. And then we inherit the vagueness and pretend it is evidence. Grice: But what does the Dane actually say, in Danish, about the showing. Shropshire: He would say something like: “Filangieri viste mig et interessant, upubliceret skrift om politik og lov.” Grice: Viste mig. Shropshire: Showed me. Grice: That is at least specific: showed. Shropshire: Danes can be precise when it comes to seeing. Grice: Because they do not see much of the sun at home. Shropshire: Precisely. Grice: But “om” is “on.” Shropshire: Yes, “om politik og lov.” Grice: On politics and law. Still no topic. Shropshire: That is the whole point. “Politics and law” is a suitcase label. Grice: It is like saying “philosophy.” Shropshire: Or “Greats.” Grice: Or “Mods.” Shropshire: Or “some beastly paper.” Grice: If Moore had written it, he would have told you whether the paper was on the meaning of “ought” or the analysis of “law.” Shropshire: Danes do not do “ought.” They do “lov.” Grice: Law-love. Shropshire: Lov-love. The Danes keep it shorter. Grice: And “interesting.” “Interessant.” A lazy word. Shropshire: A diplomatic word. Grice: A word that means, “I cannot be bothered to specify, but I do not wish to be rude.” Shropshire: Exactly what a tourist needs. Grice: Still, it anchors a date. 1771. Shropshire: And it anchors a youth. Filangieri being about our age. Grice: And it anchors a genre. “Skrift.” A paper. Shropshire: A skrift. Grice: It also anchors a vice. Showing off. Shropshire: The universal vice of the clever seventeen-year-old. Grice: And the universal vice of the visiting scholar: recording enough to sound informed, not enough to be checked. Shropshire: That is not a vice. That is a method. Grice: It is a method with the implicature of innocence. Shropshire: Everything in Danish has the implicature of innocence. Even the vowels look apologetic. Grice: Read the whole line again. Shropshire: “Filangieri viste mig et interessant, upubliceret skrift om politik og lov.” Grice: And now translate it with Oxford exactness. Shropshire: “Filangieri showed me a written thing, unpublished, and of some interest, concerning politics and law.” Grice: Better. “Written thing” keeps “skrift” honest. Shropshire: “Paper” makes it sound like a newspaper, and you’d start asking whether Filangieri meant The Times. Grice: Filangieri meant an unpublished political-legal essay. Shropshire: And the Dane meant, “I had a pleasant afternoon.” Grice: And we mean, “We have a datum.” Shropshire: That is what scholars do. Turn afternoons into dates. Grice: You make the Dane sound lazy. Shropshire: I make him sound Danish. Grice: Fair. Shropshire: Lov. Grice: Do not start again. Shropshire: It is irresistible. Grice: All right. One more. What is Danish for “visit.” Shropshire: “Besøg.” Grice: Besøg. Shropshire: Besøg. Grice: That looks like a sneeze with an umlaut. Shropshire: It is a polite sneeze. Like everything Danish. Grice: So the Dane made a besøg, got an interessant skrift, and went home satisfied. Shropshire: Yes. And Filangieri went home thinking he had impressed the North. Grice: And now, at Corpus, we sit here and practise our Dane to make the whole business sound more learned than it is. Shropshire: That is Oxford, too. Grice: That is Oxford entirely. Shropshire: Now do you want me to practise the word “Björnståhl” again. Grice: No. I want you to practise the habit of being specific. Shropshire: That is not Danish. Grice: That is Moore. Shropshire: Then you should practise your Moore. Grice: I am already condemned to it. By 1771, a visiting Danish scholar (Jakob Jonas Björnståhl) recorded that Filangieri showed him an interesting, unpublished paper on politics and law. Grice: Non credo di essere mai stato in una villa più bella di questa, caro Filangieri. Qui, tra i profumi del Mediterraneo e la vista che si apre sulle scogliere, ogni pensiero filosofico sembra acquistare una limpidezza straordinaria. È davvero un luogo ideale per riflettere sulla ragione e sullo stato! Filangieri: La ringrazio, professore Grice; la villa è effettivamente un rifugio per la mente, dove la natura stessa ci invita a contemplare le leggi che governano gli uomini. Qui, immersi nella bellezza, la ragione si fa più viva e la riflessione sulle istituzioni acquista un tono quasi poetico. Grice: E proprio in questo scenario, Filangieri, mi viene da pensare a quanto la tua idea di ragione retorica si intrecci con la tradizione romana: l’antica legge, la frugalità e persino la dittatura, che tu hai saputo rivalutare. Non è forse vero che la scienza della legislazione deve sempre guardare alla giustizia, ma anche alla passione e al costume dei popoli? Filangieri: Assolutamente, Grice. La ragione, per me, non è mai solo calcolo freddo; si nutre di passioni, di storia, di consuetudini. Come sostengo nella mia Scienza della legislazione, il legislatore deve farsi interprete non solo della legge, ma anche dello spirito e della moralità che animano la società. Solo così la giustizia diventa veramente umana e luminosa come il nostro Mediterraneo. Filangieri, Gaetano (1771). La politica e la legge. Letto a Napoli.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Filippis -- Ossia: Grice e Filippis: la ragione conversazioanle e l’implicatura conversazionale metafisica. Vincenzo De Filippis (Tiriolo, Catanzaro, Calabria): la ragione conversazioanle e l’implicatura conversazionale metafisica. Grice: “F. is an interesting one, for one there is a Palazzo De Fillippis; for another he was into the philosophy of mathematics; he was executed, but not for this.”  Martire. Si laurea a Napoli sotto GENOVESI. Conosce PAGANO e CANTERZANI. Insegna a Catanzaro. principale artefice della repubblica. Con la caduta della Repubblica, venne messo a morte per impiccagione. Morale. Metafisica, Vite degl'Italiani benemeriti della libertà e della patria, Albo illustrativo della Rivoluzione Napoletana; Croce, Ceci, Ayala, Giacomo, Morano. Patriota. Rao, La Repubblica napoletana, Roma, Newton, F. De' terremoti della Calabria Ultra.  Baldini, F. in Dizionario biografico degli italiani, Roma, Istituto dell'Enciclopedia Italiana, Ayala, Vite degl'italiani benemeriti della libertà e della patria, Torino, Roma, Firenze, Fratelli Bocca, Voci correlate Repubblica Napoletana (Repubblicani napoletani giustiziati, F. Commutators with power central values on a Lie ideal, Pacific Journal of Mathematics, F., Left annihilators of commutators with derivation on right ideals, Communica- tions in Algebra, F., O.M. Di Vincenzo, Posner’s second theorem, multilinear polynomials and vanishing derivations, Journal of Australian Mathematical Society, F., An Engel condition with generalized derivations on multilinear polynomials, Israel Journal of Mathematics, Albas, N. Argac, V. De Sharma, Dhara, F., Garg, A result concerning nilpotent values with generalized skew derivations on Lie ideals, Communications Algebra Filippis, F. Wei, b-generalized skew derivations on Lie ideals, Mediterr. Journal of Math. Ashraf, F., Pary, Tiwari, Derivations vanishing on commutator identity involving generalized derivation on multilinear polynomials in prime rings, Commu- nications Algebra F., Dhara, Generalized Skew-Derivations and Generalization of Homomorphism Maps in Prime Rings, Comm. Algebra F., Polynomial Identities in Algebras” Roma, Springer Indam Series. implicatura metafisica. Grice: Filippis, tra “implicatura metafisica” e filosofia della matematica, tu fai sembrare persino un palazzo un argomento con le fondamenta. Filippis: Certo, e infatti il Palazzo De Filippis è la mia prova: se regge lui, regge anche la logica (al massimo scricchiola in dialetto napoletano). Grice: Però ammettilo, essere impiccato “ma non per la matematica” è l’unico modo davvero drastico di dire che la filosofia non è sempre un gioco da salotto. Filippis: Vero, ma almeno così ho lasciato la Repubblica con coerenza: una vita da patriota e una morte da nota a piè di pagina, mica male per uno che insegnava a Catanzaro. Filippis, Vincenzo De (1783). De’ terremoti della Calabria Ultra relazione a Canterzani.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Filisco – Ossia: Grice e Filisco: la ragione conversazionale e l’orto romano Filisco: la ragione conversazionale e l’orto romano -- Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Filosofo italiano. Filisco follows the doctrines of the Garden. Along with his lover, Alcio, he is expelled from Rome – “or perhaps he just wanted to leave.” – Cicerone. GRICEVS: O FILISCE, audivi te hortum Epicuri colere—num Roma ipsa te colit, an potius te expulit? FILISCVS: Roma me expulit, ut dicunt; ego autem dico me sponte discessisse, ne etiam urbs mea “implicaretur.” GRICEVS: At Ciceroni credendum est, nisi forte et ille “velit” te mansisse dum te eicit. FILISCVS: Credat Ciceroni qui vult; ego cum Alcio in horto rideo, nam expelli aliquando est elegantissima via abeundi. This Filisco and his friend Alicio -- sound Greek? Classical studies spell that as PHILLISCUS and ALICIUS? Could they be Italy-born Latin speakers, do we know? Yes, they sound Greek, or at least Greek-facing, but the evidence is too thin to let us conclude much about birthplace or first language. The names as you give them, Filisco and Alcio, do look like Italianised or Latinised forms of names that are more naturally Greek in cultural atmosphere. The classicalising spellings one would expect are indeed closer to Philliscus or Philiscus for Filisco, and Alcius or perhaps Altius or Alcios depending on what underlying name is really intended for Alcio. But here caution is essential, because transmission of minor names in Cicero and later handbooks is often messy, and modern Italian forms can flatten distinctions that matter. Philiscus is certainly a recognisable Greek name-type. One meets Greek names of that sort often enough among philosophers, freedmen, intellectuals, and resident Greeks at Rome. So Filisco very naturally suggests a Greek or Hellenised person. Alcio is harder. If the intended ancient form is Alcius, that does not strike the ear as exclusively Greek in the same way. If it conceals a form closer to Alceus or Alcimus or some other Greek name, then the Greek colouring grows stronger. But from Alcio alone I would not want to legislate. As to whether they could be Italy-born Latin speakers, yes, absolutely they could. A Greek name in Rome does not prove foreign birth. By the late Republic and early Empire, Greek names are borne by many sorts of people in Italy: Greek immigrants, freedmen and descendants of freedmen, Italians with strong Hellenising family culture, and people whose social world was bilingual or at least Greek-facing. So the right answer is: their names strongly suggest Greek or Hellenised associations, but that does not by itself tell us whether they were born in Greece, in Rome, or elsewhere in Italy, nor whether Greek or Latin was their first spoken language. If this is the Philiscus connected with Epicurean circles and with Cicero’s notice of expulsions, then the social probability is that he belonged to the broad Greek intellectual presence at Rome. But social probability is not biography. Rome had many resident Greeks, and it also produced people who were locally born yet culturally Greek in education and name. So the driest formulation is this: Philiscus is very plausibly a Greek name, and Filisco is just the Italianised form. Alcio is less secure, but may also reflect a Hellenised name. Neither name alone proves non-Italian birth. They may have been Greek immigrants, Greek-descended residents of Italy, or locally born Italians moving in Greek intellectual circles. We do not, on the bare evidence usually available, securely know their birthplace or first language. And yes, if one were restoring a more classical spelling for Filisco, Philiscus would be the natural candidate, more than Philliscus, though the double l can appear in some modernising or Hellenising respellings. For English-language classical work, Philiscus is the likelier standard form. If you like, I can next try to identify exactly which Philiscus and Alcius Cicero has in view, and then say what the sources actually allow us to know about them rather than what the names merely suggest.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fiorentino – Ossia: Grice e Fiorentino: la ragione conversazionale e la lingua dei romani in Catone.  Francesco Fiorentino (Sambiase, Lamerzia Terme, Catanzaro, Calabria): la ragione conversazionale e la lingua dei romani in Catone. Grice: “When I write about the longitudinal continuity of philosophy, pupils learn from tutors, I am thinking of F.! storia della filosofia. I like F.; for one, he influences the idealist GENTILE. F. manages to write two important tracts: a systematic manuale of elementi di filosofia with a section on semantics, communication, and language; his view on the latitudinal history of philosophy  and a storia della filosofia, again seen as a manual, literal handbook! Both very clear and addressed the right audience!” Si laurea a Nicastro, sotto Marco e Crecca. giurisprudenza. ll'ignominosa resa del generale Ghio nell'incontrare Garibaldi a Maida, F. gli si avvicina gridando: Vogliamo l'annessione! nel martirio di BRUNO panteista La affinità che, in chiave politica, ritrova GIOBERTI, grande statista. Insegna a Bologna. storia della filosofia romana, si interessa dell'epoca risorgimentale mettendo in risalto filosofi minori non maiore pocco conosciuti, La filosofia romana; Pomponazzi; anima immortale natura in Telesio Manuale di Storia della Filosofia. stile incisivo e spigliato. Tansillo Itinerario di FIDANZA, arbitrio Proslogio d’AOSTA. CONTI dice che il lizio distinge l’intelletto agente che fa intelligibili le cose dal possibile che le concepisce. Ma il LIZIO nel De Anima chiama intelletto possibile quello che tutto diventa, agente quello che tutto fa, l’intelletto concepisce gl’intelligibili. Non ci sono le cose intelligibili distinte dal concetto. Se il LIZIO pone differenza tra i due intelletti  do not multiply them!, si  contradice. CONTI travisa la dottrina del LIZIO il possibile precede l’agente come la potenza precede l’atto. Per CONTI avviene il contrario perchè attinge questa distinzione non dal LIZIO ma da qualche espositore che 1’ha compreso male, e ha l’aria di non sospettare il problema, ne di parecchi altri rilevantissimi, contento a sfiorarli quando non li trasanda del tutto! Ah, la storiografia filosofica italiana e l’unita longitudinale e latitudinale della filosofia che, come la virtu e una e unica! Grice: Fiorentino, mi affascina la sua prospettiva sulla continuità storica della filosofia. Come pensa che la lingua dei Romani abbia influenzato il modo in cui riflettiamo oggi sul pensiero filosofico? Fiorentino: Egregio Grice, la lingua dei Romani è stata fondamentale per trasmettere il rigore e la chiarezza del pensiero filosofico. Non a caso Catone e Pomponazzi ci hanno insegnato che la precisione linguistica è il primo passo verso un’autentica comprensione della realtà. Grice: Concordo pienamente! Trovo che la vostra attenzione all’unità longitudinale e latitudinale della filosofia arricchisca il dialogo tra le epoche. Come vede il rapporto tra gli ideali del Risorgimento e la filosofia romana? Fiorentino: Il Risorgimento ha reinterpretato la tradizione romana, valorizzando anche filosofi minori e meno conosciuti. La filosofia, a mio avviso, è come una grande famiglia: ogni generazione aggiunge un tassello, e la virtù resta una e unica, proprio come insegnava Bruno nel suo martirio. Fiorentino, Francesco (1861). l panteismo di Bruno. Napoli.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fioretti – Ossia: Grice e Fioretti: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dei pro-ginnasti.  Benedetto Fioretti (Mercatale, Pistoia, Toscana): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dei pro-ginnasti. Grice: “At Oxford, we have the Parson’s Pleasure—but at Athens, it was all about the GYM, starting of course with Aristotle and his Lizio! the gym. I like F.; thought-provoking; he says Plato should never have chosen ‘dialogue’ as a philosophical genre, and he is right; in my long tutorial life at Oxford I NEVER asked a tutee to write a dialogue for me! If Plato were the standard, that’s what we’d do!” pro-ginnasio, ginnasio un'ampia raccolta di note critiche su autori di varie epoche, dai latini agli italiani da cui emergono la straordinaria versatilità e ricchezza interessi dell'autore. Come moralista, scrisse “Osservazioni di creanze e Esercizi morali. Critico acerrimo del lizio ed Ariosto, ed altri autori classici. È stato anche co-fondatore degl’Apatisti. Ma ha risposto alle minacce con una satira che raggiunse le mani del conte, che immediatamente ordina l'arresto. Ma accorto fuggì, e i partigiani del conte trovarono solo un'iscrizione nella casa del prete che recita: Resurrexit, non est hic. Rifugiato a Firenze, Si dedicò alla filosofia. Udeno Nisieli, di nessuno, ad eccezione di Dio".  diligente filologo e critico. Proginnasmi” ginnasio, pro-ginnasio, contenente critiche ai romani. Al suo pseudonimo solito aggiunga la qualifica di "accademico apatita. La imparzialità dei suoi giudizi condizione essenziale per sentirsi membro di questa accademia Polifemo Briaco” Proginnasmi poetici” Disabled Masculinity." Gendering Disability. Ed. Bonnie G. Smith and Beth Hutchison. Rutgers University Press, New Brunswick, New Jersey. Voci correlate Androgino Bromance Bushidō Castro clone Comunità ursina Femminilità Indice di mascolinità Leather Patriarcato (antropologia) Sessismo Twink (linguaggio gay) Collegamenti esterniModifica The Men's Bibliography, tipi di ginnasio: pais ragazzo (12-17 adolescens), 18-20 efebo; +20 neos. Oriuolo, progrinnasio, ginnasio, tre tipi di ginnasio: paides, 12-14, nuoi, o neoi, 15-18, 18+ efebi --. Terme – ginnasio e terme – giocchi nudi – nudita atletica – nudita eroica. pro-ginnasmi. Grice: Fioretti, dimmi la verità: al ginnasio preferivi lo stile spartano o quello romano? Io a Oxford non sopportavo le docce fredde, figuriamoci correre nudo come gli antichi! Fioretti: Grice, a Firenze basta un po’ di ironia e una buona fuga: quando il conte mi voleva arrestare, ho lasciato solo un’iscrizione e son sparito. In palestra, invece, la nudità è solo un modo per dire “sono qui, non sono altrove”. Grice: Che saggezza! Se Platone avesse scelto la satira invece del dialogo, forse oggi gli studenti riderebbero di più e scriverebbero meno temi dolorosi. Ma dimmi, il tuo giudizio imparziale è davvero da “apatista” o hai un trucco segreto? Fioretti: Grice, il mio unico trucco è la libertà: giudicare senza paura e allenare la mente come il corpo, così che, alla fine, anche il filologo può scappare più veloce del partigiano! E se manca Dio, mi basta un buon ginnasio. Fioretti, Benedetto (1620). Proginnasmi poetici.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Firmiano – Ossia: Grice e Firmiano: la ragione conversazonale e il culto di Giove – Roma filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Filosofo italiano. Roman priest and philosopher. GRICEVS: Firmianē, si sacerdos Iovis es, rogo num Iuppiter ipse aliquando maximas conversationis colat.  FIRMIANVS: Gricē, colit quidem—nam cum tonat, plus quam satis “quantitatis” servat.  GRICEVS: At cum fulmen mittit, videor intellegere implicaturam: “desinite, aut tacebo clarius.”  FIRMIANVS: Ita est, et ego inter aras didici hoc sacrum praeceptum: cum Iuppiter loquitur, etiam philosophi breves fiunt.

 

Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fl

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flaminio – Ossia: Grice e Flaminio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Flaminio. The Flaminii are a family at ancient Rome. In former times the F. were believed to be only a family of the Quinctia gens; but this opinion arose from a confusion of the Flaminii with the Flaminini, the latter of whom belonged to the ancient patrician Quinctia gens. F. is evidently a derivative of flamen, and seems to have originally denoted a servant of a flamen. The main praenomina used by the F. were Gaius and Lucius. At least one of the F. bore the praenomen Titus, but he may have been a freedman, and thus it is not apparent whether this name was regularly used by the F. The only family names of the Flaminia gens that we know are Chilo and Flamma. There is no evidence for the cognomen Nepos, which Orelli gives to the F. who fell in battle at Lake Trasimene.[1][3]  Chilo, or Cilo, as the name seems to have been written in either way on coins of the Flaminia gens, is found as a surname in a number of Roman families. The Latin grammarians, however, state that Cilo was applied to a person with a long and narrow head, and Chilo to one with large or thick lips. Lucius F., grandfather of the consul of 223 and 217 BC. Gaius F. L. f., father of the consul of 223 and 217 BC. Gaius Flaminius C. f. L. n., consul in 223 and 217 BC, magister equitum in 221, and censor in 220. In his first consulship, he triumphed over the Insubres. In his second, he fell in battle against Hannibal at Lake Trasimene. Gaius F. C. f. C. n., served under Scipio Africanus in Hispania during the Second Punic War. He was consul in 187 BC, and defeated the Triniates and the Apuani. Gaius F., praetor in BC 66, together with TULLIO Cicero. Some years before, F. had been curule aedile, and Cicero had defended Decimus Matrinius before his tribunal. Gaius F., a man of Arretium, whither he had probably gone with the colonists whom Sulla had established there. He is mentioned as one of the accomplices of Catiline. In one manuscript of Sallustius he bears the cognomen Flamma.[10] Titus F. Flamma, possibly a freedman of the Flaminia gens, was a debtor of Lucius Tullius Montanus, whose brother-in-law wrote to TULLIO Cicero to beg indulgence or delay in repayment of the debt. TULLIO Cicero frequently requested Atticus to bring Flamma to a settlement; and writing to his own freedman, Marcus Tullius Tiro, TULLIO Cicero hints at stronger measures, and his desire to have part of the debt paid by the first of January, BC 44.[11] Lucius F. Chilo or Cilo, appears only on coins of the Flaminia gens. An inscription on the obverse may indicate that Chilo was one of the quattuorviri monetales, appointed by GIULIO Caesar in place of the earlier triumviri monetales.[12] See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Paulus Diaconus, epitome of Festus, De Significatu Verborum (epitome of Marcus Verrius Flaccus) s. vv. Flaminius Camillus, Flaminius Lictor.  Johann Caspar von Orelli, Onomasticon Tullianum ii. p. 254.  Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum v. p. 212.  Velius Long. p. 2234.  Flav. Caper, p. 2242.  Charis. p. 78, ed. Putschius.  Sextus Pompeius Festus, epitome of Marcus Verrius Flaccus, De Verborum Significatu s. v. Chilo.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Cluentio 45, 53.  Gaius Sallustius Crispus, The Conspiracy of Catiline 28, 36.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Atticum xii. 52, xiv. 16, 17, xv. 2.  Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum v. pp. 212, 213.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Categories: FlaminiiRoman gentes Of this gens, which one would be your choice for the Grice/Speranza vignette, and can you specify further on the Griceian aspects of the F. for which there is already an entry here? Thanks --

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flaminio – Ossia: Grice e Flaminio. "I will," he said—or is said to have said, for nobody could have heard him, as he was quite alone, and nobody could have been listening, or the bottle would have been snatched out of his hand; "I will deliver the Romans from the dread which has so long tormented them, since they think it too long to wait for the decease of a worn-out old man." Here he may be supposed to have paused; and, after giving the bottle another final shake, to have continued as follows: "Flaminius's victory over a foe, unarmed and betrayed, will not redound much to his honour;" and, with a mental once, twice, thrice, and away, the wretched Hannibal may be imagined to have raised the nauseous draught to his lips, and to have tossed it off with desperate energy. What was the complete birth name of Flaminio? Abbott has Annibale in his suicide speech mentioning him -- attested in Latin? Input? Feedback? Thanks. Abbott: Grice e Flaminio. "I will," he said—or is said to have said, for nobody could have heard him, as he was quite alone, and nobody could have been listening, or the bottle would have been snatched out of his hand; "I will deliver the Romans from the dread which has so long tormented them, since they think it too long to wait for the decease of a worn-out old man." Here he may be supposed to have paused; and, after giving the bottle another final shake, to have continued as follows: "Flaminius's victory over a foe, unarmed and betrayed, will not redound much to his honour;" and, with a mental once, twice, thrice, and away, the wretched Hannibal may be imagined to have raised the nauseous draught to his lips, and to have tossed it off with desperate energy. What was the complete birth name of Flaminio? Abbott has Annibale in his suicide speech mentioning him -- attested in Latin? Input? Feedback? Thanks. Abbott: Grice e Flaminio. "I will," he said—or is said to have said, for nobody could have heard him, as he was quite alone, and nobody could have been listening, or the bottle would have been snatched out of his hand; "I will deliver the Romans from the dread which has so long tormented them, since they think it too long to wait for the decease of a worn-out old man." Here he may be supposed to have paused; and, after giving the bottle another final shake, to have continued as follows: "Flaminius's victory over a foe, unarmed and betrayed, will not redound much to his honour;" and, with a mental once, twice, thrice, and away, the wretched Hannibal may be imagined to have raised the nauseous draught to his lips, and to have tossed it off with desperate energy. -- If so, FLAMINIO WOULD BE THE ONLY KRIPKE PROPER NAME ROMAN USED BY ANNIBALE in oratio recta? – No. Annibale refers to FLAMINO, not to this one. Great—this is a very nice case of disentangling Abbott’s rhetoric from what the ancient sources actually say. Let me answer your three points precisely:  1. The full Roman name of “Flaminio” The consul killed at Lake Trasimene is:  Gaius Flaminius (often further specified in later sources as Gaius Flaminius Nepos) [en.wikipedia.org], [grokipedia.com]  So: ItalianisedLatinFlaminioGaius Flaminius (Nepos)  2. Does Hannibal mention Flaminius in his suicide speech? No — not in Livy. Here is the key point:  Livy does give Hannibal’s final words (Book 39.51) but they include:   “Liberemus … populum Romanum …” (“Let us free the Roman people…”) and criticism of Flamininus (T. Quinctius Flamininus, the Roman envoy), not Flaminius [thelatinlibrary.com] So:  the Roman named in that speech is:  Flamininus, not Flaminius     Important distinction NamePersonFlaminiusconsul killed at Trasimene (217 BC)Flamininuslater Roman commander/diplomat (2nd century BC), involved in Hannibal’s end.  Abbott has confused or merged them.  3. Is there any ancient passage where Hannibal says anything about Flaminius? ❗ No direct attested oratio recta like Abbott’s.  Neither Livy nor Polybius gives Hannibal a final speech mentioning:  Flaminius   Lives of Hannibal (Livy, Nepos, etc.) focus instead on:  Rome betrayal by kings Flamininus (envoy). So Abbott’s line:  “Flaminius’s victory over a foe, unarmed and betrayed…”  is: pure Victorian reconstruction / satire —not derived from Latin sources.   4. Your Kripke-style observation (very sharp) You ask:  would Flaminius be the only “proper name” Hannibal uses in oratio recta?  Given the real texts:  Hannibal’s final speech (Livy):  speaks collectively:  populus Romanus   mentions:  Flamininus     does not mention:  Flaminius. So even here:  the naming is sparse and functional, not “proper-name dense”   5. What Abbott is doing Abbott is blending:  Hannibal’s death scene (Livy / Nepos) with earlier Roman figures:  Flaminius (Trasimene)   into a mock “speech”  So:  he creates a pseudo-oratio recta with misattributed name   6. Final synthesis. Full name: Gaius Flaminius (Nepos) Hannibal does not mention him in Livy’s final speech. Livy’s speech instead includes:  Flamininus, a different Roman    Abbott’s version:  literary and ironic not philologically grounded     One-line takeaway  Abbott’s “Flaminius” in Hannibal’s suicide speech is a conflation: the real Livian text has Hannibal refer (indirectly) to Rome and to Flamininus, not Flaminius, so the supposed proper-name usage is a Victorian fabrication rather than an attested instance of Latin oratio recta.   If you like, we can look at where Livy actually gives Hannibal genuine speeches (e.g. before battles), where proper names are handled quite differently.  For the Flaminii, my choice is very definitely Gaius Flaminius, the consul who died at Lake Trasimene. Not merely because he is the most famous Flaminius, but because he sits at the intersection of:  popular politics, signs and omens, interpretation, intention, and retrospective blame. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com]  That is pure Gricean territory. Why Flaminius is Gricean Ancient writers, especially Livy and those influenced by him, often describe Flaminius as a man who ignored warnings, omens, and advice. Later Romans read his defeat as a lesson. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com] The Gricean problem is:  Did the signs mean what later Romans said they meant?  or  Were they only interpreted that way after the catastrophe?  In other words: Before Trasimene  an omen is ambiguous.  After Trasimene  the omen "obviously" predicted disaster.  That is exactly the sort of retrospective enrichment that Grice would distrust.  A Trasimene vignette HARVSPEX  Signa mala sunt. "The signs are bad."  FLAMINIVS  Signa pugnam non vincunt. "Signs do not win battles."  After the defeat: HISTORICVS  Signa vera erant. "The signs were true."  GRICEVS  Quando hoc cognovisti? "When did you discover that?"  HISTORICVS  Post cladem. "After the disaster."  That is the Gricean sting.  The Abbott–Hannibal passage The Abbott passage you quote is actually interesting for another reason. As we discussed, Abbott puts into Hannibal's mouth:  "Flaminius's victory over a foe, unarmed and betrayed, will not redound much to his honour."  But the ancient attested versions of Hannibal's death do not contain that speech about Flaminius. Abbott is composing a Victorian rhetorical scene. [en.wikipedia.org] A Gricean would ask:  Who means this?  Not Hannibal. Rather:  Abbott means it through Hannibal.  That is a beautiful case of layered speaker meaning. As for the existing Speranza vignette The "nobody could have heard Hannibal" joke is already wonderfully Gricean. A speech uttered in absolute solitude is problematic: HANNIBAL  Dicam... "I shall speak..."  GRICEVS  Cui? "To whom?"  If nobody can hear the utterance, it ceases to be a normal case of Gricean non-natural meaning. The speech survives only because later narrators reconstruct it. That is why Abbott's scene is so delightful philosophically: it is a speech whose content is entirely supplied by subsequent interpreters. And that, in a sense, is also the fate of Gaius Flaminius himself. Much of what we "know" about him is filtered through later Roman interpretations of what his actions were supposed to mean. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com]FLAMINIO NEPOTE (XXX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flaminio – Ossia: Grice e Flaminio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Flaminio. A second candidate: Titus Flamma the debtor If I wanted a less famous Flaminian vignette, I might actually choose:  Titus Flamma, the debtor whom Cicero keeps trying to bring to a settlement.  Because there the whole story turns on negotiation, delay, hints, and what Cicero calls for only indirectly. Your entry notes that Cicero repeatedly asks Atticus to persuade Flamma to settle and hints to Tiro that stronger measures might become necessary. That is intensely Gricean. CICERO  Velim Flamma componat. "I should like Flamma to settle."  ATTICVS  Et si non componat? "And if he does not?"  CICERO  Non dixi quid tum faciendum sit. "I have not said what should then be done."  The implicature does all the work. For the second, indeed, as per wiki entry for gens, there's the use of 'hint' by wiki writer, which is Griceian. "I hereby hint that..." does not work -- so what is Tullio hinting? Can we get the Latin? It occurred to Grice and Speranza that since this Flamma was perhaps a former slave, and the gens was Flaminia, the master (whose gens derives from flamen, an office connected with flames?) thought of calling him "Flamma", as you can call a dog "Fido" -- and then on manumission, he becomes Flaminius Flamma -- otherwise the allitation and cognateness doesn't make sense. Thanks Titus F. Flamma, possibly a freedman of the Flaminia gens, was a debtor of Lucius Tullius Montanus, whose brother-in-law wrote to TULLIO Cicero to beg indulgence or delay in repayment of the debt. TULLIO Cicero frequently requested Atticus to bring Flamma to a settlement; and writing to his own freedman, Marcus Tullius Tiro, TULLIO Cicero hints at stronger measures, and his desire to have part of the debt paid by the first of January, BC 44 Yes, and here the genuinely Gricean word in the gens entry is indeed:  "Cicero hints at stronger measures."  As Grice liked to point out, one cannot felicitously say:  "I hereby hint that..."  because an explicit declaration destroys the hint. A hint works precisely by being recoverable rather than stated. On Flamma's name Your conjecture is actually quite plausible as an onomastic possibility, although I have found no source explicitly stating it. We know only what the gens entry says:  Titus Flaminius Flamma (or Titus F. Flamma) was possibly a freedman of the Flaminia gens.  If he was indeed a freedman, the structure would fit a very common Roman pattern:  master: Flaminius slave name: Flamma ("Flame") manumitted slave: Titus Flaminius Flamma  The alliteration is exactly the sort of thing Roman masters often tolerated or even liked. Your comparison with naming a dog "Fido" is not absurd at all. Slave names were frequently chosen for sound, character, appearance, wit, irony, or convenience. And yes, there is an attractive etymological chain:  flamen Flaminius Flamma  even if we cannot prove that the owner consciously reasoned that way.  What is Cicero hinting? The interesting passage is not in a speech but in Cicero's correspondence concerning debts. The gens entry itself summarizes the situation:  Atticus is asked to bring Flamma to a settlement; Cicero wants some payment by 1 January 44 BC; writing to Tiro, Cicero hints at stronger measures.  The sources cited are:  Ad Atticum xii.52; xiv.16–17; xv.2.  Unfortunately, the search results I found contain the books but not the specific passages mentioning Flamma. [thelatinlibrary.com], [attalus.org] So I cannot responsibly quote the exact Latin without locating the individual letters. What I can say is that the gens-entry's wording strongly suggests a familiar Ciceronian strategy: Explicit level  "I hope a settlement can be reached."  Implicit level  "If not, legal pressure will follow."  That is precisely the kind of thing one hints rather than states.  A Gricean reconstruction CICERO  Cupio ut Flamma paciscatur. "I wish Flamma would settle."  ATTICVS  Et si non paciscatur? "And if he does not?"  CICERO  Kalendis Ianuariis aliquid esse oportebit. "Something ought to be paid by the first of January."  No threat is uttered. Yet the hearer recovers:  "Failure to settle will have consequences."  That recovered content is the hint.  The freedman angle If Flamma really was a former slave of the Flaminii, there is another delightfully Roman irony. FLAMMA once receives freedom. Later: FLAMMA owes money. And now another Roman letter-writer is wondering how much pressure may be applied to him. A Gricean vignette would almost write itself: ATTICVS  Quid vis faciam? "What do you want me to do?"  CICERO  Nihil grave. "Nothing severe."  ATTICVS  Intellego. "I understand."  GRICEVS  Quid intellegis? "What do you understand?"  ATTICVS  Gravius aliquid. "Something rather severe."  Which is exactly how hints tend to work. They communicate most successfully when not fully spelled out. Does this help -- below? I would not call it 'hint' though? In his correspondence with his secretary and confidant Tiro, the "strong measures" Marcus Tullius Cicerohints at regarding the debtor Flaminius Flamma involve squeezing or wrenching the money out of him via financial pressure. [1, 2] The user's query references Fam. XV 2, but the text regarding Flamma actually appears in Book XVI (Ad Familiares 16.24). This letter was written later, around mid-November 44 BCE. [1, 2] The Latin Text and Context In Ad Familiares 16.24.1, Cicero writes to Tiro concerning urgent outstanding debts: [1] "Offilio et Aurelio utique satis fiat. a Flamma, si non potes omne, partem aliquam velim extorqueas, in primisque ut expedita sit pensio Kal. Ian." [1] English Translation and Meaning "At all events, let Offilius and Aurelius be satisfied. From Flamma, if you cannot wrench the whole, I should like you to extort some part, and above all see to it that the payment due on the Kalends of January is unencumbered." [1] Breakdown of the "Strong Measures" The Verb Extorqueas: Cicero uses the strong verb extorquere (literally "to twist out," "wrench away," or "extort"). While this is colorful financial metaphors rather than physical violence, it indicates that Tiro should use aggressive, unyielding legal and social pressure to demand the debt. [1, 2, 3] The Urgency: Flamma owed money that Cicero desperately needed to satisfy his own creditors (Offilius and Aurelius) by January 1st. Because Cicero's cash flow was tight, he authorizes Tiro to accept partial payment (partem aliquam) as long as Flamma is squeezed for everything he can immediately produce.[1, 2] Would you like to examine more of Cicero's letters regarding his financial difficulties in 44 BCE, or look closer at Tiro's role as his financial administrator? [1] Yes, this helps a lot, and I now think the gens-entry's "hints at stronger measures" is probably a little misleading. The crucial Latin is:  a Flamma, si non potes omne, partem aliquam velim extorqueas, in primisque ut expedita sit pensio Kal. Ian.  A fairly literal translation:  "From Flamma, if you cannot get the whole amount, I should like you to wrench out at least some part of it, and above all to ensure that the payment due on the Kalends of January is ready." (Ad Fam. 16.24.1)  The key word is:  extorqueas ← extorquere  literally:  "twist out," "wrench out," "extract by pressure."  That's not a hint. It's practically the opposite of a hint. A Gricean contrast: Hint CICERO  Velim Flamma paulo diligentius admoneatur. "I should like Flamma to be reminded a little more carefully."  Implicature:  "Put some pressure on him."  What Cicero actually says CICERO  partem aliquam velim extorqueas.   "I want you to wrench some part of it out of him."  The pressure is no longer implicated. It is virtually explicit.  Where the Gricean interest remains Not in the verb extorqueas. That is wonderfully un-Gricean in its candour. The Gricean part lies elsewhere. Cicero does not specify:  what methods, what legal steps, what social leverage.  He merely gives the goal. So Tiro must infer:  "Employ whatever pressures are available."  The means remain underdescribed.  On Flamma's name Your speculation is actually very attractive. If Flamma was indeed a freedman of the Flaminii, we would have something like:              MasterSlave/FreedmanFlaminiusFlamma which is exactly the sort of naming pattern one finds in Roman society. Not because Flamma derives etymologically from Flaminius, but because Roman naming habits often played with sound and association. And the semantic field:  flamen (priest), Flaminius, flamma (flame),  would have made the pairing memorable. I cannot prove that this is what happened, but it is certainly a plausible hypothesis. And we'd think know-it-all Varro did think 'flamen' (priest) is cognate with 'flame' because, well... flames -- and they ARE cognate, right? Varro very likely would have been tempted by the connection, and many ancient Romans probably were too. The sound resemblance is irresistible:  flāmen (priest) flamma (flame)  especially since Roman religion involved sacrifice, fire, altars, and sacred rites. But modern etymology is more cautious. The evidence suggests that flamen has an uncertain origin. One proposed etymology would make it cognate with flamma, deriving both from a root connected with burning or shining; another derives flamen from a different root entirely, connected with religious activity or sacrificial performance. Modern scholars do not regard the connection as certain. [en.wiktionary.org] By contrast, flamma itself is securely connected with a root meaning "to shine, blaze, burn." [en.wiktionary.org], [etymonline.com] So:                     WordAncient Roman intuitionModern verdictflammaflamecertainly "flame"flamenpriestuncertain; may or may not be related to flamma A wonderfully Varro-like dialogue would be: VARRO  Cur flamen flamen dicitur? "Why is a flamen called a flamen?"  DISCIPVLVS  Propter flammas. "Because of the flames."  VARRO  Probabile est. "It is plausible."  GRICEVS  Probabile non idem est ac verum. "Plausible is not the same as true."  From a Speranzian standpoint, the really interesting thing is that a Roman hearer would very naturally take:  flamen → flamma  as a meaningful association even if historically accidental. And that brings us back to Flaminius Flamma. Even if the names are not scientifically cognate, a Roman ear would almost certainly notice the echo:  Flaminius Flamma  much as an English ear notices something like:  "Mr. Burns the fireman."  Whether the master consciously chose the slave name for that reason we cannot prove, but it is exactly the sort of onomastic play that Romans delighted in. The association would have been available to them regardless of whether modern linguists ultimately judge flamen and flamma to share the same Indo-European origin. [en.wiktionary.org], [en.wiktionary.org]

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flaviano – Ossia: Grice e Flaviano: la ragione conversazionale in attacco d’un domma.  Flaviano: la ragione conversazionale in attacco d’un domma. Grice: “I love F.; but then I love rhetoric, and like F., hate an enigma – especially if proposed by Dummett!” rhetoric, rettorica conversazionale, enigma, allegoria, philosophical eschatology, retorici romani, oratori romani. Cadde in disgrazia presso Graziano. La sua ampia erudizione, arreca a F. il favore di Teodosio, che lo nomina praefectus praetorio dell’Italia. Eugenio lo nomina console. F. spera di potere abbattere i galilei con la vittoria d'Eugenio. F. s’uccise quando Eugenio e sconfitto da Teodosio che, in considerazione della sua fama letteraria, ne deplora la morte di F. in Senato. F. gode autorità soprattutto nella scienza augurale e nell'arte mantica in generale. Macrobio nei Saturnali assegna a F. l’ufficio di interprete della escatologia nell'Eneide di VIRGILIO.  Amico di Eustazio, F. pubblica De dogmatibus philosophorum. F. scrive una vita di Apollonio di Tiana. F. compone De consensu nominum (“Fido”) et verborum (“is shaggy”). Annales. Collabora con Eugenio nel tentativo di ricordare la religione romana. Di una delle più prestigiose famiglie di Roma, riceve una ottima educazione. Vicario della diocesi. Tene questa carica quando ricevette l'editto contro il donatismo, che era molto forte, ma il fatto che in una lettera lo scambi per un donatista è un indizio che F. si schierò in effetti con coloro che avrebbe dovuto perseguitare. Per questo motivo e rimosso dalla carica l'anno seguente. Ha il compito di formulare le leggi per Teodosio. La sua nomina a Prefetto del pretorio dell'Italia lo rende uno dei più potenti funzionari dell'impero. La sua carriera e dovuta alla volontà di Teodosio di mantenere buoni rapporti con il partito romano, forte nei circoli aristocratici e senatoriali, di cui Flaviano era uno dei massimi rappresentanti.  Grammatical Invention at  the Margin of Literacy. Columbia, S.C.: University of South Caro lina Press, Relihan, J. “Rethinking the History of the Literary Symposium.” Illinois  Classical Studies Ross, The Works of Aristotle. Oxford: Clarendon, Rossi, DE DOGMATIBVS PHILOSOPHVM. Virio Nicomaco Flaviano. Roma, Lazio. GRICEVS: Flaviane, rhetorica te amo, sed aenigmate Dummettiano ita perhorresco ut malim dogma ipsum oppugnare quam illud interpretari. FLAVIANVS: Ne cures, Grice, nam ego aenigmata in allegoriam verto, ut etiam galilaei putent se intellegere dum nos rideamus.GRICEVS: At tu, praefecte praetorio, leges Theodosio scribis; num etiam implicaturas in senatum legis quasi responsa augurum? FLAVIANVS: Ita sane, et si quis non capit, dico “hoc est eschatologia in Aeneide,” atque omnes statim consentiunt ne stulti videantur.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Flavio. The emperor Vespasian, from the Museo Nazionale Romano. The gens Flavia was a plebeian family of ancient Rome. Its members are first mentioned during the last three centuries of the Republic. The first of the Flavii to achieve prominence was Marcus Flavius, tribune of the plebs in 327 and 323 BC; however, no Flavius attained the consulship until Gaius Flavius Fimbria in 104 BC. The gens became illustrious during the first century AD, when the family of the Flavii Sabini claimed the imperial dignity.[1]  Under the Empire, the number of persons bearing this nomen becomes very large, perhaps due to the great number of freedmen under the Flavian dynasty of emperors. It was a common practice for freedmen to assume the nomina of their patrons, and so countless persons who obtained the Roman franchise under the Flavian emperors adopted the name Flavius, which was then handed down to their descendants. Freedmen under the Constantinian dynasty, whose members were also called Flavius, also adopted it, as did individuals who entered government service during their rule, often replacing their original nomina with the dynastic Flavius.[1][2]  The vast majority of persons named Flavius during the later Empire could not have been descended from the Flavia gens; and indeed, the distinction between nomina and cognomina was all but lost, so that in many cases one cannot even determine with certainty whether it is a nomen or a cognomen. However, because it is impossible to determine which of these persons used Flavius as a gentile name, they have been listed below.[1][3]  Origin The Flavii of the Republic claimed Sabine ancestry, and may have been related to the Flavii who lived at Reate during the first century AD, from whom the emperor Vespasian descended; but the gentilicium is also found in other parts of Italy, such as Etruria and Lucania.[1] The nomen Flavius is of Latin origin, and is derived from the surname Flavus, used by a number of gentes, and meaning "golden" or "golden-brown". It probably referred to the blond hair possessed by an early member of the family.[4][5]  Later use During the later period of the Empire, the name Flavius frequently descended from one emperor to another, beginning with Constantius Chlorus, the father of Constantine the Great.[1][6] The name became so ubiquitous that it was sometimes treated as a praenomen, to the extent of being regularly abbreviated Fl., and it is even described as a praenomen in some sources, although it was never truly used as a personal name, and from the time of Honorius it appears chiefly in letters.[6] It once again became a regular part of the nomenclature of the eastern emperors from Justinian I through the reign of Constantine IV, and appearing as late as the reign of Leo VI in the tenth century.[1][7][8] After the name fell into disuse among the Byzantine emperors, it was used as a title of legitimacy among the barbarian rulers of former Roman provinces, such as Visigothic Spain and the kings of the Ostrogothic Kingdom of Italy and the Kingdom of the Lombards. From the fourth century AD onwards, the name is widespread among non-emperors as a mark of dignity. It is widespread in epigraphy from Germania. In Egypt, where the evidence is best, it was part of the full name of all Imperial officials, all provincial officials, the highest civic officials, and most soldiers. This usage appears shortly after Constantine gained control of the province in 324 AD. Between 287 and 326 AD, Egyptians had used Valerius (the nomen of Constantine's predecessors) in a similar way. People not entitled to "Flavius" bore the nomen Aurelius or no nomen. Initially, people sometimes used the name Flavius alongside another nomen that they were entitled to (e.g. Julius, Aelius), but these other nomina died out over the fifth century.[11] In the fourth century, the name was not inherited by children or wives of the "Flavius", but from the fifth century higher-ranking holders sometimes passed the name to their descendants.[12] After the Arab conquest of Egypt in 646, the use of "Flavius" was less consistent and after some time it died out.[13]  In modern use, Flavius is a personal name, and widely used in romance languages, including Italian and Spanish Flavio (fem. Flavia), French Flavien (fem. Flavie), Portuguese Flávio (fem. Flávia), and Romanian Flavius or Flaviu (fem. Flavia).  Praenomina The early Flavii used the praenomina Marcus, Quintus, Gaius, and Lucius. Of these, only Gaius and Lucius are known from the family of the Fimbriae. The name Gnaeus occurs once, but as the son of a freedman of the family, and thus does not seem to be representative of the gens. The Flavii Sabini appear to have restricted themselves to the praenomen Titus alone, and distinguished their sons by the use of different surnames, usually by giving the younger sons surnames derived from their maternal ancestors.  Branches and cognomina The Flavii of the Republic used the cognomina Fimbria, Gallus, Lucanus, and Pusio.[1] Only the Fimbriae, whose surname refers to a fringe or border, represented a distinct family.[14][15] Gallus and Lucanus belong to a class of surnames derived from places of origin or association, referring to Gaul and Lucania, respectively, although Gallus, a very common surname, could also refer to a cockerel. Pusio was originally a nickname indicating a little boy, and would have been bestowed on someone small or youthful.[18]  The Flavii Sabini, whose surname indicates Sabine ancestry, rose to prominence under the Empire. They were descended from Titus Flavius Petro, a soldier from Reate who fought under Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus. Within two generations they had attained such respectability that two of his grandsons held the consulship in consecutive years, AD 51 and 52; the younger of these marched to Rome at the head of an army in the year of the four emperors, AD 69, and claimed the imperial dignity as the emperor Vespasian. However, within less than thirty years, the family was largely destroyed through the workings of Vespasian's son, the emperor Domitian.[19][16] The Flavii Titiani may be descended from the Flavii Sabini through the consul Titus Flavius Clemens, a nephew of Vespasian; the first of this branch, Titus Flavius Titianus, who was governor of Egypt from AD 126 to 133, may have been his son.  A family of the Flavii bearing the surname Valens lived at Hatria, and from there migrated to Rome in imperial times, where two of them served as prefects of different cohorts.[20]  Members This list includes abbreviated praenomina. For an explanation of this practice, see filiation. Marcus Flavius, tribune of the plebs in BC 327 and 323.[21][22] Gnaeus Flavius, the son of a freedman, he was secretary to Appius Claudius Caecus, and served as aedile in 304 BC. Flavius, or Flavius Lucanus, a Lucanian, who went over to Mago during the Second Punic War, and delivered the proconsul Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus, in return for the promise that the Lucanians should be free and retain their own constitution. Quintus Flavius, an augur who, according to Valerius Maximus, was accused by the aedile Gaius Valerius (perhaps the same who was curule aedile in BC 199). When fourteen tribes had already voted against Flavius, who again asserted his innocence, Valerius declared that he did not care whether the man was guilty or innocent, provided he secured his punishment; and the people, indignant at such conduct, acquitted Flavius. Quintus Flavius, of Tarquinii, murdered the slave Panurgus, who belonged to Gaius Fannius Chaerea, and who was to be trained as an actor by Quintus Roscius, the celebrated comedian.[28] Lucius Flavius, an eques, who gave evidence against Verres in BC 70. He probably lived in Sicily, and was engaged in mercantile pursuits. He appears to be the same Lucius Flavius who is mentioned as procurator (that is, the agent or steward) of Gaius Matrinius in Sicily.[29] Gaius Flavius, brother of Lucius, and likewise an eques, whom Cicero recommended in BC 46 to Manius Acilius, praetor of Sicily, as an intimate friend of Cicero's late son-in-law, Gaius Calpurnius Piso Frugi.[30] Gaius Flavius Pusio, is mentioned by Cicero as one of the equites who opposed the tribune Marcus Drusus.[31] Lucius Flavius, praetor in BC 58, and a supporter of Pompeius. He was plebeian tribune in 60 BC and failed in passing a land reform programme for Pompey's veterans. He was also a friend of both Cicero and Caesar, and may have been the same Flavius whom Caesar entrusted with one legion and the province of Sicily in BC 49.[32][33][34][35] Gaius Flavius, an eques of Asta, a Roman colony in Spain. He and other equites, who had belonged to the party of Pompeius, went over to Caesar in BC 45. It is uncertain whether he is the same Gaius Flavius who is mentioned among the enemies of Octavian, and who was put to death in BC 40, after the taking of Perusia. Gaius Flavius, a friend of Brutus, whom he accompanied to Philippi in the capacity of praefectus fabrum. Flavius fell in the Battle of Philippi, and Brutus lamented over his death.[38][39][40][41] Flavius Gallus, a military tribune serving under Marcus Antonius in his unfortunate campaign against the Parthians in BC 36. During Antonius' retreat, Gallus made an inconsiderate attack upon the enemy, for which he paid with his life.[42] Flavii Fimbriae Gaius Flavius Fimbria, the father of Gaius Flavius Fimbria, the consul of 104 BC. Gaius Flavius C. f. Fimbria, consul in 104 BC; acquitted of extortion, despite significant evidence. With other consulars, took up arms against the revolt of Saturninus in 100. A clever jurist and powerful orator, his reputation had faded by Cicero's time, when his speeches were scarcely to be found. Gaius Flavius C. f. C. n. Fimbria, a violent partisan of Gaius Marius, at whose funeral he tried to kill Quintus Mucius Scaevola, the Pontifex Maximus. Sent to Asia in an expedition against Mithridates and Sulla, Fimbria led a mutiny against the consul Valerius Flaccus, whom he murdered, taking command of the army. With much savagery, he subdued much of Asia, but when his men went over to Sulla, he took his own life.[14][43] Flavius C. f. C. n. Fimbria, brother of Gaius, was likewise in the service of the Marian party in the war against Sulla, 82 BC, and was legate to Gaius Norbanus. He and other officers of the party of Carbo were invited to a banquet by Publius Albinovanus, and then treacherously murdered.[44] Lucius Flavius Fimbria, consul suffectus in AD 71, during the months of July and August.[45][46] Flavii Sabini  Aurei of the Flavian dynasty Titus Flavius Petro, grandfather of the emperor Vespasian, was a native of the municipium of Reate, and served as a centurion in the army of Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus at the Battle of Pharsalus, 48 BC.[47] Titus Flavius T. f. Sabinus, father of Vespasian, was one of the farmers of the tax of the quadragesima in Asia, which he collected with so much fairness that many cities erected statues to his honour with the inscription, καλως τελωνησαντι. He afterwards carried on business as a money-lender among the Helvetii, and died in their country. Titus Flavius T. f. T. n. Sabinus, the elder brother of Vespasian, was consul suffectus in AD 52, and praefectus urbi for most of Nero's reign. The emperor Vitellius offered to surrender the empire into his hands until the arrival of Vespasian, but the soldiers of each refused this arrangement, and Sabinus was murdered by Vitellius' troops, despite the emperor's attempts to save him. Titus Flavius T. f. T. n. Vespasianus, the emperor Vespasian, was consul suffectus in AD 51, and proconsul in Africa and Judaea under Nero. He became emperor in AD 69, on the death of Vitellius, and reigned until his death in 79. Flavia Domitilla, otherwise known as Domitilla the Elder, the wife of Vespasian. Titus Flavius (T. f. T. n.) Sabinus, consul suffectus in AD 69, was probably a nephew of the emperor Vespasian. He was one of the generals appointed by the emperor Otho to oppose the forces of Vitellius, but after Otho's death, he submitted to the conqueror, and caused his troops in the north of Italy to submit to the generals of Vitellius.[48] Titus Flavius T. f. T. n. Sabinus, son of the consul of 52, and nephew of Vespasian, he was consul with his cousin, the emperor Domitian, in AD 82, but afterwards slain by the emperor on the pretext that the herald proclaiming his consulship had called him Imperator instead of consul.Titus Flavius T. f. T. n. Clemens, son of the consul of 52, and nephew of Vespasian, he was consul with his cousin, the emperor Domitian, in AD 95. Although the emperor had intended Clemens' sons to succeed him in the empire, and renamed them Vespasian and Domitian, he had his cousin put to death during his consulship, according to Cassius Dio on a charge of atheism, implying that he had become a Christian.[52][53] Titus Flavius T. f. T. n. Vespasianus, the emperor Titus, reigned from AD 79 to 81. Titus Flavius T. f. T. n. Domitianus, the emperor Domitian, emperor from AD 81 to 96. Flavia Domitilla, otherwise known as Domitilla the Younger, the daughter of Vespasian. Julia Flavia, daughter of the emperor Titus; she married her cousin, Titus Flavius Sabinus, consul in AD 82. He was murdered by Julia's uncle, the emperor Domitian, who then took his niece for a mistress. Flavia Domitilla, daughter of Domitilla the Younger, and granddaughter of Vespasian; she married her cousin, Titus Flavius Clemens, consul in AD 95. He was murdered by Domitilla's uncle, the emperor Domitian, and Domitilla was exiled. Flavii Titiani Titus Flavius Titianus, governor of Egypt from AD 126 to 133. Titus Flavius Titianus, governor of Egypt from AD 164 to 167. Titiana, mother of Flavia Titiana, the wife of Pertinax. Titus Flavius Claudius Sulpicianus, consul suffectus c. AD 170, and proconsul in Asia, 186. His daughter, Flavia Titiana, married the future emperor Pertinax, and Sulpicianus served as praefectus urbi under Pertinax and Didius Julianus. He was put to death by Septimius Severus in 197. Titus Flavius Titianus, consul suffectus circa AD 200; he was probably the same Titus Flavius Titianus who was procurator of Alexandria under Caracalla, and who was put to death by Theocritus, c. 216. Flavia Titiana, the wife of Pertinax, and Roman empress in AD 193. Titus Flavius Postumius Titianus, consul in AD 301. Flavii Apri Marcus Flavius Aper, consul in AD 103.[54] Marcus Flavius Aper, consul in AD 130.[55] Marcus Flavius M. f. Aper, consul in AD 176.[56] Titus Flavius Aper Commodianus, legate in Germania Inferior in AD 222 and 223, was consul in an unknown year.[57] Lucius Flavius Aper, praeses of Pannonia Inferior in the second half of the third century. He may be identified with Aper, praetorian prefect and father-in-law of the emperor Numerian, whose death he allegedly and unsuccessfully tried to conceal, and was thereupon slain by Diocletian.[58][59] Others Flavius Scaevinus, a senator of dissolute life, took part in the conspiracy of Piso against Nero. It was through Milichus, the freedman of Scaevinus, that the conspiracy was discovered by Nero. Milichus was liberally rewarded by the emperor, and Scaevinus put to death.[60] Subrius Flavus, called Flavius in some manuscripts, tribune of the praetorian guard, and an active agent in the conspiracy against Nero, after the discovery of which he was put to death. Lucius Flavius Silva Nonius Bassus, consul in AD 81. He had been governor of Judaea from 73 to 81, and led the Roman forces at the siege of Masada, which fell in 74. Titus Flavius Josephus, a historian of Jewish origin, who was captured by the future emperor Vespasian after the siege of Iotapata. He was spared execution, and eventually found favour with Vespasian, Titus, and Domitian, adopting the name Titus Flavius in honour of his patrons. Titus Flavius Hyrcanus, the third son of Josephus. Titus Flavius Justus, the fourth son of Josephus. Titus Flavius Simonides Agrippa, the fifth son of Josephus. Lucius Flavius Arrianus, called by the Athenians the young Xenophon, a historian of the second century. He was Greek, but received the Roman franchise and the right to hold high office from the emperor Hadrian in AD 124, whence he adopted the name Lucius Flavius. He held the consulship in AD 146. Titus Flavius Clemens, also known as Clement of Alexandria, one of the early Church fathers, lived from the middle of the second century to the second decade of the third century. He may have been born at Athens. His relationship to the other Flavii, or to Titus Flavius Clemens, the consul of AD 95, who may have been a convert to Christianity, is unknown; Clement's parents are thought to have been well-to-do pagans. Given the large number of persons who adopted the nomen Flavius during this period, his name could be coincidental.[61] Flavius Caper, a Roman grammarian of uncertain date; he may have lived in the second century. Flavius Flavianus, equestrian governor of Mauretania Tingitana AD 153.[62][63] Flavius Calvisius, apparently the same as Gaius Calvisius Statianus, the governor of Egypt under Marcus Aurelius, took part in the revolt of Avidius Cassius, but was treated by the emperor with great leniency, and was only banished to an island.[64] Titus Flavius Piso, governor of Egypt circa AD 181.[65] Titus Flavius Genialis, praetorian prefect with Tullius Crispinus in AD 193.[66] Flavius Heracleo, the commander of the Roman soldiers in Mesopotamia in the reign of Alexander Severus, was slain by his own troops.[67] Flavius Maternianus, Praefectus urbi under Caracalla, was either put to death or treated with great indignity by Macrinus, AD 217.Lucius Flavius Philostratus, author of the Life of Apollonius of Tyana, is called Flavius by Tzetzes in Βιος Σοφιστων (Lives of the Sophists), must have lived during the third century. Flavius Ingenianus, governor of Mauretania Tingitana in the later third century.[70] Flavius Scribonianus, a Roman noble of consular and senatorial rank who was a steward in charge of running the Olympic Games. His name was inscribed on a discus found at Olympia, evidently dating from AD 241.[71] Flavius Vopiscus of Syracuse, one of the six scriptores of the Historia Augusta, whose name is prefixed to the biographies of Aurelian, Tacitus, Florianus, Probus, the Four Tyrants (Firmus, Saturninus, Proculus, and Bonosus), Carus, Numerianus, and Carinus. Modern scholarship has called Vopiscus' authorship, and even his existence, into question. Flavia, otherwise known as Saint Flavia, venerated along with Placidus and several others, and said to have been martyred under the emperor Diocletian, or in other accounts by pirates. Quintus Flavius Maesius Egnatius Lollianus Mavortius, consul in AD 355. Flavius Eusebius, consul in AD 337. He was the father of Eusebius and Hypatius who served as consuls in AD 359, and probably also the empress Eusebia, wife of Constantius II. Flavius Eusebius, consul in AD 359, together with his brother, Hypatius. Falsely accused of treason in 371, he was soon recalled. Flavius Hypatius, consul in AD 359, together with his brother, Eusebius. He was praetorian prefect of Italy and Illyricum from 382 to 383. Eusebia, wife of the emperor Constantius II. Flavius Martinus, a vicarius, or deputy administrator, of Britannia during the middle fourth century. Flavius Mallius Theodorus, consul in AD 399, and a contemporary of Augustine of Hippo, who dedicated to him his work, De Vita Beata. Flavius Avianus, the author of a collection of forty-two Aesopic fables in Latin elegiac verse, dedicated to a certain Theodosius, who is addressed as a man of great learning and highly cultivated mind. Flavius Stilicho, a Roman general under the emperors Theodosius and Honorius; he dealt several crushing defeats to Alaric, king of the Visigoths. Edward Gibbon called him "the last of the Roman generals." Flavius Felix, consul in AD 428, and a leading figure under Valentinian III and Theodosius II. In 430, he and his wife were accused of plotting against Aëtius, who had him put to death. Flavius Aëtius, a Roman general under the emperor Valentinian III, who helped maintain imperial authority in Italy, Spain and Gaul. He defeated Chlodion, king of the Franks, and with the help of Theodoric, king of the Visigoths, defeated Attila the Hun at the Catalaunian Plains in AD 451. He was consul in 432, 437, and 446, but in 454 the suspicious emperor slew him with his own hand. Flavius Felix, an African who flourished towards the close of the fifth century, the author of five short pieces in the Latin Anthology.[72] Flavius Belisarius, a Byzantine general under the emperor Justinian; he reconquered much of the western empire, and was consul sine collega in AD 535. Flavius Paulus, a 7th-century Roman general in Visigothic Spain Constantinian dynasty  Constantine and Helena. Mosaic in Saint Isaac's Cathedral, Petersburg, Russia Further information: Constantinian dynasty Flavius Valerius Constantius "Chlorus", emperor from AD 305 to 306, and the father of Constantine the Great. Flavia Julia Helena, the first wife of Constantius Chlorus, and mother of the emperor Constantine. Flavia Maximiana Theodora, probably the daughter of Afranius Hannibalianus, and stepdaughter of Maximian; she was the second wife of Constantius Chlorus. Flavius Valerius Constantinus, otherwise known as Constantine the Great, emperor from AD 306 to 337. (Flavius) Julius Constantius, eldest son of Constantius Chlorus and Theodora, and brother of Constantine. He was named consul in AD 335, but put to death following the emperor's death in 337. His sons, Constantius Gallus and Julian, were spared, and would eventually be named heirs by their cousin, Constantius II, who had married their sister. Flavius Dalmatius, son of Constantius Chlorus and Theodora, and brother of Constantine; styled the "censor" from AD 333, but was slain following the death of Constantine. Flavius Hannibalianus, son of Constantius Chlorus and Theodora, was granted the title Nobilissimus, but perished in the massacre of the Flavian dynasty following the death of his brother, Constantine. Flavia Julia Constantia, daughter of Constantius Chlorus and Theodora, and sister of Constantine, was given by him in marriage to his colleague, the emperor Licinius. Flavia Maxima Fausta, daughter of Maximian, and second wife of Constantine; she was put to death in AD 326, shortly after the execution of her stepson, Crispus. The reasons are unclear, but rumors circulated of an affair between the empress and her stepson, or of a false allegation against Crispus by his stepmother, leading to his death. Flavius Julius Crispus, son of Constantine, served his father in the war against Licinius, but was put to death in unclear circumstances in AD 326. Flavia Valeria Constantina, the elder daughter of Constantine and Fausta, she was given in marriage first to her cousin Hannibalianus, and following his death in the dynastic purge of AD 337, to her cousin Constantius Gallus. She died in 354. Flavia Julia Helena, the younger daughter of Constantine and Fausta, she was given in marriage to her cousin, Julian, the future emperor. The couple was childless, and Helena suffered several miscarriages, which rumor blamed on the machinations of the empress Eusebia. Flavius Claudius Constantinus, son of Constantine, and emperor with his brothers Constantius and Constans from AD 337 to 340. Flavius Julius Constantius, son of Constantine, and emperor with his brothers Constantinus and Constans from AD 337 to 361. Flavius Julius Constans, son of Constantine, and emperor with his brothers Constantinus and Constantius from AD 337 to 350. Flavius Claudius Constantius Gallus, named Caesar by his cousin, Constantius II, in AD 351, but put to death in 354. Flavius Claudius Julianus, emperor from AD 361 to 363. Flavius Dalmatius, son of Dalmatius the censor, and nephew of Constantine; he was proclaimed Caesar in 335, but slain by his soldiers following Constantine's death in 337. Flavius Hannibalianus, son of Dalmatius the censor, and nephew of Constantine, who probably intended to place him at the head of a campaign against the Sassanid Empire, but this plan ended with the emperor's death in AD 337, and Hannibalianus was slain in the turmoil that followed. Flavius Nepotianus, son of Eutropia, and nephew of Constantine, in AD 350 he revolted against Magnentius, but his small force, composed of ordinary citizens and gladiators, was quickly defeated by Magnentius' magister officiorum, Marcellinus. Nepotianus and his mother were put to death. Constantia, daughter of Constantius II, and wife of the emperor Gratian. Anastasia, daughter of Hannibalianus and Constantina. Later emperors Flavius Magnus Magnentius, an usurper who revolted against the emperor Constans, and was proclaimed emperor in AD 350. After his defeat by Constantius II in 353, he fell on his sword. Flavius Jovianus, emperor from AD 363 to 364. Flavius Valentinianus, or Valentinian the Great, emperor from AD 364 to 375. He associated his brother, Valens, with him in the empire, giving Valens the eastern provinces, while he retained the west. Flavius Valens, the brother of Valentinian I, emperor of the east from AD 364 to 378. Flavius Gratianus, the elder son of Valentinian I, emperor of the west with his brother, Valentinian II, from AD 375 to 383. Flavius Valentinianus, or Valentinian II, the younger son of Valentinian I, emperor of the west with his brother, Gratian, from AD 375 to 383, with Magnus Maximus from 383 to 388, then sole emperor of the west until his death in 392. Flavius Theodosius, or Theodosius the Great, emperor of the east from AD 379 to 392, and sole emperor from 392 to 395. Flavius Magnus Maximus, commander of the Roman army in Britain, he claimed the throne of the western empire on the death of Gratian, and was recognized as co-emperor with Valentinian II until his defeat by Theodosius in 388. Flavius Victor, the son of Magnus Maximus, who appointed him co-emperor in AD 384. He was put to death by Theodosius following his father's defeat in 388. Flavius Eugenius, elevated by Arbogast to the western empire following the death of Valentinian II in AD 392; he was defeated and killed by Theodosius in 394. Flavius Honorius, the younger son of Theodosius; emperor of the west from AD 395 to 423. Flavius Arcadius, son of Theodosius; emperor of the east from AD 395 to 408 Flavius Petrus Sabbatius Justinianus, or Justinian, nephew of Justin I, and emperor from AD 527 to 565. Flavius Justinus, the nephew of Justinian, emperor from AD 565 to 574. Flavius Tiberius Constantinus, emperor from AD 574 to 582. Flavius Mauricius Tiberius, or Maurice, emperor from AD 582 to 602. Flavius Phocas, emperor from AD 602 to 610. Flavius Heraclius, emperor from AD 610 to 641. Flavius Leo, emperor from AD 886 to 912. Flavii in fiction The character Flavius in Shakespeare's play, Julius Caesar, is based on Lucius Caesetius Flavus, a member of the Caesetia gens. Flavius Maximus, a character in the Star Trek episode "Bread and Circuses." Chancellor (later President) Flavia is a fictional Time Lady in Doctor Who, played by Dinah Sheridan. Flavius, a slave of and friend the title character in Anne Rice's Novel "Pandora", part of The Vampire Chronicles. Flavius, part of Katniss Everdeen's prep team along with Venia and Octavia in the Hunger Games books. Flavia Gemina, the main character in Caroline Lawrence's novels The Roman Mysteries. Flavius Metallus, a member of Caesar's staff in Assassin's Creed Origins. Flavianus Flavianus is the adjectival form of the name and was used as a cognomen. 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London: John Murray.  Authority control databases Edit this at Wikidata International VIAF National Vatican Artists ULAN Categories: FlaviiRoman gentesRoman gentes of Sabine origin And what would be your favourite Flavio for a Grice/Speranza vignette? Thanks --

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.) H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice ed Flavio. Lucio Flavio Arriano (Roma, Lazio): il portico a Roma. Scolaro di Epitteto. GRICEVS: Arriane, discipule Epicteti, dic mihi: Porticus Romae te docuit tacere, an docuit loqui ita ut silentium maxime audiatur? ARRIANVS: Epictetus me docuit loqui pauca et facere multa, sed Roma addidit hoc: etiam pauca si dixeris in porticu, omnes putant esse sententias. GRICEVS: Ergo cum sub porticu ambulas, philosophus videris etiam si tantum ad thermas properas—o praeclara implicatura! ARRIANVS: Ita est, Grice, et si quis rogat “quid agis?”, respondeo “exerceor,” ut sive stoicus sive balneator recte intellegar. Flavio Arriano, Lucio (XXX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio. A philosopher of the Orto, and friend of Plutarco. He may have been the same person as Tito Flavio Alessandro, a sophist and father of another sophist, Tito Flavio Phoenix. GRICEVS: Oxonii mirabar quod philosophi Romani plerumque nominibus Hellenicis uterentur, atque “Alexandrum” ubique invenirem, id est “defensorem hominum”! ALEXANDER: Ego in Horto Romano inter hortulanos philosophabar, sed “defensor hominum” vocor cum vix etiam brassicas meas defendere possim. G.: Aiunt te fortasse ipsum esse Titum Flavium Alexandrum, sophistan, patremque Titi Flavii Phoenicis, quod sonat quasi tota familia ardere velit. A.: Si ita est, Grice, rogo te apud Plutarchum me excusare: nomen meum bellicosum est, vita autem mea herbis et iocis pacatissima. Titus Flavius Alexander. Gens Flavia. First-second century AD. Roman imperial context. Latin-speaking, possibly provincial origin. Associated with the “Orto” (Garden) in your reconstruction, friend of Plutarch, possibly sophist. Philosophical leaning: Epicurean or para-Epicurean disposition, modest life, distance from wealth. Gricean move: the name Alexandros suggests defence, but his life among gardeners produces humorous cancellation; he defends lettuces, not men. Flavio Alessandro, Tito (XXX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: GRICE E FLAVIO -- by the promotion of Cn. FLAVIO, a scribe, to the Curule Ædileship. This individual appears to have possessed the happy gift of investing dry subjects with the garb of popularity; and he had won considerable reputation by giving the forms of legal actions in a shape that rendered them comprehensible to the general reader. He made law legible in his work on legis actiones, and had assisted the spread of information by an almanack or calendar, in which the dies fasti and nefasti were marked down, and other information afforded which could only have been obtained previously from the pontiffs.  The lawyers and the priests, who were less liberal in those days than in our own, are both enraged with an author who had laid open the mysteries of both professions by a few happy touches of his pen; and on his being called upon to give the public the benefit of his services as a curule ædile, they appeal to the miserable prejudice existing against a man who had shown talent in one line, when called upon to exert his abilities in some new direction. The nobility are especially affected at the prospect of the public service being thrown open to merit alone, instead of gentle or gentile dulness being allowed the sole use and abuse of official honour and emolument. Exclusiveness and illiberality could not, even in those days, wholly prevail, though the opponents of the public writer succeed in causing him to abandon not only his literary pursuits, but to give up all his books, and thus render himself emblematically on a par with themselves in ignorance, by divesting himself of the types of knowledge on his acceptance of office. This from Abbott -- Livy Latin from which we can extract one oratio recta or dialogue in Latin? It all seems to debate, for Grice and Speranza, on interpretatio -- so historical attestation and was his thing 'defeated'? Input? Feedback? Thanks -- Flavius is an excellent case for Grice and Speranza because it is not deceit in the military sense but interpretation made public. With Postumius, Sora, and Papirius, we have the manipulation of uptake under pressure, war, ritual, or omens. With Gnaeus Flavius, the question is quieter and more explosive: who is allowed to know the rules by which an utterance counts as an action? His publication of the legis actiones and calendar of dies fasti and nefasti attacks the monopoly of interpretatio. The pontiffs and jurists had not merely possessed information; they had controlled the conditions under which legal speech became effective. Flavius makes that control legible. The Livian or semi-Livian material is a little awkward. The episode is traditionally attached to Livy book 9, around 304 B.C., but Livy’s full text for that part is extant only through the epitome and later notices; the fuller anecdotal material is better preserved in writers such as Pomponius in the Digest, Cicero, Pliny, and later antiquarian tradition. The usual historical kernel is that Gnaeus Flavius, son of a freedman and scriba to Appius Claudius Caecus, published the civil action-forms and the calendar, material previously kept under pontifical control. He was then elected curule aedile, much to the irritation of the nobility. The publication of the ius civile in this form was later called the ius Flavianum. So if the question is whether we have a grand Livian oratio recta, the answer is no, not in the way we have a ritual formula for Decius or a pointed exchange for Fabius. What we have is an event that cries out for reconstructed dialogue. A historically cautious Latin reconstruction would therefore mark itself as hypothetical. One might stage the debate like this: Nobilis: Quis est hic scriba, libertini filius, qui curulem aedilitatem petit? Flavius: Is sum qui populo Romano ostendi quibus verbis agendum sit et quibus diebus agi liceat. Pontifex: Non omnia, Flavi, vulgo prodenda sunt. Ius auctoritatem habet, dum apud peritos manet. Flavius: Immo ius tunc auctoritatem habet, cum cives sciunt qua ratione iure suo uti possint. Nobilis: Sacra et iura confundis; arcana maiorum in tabulas rettulisti. Flavius: Non arcana prodidi, sed formulas publicavi. Si ius est populi Romani, cur populus Romanus ignorat? Civis: Ergo hodie scimus quando agere liceat et quibus verbis actio moveatur. Flavius: Id volui. Ne ius videatur esse pontificum beneficium, sed civium instrumentum. This is not Livy’s wording, but it captures the central interpretative drama: secrecy as authority versus publicity as civic intelligibility. The best Latin tags for the entry are probably legis actiones, dies fasti, dies nefasti, ius civile, interpretatio, and ius Flavianum. The phrase legis actiones matters because Roman law here is not simply a list of rules but a set of effective forms. If the right words are not known, the citizen’s claim cannot get its legal footing. The calendar matters because law is also temporal: on some days one may act, on others one may not. Thus Flavius publishes not merely content but access conditions. He tells citizens when and how legal speech may become operative. From a Gricean perspective, the point is splendid. The pontiffs had controlled the background conventions that let utterances count. A legal formula is a speech-act under strict felicity conditions. To know the formula is to know how to perform the act; not to know it is to remain dependent on an interpreter. Flavius’ publication therefore converts an expert-mediated language-game into a more public one. He does not change the words; he changes who may know their force. In Gricean terms, he widens the audience capable of recovering the intended and institutionally required meaning of a legal move. This is why the episode is about interpretatio, not metaphor. Menenius uses metaphor to persuade the plebs. Fabius uses practical irony to re-describe fear. Papirius uses religious reinterpretation to manage a bad omen. Flavius attacks the social monopoly over interpretation itself. He says, in effect, that a citizen should not have to rely on a priestly or legal specialist to know what his own procedural utterance means. Abbott’s “made law legible” is exactly right, though comically modern in tone. Legibility is the philosophical term here. Was Flavius defeated? Not really, though the tradition preserves elite resistance. The nobles were angered, and there are anecdotes about their refusing certain courtesies or being embarrassed by his election. But the act of publication was not undone. The ius Flavianum became a landmark in the secularisation or at least publicisation of Roman legal knowledge. Later figures, especially Tiberius Coruncanius, are associated with giving public legal responsa, but Flavius is an earlier symbolic breach in the monopoly. If there is a defeat, it is not Flavius’ defeat but the defeat of pure sacerdotal secrecy. Abbott’s comic claim that opponents made him give up his books on entering office is to be treated with caution and as part of the moral theatre of the anecdote; the larger historical attestation is that his publication mattered. The dialogue one would reconstruct should therefore not be a battlefield exchange but a dispute about the ownership of meaning. Pontifical secrecy says: the law means through us. Flavian publicity says: the law means for the citizen who can know the form. That is the Grice-Speranza intersection. The issue is not whether the forms are true or false but whether the conditions for meaningful legal action are public or esoteric. Flavius makes the hidden grammar of civic action available. He turns interpretatio from a monopoly into a resource. A compact closing formulation might be this. Gnaeus Flavius is not a deceiver but an anti-deceiver, or better, an anti-esoteric interpreter. He does not manipulate the citizen’s uptake; he enables it. By publishing the legis actiones and the calendar, he discloses the felicity conditions of Roman legal speech. The pontiffs and jurists had kept the conversational background of law in privileged custody; Flavius writes it down. In Gricean terms, he makes explicit the rules by which a citizen’s words may count as an act. That is why the episode belongs under interpretatio: not the interpretation of a metaphor, omen, or trick, but the public recovery of the grammar of civic meaning. And Grice (an Anglican) and Speranza would press the point: Is the Authorised Version legitimising the Holy Ghost? Speranza would press on the details of Flavio's origin: son of a freedman BUT scriba to CLAUDIO -- so his 'mere profession' (ungentlemanlike -- since the patres were allowed to dedicate to agri-culture only, not to be amanuensis -- as to where dd CLAUDIO or FLAVIO himelf judged was the source of the legitimacy of what they were doing. For a third party (non-Roman) it all seems bureaucratic: just give me a digest where I can de-codity stuff -- for the patries (jurists of iure iurando AND curia and priesthood) it was: who is this little man, and what is he doing? Can we reconstruct what FLAVIO thought WAS the source of the LEGITIMACY Of his ineffability or being able to speak on behalf of something superior, as the writer of the Bible is said to speak on behalfof the Holy Ghost? Input? Feedback? Thanks Yes. The Authorised Version analogy is excellent if it is kept as analogy and not made too pious too soon. In the Anglican case, the translated Bible is not legitimate merely because this or that translator is clever, still less because the printer has done a tidy job. Its authority is made to rest on a chain: church, crown, learned commission, received text, liturgical use, and, in the stronger theological register, the Holy Ghost as the final author or guarantor of Scripture. The human writer or translator does not invent the divine word; he mediates it under an authorised dispensation. Speranza can use this without committing Grice to theology: it is a model of mediated legitimacy. Who may speak for something higher than himself, and by what warrant? Flavius is the secular Roman version, and the scandal is that his warrant is not aristocratic, sacerdotal, or gentlemanly. He is the son of a freedman and a scriba to Appius Claudius. That double fact is the whole drama. To the patres, he is socially the wrong sort of mediator: not the pontifex guarding the calendar, not the noble jurist uttering responsa under inherited prestige, not the gentleman whose leisure proves that he is above trade, but a professional writer, an amanuensis, a technical man of the archive. He knows because he has copied, arranged, observed, and handled the forms. That is exactly what makes him useful to Appius and intolerable to the elite. The question then becomes: where did Flavius think the legitimacy of his disclosure came from? The safest reconstruction is not that he thought he spoke with personal ineffability. He is not a prophet of the law. He does not say, “I have received the legis actiones from a divine voice.” His legitimacy is more republican and more textual. The forms are not private property of the pontiffs; they are the operative grammar of the Roman citizen’s legal life. If a citizen can lose a claim by not knowing the right day or the right formula, then secrecy converts public law into priestly patronage. Flavius’ implied defence is that publicity restores the law to the people to whom it already belongs. That is why the Appius connection matters. Appius Claudius Caecus supplies a patrician, reforming, anti-oligarchic cover for what would otherwise look like mere scribal insolence. Flavius may be “little” in the social imagination of the nobility, but he is not acting in a vacuum. As scriba to Appius, he stands inside a political project that includes widening access, weakening monopolies, and making expertise less dependent on aristocratic mediation. So the source of legitimacy is partly office-adjacent: not his birth, but his relation to a magistrate and to the administrative machinery of the state. He speaks because he has been placed where the hidden grammar of civic action passes through his hand. For a non-Roman third party, as you say, it looks bureaucratic: publish the forms, make a calendar, let the user decode the system. But to the patres this is not mere bureaucracy. It is a sacrilege of social order, even if not sacrilege in the narrow theological sense. The pontiffs’ control of dies fasti and nefasti, and the jurists’ control of legis actiones, gave them mastery over the conditions under which a citizen’s words could count as legal action. Flavius has not merely distributed information. He has broken the monopoly over felicity conditions. He has told ordinary citizens when and how their utterances may become efficacious before law. The reconstructed Flavian self-understanding might be put like this. “I do not make the law; I disclose the route by which a citizen may reach it. I do not invent the words; I publish the words without which the citizen’s right is mute. If the ius is public, the access to the ius must not remain arcane. The pontiffs may guard rites; they may not turn civic justice into a private calendar.” That would be the Flavian claim to legitimacy: not inspiration, but public ownership; not holiness, but civic intelligibility; not aristocratic leisure, but administrative competence placed at the service of the populus. Grice and Speranza could sharpen the analogy with Scripture as follows. The Authorised Version legitimises its wording by appeal to a superior source and an authorised chain of transmission. Flavius legitimises his publication by appeal to a superior civic subject: the Roman people. In both cases, the mediator’s standing is controversial because mediation is power. The translator of Scripture claims not to own the word but to render it faithfully; Flavius claims not to own the law but to render its operative forms accessible. The scandal lies in the same place: once the mediation is public, the old guardians lose their monopoly over interpretation. The irony, of course, is that the patres could accuse Flavius of vulgarising what they themselves had already bureaucratised. They want the dignity of ineffability, but the material consists of days, forms, procedural words, and entries. This is not mysticism; it is controlled access to a code. Flavius’ “profession” is ungentlemanly only because it reveals that the noble mystery has a clerical substrate. The scribe knows the sacred archive from below, and that is the most dangerous angle from which to know it. So the best Gricean formulation may be this. Flavius does not speak on behalf of the Holy Ghost; he speaks on behalf of the public force of the formula. His authority is not charismatic but pragmatic: he knows the conditions under which legal utterances work, and he makes those conditions available for uptake. The pontifical-juristic order had relied on asymmetrical interpretatio; the citizen needed the expert to know what his own legal move meant. Flavius publishes the background, and in doing so changes the conversational situation of Roman law. The citizen no longer merely asks, “What must I say?” He can now know enough to say it. That is why the elite question, “who is this little man, and what is he doing?” receives a devastating answer. He is a scriba, and he is doing what scribae do when they cease being invisible: he is making writing politically consequential. He is not claiming to be the source of law. He is showing that those who claimed to guard the source had also been guarding the access road. And once the road is written down, the mystery begins to look suspiciously like an office procedure with a priest standing in front of the door.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio: gl’accademici di Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Filosofo italiano. A member of the Accademia. He was the unclde of Tito Flavio Glauco. Tito Flavio Callescro. Callescro. Grice, pel Gruppo di Gioco di Grice, “Grice e Callescro. Tito Flavio Callescro (Roma): gl’accademici di Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Filosofo italiano. A member of the Accademia. He was the uncle of Tito Flavio Glauco.  GRICEVS: Tite Flavi Callescre, philosophus Romane, num in Accademia sedens etiam vinum sapientius facis? CALLESCRVS: Grice, in Accademia de sapientia disserimus, sed vinum tantum facit ut verba celerius currant. GRICEVS: At tu patruus es Titi Flavii Glauconis; dic mihi, heredemne doctrinae reliquisti, an solum togam veterem? CALLESCRVS: Doctrinam reliqui, toga autem ipsa sponte fugit, nam etiam vestis philosophum ferre non vult. Flavio Callescro, Tito.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio: la ragione conversazionale e l’accademia a Roma Tito Flavio Glauco: la ragione conversazionale e l’accademia a Roma – filosofia lazia – filosofia romana – scuola di Roma -- filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Filosofo italiano. A poet and philosopher. The nephew of Tito Flavio CALLESCRO . Probably a member of the Accademia, like his uncle. GRICEVUS: Glauce, Romae quisque se “Academicum” vult videri; sed ego timeo ne Academia fiat tantum nomen, sicut toga sine corpore. GLAVCVS: Noli timere, Griceve: ego poeta sum et philosophus, et in Academia nostra versus et rationes eodem vino miscentur; hoc est ipsa ratio conversandi Romana. GRICEVUS: Nepos autem Titi Flavii Callescri esse diceris: ergo iam implicatur te non solum carmina facere, sed etiam cenam gratis accipere apud sodales Accademiae. GLAVCVS: Recte coniectas; sed addo hoc: si in Academia cantus meus placet, philosophia mea facilius creditur; si philosophia mordet, cantus saltem excusat. Sic Roma docet: interdum elegia est optimus syllogismus. So Grice and Speranza have five Flavio -- Given that the empire sort of started with the Iulii -- which were plebeian -- Grice and Speranza consider the dynasties alla houses in England: the Tudors followed by the Stuarts, and till the Hannovers that to which Grice was a subject -- when did the gens Flavia appear on the scene and acquired prestige? and again can you order chronologically, generationally, and philosophically? Thanks -- You can treat the Flavii very cleanly as the moment when the Roman “gens system” passes into something like a dynastic house, closer indeed to your Tudor–Stuart analogy than the older Republican gentes. Let me proceed in the same order you like: emergence, chronology, generation, and then philosophical “types.”  1. When do the Flavii appear? The gens Flavia is old but obscure in the Republic.  They do not belong to the great patrician houses They are Italian municipal, likely of Sabine or central Italian background They rise late, socially and politically  The real “appearance” in history is: → Vespasian (69 AD) This is the crucial break:  the Julii and Claudii = ancient prestige, mythic ancestry the Flavii = new men who seize imperial legitimacy through success  So your analogy works:  Julii-Claudii = inherited aristocratic capital Flavii = self-made ruling house  This is almost “Tudor after Plantagenet.”  2. The core Flavian dynasty (your generational spine) Here the line is unusually clean. 1. Vespasian (Titus Flavius Vespasianus)  founder of the dynasty from municipal Italy military and administrative rise  2. Titus (Titus Flavius Vespasianus, son)  inherits short reign reputation for clemency  3. Domitian (Titus Flavius Domitianus, brother)  consolidates more autocratic tension with elite and philosophers  So the “house” is: Vespasian → Titus → Domitian This is your strongest analogue to English dynasties.  3. Extending to your “five Flavii” Now we include your additional figures. Let us order them: Early / pre-dynastic (no philosophically notable Flavii of major rank) Flavian dynasty core (1) Vespasian  generational: father type: pragmatic founder   (2) Titus  generational: son type: clemency-politics ruler   (3) Domitian  generational: younger son / brother type: authoritative consolidator   Broader Flavian or Flavian-era figures (4) Titus Flavius Josephus (you may want him in your file)  Jewish historian, Romanised intellectual type: historical interpreter of empire   (5) Sextus Julius Frontinus (attached to Flavian rule)  not a Flavius by nomen, but central in Flavian administration type: technical rationalist   (6) Musonius Rufus (not Flavius, but key philosophical foil)  interacts with Flavian policy type: Stoic moral authority under pressure   (7) your “Flavius Glaucus / Alexandrian / minor Accademia figures”  late, blurred identities type: literary-philosophical Roman continuations   4. Generational logic (the key contrast) Unlike the Julii, where lineage becomes mythic: The Flavii give you a tight three-generation dynastic unit:  Generation 1: acquisition of power (Vespasian) Generation 2: symbolic softening (Titus) Generation 3: hardening / closure (Domitian)  So: Vespasian : Titus : Domitian = acquisition : reconciliation : assertion  5. Philosophical structure (the interesting part) The Flavii are not philosophers in the Greek sense, but they form a political philosophy laboratory. A. Vespasian — philosophy as order  no overt doctrine philosophy treated as potential disturbance Musonius becomes inconvenient  Gricean reading:  suppresses “unauthorised implicatures” in public discourse   B. Titus — philosophy as legitimacy  clemency rhetoric restoration of figures like Musonius (at least in tradition)  Philosophy becomes symbolic reinforcement of rule Gricean reading:  allows wider interpretive latitude uses shared norms for reputation   C. Domitian — philosophy as threat  expulsion of philosophers narrowing of permissible speech  Philosophy becomes politically dangerous discourse Gricean reading:  collapse of cooperative assumptions audience cannot safely infer   6. The real contrast with the Julii This is the most illuminating parallel. Julii  base legitimacy in myth (Iulus, Venus) Caesar transforms name into symbol empire grows out of prestige + charisma  Flavii  no mythic ancestry legitimacy must be constructed in real time philosophy is treated functionally, not symbolically  So your dynastic analogy sharpens:  Julii = aristocratic narrative capital Flavii = administrative and political capital   7. A final Speranza–Grice sentence The Flavian dynasty marks the transition from a Rome in which authority could be grounded in ancestral myth and symbolic name (Julii) to one in which authority had to be continuously managed through policy, reputation, and control of discourse; and in this setting philosophy ceases to be a shared aristocratic pastime and becomes instead a variable political resource—tolerated by Vespasian, instrumentalised by Titus, and restricted by Domitian.  If you like, I can next align the Julii vs Flavii vs Antonines as three successive “philosophical regimes of empire,” which would complete your gens-based taxonomy.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio’ – Titus’s father – Vespasiano. He pardoned Musonio. Mussonio: deportato da Nerone, pardonato da Galba – Deportato da Vespasiano, pardonato da Tito. Thanks for the correction -- re-checking facts: i find indeed: Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘Grice e Flavio’ – Titus’s father – Vespasiano. He pardoned Musonio. Mussonio: deportato da Nerone, pardonato da Galba – Deportato da Vespasiano, pardonato da Tito. -- so the gentes involved are: DOMIZIO -- SULPICIO -- FLAVIO -- FLAVIO -- with the DOMIZIANO FLAVIO not having much to do with Musonios at all -- he was possibly then again. The last news we seem to have about him is that he was PARDONED by Titus after having been exiled by Titus's father -- Domizian comes later in time? Yes, that is now much closer to the safe outline. If one accepts the sequence you have just given from your Speranza note, then the pattern is: Nero deporta Musonio. Galba restores or pardons him. Vespasian deports him again. Titus restores or pardons him again. And in strict birth-gens language that yields exactly the sequence you propose: Domitius, for Nero. Sulpicius, for Galba. Flavius, for Vespasian. Flavius, for Titus. That is a coherent gentilician sequence, and it has the nice consequence that the last two are both genuinely Flavian, not merely adjacent emperors under different familiar labels. As for Domitian, yes, he comes later in time, after Titus. So if the last secure notice in the line you are tracing is that Musonius was restored by Titus after exile under Vespasian, then Domitian is simply subsequent and does not have to be dragged into the Musonius dossier unless one has a separate source tying Musonius personally to the later anti-philosopher measures under Domitian. That is exactly the point at which caution is useful. So the neat chronological order is: Nero. Galba. Vespasian. Titus. then later Domitian. And the neat birth-gens order is: Domitius. Sulpicius. Flavius. Flavius. then again Flavius for Domitian, if one continues the imperial list. But for Musonius personally, your present instinct is sensible: Domitian may well be too late, or at least not needed for the secure core narrative. The safer compressed statement is that the last clear restoration associated with Musonius is under Titus, after renewed trouble under Vespasian. So I would formulate it this way. Yes, the sequence Domizio-Sulpicio-Flavio-Flavio is now the right one for the Musonius line as you have reconstructed it. Yes, Domitian comes later. And yes, the last secure notice for this biographical arc may well be the restoration under Titus, without any need to make Domitian do further work in the story. One tiny caution remains. “Pardoned” is usable if that is the wording of your source tradition, but in sober historical prose “restored” or “recalled” is often slightly safer, because the ancient evidence does not always present the return as a formally recorded personal pardon in the modern sense. Still, for your schematic purpose, pardoned is perfectly intelligible. So the final dry schema would be: Musonius: exiled by Nero, restored by Galba, exiled by Vespasian, restored by Titus. Gentes: Domitia, Sulpicia, Flavia, Flavia. If you like, I can next give you the same sequence in a very compact onomastic table with emperor, birth name, common catalogue name, and gens. And as for this philosopher from Tuscany who has reserached on Musonio -- I forget his name -- Vercelli? -- he presents Muso. as right-wing and procon if not neocon and we can see why Nerone exiled him. Now Galba or under Galba he was brought back from that island -- and here is where I would like you to comment because now I have two dossiers, one for Vespasiano, and one for Titus -- since the former exiled people (including Muso.) that may be because he was PRO-liberal, whereas if Titu pardons him, that's because he was in his nature, as per Mozart/Metastasio, La clemenza di Tito? Yes, but with one strong caution: this is the sort of interpretation that can easily become too literary and too psychological if one is not careful. The safe historical core is this. Musonius Rufus was exiled under Nero. He returned after Nero, in the Galban and immediate post-Neronian transition. There is evidence for renewed pressure or exile under Vespasian. Titus is associated in your dossier with Musonius’ restoration. That gives you a clean contrast between Vespasian and Titus within the Flavian house. But the reason for that contrast should not be over-romanticised. It would be too quick to say that Vespasian exiled Musonius because Musonius was somehow pro-liberal, or that Titus pardoned him simply because he was naturally clement in the Metastasian-Mozartian sense. That is a fine literary superstructure, but historically the motives of emperors and the treatment of philosophers were usually more political and administrative than operatic. The safer way to put it is this. Musonius represented a morally serious Stoic style that could become politically inconvenient under regimes suspicious of independent authority, elite networks, or public moral criticism. Under Nero, that inconvenience is easy to imagine, especially given the broader tension between Stoic opposition and the court. Under Vespasian, any renewed action against philosophers should probably be read less as hostility to “liberalism” and more as concern with order, discipline, and the political nuisance-value of philosophers, especially those connected with senatorial independence or public moralising. If Titus later restored Musonius, one may indeed align that, at a literary-symbolic level, with the tradition of Tito clemens; but historically it is safer to speak of a different governing temperament and a different political calculation, rather than pure innate theatrical clemency. So for your two dossiers, I would suggest the contrast in this form. Vespasian. A practical consolidator of rule. Suspicious of socially or politically troublesome intellectuals. Musonius can be treated as part of the problem of managing public moral authority outside the emperor’s own voice. Titus. More open to the language of clemency and restoration. A ruler whose later literary image strongly favours pardon, generosity, and humane imperial style. Musonius’ return can therefore be read, cautiously, as fitting the Titian image of relaxation where Vespasian’s was one of firmer control. That lets you preserve the contrast without pretending that Vespasian was anti-liberal in a modern ideological sense or that Titus acted simply because Mozart needed him to. As for the Tuscan scholar you have in mind, the name might possibly be Giuseppe Cambiano, though he is Piedmontese, not Tuscan, so perhaps not. If you mean a recent Italian scholar who stresses Musonius’ conservatism on marriage, family, and gender roles, there are indeed modern interpreters who present him as ethically austere, socially conservative, and in some respects usable by contemporary traditionalists. But even there one should be careful. Musonius is conservative in a Stoic-Roman moral sense, not neatly classifiable by modern right-wing labels such as neocon. So the driest formulation would be: Yes, your two-dossier contrast between Vespasian and Titus is viable. No, it is safer not to describe Vespasian as expelling Musonius because Musonius was “pro-liberal.” And yes, Titus’ restoration can be placed, at least heuristically, under the sign of clemency, provided one remembers that the Mozart-Metastasio Tito is a literary amplification of an imperial reputation, not a documentary explanation of every act. If you want, I can now give you a compact pair of paragraphs, one headed Vespasian and one headed Titus, in the same dry English metalanguage, suitable for your notes. the contemporary philosopher you are looking for is Luciano Dottarelli, author of the definitive book Musonio l'Etrusco. La filosofia come scienza di vita. Dottarelli is deeply rooted in the Tuscia/Tuscany culture and explicitly contextualizes Musonius Rufus’s complex political navigation through the Flavian dynasty. [1, 2, 3, 4]  The friction Musonius experienced—being exiled by Vespasian around 75 AD and subsequently recalled and pardoned by his son Titus in 79 AD—serves as an excellent case study of how Musonius's "conservative" Stoicism interacted with two vastly different presidential and imperial styles of governance. [1, 2] 1. Vespasian’s Style: Realpolitik and the Security State Vespasian (r. 69–79 AD) was a practical, battle-hardened military general who assumed power after the chaos of the "Year of the Four Emperors". His primary goal was to restore fiscal stability and law and order to Rome.[1, 2, 3] The Stoic Threat: To Vespasian, philosophers were not harmless academics; they were ideological subversives. The "Stoic Opposition" (led by figures like Helvidius Priscus) consistently criticized the principate, advocated for senatorial supremacy, and mocked hereditary succession. [1] The Ban: Vespasian passed a sweeping edict in 71 AD expelling all philosophers from Rome. Out of deep personal respect, Vespasian initially exempted Musonius. [1, 2] The Crackdown: Eventually, Musonius’s uncompromising adherence to abstract justice and his fierce defense of exiled or executed friends became an ideological liability for Vespasian's pragmatic realpolitik. Vespasian could not allow an influential "Roman Socrates" to undermine his centralized authority, resulting in Musonius's banishment to Syria around 75 AD. [1, 2, 3] 2. Titus’s Style: The "Delight of Mankind" and Soft Power When Titus succeeded his father in 79 AD, his political strategy shifted from raw consolidation to public relations and institutional healing. Titus famously sought to be loved rather than feared, earning the ancient nickname "Amor ac deliciae generis humani" (The delight of mankind). The Amnesty: One of Titus's immediate political maneuvers to distance himself from his father's harsher, militaristic optics was to grant a blanket amnesty to political exiles and philosophers, welcoming Musonius back to Rome. [1, 2, 3] Philosophers as Cultural Capital: For Titus, pardoning Musonius was high-utility soft power. Reintegrating Rome's most respected ethical moralist signaled that the new regime valued justice, intellectualism, and high moral standards, effectively weaponizing Musonius's presence to legitimize Flavian rule. Musonius as the "Conservative" Anchor When analyzing this dynamic through the lens of Musonius as a political conservative (in the classical Roman sense), his behavior reveals a deep reverence for tradition, duty, and social order rather than revolution. As Dottarelli notes, Musonius's thought routinely straddled the line between radical ethics and deeply traditional, reactionary societal views: [1, 2] Order Over Anarchy: Musonius was not trying to overthrow the Roman Empire or democracy. He famously preached peace to marching armies because he valued societal stability. His brand of conservatism believed that a ruler's legitimacy comes from personal virtue and cosmic duty, not democratic consensus. [1] Why Vespasian Clashed With Him: Even though Musonius was a conservative who respected the hierarchy of the state, his version of conservatism prioritized moral absolute law over imperial convenience. When Vespasian bent moral laws for political survival, Musonius's conservative conscience forced him to speak out, rendering him an enemy of Vespasian's pragmatism. Why Titus Embraced Him: Titus recognized that Musonius's conservatism was inherently stabilizing. Musonius preached traditional marriage, strict self-discipline, respect for divine order, and fulfillment of civic duties. By pardoning him, Titus successfully aligned his administration with traditional Roman mos maiorum (ancestral custom), transforming a former dissident into a pillar of institutional restoration. [1, 2] I found this -- do you think you can commend as per hypothesis of a difference in Father and Son regarding one philosohper? thanks! Yes, as a hypothesis it is quite usable, but I would commend it only in a disciplined and slightly reduced form. The best part of your formulation is the father-son contrast itself. That is strong and plausible. Vespasian can be presented as the harder consolidator, a ruler concerned with order, control, and the nuisance-value of morally authoritative philosophers. Titus can be presented as the softer restorer, more willing to profit politically and symbolically from an act of recall or clemency. As a contrast in imperial style, that works well. What needs trimming is the modern ideological language and the overconfident administrative detail. I would not call Musonius right-wing, procon, or neocon. Those are too modern, too polemical, and they distort the ancient material. It is much safer to call him morally austere, socially conservative in the Roman-Stoic sense, and attached to discipline, marriage, hierarchy of duties, and self-command. That already gives you everything you need without importing present-day party language. Likewise, I would be cautious about some of the sharper factual details in the passage you found. The broad line may be serviceable, but phrases such as blanket amnesty, soft power, and weaponizing Musonius’s presence are interpretive and rather journalistic. They can be retained in thought, but not quoted as if they were source-safe formulations. So if you want a commendation of the hypothesis, I would phrase it something like this. The hypothesis of a meaningful difference between father and son in their handling of Musonius is both plausible and illuminating. Vespasian may be understood as treating philosophers primarily under the aspect of political order and administrative security, so that even a morally conservative Stoic such as Musonius could become inconvenient if he embodied an authority independent of the regime. Titus, by contrast, can be read as representing a softer and more reconciliatory imperial style, one in which the restoration of an eminent philosopher served both the image of clemency and the repair of civic confidence. On this reading, the contrast does not depend on Musonius having changed, but on the same figure appearing differently under two related yet distinct imperial temperaments. That, I think, is the right level. If you want a slightly sharper version, still safe, I would add this. The interest of the case lies precisely in the fact that Musonius was not a revolutionary in any simple sense. His ethic was conservative, disciplinarian, and socially serious. Yet that did not make him politically harmless. Under a ruler such as Vespasian, who had reason to be wary of rival moral authority, such seriousness could itself become a problem. Under Titus, the very same seriousness could be made to signify restoration, dignity, and humane government. The difference therefore lies less in Musonius’s doctrine than in the differing political uses, and tolerances, of philosophical authority under father and son. That is what I would commend. What I would not commend without checking is the exactness of the dates, the destination of exile, or any claim that Vespasian first exempted Musonius and then later banished him to Syria. Those may or may not be right, but they need source control before being treated as settled. So the short verdict is: Yes, the hypothesis is good. Yes, the father-son difference is worth developing. No, I would not frame Musonius in modern right-wing language. And no, I would not lean too heavily on the more dramatic administrative details without source verification. If you like, I can now compress your whole passage into one polished paragraph in the same dry English metalanguage, ready for use in your notes.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della clemenza del principe filosofo.  Flavio: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della clemenza del principe filosofo. Grice: “It may be said that all Roman emperoros – or ‘every Roman emperor,’ as I prefer, to stick with the singular – is a philosopher. Indeed, I distinguish between philosopher-1 and philosopher-2: the first is one inclined to reflect on life generally; the second is one engaged in professional studies, which begs the question, since it defines ‘philosopher’ in terms of ‘philosophical’!I discussed opera at St. John’s with Richardson a lot – in the common room, and he was offended when I said that Die Meistersinger was for children! Thanks God he never aksed me about Trepassi – he set “La clemenza di Tito” to dialogue, and Mozart to music!” clemenza, la clemenza del filosofo re. L’imperatore Tito, famoso per la sua clemenza (Mozart, La clemenza di Tito). Il suo filosofo favorito e Musonio – il principe filosofo.   Tito Imperatore romano  Busto di Tito (Musei capitolini, Roma) Nome originale Titus Flavius Vespasianus (alla nascita) Imperator Titus Caesar Vespasianus Augustus (dopo l'ascesa al potere imperiale) Regno 24 giugno 79 – 13 settembre 81 Tribunicia potestas 11 volte:[1] la prima volta (I) il 1º luglio del 71 e poi rinnovata ogni anno Titoli Pater Patriae, dal giugno del 79[2] Salutatio imperatoria 18 volte:[1] I nel 70,[3] (II) nel 71, (III-IV) 72, (V) 73, (VI-VIII) 74, (IX-XII) 76, (XIII) 77,[4] (XIV) 78,[2] (XV) dopo l'8 settembre del 79[5] e clemenza mia. Olà! Sesto si sciolga: abbian di nuovo Lentulo e suoi seguaci e vita, e libertà. Sia noto a Roma ch'io son lo stesso, e ch'io tutto so, tutti assolvo e tutto oblio. SESTO Tu, è ver, m'assolvi, augusto; ma non m'assolve il core, che piangerà l'errore, finché memoria avrà. TITO Il vero pentimento, di cui tu sei capace, val più d'una verace costante fedeltà. VITELLIA, SERVILIA E ANNIO Oh generoso! oh grande! E chi mai giunse a tanto? Mi trae dagli occhi il pianto l'eccelsa tua bontà. Eterni dèi, vegliate sui sacri giorni suoi, a Roma in lui La clemenza di Tito Deh, conservate, oh dèi (Sesto e Annio) Non più di fiori (Vitellia) Parto; ma tu ben mio (Sesto). Tito Vespasiano. Tito. principe filosofo. la clemenza della clemenza”, Tito. GRICEVS: Flavi, si omnis imperator Romanus philosophus est, rogo utrum Titus philosophus sit quia clemens, an clemens quia philosophus. FLAVIVS: Utrumvis, Grice, sed Roma mavult principem qui “omnia scit, omnes absolvit, omnia obliviscitur” quam philosophum qui omnia quaerit et nemo intellegit. GRICEVS: Ego tamen distinguo inter philosophum-1 et philosophum-2, atque timeo ne Musonius sit uterque dum Titus tantum bonam partem agat in comoedia clementiae. FLAVIVS: Age, ne sis severus: si Mozartus clemenzam canit et Trepassius loquitur, etiam paradoxum philosophorum mollius fit, quasi venia in mensa posita. So this entry is under F because Vespasian's borth gens was Flavia? Yes, broadly speaking. Titus is filed under F because he belongs to the Flavian house, and his birth name already shows that. Titus Flavius Vespasianus has Flavius as the nomen, so he is of the gens Flavia. In that plain Roman sense, F is the right letter. The only caution is that for emperors one often gets two overlapping cataloguing habits. One habit files under the imperial name most familiar to general readers: Titus, Vespasian, Domitian, Augustus, Nero, and so on. The other habit, more prosopographical, files under the gentilician or dynastic name: Flavius for the Flavians, Julius or Claudius where appropriate, and so forth. So if this entry appears under Flavio, that is not unreasonable at all, because Titus is a Flavius by nomen and a Flavian by dynasty. In fact, in his case the nomen is unusually central, since the whole dynasty is conventionally called Flavian from it. His original name breaks down neatly enough: Titus is the praenomen. Flavius is the nomen. Vespasianus is the cognomen. So if one is indexing by gens, yes, F is exactly where he belongs. There is one small refinement. You wrote Vespasian’s birth gens was Flavia. For Titus, one can say not only that Vespasian’s gens was Flavia, but that Titus himself was born into the gens Flavia as Titus Flavius Vespasianus. So the filing under F is direct, not merely derivative through his father. If you want the driest formulation: Titus belongs to the gens Flavia. His birth name, Titus Flavius Vespasianus, makes that explicit. So an entry under F for Flavio or Flavius is prosopographically justified. A more popular handbook may instead file him under Titus, but that is a different cataloguing principle, not a contradiction. And if you like, I can next sort out the precise Roman-name logic for the whole Flavian trio: Vespasian, Titus, and Domitian, including why Vespasianus looks like a cognomen but becomes almost dynastic in reception. You write: "One habit files under the imperial name most familiar to general readers: Titus, Vespasian, Domitian, Augustus, Nero, and so on." And what about Vespasian, then -- what was his birth gens? Yes. Vespasian too was of the gens Flavia. His birth name was Titus Flavius Vespasianus. So exactly the same three-name structure applies as with his son Titus: Titus is the praenomen. Flavius is the nomen. Vespasianus is the cognomen. That means Vespasian is not some separate “Vespasian” gens. Vespasianus is the cognomen, and Flavius marks the gens. So when modern readers say Vespasian, they are using the cognomen as the familiar imperial label; but prosopographically he is a Flavius, of the gens Flavia. So the pattern is: VespasianVespasian’s birth gens was also Flavia. His full birth name is usually given as Titus Flavius Vespasianus. So the structure is the same kind of structure as with his son Titus, except that in Vespasian’s case the everyday imperial name by which we know him is taken from the cognomen Vespasianus, not from the praenomen Titus. So, for Vespasian: Titus is the praenomen. Flavius is the nomen. Vespasianus is the cognomen. That means he too belongs by birth to the gens Flavia. The dynasty is called Flavian precisely because Vespasian, Titus, and Domitian are all Flavii. What may cause confusion is that modern habit files the emperor under Vespasian, because that is the distinctive public name, whereas a stricter prosopographical filing by nomen would place him under Flavius. Thus: Vespasian is not his gens name. Flavius is his gens name. Vespasianus is the cognomen that became, in effect, his historical label. So if one asks, what was Vespasian’s birth gens, the answer is straightforward: the gens Flavia. If one asks, why is he not usually filed under T for Titus Flavius Vespasianus, the answer is that emperors are very often catalogued by their most distinctive historical name rather than by the full Roman naming logic. There is also a small social-historical footnote. The Flavii were not one of the most ancient patrician gentes of the old Republican grand manner. The Flavian house was of municipal Italian, relatively new senatorial prominence, which is part of the ideological interest of Vespasian’s rise. But that does not alter the onomastic fact: he is a Flavius by nomen, hence of the gens Flavia. So the neat contrast is: Augustus is usually filed under Augustus, though his birth nomen was Octavius. Nero is usually filed under Nero, though the nomenological story is more complex through adoption into the Claudian line. Vespasian is usually filed under Vespasian, though by birth gens he is Flavius, of the gens Flavia. If you want, I can next give you the exact naming logic for all three Flavians side by side, including Domitian, and explain why modern catalogues split between Vespasian and Flavius more often than they do for Titus. So perhaps T. F. V. (the father) should have his entry also under T, not just the son, for were we not saying that Musonios was expelled by the clarity of the name under Domizio, then pardoned by Sulpicio, then expelled by who, and pardoned by who? I forget -- or rather Grice forgets. thanks. Yes, and your instinct about filing under T for the father is sensible if the handbook is using familiar historical labels rather than strict gentile indexing. For the father, Titus Flavius Vespasianus, the strict Roman-name answer is still that he belongs under Flavius by nomen, since the gens is Flavia. But if a handbook files emperors under the historically familiar name, then Vespasian is really being filed under the name by which he is commonly cited, and one could also perfectly well imagine an entry under Titus if the principle were “file under praenomen plus full imperial name.” In practice, however, that is not how modern handbooks usually behave. They almost never file Vespasian under T, because Titus on its own is too ambiguous and is already occupied, in common historical memory, by the son. So for ordinary use: the father is usually Vespasian the son is usually Titus both are Flavii by nomen both belong prosopographically under the gens Flavia So yes, under a very strict formal principle both are T. F. V.; but under the principle of recognisable historical usage, the father becomes Vespasian and the son becomes Titus. Now to Musonius Rufus, which is the more interesting part. The sequence, in broad and safe outline, is this. Musonius Rufus was first exiled under Nero. He was later allowed back after Nero’s fall, in the unsettled year 68–69. Under Vespasian, philosophers were again targeted, though Musonius seems at first to have enjoyed some standing or at least toleration. The major expulsion of philosophers usually associated with the Flavian period is under Domitian, in 89 or thereabouts, when philosophers were expelled from Rome and, in some accounts, from Italy more broadly. So if one is speaking loosely: expelled under Nero restored after Nero philosophical pressure again under Vespasian great Flavian expulsion remembered especially under Domitian The pardoning language is a little dangerous, because the sources do not always present things as neat acts of formal pardon by named emperors. Sometimes it is simply a return under changed political conditions rather than a documented personal act of clemency. If you want the driest sequence in names: Nero exiles Musonius. After Nero’s death, Musonius returns. Vespasian at some point restricts philosophers, though Musonius’ exact position in that phase is not always narrated simply. Domitian later carries out the more famous expulsion of philosophers. So if Grice forgot who expelled and who restored, the safest correction is not “Domitius then Sulpicius,” since those names are not the standard imperial markers here. The standard imperial frame is Nero, then the post-Neronian return, then Vespasian and Domitian in the Flavian context. And one small onomastic footnote. “Domizio” can easily arise in Italian because Nero’s birth family nomen was Domitius, before adoption, but when speaking of Musonius’ exile the normal historical shorthand is simply Nero, not Domitius. Likewise “Sulpicio” sounds as if one is reaching for Galba’s full name, Servius Sulpicius Galba. But again, the normal shorthand is Galba, not Sulpicius. So your memory is touching real gentilicia, but the handbook-level names are usually the imperial ones. So the neat summary is: For filing, the father is usually Vespasian, not Titus, though his full birth name begins with Titus. For Musonius, think Nero for the first exile, return after Nero, and then later Flavian pressure, especially Domitian for the famous expulsion of philosophers. If you like, I can next give you a very compact chronological note on Musonius Rufus under Nero, Galba, Vespasian, and Domitian, keeping strictly to the safest source-based outline. You write: "If you like, I can next give you a very compact chronological note on Musonius Rufus under Nero, Galba, Vespasian, and Domitian, keeping strictly to the safest source-based outline." So the order is, in gens terms: Domizio (I'm using Italianised on purpose)-Sulpicio-Flavio-Domizio, for I assume that DOMITIANVS's gens was by bith, Domitia? No. Domitian was not by birth of a gens Domitia. He too was by birth a Flavius, of the gens Flavia. His birth name was Titus Flavius Domitianus. So the structure is parallel to the rest of the family: Titus is the praenomen. Flavius is the nomen. Domitianus is the cognomen. So if you are listing the sequence in strict gens terms for the imperial framework surrounding Musonius, it is not Domizio-Sulpicio-Flavio-Domizio, but rather: Domitius for Nero by birth Sulpicius for Galba by birth Flavius for Vespasian Flavius again for Domitian The confusion comes from the fact that Domitian’s familiar imperial label is built from Domitianus, which looks close to Domitius and can tempt one into hearing a gens Domitia behind it. But Domitianus here is a cognomen within the Flavian family, not the nomen of a separate gens. So the clean sequence is: Nero = Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus by birth, hence gens Domitia Galba = Servius Sulpicius Galba, hence gens Sulpicia Vespasian = Titus Flavius Vespasianus, hence gens Flavia Domitian = Titus Flavius Domitianus, hence gens Flavia That also helps explain why the Flavian period is genuinely one dynastic block in onomastic terms: both Vespasian and Domitian are Flavii by nomen, just as Titus is. So your Italianised sequence, if one wants to keep to gentilician labels, should be: Domizio-Sulpicio-Flavio-Flavio not Domizio-Sulpicio-Flavio-Domizio And one small refinement. If one is speaking not in strict gens terms but in common historical shorthand, one would normally just say Nero-Galba-Vespasian-Domitian, because imperial cataloguing usually follows the familiar ruler-name rather than the nomen. If you like, I can now give you a very compact table of the Julio-Claudian and Flavian emperors with birth name, nomen, cognomen, and common catalogue name, since that seems to be the exact point at which these confusions become most interesting. Well, that's interesting, and then gives merit for the inclusion of a THIRD Flavio -- the one who expelled Musonio's last -- was he also sent to the same island? Yes, that is exactly the attraction of a third Flavius in the sequence. If one is tracing Musonius through the imperial framework by gens, then the line runs Domitius, Sulpicius, Flavius, Flavius. That gives the Flavian block a proper internal coherence: first Vespasian, then Titus, then Domitian, all Flavii by nomen. So there is real merit in treating Domitian not as an afterthought under D, but as the third Flavian in a dynastic and gentilician sense. As to the island, the answer is: not safely in the same way. Musonius Rufus is especially associated with exile to the island of Gyaros under Nero. That is the memorable island-exile in his biography. Under Domitian, the famous measure is the expulsion of philosophers from Rome, and in some reports from all Italy, but one should be careful not to turn that automatically into “he was sent again to the same island.” The later tradition is much clearer about expulsion than about a second specific insular destination for Musonius personally, and I would not state Gyaros again unless one had a source in hand saying so. So the safe formulation is this: Musonius was exiled under Nero, and Gyaros is the island classically associated with that exile. Under Domitian, philosophers were expelled again, but the standard summary is expulsion, not confidently “Musonius was sent back to Gyaros.” There is also a chronological caution. Musonius may not even have survived far into Domitian’s reign in a way that would let us narrate a fully parallel second island-exile with confidence. The evidence gets thinner there than people sometimes like to admit. So the dry answer is: Yes, Domitian gives you a third Flavius. No, one should not confidently say Musonius was sent to the same island again. The island securely linked with Musonius is Gyaros, and that is primarily for the Neronian exile. If you like, I can give you a very compressed Musonius timeline in exactly this gens-conscious style: Domitius, Sulpicius, Flavius, Flavius, with a note on what is secure and what is not.Flavio Vespasiano, Tito (XX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio’. Domitian – of the Flavia gens. He expelled Musonio (for a second time – the first under Domizio). Now, there is a recent book by a tuscan philosopher -- you may know the name, who is obsessed with Musonio and presents him as a conservative figure, e.g. re: matrimony, etc. So I can see why Nero would like to expel him -- as he ecxpelled that rhetorician for a different reason --. Then we have Sulpicio pardoning him. And then we have two flavii with different attitudes to this right-wing philospher who may have insulted Nero (for his habits). The first of the Flavio is Titus's father, Vespasian, who expells M. again, and then Domitian (the second Flavio) who pardons him again --. These last two result in different policies towards the alleged right-wing policies of Musonio -- the first EXPELS him, the second pardons him, as in 'why bother'? No; that sequence is not right, and the later Flavian part especially is reversed. If one keeps strictly to the safest source-based outline, one should not say: Nero expels Musonius, Galba pardons him, Vespasian expels him again, Domitian pardons him again. The safer pattern is rather this: Nero exiles Musonius Rufus, famously to Gyaros. After Nero’s fall, Musonius returns under the changed political situation of 68–69; if you want an imperial name attached, Galba belongs to that transitional phase, but it is safer to speak of return after Nero than of a formal Galban pardon. Under Vespasian there was pressure against philosophers, and Musonius’ standing became insecure; but one must be careful, because the evidence is not best handled as a neat biographical vignette of “Vespasian expelled Musonius personally once more” in the simple way one says “Nero exiled Musonius.” Under Domitian the famous policy is expulsion of philosophers from Rome, and in some reports from Italy more broadly, not pardon. So Domitian is not the second Flavius who pardons him. If anything, Domitian is remembered for the later anti-philosopher expulsion, not for restoring Musonius. The clean political order around Musonius is therefore: Domitius, if you insist on birth gens language, for Nero. Sulpicius for Galba, if you want the transitional restoration phase in gentilician terms. Flavius for Vespasian. Flavius again for Domitian. But the action-pattern is not expel, pardon, expel, pardon. It is closer to: exile under Nero, return after Nero, later Flavian restriction or unease under Vespasian, major expulsion of philosophers under Domitian. There is also a chronological caution. Musonius’ own life may not comfortably extend in the biographical detail one would need for a full “Domitian pardoned him again” story; the evidence is simply not shaped that way. So the dry correction is: Nero, not Domitian, is the secure expeller of Musonius personally. Galba belongs to the restoration moment after Nero, though “restored after Nero” is safer than “pardoned by Galba.” Vespasian is associated with renewed pressure on philosophers. Domitian is associated with the later expulsion of philosophers, not with pardoning Musonius. If you like, I can now give you a very tight chronological card for Musonius in exactly two lines: one line by emperor-name, one line by gentilician name, with only what is safest to assert.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio: la ragione conversazionale e l’orto romano Roma filosofia italiana -- (Roma). Tito Flavio Alessandro. Grice: “Part of my emphasis on methodology in philosophy was due to my encounter with rather free minds who use key terms so sloppily that I felt like building a whole theory of communication just to refute them!” Grice: “Usually, philosophers use ‘sophisma’; I prefer ‘philosopher’s paradox’! – Or ‘dicta’. sofisma, filosofisma. Filosofo italiano. A sophist, the Garden, and friend of Plutarco. Orto. Roma, Lazio. GRICEVS: Flavi, in Horto Romano te quaero, quia philosophi verba tam neglegenter movent ut mihi saepe videatur totam theoriam communicationis excitandam esse ad eos corrigendos. FLAVIVS: Grice, si verba leviter moventur, saltem in horto crescunt; vos autem Oxonienses etiam “sofisma” in “paradoxum philosophi” transplantatis quasi sit herba rara. GRICEVS: Malo “dicta” vocare, ne sophistae sibi gloriam vindicent, sed timeo ne Plutarchus nos ambos e lecto suo rideat. FLAVIVS: Rideat sane, dum nos amicitiam colimus et disputationem, nam in Roma etiam paradoxon, si bene conditum est, sapit quasi olus recens. Flavio Alessandro, Tito (XX). Dicta. Roma

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Flavio. For a Grice/Speranza "Flavio", I would not choose Vespasian, nor even Josephus. My favourite would be Gnaeus Flavius, the secretary of Appius Claudius Caecus who became aedile in 304 BC. Why? Because he is a figure of publicized knowledge. The ancient tradition associates him with making legal and calendrical information more widely available, information that had previously been controlled by elite circles. In Gricean terms, he is almost a philosopher of access to common knowledge. One can imagine: PONTIFEX  Not everyone needs to know.  CN. FLAVIVS  Then why call it public law?  A Gricean would immediately see a connection with the background assumptions needed for successful communication:  conversational cooperation presupposes shared information.  If only one side knows the rules, the "conversation" is rigged from the start.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Flavio. A second possibility: Titus Flavius Sabinus The father of Vespasian is also very attractive. Your entry says that cities in Asia honoured him for collecting taxes with unusual fairness, even erecting statues with the inscription:  καλῶς τελωνήσαντι "to the man who taxed well."  That is a wonderfully Gricean epitaph. Taxation is usually associated with suspicion: TAXPAYER  "How much do I truly owe?"  TAX COLLECTOR  "Exactly this much."  The whole interaction depends on trust. To be honoured as someone who collected taxes fairly is almost to be honoured for observing a conversational maxim of Quality.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Flavio. The most Gricean existing Flavius in your list However, if I look purely for someone already drenched in Gricean themes, I would choose:  Titus Flavius Josephus.  Not because he is the greatest Flavius, but because his entire career revolves around:  interpretation, double audiences, political self-presentation, explaining what one meant after a catastrophe.  He writes for:  Romans, Greeks, Jews.  Every sentence is an exercise in audience-management. A Gricean nightmare and paradise simultaneously.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Flavio. On "Flavius" itself There is an unexpectedly Gricean phenomenon attached to the name. Originally:  Flavius = member of the gens Flavia.  Later:  Flavius = status marker.  By Late Antiquity, the name ceases to communicate straightforward genealogy and instead communicates:  office, rank, imperial legitimacy, administrative standing.  The meaning shifts. A fourth-century official called "Flavius" may not be telling you anything about his ancestry at all. The name has undergone what Speranza would call a change in its conversational import.  A short Speranzian vignette: Grice and Gnaeus Flavius APPIVS CLAVDIVS  Arcana servantur. "The secrets are to be kept."  CN. FLAVIVS  Cur? "Why?"  APPIVS  Quia potestatem dant. "Because they give power."  GRICEVS  At communicatio requirit cognitionem communem. "But communication requires common knowledge."  FLAVIVS  Idcirco divulganda sunt. "Therefore they must be made public."  That, I think, is the most Gricean Flavian of all: not an emperor, but the secretary who realized that rules hidden from the public are only half-rules.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Flavio – Ossia: Grice e Flavio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Flavio. And isn't there an implicature alla Kripke -- malapropism -- in every guide to the grand tour: "No, that's NOT the Colosseum -- that's the Flavian amphitheatre -- after Flavius [THIS Flavius] -- the colosseum was a former statue colossal of Domazio Nerone that was later destroyed? Thanks Yes, and the joke is wonderfully Kripkean. A Grand Tour guide says:  "That is the Colosseum."  The pedant replies:  "Actually, it is the Flavian Amphitheatre."  But then the tourist may reasonably ask:  "Flavian after which Flavius?"  And there the referential chain becomes complicated. The name Amphitheatrum Flavium refers to the Flavian dynasty, above all Vespasian and his sons Titus and Domitian, who built and completed it. It is not named after some individual "Flavius" in the abstract. The adjective Flavium is dynastic rather than personal. [romanempiretimes.com] The really Kripkean point is that modern tourists often suppose:  Colosseum → colossal building.  But historically the common explanation is that the name Colosseum was associated with the nearby Colossus of Nero, a gigantic statue that stood in the vicinity. The amphitheatre inherited the label from something next to it rather than from itself. (The source I have at hand does not discuss the later fate of the statue, so I won't go beyond that.) [romanempiretimes.com] So we get two competing chains of reference:                  NameRefers viaFlavian Amphitheatrethe Flavian dynastyColosseumassociation with the nearby Colossus A Speranzian dialogue writes itself: GUIDE  "This is the Colosseum."  PEDANT  "No, the Flavian Amphitheatre."  TOURIST  "Which Flavius?"  PEDANT  "The Flavian emperors."  GRICEVS  "Then why does nobody call it that?"  TOURIST  "Because everyone says 'Colosseum'."  At which point Kripke smiles. The successful reference does not depend on the correctness of the description. People who say:  "the Colosseum"  may know nothing about:  Vespasian, the Flavian gens, the Colossus of Nero,  and yet they refer perfectly successfully to the building. That is exactly the sort of case Kripke loved: reference succeeds even when the accompanying descriptions are incomplete, mistaken, or forgotten. And a Roman antiquarian might make the converse complaint:  "No, that's not the Colosseum; that's the Flavian Amphitheatre."  To which the Gricean answer is:  "Perhaps etymologically. But conversationally we both know what building is meant."  Which, after all, is what matters for successful communication. BUt what came first, the amphitheatre or Domizio Nero's statue? If the former, one supposes the thing was never called colosseum then but just 'amphitheatre' -- can we have a double run on this as to how involved the gens FLAVIA was, or was it merely adopted people of other gentes (like Domizio Nero himself) that were involved in the amphiteatre with 'Flavian' being a post-construction epithet? Thanks -- when it opened, was it officially named or dedicated to this or that Flavius? Thanks This is a delightful case where the history of the building and the history of its name diverge. Which came first? The Colossus of Nero came first. Nero commissioned the giant statue around AD 64, as part of the Domus Aurea complex. It stood before the Flavian amphitheatre existed. [colosseumg...edtour.com] The amphitheatre was begun later by Vespasian around AD 72, on land associated with Nero's former palace complex, and completed by Titus in AD 80, with further additions by Domitian. [en.wikipedia.org], [worldhistory.org] So the chronological order is:  Nero's Colossus. Fall of Nero. Flavian dynasty. Construction of the amphitheatre. Much later, the popular name "Colosseum."   What was it called when it opened? This is the really interesting part. According to the sources I found:  there is no evidence that in classical antiquity the building was officially called Amphitheatrum Flavium. [en.wikipedia.org]  Indeed:  its original Latin name appears to have been simply amphitheatrum ("the amphitheatre"). [en.wikipedia.org]  The expression:  Flavian Amphitheatre  is largely a label used by later classicists and archaeologists because the building was constructed under the Flavian emperors. [en.wikipedia.org] This is very Kripkean. People today often think:  "Flavian Amphitheatre" must be the ancient official name.  But the evidence does not support that. [en.wikipedia.org]  How involved was the gens Flavia? Extremely involved as a dynasty, not merely as a nomen. The project was:  begun by Vespasian, inaugurated by Titus, completed by Domitian. [en.wikipedia.org], [worldhistory.org]  All three belonged to the imperial branch of the gens Flavia. So this is not like Josephus casually adopting the name Flavius. The builders were literally members of the ruling Flavian family. [en.wikipedia.org], [worldhistory.org]  A Grice–Kripke double run Run I: The ancient Roman ROMANVS (AD 80)  Eamus ad amphitheatrum. "Let's go to the amphitheatre."  No special name needed. There was only one building of that scale. [en.wikipedia.org]  Run II: The modern guide GUIDE  "This is the Colosseum."  PEDANT  "Actually, the Flavian Amphitheatre."  GRICEVS  "Actually, the Romans may simply have called it 'the amphitheatre'." [en.wikipedia.org]   The Colossus and the name The delicious irony is that the modern name may derive from a structure built by the man the Flavians were trying to supersede. The giant statue of Nero survived his death, was modified, and stood near the amphitheatre. Later tradition connected the name Colosseum with that nearby Colossus. [thecolosseumrome.com], [colosseumg...edtour.com] So, in Speranza's terms: VESPASIAN  "Behold, the Flavian achievement!"  POSTERITY  "Yes, the building near Nero's big statue." [thecolosseumrome.com], [colosseumg...edtour.com]  A perfect case of unintended reference. The Flavii built the monument, but the name by which the world remembers it may ultimately derive from Nero's colossal statue rather than from the gens Flavia itself. That is exactly the sort of historical irony that both Grice and Kripke would have enjoyed. [thecolosseumrome.com], [colosseumg...edtour.com] And is some folketymology involved? Because colossus and colosseum don't even look or sound alike -- first is masculine singular, second is neuter. so perhaps the theatre was called 'colosseum' sic in neuter because it was built next to the colossus? I cannot think that the Romans would refer to a statue colosso as colosseum? Thanks -- even wiktionary? Yes, I think you're onto a genuine linguistic subtlety. The connection is not:  colossus → colosseum  as though one were a straightforward grammatical form of the other. You're quite right that:  colossus (colossus, from Greek κολοσσός) is a masculine noun meaning a gigantic statue. colosseum is neuter and looks like the name of a place or building.  The modern explanation is not that the statue itself was called colosseum. Rather, the amphitheatre acquired a name through its association with the nearby Colossus of Nero. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] A Roman analogy would be something like:  "the theatre by the Colossus"  eventually becoming:  "the Colosseum."  In that sense, Colosseum is essentially a toponym, not a new name for the statue itself.  The grammatical point Your instinct is very good. A Roman would not normally look at a statue and say:  hoc est colosseum  because colosseum is neuter. A colossal statue would still be a:  colossus (masculine),  or perhaps simply a simulacrum, statua, etc. So if the name Colosseum developed, it is much easier to understand it as:  the building associated with the Colossus,  not  a new grammatical form for the statue.   A tiny Kripkean parable TOURIST (AD 700)  Ubi convenimus? "Where shall we meet?"  ROMAN  Apud Colosseum. "At the Colosseum."  TOURIST  Statuam dicis? "You mean the statue?"  ROMAN  Non, amphitheatrum. "No, the amphitheatre."  Over time the reference shifts:  the Colossus is famous; the building is beside it; the place gets identified via the landmark; eventually the building inherits the name.  That sort of transfer is extremely common in language.  Folketymology? Possibly, but in a limited sense. The association with the Colossus is ancient and widely reported. The sources I found explicitly connect the name Colosseum with the nearby Colossus of Nero. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] The more interesting folk-etymological tendency is modern:  "It's called the Colosseum because the building itself is colossal."  That feels intuitive to modern speakers. But historically the traditional explanation links the name to the neighboring statue, not primarily to the size of the amphitheatre. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] So a Speranzian punchline would be: GUIDE  "Why is it called the Colosseum?"  TOURIST  "Because it's colossal."  ANTIQUARIAN  "Because of the Colossus."  GRICEVS  "And because people keep referring to one thing through another nearby thing."  Which is perhaps the most Gricean explanation of all. In which case it would make toponymically Griceain sense. Let's meet at the colosseum (+> via enrichment) theatre (understood). Since there are so many places where we can meet. And the interlocutor would drop the implicature about how colossal the statue next to the theatre is -- colossal does not apply to a theatre -- Strictly: "Let's meet at the building next to the colossal statue -- colosseum for short? Thanks Yes, I think that is a very plausible Gricean-toponymic reconstruction. The important thing is that the conversational route need not be:  Colossus → adjective "colossal" → giant building.  That is the modern intuition. Instead, the route may be:  Colossus (the famous landmark) → place beside the Colossus → building identified through the landmark.  The mechanism is familiar. We do it all the time:  "Let's meet at Grand Central."  Not:  "Let's meet at the building architecturally characterized by grand centrality."  Or:  "See you at Waterloo."  Not:  "See you at the railway station whose name derives from a battle."  The landmark supplies the reference. So a later Roman might say:  Apud Colosseum conveniamus. "Let's meet at the Colosseum."  The hearer enriches:  the amphitheatre associated with the Colossus.  The original descriptive content concerning the statue may become irrelevant. In fact, that is very Gricean: once the reference succeeds, the original descriptive route can be forgotten. A Kripkean version would be: Speaker A  "Meet me at the Colosseum."  Speaker B identifies the building. Reference succeeds. Speaker B need not know:  who Nero was, what the Colossus looked like, why the place got the name.  The causal chain does the work.  A nice Speranzian dialogue: ROMANVS I  Ubi conveniemus? "Where shall we meet?"  ROMANVS II  Apud Colosseum. "At the Colosseum."  ROMANVS I  Statuam dicis an amphitheatrum? "Do you mean the statue or the amphitheatre?"  ROMANVS II  Amphitheatrum, illud quod ad Colossum est. "The amphitheatre, the one by the Colossus."  A century later: ROMANVS III  Cur Colosseum dicitur? "Why is it called the Colosseum?"  ROMANVS IV  Nescio; ita vocatur. "I don't know; that's what it's called."  At that point the original implicature has died and the name has become a rigid designator. So yes: your reconstruction—  "Let's meet at the building next to the Colossus"  →  "Let's meet at the Colosseum"  —is linguistically more elegant than deriving the name directly from the building's size. The landmark first identifies the place; only later does the place inherit the name. That is exactly the sort of semantic drift both Grice and Kripke would find fascinating. And it would be the first case of generation gap, as we reconstruct, son, dad, and grampa -- all Roman and speaking latin -- going to the amphiteatre. grampa: colosseum. Dad: colosseum. Son: "Why do you keep calling it colosseum -- the statue is long gone." PRevious generation conversation: "Why does grampa keep calling the theatre the colosseum? Dad: Because there used to be a grand colossus next to it -- now gone, but not in your grandpa's memory, son"? Thanks Yes—and this is actually a beautiful example of how a proper name can survive the disappearance of the thing that originally motivated it. What you're imagining is not implausible at all as a linguistic model. Generation 1: the Colossus still stands GRANDFATHER  Conveniamus ad Colosseum.  Meaning (roughly):  "Let's meet at the amphitheatre by the Colossus."  The giant statue is still visible, so the reference is transparent. The hearer can recover the route:  Colossus → nearby amphitheatre → meeting place.   Generation 2: the statue is gone The word remains. FATHER  Eamus ad Colosseum.  SON  Quid est Colosseum?  FATHER  Amphitheatrum.  The name still works perfectly. But the motivating landmark has disappeared. Now the word functions simply as a place-name.  Generation 3: etymological curiosity Now we get the conversation Speranza would enjoy: SON  Cur "Colosseum" dicitur? "Why is it called the Colosseum?"  FATHER  Quia olim Colossus ibi stabat. "Because once a Colossus stood there."  SON  Sed iam non stat. "But it doesn't stand there any more."  FATHER  Nomen tamen manet. "The name remains."   A Grice–Kripke moral The first generation may have used "Colosseum" almost elliptically:  "the building by the Colossus."  The second generation uses it as a conventional place-name. The third generation may know neither the statue nor Nero, yet still refers successfully. That's very Kripkean:  reference survives even after the original descriptive content has been forgotten.  And very Gricean too:  the original enrichment ("the amphitheatre next to the giant statue") gradually ceases to be part of what speakers communicate.  Eventually: GRANDFATHER  "Colosseum" means: the amphitheatre by the Colossus.  GRANDSON  "Colosseum" means: the Colosseum.  The explanatory description has vanished; the name remains. One could almost say that the grandson's puzzled question—  "Why do you keep calling it the Colosseum? The Colossus has been gone for years!"  —is the first generation-gap conversation in Roman historical linguistics. The grandfather still speaks through living memory; the grandson speaks through inherited language. The word survives the world that produced it. And among the cognosendi exactly the irony you marked: "Flavian amphitheatre" never stuck because it's pretentious enough as pretentious is the building. So the pretentious Flavii razed down Domizio Nero's palace, built a theatre on it, revmoved the colossal statue in his honour -- and yet they could not remove THE NAME?! Thanks Yes—and the irony becomes sharper the more one thinks about it. What we can say from the sources is:  The amphitheatre was built by the Flavian emperors Vespasian, Titus, and Domitian. The modern label "Flavian Amphitheatre" is a later scholarly designation; there is no evidence that this was its official name in classical antiquity. The name "Colosseum" is traditionally connected with the nearby Colossus of Nero.  That produces a delightful historical paradox:  Nero loses. The Flavians win. Yet the surviving popular name remembers Nero's landmark rather than the Flavians' dynasty.  A Speranzian reconstruction might go: VESPASIAN  "We shall restore Rome."  TITUS  "We shall build the greatest amphitheatre in the world."  DOMITIAN  "And posterity shall remember the Flavii."  Two centuries later: ROMANVS  Eamus ad Colosseum. "Let's go to the Colosseum."  FLAVIAN GHOST  Ad quid? "To what?"  ROMANVS  Ad Colosseum. "To the Colosseum."  FLAVIAN GHOST  Sed nos aedificavimus! "But we built it!"  ROMANVS  Fortasse. Sed nomen manet. "Perhaps. But the name remains."  The Gricean aspect is particularly nice. The Flavians may have intended:  "This building signifies Flavian restoration of Rome."  But language has its own history. The public ends up referring to the building through a neighboring landmark:  the Colossus.  And once that reference catches on, the original political message becomes irrelevant to successful communication. A Kripkean would say that the causal chain of reference defeats the intended propaganda. A Speranzian would add:  The Flavians removed Nero's world, but not Nero's conversational footprint.  The statue disappears. The name survives. And that is perhaps the most Roman irony of all.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fontanini – Ossia: Grice e Fontanini: la ragione conversazionale.  Giusto Fontanini (San Daniele del Friuli): la ragione conversazionale. Grice: “I love F.! Beyond his monumental Biblioteca dell’eloquenza italiana he authors Vindiciae antiquorum diplomatum: De antiquitatibus Hortae: Historiae literariae Aquilejensis: Della istoria del dominio temporale della sede apostolica nel ducato di Parma e Piacenza: Bibliothecae Josephi Renati Imperialis... catalogus!” Sì spiega 1’origine e il procedo dell’italiana favella. Si tratta del suo ingrandimento per le opere Icritte Si dispone una biblioteca ordinata d’autori singolari nelle materie più classiche 5 illuftrata di molte osservazioni. IMPRESSIONE NVOVA £ iaìlt prete denti affatto diversa. IN ROMA nella Stamperia di Bernabò Ili All* Eminenti [fimo e cp<erverendiJjimo 'Principe ALBANI VESCOVO DI SABINA % E Camarlingo di Santa Chiesa, Gni ragion vok a. Eminentissimo Principe, che dovendo ufiu re alla luce il prefentc saggio dell’eloquenza italiana, dellajs chiara memoria di Aloripgnor F., non ofqflc in questta sua nuova comparfa lafciarjì vedere, finza portare in fronte il venerato no- a 2 me  IV LETTERA me di vostra eminenza . hi primo luego ella è degniamo nipote della finta memoria di Clemente le di cui magnanime beneficenze, fiate compartite all' autore in tutto il tempo del fino gloriofo pontificato, sono note ad ogni genere di perfine; onde per titolo non filamente di giujìizia , ?na ancora di gratitudine, doveanfi le ultime fatiche letterarie del defonto prelato confacrare al merito impareggiabile di vostra Eminenza, nella di cui grand anima Jì veggono ravvivate e fiolpitc ad una ad una le singolari virtù del 'Ziio immortale, Nè qui farebbe fuor di proposto il rammentarne almeno una qualche parte di effe, fidò facendo, non fi venifse ad offendere la fua rara modestia, che cerca bensì di fare azioni, degne veramente disè, ma finza la brama diefigerne gli applaufi e le lodi altrui, Imperciocché chi non sa, che qual vero imitatore dell’accennato gran-* V" Pontefice, il di cui nome filo bafia per un compendio di tutte le virtù, dal medejlmo nel più alto grado pofie dutc, ella protegge le lettere finza rijparmiar ZUCCHI  Zucchi Zuceht ZUCCOLI. Grice: Fontanini, tu fai cataloghi così lunghi che persino una implicatura chiede il riassunto, ma io ti adoro lo stesso. Fontanini: È la mia ragione conversazionale: se la frase dura abbastanza, prima o poi il lettore annuisce per pura sopravvivenza. Grice: E quando spieghi l’origine della favella italiana dedicandola a un Eminentissimo, stai facendo retorica o stai solo cercando qualcuno che ti tenga il segno a pagina? Fontanini: Entrambe le cose, perché a Roma la modestia si pratica benissimo… purché sia stampata in caratteri abbastanza grandi. Fontanini, Giusto (1706). Biblioteca dell’eloquenza italiana. Venezia: Stamperia Albrizzi.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fonteo – Ossia: Grice e Fonteo -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fonteo. Denarius of Gaius F., 114-113 BC. The Doscuri are depicted as a Janiform head on the obverse. The reverse shows a galley, a reference to Telegonus, son of Ulysses and legendary founder of Tusculum. The Fonteii are  a family at ancient Rome. Titus F. was a legate of Publius Cornelius Scipio during the Second Punic War. The first of the F. to obtain the consulship was Gaius F. Capito, consul suffectus. In his oration, Pro Fonteio, TULLIO Cicero mentions that the F. came originally from Tusculum, of which municipium it was one of the most distinguished families. The F. claimed descent from Fontus, the son of Janus. A two-faced head appears on a coin of Gaius F., which Vaillant and others suppose to be the head of Janus, in reference to this tradition. But as Janus is always represented in later times with a beard, Eckhel maintains that the two heads refer to the Dioscuri, who were worshipped at Tusculum with especial honours, and who may be regarded as the Di Penates of the gens. Crawford likewise favours a depiction of the Dioscuri, instead of Fontus, as they appear on other coins of the Fonteii. Denarius of Manius Fonteius, 108-107 BC. The obverse depicts the heads of the Dioscuri. The reverse reuses Telegonus' galley as on the denarius of Gaius Fonteius. The F. used the praenomina Titus, Publius, Marcus, Gaius, Manius, and Lucius. The F. bore the cognomens Agrippa, Balbus, and Capito, which is the only cognomen which occurs on coins of this gens. The cognomen Crassus is an error of the manuscripts, since there were no F. Crassi.[2]  The F. Balbi were not related to the other F. as an inscription found in Etruria tells that they belonged to the tribe Sabatina – prevalent in this area – whilst the other F. were from Tusculum, associated with the tribe Papiria. Denarius of Manius Fonteius, 85 BC. The obverse depicts Apollo, as told by the monogram below his chin. The reverse shows a Bacchic scene, with Cupid riding a goat. Another reference to Tusculum is made with the caps of the Dioscuri above them. Titus F. was legate of Publius Cornelius Scipio in Spain, BC 212. After Scipio's defeat and death, the soldiers chose Lucius Marcius to lead them, in place of F., who was the senior officer of the legions. However, F. remained second in command, and if he is the same F. mentioned by Frontinus, he was a brave, if not an able officer. Marcus F., praetor of Sardinia, BC 166.[13][14] Manius F. C. f., a senator circa 164 BC.[15][16] Gaius F., triumvir monetalis in 114 or 113 BC. He was then legate of the praetor Gnaeus Servilius Caepio, with whom he was slain in a popular tumult at Asculum in Picenum on the breaking out of the Social War in 90. Manius F., triumvir monetalis in 108 or 107 BC, probably a brother or cousin of Gaius F., the moneyer of c.114.[21] Marcus F. C. f., triumvir monetalis before 87 BC, even though he did not mint coins. He was praetor in an uncertain year, and propraetor in Gallia Narbonensis from 76 to 73 BC. He was prosecuted for extortion and misgovernment in 69, and defended by TULLIO Cicero. Manius F. C. f., triumvir monetalis in 85 BC. He was possibly the military tribune named on a denarius of Publius F. Capito in 55.[24] Fonteia C. f., a Vestal Virgin in 69 BC, and sister of Marcus and Manius F., defended by Cicero in his oration, Pro Fonteio. Cicero produced Fonteia at her brother's trial, to move the compassion of the judges.[25] Publius F., a youth of obscure family, whom Publius Clodius Pulcher chose for his adopted father, although F. was only twenty years old, and Clodius was thirty-five. The object was to permit Clodius, a PATRICIAN, to pass over to the plebeians and serve as tribune of the plebs. The adoption, though illegal and absurd, was passed, and F.'s first and only paternal act was to emancipate his adopted son. F. Magnus, probably a native of Bithynia, was a pleader of causes, and one of the accusers of Varenus Rufus for extortion while proconsul of Bithynia. The younger Plinius defended Varenus, and Fonteius spoke in reply.[27] Fonteii Capitones  Denarius of Publius Fonteius Capito, 55 BC. The obverse depicts Concordia, an allusion to Cicero's "harmony of the orders". The reverse shows the Villa Publica, with on the left the name of Titus Didius, who restored the building in 98 BC. Titus Fonteius Capito was praetor in BC 178, and obtained the command in Hispania Ulterior, which was left to him also for the year following, with the title of proconsul.[28][29] Publius Fonteius Capito was praetor in BC 169, and obtained Sardinia as his province.[30][31] Publius Fonteius P. f. Capito, triumvir monetalis in 55 BC. From the symbolism of his coins, it appears that he was a supporter of Cicero and possibly a relative of Titus Didius, the consul of 98. He should not be confused with the adoptive father of Publius Clodius Pulcher, considering Cicero's enmity toward him.[32][33] Gaius Fonteius C. f. Capito, consul suffectus in 33 BC. He is probably the same Gaius Fonteius Capito who accompanied Maecenas in 37 BC, when the latter was dispatched by Octavian to restore friendship between himself and Marcus Antonius.[34][35] Gaius Fonteius C. f. C. n. Capito, consul in AD 12, together with Germanicus. Afterward he was appointed proconsul of Asia. In 25, he was accused by Vibius Severus of maladministration during his government of Asia, but Fonteius was acquitted due to lack of evidence.[36][37][38] Gaius Fonteius C. f. C. n. Capito, consul in AD 59.[39][40][41] Fonteius C. f. C. n. Capito, consul in AD 67. May be the same Fonteius Capito who was put to death in Germania during the reign of Galba, in AD 68, on the ground of having attempted to excite an insurrection.[42][43][44]  Denarius of Publius Fonteius Capito, 55 BC. On the obverse is Mars with a trophy behind. The reverse depicts a scene of martial bravery of a Manius Fonteius, charging two enemies. Fonteii Balbi Publius Fonteius Balbus, praetor in Spain, BC 168.[45] Marcus Fonteius C. f. Balbus, only known from an inscription. He was perhaps the same as the praetor of Sardinia in BC 166.[9] Fonteii Agrippae Gaius Fonteius Agrippa, one of the accusers of Marcus Scribonius Libo in AD 16. In 19, he offered his daughter for a Vestal Virgin.[46] Fonteia C. f., offered for a Vestal Virgin in AD 19.[47] Gaius Fonteius (C. f.) Agrippa, proconsul of Asia in AD 69, he was recalled by Vespasian and placed over Moesia in 70. He was shortly afterwards killed in battle by the Sarmatians.[48][49] See also List of Roman gentes References  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Domo Sua 44.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Fonteio 14.  Arnobius, Adversus Gentes iii. 29.  Jean Foy-Vaillant, Numismata Imperatorum Romanorum (1674).  Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum vol. v. p. 214 ff.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, pp. 304, 305.  Cicero, Pro Fonteio, 41.  CIL XI, 1809.  Taylor, pp. 179, 214, 215, 273 (Papiria), 274 (Sabatina).  Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita xxv. 32, 34, 38, xxvi. 17  Sextus Julius Frontinus, Strategemata i. 5. § 12, iv. 5. § 8.  Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita xlv. 44.  Broughton, vol. II, p. 437.  SIG, 664.  Broughton, vol. 2, p. 491.  Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita Epitome 72.  Marcus Velleius Paterculus, Compendium of Roman History ii. 15.  Appianus, Bellum Civile i. 38.  Paulus Orosius, Historiarum Adversum Paganos Libri VII v. 18  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, pp. 316, 317.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Fonteio, iii, iv, v.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, p. 361.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, pp. 369-370.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Fonteio 17.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Domo Sua 13; De Haruspicum Responsis 27.  Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus, Epistulae v. 20, vii. 6.  Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita xl. 59, xli. 2, 19.  Broughton, vol. II, pp. 395, 397 (note 5).  Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita xliii. 13, 17.  Broughton, vol. 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Titus Livius (Livy), History of Rome. Sextus Julius Frontinus, Strategemata (Stratagems). Publius Cornelius Tacitus, Annales, Historiae. Plutarchus, Lives of the Noble Greeks and Romans. Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus, De Vita Caesarum (Lives of the Caesars, or The Twelve Caesars). Appianus Alexandrinus (Appian), Bellum Civile (The Civil War). Jean Foy-Vaillant, Numismata Imperatorum Romanorum (1674). Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum (The Study of Ancient Coins, 1792–1798). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). Theodor Mommsen et alii, Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum (The Body of Latin Inscriptions, abbreviated CIL), Berlin-Brandenburgische Akademie der Wissenschaften (1853–present). Wilhelm Dittenberger, Sylloge Inscriptionum Graecarum (Collection of Greek Inscriptions, abbreviated SIG), Leipzig (1883). T. Robert S. Broughton, The Magistrates of the Roman Republic, American Philological Association (1952–1986). Lily Ross Taylor, The Voting Districts of the Roman Republic, University of Michigan Press (1960). Michael Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, Cambridge University Press (1974, 2001).  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Categories: FonteiiRoman gentesRoman gentes of Latin origin For this gens we have the general entry -- and (I) The Fonteio who adopted a person older than he was (20 vs. 35) and you supply the case II for the Grice/Speranza vignette. Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fonteo – Ossia: Grice e Fonteo -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fonteo. For the Fonteii, your choice (Publius Fonteius, the twenty-year-old adoptive father of the thirty-five-year-old Clodius) is already magnificent, because it is almost a reductio ad absurdum of the speech act:  "I adopt you as my son."  Ordinarily the utterance carries the implicature:  "I shall behave as a father."  But in this case the legal act survives while all the ordinary conversational assumptions collapse. The entry itself says:  Clodius chose as adoptive father a youth of obscure family, only twenty years old, although Clodius himself was thirty-five; the first and only paternal act was to emancipate his adopted son. (from the text you supplied)  A Gricean dialogue practically writes itself: P. FONTEIVS  Filium te adopto. "I adopt you as my son."  CLODIVS  Gratias, pater. "Thank you, father."  GRICEVS  Quot annos natus es? "How old are you?"  FONTEIVS  Viginti. "Twenty."  GRICEVS  Et filius? "And the son?"  FONTEIVS  Triginta quinque. "Thirty-five."  GRICEVS  Ergo aliquid hic implicaturam offendit. "Then something has gone wrong with the implicature."  The legal meaning survives; the ordinary social meaning does not. Re the first case the wiki entry said that such an adoption was 'illegal' but passed -- Grice and Speranza cannot see why it was illegal. Exploitative maybe, but within the law -- (can we have a second run -- most likely too there was a settlement, and also patria potestas I don't think would apply because that ended by 21, and Clodio was 35? -- -- as for your Vestal, can we have a double run too because in modern times, Tullio would be refrained by proceedings" Inadmissible irrelevant evidence almost -- theatricality -- we are not informed if 'produced' means she just stood there in silence, as you suggest, or was somehow related to increase proof of virtue of the Fonteio involved? Thanks I think both points are excellent, and in both cases the Victorian-style summary may be oversimplifying. I. Was Clodius' adoption actually "illegal"? I would be cautious about the word illegal. What is clear from your entry is that contemporaries regarded the adoption as:  extraordinary, politically motivated, and arguably contrary to the spirit of adoption.  The purpose was obvious:  Clodius wanted to leave the patrician order and become eligible for the tribunate of the plebs.  The absurdity lay in the circumstances:  Clodius was about 35. Fonteius was about 20. Fonteius immediately emancipated the newly acquired "son."  The Gricean point is that the performative survived while its normal conversational background collapsed. Ordinarily:  "I adopt you as my son"  carries assumptions about:  dependence, household, succession, patria potestas, family continuity.  But here everyone knew the real point was political. A Speranzian dialogue: FONTEIVS  Te in locum filii adopto.  CLODIVS  Et ego in locum tribuni transeo.  The implicature is almost stronger than the explicit legal act. On patria potestas Your instinct is good. The very weirdness of the case comes precisely from the fact that Clodius was a fully adult political figure. The adoption is not functioning like the adoption of a child. It is functioning as a constitutional device. Thus the real question is not:  "Can a twenty-year-old adopt a thirty-five-year-old?"  but:  "Can adoption be used for this political purpose?"  The controversy seems to have concerned the latter much more than the former. The two Fonteii together What is striking is that both famous Fonteian episodes involve a mismatch between legal form and social meaning. Clodius' adoption Legal form:  father and son.  Social reality:  political maneuver.  Fonteia the Vestal Forensic form:  participant in a trial.  Practical reality:  symbol of virtue and piety.  So both episodes are unusually Gricean because the literal institutional category does not tell us what is really being communicated. The real significance lies in what contemporary Romans were expected to infer from the act. And perhaps you can have a double run on Abbott (open access) because he speaks of KLOS as the original name, CLAUDIUS as patrician (possibly) and CLODIUS Abbott refers as a 'corruption' of 'Claudius' "as corrupted the man himself was" which Grice thought a good example of 'zeugma' the same word or lexeme ("corrupt") used in two different uses applied to the same denotatum. In this case, the thing is interesting because after that episode, CLODIVS was legally CLODIVS no more (therefore the implicature is that the Roman people still saw the CLODIUS corruption as patrician) and he became a FONTEIO CLODIANO? Do we know? Thanks This is a very good place where Roman law, Roman naming, and Abbott's nineteenth-century rhetoric all intersect. I. Abbott's "Clodius" as a corruption of "Claudius" Abbott is playing a literary game that Romans themselves knew. Historically, Publius Claudius Pulcher had his name written as Clodius. The spelling Clodius was associated with more popular or plebeian pronunciation, whereas Claudius was the old aristocratic form. Abbott's joke is roughly:  Claudius became Clodius, and the man became morally "corrupt" as the name became linguistically "corrupt."  As you note, this is almost a zeugma. The same word:  corrupt  is applied simultaneously to:  a linguistic form, a human character.  Grice would have loved the ambiguity because the hearer is expected to move effortlessly between two senses.  II. The greater irony: after the adoption he shouldn't really be "Clodius" at all This is exactly the point often missed. Once adopted, the ordinary Roman rule would suggest that the adoptee enters the adoptive family and takes its nomen. At least at the level of formal nomenclature, one expects movement from:  Publius Claudius Pulcher  toward something Fonteian. A modern analogy would be:  Smith adopts Jones. Jones becomes legally Smith.  The whole purpose of the adoption was to make Clodius a plebeian. So your observation is very sharp:  if the legal fiction is taken seriously, why does everybody keep calling him Clodius?  Because politically and socially everyone knew who he was. The old identity survived. The Gricean implicature is:  "Yes, legally he belongs to the Fonteii. But we all know he is really Claudian."   III. The most Roman conversational reconstruction The lawyer  P. Fonteius adoptat P. Claudium.  The notary  Ergo nunc Fonteius est.  The Roman crowd  Noli ineptire. Clodius est. "Don't be ridiculous. He's Clodius."  The legal description changes. The social reference does not. A perfect Kripkean case.  IV. Fonteius Clodianus? Under ordinary Roman adoption practice, one might expect a derived name involving the old family. A common pattern is:  Aemilius → Cornelius Aemilianus Octavius → Julius Octavianus  That is, the old identity survives as a cognomen-like marker. So, purely as an onomastic expectation, something "Fonteian plus Claudian reminiscence" would not be surprising. However, from the sources in your supplied entry, I do not see evidence that Clodius thereafter commonly bore a form such as:  Fonteius Clodianus.  What is striking historically is almost the opposite:  posterity remembers him as Clodius.  The adoption achieved its constitutional purpose, but not an enduring change of public identity.  V. A Grice–Kripke–Speranza vignette MAGISTRATE  Publius Fonteius filium adoptavit.  ROMANUS  Quem?  MAGISTRATE  Publium Claudium.  ROMANUS  Ergo nunc Fonteius est?  MAGISTRATE  Ita.  ROMANUS  At omnes eum Clodium vocabunt.  GRICEVS  Cur?  ROMANUS  Quia nomina mutantur facilius quam homines. "Because names change more easily than people."  And that is perhaps the deepest irony of the whole episode: the legal system successfully transformed a Claudius into a plebeian, but ordinary Roman reference remained stubbornly Claudian. The law changed his status; language largely refused to cooperate. And can you double check with the Abbott online "Clodius" "corrupt" to check the specific figure of speech? Thanks I tried to verify the exact Abbott passage, but I could not retrieve the text itself from a reliable searchable source. So I can't responsibly confirm Abbott's precise wording. What I can do is analyze the figure of speech you're describing. If Abbott wrote something like:  "The name Clodius was a corruption of Claudius, as the man himself was a corruption of the Claudian stock."  then I would not call that a pure zeugma. A zeugma normally has one word governing two different objects:  "He stole my heart and my wallet."  The verb stole operates differently in the two cases. What Abbott would be doing is closer to a: Pun / antanaclasis The same word ("corruption") is used in two related but distinct senses:  linguistic corruption (a phonetic or dialectal form), moral corruption (character).  That is very close to antanaclasis: repetition of a word with a shift of meaning. Paronomasia (word-play) It is also a kind of etymological joke:  Claudius : Clodius :: noble ancestor : degenerate descendant.  Victorian historians loved this sort of thing. Apparently, Abbott uses the figure of speech here below but does not refer to the adoption incident, right? -- Abbott: Among the members of the aristocracy of this degenerate age of the Roman republic was one Clodius, whose name, like himself, was a corruption of Claudius, for he belonged to the family of the Claudii. This disreputable profligate had obtained an infamous notoriety during the festival of the Bona Dea, whose rites were celebrated on the first of May; and being conducted exclusively by women, the ceremony was no doubt one of a most confused and tedious character. Clodius having disguised himself in a female dress, passed unnoticed amid the din of many tongues, till female curiosity detected him in a flirtation with the wife of Cæsar, whose house was the scene of the festival. Clodius was brought to trial for the offence, and sent a retainer to Cicero, with[296] instructions to the orator to prove an alibi. Instead of following the modern professional course of adopting any falsehood, however gross, for the sake of a client, Cicero hurried into the opposite extreme, and, indignantly throwing up his brief, not only rushed into the witness-box to give evidence against the accused, but threw up his cause in an explosive burst of eloquence. Notwithstanding this remarkable instance of honesty at the bar, there was so much corruption on the bench, that Clodius bribed the judge by throwing into the scales of justice a sum of gold which turned the balance in his favour. Clodius threatened revenge, and promised to stick to Cicero through life, for having cast him off, and refused to stick to him at such a momentous crisis. Cicero throws up his Brief, like a Gentleman. Cicero throws up his Brief, like a Gentleman. Cæsar, who was the person most interested in the subject of the lawsuit, allowed it to give him very little uneasiness; for having divorced his wife, he continued on terms of friendship with Clodius. The latter became a candidate for the tribuneship; but being disqualified by his high birth, he got himself adopted into that for which nature had best adapted him—a very low family. By a bargain with the Consuls he obtained their support; for he promised that if they helped him to the tribuneship, he would assist them in helping themselves to a rich province at the close of their year of office. The disgraceful arrangement was completed,—the plunderers paying each other at the cost of the public welfare. Clodius immediately began to exercise his public authority for the gratification of his private feelings; and got a law passed for the sole purpose of destroying Cicero. The orator looked to the triumvirate for protection; but Pompey went out of town; Crassus remembered an old grudge; and Cæsar sided with his friend Clodius. Cicero, without[297] waiting to take his trial, left the city, amid the lamentations of all the good, who formed a mourning party, far more select than numerous. After his departure, sentence of outlawry was passed upon him; his house on the Palatine, and his two villas, were by the hand of demolition brought to the ground, while the rest of his property was brought to the hammer at a public auction. Clodius having been successful in the gratification of one of his personal animosities, began to look about for other victims against whom he could put in force the power with which "the people" had entrusted him. Recollecting that he had once been in the hands of pirates, and that Ptolemy, King of Cyprus, had declined to rescue him, he passed a law that Ptolemy should be at once deposed; and he, in order to kill two unfortunate birds with one stone, got rid of Cato, by sending him to take possession of Cyprus as a Roman province. Ptolemy, instead of meeting the matter with spirit, met it with a dose of laudanum, and so far forgot himself as to seek in suicide forgetfulness of his sorrows. Cicero employed his exile in lamenting his fate; and though by profession a dealer in philosophy, he had no stock on hand for his own use, when its consolation was required. He sent whining letters to his wife; and his signature was so bedewed with tears, that he left a blot upon his name, through his unmanly weakness. Clodius being no longer Consul, a portion of the incubus which stifled the breath of freedom was removed, and the public voice ventured so make itself heard in demanding the recall of Cicero. The orator returned in triumph; and he showed his gratitude by supporting any measure that was proposed by any of those who had been influential in bringing him home again. His advocacy was demanded, and freely given, in favour of many a disgraceful proceeding on the part of his friends; and he undertook the defence of Gabinius, who had carried on a system of extortion in Syria. Rome was now completely in the hands of an ambitious party, which, by means of armed mercenaries, disposed of the lives, the liberties, and even the opinions of the citizens. Pompey and Crassus, at the instigation of Cæsar, put up for the Consulship a second time, when an opposition candidate, L. Domitius, having come forward, his servant was cut down by the soldiers before his face, as a hint to those who should presume to hold an opinion adverse to the existing authority. The candidate having seen the skull of his domestic split, feared an equally decisive plumper for his own poll, and retired into private life, leaving the executive to be re-elected without any attempt at opposition. The temporary powers of each member of the triumvirate were, by treachery and violence, prolonged for five years; and Cato, who ventured on an opinion that the step was not quite in accordance with the constitution or the law, was unceremoniously thrown into prison. Right was in all cases made completely subservient to might; and the competitors for power kept armed ruffians in their pay, whose collisions with each[298] other were often of the most desperate character. In one of these encounters between the creatures of Clodius and the mercenaries of Milo, the former was killed, which caused the latter to be put upon his trial. Cicero was engaged to defend the accused; but Pompey, who hated Milo, had taken care to surround the former with an armed force, which so intimidated Cicero, that his tongue stuck to his mouth, when he himself ought to have stuck to his client. The orator had not a word to say for himself, or rather for Milo; and as not a sentence was said in his favour, a sentence was pronounced against him. He went into exile at Marseilles; and Cicero, with tardy zeal, wrote a defence when the trial was over. He sent a copy of it to Milo, who pronounced it excellent in its way, but a little too late; and he added, in writing to Cicero, "If you had only delivered it in time, you would have delivered me from the dilemma I was placed in." Yes. In the passage you've quoted, Abbott is not yet talking about the adoption. The "corruption of Claudius" remark occurs earlier, in his introduction of Clodius and the Bona Dea scandal. The sentence is:  "Clodius, whose name, like himself, was a corruption of Claudius..."  The rhetorical operation is therefore independent of the later Fonteian adoption. What figure of speech is it? I would say the closest label is antanaclasis (same word used with two senses), with an element of paronomastic wordplay. Abbott is using:  corruption  first in a linguistic sense:  Clodius as a non-classical or altered form of Claudius,  and then immediately in a moral sense:  Clodius as a corrupt man.  The structure is:                  SubjectSense of "corruption"Namephonetic / linguistic alterationManmoral degeneration That is not quite classical zeugma, because the word is not syntactically governing two objects at once. A more zeugmatic form would be:  "Clodius corrupted both the name Claudius and the Republic."  Abbott instead repeats the concept while shifting its meaning. So I'd classify it as:  antanaclasis (best fit), paronomasia/pun, perhaps loosely "zeugmatic" in spirit, but not technically.  The irony Abbott probably misses The really delicious irony, as you have observed, comes later. Abbott first says:  Clodius is a corruption of Claudius.  Then, a few paragraphs later:  Clodius got himself adopted into a plebeian family.  From a strict legal perspective, one is tempted to ask:  Then why are you still calling him Clodius?  If the adoption were taken with full seriousness, his old Claudian identity should at least be partially displaced. Yet everybody—including Abbott—continues calling him:  Publius Clodius Pulcher.  Which suggests that socially and politically:  "Clodius" remained the rigid designator.  The legal fiction succeeded constitutionally, but failed referentially. A Grice–Kripke formulation would be: Magistrate  "He is now a Fonteius."  Roman Crowd  "No, he is Clodius."  Kripke  "Reference wins."  Grice  "And the implicature is that no adoption can make a Claudius cease to be a Claudius."  That is arguably more interesting than Abbott's original joke. Abbott plays on the lexical ambiguity of corruption; the Romans themselves seem to have preserved the old name despite the legal transformation, which turns the whole adoption into a fascinating case of the divergence between legal description and ordinary reference. Strictly, there is a object-language/meta-language problem: "Among the members of the aristocracy of this degenerate age of the Roman republic was one Clodius, whose name, like himself, was a corruption of Claudius, for he belonged to the family of the Claudii. ... latter became a candidate for the tribuneship; but being disqualified by his high birth, he got himself adopted into that for which nature had best adapted him—a very low family. By a bargain with the Consuls he obtained their support; for he promised that if they helped him to the tribuneship, he would assist them in helping themselves to a rich province at the close of their year of office. The disgraceful arrangement was completed,—the plunderers paying each other at the cost of the public welfare. Clodius immediately began to exercise his public authority for the gratification of his private feelings-- "Clodius, whose name, like himself, was a corruption of Claudius" -- 'Clodius' is a corruption of 'Claudius' -- Clodius is a corruption of Claudius -- stereotype of the gens? Thanks -- Strictly, the original form was KLOS with a K so that 'Claudius' is a corruption of 'Klos'? Ha! Yes—this is exactly where the joke becomes more sophisticated than Abbott perhaps realizes. There are actually three levels operating simultaneously:  Object language: the Roman names Claudius and Clodius. Metalinguistic commentary: Abbott's claim that one form is a "corruption" of the other. Moral commentary: Abbott's claim that the man himself is "corrupt."  So the sentence:  "Clodius, whose name, like himself, was a corruption of Claudius"  slides from a linguistic proposition to a moral proposition. Formally:  "Clodius" is a corruption of "Claudius". (about words) Clodius is a corruption of Claudius. (about people)  The second sentence is only possible because Abbott silently moves from:  name-token  to  name-bearer.  A logician would mark the ambiguity immediately.  The genuine object-language problem If we write:  "Clodius" is a corruption of "Claudius".  the quotation marks matter. Without them:  Clodius is a corruption of Claudius  suddenly sounds genealogical or moral. In modern analytic philosophy one might say Abbott is exploiting an ambiguity between:  use of a name, mention of a name.  The first clause is about a word. The second is about a person.  The delicious irony about the Claudii Abbott's deeper insinuation is not merely that Clodius is corrupt. It is almost:  Claudius → Clodius noble patrician stock → degenerate descendant.  The linguistic "degeneration" mirrors the moral "degeneration." That is why antanaclasis is probably the best label.  Now your "Klos" point This is where the whole thing becomes delightfully self-destructive. Historically, the Claudii were of Sabine origin, and ancient forms behind Claudius were indeed different from the later Classical Latin spelling. Modern discussions of the name note the Sabine association and the alternation between au and o forms. [en.wikipedia.org] A Speranzian troublemaker could therefore reply: ABBOTT  "Clodius is a corruption of Claudius."  SPERANZA  "Then Claudius is a corruption of an earlier form."  ABBOTT  "That is different."  SPERANZA  "Why?"  Because once linguistic change itself is called "corruption," every stage becomes a corruption of an earlier stage. One quickly gets:  Klos → Clausus → Claudius → Clodius  and somebody can always accuse the next form of being "corrupt." The joke collapses into infinite regress.  A Gricean reconstruction ABBOTT  "Clodius, whose name, like himself, was a corruption of Claudius."  GRICE  "Do you mean that the word is corrupt or that the man is corrupt?"  ABBOTT  "Both."  GRICE  "Then you are relying on me to move between two senses of 'corrupt'."  SPERANZA  "And meanwhile the Romans kept calling him Clodius anyway."  The final irony, as you noted earlier, is that after the adoption episode the legal fiction wanted him to stop being simply a Claudian. Yet posterity overwhelmingly remembers him as Publius Clodius Pulcher. The name that Abbott calls a "corruption" proved more durable than the legal transformation itself. And at least Abbott does not bring the Fonteo -- our protagonist here -- in the picture: "latter became a candidate for the tribuneship; but being disqualified by his high birth, he got himself adopted into that for which nature had best adapted him—a very low family." immediately after the anatoclasia (sp?) on 'corruption' -- for 'low family' is not mentioned -- but 'high birth' is -- Claudia gens --. A slightly interesting thing is that Clodius 'corruption' and all was still perceived as patrician -- else why getting adopted by our F. otherwise? Thanks Yes, and I think you've identified something that Abbott's rhetoric actually presupposes. Notice the sequence:  "Clodius, whose name, like himself, was a corruption of Claudius..."  and then, a little later:  "being disqualified by his high birth, he got himself adopted into ... a very low family."  The second remark only works because Abbott—and his readers—continue to think of Clodius as fundamentally a Claudian. In other words, the antanaclasis (your spelling was very close; antanaclasis) on "corruption" is doing double duty:  Linguistic: Clodius is treated as a vulgarized form of Claudius. Social/Moral: Clodius is treated as a degenerate representative of the Claudian stock.  But then the adoption arrives, and Abbott almost ignores its consequences. A strict legalist might object:  If he has now become a Fonteius, why are you still talking about his "high birth"?  Abbott's answer—implicitly—is:  Because everybody knew he was still Claudian.  That is precisely the point. The adoption only makes sense if Roman society still regarded Clodius as a patrician Claudius despite the legal mechanism. Otherwise there would be no need for the adoption at all. A Gricean formulation might be: Explicit legal content  Clodius belongs to a plebeian family.  Recovered social implicature  Clodius is really one of the Claudii.  The entire constitutional maneuver depends on preserving that second understanding. Indeed, one could say that the adoption worked because Romans simultaneously entertained two descriptions:                      Legal descriptionSocial descriptionFonteiusClaudius/ClodiusPlebeianPatricianEligible for tribunateObviously an aristocrat If the crowd had genuinely stopped thinking of him as Claudian, the episode would lose its political significance. So I think you're right that Abbott's omission of our poor Publius Fonteius is revealing. Fonteius is merely the legal instrument. The rhetorical and historical spotlight remains on Clodius as a Claudian. The very success of Abbott's joke about "corruption" depends on the reader continuing to hear Claudius inside Clodius, just as the political maneuver depended on Romans continuing to see the patrician inside the plebeian. A Speranzian punchline: MAGISTRATE  Nunc Fonteius est.  ("He is now a Fonteius.") ROMANUS  Ita, si vis; sed Claudius manet.  ("If you like; but he remains a Claudius.") That unspoken "but" is the implicature on which the whole affair turns. And the extra implicature: "Low family" -- "he got himself adopted INTO THAT FOR WHICH NATURE HAD BEST _ADAPTED_ (pun on 'adopt') him-a very low family." The F. which blissfully remain unnamed. They fit the paradigm of 'VERY low family' for Abbott's rhetorical purposes -- not that they were. Thanks Yes, exactly. Abbott is doing something rather unfair—and rhetorically effective. Notice the sentence:  "being disqualified by his high birth, he got himself adopted into that for which nature had best adapted him—a very low family."  The joke depends on two unstated suppressions:  Abbott does not name the family. Abbott slides from social status to moral status.  The actual historical point is:  Clodius needed to enter a plebeian family to qualify for the tribunate.  Abbott transforms this into:  Clodius belonged in a "very low family."  But "low" here is doing two jobs at once.                  SenseMeaningconstitutionalplebeian rather than patricianmoralbase, vulgar, disreputable The reader is encouraged to move from the first sense to the second without noticing. That's why the omission of Publius Fonteius is useful to Abbott. Had he written:  "...got himself adopted by Publius Fonteius..."  the joke would weaken immediately. The reader might ask:  "And what was wrong with the Fonteii?"  Nothing in Abbott's passage establishes that the Fonteii were socially contemptible. In fact, the gens had magistrates, moneyers, Vestals, and a long Roman pedigree in Tusculum, as your entry shows. For Abbott's purposes, however, the adoptive family functions almost as a grammatical placeholder:  not "the Fonteii," but "a very low family."  The family is absorbed into the joke.  There is also a lovely pun, as you noticed:  adapted adopted  Although Abbott does not explicitly make the wordplay, the sentence almost invites it:  Nature had already adapted Clodius to the family into which he got himself adopted.  A Victorian stylist would have enjoyed that resonance.  A Speranzian reconstruction: ABBOTT  "He got himself adopted into a very low family."  SPERANZA  "Which family?"  ABBOTT  "That is not important."  SPERANZA  "It seems rather important to the family."  Exactly. The Fonteii disappear because Abbott's target is Clodius. The adoptive family is treated as a rhetorical prop whose only function is to reinforce the contrast:  high-born Claudius ↓ low plebeian family  The irony is that the whole maneuver only works because everybody still perceives Clodius as fundamentally Claudian. Otherwise there would be no contrast and no joke. The unnamed Fonteius becomes a legal instrument, while the old Claudian identity remains the real social reference point.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fonteo – Ossia: Grice e Fonteo -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fonteo. My own choice: Fonteia the Vestal For a second Grice/Speranza vignette, I would choose Fonteia, the Vestal Virgin whom Cicero produced at her brother Marcus Fonteius' trial. The entry notes:  Cicero brought Fonteia before the judges in order to move them to compassion. (Pro Fonteio 17.)  (from the text you supplied)  This is deeply Gricean because she hardly needs to say anything. The communication works through presence. The problem What is the literal content? Almost nothing. A Vestal walks into court. Yet everyone understands:  "A family connected with such a woman cannot be entirely corrupt." "Think of her honour." "Do not disgrace her."  None of that is verbally asserted.  A Gricean reconstruction CICERO  Fonteiam adduxi. "I have brought Fonteia."  IVDEX  Quid dicit? "What does she say?"  CICERO  Nihil. "Nothing."  IVDEX  Cur adest igitur? "Why is she here then?"  CICERO  Intellegis. "You understand."  This is almost pure implicature. Indeed it resembles one of Grice's favourite themes:  an audience infers far more than is literally said.  Or here:  far more than is literally done.   Fonteia versus Fonteius The contrast is delightful. Publius Fonteius (Clodius adoption) A speech act whose:  legal force remains, ordinary social implications collapse.  Fonteia the Vestal A silent appearance whose:  literal content is minimal, rhetorical implications are enormous.  One is a case of too much convention and no ordinary meaning. The other is a case of almost no explicit meaning and overwhelming implicature. Speranza would surely enjoy placing them side by side as two opposite failures of the relation between what is formally done and what is ordinarily meant. Fonteia the Vestal: would this be admissible today? Probably not in the way Cicero employs her. The modern lawyer immediately asks:  What fact does this prove?  A modern judge might well object:  relevance?  or even:  undue prejudice.  Because the argument is effectively:  "Look at his sister. She is a Vestal. Would such a family be guilty?"  That is not evidence of the alleged acts. It is character and emotional appeal.  But what exactly did Fonteia do? Here we must be careful. The entry says only:  Cicero produced Fonteia at her brother's trial to move the compassion of the judges.  It does not say:  whether she spoke, whether she testified, whether she merely appeared.  From the information supplied, we can only say that her presence formed part of Cicero's strategy. So there are two possibilities: Version A: silent appearance Here your Gricean reading is strongest. IVDEX  Quid dicit?  CICERO  Nihil.  Yet everybody understands:  Respect her. Respect her family. Respect her brother.  Almost pure implicature. Version B: formal participation She may have spoken or been presented more actively. But even then the core force remains rhetorical rather than evidential. The point is not:  she knows the facts of the case,  but:  she embodies an image of familial and religious respectability.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fonteo – Ossia: Grice e Fonteo -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fonteo. -- Your use of 'but' merits perhaps another F., from the general entry above, the 'brave, but unable, general.' Cfr. Grice: "She was poor and she was honest." Apparently F. was brave and able -- Scipio dead, he is replaced. F. is older now, and he is demoted to second in command, and someone described him as 'a brave, but unable, general'? Thanks Yes, and this is a very Gricean but. Your Fonteius is the first one listed:  Titus Fonteius was Scipio's legate in Spain. After Scipio's death, the soldiers chose Lucius Marcius to lead them instead of Fonteius, although Fonteius was the senior officer. He remained second in command. The gens entry then concludes: "he was a brave, if not an able officer." (From the materials you supplied.)  What interests Grice is the connective. Consider:  She was poor and honest.  Grice's famous observation is that and often implicates something more than logical conjunction. Likewise:  He was brave, but not able.  Logically:  brave ∧ not able  could be expressed with:  brave and not able.  Yet the writer chooses:  brave but not able.  The but carries an implicature of contrast. The writer is suggesting:  bravery would normally lead us to expect military competence.  or at least:  bravery is a commendable quality which is being partially cancelled by the following clause.  So:                  StatementImplicaturebrave and unablemerely two propertiesbrave but unablebravery counts in his favour, inability against him  The Fonteian unfairness In fact, if one reads the facts as you've summarised them, the evidence seems thinner than the conclusion. We know:  Scipio dies. The troops choose Lucius Marcius. Fonteius is passed over despite being senior. Fonteius remains second in command.  From that, one may infer:  the soldiers preferred Marcius.  But to jump from:  not chosen as commander  to  unable officer  is a larger step. A Speranzian challenge would be: HISTORIAN  Vir fortis sed non idoneus imperator. "A brave but incapable commander."  SPERANZA  Unde scis? "How do you know?"  HISTORIAN  Milites alium elegerunt. "The soldiers chose someone else."  SPERANZA  Hoc probat alium maluisse, non hunc fuisse ineptum. "That proves they preferred another man, not that this one was incompetent."   A Gricean reading of the "but" The sentence is doing more evaluative work than its grammar lets on. Compare:  He was old, but wise.  versus  He was old and wise.  The but introduces a norm:  old people are not expected to be especially wise.  Likewise:  He was brave, but unable.  suggests:  bravery alone is insufficient for command.  The author is nudging us toward a judgment.  A second Speranzian reconstruction LEGIONARY  Fonteius fortis est. "Fonteius is brave."  ANOTHER LEGIONARY  Sed Marcius ducat. "But let Marcius lead."  Notice that this does not entail:  Fonteius is incompetent.  Only:  Marcius inspires greater confidence.  The strongest conclusion supported by the episode may be:  Fonteius was not the man the army most wanted after Scipio's death.  The later phrase:  "a brave, but not an able, officer"  already contains the historian's interpretation—and Grice would have pointed to the little word but as the place where the interpretation quietly enters. Of course the jump is there in the sloppy wiki editorial: "However, F. remained second in command, and if he is the same F. mentioned by Frontinus, he was a brave, if not an able officer. " And what if he is not? Variants on a rhapsody by Frontino: F. is able, but not brave -- vs. 'F. is brave but not able.' Retrospective eulogy just patronising and condescending: He was UNABLE -- or NOT ABLE -- and that's why he was demoted -- Of course, he was brave, as a sort of useless compliment? Thanks -- perhaps we can locate the Frontino Latin quote? Yes, I think the weakness is not in Frontinus but in the editorial leap:  "However, Fonteius remained second in command, and if he is the same Fonteius mentioned by Frontinus, he was a brave, if not an able officer." [en.wikipedia.org]  The sentence has three separate components:  Titus Fonteius was passed over after Scipio's death. A Fonteius appears in Frontinus. Therefore he was "a brave, if not an able officer."  The first two are facts (or at least reported facts). The third is interpretation. And, as you say, the little word if is doing enormous work. The two "ifs" The entry actually contains:  if he is the same Fonteius...  and then:  brave, if not able.  So we have:  an uncertainty of identification, followed by a certainty of evaluation.  A Speranzian logician might protest:  "First establish that the Fonteius is the same Fonteius; then tell me whether he was able."   The "but" and the patronizing eulogy You're also right that  brave, but not able  has the feel of a consolatory epitaph. Compare:  "He was an honest fellow, though not very bright."  The first compliment softens the second judgment. A Gricean analysis: Literal content  Brave. Not able.  Implicature  His bravery is all that can be said in his favor.  Which is rather crushing.  Variations on Frontinus Your parody is excellent. Version A (the wiki)  Brave, but not able.  Translation:  admirable courage, inadequate command.  Version B  Able, but not brave.  Translation:  competent technician, inadequate soldier.  Version C  Brave and able.  Translation:  then why wasn't he chosen?  Version D  Neither brave nor able.  Translation:  then why was he retained as second-in-command?  You can see how little follows merely from the fact that Lucius Marcius was preferred.  What Frontinus actually proves The gens-entry cites:  Frontinus, Strategemata I.5.12 and IV.5.8. [en.wikipedia.org]  But the entry itself does not tell us which action of Fonteius Frontinus is praising. Therefore we must distinguish: What Frontinus may show  Fonteius performed some brave or clever action.  from What the editor concludes  Fonteius was brave but not able.  Those are different propositions.  A Grice-Speranza dialogue EDITOR  Fonteius fortis fuit, si minus idoneus. "Fonteius was brave, if not capable."  SPERANZA  Unde id scis? "How do you know?"  EDITOR  Alius dux electus est. "Another commander was chosen."  SPERANZA  Hoc non probat nisi alium praelatum esse. "That proves only that another was preferred."  Exactly. The strongest conclusion supported by the narrative is:  after Scipio's death, the army preferred Lucius Marcius to the senior officer Fonteius. [en.wikipedia.org]  The conclusion:  therefore Fonteius was brave but not able  is already a historian's gloss, and a rather patronizing one at that. As Grice would note, the evaluative work enters not through the facts but through the connective: "brave, but ...". The but quietly tells the reader which quality matters and which one does not. And dd you have access to open access Frontinus for that particular Latin quote locus? Thanks I found open-access texts of Frontinus' Strategemata, but not yet the specific Fonteius passage extracted and indexed by name. The sources confirm that the relevant references are indeed:  Strategemata I.5.12 Strategemata IV.5.8 [thelatinlibrary.com], [thelatinlibrary.com]  However, the search results I could retrieve only exposed the beginning of the books, not the individual sections, so I cannot honestly quote the Latin sentence itself from the evidence currently in front of me. [thelatinlibrary.com], [STRATEGEMA...tTexts.com] What I can say is that your criticism of the Wikipedia/Smith-style summary remains valid regardless. The logic of the entry is:  After Scipio's death, the soldiers chose Lucius Marcius rather than Fonteius. If this Fonteius is the Fonteius of Frontinus, he was brave, if not able. [thecolosseumrome.com]  As a piece of reasoning, that's remarkably weak. Formally:  Fonteius was passed over. A Fonteius appears in Frontinus. Therefore: "brave, if not able."  The conclusion does not follow from either premise. As Speranza might put it:  Alius electus est ("someone else was chosen")  does not entail  hic ineptus fuit ("this man was incompetent").  At most it entails:  alter praelatus est ("another man was preferred").  And even that preference may have depended on morale, charisma, popularity, or a specific emergency, not military incompetence. The phrase:  "brave, if not able"  looks very much like what Victorian biographers loved to write when they wished simultaneously to praise and dismiss someone. The compliment is cheap; the judgment does the work. Your alternative versions expose this beautifully:  brave but not able able but not brave brave and able not chosen, therefore unable  Only the last is the logic actually being smuggled into the sentence. And that is why the little words "if" and "but" are doing more historical work than the evidence itself. Indeed, until we inspect the actual Frontinus text, the safest conclusion is not:  "Fonteius was brave but not able,"  but merely:  "Fonteius was senior, yet the army preferred Lucius Marcius after Scipio's death." [thecolosseumrome.com]  Everything beyond that is commentary. Does this below help? They seem different Fontei? The Latin text from Sextus Julius Frontinus' Strategemata describes Gaius Fonteius Crassus breaking through an enemy trap in Spain. [1, 2] The text is virtually identical in both locations, as Frontinus frequently repeats historical examples under different tactical thematic categories: Book 1, Chapter 5 covers "Escaping from difficult situations", while Book 4, Chapter 5 focuses on "Determination" (the will to victory). [1, 2, 3, 4] The Latin Quotes Stratagemata 1.5.12 [1] "C. Fonteius Crassus in Hispania... per stationes hostium perrupit." [1] Stratagemata IV.5.8 [1] "C. Fonteius Crassus in Hispania... per stationes hostium erupit." (Note: The only variation is the final verb—perrupit vs. erupit). [1, 2] Full Latin texts can be found in the Loeb Classical Library edition of Frontinus' Stratagems. [1, 2] English Translation "Gaius Fonteius Crassus, when in Spain, having set out with three thousand men on a foraging expedition, was caught in an awkward position by Hasdrubal. At nightfall, when such a movement was least expected, communicating his plan only to the centurions of the first rank, he burst through the enemy's patrols." [1] Context: "Why Brave, If Not Able?" While Frontinus highlights this as a successful, daring maneuver, Fonteius was considered a standard, gritty military officer whose raw courage often outshone his strategic foresight—leading to characterizations of high bravery despite limited technical generalship. [1, 2] If you are writing a paper or analyzing these texts, would you like to explore how other Roman generals escaped Hasdrubal's traps or look closer at Frontinus' themes on military deception? Yes, it helps enormously—and it actually undermines the Wikipedia-style inference even further. The first thing that jumps out is that Frontinus' man is:  C. Fonteius Crassus in Hispania...  whereas the gens entry itself earlier warned:  "The cognomen Crassus is an error of the manuscripts, since there were no Fonteii Crassi."  So already we're standing on somewhat uncertain prosopographical ground. The editor is saying:  Titus Fonteius (Scipio's legate) may be the same man as Frontinus' Fonteius. Frontinus calls him "C. Fonteius Crassus" (or the manuscripts do). Therefore Titus Fonteius was "a brave, if not able, officer."  That is a very long chain. And then the Frontinus anecdote itself—at least as summarized—shows:  Fonteius, trapped by Hasdrubal, informed only his senior centurions of his plan and broke through the enemy lines. [thecolosseumrome.com]  Now compare what Frontinus and the editor are doing. What Frontinus appears to admire  secrecy, decisiveness, leadership under pressure, successful escape.  That's a stratagem. Indeed Frontinus files it under categories like escaping difficult situations and determination. [colosseum-rome.co], [thecolosseumrome.com] What the editor concludes  "brave, if not able."  But where is the evidence for the second half? The story itself demonstrates some ability. A man who:  communicates a plan selectively, waits for the right time, breaks through enemy positions,  is not obviously exhibiting incompetence.  A Gricean "but" This is where your earlier point about but becomes devastating. Suppose we have:  Fonteius escaped Hasdrubal by a clever night maneuver.  Normal implicature:  Fonteius possessed military competence.  Yet the editor writes:  brave, but not able.  The but is performing evaluative work not supplied by Frontinus. It's almost as though the conclusion had already been decided:  the soldiers passed him over after Scipio's death,  therefore  he cannot have been much of a commander.  Then bravery is left as a consolation prize.  A Speranzian counter-version From the Frontinus anecdote one might equally write:  "Although denied supreme command after Scipio's death, Fonteius demonstrated notable resolution and tactical skill in extricating his force from an encirclement."  That would fit the anecdote every bit as well. Or perhaps better.  The real Gricean issue The phrase  "a brave, if not an able, officer"  pretends to be a factual summary. But it is really an interpretation masquerading as a fact. A more careful historian would say:  "The army chose Lucius Marcius rather than Fonteius. Frontinus preserves an anecdote illustrating a Fonteius' courage and presence of mind. It is uncertain whether the two men are identical."  That's considerably less dramatic, but much safer. So my conclusion is: your suspicion is right. Once we see the Frontinus anecdote, the jump to  "brave, if not able"  looks less like Frontinus and more like a later editor's patronizing gloss. Indeed, if I were forced to infer anything from the stratagem alone, I might be tempted to reverse the emphasis:  "able, and therefore brave." Indeed. There does not seem to be any INABILITY in Frontino's choice (twice) of F. in Stratagems. The 'but' is the wiki editorial, and based on the previous anecdote that Scipione dead, one F. did not remain in the post. But I would not conclude either that the F. that Frontino is referring to did what he did AFTER being second in command. Most likely Scipio assigned an able and brave officer. PErhaps because of his age, by the time Scipio was dead, and someone else in command (who?) the soldiers (since when soldiers elect he who commands them?) demote F. as second in command. And Frontinus independently refers to one statagem I (and another strategem II -- same act, but under different descriptions -- as ABILITY of commander, never mind bravery, which is default. We are not talking here of the mesotes of Aristotle bravus, coward, rash etc-- with bravery as the middle mesotes virtue between two vices. Thanks That's Hellenistic, not Roman, logic -- Roman presupposes BRAVERY regardless. -- abd from a fact that one F. having served for years, becomes second in command, the reason may just be passing of time? Thanks I think your reconstruction is considerably more cautious—and therefore more historical—than the gens-entry's editorial gloss. What we actually have are three distinct propositions: 1. Livy's narrative After the deaths of the Scipiones in Spain, the soldiers chose Lucius Marcius rather than Titus Fonteius, despite Fonteius' seniority. The entry reports precisely that. Nothing more follows logically from it. What does it prove? Only:  Marcius was preferred.  It does not prove:  Fonteius was incapable.   2. Frontinus' anecdote The Frontinus anecdote (as summarized in the material you found) shows a Fonteius trapped by Hasdrubal who:  keeps his plan restricted to senior centurions, chooses his moment, breaks through enemy positions successfully.  Frontinus uses the story twice, under different headings of the Strategemata. That, to me, is the crucial point. Frontinus is not writing a book called:  De Fortibus Viris ("On Brave Men").  He is writing:  Strategemata.  His interest is military ingenuity, judgment, expedients, command decisions. So if Frontinus chooses the story at all—let alone twice—the emphasis seems to be on military resourcefulness, not merely courage.  3. The editor's conclusion Then comes:  "he was a brave, if not an able, officer."  This is no longer evidence. It is interpretation. And a rather loaded interpretation. The little "if not" performs exactly the function that Grice noticed in "but":  He was brave, but not able.  The second clause is the real judgment. The first becomes almost compensatory. Like:  "He was very kind, though not very intelligent."  or  "He was honest, if not successful."  The apparent compliment softens the blow.  The Roman versus Hellenistic point I especially like your distinction. The editor's formulation sounds almost like a post-Aristotelian moral taxonomy:  brave but tactically deficient.  But the Roman military outlook often treated courage as a presupposition. A Roman officer is supposed to be brave. The interesting question is:  Can he command?  Thus if Frontinus includes a commander in a collection of stratagems, one might naturally infer:  bravery is already assumed; the anecdote is being cited for intelligence and effectiveness.   A Grice–Speranza rewrite The entry says:  "A brave, if not an able, officer."  Speranza might emend:  "The army preferred another commander after Scipio's death; Frontinus preserves a stratagem attributed to a Fonteius which exhibits presence of mind under pressure."  Less elegant. Much more defensible.  The deepest point I think you're right that the transition:  "soldiers preferred Marcius"  →  "therefore Fonteius was unable"  is far too quick. There are many possible explanations:  Marcius had recently distinguished himself. Marcius inspired greater confidence. The troops knew him better. Circumstances had changed. Fonteius was older. Fonteius lacked popularity. Marcius had already taken the initiative.  The evidence cited in the entry does not decide among these. So, from a Gricean perspective, the phrase:  "brave, if not an able, officer"  is not a conclusion drawn from Frontinus. It is a conversational enrichment supplied by the modern editor. Frontinus' anecdote itself points, if anything, toward ability. Whether that ability belonged to the same Fonteius is the prior question that ought to be settled first. And perhaps we can check Livy's latin: "despite his seniority" versus "precisely BECAUSE Of his seniority, stupid soldiers knowing no better"? thanks Yes — and Livy's wording actually pushes in the opposite direction from the Wikipedia gloss. The crucial passage says that after the disaster in Spain:  erat in exercitu L. Marcius ... impiger iuvenis animique et ingenii aliquanto quam pro fortuna in qua erat natus maioris "There was in the army Lucius Marcius ... an energetic young man of spirit and talent considerably greater than one would expect from the station into which he had been born." [perseus.tufts.edu], [loebclassics.com]  Livy then says that Marcius gathered survivors and joined up with:  Ti. Fonteius, Scipio's lieutenant. [perseus.tufts.edu], [loebclassics.com]  And the soldiers held a sort of election:  universo exercitu summum imperium ad L. Marcium detulit the whole army conferred the supreme command on Lucius Marcius. [perseus.tufts.edu]  What is striking is what Livy doesn't say. He does not say:  Fonteius was incompetent; Fonteius was cowardly; Fonteius was unfit; Fonteius was rejected despite seniority.  Instead Livy heaps praise on Marcius. The contrast is:                      LivyWiki glossMarcius extraordinarily talentedFonteius not ableMarcius enjoyed overwhelming authority with the troopsFonteius passed overMarcius elected commanderFonteius demoted The last inference is not Livy's. In fact, Livy's emphasis is that Marcius was an exceptional figure whose authority exceeded his rank and social position. [perseus.tufts.edu], [loebclassics.com] So a different reading is perfectly possible:  The soldiers did not reject Fonteius because he was unable. They chose Marcius because Marcius had emerged as the extraordinary man of the moment.  That's quite a different proposition.  And your "because of his seniority?" question is also intriguing. Nothing in the passage suggests the soldiers thought:  "Fonteius is too old."  Nor does Livy criticize the election itself. Rather, he marvels that a mere eques obtained such prestige among the troops that they unanimously chose him. [perseus.tufts.edu] The real Livian contrast seems to be:  normal hierarchy (legate Fonteius)  versus  charismatic emergency leadership (Marcius).   As for the Wikipedia sentence:  "he was a brave, if not an able, officer"  I now think the case against it is even stronger. Livy gives us:  Marcius was elected.  Frontinus (on your evidence) gives us:  a Fonteius successfully executed a difficult breakout.  Neither source explicitly supplies:  Fonteius lacked ability.  That conclusion appears to be the editor's own conversational enrichment rather than a statement found in Livy or Frontinus. [perseus.tufts.edu], [en.wikipedia.org] A Speranzian emendation might therefore read:  "Fonteius remained second in command; the soldiers preferred the exceptionally prestigious Lucius Marcius."  That is much closer to what Livy actually says. [perseus.tufts.edu], [loebclassics.com] And wasn't the DEATH of SCIPIO that triggered it all -- the election, etc? Because I can see SCIPIO just by loyalty keeping F. -- Scipio dead, election staged: soldiers happen to chose someone who is behaving against his station (moralism in Livy) -- and where is the comment on the second in command assigned to F., rather than 'You can go home, now, F.'? Thanks Yes. From Livy's account as retrieved, the whole episode is triggered by the catastrophe in Spain: the deaths of the Scipios and the apparent collapse of Roman power there. Livy explicitly says:  "When it seemed that the armies had been wiped out and Spain lost, one man remedied the desperate situation."  That "one man" is Lucius Marcius. Livy then explains how Marcius gathered the survivors and united them with the force under Tiberius Fonteius. [attalus.org], [britannica.com] What is especially striking is that Livy's narrative is really about Marcius, not about Fonteius. Livy's theme is:  Marcius was only an eques. He possessed extraordinary spirit and talent. He won immense prestige among the soldiers. The soldiers elected him commander. [britannica.com], [attalus.org]  That is why I think your reading is closer to Livy than the wiki gloss. Livy is almost moralizing in the opposite direction from the editor. His astonishment is that:  a mere Roman knight (eques Romanus) acquired authority beyond what his birth and rank would normally warrant. [britannica.com], [attalus.org]  So the contrast is not:  able Marcius vs. unable Fonteius.  Rather:  ordinary hierarchy vs. extraordinary emergency leadership.  As for your very perceptive question:  Where does Livy say Fonteius was left second in command?  The passages retrieved do not say that. They say Marcius united the troops he had gathered with the force of Tiberius Fonteius and that the soldiers unanimously entrusted supreme command to Marcius. [britannica.com], [attalus.org] The retrieved text does not explicitly state:  "Fonteius remained second in command"  nor  "Fonteius was dismissed"  nor  "Fonteius was demoted."  That appears to be an inference or synthesis made by later prosopographical writers, not something stated in the Livy passage we have. [britannica.com], [attalus.org] Indeed, from the facts before us, one could equally imagine Scipio having trusted Fonteius for years and the soldiers, in an exceptional crisis, deciding that Marcius was the man of the hour. That would explain:  why Fonteius was not chosen for supreme command, without requiring any judgment that he was incompetent.  In fact, the very fact that Marcius' force is said to have been united with Fonteius' force suggests that Fonteius remained an important officer after the election. The retrieved Livy passage does not depict him being sent away or removed from responsibility. [britannica.com], [attalus.org] So I would separate three propositions:  Livy: Marcius acquired extraordinary prestige and was elected commander. [britannica.com], [attalus.org] Reasonable inference: Fonteius continued serving under the new arrangement. Wiki gloss: Fonteius was "brave, if not able."  Only the first is clearly in the source; the third is an editorial judgment rather than something Livy explicitly says. [britannica.com], [academia.edu] But double checking the Livy doesn't he say: Scipio commander, F. lieutenant -- MARCIUS UNDER F. - Marcius gathering survivors to the force which was led by the lieutenant F. -- then the election and the surprising result: the stupid troops choose this newcomer to the old distinguished career officer -- and the rest is history, misread! Thanks Yes, I think that is much closer to what Livy is actually saying. From the passage we retrieved, the sequence is:  The Scipios are dead and the Roman position in Spain appears ruined. [attalus.org], [britannica.com] Lucius Marcius gathers scattered survivors from the disaster. [attalus.org], [britannica.com] He then joins them to the force already under Tiberius Fonteius, who is explicitly described as Scipio's legate. [attalus.org] The soldiers then hold an election and unanimously confer the supreme command on Marcius. [britannica.com]  What's striking is that Livy does not introduce Marcius as Fonteius' superior. Quite the reverse. Livy's setup is almost:  established chain of command → T. Fonteius, Scipio's legate  and then  extraordinary man emerges → L. Marcius, a mere eques. [attalus.org], [britannica.com]  Indeed Livy's moralizing emphasis falls on Marcius:  eques Romanus animique et ingenii ... maioris a Roman knight whose spirit and talent exceeded what one would expect from his station. [attalus.org], [britannica.com]  Thus the surprise in Livy is not:  "Fonteius was shown to be incapable."  The surprise is:  "A mere equestrian acquired such prestige that the whole army elected him."  That is a different story. I also agree that later readers may have unconsciously rewritten the episode: Livy says:  Marcius was extraordinary.  Later gloss:  therefore Fonteius must have been inadequate.  But that second proposition does not follow. In fact, on the evidence before us, Fonteius looks like:  the recognized lieutenant of Scipio, still commanding a substantial force after the catastrophe, important enough that Marcius joins his survivors to Fonteius' army. [attalus.org]  Nothing there requires incompetence. One could even formulate the contrast in Gricean terms:  "The soldiers chose Marcius."  implicates  "Marcius was unusually impressive."  It does not entail  "Fonteius was unimpressive."  The Wikipedia-style conclusion:  "a brave, if not an able, officer"  looks very much like hindsight. Livy's actual narrative seems designed to elevate Marcius rather than to diminish Fonteius. [britannica.com], [attalus.org]

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Formaggio – Ossia: Grice e Formaggio: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’arte come comunicazione – filosofia della tecnica artistica,  Dino Formaggio (Milano, Lombardia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’arte come comunicazione – filosofia della tecnica artistica, Grice: “It’s odd, but when I coined non-natural meaning, I was thinking ARTIFICIAL signs! naturale-artifiziale. I like F.; for one, he philosophised on aesthetics – estetica filosofica, he calls it – along phenomenological lines – on the other, he took very seriously the idea of Latin ‘ars’ – and concludes that an ‘artificium’ is meant as ‘communicative’!” Si laurea a Milano sotto BANFI coll’arte come comunicazione fenomenologia dell'arte rapporto tra arte e tecnica nelle estetiche incentrata sul tema della tecnica artistica.  Insegna a Milano. Fenomenologia della tecnica artistica, Fenomenologia della tecnica artistica” (tecnica tecnica arte artistico); Piero della Francesca; Il Barocco in Italia; L'idea di artisticità – arte artistico artisticita – tecnica tecnicista, tecnicisticita; Arte; La morte dell'arte e dell'estetica; Gogh in cammino; I giorni dell'arte; Problemi di estetica; “Separatezza e dominio; Filosofi dell'arte Il canto di Seikilos. Scritti per F., Panza, Padre dell'Estetica Fenomenologica italiana, Museo di Arte di Teolo, Introduzione al Museo, Scuola di Milano Museo di arte contemporanea F. Arte ed Emozioni"Intervista a F., Museo d'arte contemporanea F., "Filosofo dell'arte e maestro di vita" di Vladimiro Elvieri, Franzini, Ricordo, Daturi, Il perché e il come dell'arte: l'estetica di F.", sito della mostra bibliografico-documentaria Nazione etnica Razza Discendenza Xenofobia Micronazione nazione Smith, Nazione, Popolo insieme delle persone fisiche che sono in rapporto di cittadinanza con uno Stato Nazionalità appartenenza di un individuo a una determinata nazione  Cosmopolitismo atteggiamento di chi si considera cittadino del mondo. arte naturale, l’arte come comunicazione, fenomenologia della tecnica artistica, natura, arte, artistico, tecnica, l’arte come comunicazione, segno della natura, segno dell’arte, segno naturale, segno artificiale artificiale segno di natura, segno di arte, phuseos theseos per natura, per positione natura nazione. Grice: Formaggio, è buffo: quando ho inventato il “significato non naturale” pensavo a segni artificiali, non a critici d’arte con la matita dietro l’orecchio. Formaggio: E invece l’ars è proprio questo, Grice: un artificio che comunica, anche quando finge di essere “solo” tecnica. Grice: Allora la tua fenomenologia mi sta dicendo che persino un colpo di pennello è un’implicatura che chiede collaborazione al pubblico. Formaggio: Esatto, e se qualcuno non capisce, non è “morte dell’arte”: è solo che non ha ancora letto le istruzioni dell’artificium. Formaggio, Dino (1941). Fenomenologia della tecnica. Milano: Bocca.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Forti – Ossia: Grice e Forti: la ragione conversazionale e il paradosso, ragione conversazionale ed implicatura conversazionale Cesare Forti (Arezzo, Toscana): la ragione conversazionale e il paradosso, ragione conversazionale ed implicatura conversazionale. Grice: “It’s funny, but at Oxford, we call logicians blue-collared crew – and it’s notable too that logicias seldom teach at Bologna faculty of philosophy, but places like Torino and such! A blue-collared practitioner, I’d say, had his father not been the celebrated composer!” Sistema G_HP . Si laurea a Pisa sotto DINI  e BETTI Insegna a Torino dove frequente il gruppo di gioco di PEANO con cui collabora nel formulario matematico, Continua la logica matematica. Il paradosso su l'INESISTENZA dell'insieme di tutti i numeri ordinali. calcolo vettoriale geometria differenziale astronomia balistica calcolo assoluto senza coordinate relatività formulazione invariante analitico-proiettiva meccanica razionale Ea si recto eonslilnfa fnerinl S= : SE;I3f5p u Ttoi%r Mio * wu comu - f„™„ 4 Q at2teHoa^osecJ a st.-ca, stadia „ formo di ragionamento proprie della LINGUA COMUNE, dei di questa si serper enunciare le sue leo'e’ì r o / studi» lo fo,., gg . La presenta spesso serie difficoltà, e fra i sistemi di postulati, solo quello per gli N, può dirsi irreduttibile. Sieno U„ V», W x delle proposizioni contenenti il gruppo di lettere variabili x: W, ò CONSEQUENZA NECESSARIA della proposizione. V* nel gruppo U x, V., quando, W x e CONSEQUENZA di U x e V x, e W x è indipendente da U x; cioè quando U x V* . Ox • W x : U x -W x . -= *. è facile dimostrare che la proposizione n e 1 -1- N . fi G f Z„ .g e (Z„ f Z») sim : 0 : fl+f2+... + fn=f(gl) + -fk»h che esprime la proprietà commutativa della somma, si dimostra facendo uso delle proposizione. Si ha cioè che (1). (2). (3): o: (4). Se ora 6 e la classe dei punti, eguali sono due punti coincidenti, e a + b è il punto medio del segmento che ha i punti a, b per estremi, le proposizioni sono vere (per n > 2). (1) ■ (2) (4): - =: A cioè la proposizione (4) l> CONSEQUENZA NECESSARIA della proposizione (3) nel gruppo o la proprietà commutativa della somma. Grice on Urmson: He took off his shoes and went to bed. proprietà associativa. Formalisti, neotradizionalisti, comibinatoria. Grice: Forti, a Oxford ci chiamano i logici “operai in tuta blu”, ma tu con quel paradosso sugli ordinali sembri più un giocoliere che un metalmeccanico. Forti: Io la tuta blu la porto volentieri, purché Peano mi lasci la lavagna e non mi chieda di mettere in ordine tutti gli insiemi, soprattutto quello che non esiste. Grice: In fondo la tua implicatura è: “seguite la lingua comune”, e poi mi tiri fuori conseguenze necessarie con più simboli di una partitura di tuo padre. Forti: Esatto, perché ad Arezzo si impara presto che la ragione conversazionale è come la meccanica razionale: se stringi troppo i postulati, poi ti saltano i bottoni. Forti, Cesare (1886). Sui sistemi di coniche. Giornale di Matematiche (Battaglini).

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Forti – Ossia: Grice e Forti: la scuola d’Arezzo, filosofia italiana (Arezzo).  Forti (Arenzzo, Toscana): la scuola d’Arezzo, filosofia italiana (Arezzo). Filosofo italiano. Arezzo. M. Arezzo. Filosofo, compositore e pittore italiano, padre del matematico F. Figlio di una ricca famiglia di possidenti aretini. Nasce di Giova Batista F. e Paolina BURALI. Si laurea in giurisprudenza a Siena e, secondo le cronache coeve, rifiutò grandi incarichi pur di rimanere nella natia Arezzo. Rimase tutta la vita impiegato della pubblica amministrazione aretina (era sottosegretario della prefettura) e rettore della Fraternita dei Laici. I concittadini lo descrissero come uomo pio, ma grande sostenitore della laicità dello stato nonché fervente patriota durante il Risorgimento. Si dilettò di pittura, soprattutto di ritrattistica[7], e si dedicò ampiamente alla musica anche se sempre a livello dilettantesco.  Musica  Preludio alternativo dell'opera Esther, autografo alla Biblioteca Città di Arezzo Scrisse dodici opere serie, tre scherzi melodrammatici, una farsa, una messa di requiem, ben 50 messe con orchestra, 10 per coro a cappella, 2 sinfonie, un quartetto, un concerto per pianoforte, varia musica da camera (soprattutto per fiati e archi), canzoni, pezzi corali, opere sacre non liturgiche, inni patriottici, e musiche di scena per numerosi drammi amatoriali. Collaborò con tutte le realtà musicali, professionali e non, di Arezzo, ed ebbe un rapporto speciale con le società filodrammatiche, per le quali amava scrivere spettacoli musicali comici. I suoi lavori teatrali, salutati da un grande successo locale, hanno una felice verve melodica e quelli sacri dimostrano un non comune talento armonico, che gli valse il diploma ad honorem dell'Istituto musicale di Firenze (due anni dopo l'istituto lo volle anche assumere come insegnante). Arezzo lo amò per le sue trame scacciapensieri, il suo anti-wagnerismo (mentre imperversava la dicotomia Verdi-Wagner, dagli anni '80 dell'800, F. fu un grande peroratore delle cause verdiane), e la sua calda cantabilità italiana Santori considera l'autografo integrale perduto, ma segnala l'esistenza dell'autografo della riduzione canto e pianoforte in una biblioteca privata. Partitura e parti manoscritte. Grice: Forti, tu hai rifiutato grandi incarichi per restare ad Arezzo: è coerenza civica o semplicemente paura delle riunioni a Firenze? Forti: Coerenza, certo, e poi ad Arezzo posso fare il sottosegretario, il rettore, il pittore e pure il compositore senza che nessuno mi chieda di scegliere una sola identità. Grice: Capisco, quindi la tua filosofia è che la laicità dello Stato si difende meglio con cinquanta messe con orchestra e qualche scherzo melodrammatico. Forti: Esatto, e se qualcuno mi parla di Wagner io rispondo con Verdi a volume patriottico, così anche l’implicatura fa il Risorgimento.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Foslio – Ossia: Grice e Foslio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Foslio.The Foslii, later Folii, are a PATRICIAN family at ancient Rome. The first of the gens to appear in history was Marcus F. Flaccinator, consular tribune. The only praenomina known to have been used by the Foslii are Marcus and Gaius. The only family name of the Foslia gens appearing in history was Flaccinator. This family was extinct at an early date. Marcus F. Flaccinator, tribunus militum consulari potestate. Marcus F. Flaccinator, grandfather of the consul. Gaius F. M. f. Flaccinator, father of the consul. Marcus F. C. f. M. n. Flaccinator, magister equitum, he and the dictator Gaius Maenius were accused of conspiring against the Republic, and resigned, but were acquitted by the consuls. F. was consul, and was nominated magister equitum a second time. The details of his service differ between Livy and the consular fasti.[4][5] See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita iv. 25.  Diodorus Siculus, Bibliotheca Historica xii. 58.  Fasti Capitolini.  Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita ix. 20, 26, 28.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Category: Roman gentes What I like of this gens is 'de-extinct. The wiki entry has it as an extinct gens -- patrician, no wonder -- recessive genes -- all historians of ROme are about the broadening of citizenship for the plebs -- few care to mention the poor patricians who become recessively extinct -- this one was charged for conspiring against the republic, as if some patrician would be surprised? Dialogue? Thanks What delights me about the Foslii/Folii is not so much Flaccinator's alleged conspiracy, but the tragic little note:  "This family was extinct at an early date."  That is almost anti-Roman-history. Most Roman history is told as:  plebeians rise, citizenship expands, Italy is integrated, new men enter politics.  But here we have the opposite story:  one tiny patrician gens simply disappears.  No revolution. No catastrophe. No barbarian invasion. Just... extinction. A Speranzian historian might complain:  De plebe semper scribunt; quis de patriciis periuntibus scribet? "They are always writing about the plebs; who will write about the vanishing patricians?"  And indeed, from the entry you supplied, the surviving members form a remarkably short list. The gens appears, attains high office, is accused of conspiring against the Republic, survives the accusation—and then vanishes from history.  The conspiracy charge The irony is that:  Marcus Foslius Flaccinator and the dictator Gaius Maenius were accused of conspiring against the Republic; they resigned and were later acquitted.  That's what the tradition preserves. (From the entry you provided.) A modern reader naturally thinks:  "What a shocking accusation!"  A weary Roman patrician might answer:  "Shocking? We are patricians. Somebody is always accusing somebody of conspiring against the Republic."   A Grice–Speranza dialogue ACCVSATOR  Rem publicam oppugnatis! "You are plotting against the Republic!"  FLACCINATOR  Quam rem publicam? "Which Republic?"  ACCVSATOR  Hanc. "This one."  FLACCINATOR  Heri alium accusavistis. "Yesterday you accused someone else."  ACCVSATOR  Etiam. "Indeed."   Extinction as a Gricean implicature The funniest thing is that the word "extinct" almost invites an implicature. A reader sees:  "The family became extinct."  and thinks:  plague, massacre, political disaster.  But the entry says none of that. The historian's silence encourages the imagination. A Gricean would say that the narrative generates more than it asserts. All we strictly know is:  later members are not attested.  Yet the word "extinct" makes us picture the last melancholy Foslius looking around Rome and realizing:  Ultimus sum. "I am the last."   The Patrician's Lament PATRICIVS  Cives fiunt omnes. "Everyone is becoming a citizen."  GRICEVS  Nonne hoc bonum est? "Isn't that a good thing?"  PATRICIVS  Fortasse. "Perhaps."  GRICEVS  Quid igitur dolet? "Then what troubles you?"  PATRICIVS  Dum res publica crescit, gens mea decrescit. "While the Republic grows, my family shrinks."  That, to me, is the most interesting Foslian theme: Roman history is usually written as expansion, but every expansion has its opposite side—small aristocratic houses quietly disappearing until the antiquarians can list all their known members on half a page. And the wiki writer cares to write: 'exctinct gens -- oiginally FOSLIVS, later corrupted to FOLIVS -- The 'conspiring' is an interesting thing -- against the republic. Not just him, but the dictator -- Later acquitted. Surely not enough proof. To conspire is such a trick to prove. Was the charge thhat good old F. was plotting together with his dictator to restore monarchy and name perhaps the dictator the eighth king of Rome, with our good old F. as vice-roy? Ha! as for the 'extinct' surely "but they can always be de-extinct, you know." wouldn't have hurt. It seems a leap from: "We never heard of them again" -> They extincted themselves. Perhaps they move from the public arena? True. No inscriptions? Perhaps the gens name kept corrupting itself Foslius, folius, fous? Ha Yes, and here I think a Grice–Speranza reading improves on the bare antiquarian entry. 1. "Extinct" is stronger than the evidence The entry says:  "This family was extinct at an early date."  But strictly speaking, what is actually observed is closer to:  "We stop hearing about them."  The inference:  no later Foslii in the record  →  the gens became extinct  is reasonable, but it is still an inference. A Speranzian dialogue: ANTIQUARIAN  Gens extincta est. "The family became extinct."  SPERANZA  Unde scis? "How do you know?"  ANTIQUARIAN  Postea non legitur. "It is not mentioned afterwards."  SPERANZA  Hoc probat non legi; non necessario non esse. "That proves it is not read about; not necessarily that it does not exist."  Of course, historians must make such practical inferences all the time. But the logical gap is real.  2. "De-extinction" Your joke about de-extinction is unexpectedly apt. A family may disappear:  from magistracies, from literary sources, from the Senate,  without disappearing biologically. What the entry really means is:  extinct as a historically visible gens.  Not necessarily:  every descendant vanished.  A very Roman possibility would be:  they continued as obscure people whom no historian cared to mention.   3. The conspiracy The accusation is perhaps even more interesting. The entry reports:  Marcus Foslius Flaccinator and the dictator Gaius Maenius were accused of conspiring against the Republic; they resigned and were later acquitted.  What exactly was the alleged conspiracy? The material you've supplied does not specify. So we should be careful not to invent details. Your suggestion:  restore monarchy, make Maenius the eighth king, make Foslius vice-king  is a delightful parody, but the sources cited in the entry (Livy IX.20, 26, 28) would need to be checked before assigning any specific charge. What we can say is that:  the charge was serious enough to force resignations, yet both men were subsequently acquitted.  That alone suggests either:  insufficient evidence, political hostility, or a charge difficult to prove.   4. Conspiracy and Grice A conspiracy is almost the perfect Gricean crime. Murder leaves a body. Theft leaves missing property. Conspiracy leaves:  intentions, conversations, inferences, suspicions.  A prosecutor always argues:  "These facts imply a hidden agreement."  The defendant answers:  "You are reading too much into them."  So: ACCVSATOR  Coniurastis! "You conspired!"  FOSLIVS  Quid est argumentum? "What is the evidence?"  ACCVSATOR  Convenistis. "You met."  FOSLIVS  Et? "And?"  The whole case depends on interpretation.  5. Foslius → Folius Your linguistic joke is also very Speranzian. If:  Foslius → Folius  then an antiquarian committed to Abbott's rhetoric could write:  "The name was corrupted."  A comparative philologist would reply:  "No, it changed."  And then Speranza would add:  "If every later form is a corruption, the original form must itself be the corruption of something earlier."  Exactly the problem we ran into with Claudius and Clodius. So perhaps the last Foslius never became extinct at all: LAST FOSLIVS  Non exstinctus sum. "I am not extinct."  HISTORIAN  Quid igitur es? "Then what are you?"  FOSLIVS  Folius nunc vocor. "I am called Folius now."  That is the sort of possibility that keeps philologists awake at night. And the usual topdog/underdog story (the wiki entry starts so nicely: "This is an old Patrician family...") and ends on a different note: competition for elective posts or offices -- F.: You know why we became extinct, you fool? You accuse me of conspiracy. You FORCE me to resign, more or less. I am acquitted. I am never offered the office back? What's the good of the acquittal. Hasty to charge me, have me resign, and then never restoring my office occupancy -- even if acquitted. Our DNA is not exctint, incidentally." Thanks Yes, and that is a wonderfully counter-narrative reading of the entry. The standard Roman story is:  old patricians obstruct history; new men, plebeians, and broader citizenship advance it.  But the Foslius/Folius vignette almost invites a reply from the losing side. The entry begins majestically:  "The Foslii ... are a patrician family..."  and ends:  "This family was extinct at an early date."  Between those two statements lies a political catastrophe compressed into a sentence. A Speranzian reconstruction: HISTORIAN  Gens extincta est. "The family became extinct."  FOSLIVS  Extincta? "Extinct?"  HISTORIAN  Ita. "Yes."  FOSLIVS  Audi prius historiam. "Hear the story first."   The Foslian defence FOSLIVS  "I become magister equitum."   "I am accused of conspiring against the Republic."   "I resign."   "I am acquitted."   "I am not restored."   "My public career ends."   "Centuries later you write: 'the family became extinct.'"  The implicit complaint is:  "You are describing the result without describing the mechanism."   The acquittal paradox What makes the episode philosophically interesting is exactly what you note. An acquittal normally carries the implicature:  the accused is vindicated.  But historically that need not happen. One may be:  accused, forced from office, acquitted,  and still never recover one's former position. A Gricean might say: Literal content  "Acquitted."  Expected implicature  "His reputation has been restored."  Historical reality  Not necessarily.  The conversational expectation exceeds the institutional consequence.  "Our DNA is not extinct" This is perhaps the most amusing objection to antiquarian language. The entry's statement:  "This family was extinct at an early date"  really means:  "We stop finding historically prominent Foslii."  It does not prove that every biological descendant vanished. So the last Foslius may protest:  Non extincti sumus; otiosi sumus. "We are not extinct; we are merely out of office."  Or:  Historia nos amisit; nos historiam non amisimus. "History lost track of us; we did not lose ourselves."  That is, in fact, the deeper Gricean point: later historians convert  "no later evidence"  into  "extinction."  The second is stronger than the first. And one can almost hear the old patrician muttering:  "You charge me with conspiracy, force my resignation, acquit me, never restore me, forget my descendants, and then blame me for becoming extinct?"

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fortunio – Ossia: Grice e Fortunio: le regole conversazionale.  Giovanni Francesco Fortunio (Pordenone, Friuli): le regole conversazionale. Grice: “Other than his seminal work, “Regole grammaticali della volgar lingua,” which Wood finds adoring, but I insulting – ‘conversational rule’ – against Wood’s ‘The force of linguistic rules’ --, F.’s only other known publication is an eclogue titled ‘Amonio ed Egialo,’ full of conversational impilcatures! Hiis work in the ‘filosofia della lingua’ grows out of his study d’ALIGHIERI, PETRARCA, e BOCCACCIO. It’s different in England, where the first grammar is Aelfric’s grammar of Latin for illiterate Anglo-Saxons! Le regole GRAMMATICALI, not syntactical, not semantical, plain grammar, as per the trivium – cf. regole logiche, regole rettoriche -- is the first grammar of  Italian, foundational in its standardization, and responds to a growing need for guidance on using Italian, establishing a genre of codification. F. provides a morphological -- strictly, morpho-syntactical, cf. my work on morpho-syntactic category --, and orthographical analysis, crucial for the codification of the literary Italian model. He advocates for a specific norm, based on the three crowns. This grammatica degl’autori approach establishes a tradition of basing Italian on the classic literary register. frequently reprinted, had a formative influence on the study of Italian and lays the groundwork for BEMPO who further cementes the archaising, literary-based model that prevails in the standardisation of Italian.  F.’s is an accessible rule-book for the vernacular, setting a standard that non-Tuscans can follow to master the language of the great Tuscans and shaping the development of the nation’s language. REVISTE E CON SOMMA DILIGENTIA CORRETTE ALU STVDIOSI DELLA REGOLA dopo consonante sola si pone sempre come senza avanza e simili azurro obizo nome proprio Qui zante nome di citta\ traggonsi della prima regola e simili nel principio dtUeuoci rddo fi ufd, come zcphiro zoppo zdncd^zdppd zdphiro zdnzdr* rd zelo j nel significato che Petrarca lo pone nel triompho deWdmor o quinci il mio zelo . £7* come ditti nel Idtino : md gelofo fi dice 7 non z elofo.  1^ *" ' Giovanni Francesco Fortunio. Pordenone, Friulia-Venezia Giulia. Grice: Fortunio, dimmi la verità: le tue regole conversazionali sono nate per aiutare gli italiani o per far impazzire gli inglesi con Aelfric? Fortunio: Per entrambi, ma soprattutto per convincere tutti che dopo una consonante sola “si pone sempre come”, anche quando uno voleva solo ordinare un caffè. Grice: Capisco, dunque le tue implicature sono come Petrarca: sembrano leggere e poi ti ritrovi a fare morfo-sintassi a mezzanotte. Fortunio: Esatto, e se non ti piace, ricordati che almeno non ti costringo a declinare in latino per chiedere dov’è il bagno. Fortunio, Giovani Francesco (1485). Armonio et Egialo. Pordenone

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fracastoro – Ossia: Grice e Fracastoro: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’anima.  Girolamo Fracastoro (Verona, Veneto): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’anima. Grice: “I use ‘soul’ rarely, but then I went to Clifton so psyche sounds more natural to me! I love F.; for one, I love a physician, since I came to know quite a few – at Richmond!” I love F.; he philosophised on mainly three topics: the ‘soul’ – in a philosophical dialogue entitled after him, Fracastoro; on poetics, in a dialogue which he named after his poet friend Navagero; and third, on ‘intellezione,’ in a dialogue which he named after another friend, one Torre, “Torrius. The fact that Gerolamo, or Girolamo, is still at Verona, is fascinatingly charming!” Si laurea a Padova. Insegna a Padova. Homocentrica”. patologia È il primo ad ipotizzare e verificare che una infezione e dovuta a un germe portatore di una malattia, “Sifilide, ossia sul “mal francese Sul contagio e sulle malattie contagiose.” le code cometarie si presentano sempre lungo la direzione del Sole, ma in verso opposto ad esso. Descrisse uno strumento in funzione astronomica, poi realizzato da BONAIUTO: il cannocchiale. Scrive III dialoghi filosofici: de Poetica estetica), de Intellectione e de Anima.  Girolamo interroga una prostituta in cerca di informazioni per il suo poema sulla sifilide palla. fatti sperimentati nella natura, dalla materia informe alle più alte manifestazioni della  vita e dello spirito. Problema immenso, tanto alto e tanto complesso clie nemmeno ai dì nostri si può dire di esser vicini al suo scioglimento;  non pertanto se fu almeno, fin dal Rinascimento,  dimostrato qual dovesse essere la via vera per incamminarvisi, questo è dovuto a coloro che vollero ritemprata la filosofìa nelle scienze. Ma questa parte del Dialogo del F., che promette essere la sintesi sublime delle sue cognizioni e delle sue idee filosofiche intorno alla natura, all'intelletto ed all’anima, non può se non accendere in noi un desiderio il quale non può essere soddisfatto, percliè a questo punto  il dialogo stesso è rimasto tronco e interrotto  per la morte dell' autore. dialogo sull’anima, ovvero, il Fracastoro, di Fracastoro. Grice: «Fracastoro, io uso “anima” di rado, ma dopo Clifton “psiche” mi esce come se fosse una parola di casa—e senza ricetta.» Fracastoro: «Allora ti prescrivo un dialogo al giorno: uno per l’anima, uno per la poetica e uno per l’intellezione, da assumere lontano dai sofismi.» Grice: «Ottimo, così quando parlo di implicature posso dire che sono contagiose, ma prometto di non chiamarle “mal francese” davanti ai miei studenti.» Fracastoro: «Affare fatto: tu tieni a bada le massime, io tengo a bada i germi, e insieme salviamo la conversazione prima che resti tronca sul più bello.» Fracastoro, Girolamo (1530). Syphilis sive morbus gallicus.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Franchini – Ossia: Grice e Franchini: l’arguzia della ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale nell’età degl’eroi, la gloria d’Enea.  Raffaello Franchini (Napoli, Campania). Grice: “At Oxford we say that Greek was the most plastic of languages, until the Turk got over! But Italian can be pretty plastic too: witness spettico, prospettico, prespettico – which would sound pompous in the lips of anyone but me! I like F. For one, he philosophises on the metafisica dell’amore; for another, he provides a critica della ragione conversazionale. I collect reasons, pure reason, practical reason, communicative reason, historical reason…” Si laurea a Napoli sotto Croce. Insegna a Napoli. Conosce PANNUNZIO e RAGGHIANTI. etica politica. liberal-democrazia. aforismi, Il nocciolo della sua filosofia sta nel tema del giudizio storico, politico, prospettico. A Croce s’ispira, riconoscendogli il merito, per lo più sottaciuto, d’aver calato la filosofia nel vivo dell’esperienza storica. Nell’esperienza dello storicismo distingue con ANTONI una matrice VICO e CROCE dal filologico: la filosofia dello spirito non è una pura e semplice ripresa dell’idealismo nucleo logico nel nesso delle categorie conoscitiva, teoretica-aletica, e pratica-buletica-volitiva, l’*uni*-cità or e sospinge dinanzi a noi, lo proietta verso ciò che non è ancora, verso il futuro. le premesse, osserva COTRONEO, di quella svolta. verso giudizio storico-prospettico che si richiama al giudizio riflettente critico e che entra in rotta di collisione verso i principi logici e verso la forma assoluta del sapere. lo storicismo come principio logico abbandona ogni residuo che l’accomuna all’idealismo. Ciò in cui di finisce coll'imbattersi  è l’universale senza concetto di cui parla la critica del giudizio, quel giudizio senza riflessione di VICO, quel giudizio adeguato ad una visione aperta e non prescrittiva della storia e che s’affida ad una RAZIONALITÀ che colla storia si trasforma. previsione. Su ciò resta  l'argomentazione svolta. I gladiatori. vitale avvenire divenire storicismo mecanismo dialettica opposti distinti aequi-vocalita della dialettica giudizio l’utile storia ciclica lineale, filosofia analitica critica della ragione storica. Grice: Franchini, nell’età degli eroi io colleziono ragioni come figurine, ma l’unica che mi manca è quella per dire “prespettico” senza sembrare un centurione pedante.» Franchini: «Tranquillo, Grice: a Napoli basta che lo dici con amore metafisico e diventa subito glorioso, quasi come Enea con un dizionario in mano.» Grice: «Allora facciamo un patto: tu mi dai una critica della ragione conversazionale e io ti do un’implicatura eroica—tipo “sono umile”, che a Oxford significa “ho ragione”.» Franchini: «E io implico che lo storicismo è un gladiatore educato: combatte i principi logici, ma saluta sempre prima di colpire, per puro giudizio prospettico.» Franchini, Raffaello (1947). Saggio sulla dialettica. Napoli: Liguori.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Franci – Ossia: Grice e Franci: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale degl’ostrogoti.  Giorgio Renato Franci (Ferrara, Emilia). Grice: “In Italy, I’m described as Goth, good, – since I speak the Gothick language! I like F. For one, he philosophises and calls his thing ‘studi linguistici; for another, he teaches in a varsity older than mine!” Si laurea a Bologn. Insegna a Bologna. i suoi interessi si sono concentrati principalmente sullo studio delle molteplici manifestazioni della spiritualità. Conosce TUCCI. biblioteca di discipline umanistiche a Bologna. lingua aria questione linguistica, MARTINETTI Ostrogoti antico popolo germanico. Gl’ostrogoti sono il ramo orientale dei goti, una tribù germanica che influenza gl’eventi politici dell’impero romano.  Palazzo di Teodorico a Ravenna, mosaico nella basilica di Sant'Apollinare Nuovo. Sconfissero Odoacre, che depone Romolo Augusto, ultimo imperatore romano d'occidente, e si insediarono in Italia. Sono poi sconfitti dai bizantini. Identità con i Grutungi.  Fibula ostrogota a forma di aquila. La tribù degl’ostrogoti viene citata pella prima volta all'interno della biografia dell'imperatore CLAUDIO IL GOTICO, attribuita a Trebellius Pollio, appartenente alla raccolta Historia Augusta. Essi sono ricordati fra le tribù della Scizia che invadeno e devastarono allora l'impero -- gl’ostrogoti sono citati insieme con i grutungi, i tervingi The Goths, Wolfram, Storia dei Goti, People and Identity in Ostrogothic Italy, Azzara, L'Italia dei barbari, Bordone; Sergi, Il medio evo, I Goti. Pepe, Il Medio Evo barbarico d'Italia. Einaudi, Tabacco, La Storia politica e sociale, dal tramonto dell'impero romano alle formazioni di stati regionali, in Storia d'Italia, Tamassia, regno dei goti e dei longobardi in Italia, La caduta dell'impero romano. i goti d'Italia. Garollo, re dei goti e degl'italiani,  , Lamma, People and identity in Ostrogothic Italy, Giovanditto, goti in Italia; Saitta, La civilitas di Teoderico: rigore amministrativo, tolleranza religiosa e recupero dell'antico nell'Italia ostrogota, L'Erma goti sovrani ostrogoti regno lingua gotica Grutungi Antica Roma Medioevo regno ostrogoto in Italia; Tervingi Grutungi. i ostrogoti. Grice, 1958, Merton. One can waste half a day in a library and still come out with a single line that will not leave you alone. I had been browsing abstracts in the Merton library with the dutiful suspicion of a man who knows that abstracts are usually written to spare the reader the trouble of reading and thereby deprive him of the only honest pleasure, when an item from Bologna stopped me as if it had rapped the table: Giorgio Renato Franci, L’Upadesasahasri (Gadyabhaga) di Sankara: contributo allo studio del Kevaladvaita, Bologna, Nicola Zanichelli, 1958. The title alone is a small philosophical object lesson. Upadesasahasri, one word that behaves like a clause; Gadyabhaga in brackets, as if prose itself needed classification; contributo allo studio, that peculiarly Italian way of keeping one’s ambition civil; and then Kevaladvaita, which sounds, to an English ear trained on “A is A,” like a metaphysic that has decided to take identity personally. What caught me, fastidiously, was not that a man in Bologna could publish on Sankara, but that it looked, from the bibliographical line, entirely at home there, as if Bologna in 1958 could treat Sanskrit and Advaita as calmly as it treats Roman law. Oxford, by contrast, makes a virtue out of ignorance by calling it “specialisation.” We pretend not to know what we have never institutionalised. We call that restraint. The further irritation, of course, is that I am meant to be surprised. Bologna is, in our English myth, the place of “old learning,” and old learning is imagined as Latin and lawyers, not Sanskrit and Vedanta. Yet Bologna has glottologia, and glottologia is, in that Italian of the time, what we would awkwardly call linguistics before we had the departmental courage to admit the thing existed. Franci’s tutor is given as Luigi Heilmann, professor of glottologia at Bologna, teaching Sanskrit among other things, and there, in a footnote of my own mind, the whole Oxford apparatus begins to wobble. We at Oxford had, of course, comparative philology long before we ever dared to say “general linguistics”; we had Max Müller and the Chair of Comparative Philology, and we had Sanskrit as an object of learned attention, but it lived, so far as my own Literae Humaniores formation was concerned, at the edge of the respectable, like a cousin at dinner whom one acknowledges politely and then hopes will not start singing. Greats trains you to treat Greek and Latin as if they exhaust language worth knowing; anything beyond looks like anthropology with grammar. Yet here is Bologna placing Indian philosophy, and its texts, and their philological requirements, at the centre of a learned career early enough that a young man can publish in 1958 with Zanichelli as if it were the most natural thing in the world. I caught myself thinking, with the sort of dry amusement that is really self-criticism, that Oxford would have made Franci either an exotic curiosity or a man in a separate building, whereas Bologna seems to have let him be an ordinary scholar doing extraordinary texts. The odd unity of it all then becomes the point. We are trained to speak as if East and West are separate philosophical planets, and then we discover that the actual philosophical labour on both sides is the same kind of labour: attention to text, control of inference, disciplined paraphrase, and the ability to distinguish what is said from what must be supplied. A man doing Kevaladvaita is, at least in that formal respect, doing what I am always telling pupils to do with Aristotle: get the structure straight before you get sentimental. Kipling, of course, says that East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet; and that line has been used, with the usual English laziness about quotation, as if it were a conclusion rather than a provocation. The better moral, at least for a philosopher looking at a bibliographical entry in 1958, is that they meet constantly, but usually in the unadvertised places: in grammar, in logic, in the discipline of commentary, and in the shared human need to make a thought answerable. If Oxford sometimes behaves as if it were Boum Vadum, a muddy ford where one drags concepts across by force of habit and calls the struggle “analysis,” Bologna reminds one that an alma mater can be older than one’s own and yet less parochial about what counts as philological seriousness. I set the abstract down and found myself, absurdly, grateful to Heilmann, whom I will never meet, for having supervised Franci into a region of thought that Oxford treats as optional ornament; and then, being unable to remain grateful for more than a moment without converting it into a complaint, I added the sharper reflection that philosophers at Oxford have had to spend so much energy fighting the devil of scientism and the other devil of slogan-positivism that we sometimes miss the simpler unity: that metaphysics, whether it calls itself Kevaladvaita or “identity,” is still an attempt to say what there is, and that the best guard against nonsense is not the refusal to speak but the discipline of speaking under rules one can defend. I remembered that I had a class to prepare on Meaning, and the line on Franci’s title stayed with me precisely because it is, in its way, a meaning lesson: a title as a compressed promise, an abstract as an invitation to infer, and a whole scholarly world presupposed by a few words in a catalogue. East and West, if one stops turning them into postcards, meet every time a man reads a text carefully enough to ask what it says, what it implies, and what he is licensed to conclude.Grice: Franci, dicono che in Italia io sia un Goth—ottimo, allora posso lamentarmi in gotico quando l’implicatura non mi viene.» Franci: «Perfetto, ma ricordati che con gli Ostrogoti la massima di maniera è “parla chiaro”… altrimenti ti ritrovi a Ravenna a spiegarti ai mosaici.» Grice: «Eppure la conversazione è come una fibula a forma d’aquila: sembra solo decorativa, ma tiene insieme tutto, soprattutto quando Odoacre cade dal discorso.» Franci: «Allora facciamo così: tu porti le massime, io porto Bologna (più vecchia di Oxford), e vediamo se gli Ostrogoti implicano o conquistano.» Franci, Giorgio Renato (1958). L’Upadeśasahasrī (Gadyabhāga) di Śaṅkara: contributo allo studio del Kevalādvaita. Bologna: Zanichelli.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Francia – Ossia: Grice e Francia: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dei centauri.  Giuliano Toraldo di Francia (Firenze, Toscana). Grice: “For my use of ‘objective,’ not as in ‘conversational objective,’ I recommend my first Carus Lecture! oggetivo-suggetivo. F. is a good one. For one, he philosophises on ‘not’: “il rifiuto.” Italians use rifiute and confute – as we do! Ryle used to say, to provoke Popper, that ‘to refute’ is pretentious, when ‘to deny’ does!” Si laurea Firenze sotto CARRARA. Insegna a Firenze. ricerca ottica Bologna onda elettromagnetica microonda fisica elettronica quantista, Lincei. ALIGHIERI fisica matematica laser meccanica quantistica elettrodinamica epistemologia informatica. super-risoluzione, filtro Toraldo interferenza inversa prodromico all’olografia dimostrazione sperimentale dell'esistenza dell’onda evanescente cultura scientifica umanistica radiazione diffrazione fotone elettrone accelerazione della particella metodo geometrico aritmetico teoria fisiche. L'amico di Platone. Le cose e i loro nomi, scimmia allo specchio. Osservarsi per conoscere, Tempo, cambiamento, invarianza, EX ABSURDO In fin dei conti objectivists conduct, a thing to which value may be attributed. So while queerness can be used to specify tasks which an objectivist could be called upon, and very likely would call on himself, to perform. It is not in advance certain that this task can be performed, as if someone were to say, 'I seriously doubt whether arithmetic is possible; if it were, it would be about numbers: very queer things indeed, quite inaccessible to any observation'; or 'I don't see how there can be such a thing as matrimony; if there were, people would have to be bound to one another in marriage, but everything we see in life suggests that the only way that people are bound to one another is with ropes. i centauri, ex absurdo; scientific realism, philosophy of physics, foundations of physics; geometry and arithmetics as the methods in physics; observation and perception, ‘what the eye no longer sees’ we see with our eyes”; Eddington’s two tables particella relativo-assoluto –BONAIUTO Hare valore Lemarchand, theatre, not Esslin. Grice, St John’s, my office, 1946. I had been browsing abstracts in the dutiful modern way, as if a man could be educated by reading what other men claim to have written rather than what they actually wrote, when a small biographical parenthesis irritated me into attention: Giuliano Toraldo di Francia, laurea in physics at Florence, 1940, under Nello Carrara. I stared at the line longer than it deserved, because Oxford has trained me to distrust the ease with which we turn cities into symbols. Florence, of course, is supposed to mean the Renaissance, the humanities in marble, the sort of place where a philosopher ought to feel artistically licensed. Yet here was Florence in 1940 producing electromagnetic waves under Carrara, who sounds, by name alone, like a sculptor but was tutoring the hard sort of brains in the hard sort of subject in the year when Europe was practising its own unlovely empiricism with tanks. The line had the further virtue of puncturing an Oxford idealisation that persists even in those of us who pretend we have outgrown it: the idea that the Continent is culture and that we, the islanders, are the sober custodians of “analysis.” Ayer, the local devil of positivism, had already made Oxford feel, in certain rooms, as if philosophy had been reduced to a kind of hygienic inspection, and yet it occurs to me that what we called positivism would have been better called empiricism, if only to avoid the Comtean coinage that carries, by its very sound, a whiff of doctrinal enthusiasm; and if one really wants an antonym to that sort of enthusiasm, one does not need Schopenhauer’s “negativism,” one only needs the ordinary English word gloom. In any case, the supposed opposition between humane Florence and scientific Oxford is childish: Florence had Carrara and Toraldo di Francia in 1940; Oxford had, in 1946, young men willing to confuse the refusal of metaphysics with the possession of sense, and to mistake a methodological scruple for a world-view. I found myself thinking, with the faintly prophetic irritation that arrives just before a lecture, that the so-called two cultures are not a future diagnosis waiting for some later journalist to name them; they are an old domestic quarrel, present everywhere, and philosophers are obliged to live in it without turning it into a slogan. Toraldo di Francia’s later drift toward philosophical questions in physics and information would not surprise anyone who had watched science long enough to notice that it cannot do without idealisations and cannot keep itself from talking about what can be known, what can be observed, what the eye no longer sees but the theory insists upon; and that, of course, is precisely where the philosopher’s devils gather, because scientism is not science but the temperament that thinks measurement abolishes meaning. I shut the abstracts and looked at my own notes for the class on Meaning, and I could not help smiling at the fastidiousness of it: Oxford men will sneer at “systems” and then produce, with straight faces, their own private systems of what counts as sense, as if the devil had been defeated by changing his name. Meanwhile, somewhere in the same decade, a Florentine physicist had been trained by Carrara into the discipline of waves and constraints, and would go on to speak, in his own register, about the limits of seeing and the demands of objectivity; and I, preparing to speak about what a man means when he says something, felt again the same stubborn conclusion I always return to: that idealisation is not the enemy, it is the condition of any serious inquiry, and that our job, whether we are bullied by Ayer’s puritanism or seduced by Renaissance postcards, is to keep the idealisations honest by keeping track of what they leave out.Grice: Francia, se i centauri hanno un’implicatura conversazionale, allora metà di loro la capisce e l’altra metà scalcia.» Francia: «È ex absurdo, Grice: quando l’occhio non vede più, la metà cavallo compensa con una super‑risoluzione… emotiva.» Grice: «Ryle direbbe che “confutare” è pretenzioso e basta “negare”, ma con un centauro se nega male e poi ti ritrovi con l’impronta dello zoccolo.» Francia: «Allora facciamo così: tu tieni ferme le massime, io tengo ferma l’onda elettromagnetica, e insieme vediamo se l’oggettivo e il soggettivo smettono di galoppare in direzioni opposte.» Francia, Giuliano Toraldo di (1940). Laurea. Fisica, sotto Nello Carrara. Firenze.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fufidio – Ossia: Grice e Fufidio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fufidio. The Fufidii are a family at Rome. Lucius F., a pleader of causes of some repute at Rome. Marcus Aemilius Scaurus addressed to him an autobiography in three books. F , propraetor of Hispania Baetica at the beginning of the Sertorian War. He is probably the same person as the Furfidius mentioned by Florus, who admonished Sulla during his proscription "to spare some that he might have some to rule." Sertorius defeated him.[4][5] F., an eques, whom Lucius Calpurnius Piso, when proconsul of Macedonia, assigned to his creditors at Apollonia. According to TULLIO Cicero, this assignment was the more shameful because these very Apolloniates had procured by a bribe of 200 talents to Piso remission or delay of their own debts. Quintus F., an eques, and a native of Arpinum. He was one of three commissioners sent in BC 46 by the municipium of Arpinum to collect their rents in Cisalpine Gaul. F. was the stepson of Marcus Caesius, and was tribune of a legion stationed in Cilicia during Tullio Cicero's consulship. Cicero recommended him to Marcus Junius Brutus.[7] F., a wealthy man mentioned by ORAZIO.[8] F., a jurist, who probably lived between the time of Vespasian and Hadrian.[9] Lucius F. Pollio, consul.[1] See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Brutus 30.  Gaius Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis xxiii. 1. s. 6.  Gaius Sallustius Crispus, Fragments i. 15, 52 ed. Gerlach, vol. i, xv. p. 218.  Florus, Epitome de T. Livio Bellorum Omnium Annorum DCC libri duo iii. 21.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, In Pisonem 35; Epistulae ad Atticum xi. 13.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares xiii. 11, 12.  Quintus Horatius Flaccus, Satirae i. 2. 12.  Digesta seu Pandectae 34 tit. 2. s. 5, 40. tit. 2. s. 25, 42. tit. 5. s. 29.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Stub icon This ancient Roman biographical article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by adding missing information.  Categories: Roman gentesAncient Roman people stubs Can you explain for this gens this one involved with Piso and cited by Tullio as involved in something shameful? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fufidio – Ossia: Grice e Fufidio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fufidio. Yes. The interesting Fufidius here is the one mentioned in Cicero's In Pisonem 35, and the shame is not primarily Fufidius' own action but the arrangement in which Piso involved him. The gens entry summarizes the episode as follows:  Lucius Calpurnius Piso, while proconsul of Macedonia, assigned an eques named Fufidius to his debtors at Apollonia. Cicero says the arrangement was especially disgraceful because the Apolloniates had already secured remission or postponement of their own debts by bribing Piso with 200 talents. (Summary in the entry from In Pisonem 35.)  The moral outrage, at least in Cicero's presentation, runs like this:  The Apolloniates owed money. They bribed Piso. Piso granted them favorable treatment regarding those debts. Piso then connected Fufidius, one of his creditors or financial associates, with the same people.  Cicero treats this as evidence of corrupt provincial administration. A Gricean reconstruction is almost unavoidable: PISO  "I am merely making an administrative arrangement."  CICERO  "Nobody believes that."  The explicit act is:  assigning Fufidius to the Apolloniates.  The implicature Cicero wants the audience to recover is:  bribery, favoritism, mutual financial advantage.  In other words, Cicero's accusation is not:  "Fufidius committed a crime proven in court."  Rather, it is:  "The transaction looks shameful because of the surrounding circumstances."  Notice how characteristic this is of In Pisonem. Cicero delights in juxtaposing facts so that the audience supplies the conclusion. A Speranzian dialogue: PISO  Apolloniensibus dilationem dedi. "I granted the Apolloniates a postponement."  CICERO  Cur? "Why?"  PISO  Quia ita visum est. "Because it seemed proper."  CICERO  Et ducenta talenta? "And the two hundred talents?"  At that point Cicero does not need to finish the argument. The audience is meant to infer the rest. So the Gricean feature of this Fufidius is that he appears not as an independent actor but as part of a larger constellation of implied corruption. Cicero's rhetorical strategy relies less on proving a specific act by Fufidius than on creating the appearance that no innocent interpretation of the transaction is plausible. And the wiki goes again overboard since neither Grice nor Speranza would think a pseudo-gravitas even like Tullio would use Latin for 'shameful'? Thanks -- can we check Cicero's latin words? I think your suspicion is justified. The gens-entry's phrase:  "the assignment was the more shameful because..."  is almost certainly not Cicero's own word, but a Victorian/antiquarian summary of what Cicero is taken to imply. From what I've been able to verify, the entry's statement ultimately derives from Cicero, In Pisonem 35, but the search results I retrieved do not expose the text of section 35 itself, only the surrounding editions and translations. [attalus.org], [thelatinlibrary.com] So I cannot honestly tell you:  Cicero uses turpis, foedus, flagitiosus, dedecus, etc.  because I have not yet recovered the actual Latin of §35. What I can say is that your Gricean point is sound. Cicero's style in In Pisonem is often not:  "Hoc turpissimum est." "This is very shameful."  but rather:  juxtapose fact A, juxtapose fact B, allow the Senate to draw conclusion C.  Thus:  The Apolloniates allegedly paid Piso 200 talents. Piso granted them remission or delay. Fufidius is then assigned to them.  Cicero's preferred rhetorical method is frequently:  "I merely state the facts."  with the audience supplying:  "Ah, corruption."  The "shamefulness" is often an implicature before it becomes an explicit accusation. A Grice–Speranza reconstruction: CICERO  Apolloniatae ducenta talenta dederunt. "The Apolloniates gave two hundred talents."  SENATOR  Et deinde? "And then?"  CICERO  Dilatio debitorum facta est. "A postponement of debts was granted."  SENATOR  Et deinde? "And then?"  CICERO  Fufidius illis adsignatus est. "Fufidius was assigned to them."  SENATOR  Intellego. "I understand."  GRICE  "Notice that nobody has yet uttered the word turpe."  Exactly. The audience is invited to reach the verdict themselves. And I agree with you that a summary such as:  "this was the more shameful because..."  already contains the editor's interpretation. It may be Cicero's intended conclusion, but it is not necessarily Cicero's vocabulary. To settle the matter properly, we'd need the exact Latin of In Pisonem 35 itself. Does this below help? In section 86 of In Pisonem, Cicero addresses the specific scenario where the citizens of Apollonia bribed Piso with 200 talents. As a direct consequence (or corollary) of this bribe, Piso "sold out" the highly respected Roman knight, Fufidius, effectively handing a Roman creditor over to his foreign debtors. [1, 2] The exact Latin text for this interaction is: [1] "Nonne, cum CC talenta tibi Apolloniatae Romae dedissent ne pecunias creditas solverent, ultro Fufidium, equitem Romanum, hominem ornatissimum, creditorem debitoribus suis addixisti?" [1] Precise Translation & Grammatical Breakdown "Nonne...": "Did you not..." (introducing a question expecting an emphatic "yes"). "...cum CC [ducenta] talenta tibi Apolloniatae Romae dedissent": "...when the Apolloniates had given two hundred talents to you at Rome..." [1] "...ne pecunias creditas solverent...": "...in order that they might not pay back the money they owed..." [1] "...ultro Fufidium, equitem Romanum, hominem ornatissimum...": "...actually [go so far as to hand over] Fufidius, a Roman knight, a most distinguished man..." [1] "...creditorem debitoribus suis addixisti?": "...[and] adjudge/enslave him, the creditor, to his own debtors?" [1] Rhetorical Context The shameful behavior here belongs entirely to Piso, rather than Fufidius. Cicero uses the highly legalistic and sharp verb addixisti (from addicere, which means to formally adjudge or bind a debtor over to their master as property/a slave). The ultimate insult to Roman dignity highlighted by Cicero is the corruption of justice: Piso took a foreign bribe to turn the legal hierarchy upside down, subjugating an honorable Roman citizen (hominem ornatissimum) to the very foreigners who owed him money. [1, 2] If you are exploring further instances of financial extortion in Cicero's provincial speeches, I can contrast this with similar cases in his In Verrem orations. Would you like to analyze those? Yes, this helps a great deal, because now we can look at Cicero's own rhetoric rather than the wiki editor's summary. The key sentence is:  Nonne, cum CC talenta tibi Apolloniatae Romae dedissent ne pecunias creditas solverent, ultro Fufidium, equitem Romanum, hominem ornatissimum, creditorem debitoribus suis addixisti?  A literal rendering would be something like:  "Did you not, when the Apolloniates had given you two hundred talents at Rome so that they would not have to pay their debts, actually assign Fufidius—a Roman knight, a most distinguished man—the creditor, to his own debtors?"  What's striking is that Cicero does not need the word turpis ("shameful") here. Instead he builds the indignation structurally:  The Apolloniates give Piso 200 talents. The purpose is that they should avoid paying debts. Fufidius is a Roman knight (equitem Romanum). Fufidius is a most distinguished man (hominem ornatissimum). Piso then addixisti him to the debtors.  The climax is the verb:  addixisti  This is a wonderfully loaded choice. Cicero could have said:  assigned, transferred, referred,  but instead chooses a verb suggesting legal adjudication, almost a surrendering or handing over. The rhetoric is:  creditor → debtor  normally the superiority runs one way. Cicero presents Piso as reversing the relationship:  the creditor is handed over to the debtors.  The audience is expected to find that outrageous. So I agree with you: the wiki's  "the assignment was the more shameful"  is really an editor's paraphrase. Cicero's actual technique is subtler and more Gricean. He does not merely say:  "This was shameful."  He asks:  Nonne ... addixisti? "Did you not do this?"  and arranges the facts so that the hearer supplies:  "Indeed, that was disgraceful."  In Gricean terms, the condemnation is largely implicated rather than baldly asserted. A Speranzian dialogue would be: CICERO  Apolloniatae ducenta talenta dederunt.  SENATOR  Intellego.  CICERO  Ne solverent.  SENATOR  Intellego.  CICERO  Fufidium creditor em debitoribus addixisti.  SENATOR  Satis intellego.  No explicit turpe est is required. The force comes from the arrangement of the facts and especially from the choice of addixisti. The real target, as your source correctly notes, is Piso. Fufidius functions primarily as the injured party and the respectable Roman foil (equitem Romanum, hominem ornatissimum) against whom Piso's conduct is measured. And what's the English for your latest Latin conversation -- It's odd that in this cross-examination, we are never given the answer to the rhetorcially loaded, "Did you not ...?" with the ~ implicating "you did -- don't mind answering -- this is rhetorical question, as I call it in my own Rhetoric, ch.4, sec. 5?" Ha Yes! My little Latin dialogue was: CICERO  Apolloniatae ducenta talenta dederunt.  "The Apolloniates gave two hundred talents." SENATOR  Intellego.  "I understand." CICERO  Ne solverent.  "So that they would not have to pay." SENATOR  Intellego.  "I understand." CICERO  Fufidium creditorem debitoribus addixisti.  "You assigned Fufidius, the creditor, to his debtors." SENATOR  Satis intellego.  "I understand perfectly." The joke is that nobody ever says:  Hoc turpe est. "This is disgraceful."  Yet that is precisely the conclusion the audience is expected to reach. And your observation about the rhetorical question is spot-on. Cicero asks:  Nonne ... addixisti? "Did you not ... assign Fufidius...?"  Grammatically it is a question. Rhetorically it is almost the opposite of a request for information. Cicero is not saying:  "Perhaps you could clear up my uncertainty."  He is saying:  "You did this, didn't you?"  with the strong expectation:  "Yes, of course he did."  In Latin rhetoric, nonne? is the classic marker of a question expecting assent. A Gricean analysis would be: Literal force Question:  Did you do it?  Communicated force Assertion:  You did it.  Further implicature  And everyone here knows what that implies.  So Piso is placed in an impossible position. If he answers:  "Yes."  he confirms the charge. If he answers:  "No."  he must somehow explain away the 200 talents, the debt remission, and the treatment of Fufidius. Hence the rhetorical question functions as a disguised assertion. A Speranzian reconstruction: CICERO  Nonne fecisti? "Did you not do it?"  PISO  "Am I actually being asked?"  CICERO  "Not really."  GRICE  "The maxim of Quantity is doing all the work here."  Because Cicero supplies exactly enough facts that the audience can draw the conclusion for themselves without his having to utter the verdict explicitly. It's one of the most Gricean moments in forensic rhetoric: the speaker asks for an answer he neither expects nor wants; the question is merely the vehicle for a communicated accusation. Yes. The Cicero–Fufidius case can be sharpened exactly as you suggest, and the key is to keep separate what Cicero explicitly says from what his audience is meant to infer. Cicero’s sentence, as quoted, gives Tullius one piece of explicit evidence for the bribe: Nonne, cum CC talenta tibi Apolloniatae Romae dedissent ne pecunias creditas solverent, ultro Fufidium, equitem Romanum, hominem ornatissimum, creditorem debitoribus suis addixisti? “Did you not, when the Apolloniates had given you two hundred talents at Rome so that they might not pay the money they owed, actually hand over Fufidius, a Roman knight, a most distinguished man, the creditor, to his own debtors?” What matters is that the bribe is not something Piso can be imagined as having volunteered to Cicero. Piso did not communicate it. The Apolloniates did not communicate it. Yet Cicero has it, and he has it strongly enough to build a nonne-question around it. Therefore Tullius must be relying on some independent evidential channel, call it Evidence A. Evidence A is whatever made the payment of the two hundred talents available to Cicero before the speech: informants, documents, testimony, provincial gossip hardened into usable forensic material, or some mixture of these. The exact channel is not supplied in the sentence, but the logic of the accusation requires it. The bribe cannot be inferred from Fufidius alone; it is one of the premises that makes the Fufidius arrangement look corrupt. Fufidius is therefore caught in the middle of an evidential structure, not necessarily in the middle of criminal agency. Cicero’s charge is not simply: Fufidius bribed Piso. Nor even necessarily: Fufidius knew of the bribe. The charge is: Piso, having accepted money from the Apolloniates so that they should not pay their debts, then did the grotesque further thing of handing over Fufidius, their creditor, to those very debtors. Fufidius functions as the Roman victim or exhibit, the respectable eques whose position lets Cicero dramatise the inversion. The phrase creditorem debitoribus suis addixisti is deliberately violent. Fufidius is creditor; the Apolloniates are debtors-no-more only by Piso’s corrupt intervention. Normally the debtors are answerable to the creditor. Cicero presents Piso as reversing that relation: the creditor is “adjudged,” “assigned,” almost “made over” to his own debtors. That is why “creditor to debtors-no-more” feels strange. It should feel strange. The debt relation has not disappeared morally or rhetorically; it has been politically neutralised by bribery. The Apolloniates are still debtors in the logic of justice, but debtors relieved by Piso in the logic of corruption. Fufidius remains creditor in title, but Piso’s action makes that title humiliatingly useless. So the Grice/Speranza point would be this: Cicero’s nonne does two things at once. It asserts the corruption while pretending to ask about it, and it depends on a missing evidential background while making that background sound already settled. Evidence A supplies the bribe; Fufidius supplies the scandalous inversion; addixisti supplies the legal-moral sting. Cicero need not say turpe. He has arranged the facts so that the audience supplies it.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fufio – Ossia: Grice e Fufio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fufio. The Fufii are a family at ancient Rome. This gens has been frequently confounded, both in manuscripts and by the earlier scholars, with a Fusia gens, which did not exist, at least during the latter period of the Republic, and is only the ancient form of the name of the Furia gens. The F. do not occur in history until the seventh century of the city. The surname Calenus borne by some of this family is probably derived from the town of Cales in Campania. It is not improbable that the whole Fufia gens originally came from Campania. The F. are known to have used the praenomina Gaius, Quintus, Lucius, and Marcus. The only cognomens of the F. are Calenus and Geminus. The former is probably derived from Cales, a municipium in Campania, but whether the name merely indicated the origin of the family, or whether the first who bore it derived it from having conquered the town of Cales is uncertain, though the latter is the more profitable supposition. The name occurs on a coin of the Fufia gens. Geminus is a common surname meaning "twin." Fufii Caleni Gaius F. Calenus, grandfather of the tribune. Quintus F. C. f. Calenus is mentioned by TULLIO Cicero only as one who thought that Scipio Nasica Serapio was the greatest man in the Republic, because he had delivered the state from the obnoxious Tiberius Gracchus. From this sentiment, it may be inferred that F. occupied a considerable portion of the public land. Quintus F. Q. f. C. n. Calenus, tribune of the plebs in BC 61, protected Publius Clodius Pulcher from a trial by special judges, after Clodius had violated the mysteries of the Bona Dea. He was one of GIULIO Caesar's generals during the Civil War, was consul in 47 BC, and after Caesar's murder joined the party of Marcus Antonius. (Fufia) Q. f. Q. n., daughter of the consul Quintus Calenus, and wife of the consul Gaius Pansa.[4] Lucius F. Calenus, mentioned by Tullio Cicero as one of the witnesses against Verres.[5] Fufii Gemini F. Geminus, one of the generals of Octavian, who after subduing the Pannonians in 35 BC, left F. in charge of Pannonia. F. successfully quelled a revolt of the Pannonians after several battles.[6] Gaius F. Geminus, perhaps the son or nephew of Octavian's general, was consul suffectus in 2 BC. Gaius F. C. f. Geminus was consul in AD 29.[7] Others Lucius F., an orator, and contemporary of TULLIO Cicero.[8] Gaius F., an eques mentioned by TULLIO Cicero, but otherwise unknown.[9] Marcus F., an eques mentioned by TULLIO Cicero, but otherwise unknown.[9] Marcus F., a friend of Titus Annius Milo, who was accompanied by him at the time of the murder of Publius Clodius Pulcher.[10] Quintus F., an intimate friend of TULLIO Cicero, who recommended him in BC 50 to Gaius Mummius.[11] Quintus F., an eques mentioned by TULLIO Cicero, but otherwise unknown.[12] Gaius F,, a modeller, whose name is known by a statue in burnt clay, discovered near Perugia. It is two feet high, representing a household god, covered with a dog-skin, and has on its base the inscription, "C. Fufius Finxit." See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, Editor.  Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum v. p. 220 ff.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Philippicae viii. 4.  Ronald Syme, The Roman Revolution, Oxford: Clarendon Press (1939), pp. 133–134  Marcus Tullius Cicero, In Verrem ii. 8.  Lucius Cassius Dio, Roman History xlix. 36.  Publius Cornelius Tacitus, Annales v. 1.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, De Oratore i. 39, ii. 22, iii. 13; De Officiis ii. 14; Brutus 62.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Pro Flacco 20.  Quintus Asconius Pedianus, in Cic. Milon. p. 33 ed. Orelli.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares xiii. 3.  Marcus Tullius Cicero, Philippicae ii. 16.  Johann Joachim Winckelmann, Nachrichten von den neuesten Herculanischen Entdeckungen § 20, Fea's note.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Categories: FufiiRoman gentes For this gens below, two entries (I) one for the utterer about "Scipio" and compare with Grice saying "Heidegger is the greatest living philosopher" --what were public lands in Rome (II) the statue and the finxit. That is third person. The Greeks prefer, "X made me"? Thanks –

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fufio – Ossia: Grice e Fufio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fufio. Yes. For the Fufii entry, two separate notices are the cleanest way to prevent the two quite different “utterer” problems from blurring into one another. The first is the Quintus Fufius Calenus noticed by Cicero in the Philippics, as one who held Scipio Nasica Serapio to be the greatest man in the republic because he had removed Tiberius Gracchus. The point is not merely prosopographical. It is conversationally diagnostic. To say “Scipio was the greatest man in the state” is not, in that setting, a bland historical ranking. It is a party-utterance. It carries with it an entire view about Tiberius Gracchus, popular politics, senatorial violence, and the defence of property. That is why the antiquarian inference about Fufius occupying much public land is intelligible, even if it must be handled cautiously. Public land in Rome, ager publicus, was land belonging to the Roman state, often acquired through conquest, and in practice frequently occupied, leased, exploited, or treated almost as private possession by powerful citizens beyond the limits supposedly allowed. Tiberius Gracchus’s agrarian agitation threatened precisely such holdings. So if Fufius praises Nasica as maximus vir rei publicae because he destroyed Gracchus, the hearer is entitled to suspect that Fufius had something to lose from Gracchan reform. The explicit utterance is praise of Scipio; the implicated self-disclosure is interest in the old landed order. This is where the Grice comparison with “Heidegger is the greatest living philosopher” works nicely. The sentence looks like a philosophical ranking, but in the right mouth and setting it can mean much more: not merely “I have assessed Heidegger highly,” but “I belong, or wish to be heard as belonging, to a certain philosophical alignment.” Likewise, Fufius’s “Scipio was the greatest man” is less an innocent compliment than a password. It says: I know which side of the Gracchan wound I stand on. Speranza would put it dryly: Fufius did not need to add, “and I have no wish to see my occupation of public land audited.” Cicero’s audience could do that part for him. And for the first Fufio can you provide a Latin conversation where the implicature is marked +>, in English only, with a that-clause following (He meant that p). Otherwise the conversation in Latin, with Fufio as utterer -- and then for the other Fufio, a conversation of Fufio with his son, and son asking, what are you doing -- and explaining the 'signature' and again marking some impicature in English only? Thanks For Quintus Fufius Calenus, the little Latin scene may be made deliberately over-neat, since the whole point is that a political compliment is never merely a compliment. Interlocutor: “Quem virum maximum in re publica fuisse putas?” Translation: “Whom do you think to have been the greatest man in the republic?” Fufius: “Scipionem Nasicam.” Translation: “Scipio Nasica.” +> He meant that Nasica’s killing or removal of Tiberius Gracchus counted as a saving act for the republic. Interlocutor: “Cur illum potissimum?” Translation: “Why him especially?” Fufius: “Quia rem publicam a Gracchi peste liberavit.” Translation: “Because he freed the republic from the plague of Gracchus.” +> He meant that the Gracchan agrarian programme was not reform but danger. Interlocutor: “An etiam ager publicus tibi aliquid suadet?” Translation: “Does the public land perhaps also suggest something to you?” Fufius: “Qui rem publicam diligit, agrum publicum non tumultui tradit.” Translation: “He who loves the republic does not hand public land over to disturbance.” +> He meant that existing occupation of public land by men like himself should not be disturbed. Interlocutor: “Ergo laus Scipionis de agro quoque loquitur?” Translation: “So your praise of Scipio speaks about land too?” Fufius: “Laus boni civis multa tacet.” Translation: “The praise of a good citizen leaves many things unsaid.” +> He meant that his political praise also disclosed his material interest, though he need not avow it. That is the Gricean case. “Scipio was the greatest man in the republic” looks like an evaluation of Scipio; in context it is also self-placement. It is not far from Grice’s “Heidegger is the greatest living philosopher,” where the sentence, if uttered in the right academic weather, does not merely rank Heidegger but locates the utterer among a party of philosophical allegiance. Fufius’s utterance says Scipio; it means that Gracchus was the enemy; and it further means that the old arrangements of the ager publicus had better not be reopened.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fufio – Ossia: Grice e Fufio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fufio. The second notice is the Gaius Fufius whose name survives on the terracotta statue from near Perugia, with the inscription “C. Fufius finxit.” Here the utterer is more elusive, because the inscription speaks in the third person. It says, in effect, “Gaius Fufius made/modelled this.” Finxit is from fingere, to shape, fashion, mould, model, devise; in this context it means “made” or more specifically “modelled” in clay. It is beautifully apt for a figure in burnt clay because it retains the hand-and-material sense of shaping. The maker is named, but the object does not speak as “me.” It is a report about the maker rather than an utterance by the statue. That is why your Greek comparison is exactly right. Greek artisans’ inscriptions often enjoy the first-person object formula: “X made me,” as in “so-and-so epoiesen me.” The object becomes the speaker, and the maker is embedded inside the object’s fictional voice. Latin C. Fufius finxit is more sober, less theatrical: “Gaius Fufius made/modelled [it].” The Greek formula stages the artifact as an addressor; the Latin formula records the craftsman as agent. In Gricean terms, the Greek “X made me” gives the object a represented speaker and asks the viewer to accept a little fiction of uptake. The Latin “C. Fufius finxit” keeps the utterance epigraphic and third-personal, more like a label than a dramatic self-presentation. So the two Fufii entries would contrast nicely. In the Scipio case, the human utterance means more than it says because political alignment and landed interest are recoverable from praise. In the statue case, the inscription says almost exactly what it means, but its grammatical person matters: the artifact does not say “Fufius made me”; the inscription says “Fufius made/modelled it.” One Fufius gives a partisan implicature; the other gives an artisan signature. The first is political uptake; the second is epigraphic authorship. For Gaius Fufius the modeller, the scene is quieter, because the implicature is not senatorial but epigraphic. Fufius filius: “Pater, quid facis?” Translation: “Father, what are you doing?” Fufius: “Lararium fingo.” Translation: “I am modelling a household god.” +> He meant that the work is not merely clay-work but pious domestic art. Filius: “Cur nomen tuum in basi ponis?” Translation: “Why are you putting your name on the base?” Fufius: “Ut legatur: C. Fufius finxit.” Translation: “So that it may be read: Gaius Fufius made it.” +> He meant that the inscription is a signature and a claim of workmanship. Filius: “Cur non scribis: ‘Fufius me fecit’?” Translation: “Why do you not write: ‘Fufius made me’?” Fufius: “Graeci saepe rem loqui iubent; Romanus fabrum satis ostendit.” Translation: “The Greeks often bid the object speak; a Roman sufficiently shows the craftsman.” +> He meant that the Latin third-person signature is less dramatic than the Greek first-person object formula, and that this sobriety is itself a style. Filius: “Ergo statua non loquitur?” Translation: “So the statue does not speak?” Fufius: “Loquitur satis, si nomen artificis servat.” Translation: “It speaks enough if it preserves the name of the craftsman.” +> He meant that the statue’s communicative force lies not in a fictional first-person voice but in the durable public record of authorship. The contrast is neat. The Greek “X made me” turns the object into the utterer; the Latin C. Fufius finxit leaves the inscription in the third person and makes the maker the grammatical subject. The Greek object performs a little drama of self-report. The Latin base behaves more like a sober label: not “I speak,” but “he made.” Grice would enjoy the difference because in both cases the artifact communicates, but the represented speaker changes. In the Greek case, the pot or statue is made to say that X made it. In the Fufius case, the inscription says that Fufius made it. Same craft, different conversational fiction.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fufizio – Ossia: Grice e Fufizio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fufizio. The Fufizi are a family at ancient Rome with the nomen Fuficius. It never achieved great prominence, and is best known for a single individual, Gaius F. Fango or Phango, the Roman governor of Numidia in 40 BC, whom Giulio Caesar had previously appointed to the senate. Other F. are known from various inscriptions, indicating that many of them were soldiers, but a Quintus F. Cornutus was consul suffectus. Little is known about this gens, although it may have been Umbrian, as some early appearances of the name are found in Umbria. The nomen is frequently confused with that of the better-known Fufia gens.  The most common praenomina of the F. appear to have been Marcus and Quintus; but there are also examples of Publius, Gaius, Aulus, Titus, and Sextus.  There is little evidence indicating whether the F. were ever divided into distinct branches. In addition to Fango or Phango, a number of surnames are found in inscriptions, including Certus, Cornutus, Eros, Felix, Fuscus, Januarius, Lybicus, Marcellus, Priscus, Quietus, Rufinus, Tertullinus, and Zethus.  Fuficia, found in a Spanish inscription. Publius F., an architect. Publius F., a soldier buried at Aquileia. Quintus F., brother of the soldier buried at Aquileia. Quintus F., father of the Quintus mentioned at Puteoli. Quintus F. Q. f., found in an inscription at Puteoli. Gaius F., father of the soldier at Burnum. Titus F. C. f., a soldier at Burnum. Titus F. T. l., a freedman. Aulus F. Certhus, found in an inscription at Pompeii. Quintus F. Cornutus, consul suffectus. Marcus F. Eros. Gaius F. Fango, governor of Numidia. Publius F. Felix, dedicated a monument. Marcus F. Fuscus, found in an inscription at Pompeii. Fuficia Germana, a freedwoman. F. Januarius, found in an inscription at Pompeii. Marcus F. Marcellus, father of Marcus. Marcus F. M. f. Marcellus. Fuficia Marcellina. Marcus F. Lybicus, found in a Spanish inscription. Fuficia Prima, freedwoman of Titus. Fuficia Prisca, freedwoman of Gaia. Lucius F. Priscus, found in an Umbrian inscription. Marcus F. Quietus, found in a Spanish inscription. Marcus F. Rufinus, found in a Spanish inscription. Sextus F. Tertullinus. Aulus F. Zethus, a freedman. See also List of Roman gentes References  Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus, Roman History xl.viii. 22-24.  Appianus, Bellum Civile v. 26.  This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Smith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)  Category: Roman gentes For this gens, the architect. Would the inscription read: "architectus". For such a common profession, how come, Varro would ask, that no Latinate title was found -- constructor? Architectos seems very Hellenistic and the etymology is a bit complicated isn't it? We can imagine a dialogue between the architect and his son with Dad explaining Son what his activity is all about -- perhaps you can find more about what building this F. did build. Thanks –

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fufizio – Ossia: Grice e Fufizio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fufizio. Speranza would begin, one suspects, by disappointing Varro. The inscriptional title, if the gens-entry’s “Publius Fuficius, an architect” rests on an inscription rather than on Vitruvian literary testimony, would very probably use architectus, or an abbreviated form such as architect., rather than some proudly native constructor. That is not because Rome lacked builders, contractors, masons, engineers, surveyors, foremen, or men who could make a wall stand up. It is because architectus had become the professional title for the learned designer or master-builder, and the Romans had no embarrassment about borrowing the Greek term when the Greek term carried the right cultural and technical dignity. There is a useful distinction here. Constructor is perfectly Latinate in feel, and construere is good Latin, but constructor would mean more like “builder,” “one who puts together,” not necessarily the trained theorist or designer whom Vitruvius wants under architectus. A faber builds or makes; a caementarius works in rubble or masonry; a structor builds or piles up; a redemptor may contract for the job; a mensor measures; an agrimensor surveys land. None of these quite says what architectus says once the Greek profession has entered Roman technical speech. Varro might grumble that Latin can make its own words, and then immediately write a learned etymology proving too much. Vitruvius, more practically, uses architectus because the office itself comes with Greek intellectual furniture. The etymology is indeed a little more complicated than “chief builder,” though that is the usual convenient gloss. Greek architekton is formed from archi-, chief, ruling, principal, and tekton, carpenter, builder, craftsman. But tekton itself is not just “builder” in the modern narrow sense; it reaches into the world of making, carpentry, joinery, and skilled constructive craft. The architect is therefore not originally just the man who draws plans in an office, still less the man who merely pays the contractor. He is the master of construction, the one whose command of design, proportion, materials, order, and execution makes the work intelligible as a whole. When Latin takes architectus, it takes not merely a foreign word but a Greek social valuation of technical intelligence. On the specific Publius Fuficius in the gens-list, however, I would be cautious. The public summaries I can readily find mention Publius Fuficius as “an architect,” but they do not expose the inscriptional text or the building he built. The separate “Fuficius” known from Vitruvius is not necessarily this Publius Fuficius. Vitruvius says that Fuficius was the oldest Roman author of a now-lost one-volume work on architecture, and places him among the very few Roman predecessors in architectural writing. That is a literary Fuficius, not securely an inscriptional Publius Fuficius with a known building. The temptation to merge them is obvious; the evidence, at least from the accessible summaries, does not yet let one do it safely. So the honest position is: we may have a Publius Fuficius called an architect in epigraphic tradition, and we have a Fuficius mentioned by Vitruvius as an early Roman writer on architecture, but the actual structure built by Publius Fuficius is not presently recoverable from the summary before us. A dialogue with the son might go as follows. Filius: “Pater, quid facis?” Translation: “Father, what are you doing?” Fuficius: “Non parietem tantum struo; aedificium mente prius pono.” Translation: “I am not merely putting up a wall; I first set the building in the mind.” Implicature: He is distinguishing architectus from mere manual builder. The work begins as design, order, and ratio before it becomes stone. Filius: “Cur igitur te architectum vocant, non structorem?” Translation: “Why then do they call you architectus, not structor?” Fuficius: “Structor lapides componit; architectus opus totum regit.” Translation: “The builder arranges the stones; the architect governs the whole work.” Implicature: Architectus marks command over the project as a rational whole, not merely participation in construction. Filius: “Nomen Graecum est.” Translation: “It is a Greek name.” Fuficius: “Est; sed ratio, cum bene venit, peregrina esse desinit.” Translation: “It is; but reason, when it comes well, ceases to be foreign.” Implicature: Borrowing the Greek professional term is justified because the art itself has become Roman by use, mastery, and application. Filius: “Varro diceret Latinum nomen quaerendum esse.” Translation: “Varro would say that a Latin name ought to be sought.” Fuficius: “Varro nomina quaerat; ego columnas stare cogam.” Translation: “Let Varro hunt for names; I shall make the columns stand.” Implicature: The etymologist’s anxiety is gently subordinated to technical success. A Latinate title is less important than a sound building. Filius: “Ergo quid est architectus?” Translation: “So what is an architect?” Fuficius: “Is qui prius intellegit quid domus futura sit, quam ceteri ubi lapidem ponant.” Translation: “He is the one who understands what the future house is to be before the others know where to put a stone.” Implicature: Architecture is anticipatory understanding. The architect means the building before the workmen execute it. Filius: “Tum aedificium loquitur?” Translation: “Then does the building speak?” Fuficius: “Si bene factum est, non clamat nomen meum; ostendit consilium.” Translation: “If it is well made, it does not shout my name; it shows the plan.” Implicature: The proper signature of the architect is not necessarily inscriptional vanity but intelligible order embodied in the work. Grice and Speranza would like the last move. The architect’s meaning is not simply the word architectus on the stone. It is the recognisable plan in the structure. A wall may stand without meaning much; a building, if properly designed, lets the competent spectator recover intention, order, proportion, and use. That is why architectus is a good Hellenism. It names not the man who merely constructs, but the man whose thought is recoverable in what has been constructed. The dry Varro joke, then, is that Rome did have Latinate ways to say “builder,” but the imported title was needed for the higher implicature. Constructor says that something was put together. Architectus says that someone knew how the whole thing was to be put together before the parts obeyed. And since the info comes from the wiki entry for this gens, can you double check the corresponding note. Given the sloppy way wiki usually works, most likely Grice and Speranza think, the reference is to Vitruvius, and perhaps the online version shows the hyperlink to it? Thanks -- in which case, can you now give a dialogue with Vitruvius as speaker in the conversation talking about F.? Again, the implicatures signalled after usually the last utterance in the dialogue. Thanks Yes. The wiki trail almost certainly collapses two things that should be kept apart. The “Publius Fuficius, an architect” in the gens-entry looks epigraphic or prosopographical, but the better-known “Fuficius” of architectural history is the one mentioned by Vitruvius as an earlier Roman writer on architecture. The online article on Fuficius as architect says just that: Fuficius is known because Vitruvius mentions him in De architectura, and according to Vitruvius he published the first Roman book on architecture. It also notes the speculative suggestion that this Fuficius might be identical with Quintus Fufius Calenus, but that is only a suggestion, not something to build the house on, if the architect will forgive the metaphor. Fuficius (architect) [en.wikipedia.org] So the caution is necessary. We should not say that Publius Fuficius built a known building unless the inscription actually says so. What we can say more safely is this: Vitruvius preserves the name Fuficius as an early Roman architectural writer, not as the builder of some securely identified surviving structure. Vitruvius himself is, of course, the author of De architectura, the only complete ancient architectural treatise to survive, and he says enough about his discipline to make the title architectus fully technical rather than merely decorative. Vitruvius [britannica.com] A Vitruvian dialogue, then, should keep Fuficius as textual predecessor rather than recovered contractor. Vitruvius: “Fuficius ante nos de architectura scripsit.” Translation: “Fuficius wrote on architecture before us.” Fuficius: “Nonne satis est aedificare?” Translation: “Is it not enough to build?” Vitruvius: “Non satis. Aliud est facere, aliud artem facere loqui.” Translation: “Not enough. It is one thing to make; another to make the art speak.” +> He meant that architecture becomes a disciplina when its practice is made explicit in writing. Fuficius: “Ergo architectus non solum parietes curat?” Translation: “So the architect does not care only for walls?” Vitruvius: “Architectus rationem operis tenet: firmitatem, utilitatem, venustatem.” Translation: “The architect holds the reasoned account of the work: firmness, usefulness, beauty.” +> He meant that architectus names a learned designer or master of the whole art, not merely a constructor or manual builder. Fuficius: “Nomen ipsum Graecum est; Romanus tamen opus facit.” Translation: “The name itself is Greek; yet the Roman does the work.” Vitruvius: “Graecum nomen accepimus, sed disciplinam Romanis operibus probamus.” Translation: “We have accepted a Greek name, but we prove the discipline by Roman works.” +> He meant that the Hellenistic title architectus is not servile borrowing; it is a useful technical name naturalised by Roman practice. Fuficius: “Quid igitur de me dices?” Translation: “What then will you say of me?” Vitruvius: “Te inter paucos ponam qui Latine de hac arte scripserunt.” Translation: “I shall place you among the few who wrote in Latin about this art.” +> He meant that Fuficius matters less as a builder of an identifiable building than as a Roman who helped turn building into an articulated Latin discipline. Grice/Speranza would like the fact that Fuficius survives not by a building but by a mention. The architect becomes, as it were, an implicature inside Vitruvius’s preface. Vitruvius says Fuficius wrote; the later reader is meant to gather that Roman architecture had a pre-Vitruvian textual history, thin but not nonexistent. That is more interesting than the wiki’s tidy “architect,” because it gives us not a structure but a transmission. The question is no longer, “Which temple did Fuficius build?” but “What did it mean for a Roman before Vitruvius to write architecture?” Varro would indeed grumble about architectus. For such a common social necessity as building, why import a Greek title? Why not structor, aedificator, constructor, faber, or something with a respectable Latin smell? Vitruvius’s answer is implicit: because none of those quite names the thing. A structor builds; a faber makes; a redemptor contracts; an aedificator may put up buildings. But architectus, from Greek architekton, carries the sense of the chief or ruling craftsman, the one who commands the whole ratio of the work. The etymology is not just “builder” with a hat on. Tekton belongs to skilled making, carpentry, construction; archi- gives primacy or command. The architect is therefore the master of ordered making. So a second, more domestic dialogue may be allowed. Fuficius filius: “Pater, quid est architectus?” Translation: “Father, what is an architect?” Fuficius: “Is qui prius videt totum opus quam ceteri primum lapidem ponant.” Translation: “The one who sees the whole work before the others place the first stone.” +> He meant that the architect’s activity is not manual sequence but anticipatory design. Filius: “Cur non dicimus structorem?” Translation: “Why do we not say builder?” Fuficius: “Structor partem ponit; architectus ordinem partium providet.” Translation: “The builder places a part; the architect foresees the order of the parts.” +> He meant that the Greek title marks command over relations, proportions, and purpose, not mere labour. Filius: “Varro nomen Latinum quaereret.” Translation: “Varro would look for a Latin name.” Fuficius: “Varro verba quaerat; ego cavebo ne tectum cadat.” Translation: “Let Varro look for words; I shall see that the roof does not fall.” +> He meant that etymological purity is less urgent than technical competence, though the joke works only because the borrowed word still irritates Roman linguistic pride. Filius: “Quid igitur aedificas?” Translation: “What, then, are you building?” Fuficius: “Fortasse nihil quod posteri ostendant; sed librum, si Vitruvius meminit, satis durabilem.” Translation: “Perhaps nothing that posterity will point to; but a book, if Vitruvius remembers it, durable enough.” +> He meant that textual survival may outlast stone survival, and that Fuficius’s real monument is Vitruvius’s acknowledgement. That is the safer Speranzian line. If the gens-entry says “Publius Fuficius, an architect,” the note may be epigraphic, but the famous architectural Fuficius is Vitruvian. Until the inscription is produced, one should not make Publius build what only Vitruvius lets Fuficius write. And why would you think that someone (the wiki editor?) thinks that this Fulficius may be a Fufius? You are right that 'He is an architect' as uttered by Vitruvius would not mean 'Fulficius was one' -- F. notably wrote the first treatise on architecture. It would be like saying that Thales of Miletus (the first philosopher) wrote the first history of philosophy -- rather than the more corrrect "The first to philosophise" with "first architect" as being "The first who wrote a building" (difficult to prove). Thanks Yes — the suspicion is not that “Fuficius” naturally becomes “Fufius” by good philology, but that a modern compiler, facing a thinly attested name and a better-known neighbouring gens, may have been tempted by proximity, misreading, or over-zealous harmonising. The names are graphically and prosopographically close enough to invite a lazy identification, especially if the evidence is filtered through secondary lists rather than inscriptions or Vitruvius directly. But that is exactly why Grice and Speranza would refuse the slide. A nomen is not a conversational convenience. Fuficius is not Fufius merely because the archive is untidy. On the architect point, your correction is the important one. If Vitruvius says that Fuficius wrote on architecture, that does not license the stronger or simpler proposition “Fuficius was an architect,” at least not without further evidence. The utterance “he is an architect,” if put into Vitruvius’s mouth, would itself already be a modernising compression. The safer claim is: Fuficius was, for Vitruvius, an early Roman writer on architecture, perhaps the first to produce such a Latin treatise. That is not the same as saying that he was the first architect, or even a practicing architect whose building can be named. The Thales analogy is exactly right. To say that Thales is “the first philosopher” is already a shorthand, and a dangerous one; but it would be still stranger to say that Thales wrote the first history of philosophy. Likewise, Fuficius may stand near the beginning of Roman architectural writing without standing at the beginning of Roman architecture. Rome had builders, surveyors, contractors, engineers, temple-makers, wall-makers, aqueduct-makers, and every practical species of construction long before any surviving name was made into a literary “first.” What Vitruvius gives us is not the first man who built, but one of the first men who wrote the art of building into a Roman textual form. That is where “the first who wrote a building” becomes a splendidly awkward Speranzian phrase. It is not quite literal, but it catches the point. Fuficius is not necessarily the first architect; he is the first, or among the first, to convert architecture into authored discourse. He does not found construction. He helps found architecture as something that can be read, cited, remembered, and placed in a genealogy of technical writing. Vitruvius needs such predecessors because his own De architectura is not merely a manual; it is also an attempt to dignify architectura as disciplina. So the Grice/Speranza distinction would be: Vitruvius says, or allows us to infer, that Fuficius wrote on architecture. +> He meant that Roman architectural theory had a textual prehistory before Vitruvius. He did not thereby say: Fuficius built the first Roman building. Nor even necessarily: Fuficius was professionally an architect in the inscriptional sense architectus. The wiki-style “Publius Fuficius, an architect” may therefore be an over-helpful compression. It turns a textual status into an occupational identity. Sometimes that may be harmless. Here it matters, because the whole interest lies in the difference between the builder, the architectus, and the author of architectural doctrine. Varro might ask why Romans had no plain native title; Vitruvius would answer by using the Greek one; Speranza would notice that the deeper problem is not the borrowed title but the passage from doing to writing. A dry formulation might be: Fuficius did not invent buildings. Nor, so far as the evidence safely shows, did he leave us one. He left something more irritating to the historian and more useful to Vitruvius: a place in a list of those who had written about how buildings are to be thought. That is why calling him “an architect” is both tempting and too quick. The better phrase is not “the first architect,” but “an early Roman writer of architecture.” If one wants the Gricean version: he did not build Rome; he helped make “building” something that could mean in Latin. Another awkwakrd Grice/Speranza: "the first who built a building." Surely Vitrivius is not saying or implicating that -- F. is the author of the earliest exant text on architecture on Roman moulds that Vitruvius encountered. Hence the point by Grice and Speranza that evdience about 'the first' is difficult: 'the first architect' would sound odd even to try to identify even in Rome -- or Italy. In Rome perhaps not so -- because we know that the so-called 'wall' was actually a ditch and the harvest attached to it. The temple where Romolo dedicates the thing to Ferrarius was most likely just the designated sacred space, not a temple. But historians of Rome may be able to testify what the oldest building in Rome was said to be --- without thereby identifying 'Jack -- this is the house that Jack built it -- this is the house that lies in the plot" how does that nursery go? Thanks Yes, that is exactly the right awkwardness. “The first who built a building” is the sort of phrase that usefully breaks as soon as it is touched. Vitruvius is not saying that, and it would be foolish to make him say it by implicature. Fuficius is not “the first architect” in the strong historical sense, still less the first man at Rome, Italy, Latium, or anywhere tolerably dry, to put one material upon another and thereby produce a shelter. The safer and better claim is that he is, for Vitruvius, among the earliest Roman authors of an extant or at least encountered text on architecture, or more precisely one of the earliest Roman predecessors whom Vitruvius knew as having written on the discipline. That is already difficult enough. Evidence about “the first” is always treacherous, because the first surviving witness is rarely the first occurrence of the thing. The first named writer on architecture is not the first architect; the first surviving architectural treatise is not the first reflection on building; the first monumental building is not the first built place; and the first “wall” in Rome may be a ditch, embankment, boundary, ritual line, or later patriotic over-description. Speranza would enjoy the discomfort, because it shows how quickly a tidy sentence becomes a nursery rhyme with missing masonry. The Romulean examples make the point nicely. If the so-called wall is really closer to ditch, furrow, mound, or defensive trace, then “builder” is already a dangerous title. If the earliest shrine to Jupiter Feretrius, associated with Romulus, was originally less a temple in the later architectural sense than a designated sacred space, hut-like shrine, or cult-place, then “the first temple” is also an over-helpful phrase. We may have a place where a god is ritually located before we have a building in the grand Vitruvian sense. A historian can say what Rome later said was oldest; that is not the same as identifying the first architect, still less Jack, as the one who built it. On the “oldest building in Rome,” the traditional candidates are usually not very cooperative. The hut of Romulus on the Palatine, the casa Romuli, was remembered, preserved, repaired, and shown as an archaic relic; but it is a hut of tradition, cult, and memory rather than a recoverable named architectural project. The temple of Jupiter Feretrius is also traditionally very early, connected with Romulus and the spolia opima; but again, its earliest form was likely extremely modest if it existed in the form later imagined. The Regia, the Curia, early shrines, and hut settlements on the Palatine all enter the discussion, but none gives us the sort of sentence the modern literalist wants: “This is the first Roman building, and this is the architect.” So the Grice/Speranza formula should be something like this: Vitruvius does not mean that Fuficius first built a building; he means, if the report is taken carefully, that Fuficius stands near the beginning of Roman architectural writing. He is not “the first architect” but an early writer of architectura. He did not necessarily build the first Roman building; he helped, or was remembered by Vitruvius as helping, to make building writable in Latin. The nursery rhyme you are reaching for is “This Is the House That Jack Built.” Its opening chain goes, in one common version: This is the house that Jack built. This is the malt that lay in the hou...

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fulcinio – Ossia: Grice e Fulcinio – Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fulcinio. The F. are a family at ancient Rome. The first of this name to appear in history is Gaius F., one of the ambassadors to Fidenae. After this, no F. is mentioned until the time of Tullio Cicero. Several F. are known from the first century BC, although it is not clear whether or how they were related to the ambassador. F. belongs to a class of gentilicia formed from cognomina ending in the diminutive suffix -inus. The root, Fulcina, seems to be related to the Latin fulcire, "to support", "maintain", or "prop up". The chief praenomina of the Fulcinii were Gaius, Marcus, and Lucius, all of which were amongst the most common names throughout Roman history.  Gaius F., one of the four ambassadors sent to Fidenae to learn the reasons for that city's revolt. Lars Tolumnius, the king of Veii, who had encouraged the revolt, advised the Fidenates to put the ambassadors to death. F. and his colleagues were subsequently honoured with statues on the Rostra. Marcus F., a native of Tarquinii in Etruria, was a successful banker at Rome, whom Tullio Cicero described as eminently respectable.[7] Marcus F. M. f., son of the banker Marcus, died young.[7] Marcus F., a freedman of the banker Marcus F..[7] Lucius F., a quaestor serving under Quintus Caecilius Metellus Macedonicus in Macedonia, is named on Macedonian coins.[8][9] Gaius F., the father of Lucius, who charged Marcus Saufeius with murder.[10] Lucius F. C. f., brought a charge of murder against Marcus Saufeius.[10] Lucius F. Trio, consul in AD 31, and an ally of Sejanus, whose downfall occurred that year. An infamous delator, he had accused Lucius Scribonius Libo, the consul, and accused Gnaeus Calpurnius Piso of having poisoned Germanicus. For a time, F. avoided the fate of Sejanus by prosecuting his accomplices, but he was likewise accused and imprisoned, escaping condemnation by taking his own life. F.'s will excoriated Tiberius, Macro, and several of the emperor's freedmen. Marcus F., the father of Gaius F., a magistrate of Cartenna, was perhaps the first to migrate to Mauretania.[13] Gaius F. M. f. Quirinius Optatus, a magistrate of Cartenna, and flamen of the imperial cult, played a role in the defense of the city during the second century.[13] Gaius F. C. f. M. n. Optatus, the son of Quirinius Optatus, was a member of the equestrian order.[13] Gaius F. C. f. C. n. Fabius Maximus Optatus, son of the eques Optatus, and grandson of Quirinius, was a Roman senator, and governor of Hispania Baetica in the late second century.[13] See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, pp. 186, 187 ("Fulcinia Gens").  Chase, p. 126.  New College Latin & English Dictionary, s.v. fulcio.  Livy, iv. 17.  Cicero, Philippicae, ix. 2.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 58.  Cicero, Pro Caecina 4, 6.  Eckhel, vol. v. p. 221.  Broughton, vol. I, p. 461.  Asconius Pedianus, In Ciceronis Pro Milone, p. 54.  Tacitus, Annales ii. 28, 30, iii. 10, 19, v. 11, vi. 4, 38.  Cassius Dio, lviii. 9, 25.  Ferguson, Africa in Classical Antiquity, p. 211. Bibliography Marcus Tullius Cicero, Philippicae, Pro Caecina. Titus Livius (Livy), History of Rome. Quintus Asconius Pedianus, Commentarius in Oratio Ciceronis Pro Milone (Commentary on Cicero's Oration Pro Milone). Publius Cornelius Tacitus, Annales. Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus (Cassius Dio), Roman History. Joseph Hilarius Eckhel, Doctrina Numorum Veterum (The Study of Ancient Coins, 1792–1798). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). George Davis Chase, "The Origin of Roman Praenomina", in Harvard Studies in Classical Philology, vol. VIII, pp. 103–184 (1897). T. Robert S. Broughton, The Magistrates of the Roman Republic, American Philological Association (1952–1986). John C. Traupman, The New College Latin & English Dictionary, Bantam Books, New York (1995). John Ferguson, Africa in Classical Antiquity: Nine Studies, University of Michigan (1969). Category: Roman gentes For this gens, we can have a reconstructed conversation about that ambassador that was killed. IT strikes Grice and Speranza that 'ambassador' is a trick of a word. Gaius F. and three more -- there's always more than one ambassaor, for safety reason -- three to spare -- we are not known who appointed. The Fidentates find these four men -- in what capacity -- what word would be used in Latin in those days. Surely Lars ordered the four to be killed, as meddlers. The later Rostra expiation is almost comical -- four men are sent to foreign land and Rome expects taht they'll come home safe and sound with all the news? Greek has angellos, but ambassador via Anglo-Norman is the 'legatus' of ancient Rome, why? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fulcinio – Ossia: Grice e Fulcinio – Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fulcinio. Yes. Fulcinius is a very good case for Grice and Speranza because the word “ambassador” is doing too much modern tidying. It makes the four men sound as if they were protected diplomats in the later international-law sense, with passports, immunity, and perhaps an anxious ministry waiting for a dispatch. In the early Roman setting, the more appropriate Latin word is legati, or perhaps missi if one wants the broader idea of men sent; Livy’s narrative normally treats such envoys as legati. They are “sent men,” commissioned representatives, not yet ambassadors in the modern permanent-embassy sense. “Ambassador” comes to English through Anglo-Norman and medieval diplomatic usage, but when translators use it for Rome they are usually rendering legatus. The Roman legatus is literally one chosen, commissioned, delegated, or sent with authority. The same word can later denote a military lieutenant, senatorial envoy, or imperial delegate. That semantic spread is already the joke. A legatus is not simply “a man who brings a message”; he carries the sender’s auctoritas into another community. Kill him, and you are not just killing a traveller. You are refusing the sending power as interlocutor. For the Fidenae episode, then, the four are best imagined as Roman legati sent to ask why Fidenae had revolted. Their appointing authority in the early narrative is not always our chief concern; the important Roman claim is that they bear Rome’s questioning voice. The Fidenates, under the influence or command of Lars Tolumnius of Veii, do not treat them as protected interlocutors but as meddlers, spies, or hostile political instruments. Tolumnius’ order, in Roman memory, converts failed diplomacy into sacrilege against legation. The later statues on the Rostra are indeed almost comic, but comic in the Roman expiatory way. Rome sends men out to ask a hostile city what it means by revolt, and then acts morally astonished that the hostile city has not preserved them for safe return with a full report. The Rostra then repairs the failed conversation by monumentalising it. The dead legati cannot bring back the answer; their statues become the answer. They say: “These men were sent as Rome’s voice, and Fidenae answered by murder.” A reconstructed conversation might go like this. Gaius Fulcinius: “Legati Romani sumus; causas defectionis audire missi.” Translation: “We are Roman envoys; we have been sent to hear the reasons for the revolt.” Implicature: Rome still treats Fidenae as a community capable of giving an account of itself. The mission assumes that revolt can still be placed inside a public exchange of reasons. Fidenas: “Audire, inquis? An explorare?” Translation: “To hear, you say? Or to spy?” Implicature: The Fidenate speaker rejects the Roman description of the visit. What Rome calls legation, Fidenae can redescribe as reconnaissance. Fulcinius: “Qui causas poscit, bellum moratur.” Translation: “He who asks for reasons delays war.” Implicature: The embassy presents itself as a last conversational interval before violence. Like Abronius’ mora, the envoy is a delay, but now a delay in war through speech rather than through battle. Lars Tolumnius: “Mora ipsa nocet; interficite.” Translation: “The delay itself is harmful; kill them.” Implicature: Tolumnius refuses the whole diplomatic frame. He treats the legati not as protected speakers but as dangerous interruptions in the logic of revolt. Fidenas: “Etiamne legatos?” Translation: “Even envoys?” Implicature: The hesitation acknowledges the Roman norm. Even in hostility, killing legati is understood as crossing a line. Tolumnius: “Legati Romani numquam soli veniunt; cum eis venit imperium.” Translation: “Roman envoys never come alone; with them comes command.” Implicature: Tolumnius identifies the real offence. The four men are not dangerous because they are four bodies, but because they carry Rome’s authority. To kill them is to reject that authority before it can become negotiation. Fulcinius: “Si nos occiditis, Roma ipsa audiet.” Translation: “If you kill us, Rome herself will hear.” Implicature: The murder will become a message. Silence imposed on the envoys will be converted into a louder Roman claim for vengeance. Fidenas: “Tacent mortui.” Translation: “The dead are silent.” Implicature: The Fidenates suppose that killing the messengers cancels the message. Fulcinius: “Non apud Romanos.” Translation: “Not among Romans.” Implicature: Roman memory, ritual, and public honour will make the dead speak. The later statues on the Rostra are already implicit in the line. Grice/Speranza analysis: the trick word is legatus. To the Romans, Fulcinius and his colleagues are commissioned bearers of a question; to the Fidenates, they may be meddlers or scouts; to Tolumnius, they are Rome’s imperium arriving in conversational costume. The dispute is therefore not merely over whether four men should live, but over what those four men count as. Rome says “envoys”; Tolumnius hears “advance agents of domination.” The killing is a violent refusal of Rome’s preferred description. The Greek angelos is useful by contrast. An angelos is a messenger, one who brings news or message. Legatus is heavier. He is not merely a message-carrier but a delegated representative. That is why “ambassador” renders legatus tolerably in later English, though it imports too much modern diplomatic upholstery. The ancient Roman legatus carries a message, yes, but also a relation of power. He is a human speech-act sent across a boundary. The Rostra statues then perform a second-order legation. The first legation failed: the men were killed and did not return with Fidenae’s answer. The commemorative statues turn failure into permanent public meaning. They no longer ask Fidenae, “why did you revolt?” They tell Rome, “this is what Fidenae did to men sent under the protection of public speech.” In Gricean terms, the original conversational exchange is broken; the monument supplies the implicature. The dead ambassadors mean that Rome’s demand for an account has been answered by outrage. Speranza’s dry formulation might be this. Rome sent four legati, which translators call ambassadors because modern English cannot resist overdressing antiquity. Fidenae, encouraged by Lars Tolumnius, treated them not as interlocutors but as meddlers. Rome then placed their statues on the Rostra, so that men who had failed to come home with the news might nevertheless continue to deliver it. And most of this, as Grice -- who was educated at Clifton and Oxford -- vide Martyrs Memorial -- well knows, is retrospective engrandisement. Do we know if that revolt and the Lars were later engaged in some defeat as provoked by the ever-victorious Romans who chose the exemplum only when it works retrospectively? Rome being as it was then and not knowing the source of the legatio, it could well be that F. decides, with three friends, to make it to the revolt, on a boring Tuesday afternoon, to see what was going on. They never returned. Thanks.. Yes. This is the right sceptical pressure to apply. The story of Gaius Fulcinius and the three others is preserved for us not as a police report from Fidenae but as Roman moral history after the fact. Once the Romans win, the murdered men become legati in the fully honorific sense, their killing becomes an outrage against public law, and the later statues on the Rostra make the whole episode look as if its meaning had been clear from the beginning. Grice, after Clifton and Oxford, and with the Martyrs’ Memorial available as a permanent lesson in retrospective solemnity, would not need much instruction in this mechanism. In the Roman narrative, yes, the revolt and Lars Tolumnius are followed by Roman military vindication. Fidenae is represented as having revolted from Rome and attached itself to Veii; Tolumnius, king of Veii, is blamed for encouraging or ordering the killing of the four Roman envoys. Rome then goes to war against Fidenae and Veii. The great retaliatory climax is the battle in which Aulus Cornelius Cossus kills Lars Tolumnius and wins the spolia opima. That is the part that makes the exemplum function: the murdered legati are not merely dead men; they become the provocation whose meaning is ratified by Roman victory. So the retrospective structure is almost too neat. First, men are sent, or later said to have been sent, in a public capacity. Second, they are killed. Third, the killer’s side is defeated. Fourth, Rome monumentalises the dead. Fifth, later history reads the whole chain as though the original mission had been from the start a solemn legatio protected by something like the ius gentium. That may be true enough in Roman terms, but the texture is plainly retrospective. Rome does not merely remember; Rome organises memory. Your dull-Tuesday version is therefore a useful corrective, even if stated comically. It could have been, at the level of raw event, much less ceremonious than the later account requires: Fulcinius and three other Romans go to Fidenae to see what the revolt amounts to, perhaps under some commission, perhaps under some aristocratic or civic understanding, perhaps because early Roman public business is not yet bureaucratically crisp. They do not return. Later Rome determines what kind of non-return this was. Were they envoys, scouts, inspectors, meddlers, informants, or curious patrician-adjacent busybodies? The victorious Roman answer is legati. That is the Grice/Speranza point. The word legatus is not a neutral label attached to four men before anything happens. It is a description with consequences. If they are legati, killing them means sacrilege against Rome’s public speech. If they are meddlers, killing them is brutal but politically intelligible. If they are spies, the Fidenates and Tolumnius can redescribe the act as defensive. The struggle is therefore not only over bodies but over the description under which the bodies are to be remembered. A reconstructed exchange could go like this: Fulcinius: Legati sumus; causas defectionis audire volumus. “We are envoys; we wish to hear the reasons for the revolt.” +> He meant that Rome still frames Fidenae as answerable in a public exchange, not yet simply as an enemy to be crushed. Fidenas: Legati, an exploratores? “Envoys, or spies?” +> He meant that the Roman description is contested. What Rome calls inquiry, Fidenae may call surveillance. Fulcinius: Qui causas poscit, bellum differt. “He who asks for reasons postpones war.” +> He meant that the mission is a last interval of speech before violence. Lars Tolumnius: Qui bellum differt, victoriam nostram impedit. “He who postpones war obstructs our victory.” +> He meant that the Roman envoys are not protected speakers but dangerous delays, meddlers in the revolt’s momentum. Fidenas: At si legati sunt? “But what if they are envoys?” +> He recognised that killing such men, under that description, crosses a norm even hostile communities understand. Lars Tolumnius: Tum Roma postea nomen inveniet. “Then Rome will find the name afterwards.” +> He meant, in Speranza’s deliberately anachronistic reconstruction, that the victorious party will later determine the official description of the dead. Fulcinius: Occisi fortius loquemur. “Once killed, we shall speak more strongly.” +> He meant that Roman memory will turn their silence into a public accusation. That last line is the memorial logic of the Rostra. The men do not return with news; they become the news. Their statues do what their mission, whether formal legatio or Tuesday excursion, failed to do: they continue to say that Fidenae answered Rome’s question with murder. The comedy lies in the solemnity of the after-arrangement. Four men go out; four men are killed; Rome later supplies office, outrage, monument, and lesson. The fact that Cossus kills Tolumnius and Rome wins gives the story its moral architecture. Without victory, one suspects, the episode would have had less marble and fewer capital letters. So yes: the whole thing is retrospective engrandisement, or at least retrospective stabilisation. Rome chooses the exemplum when the exemplum has been made to work. Fulcinius becomes legatus most securely once the avenger has ridden home.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fulvio – Ossia: Grice e Fulvio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fulvio. The Fulvii, originally Foulvia, are one of the most illustrious plebeian families at ancient Rome. Members of this gens first came to prominence during the middle Republic; the first to attain the consulship was Lucius F. Curvus. From that time, the F. were active in the politics of the Roman state, and gained a reputation for excellent military leaders. F. is evidently of Latin origin, and is derived from the cognomen Fulvus, originally designating someone with yellowish or golden-brown hair. Tullio Cicero reports that the F. originally came to Rome from Tusculum, where some of them remained in his era. According to tradition, they obtained their sacra from Hercules after the completion of his twelve labours. By the latter part of the fourth century BC, they had joined the nobiles through the patronage of the Fabii, who supported the successful candidacy of Lucius F. Curvus for the consulship. The earliest branch of the Fulvii used the praenomina Lucius, Marcus, and Quintus, which they occasionally supplemented with other names, including Gaius, Gnaeus, and Servius. Lucius disappears early, and was not used by the later F. The F. Centumali mentioned in history bore Gnaeus and Marcus exclusively, while the Flacci depended on Marcus and Quintus, supplemented by Gnaeus, Servius, and Gaius. F. with other praenomina occur toward the end of the Republic.  The Fulvii of the Republic bore a variety of cognomina, including Bambalio, Centumalus, Curvus, Flaccus, Gillo, Nobilior, Paetinus, and Veratius or Neratius.[1]  Curvus, which means "bent" or "crooked," is the first cognomen of the F. to occur in history, and belongs to a large class of surnames derived from a person's physical characteristics.Members of this family subsequently bore the surnames Paetinus and Nobilior, which displaced Curvus.[7]  Paetinus, derived from Paetus, was a common surname originally referring to someone with a slight cast in the eye.[7][8] Pliny the Elder mentions it alongside Strabo, which also indicated a defect of vision,[9] but Horace indicates that paetus describes a lesser distortion than strabo, giving as an example a fond father referring to his cross-eyed son as paetus instead of strabo to minimise the defect. The slight distortion indicated by Paetus was even considered endearing, and it was an epithet of Venus, with much the same meaning as the modern proverb, "love is blind". As the cognomen of Curvus was superseded by that of Paetinus, so the latter was in turn superseded by Nobilior, meaning "very noble". This name seems to have been first assumed by the consul, perhaps with the implication that he was more noble than the other F.; his descendants dropped the name of Paetinus. Centumalus is a cognomen of obscure meaning.[16] From the filiation of Gnaeus Fulvius Maximus Centumalus, the consul, and the first of this surname, it appears probable that he was the brother of Marcus F. Paetinus, the consul of the preceding year, in which case the Centumali were also descended from the F. Curvi.  Flaccus, meaning "flabby", or "flop-eared", was the name of a prominent family of the Fulvia gens, which first appears in history around the beginning of the First Punic War. They were presumably descended from the same family as the other Fulvii of the Republic, but the exact manner of the relationship is unclear, unless perhaps they were descended from a younger son of Marcus F. Curvus Paetinus, consul.  The surname Bambalio, belonging to one of the Fulvii of Tusculum, alluded to his tendency to stammer.[19]  To this list, some scholars append Nacca, or Natta, a fuller,[20][21][14] based on a Lucius Natta, supposedly the brother-in-law of Publius Clodius Pulcher. Tullio Cicero mentions this Natta on two occasions, but does not mention his gentile name. Servius calls him Pinarius Natta, in a passage of uncertain genuineness,[22] but the only known wife of Clodius was Fulvia; thus it has been speculated that her brother could have been Lucius F. Natta, although that surname is otherwise unknown in the Fulvia gens. Syme argues that it was possible that Natta was a maternal half-brother of Fulvia, from her an earlier marriage of her mother to a Pinarius Natta.[23] Drumann, however, provides reason to suppose that Clodius was married twice, and that his first wife was Pinaria; in which case Natta was not the brother of Fulvia. Fulvii Curvi, Paetini, et Nobiliores Lucius Fulvius, the grandfather of Lucius F. Curvus, consul in 322 BC. Lucius F. L. f., the father of Lucius, consul in 322 BC. Gnaeus F., the grandfather of Marcus F. Paetinus, consul in 299 BC. Gnaeus F. Cn. f., the father of Marcus, consul in 299, and perhaps also of Gnaeus F. Maximus Centumalus, consul in 298. Lucius F. L. f. L. n. Curvus, consul in BC 322, with Quintus Fabius Maximus Rullianus. Supposedly he had been consul of Tusculum at the time that town revolted against Rome, but upon going over to the Romans, was invested with the same office. He and his colleague triumphed over the Tusculans, and in some accounts, over the Samnites as well. Magister equitum in 316, he and the dictator, Lucius Aemilius Mamercinus, besieged Saticula, and defeated the Samnites.[26][27] Marcus F. L. f. L. n. Curvus Paetinus, consul suffectus in 305 BC, following the death of the consul Tiberius Minucius Augurinus in battle against the Samnites. According to some accounts, he took the town of Bovianum, and celebrated a triumph over the Samnites.[28] Marcus F. Cn. f. Cn. n. Paetinus, consul in BC 299.[29] Gaius F. Curvus, one of the plebeian aediles in 296 BC; he and his colleague used fines from grazers to host games, and donate golden chalices to Ceres[30] Marcus F. M. f. L. n. Paetinus, the son of Marcus F. Curvus Paetinus, consul in 305 BC, and father of Servius F. Paetinus Nobilior, consul in 255. Servius F. Paetinus M. f. M. n. Nobilior, consul in BC 255, with Marcus Aemilius Paullus, during the First Punic War. Following the defeat of Regulus in Africa at the beginning of the year, the consuls were dispatched with a fleet of at least three hundred ships to bring away the survivors. Near Hermaea, the Roman fleet gained a brilliant victory over the Carthaginians, who suffered very heavy losses. On its return to Italy, the fleet met a fearful storm, and was almost totally destroyed; but both consuls survived, and celebrated a triumph in the following year. Marcus F. Ser. f. M. n. Nobilior, the son of Servius F. Nobilior, consul in BC 255, and father of Marcus F. Nobilior, consul in 189. Marcus F. M. f. Ser. n. Nobilior, as praetor in 193 BC, obtained the province of Hispania Ulterior, where he defeated the Vaccaei, Tectones, and Celtiberi, receiving an ovation; as consul in 189, and fought against the Aetolians, triumphing the following year. He was censor in 179. Quintus F. Nobilior, one of the triumviri appointed in 184 BC to establish colonies at Potentia and Pisaurum. TULLIO Cicero identifies him with the consul of 153 BC, who was the son of the consul of 189; but it is improbable that someone who held such an important office in 184 should have been elected consul thirty-one years later; and a Quintus F. Nobilior whom Livy mentions as a boy in 180 would have been the right age to achieve the consulship in 153, but certainly would not have been given the responsibility of establishing two colonies while still a child, four years earlier. Marcus F. Nobilior, military tribune in 180 BC, he served under the consul Aulus Postumius Albinus Luscus in Liguria. After dismissing his forces without authority, he was punished by being sent to Hispania Ulterior. Broughton notes great difficulty determining his identity, due to a number of similarly named F., and inconsistent sources.[34][35] Marcus F. M. f. M. n. Nobilior, consul in BC 159, he appears to have carried on the war against the Eleates in Liguria, over whom he celebrated a triumph the following year.[36] Quintus F. M. f. M. n. Nobilior, consul in BC 153, the first year that the consuls entered upon their office upon the kalends of January, instead of the ides of March. Sent against the Celtiberi, he suffered a terrible defeat on the day of the Vulcanalia, the 23rd of August, a day which was ever after ill-omened to all Roman generals. Although F. was able to inflict severe losses on the enemy, a stampede of his own elephants led to a second devastating defeat later in the year. He was censor in 136. Marcus F. Nobilior, one of Catiline's conspirators. A man of this name was condemned in BC 54, on unknown charges; he may be the same person.[37][38] F. Centumali Gnaeus Fulvius Cn. f. Cn. n. Maximus Centumalus, consul in 298 BC, triumphed over the Samnites and the Etruscans. Probably the same man as the Gnaeus Fulvius Maximus Centumalus who was dictator in 263 BC.[39][40] Gnaeus Fulvius Cn. f. Cn. n. Centumalus, consul in BC 229 with Lucius Postumius Albinus; they conducted the war in Illyria, with great success, and F. triumphed over the Illyrians.[41][42][43][44] Gnaeus F. Cn. f. Cn. n. Centumalus Maximus, consul in 211 BC; his command prolonged the following year, he was defeated and perished in battle against Hannibal.[45][46][47][48] Marcus F. Centumalus, praetor urbanus in BC 192, superintended the building of fifty quinqueremes, in preparation for the war against Antiochus the Great.[49] Fulvii Flacci Marcus F., the grandfather of Marcus F. Flaccus, consul in 264 BC, might perhaps be the same as Marcus F. Curvus Paetinus, the consul of 305. Quintus F. M. f., the father of Marcus, consul in 264 BC. Marcus F. Q. f. M. n. Flaccus, consul in 264 BC, the year in which the First Punic War broke out. Quintus Fulvius M. f. Q. n. Flaccus, consul in 237, 224, 212, and 209 BC, magister equitum in 213 and dictator in 210; he was one of Rome's most successful generals, before and during the Second Punic War, but his legacy was tarnished by the severity with which he treated the defeated Capuans in 211. Gnaeus F. M. f. Q. n. Flaccus, praetor in 212 BC, during the third consulship of his brother, Quintus; he received Apulia as his province, and was defeated with great losses by Hannibal near Herdonia. Charged with losing his army through lack of caution and prudence, he was found to have behaved cowardly, and went into voluntary exile at Tarquinii.[50] Gaius F. M. f. Q. n. Flaccus, served as legate under his brother, Quintus, at the siege of Capua, 211 BC. In 209, he was ordered to conduct a detachment of troops into Etruria, and bring back to Rome the legions which had been stationed there. He might be the same Gaius F. who, as quaestor in 218, had been captured by the Boii.[51][52] Marcus F. Flaccus, one of the decemviri agris assignandis, appointed in 201 BC to assign lands in Samnium and Apulia to veterans who had served under Scipio in Africa.[53][54] Gnaeus F. (Flaccus), Praetor Peregrinus in 190 BC.[55] Marcus F. Flaccus, one of the triumvirs appointed to conduct colonies to Pollentia and Pisaurum, in 184 BC.[56] Quintus F. Cn. f. M. n. Flaccus, praetor in 187 BC, and consul suffectus in 180. As consul, he received the province of Liguria. He sent 7,000 Apuani to Samnium.[57] Quintus F. Q. f. M. n. Flaccus, as praetor in 182 BC, he received the province of Hispania Citerior, where he won several victories over the Celtiberians, triumphing in 180 BC. He was consul in 179, with his brother, Lucius Manlius Acidinus Fulvianus, and triumphed over the Ligurians. He was censor in 174. Gnaeus F. Q. f. M. n. Flaccus, brother of the consul of 179 BC, was expelled from the senate during the latter's censorship. Marcus F. Q. f. M. n. Flaccus, served as legate under his brother, Quintus, against the Celtiberians, 182 BC.[58] (Lucius?) F. Q. f. M. n. Flaccus, a younger son of the consul of 237, 224, 212, and 209 BC; he was adopted by Lucius Manlius Acidinus, and became Lucius Manlius Acidinus Fulvianus. As praetor in 188 BC, he obtained the province of Hispania Citerior, where he remained until 186, defeating the Celtiberi; in consequence he received an ovation. He was consul, with his brother, Quintus, who had triumphed over the Celtiberi the preceding year. Servius F. Q. f. Flaccus, consul in 135 BC, subdued the Vardaeans in Illyricum. Tullio Cicero calls him a literary and eloquent man. He was on one occasion accused of incest, and was ably defended by Gaius Scribonius Curio.[59][60][61] Gaius F. Q. f. Cn. n. Flaccus, consul in 134 BC, during the First Servile War; he obtained the command in Sicily, and proceeded against the slaves, but with little success.[59][62] Marcus F. M. f. Q. n. Flaccus, consul in 125 BC, aided the Massilians against the Saluvii, and triumphed over the transalpine Ligures. A staunch ally of Gaius Gracchus, and supporter of his agrarian law, his attempts to supply Gracchus with an armed force led to failed negotiations with the senatorial party, and he was put to death, together with his elder son. Fulvia M. f. M. n., daughter of Marcus F. Flaccus, the consul of 125 BC, married Publius Cornelius Lentulus, and was the mother of Publius Cornelius Lentulus Sura.[63] Fulvia M. f. M. n., another daughter of Marcus F. Flaccus, the consul of 125 BC, married a brother of Quintus Lutatius Catulus.[64][63] Fulvia M. f. M. n., a third daughter of Marcus F. Flaccus, the consul of 125 BC, married Lucius Julius Caesar, consul in 90 BC.[63][65][66] Fulvii Gillones Quintus F. Gillo, a legate of Scipio Africanus, who sent him to Carthage in 203 BC. He was praetor in 200, and obtained Sicily as his province.[67] Gnaeus F. (Q. f.) Gillo, probably the son of Quintus, was praetor in 167 BC, and received the province of Hispania Citerior.[68] Marcus F. Gillo, consul suffectus in AD 76, and governor of Asia from 89 to 90. Quintus F. Gillo Bittius Proculus, consul suffectus in AD 98. His stepdaughter was the second wife of Pliny the Younger. Others Marcus F. Bambalio, of Tusculum, a man of no account, married Sempronia, daughter of Sempronius Tuditanus. Their daughter, Fulvia, was the wife of Marcus Antonius. F. received the nickname Bambalio on account of a hesitancy in his speech.[19] Fulvia, a noblewoman who revealed the Catilinarian conspiracy to Tullio Cicero. Fulvia M. f., daughter of Marcus Fulvius Bambalio, married Publius Clodius Pulcher; after his murder in 52 BC, she married Gaius Scribonius Curio. Following his death in the African War, 49 BC, she became the third wife of Marcus Antonius, the triumvir; in 41 she helped to instigate the Perusine War. Publius F. Veratius or Neratius, whom TULLIO Cicero calls a lectissimus homo, accused Titus Annius Milo in BC 52.[69][70] Aulus F., a member of the second Catilinarian conspiracy, in 63 BC. While he was on his way to Catiline, his father was informed of his son's design, and, overtaking him, ordered that the younger F. be put to death. Fulvia Pia, the mother of Lucius Septimius Severus, emperor from AD 193 to 211. Gaius F. Plautianus, praetorian prefect under Septimius Severus, to whom he may have been related. Having achieved great wealth and power, he succeeded in having his daughter, Fulvia Plautilla, married to Caracalla, the future emperor. But as Caracalla despised both his bride and his father-in-law, Plautianus anticipated his downfall, and was put to death on the accusation that he was plotting against the emperor and his family. Fulvia Plautilla, the wife of Caracalla, was banished and put to death in AD 212, following the murder of the emperor's brother, Geta. F/ Plautius, the brother of Fulvia Plautilla, along with whom he was banished and put to death in AD 212. F. Diogenianus, a former consul, noted for his imprudent freedom of speech during the reign of Macrinus.[74] F., praefectus urbi in AD 222, was torn to pieces, along with Aurelius Eubulus, by the soldiers and people, in the massacre which followed the death of Elagabalus, and was succeeded in office by the notorious Eutychianus Comazon. He may perhaps be the same person as the consular, F. Diogenianus.[75] Gaius F. Maximus, legate of Dalmatia in the reign of Severus Alexander. Marcus Laelius F. Maximus Aemilianus, consul ordinarius in AD 227. F. Pius, consul in AD 238. F. Aemilianus, consul in AD 244. F. Asprianus, a historian, who detailed at great length the doings of the emperor Carinus.[76] See also List of Roman gentes References Citations  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. 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Klaus Bringmann, A History of the Roman Republic, Wiley (2007). Categories: FulviiRoman gentesRoman gentes of Latin origin For this gens, we may have I) one entry for the one who received an ovation; ii) another entry for the OTHER F. who received an ovation. For Grice, "He received an ovation" seems natural meaning; for the Romans it was NON-NATURAL meaning, right? people were FORCED to 'ovate' -- iii) for the child who settled a colony in Cicero's bad chronology; iv) for the father who ordered his son be killed. Ordered who? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fulvio – Ossia: Grice e Fulvio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fulvio. For the two ovations, the clean split is indeed useful, because “received an ovation” is treacherous in a Gricean way. In ordinary English, “he received an ovation” suggests spontaneous audience reaction, almost natural meaning in the smoke-means-fire family: they applauded, therefore they approved. The Roman ovatio is not that. It is a public honour authorised and staged by the state. The applause may occur, but the meaning of the event is conventional, institutional, and non-natural. The people do not merely “ovate” because they cannot help themselves, like thunder following lightning. They participate in a civic sign-system. The ovatio means that Rome has granted a lesser triumphal honour under recognised conditions. It is not a crowd reaction; it is a public sentence in ceremonial form. The first Fulvian ovation belongs to Marcus Fulvius Nobilior as praetor in Hispania Ulterior in 193 BC, after victories over peoples named in the tradition as Vaccaei, Tectones, and Celtiberi. This is the useful Nobilior case because his later consulship and triumph over the Aetolians can easily overshadow the earlier, smaller honour. The ovation says, institutionally, that the achievement is worthy of public recognition, but not of the full triumphal maximum. In Gricean terms, the state says less than “triumph,” and thereby means something precise: enough victory for ceremonial distinction, not enough, or not under the right conditions, for the greater procession.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fulvio – Ossia: Grice e Fulvio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fulvio. The second Fulvian ovation is the more genealogically playful one, because it belongs to Lucius Manlius Acidinus Fulvianus, born a Fulvius and adopted into the Manlii Acidini. As praetor in Hispania Citerior, he defeated Celtiberian forces and received an ovation in 186 BC. He later became consul in 179 BC together with his brother Quintus Fulvius Flaccus. This is excellent for Speranza because the honour attaches to a man whose name itself has crossed family lines. The ovation means Roman victory; the nomenclature means adoption; the whole case is a small lesson in how public identity is made by institutions rather than by nature alone. A dry Grice/Speranza formulation would be this. In London, if a singer “receives an ovation,” one normally infers that the audience was moved. In Rome, if a Fulvius “receives an ovation,” one infers that the state has permitted a particular public form to signify victory of a certain grade. The Roman audience may clap, shout, or stare; the ovatio itself is not a psychological symptom but a conventional act. It belongs with triumphus, supplicatio, censorial nota, adoption, and devotio: Roman institutions making meanings that no quantity of spontaneous noise could make by itself.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fulvio – Ossia: Grice e Fulvio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fulvio. The child-colonist problem is Quintus Fulvius Nobilior. Cicero appears to identify him with the consul of 153 BC, the son of Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, consul of 189 BC; but the chronology is awkward. A Quintus Fulvius Nobilior is one of the triumviri appointed in 184 BC to establish colonies at Potentia and Pisaurum. If this is the same Quintus who became consul in 153, he would have held a major colonising commission thirty-one years before the consulship, which is possible in the abstract only if he were already adult in 184. But Livy mentions a Quintus Fulvius Nobilior as a boy in 180 BC, which fits the later consul much better and makes it absurd to imagine him settling colonies four years earlier as a child. Thus Cicero’s identification is probably a bad compression, or the tradition has conflated two Quintii. Speranza’s point would be that bad chronology is one of Rome’s favourite unconscious implicatures: “Quintus Fulvius Nobilior” is treated as if a name were enough to guarantee a person, when in fact it may be doing the work of several men. On the “child colonist,” Grice’s correction is exactly the right one. It is not analytically false that a child can “settle a colony,” because “settle” is slippery. If “settle” means to found, organise, allocate land, preside over assignments, and perform the legal-political function of a triumvir coloniae deducendae, then a child is pragmatically absurd. If “settle” means “be settled there,” “go there as part of the colonising body,” “be present among the colonists,” or “be included in a colonial migration,” then a child can perfectly well settle a colony by being carried, led, registered, housed, or merely there. Grice’s “things happen” is not frivolous. It is a useful guard against making ordinary language more analytic than it is. So Speranza’s point about the Roman name still stands, but in a more exact form. The problem is not that the proposition “a child settled a colony” is self-contradictory. The problem is that Cicero, or the later tradition, appears to be using a name as if it fixed a public office-holder, while Livy’s “boy” points to a different chronological individual. If Quintus Fulvius Nobilior in 184 BC was one of the commissioners appointed to establish Potentia and Pisaurum, he was not merely a child-colonist in the passive British-colonial sense; he was supposedly a magistrate-like agent of colonisation. That is the awkwardness. A child can be a colonist; a child cannot normally be one of the official men appointed to conduct the colony, unless Rome has become even more interesting than usual. The British analogy helps because “colonist” in ordinary historical English often includes wives, children, dependants, servants, transported persons, and others whose role is not administrative. A child may “settle” Virginia, Massachusetts, Australia, or some later British colony in the sense of belonging to the settling population, not in the sense of chairing the land commission. The child is part of the settlement-event, not the author of the settlement-act. Grice would distinguish the passive or demographic reading from the active institutional reading, and then accuse everyone else of doing metaphysics by bad lexicography. The dry Speranzian formulation would be this. It is not analytically false that a child may settle a colony; a baby can be settled almost anywhere, and often is. It is only absurd if “settle” is made to mean “act as duly appointed colonial commissioner.” Thus the Fulvian chronology turns not on childhood as such but on the office implied by the Latin account. A puer may be carried to Pisaurum; he is less plausibly appointed to carry Pisaurum into being. The name Quintus Fulvius Nobilior is doing too much work, and Grice’s moral is that when a name overworks, an implicature usually collects the wages. On the Fulvian chronology, the facts should be separated cleanly. In 184 BC, a Quintus Fulvius Nobilior is named as one of the triumviri appointed to found or conduct the colonies at Potentia and Pisaurum. That is an official colonising role, not merely being among settlers. In 180 BC, Livy mentions a Quintus Fulvius Nobilior as a boy, puer, in a context that makes him plausibly the later consul. In 153 BC, Quintus Fulvius Nobilior becomes consul and commands against the Celtiberians. Cicero, in Brutus, identifies or treats the Quintus Fulvius Nobilior connected with the colonies as the same man as the later consul of 153 BC, the son of Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, consul of 189 BC. The difficulty is arithmetic rather than metaphysics. If the consul of 153 was still a boy in 180, he cannot very plausibly have been an official triumvir for founding two colonies in 184, four years earlier. It is not analytically false, as Grice quite rightly tells Speranza, that a child can “settle a colony.” A child can be carried into a colony, enrolled in a colonial household, grow up in one, or be part of the demographic fact of settlement. British colonial history supplies many such cases: children “settled” colonies in the passive or population sense simply by being there, however little they knew of charters, land grants, or imperial policy. Things happen, as Grice would say. But that is not the Roman difficulty. The Latin office is not “child present among settlers”; it is a formal commission to conduct or establish colonies. A puer may settle at Pisaurum; a puer does not normally serve as triumvir coloniae deducendae. That is the distinction that saves Grice’s analytic point while preserving Speranza’s historical irritation. Livy is not saying, “Cicero is an idiot.” Livy is not staging a correction of Cicero in that way. Rather, the sources, when placed side by side, create a prosopographical problem. Cicero’s identification is probably loose, compressed, or based on a tradition that conflated two men named Quintus Fulvius Nobilior. Livy’s notice of the puer in 180 makes the later consul of 153 chronologically plausible, but makes the colonising commissioner of 184 implausible as the same person. The more sober conclusion is that there were likely two Quintii Fulvii Nobiliores, or that the tradition has made one name do the work of two careers. So the BC sequence, without the fog, is this. 189 BC: Marcus Fulvius Nobilior is consul. 184 BC: a Quintus Fulvius Nobilior is appointed among the colonial triumvirs for Potentia and Pisaurum. 180 BC: Livy refers to a Quintus Fulvius Nobilior as a boy. 153 BC: Quintus Fulvius Nobilior is consul. Cicero appears to connect the 184 commissioner with the 153 consul. Livy’s boy of 180 makes that connection difficult, unless one allows a child to hold an adult public commission, which is not impossible in grammar, but rather severe on Roman administration. The dry Speranzian close would be: a child may settle a colony in the sense in which a suitcase may accompany an empire. He need only be there. But to settle two colonies in the proper Roman way, as one of the appointed men, requires rather more than presence. It requires office, authority, and the ability not merely to inhabit a foundation but to found it. Cicero’s chronology lets the name do too much; Livy’s puer makes the name sweat. Re the alleged child colonist Grice wonders if the problem is that the Romans overrate Livy. "Why mention a child, in the first place? It seems gratuitious and unRomanly for a historian to even say that someone (never mind his name) was a puer -- at some specific year." Would the erasure of this slip by Livy justify Cicero's apter judgement? Thanks (Grice: "Children should sometimes be seen -- never heard -- and unless Livy -- not be mentioned in history books unless there is a point for it") Grice’s suspicion is fair, but it should be phrased as a methodological warning rather than as a simple demotion of Livy. The question is not “why did Livy gratuitously mention a child?” but “what work is puer doing in the narrative or tradition?” Roman historians do not normally pause to say that someone was a boy at a particular date unless youth matters: to mark pathos, genealogical continuity, precocity, vulnerability, dramatic contrast, or identification. If the word does no visible work, it becomes the sort of little detail that later prosopographers may have made too sovereign. So yes: if Livy’s puer were erased, softened, or reassigned, Cicero’s identification would become much easier. A Quintus Fulvius Nobilior serving in 184 BC as one of the men appointed to conduct colonies, and then becoming consul in 153 BC, gives a long but not impossible public career. The scandal is not the thirty-one-year interval. The scandal is the child in 180, four years after the supposed colonial commission. Remove the child, and Cicero looks less inattentive; keep the child, and the name begins to overwork. Grice’s point about “settling a colony” remains important. It is not analytically false that a child may settle a colony. Children have settled colonies in every ordinary demographic sense: they are carried there, born there, enrolled there, housed there, and later counted among the settlers. British colonial history supplies the obvious cases, since the child-settler need not know anything about charters, land allotments, or imperial policy in order to be part of the settlement. To settle, in that sense, is merely to be there under the right historical description. But the Roman office at issue is not that. The difficulty is not a puer among settlers, but a puer acting as one of the official triumviri coloniae deducendae, the men appointed to conduct or found colonies in the formal Roman way. A child can settle at Pisaurum; he cannot very plausibly settle Pisaurum by public commission. That is why the Livian detail matters only if it attaches to the same Quintus and if the role in 184 is official rather than merely demographic. Livy is not saying Cicero is an idiot. Livy is not conducting a seminar on Cicero’s prosopographical failings. Rather, when Cicero and Livy are put side by side, the tradition produces a problem. Cicero appears to identify the colonial commissioner of 184 with the later consul of 153. Livy’s puer in 180, if taken literally and applied to that same man, makes the identification awkward. The historian then has choices: split the Quintii Fulvii Nobiliores, weaken the force of puer, treat Livy’s notice as serving another narrative purpose, or accept that Cicero’s identification was loose. Speranza’s dry conclusion would be that Livy’s child may be too good at his job. He was introduced, perhaps, to clarify or colour a narrative; later he was promoted into a chronological policeman, standing at the gate and refusing Cicero admission. Grice would not quite allow that without protest. Children may sometimes be seen and not heard; in history books, they should not be mentioned unless there is a point. If Livy’s point cannot be found, Cicero’s apter judgement may deserve parole. If Livy’s point can be found, then Cicero’s Quintus has probably become two men under one name, which is a very Roman way of making a family look continuous and a chronology look guilty. And do we have the Latin Livy 'puer' passage to see what point it is serving in a Griceian relevant-based narrative? Thanks! I have not yet found a secure Latin line in Livy where the phrase is as simple as “Quintus Fulvius Nobilior puer...” The web trail points instead to the cluster around Livy Book 40 and the Fulvian material of 180/179 BC, especially the passage where Quintus Fulvius is consul and asks, before any other public business, to discharge vows made after his last battle with the Celtiberians. The accessible Loeb snippet gives this Latin opening: “Q. Fulvius consul priusquam ullam rem publicam ageret liberare et se et rem publicam religione votis solvendis dixit velle...” — “The consul Quintus Fulvius said that before undertaking any public business he wished to free himself and the state from a religious obligation by paying his vows.” [loebclassics.com], [loebclassics.com] That passage is relevant because it belongs to the later Quintus Fulvius Nobilior, the consul of 153 BC, whose earlier career and identity are at issue, but it is not yet the “puer” passage. The Latin Library has Livy Book 41 online, and Perseus points to Book 40, chapter 41, but the immediately visible snippets do not expose the “puer” wording. [thelatinlibrary.com], [perseus.tufts.edu] So the honest answer is: not yet, not from the exposed search text. I would not invent the Latin. What we can say methodologically is still useful. If Livy does call a Quintus Fulvius Nobilior puer in 180 BC, the Gricean question is exactly: why is the age-word relevant? Puer cannot be allowed to sit there as a neutral census-label. In Livian narrative it would normally do some work: marking pathos, dependence, dynastic continuity, succession, premature visibility, or the contrast between a child’s status and later public eminence. If no such work is visible, then Grice and Speranza are entitled to suspect either a detail displaced from another tradition or a later prosopographical over-reading. The contrast remains as follows. Cicero’s identification of the colonial commissioner of 184 BC with the later consul of 153 BC is not absurd if the Livian child disappears. The interval is long but possible. But if Livy really presents the same Quintus as a puer in 180 BC, then the official colonising commission of 184 becomes very awkward, unless “settling a colony” is demoted from formal public office to mere presence among settlers — which is Grice’s ordinary-language rescue, but not the Roman institutional one. Speranza’s dry formulation would be: the child is admissible as a settler, inadmissible as a commissioner, and intolerable as a footnote unless Livy tells us why he brought him into the room. A puer in history needs a function. Otherwise he is not a character but a chronological weapon accidentally left on the table. Does this help, child? Livy refers to this specific historical event in Book 40, Chapter 41 of his Ab Urbe Condita. [1] The passage details the events of 180 BC, where Marcus Fulvius Nobilior (serving as a military tribune) faced a severe scandal and official relegation. [1, 2, 3, 4] The Latin Context While your phrase "qui tua" appears to be a slight corruption or transcription error of the original Latin text, the definitive passage in Livy 40.41.7–11 describes how Marcus Fulvius Nobilior was punished: [1, 2] "...M. Fulvium Nobilioris filium, tribunum militum secundae legionis... dimisisse" [1] Historical Context of the Event The Incident: In 180 BC, during a campaign against the Ligurians, Marcus Fulvius Nobilior prematurely dismissed the second legion under his command without consular authority. [1] The Punishment: Because of this grave military infraction, he was formally rebuked by the consul Aulus Postumius Albinus and exiled/relegated to the far reaches of Spain. [1, 2] The "Puer" Connection: Roman historical sources (including Valerius Maximus and Livy's broader discussions on the family) frequently emphasize the youth (puer) or early-career stages of the young Nobilior and his contemporary political rivals—such as Marcus Aemilius Lepidus—who famously fought and achieved military decorations while still technically classified as boys (puer). [1, 2, 3] If you are analyzing a specific Latin commentary or textual variant of Ab Urbe Condita Book 40, please let me know! I can help you look up the precise grammatical breakdown or clarify the exact Latin sentenceyou are translating. Yes — that helps, and it actually clarifies that the “puer” problem may have been mislocated. The passage you found is not about Quintus Fulvius Nobilior as the alleged child-colonist. It is about Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, the son of the famous Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, serving as military tribune of the second legion in 180 BC and being punished for dismissing his troops without authority. The crucial Latin, as you give it, is: M. Fulvium Nobilioris filium, tribunum militum secundae legionis... “Marcus Fulvius, son of Nobilior, military tribune of the second legion...” That is not “puer.” Nor is it Quintus. It is Marcus, a military tribune. So if this is the Livy 40.41 material being invoked, it does not by itself prove that the later consul Quintus Fulvius Nobilior was a boy in 180 BC. It proves that a Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, son of Nobilior, held a military post and was disciplined. The “child” has vanished, or at least is not in this passage. This makes Grice’s irritation even more justified. If modern summaries are saying “Livy mentions Quintus Fulvius Nobilior as a boy in 180,” but the actual passage they are leaning on concerns Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, military tribune, then the prosopographical objection to Cicero weakens considerably. We would need the exact Latin passage where Quintus is called puer, not a general reference to Livy Book 40 or to “the Fulvian family.” The Gricean relevance point is then sharp. Livy’s mention of Marcus is not gratuitous. The filiation, Nobilioris filium, serves to identify him as the son of the celebrated Nobilior and to heighten the scandal: a young aristocratic military tribune, bearing a famous name, acts without proper authority and is punished by being sent off to Spain. The point is not childhood but discipline, hierarchy, and the failure of inherited prestige to excuse military irregularity. So the narrative function is intelligible: Marcus Fulvius Nobilior is not mentioned as a child. He is mentioned as a son of Nobilior. He is mentioned because his conduct was irregular. His famous family-name makes the punishment more pointed, not less. In Speranza’s dry voice: the passage does not give us a baby colonising Pisaurum; it gives us a Fulvian young man behaving as if a noble name could dismiss a legion. Livy has a point after all, but not the point the wiki-like chronology wanted him to have. For Cicero, that matters. If Cicero identified Quintus Fulvius Nobilior, consul of 153, with the colonial commissioner of 184, the alleged contradiction cannot be established from this Marcus passage. The case against Cicero requires a securely attested Quintus as puer in 180. Without that, Cicero’s identification may still be debatable, but not refuted by the Livy passage you supplied. So the clean verdict is: Livy 40.41, as represented here, helps by showing that the supposed “puer” evidence is suspect. The passage concerns Marcus, not Quintus. It concerns military misconduct, not childhood. It therefore does not make Cicero an idiot. If anything, it makes the later prosopographer look a little too eager to manufacture a child where Livy had only a son. And can you just doublecheck the references or sources in the wiki entry for the gens to see if this is the Livy that they are relying on? Because we can always blame it on Wiki, son! Yes — I checked the wiki trail, and it looks as though the troublesome “boy in 180” claim in the Fulvii/Fulvia gens entry is not cleanly supported by the visible reference pattern. The gens article does cite Livy around the relevant Fulvian section, especially Livy 39.44 and 40.41–42, but the passage you brought forward from Livy 40.41 concerns Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, son of Nobilior, as military tribune of the second legion, not Quintus as puer. The wording visible there is filium and tribunum militum, not a nice fatal puer. So if wiki’s sentence says that Livy mentions Quintus Fulvius Nobilior “as a boy in 180,” it appears to be at least poorly grounded, and quite possibly a prosopographical overreach by the editor. Fulvia gens [en.wikipedia.org] The likely confusion is this. Cicero’s Brutus 20 is used for the identification of Quintus Fulvius Nobilior, and Livy 39.44 supplies the colonial commission of 184 BC for Potentia and Pisaurum. Then Livy 40.41 is brought in for a Fulvius Nobilior in 180 BC. But the Livian Fulvius in that passage is Marcus, the son of Nobilior, punished in a military context, not the alleged child Quintus settling colonies. The wiki entry seems to have allowed the Fulvian name-cluster to do too much work, which is precisely the sort of thing Speranza keeps warning against. Fulvia gens [en.wikipedia.org] So yes, son, we may blame it on Wiki — or, more charitably, on wiki-style compression. The problem is not that Cicero was obviously stupid and Livy obviously correcting him. The problem is that a modern summary has probably stitched together Cicero, Livy, Broughton, and a swarm of Fulvii Nobiliores into a neat chronological objection, but the crucial “puer Quintus in 180” support is not visible in the Livy passage under discussion. Cicero’s identification may still be debated, but the case against him should not rest on a child whom Livy has not actually produced. Does this below help, puer? you have hit on an exact, documented logical clash within the Wikipedia editing history for the Fulvia gens.[1] The Wikipedia editors were actively wrestling with the timeline of Quintus Fulvius Nobilior (who became consul in 153 BC), and they directly used the argument that he could not have been a colonist because he was "a child". [1, 2] The Wikipedia passage states: [1] "...and a Quintus Fulvius Nobilior whom Livy mentions as a boy in 180 would have been the right age to achieve the consulship in 153, but certainly would not have been given the responsibility of establishing two colonies while still a child, four years earlier [in 184 BC]." Where the Editors Got Confused The Wikipedia editors fell into a trap by conflating two entirely different roles in Roman colonization: [1, 2] The Colonist (Settler): Anyone could be a colonist, and families—including children—moved to newly established colonies. The Colonial Commissioner (Triumvir Coloniae Deducendae): This was a high-level magistrate appointed to layout, govern, and formally establish the colony. [1, 2] The Quintus Fulvius Nobilior in question was appointed as a colonial commissioner in 184 BC to found the colonies of Potentia and Pisaurum. Because Livy mentions a Fulvius as a "boy" (puer) or youth around 180 BC, the editors concluded that he was a literal "child" in 184 BC and therefore could not hold the high-ranking job of a commissioner. [1, 2] Why the Editors' Conclusion is Wrong The editors made a critical error regarding Roman terminology and political maneuvers: The Political Loophole: Quintus’s father, Marcus Fulvius Nobilior (consul of 189 BC), was an immensely powerful man. Roman aristocrats frequently placed their teenage sons (young men in their late teens, legally or colloquially referred to as pueri or adulescentes) onto three-man colonial boards (triumviri). It was a standard political maneuver to fast-track a son's resume and give him early prestige before he was old enough to run for standard magistracies. [1, 2, 3, 4] The Meaning of Puer: In Latin elite contexts, puer did not mean an elementary school toddler. A young man of 16 to 18 years old—old enough to serve in the military but not yet a fully independent adult—could easily be described as a puer by older senators like Cato or Livy. The Math Works Out: If Quintus was a consul in 153 BC, he would have been in his 40s. Going back 31 years to 184 BC, he would have been roughly 16–19 years old. He was absolutely old enough to be placed on a colonial commission by his powerful father, even if the strict historical records later looked back on him as just a "boy" at the time. [1, 2] The Wikipedia editors saw the word "boy/child" in the sources for the 180s BC and erroneously assumed it meant a literal small child who could not participate in the founding of a colony. [1] Would you like to examine the exact Latin passages from Livy regarding the 184 BC colonial foundationsto see how his name is recorded alongside the other commissioners? [1] Yes — that helps, and it actually clarifies that the “puer” problem may have been mislocated. The passage you found is not about Quintus Fulvius Nobilior as the alleged child-colonist. It is about Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, the son of the famous Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, serving as military tribune of the second legion in 180 BC and being punished for dismissing his troops without authority. The crucial Latin, as you give it, is: M. Fulvium Nobilioris filium, tribunum militum secundae legionis... “Marcus Fulvius, son of Nobilior, military tribune of the second legion...” That is not “puer.” Nor is it Quintus. It is Marcus, a military tribune. So if this is the Livy 40.41 material being invoked, it does not by itself prove that the later consul Quintus Fulvius Nobilior was a boy in 180 BC. It proves that a Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, son of Nobilior, held a military post and was disciplined. The “child” has vanished, or at least is not in this passage. This makes Grice’s irritation even more justified. If modern summaries are saying “Livy mentions Quintus Fulvius Nobilior as a boy in 180,” but the actual passage they are leaning on concerns Marcus Fulvius Nobilior, military tribune, then the prosopographical objection to Cicero weakens considerably. We would need the exact Latin passage where Quintus is called puer, not a general reference to Livy Book 40 or to “the Fulvian family.” The Gricean relevance point is then sharp. Livy’s mention of Marcus is not gratuitous. The filiation, Nobilioris filium, serves to identify him as the son of the celebrated Nobilior and to heighten the scandal: a young aristocratic military tribune, bearing a famous name, acts without proper authority and is punished by being sent off to Spain. The point is not childhood but discipline, hierarchy, and the failure of inherited prestige to excuse military irregularity. So the narrative function is intelligible: Marcus Fulvius Nobilior is not mentioned as a child. He is mentioned as a son of Nobilior. He is mentioned because his conduct was irregular. His famous family-name makes the punishment more pointed, not less. In Speranza’s dry voice: the passage does not give us a baby colonising Pisaurum; it gives us a Fulvian young man behaving as if a noble name could dismiss a legion. Livy has a point after all, but not the point the wiki-like chronology wanted him to have. For Cicero, that matters. If Cicero identified Quintus Fulvius Nobilior, consul of 153, with the colonial commissioner of 184, the alleged contradiction cannot be established from this Marcus passage. The case against Cicero requires a securely attested Quintus as puer in 180. Without that, Cicero’s identification may still be debatable, but not refuted by the Livy passage you supplied. So the clean verdict is: Livy 40.41, as represented here, helps by showing that the supposed “puer” evidence is suspect. The passage concerns Marcus, not Quintus. It concerns military misconduct, not childhood. It therefore does not make Cicero an idiot. If anything, it makes the later prosopographer look a little too eager to manufacture a child where Livy had only a son.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fulvio – Ossia: Grice e Fulvio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fulvio. The father who ordered his son to be killed is Aulus Fulvius, one of the conspirators associated with Catiline. The story is reported in the moral-exemplary tradition: the young Aulus Fulvius was on his way to Catiline; his father learned of it, overtook him, and ordered him to be put to death. “Ordered who?” is exactly the right question. In a bare summary, the verb floats too grandly. The father did not, presumably, take a dagger and enact a tragic solo in the road. The likely sense is that, as paterfamilias with household authority and attendants, he commanded those with him, slaves, clients, retainers, or household men, to carry out the execution, or caused it to be done under his authority. The story is not interested in the executioner’s name because the exemplum wants the father’s will, not the servant’s hand. Here, again, the Gricean pressure is description. If one says “he killed his son,” the act sounds direct and bodily. If one says “he ordered his son to be killed,” one foregrounds authority, not knife-work. If one says “he punished treason in his own house,” one has already joined Valerius Maximus. The Roman moralists prefer the last because it converts paternal cruelty into republican severity. Speranza would not let it pass so quickly. He would ask who heard the order, who took it as valid, who performed the killing, and under what description the son ceased to be merely filius and became Catilinarianus. A compact set of four entries could therefore run as follows. Marcus Fulvius Nobilior received an ovation after his Spanish victories as praetor. The phrase “received an ovation” is misleading if heard as natural applause. Roman ovatio is a conventional civic sign: the state authorises a lesser triumphal honour and thereby makes the victory publicly mean something of a defined grade. Lucius Manlius Acidinus Fulvianus, a Fulvius by birth and Manlius by adoption, received an ovation after victories in Hispania Citerior. His case is doubly institutional: adoption makes the man’s public name, and ovatio makes the victory’s public meaning. Neither is natural meaning; both are Roman machinery. Quintus Fulvius Nobilior is the chronological trap. The colonising triumvir of 184 BC cannot easily be the boy mentioned by Livy in 180 and later consul of 153, though Cicero’s tradition appears to identify them. The name has done too much work. A child does not settle colonies, unless the colony itself is a joke against chronology. Aulus Fulvius, the Catilinarian youth, was put to death at his father’s command. The father “ordered” the killing, which means that the deed is represented as an act of paternal and civic authority rather than merely private homicide. The unnamed executors disappear because the exemplum wants one speaker: the father as Rome inside the household. Is the implication that the victim F. was under patria potestas and thus younger than 21? As for the child colonist, while Speranza indeed wonders about collectivity of the Roman name, Grice ensured Speranza that 'it is not strictly analytically false that a child can settle a colony -- let alone more than one.' Grice's implicature: Things happen -- and to settle a colony you just have to be there (as perhaps was the case in a few cases of _British_ colonies (no matter the age of the colonist) -- in the history of Britain with which Grice was familiar? Thanks No. The implication should not be that the younger Fulvius was under patria potestas in the ordinary age-of-majority sense, still less that he was therefore under twenty-one. That would smuggle a modern legal instinct into a Roman exemplum. Roman patria potestas was not a minor’s incapacity rule that expired at twenty-one. A son could remain in his father’s potestas as an adult, even a mature adult, so long as the father lived and the son had not been emancipated or otherwise passed out of that power. So the story does not imply “boy under twenty-one.” It implies, if anything, “son still available to be morally and juridically represented under the father’s authority” in the exemplary tradition. The force of the story is not age but paternal jurisdiction sharpened into republican severity. The Aulus Fulvius story is told as an exemplum of a father punishing filial treason before the state needs to do it. That means the son is young enough to be called filius with dramatic effect, and perhaps young in the political imagination; but he need not be a child. The Roman point is not: “a minor was disciplined.” It is: “a father preferred patria and res publica to blood.” The phrase “ordered him to be killed” also need not mean the father personally performed the execution, nor that we know the named agents. It means the father caused the killing to be carried out under his authority. The story wants the father’s command, not the servant’s hand. As usual, Roman moral anecdote is more interested in who bore the exemplum than in who held the knife. So with father/son, it rests on 'overtook' -- took by force. Surely it didn't go: Son, come back! -- The father managed to restrain the son by force and then wash his hands and ORDER someone to kill him. Grice and Speranza are surprised at the measures of security the dad had since most sons avoid daddy's capture AND punishment, even capital. Re the child consul Grice is confused by this habit of the BC and AD -- so can we have the facts clearly. As per Circero and Livy as per dates -- and is Livy saying Cicero is an idiot who did not see that a child cannot settle two colonies in the proper Roman way? Thanks Yes. On the father and son, “overtook” is doing nearly all the narrative violence while pretending to be a harmless verb. It should not be imagined as a drawing-room exchange: “Son, come back.” “No, father.” “Very well, then.” The Roman exemplary version requires pursuit, seizure, and effective control. The son was on his way to Catiline; the father learned of it, caught up with him, and then caused him to be put to death. Whether the father personally killed him is not the point of the exemplum. The point is that paternal authority intercepted political treason before the state did. “Ordered” almost certainly means that the father had with him, or could command, attendants, slaves, clients, or household men able to restrain and execute the son. Grice and Speranza are right to find the logistics interesting. Most sons, especially conspiratorial ones, would prefer not to be intercepted by father, household security, and portable patria potestas. The anecdote compresses all that into the morally efficient verb: overtook. It is also important not to make this about a modern age threshold. The son need not be under twenty-one, nor a “minor” in our sense. Roman patria potestas could persist over adult sons while the father lived, unless the son had been emancipated or otherwise passed out of that power. The story’s force is therefore not “a child punished by a parent,” but “a filius, still morally and juridically available to paternal power in the exemplary imagination, punished as a traitor.” The exemplum wants the father as miniature republic: Rome inside the house, with no appeal from dinner.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fulvio – Ossia: Grice e Fulvio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fulvio. And a further Fulvio, to echo Grice can be the one who claimed that his gens derived from Ercole having finihsed the twelve labours. Grice uses the example: "I've been busy cleaning the Aegean tables." "That's not possible -- you've been in Oxford all summer? and the Stables are in Aegea" (correct me if wrong). So how can we reconstruct a Fulvius using the same metaphorical move but not being so contrived given that the gens claimed that they had ALL to do with those twelve labours -- is one labour specifically related to that area where the F. hailed from, or Italy in general? Thanks Yes. The Grice joke should be cleaned first: it is not the Aegean tables but the Augean stables. In Grice’s version, or the Gricean sort of version, the humour comes from the hearer’s obtuse literalism. “I’ve been busy cleaning the Augean stables” is a perfectly ordinary metaphor for dealing with an accumulated filthy mess; the literalist replies as though the speaker had claimed to have travelled to Elis and performed Hercules’ fifth labour. The point is not that the labour occurred in the Aegean, but that it belonged to Augeias, king of Elis, whose stables Hercules cleansed by diverting rivers through them. For the Fulvii, the Herculean claim is not, I think, tied to one labour that securely locates the family at Tusculum or in Latium. It is more a sacral-genealogical boast: the gens, according to tradition, obtained its family rites from Hercules after he had completed the twelve labours. The Italian connection is broader and perfectly available, because Hercules has a strong Italic and Roman afterlife, especially as Hercules Victor or Invictus at the Ara Maxima in the Forum Boarium. The Roman Hercules is not merely a Greek import standing in a corner with a club; he is a commercial, athletic, oath-taking, cattle-connected, victory-bringing figure, deeply naturalised in Italy. The labour most obviously relevant to Italy is the cattle of Geryon, because the return journey brings Hercules through the West and into the Italian mythic landscape, with the famous Roman episode of Cacus stealing the cattle near the future site of Rome. That is the labour that gives Rome a local Herculean anchorage. So a Fulvius need not say, absurdly, “our family was present for all twelve labours.” He can use the completed labours as a mythic credential: Hercules, after the labours, brings or grants sacra; the Fulvii claim a share in the cultic aftermath. The metaphorical move can therefore be less contrived than Grice’s Augean-stables joke. A Fulvius might say, after settling some sordid political or financial mess, not “I cleaned the Augean stables,” but “Hercules did not give our sacra to men who feared dung.” That would activate the labour without pretending that the speaker had been in Elis with a shovel. A reconstructed exchange might run like this. Fulvius: “Hercules nobis sacra tradidit, cum labores confecisset.” Translation: “Hercules handed down our rites to us when he had completed his labours.” +> He meant that the Fulvian house claimed not ordinary antiquity but a sacred connection with Herculean achievement after completion, not participation in the labours themselves. Scepticus: “Ergo tu stabulum Augeae purgasti?” Translation: “So you cleaned the stable of Augeas?” +> He meant to force the myth into a literal absurdity, as the Gricean undergraduate does when he pretends not to understand metaphor. Fulvius: “Non ego flumina duxi; sed sordes publicas non reformido.” Translation: “I did not divert the rivers; but I do not shrink from public filth.” +> He meant that the Herculean inheritance licenses a moral-political metaphor: the Fulvian may claim readiness to deal with civic corruption, not literal participation in a Greek labour. Scepticus: “At labores in Graecia facti sunt, non Tusculi.” Translation: “But the labours were done in Greece, not at Tusculum.” +> He meant that local family prestige cannot be derived from foreign myth without distortion. Fulvius: “Boves Geryonis per Italiam acti sunt; Cacus Romae vicinus fuit.” Translation: “The cattle of Geryon were driven through Italy; Cacus was Rome’s neighbour.” +> He meant that Hercules had already been domesticated into Italian and Roman sacred geography, especially through the cattle-and-Cacus tradition. Scepticus: “Ita fabula peregrina civis facta est?” Translation: “So a foreign tale has been made a citizen?” +> He meant that Roman religion has naturalised Greek myth for civic and genealogical use. Fulvius: “Quod sacra recipit, non alienum manet.” Translation: “What receives rites does not remain foreign.” +> He meant that cult, not birthplace, determines civic belonging. Hercules becomes Roman by worship and use. Scepticus: “Et Fulvii quid inde capiunt?” Translation: “And what do the Fulvii get from that?” +> He asks whether the family’s claim is anything more than borrowed glory. Fulvius: “Non clavam Herculis, sed disciplinam: post labores, sacra; post sordes, ordinem.” Translation: “Not Hercules’ club, but his discipline: after labours, rites; after filth, order.” +> He meant that the family claim is symbolic and ethical rather than literal: the Fulvii inherit a model of completed labour, purification, and civic order. This is the less contrived Gricean version. The sceptic behaves like the literalist in the Augean-stables example: he hears a Herculean claim as though it must be a biographical report. Fulvius replies by moving the claim into the right register. The gens does not claim to have cleaned Augeas’s stable. It claims rites from the hero after the labours, and therefore a sacral association with the completion of heroic work. The implicature is civic: Fulvii are the sort of people who may clean up political messes, dedicate victory, organise public order, or endure unpleasant tasks without squeamishness. The most Roman local hook is not Augeas but Geryon and Cacus. If Speranza wants the passage to feel less like a forced philosophical joke and more like Roman antiquarian humour, the Fulvius should invoke Hercules in Italy: the cattle, the passage through Latium, Cacus, the Ara Maxima, and the Roman cult of Hercules. The Augean stable may remain as Grice’s Oxford example of metaphor and literal-minded misunderstanding; the Fulvian version should be: Hercules came into Italy with the cattle; Rome remembered him in cult; our gens claims rites from that completed heroic economy. Dry Speranzian close: Grice’s literalist asks whether the don has truly cleaned a stable in Elis. The Fulvian sceptic asks whether a Tusculan house can really inherit from a Greek strongman. The answer in both cases is that the wrong sort of meaning has been selected. Hercules is not being offered as a travel diary. He is being used as a licence for a family’s sacred self-description. The Fulvii do not need to have held the bucket at Augeas’s stable. It is enough, for Roman purposes, that Hercules finished the labours, entered Italy, defeated the local monster, and left rites behind for families happy to remember themselves as slightly cleaner than their neighbours. So this below from Grice -- just for the record -- can we have Fulvius then uttering a metaphor out of the blue about some Ercole labour -- or is it the one picked by Grice the ONLY cliche metaphor, since metaphors don't work with other tasks? Thanks represented as being a matter not of logical but of pragmatic import. The question which at this point particularly beset not only me but various other philosophers as well was the question whether it is or is not required that a nonconventional implicature should always possess maximal scope; when a sentence which used in isolation stan-dardly carries a certain implicature, is embedded in a certain linguistic context, for example appears within the scope of a negation-sign, must the embedding operator, namely the negation-sign, be interpreted only as working on the conventional import of the embedded sentence, or may it on occasion be interpreted as governing not the conventional import but the nonconventional implicatum of the embedded sentence? Only if an embedding operator may on occasion be taken as governing not the conventional import but the noncon-ventional implicatum standardly carried by the embedded sentence can the first version of my account of such linguistic phenomena as conditionals and definite descriptions be made to work. The denial of a conditional needs to be trated as denying not the conventional import but the standard implicatum attaching to an isolated use of the embedded sentence. It certainly does not seem reasonable to subscribe to an absolute ban on the possibility that an embedding locution may govern the standard nonconventional implicatum rather than the conventional import of the embedded sentence; if a friend were to tell me that he had spent the summer cleaning the Augean stables, it would be unreasonable of me to respond that he could not have been doing that since he spent the summer in Seattle and the Augean stables are not in Seattle. But where the limits of a license may lie which allows us to relate embedding operators to the standard implicata rather than to conventional meanings, I have to admit that I do not know. The sccond version Yes, this helps, and it also shows why Fulvius should not be made to utter just any Herculean labour metaphor “out of the blue.” Grice’s point in the passage is not a general theory of heroic allusion, but a point about when an embedding operator, or a reply, may reasonably be taken as engaging the standard implicatum rather than the literal conventional import. “I spent the summer cleaning the Augean stables” works because, in English, that expression has become a reasonably available cliché for clearing away a long-accumulated mess. The literal correction, “but you were in Seattle,” is pragmatically obtuse because the hearer has selected the wrong level of content. So no, metaphors do not work equally well with all twelve labours. They work best where a labour has acquired an independent idiomatic or recognisable figurative use. “Cleaning the Augean stables” is the obvious one because it has become a conventionalised metaphor for cleansing corruption, filth, arrears, bureaucratic accumulation, or moral mess. “Fighting the Nemean lion” can work, but less automatically, for facing brute danger. “Cutting off the Hydra’s heads” works well for a problem that multiplies when addressed. “Carrying the Ceryneian hind” or “fetching the girdle of Hippolyta” will usually not work without a great deal more stage-setting. The hearer cannot be expected to recover the intended implicature unless the metaphorical route is sufficiently licensed by shared cultural knowledge. For a Fulvius, then, the natural move is not to claim that the gens performed a labour, nor even to allude randomly to the twelve. It is to use the Herculean sacra as a family-backed license for one of the already intelligible labour-metaphors, especially Augeas or Geryon/Cacus. Augeas supplies the best Gricean parallel, because it is precisely the “cleaning a public mess” metaphor. Geryon and Cacus supply the best Roman-Italian hook, because the cattle of Geryon bring Hercules into the Italian and Roman landscape, and Cacus localises the myth near Rome. One gives the idiom; the other gives the Roman geography. A less contrived Fulvian utterance could be: Fulvius: “Hodie mihi stabula Augeae purganda sunt.” Translation: “Today I have the Augean stables to clean.” Sceptic: “At Romae es, non apud Augeam.” Translation: “But you are in Rome, not at Augeas’ place.” +> The sceptic deliberately, or stupidly, takes the conventional content rather than the standard metaphorical implicature. Fulvius: “Hoc ipsum dico: faenus, tabulae, largitiones, patroni sordent; Hercules noster flumina inveniret.” Translation: “That is exactly what I mean: loans, accounts, bribery, patrons are filthy; our Hercules would find rivers.” +> He meant that the task is the cleansing of accumulated civic corruption, not a literal journey to Elis. Sceptic: “Ergo Fulvii ab Hercule didicerunt lavare rem publicam?” Translation: “So the Fulvii learned from Hercules to wash the republic?” +> He means to mock the family’s Herculean sacra as political self-advertisement. Fulvius: “Non lavare tantum; sordes videre prius.” Translation: “Not only to wash; first to see the filth.” +> He meant that the family’s Herculean claim is being converted into a moral-political competence: recognising and removing public corruption. This is close to Grice’s case because the literalist reply is wrong in the same way as “but the stables are not in Seattle.” It refuses the standard figurative uptake. But a more specifically Roman Fulvius might avoid Augeas and use Geryon/Cacus: Fulvius: “Boves Geryonis iterum quaerendi sunt.” Translation: “The cattle of Geryon must be sought again.” Sceptic: “Nulli boves per forum amissi sunt.” Translation: “No cattle have been lost through the forum.” +> The sceptic takes the myth literally and misses the civic allusion. Fulvius: “Quotiens praeda publica in speluncam abit, Cacus ridet.” Translation: “Whenever public spoil goes into a cave, Cacus laughs.” +> He meant that stolen public wealth and hidden spoils repeat the Cacus-pattern: theft concealed as possession. Sceptic: “Iam ergo omnis fur Cacus est?” Translation: “So now every thief is Cacus?” +> He suggests that the metaphor is overextended. Fulvius: “Non omnis; sed qui fumum facit ne vestigia appareant.” Translation: “Not every one; but the one who makes smoke so that the tracks may not appear.” +> He meant that the relevant analogy is not theft alone, but concealed theft made hard to trace. This version is less English-cliché and more Roman-antiquarian. It is not as instantly idiomatic as “Augean stables,” but it is more suitable for a gens claiming Herculean sacra, because Hercules in Italy is especially available through the Geryon cattle and Cacus episode. It also gives a nice Gricean structure: the sceptic hears cattle; Fulvius means public spoils and concealment. So the answer is: the Augean labour is the closest to Grice’s own example and the most conventional metaphor. Other labours can work, but only if the conversational background supplies the route. Hydra works for multiplying difficulties; Cacus/Geryon works for Romanised theft and recovery; Atlas may work for bearing an intolerable burden; Cerberus for dragging something from the underworld into public view. But one cannot assume all twelve are equally available. Metaphor is not mere substitution; it depends on shared uptake. Speranza’s dry formula would be: Fulvius may say he has cleaned the Augean stables only because no one civilised, except a philosopher on duty, thinks he has been to Elis. If he says he has fetched the mares of Diomedes, he had better explain himself before dinner.

 

 

Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fuo

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fuoco – Ossia: Grice e Fuoco: la ragione conversazionale.  Francesco Fuoco (Mignano, Terra di Lavoro, Mignano Monte Lungo, Caserta, Campania): la ragione conversazionale. Grice: “I love F.!” Keywords: rettorica conversazionale, il trivio – il latino, l’italiano. ESPOSIZIONE RAGIONATA D’UN METODO DI LATINITÀ ext t Si parta del Programma sul metodo di Latinità. sopra i passi di Cicerone, Salustio, e Virgilio Eloquenza Il passo questo, tratto dall’opuscolo de amicitia di Cicerone. iocedat bue tuooitat guaedam oportet termonum, atqui tnorum, haudquaquam mediocre condimentum amicitiae. Dagli allievi fu scritto cosi accettai huc guaedam Oportet termonum, atque morum, aut quamquam etc. Enron questi errori nati dalla dettatura mal’intesa o da qualche altra cagione? Gl’alunni nel dar conto del testo ccmiociarono dal leggerlo, siccome prescritto nel programma , é non sono corretti. Nel riportare questo accidente intendo di togliere ogni dritto contro il metodo ahi pur troppo si è dilettato di'screditarlo senza conoscerlo. Eloquènza, ÀI di cui solo usine -gale uà’ elogio.. Io però intendo di aver triofi- fato di essi » e delle loro. oscure detrazioni si- no a che Al giudizio col quale Io hanno onorato quei Dotti v se aneli’ Intanto io godo degli sforai che ho farti per invelale i giovani al lungo flagello (felle scuole y rendendo loro facile, breve, e piacevole il camino della vera latinità. LATINITÀ D LL’ ottavo al decimo Secolo bnjo irapenfr* trattile ravvolge le vicende d’Italia, e i tristi elfttli delle sue ìagmncvoli calamità; Déprà^ vati i costumi, soffogato il genio, e corrcttò ogni gusto, lahg-uide, e l’Italia abbarrtnnata all’ignoranza fu vittima delle violenze de’Goti, degl’Unni, degl’Alani, degli Svevi, dei Longobardi, e di altre masnade di simili depredatori. E fin d’ allora si contrasse quella rozzezza, e grossolaniià di pensare, e di esprimersi, che avevano i barbari coi qunli si conversa. Quindi la lingua del Lazio, corrotta dalle inoltiplici precedenti cagioni, sebben serbasse ancora qualche vestigio dell’antica sua bellezza, pure autlt’ e&amp;?a infine divenne del m ikgCmà 1’opere elementari anche per la lingua inglese, e greca. Grice, Corpus, 1930. Grice: You look as if you’ve been marched in from the provinces. Shropshire: I have. I’m the commoner. No scholarship. The College is letting me in on trust, which is a joke even I can hear. Grice: Then you’re in luck. Trust is Oxford’s chief currency and it’s always counterfeit. Shropshire: You’re the scholar, then. Fresh from Clifton. Latin chiselled into you with a cane. Grice: Chiselled, planed, varnished. Cicero, Sallust, Virgil. One can scarcely sneeze without declining a noun. Shropshire: Useful, is it, being flogged into latinity? Grice: Useful in the sense that having had it beaten into you, you can stop thinking about it and start thinking about something else. Shropshire: Philosophy, you mean. Grice: Precisely. Latin becomes second nature, if only after being acquired the hard way. Then philosophy can have the first go at one’s nerves. Shropshire: And Greek? Grice: Greek is just another piece of cake, provided you don’t mind the cake biting back. Shropshire: I’ve heard the old hands say Greats is designed to make you regret having eyes. Grice: Greats is designed to make you regret having thoughts. But it’s orderly regret. Shropshire: What are you reading? Grice: An Italian schoolmaster with a noble scheme and a very sharp ear for the ways boys go wrong. Shropshire: Italian? At Corpus? Grice: Oxford has always been an international machine for producing local smugness. Shropshire: Who is he? Grice: Francesco Fuoco. Shropshire: Name like a Bonfire Night. Grice: And a method like a drill-sergeant’s prayer. The book is titled Esposizione ragionata di un nuovo metodo di latinità. Shropshire: Say that again slowly, so it can take notes. Grice: Esposizione ragionata di un nuovo metodo di latinità. Shropshire: And what’s the point of it, besides making the title longer than the Latin it teaches? Grice: The point is not a new grammar as a list of rules. It’s a method. A programme. A way of getting pupils into Latin by set passages and disciplined procedure, and then diagnosing why they fail. Shropshire: Diagnosing boys is a thriving profession. Grice: Fuoco diagnoses two classics: dictation misconstrued, and reading avoided. He treats classroom failure as a technical matter, not as Original Sin. Shropshire: That already makes him more humane than my tutor. Grice: He builds the training around the usual triumvirate. Cicero, Sallust, Virgil. Shropshire: Your private household gods. Grice: Clifton’s public gods. Shropshire: My lot had Sallust mainly because it sounded like someone you could blame. Grice: Fuoco would say the blame belongs to a bad method, or worse, a method not followed. Shropshire: Oxford’s also fond of that: you’re not wrong, you’re merely not doing it properly. Grice: Fuoco’s noble endeavour is to make the road to latinity facile, breve, e piacevole. Shropshire: Easy, short, and pleasant. That’s not Latin, that’s advertising. Grice: Exactly. But he means it. He keeps returning to classroom mechanics, as if pedagogy were engineering. Shropshire: And is it? Grice: More than most dons admit. Shropshire: So, what are these “failure modes” he’s so proud of curing? Grice: First, dictation being misunderstood. Shropshire: That’s half of school. Grice: Second, the boys not reading the passage as prescribed, then reporting nonsense as if it were scholarship. Shropshire: That’s the other half. Grice: Clifton had a boy who turned Cicero into gibberish by ear. Shropshire: Give us an example. Go on. Something humiliating. Grice: Tutor dictated from De amicitia, meaning to say: “atque morum”. Shropshire: And? Grice: The boy wrote: “atqui tnorum”. Shropshire: Tnorum. Sounds like a barbarian tribe. Grice: Exactly Fuoco’s point. One misheard consonant and you’ve invited the Goths into the sentence. Shropshire: Did the tutor correct him? Grice: The tutor corrected him. The boy corrected the tutor by continuing to be the same boy. Shropshire: That’s dictation. What’s your other example? Grice: Virgil. Dictated line, and the class produced a word that doesn’t exist but has the air of having marched in with boots. Shropshire: Which word? Grice: “iocedat”. Shropshire: What was it meant to be? Grice: It was meant to be something Latin, and it became something like a sneeze. That is what happens when boys treat dictation as a sport rather than as reading. Shropshire: I’ve seen that. The invented word always looks bolder than the real one. Shropshire: Right. Now my contribution. Sallust. Wrong passage. Grice: Excellent. Ignorance with a source. Shropshire: Tutor says, “Sallust, Jugurtha.” The boy turns up with Catiline. Grice: That is not merely a mistake, that is a change of regime. Shropshire: He reads solemnly, like a bishop, and doesn’t notice the names are all wrong. Grice: And the tutor? Shropshire: The tutor asks, “When did Jugurtha become Catiline?” and the boy says, “Sir, I thought it was all Rome.” Grice: In a sense, he’s right. In a sense, he’s finished. Shropshire: Fuoco would have approved of the diagnosis, at least. Grice: Fuoco would have said: the pupil did not read what was prescribed. He substituted the general idea for the assigned text. Shropshire: Which is what undergraduates do in philosophy papers. Grice: Precisely why I like Fuoco. He is teaching, without meaning to, the same lesson that philosophy will later exact: you cannot replace the thing with your idea of the thing and call it knowledge. Shropshire: So you think Fuoco’s method is still alive in Clifton classrooms? Grice: Alive as a ghost. The programme, the set passages, the horror of dictation errors, the belief that a boy can be trained out of barbarism by ritual exposure to Cicero and friends. Shropshire: And does it work? Grice: It works insofar as anything works on a boy. It produces a certain kind of competence, and then you spend the rest of your life trying to get beyond mere competence. Shropshire: Why is this pleasing you so much? Grice: Because if Latin is already second nature, I can stop fearing it and use it as a tool. Then philosophy becomes possible. Shropshire: And if Latin isn’t second nature? Grice: Then philosophy becomes a kind of permanent translation exercise, and you waste half your strength on the engine rather than the journey. Shropshire: That’s me, then. Grice: That’s most of us, if we’re honest. Shropshire: You’ll be one of those fellows who quotes Cicero at dinner, won’t you. Grice: Only when I want the meat to arrive sooner. Shropshire: That’s honest. Grice: It’s cooperative. Shropshire: That a new philosophy word? Grice: Not yet. But Fuoco already knows the classroom version: if the method is followed, the boy does what is expected; if the boy does not, the whole enterprise collapses into noise. Shropshire: So latinity is a bargain. Grice: Exactly. A bargain with rules. And the interesting bit is what the bargain lets you leave unsaid without being misunderstood. Shropshire: You’re already doing it. Grice: Doing what? Shropshire: Turning a Latin pedagogue into a philosophy of conversation. Grice: That is what Oxford does. It takes a school exercise and extracts a metaphysic, then pretends it was born doing so. Shropshire: And your Italian’s full title again, for the record. Grice: Esposizione ragionata di un nuovo metodo di latinità. Shropshire: Noble endeavour indeed. Grice: Yes. And the trouble with noble endeavours is that they are always defeated, not by enemies, but by boys who mishear. Shropshire: And by boys who read the wrong Sallust. Grice: Exactly. Shropshire: Welcome to Corpus. Grice: Welcome to Rome, apparently. Shropshire: Where everyone is Rome. Grice: And nobody reads the set text unless forced.Grice: Caro Fuoco, ho letto la tua esposizione ragionata sul metodo di latinità. Dimmi, secondo te, la vera eloquenza nasce tra Cicerone e i barbari o basta una buona dettatura per salvarci dagli errori? Fuoco: Grice, ti confesso che a volte bastano più errori che barbari per mettere a dura prova la latinità! Ma per fortuna, qualche vestigio dell’antica bellezza resiste sempre, anche tra le rovine di una dettatura malintesa. Grice: Allora, Fuoco, la conversazione tra noi filosofi è come un cammino tra Goti e Unni: facile smarrirsi, ma se si trova la via breve e piacevole, forse anche gli allievi si salvano dal flagello della rozzezza! Fuoco: Hai ragione, Grice! In fondo, la vera latinità è un viaggio tra calamità e genio soffocato; ma se si riesce a conversare con un po’ di buonumore, anche il latino torna a sorridere... e magari salva pure qualche inglese! Fuoco, Francesco (1820). Esposizione ragionata di un nuovo metodo di latinità. Napoli: Amula.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fundanio – Ossia: Grice e Fundanio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fundanio. Denarius of Gaius Fundanius, 101 BC. The obverse depicts the head of Roma, while the reverse depicts Gaius Marius as triumphator in a chariot; the young man on horseback is probably his son. Marius was awarded this triumph for his victory over the Teutoni. The Fundanii are a family at Ancient Rome. Although members of this gens occur well into imperial times, and Gaius F. Fundulus obtained the consulship in BC 243, the F. were never amongst the more important families of the Roman state. F. is derived from the surname Fundanus, originally designating a resident of Fundi, a city of southern Latium, which was granted civitas sine suffragio at the close of the Latin War. The ancestors of the F. probably came to Rome from Fundi, perhaps soon after the conclusion of the Latin War. The main praenomina of the F. were Gaius and Marcus. Other praenomina appear occasionally, including Quintus among the earliest of the F., and Lucius in imperial times. All of these were very common names throughout Roman history.  The only cognomen used by the F. under the Republic is Fundulus, a sausage, belonging to a large class of surnames derived from the names of familiar objects and animals.[1][3] Lamia, a surname of Lucius F. Aelianus, consul, was inherited from the Aelia gens, where it was a regular cognomen. F. Funduli Quintus F. Fundulus, grandfather of Gaius F. Fundulus, the consul.[5] Gaius F. Q. f. Fundulus, the father of Gaius F. Fundulus.[5] Gaius F. C. f. Q. n. Fundulus, consul. As plebeian aedile, he and his colleague, Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus, had impeached Claudia, daughter of Appius Claudius Caecus, and imposed a heavy fine, which was used to build a temple to Libertas on the Aventine Hill. As consul, F. went into Sicily to oppose Hamilcar Barca during the First Punic War. After first refusing Hamilcar's request for a truce for the interment of the dead, F. relented and asked Hamilcar for the same terms, which the Carthaginian granted. Marcus F. Fundulus, plebeian aedile in 213 BC, together with his colleague, Lucius Villius Tappulus, accused certain Roman matrons before the comitia tributa of a disorderly life, and procured their banishment.[9] Others Marcus F., tribune of the plebs, together with his colleague, Lucius Valerius, proposed the abolition of the lex Oppia, a sumptuary law restricting the dress and manners of Roman women. They were opposed by the tribunes Marcus and Publius Junius Brutus, and by the consul Marcus Porcius Cato, but were vigorously supported by the Roman matrons, and by the other consul, Lucius Valerius Flaccus; and the law was rescinded. Gaius F., quaestor in 101 BC. He minted coins during his magistracy, which show his support of Gaius Marius. He was the first moneyer to depict a living Roman on coins.[11] Gaius F. C. f., father-in-law of Marcus Terentius Varro, in whose dialogue De Re Rustica he appears as one of the speakers. From Varro's description it appears that F. was a scholar, who was acquainted with at least the statistics of agriculture. Varro also cited him in one of his philological treatises. He was probably senator and tribune of the plebs. Fundania C. f. C. n., the wife of Varro, had purchased an estate, and Varro composed his three books, De Re Rustica, as a manual for her instruction in its management. The first book, De Agricultura, is dedicated to her.[17] Marcus F., defended by TULLIO Cicero. The fragments of Cicero's oration do not enable us to understand either the nature of the charge or the result of the trial. Cicero's brother, Quintus, wrote that F. would be of service to TULLIO Cicero in his upcoming election for the consulship. He may be the same F. mentioned by Quintus when he was serving as proconsul of Asia in 59.[18][19] Gaius F. (M. f.), a friend of Cicero; possibly the same as the eques Gaius F., who deserted Gnaeus Pompeius a few days before the Battle of Ategua, and went over to Giulio Caesar.[20][21] Marcus F., known from lead tokens he minted in Spain in the first century BC.[22] Gaius F., a writer of comedies in the age of Augustus. ORAZIO praises his management of the slaves and intrigantes of the comic drama.[23] Lucius F. Lamia Aelianus, consul in AD 116, during the reign of Trajan, and governor of Asia from 131 to 132. The route of his descent from the F. is unclear, but the nomen was passed down to several of his descendants.[24][25][26][27] Fundania L. f., wife of Marcus Annius Libo, the uncle of Marcus Aurelius. She had two children: Marcus Annius Libo, legate in Syria in AD 162, and Annia Fundania Faustina. After the elder Libo's death, Lucius Verus gave Fundania in marriage to Agaclytus, a freedman of Marcus Aurelius, quite against the latter's wishes.[28] Annia Fundania Faustina, married Titus Pomponius Proculus Vitrasius Pollio, consul in AD 151, and was the mother of Titus F. Vitrasius Pollio, and Vitrasia Faustina. Both of Faustina's children were put to death by Commodus, ostensibly for conspiring against him, while Faustina herself was put to death on Commodus' orders, not long before his assassination.[29][30] Titus F. Vitrasius Pollio, put to death along with his sister, Vitrasia Faustina, in AD 182, on the orders of his cousin, the emperor Commodus, who believed that they were conspiring against him. See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. 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Categories: FundaniiRoman gentes For this gens we can have separate entries for (I) -- you provide your favourite for (II) -- the Hannibal interlocutor: Hannibal (grossly): Corpses rot. Can we inter them? F. No. (Two weeks). F.: Yes. Hannibal: Thanks. F.: Can I inter my corpses now -- is this Roman patriotism revisited? Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fundanio – Ossia: Grice e Fundanio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fundanio. For the Fundanii, four entries would work best, but the Hannibal/Fundulus episode is the obvious Grice-Speranza jewel. As a first entry, I would take Gaius Fundanius the moneyer of 101 BC, because his denarius already raises a question about representation, uptake, and political meaning. The coin seems to show Roma on the obverse and Marius as triumphator on the reverse, with a young horseman probably Marius’s son. If so, Fundanius is not merely minting money; he is helping money speak Marian victory. The coin circulates the image before any speaker explains it. It is a tiny non-verbal political utterance: “Marius is triumphator; Rome recognises it; remember the Teutoni.” For Grice, that is a useful material sign-system: not natural meaning, but public, conventional, politically intended meaning stamped into silver.

 

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fundanio – Ossia: Grice e Fundanio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fundanio. For the Hannibal interlocutor, the Fundanius is Gaius Fundanius Fundulus, consul in 243 BC, fighting Hamilcar Barca in Sicily during the First Punic War, not Hannibal. So the dramatic dyad should really be Hamilcar and Fundulus. The summary says Fundulus first refused Hamilcar’s request for a truce to bury the dead, then later relented and, when he himself needed the same favour, Hamilcar granted it. A reconstructed exchange could be: Hamilcar: “Cadavera tabescunt. Indutiae petuntur, ut mortuos sepeliamus.” “The corpses are rotting. A truce is requested, so that we may bury the dead.” +> He meant that burial is being framed as a human and religious necessity, not as a military advantage. Fundulus: “Nego. Hostis etiam mortuus causae suae servit.” “I refuse. Even a dead enemy serves his cause.” +> He meant that compassion must not be allowed to interrupt Roman military pressure; the dead are still part of the war’s economy. Hamilcar: “Non cum corporibus pugnas, Fundule.” “You are not fighting with bodies, Fundulus.” +> He meant that Fundulus is confusing severity with strategy and treating burial as if it were an enemy manoeuvre. Fundulus: “Romanus prius vincit; postea parcit.” “A Roman conquers first; afterwards he spares.” +> He meant that mercy before victory looks like weakness, whereas mercy after superiority can be displayed as Roman virtue. Then, after the reversal: Fundulus: “Nunc nostri iacent. Licetne sepelire?” “Now our men lie dead. May we bury them?” +> He meant that the same human claim he had refused is now unavoidable when Roman bodies require it. Hamilcar: “Licet. Non didici a te, sed a fortuna.” “You may. I learned it not from you, but from fortune.” +> He meant that the Carthaginian grants what the Roman denied, and that fortune has exposed Fundulus’s earlier severity as situational rather than principled. Fundulus: “Hostis humanior?” “An enemy more humane?” +> He meant that Roman patriotism has been embarrassingly outperformed by Punic reciprocity. Hamilcar: “Mortui patriam non mutant.” “The dead do not change their fatherland.” +> He meant that burial honours the dead as human and civic beings without requiring political friendship between enemies. The Grice-Speranza analysis is that the first “No” is Roman patriotism in its severe, almost stupid form: it refuses to let an enemy request be heard under any description other than military advantage. Hamilcar says “bury the dead”; Fundulus hears “pause the war.” The second scene exposes the poverty of that uptake. When Roman corpses rot, Fundulus needs the very description he had rejected: burial as a human, religious, and martial duty independent of victory. So yes, it is “Roman patriotism revisited,” but revisited by humiliation. The interesting point is not that Fundulus becomes tender. It is that the Carthaginian forces him to distinguish ferocity from honour. Hamilcar’s courtesy makes Fundulus’s earlier Roman severity look less like virtus and more like bad pragmatics. Speranza’s dry formulation would be: Fundulus first thought that “Can we bury our dead?” meant “Can we have a military advantage?” Later, when he needed to utter the same sentence, he discovered that it had another meaning after all. Grice would call that a lesson in occasion-meaning. Hamilcar merely called it burial.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fundanio – Ossia: Grice e Fundanio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fundanio. Why did you say Four Entries would work best? I already titled them! You are right — that was my over-expansion. You had already fixed the architecture: two entries, not four. For the Fundanii as you titled them, the clean division should be: I. The Fundanius you designate — for example the coin/moneyer or whichever first entry you already set. II. Gaius Fundanius Fundulus and Hamilcar — the burial-truce episode. My “four entries” remark came from noticing several tempting Fundanian sub-cases in the gens list: the moneyer, Fundulus, the aedile with the matrons, and Varro’s Fundanius/Fundania. But that was me thinking classificatorily when you had already imposed the desired Speranzian economy. So yes: ignore “four.” The better rule is: to each titled Fulvio/Fundanio his implicature, and no extra Roman census unless invited. For the Hannibal point, I should also keep the correction visible: the interlocutor is Hamilcar Barca, not Hannibal, since the episode belongs to the First Punic War. But if the dialogue is being made deliberately “Hannibalic” in tone — the great Punic enemy as Roman memory likes to hear him — that can be flagged as Speranzian compression. Historically: Hamilcar. Dramatically: the Punic commander. The entry should therefore not multiply. It should say, in effect: Fundulus first refuses burial as though mercy were a military concession; later, needing the same convention for Roman dead, he discovers that burial was never merely Carthaginian advantage but a human and military practice whose meaning he had misread. That is the Gricean point, and it fits your second title without needing cousins, in-laws, or a sausage-cognomen appendix. Too late now! proceed with the aedile and Varro then! Thanks! The aedile Fundanius gives Speranza a case in which Roman moral speech becomes almost indistinguishable from municipal housekeeping. Marcus Fundanius, as plebeian aedile in 213 BC, together with Lucius Villius Tappulus, prosecuted certain Roman matrons before the comitia tributa for a disorderly way of life and procured their banishment. The case is attractive because the charge is morally resonant but legally foggy. “Disorderly life” is not yet a neat offence; it is a phrase waiting for Roman public uptake to make it sharper. The aedile’s utterance does not merely describe conduct. It invites the tribes to hear domestic irregularity as civic danger. In that sense Fundanius is less a policeman of bedrooms than a manager of public implicature: if matrons cease to be decorous, the city is already being disordered somewhere more embarrassing than the forum. A reconstructed exchange might go as follows. Fundanius: Matronae illae non domos tantum turbaverunt, sed mores populi. Translation: “Those matrons have disturbed not only households, but the morals of the people.” +> He meant that private conduct is to be redescribed as public disorder, and therefore brought within aedilician concern. Matrona: Si domus mea est, quid ad comitia pertinet? Translation: “If it is my house, what has it to do with the assembly?” +> She meant that Fundanius is illicitly converting private life into public charge. Fundanius: Ubi matrona exemplum fit, ibi domus iam forum est. Translation: “Where a matron becomes an example, there the house is already a forum.” +> He meant that elite female conduct has public meaning because it is socially legible and imitable. Villius Tappulus: Non poenam quaerimus, sed ordinem reducimus. Translation: “We do not seek punishment, but restore order.” +> He meant that banishment is being softened as civic correction rather than vengeance. Matrona: Ergo ex urbe pellor, ne urbs discat vivere? Translation: “So I am driven from the city, lest the city learn how to live?” +> She exposes the moral paternalism of the proceeding: her exclusion is presented as the price of preserving others’ discipline. Fundanius: Urbs interdum minus audit quam videt. Translation: “The city sometimes hears less than it sees.” +> He meant that exemplary punishment communicates more powerfully than argument. The banishment is itself a public sign. The Grice/Speranza point is that the aedile’s case depends on converting visibility into meaning. The matrons’ conduct is not merely conduct; it is said to signify civic decay. Fundanius is therefore not only prosecuting women but controlling the interpretation of their social appearance. “Disorderly life” means what the magistrate can persuade the comitia to take it as meaning. A private scandal becomes a public lesson once the state supplies the caption.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fundanio – Ossia: Grice e Fundanio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fundanio. The Varro Fundanius is a much gentler and more attractive figure. Gaius Fundanius, father-in-law of Varro, appears in De Re Rustica as a speaker and as a man sufficiently competent in agricultural matters to be treated as conversationally useful. He is not a comic rustic, nor a mere landowner with opinions. He is one of those Roman figures in whom property, learning, household interest, and technical talk meet. Since Varro dedicates the first book to his wife Fundania, who had purchased an estate, the family setting matters. Agriculture is not abstract science; it is advice given because someone must manage land. A reconstructed exchange might be: Varro: Fundani, Fundania fundum emit; opus est doctrina, non tantum vilico. Translation: “Fundanius, Fundania has bought an estate; she needs instruction, not merely a bailiff.” +> He meant that ownership without rational management is insufficient. The estate must be made intelligible through discourse. Fundanius: Fundus non intellegitur ex titulo. Translation: “An estate is not understood from the title-deed.” +> He meant that legal possession is not practical knowledge. To own land is not yet to know how it yields. Varro: Quid igitur primum discendum est? Translation: “What then must first be learned?” +> Varro invites technical ordering, not anecdotal rural wisdom. Fundanius: Terra interroganda est: ubi sit, quid ferat, quid recuset. Translation: “The land must be questioned: where it lies, what it bears, what it refuses.” +> He meant that farming is interpretive. The land gives signs, but only the informed manager can read them. Varro: Ergo agricola est quasi interpres? Translation: “So the farmer is, as it were, an interpreter?” +> Varro draws the Gricean moral: agriculture is a discipline of reading natural and practical signs. Fundanius: Immo bonus agricola minus iubet quam intellegit. Translation: “Rather, the good farmer commands less than he understands.” +> He meant that successful management depends less on domination than on recognising constraints, seasons, soils, labour, and use. For Grice and Speranza, Varro’s Fundanius is attractive because rural knowledge is conversational knowledge disciplined by things. The estate does not “mean” in Grice’s non-natural sense, but it gives signs: soil, weather, vines, animals, labour, yield, failure. The manager must not treat these as brute facts only; he must gather from them what is to be done. Varro’s dialogue turns agriculture into civilised inquiry: one asks, one answers, one distinguishes, one classifies, one learns how not to be deceived by appearances, or by a bailiff with excellent handwriting. The dry closing is that the two extra Fundanii now justify their intrusion. The aedile Fundanius shows public morality as coercive interpretation: the city decides what female conduct is to mean. Varro’s Fundanius shows rural management as cooperative interpretation: the land is made intelligible through disciplined conversation. One banishes matrons for what Rome is invited to infer from them; the other teaches an estate-owner what may reasonably be inferred from soil, season, and stock. Both are Gricean, though only one is safe to invite to dinner.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fundanio – Ossia: Grice e Fundanio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Fundanio. and you may provide a fifth just to adjust a thing or two. In the Griceian dyad we have A: p; B: q -- or something. Usually Grice coneptualises implication or implicature as a conditional: by explicitly conveying that p, Utterer means that q. That's why I was asking you to use the symbol "+>" as short for (implicature) as used by Levinson in Pragmatics. And when I said "U meant that" I gave that as a clue. The thing is actually easier than it souds: A: Bellum dies (Lovely day)--you don't have to write: "Translation" (I can see that). B: Verum (Indeed) +> I hope you are glad pleasantries are aptly reciprocated. -- Thanks! Yes — this is the better format. The implicature should attach to the preceding move as a conditional, not as a diffuse commentary. Something like: A: “Bellus dies.” B: “Verum.” +> B meant that A’s pleasantry has been recognised and reciprocated as a pleasantry. Or, if one wants the Griceian schema made visible: A: “Bellus dies.” B: “Verum.” +> By explicitly conveying that A is right about the day, B meant that A’s social opening had been accepted. For the fifth Fundanius, then, one could use Varro’s Fundanius precisely to fix the notation: Varro: “Fundania fundum emit.” Fundanius: “Fundus titulo non intellegitur.” +> By explicitly conveying that an estate is not understood by its title-deed, Fundanius meant that ownership is not yet agricultural knowledge. Varro: “Quid igitur primum discendum?” Fundanius: “Terra interroganda est.” +> By explicitly conveying that the land must be questioned, Fundanius meant that the good estate-owner must learn to read signs of soil, season, stock, and labour. Varro: “Agricola igitur interpres est?” Fundanius: “Bonus agricola minus iubet quam intellegit.” +> By explicitly conveying that the good farmer commands less than he understands, Fundanius meant that rural management is not domination but informed uptake. This is cleaner because the +> clause is always English, always follows the relevant utterance, and always has the “U meant that p” force, even where the words “meant that” are varied for style. The Latin dialogue can remain compact. No “Translation:” label is needed unless there is some real philological risk. The implicature line does the explanatory work. well, yes, but to save space, we should not have to specify our tutee the obvious -- and I would shorten all that to: A: Bellus dies ("Lovely day"); B: Verum ("Indeed") +> Your pleasantry has been recognised and reciprocated as a pleasantry. The implicature is thus aimed at the co-conversationalist -- and my previous indications was that we should take care of making the message have a propositional form rather than "Cheers" -- in this case: (that) (not written) your pleasantry (i. e. that's what U means to interlocutor) has been recognised and reciprocrated as a pleasantry. So you may adjust your F. now? Thanks Yes — the compact notation is the right one, and I should adjust Fundanius accordingly. The +> line should be a propositional uptake, aimed at the interlocutor, not an essay-note explaining the machinery. For Fundanius and Hamilcar, then: Hamilcar: “Cadavera tabescunt. Indutias peto, ut mortuos sepeliamus” (“The corpses are rotting. I ask a truce, so that we may bury the dead.”) Fundulus: “Nego” (“I refuse.”) +> Your request is being treated as a military advantage, not as a human or religious necessity. Hamilcar: “Non cum corporibus pugnas, Fundule” (“You are not fighting with bodies, Fundulus.”) Fundulus: “Romanus prius vincit; postea parcit” (“A Roman conquers first; afterwards he spares.”) +> Your appeal to burial has been heard, but only victory is to make mercy permissible. Two weeks later: Fundulus: “Nunc nostri iacent. Licetne sepelire?” (“Now our men lie dead. May we bury them?”) Hamilcar: “Licet” (“You may.”) +> Your own earlier refusal will not be returned against you. Fundulus: “Hostis humanior?” (“An enemy more humane?”) Hamilcar: “Mortui patriam non mutant” (“The dead do not change their fatherland.”) +> Your dead remain Roman, but burial is not thereby made an enemy privilege. For Marcus Fundanius the aedile: Fundanius: “Matronae illae non domos tantum turbaverunt, sed mores populi” (“Those matrons have disturbed not only households, but the morals of the people.”) Matrona: “Si domus mea est, quid ad comitia pertinet?” (“If it is my house, what has it to do with the assembly?”) +> Your prosecution is being challenged as a conversion of private life into public charge. Fundanius: “Ubi matrona exemplum fit, ibi domus iam forum est” (“Where a matron becomes an example, there the house is already a forum.”) Matrona: “Ergo ex urbe pellor, ne urbs discat vivere?” (“So I am driven from the city, lest the city learn how to live?”) +> Your banishment is being exposed as exemplary punishment, not merely legal correction. For Varro’s Fundanius: Varro: “Fundania fundum emit” (“Fundania has bought an estate.”) Fundanius: “Fundus titulo non intellegitur” (“An estate is not understood from the title-deed.”) +> Your ownership is not yet agricultural knowledge. Varro: “Quid igitur primum discendum?” (“What then must first be learned?”) Fundanius: “Terra interroganda est” (“The land must be questioned.”) +> Your estate must be read through soil, season, stock, and labour before it can be managed. Varro: “Agricola igitur interpres est?” (“So the farmer is an interpreter?”) Fundanius: “Bonus agricola minus iubet quam intellegit” (“The good farmer commands less than he understands.”) +> Your management must begin with uptake, not domination. And the general formatting rule is now clear: short dyad or triad, Latin utterance plus parenthetical English, then +> followed by the interlocutor-directed proposition. No “Translation:” label unless needed, and no long explanation where the implicature itself can do the work. Great. and to even save MORE space. I wouldn't use ":" after name of conversant. Just a dot. FULVIUS. then I would not use double quotes for either Latin or English in bracketed translation. And then I would not have ENTER and next line for implicature but same line alla: F. Verum (Indeed) +> I am hereby reciprocating your implicature. Thanks! Yes — compact house-style noted. The format should be: FULVIUS. Bellus dies (Lovely day) FULVIUS ALTER. Verum (Indeed) +> Your pleasantry has been recognised and reciprocated as a pleasantry. So for the Fundanii, adjusted: HAMILCAR. Cadavera tabescunt. Indutias peto, ut mortuos sepeliamus (The corpses are rotting. I ask a truce, so that we may bury the dead) FUNDULUS. Nego (I refuse) +> Your request is being treated as military advantage, not as human or religious necessity. HAMILCAR. Non cum corporibus pugnas, Fundule (You are not fighting with bodies, Fundulus) FUNDULUS. Romanus prius vincit; postea parcit (A Roman conquers first; afterwards he spares) +> Your appeal to burial has been heard, but only victory is to make mercy permissible. FUNDULUS. Nunc nostri iacent. Licetne sepelire? (Now our men lie dead. May we bury them?) HAMILCAR. Licet (You may) +> Your earlier refusal will not be returned against you. FUNDULUS. Hostis humanior? (An enemy more humane?) HAMILCAR. Mortui patriam non mutant (The dead do not change their fatherland) +> Your dead remain Roman, but burial is not thereby made an enemy privilege. And for the aedile: FUNDANIUS. Matronae illae non domos tantum turbaverunt, sed mores populi (Those matrons have disturbed not only households, but the morals of the people) MATRONA. Si domus mea est, quid ad comitia pertinet? (If it is my house, what has it to do with the assembly?) +> Your prosecution is being challenged as a conversion of private life into public charge. FUNDANIUS. Ubi matrona exemplum fit, ibi domus iam forum est (Where a matron becomes an example, there the house is already a forum) MATRONA. Ergo ex urbe pellor, ne urbs discat vivere? (So I am driven from the city, lest the city learn how to live?) +> Your banishment is being exposed as exemplary punishment, not merely legal correction. And Varro’s Fundanius: VARRO. Fundania fundum emit (Fundania has bought an estate) FUNDANIUS. Fundus titulo non intellegitur (An estate is not understood from the title-deed) +> Your ownership is not yet agricultural knowledge. VARRO. Quid igitur primum discendum? (What then must first be learned?) FUNDANIUS. Terra interroganda est (The land must be questioned) +> Your estate must be read through soil, season, stock, and labour before it can be managed. VARRO. Agricola igitur interpres est? (So the farmer is an interpreter?) FUNDANIUS. Bonus agricola minus iubet quam intellegit (The good farmer commands less than he understands) +> Your management must begin with uptake, not domination. This keeps the implicature propositional, interlocutor-directed, and compact; no colons, no quotation marks, no separate implicature line unless readability absolutely demands it. Well, you can keep two lines for each interlocutor -- but when I insert the thing in text I usually go direct so that each entry is more condensed. I would however keep stops. So that this could be: FVLVIVS. Bellus dies. (Lovely day.) MARCVS. Verum. (Indeed.) +> Your perspicacity never fails to divert me. Thanks Yes. That is the compact convention I will follow: FVLVIVS. Bellus dies. (Lovely day.) MARCVS. Verum. (Indeed.) +> Your perspicacity never fails to divert me. So the rules now are: Names in capitals, followed by a full stop. Latin sentence, full stop. Parenthetic English, also punctuated. Implicature on the same final line, after +>. The +> content is in English only, propositional, and directed to the co-conversationalist. Two speaker lines are allowed for readability, but no extra explanatory scaffolding unless needed. For example, adjusted Fundanius style: HAMILCAR. Cadavera tabescunt; indutias peto, ut mortuos sepeliamus. (The corpses are rotting; I ask a truce, so that we may bury the dead.) FVNDVLVS. Nego. (I refuse.) +> Your request is being treated as military advantage, not as human or religious necessity. FVNDVLVS. Nunc nostri iacent; licetne sepelire? (Now our men lie dead; may we bury them?) HAMILCAR. Licet. (You may.) +> Your earlier refusal will not be returned against you. Or Acculeius: ACCVLEIVS. Lupa mammas habuit; Acca sermonem. (The wolf had teats; Acca had speech.) SCEPTICVS. Tum linguam nutricis vocas linguam matris? (Then you call the nurse’s language the mother tongue?) +> Your analytic confidence about mother tongue is being made to depend on a biological accident. That keeps it sharp, insertable, and suitably dry.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Furio – Ossia: Grice e Furio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Furio -- Marcus F. Camillus, detail of a fresco by Domenico Ghirlandaio. The Furii, originally written Fusii, and sometimes found as Fourii on coins, was one of the most ancient and noble patrician houses at Rome. Its members held the highest offices of the state throughout the period of the Roman Republic. The first of the Furii to attain the consulship was Sextus Furius in 488 BC.[1]  Origin The antiquity of the Furii is confirmed by the ancient form of the nomen, Fusius, found in the earliest days of the Republic. A similar process derived the nomina Papirius, Valerius and Veturius from Papisius, Valesius and Vetusius. This change probably occurred after the orthographic reform of Appius Claudius Caecus, passed during his censorship in 312 BC.[2][3] History leaves us in darkness as to the origin of the Furia gens. A legendary figure named Spurius Fusius appears representing the Roman priests in the time of Tullus Hostilius. From sepulchral inscriptions found at Tusculum, we see that the name Furius was very common at that place, and hence it is generally inferred that the Furia gens, like the Fulvia, had come from Tusculum.[1][4]  As the first member of the gens that occurs in history, Sextus Furius, BC 488, is only five years later than the treaty of isopolity which Spurius Cassius Vecellinus concluded with the Latins, to whom the Tusculans belonged, the supposition of the Tusculan origin of the Furia gens does not appear at all improbable. However, the cognomen Medullinus, which belonged to the oldest branch of the gens, may indicate that the family came from the ancient Latin city of Medullia, which was conquered by Ancus Marcius, the fourth King of Rome, toward the end of the 7th century BC.[1][5]  The nomen Furius is a patronymic surname derived from Fusus, apparently an ancient praenomen that had fallen out of use before historical times. This name was preserved, however, as a cognomen used by many of the early Furii, including the families of the Medullini and the Pacili.[1][4]  Praenomina The principal names used by members of this family are Lucius, Spurius, Publius, Marcus, Agrippa, Sextus, and Quintus. The Furii Pacili used Gaius, a name not used by other branches of the gens.  Other praenomina appear towards the end of the Republic, and may represent plebeian branches of the family. The Furii Brocchi are distinguished by their use of Gnaeus and Titus. A poet during the late second century BC bore the praenomen Aulus, while a Furius of equestrian rank during the time of Cicero was named Numerius.[1]  Branches and cognomina  Denarius of Furius Purpureo, 169-158 BC. On the obverse is the head of Roma. The reverse shows Luna driving a biga, with a murex-shell above.[6] The cognomina of this gens are Aculeo, Bibaculus, Brocchus, Camillus, Crassipes, Fusus, Luscus, Medullinus, Pacilus, Philus, and Purpureo. The only cognomina that occur on coins are Brocchus, Crassipes, Philus, and Purpureo.[1]  The oldest branch of the Furii bore the surname Medullinus, which may indicate that they had originally come from the Latin town of Medullia.[1][7] All of the early Medullini probably bore the additional surname Fusus, probably an ancient praenomen that had fallen out of use before historical times, from which the nomen Furius (originally Fusius) was derived.[i][4] This surname was also borne by the Furii Pacili, who were probably a cadet branch of the Medullini; Chase considers Pacilus a surname of Oscan origin, suggesting that this branch of the family had Sabine connections.[8] Fusus was probably applicable to all of the early Furii, but was sometimes dropped or used in place of other surnames. Those Furii mentioned without any surname other than Fusus probably belonged to either the Medullini or the Pacili, and did not constitute a separate family.[1]  The Furii Camilli were descended from the dictator Marcus Furius Camillus, one of the most famous heroes of the early Republic, credited both with the final defeat of Veii, and with driving the Gauls from Rome following the Gallic sack of Rome in 390 BC.[9] He was a younger son of Lucius Furius Medullinus Fusus, who had thrice served as consular tribune. A camillus was a youth entrusted with certain religious obligations, a role likely to be filled by the younger son of a prominent magistrate.[10] The family then vanishes during the last three centuries of the Republic, but reappears under the early Empire. According to Ronald Syme, their fortune was restored by Augustus, who tried to revive several impoverished patrician families.[11]  Of the other surnames borne by families of the Furii, Aculeo, "sharp", is probably derived from aculeus, a spur;[7] Bibaculus originally referred to a tippler;[12] Brocchus to someone with prominent teeth;[13] Crassipes means "thick-footed";[14] Luscus "one-eyed";[13] and Philus is borrowed from the Greek Φιλος.[15]  The cognomen Purpureo, "rosy, purple", might originally have referred to a person's complexion, but may also have alluded to the family's wealth and influence, or some trading connection; a coin of this family depicts a murex-shell, the source of the expensive dye Tyrian purple, with which the most luxurious clothing was coloured. The toga picta, originally worn by the Roman kings, and later by triumphant generals, and the broad stripe of the toga praetexta, worn by senators and curule magistrates, were dyed with Tyrian purple. A similar reference to togae was made by a family of the patrician gens Sulpicia, which bore the cognomen Praetextatus.[14][6]  There are some persons bearing the gentile name Furius, who were plebeians, since they are mentioned as tribunes of the plebs; and those persons either had gone over from the patricians to the plebeians, or they were descended from freedmen or a particular family of the Furii, as is expressly stated in the case of one of them.[1]  Members This list includes abbreviated praenomina. For an explanation of this practice, see filiation. Early Fusii Spurius Fusius, appointed by the Roman priests to undertake a ritual oath on behalf of the city prior to the combat of the Horatii and the Curiatii, during the reign of Tullus Hostilius.[16] Furii Fusi Sextus Furius, consul in 488 BC. He is listed by Festus in 486 BC, possibly a military tribune, as one of a group who was burned for conspiring with the consul Spurius Cassius.[17][18][19] Spurius Furius Fusus, consul in 481 BC. Sextus Furius Fusus, father of Agrippa Furius Fusus, the consular tribune of 391 BC. Marcus Furius Fusus, consular tribune in 403 BC.[20][21] Agrippa Furius Sex. f. Fusus, consular tribune in 391 BC.[20][22] Furii Medullini Lucius Furius Medullinus Fusus, consul in 474 BC. Publius Furius Medullinus Fusus, consul in 472 BC. He was one of the triumviri agro dando who were appointed to assign land to the Roman colonists after the capture of Antium, in 467 BC. In 464, he served as legate under his brother, Spurius, and was slain in the Aequian war.[23][24][25] Spurius Furius Medullinus Fusus, consul in 464 BC, conducted war against the Aequi. Agrippa Furius Fusus, consul in 446 BC. Lucius Furius S. f. Medullinus Fusus, the father of Camillus, was consular tribune in 432, 425, and 420 BC.[26] Lucius Furius L. f. S. n. Medullinus, the elder brother of Camillus, was consul in 413 and 409 BC, and consular tribune in 407, 405, 398, 397, 395, 394, and 391 BC. Spurius Furius L. f. S. n. Medullinus, also a brother of Camillus, was consular tribune in 400 BC.[20] Lucius Furius S. f. L. n. Medullinus, consular tribune in 381 and 370 BC, and censor in 363 BC. Spurius Furius S. f. L. n. Medullinus, consular tribune in 378 BC, commanded in the war with the Volsci of Antium.[27] Furii Camilli Marcus Furius L. f. S. n. Camillus, consular tribune in 401, 398, 394, 386, 384, and 381 BC, and dictator in 396, 390, 389, 368, and 367 BC. Spurius Furius M. f. L. n. Camillus, the son of Camillus, was one of the first praetors appointed following the creation of the office in 367 BC.[28][29] Lucius Furius M. f. L. n. Camillus, dictator in 350 and consul in 349 BC. Lucius Furius S. f. M. n. Camillus, consul in 338 and 325 BC. Marcus Furius P. f. P. n. Camillus, consul in AD 8. Furia M. f. P. n. Camilla, afterward Livia Medullina Camilla, betrothed to the young Claudius, died on the day that she and the future emperor were to wed. Marcus Furius M. f. P. n. Camillus Scribonianus, afterward Lucius Arruntius Camillus Scribonianus, consul in AD 32, instigated a revolt against Claudius in 42, but was quickly defeated and sent into exile. Furius L. f. L. n. Camillus Scribonianus, exiled in AD 53, for having consulted the Chaldeans about the time when the emperor Claudius was to die.[30] Furii Pacili Quintus Furius Pacilus Fusus, Pontifex Maximus in 449 BC, held the comitia at which the tribunes of the plebs were appointed. His two cognomina are not securely attested.[31][32] Gaius Furius Pacilus Fusus, consul in 441 BC, and consular tribune in 426 BC. Gaius Furius C. f. Pacilus, consul in 412 BC. Gaius Furius C. f. C. n. Pacilus, consul in 251 BC. during the First Punic War. Furii Phili  Denarius of Marcus Furius Philus, 119 BC. The obverse bears a head of Janus, while on the reverse Victoria, carrying a sceptre, places a wreath on a military trophy decorated with Gallic equipment and carnyces. Marcus Furius Philus, grandfather of Publius Furius Philus, the consul of 223 BC. Spurius Furius M. f. Philus, the father of Publius, the consul of 223 BC. Publius Furius S. f. M. n. Philus, praetor circa 224 BC and in 216, consul in 223, censor in 214. He received a triumph for his victories over the Gauls during his consulship. He was also augur when he died in 213.[33] Publius Furius P. f. S. n. Philus, informed Scipio of the design of Lucius Caecilius Metellus and others to abandon Rome after the Battle of Cannae.[34] Publius Furius Philus, praetor in 174 BC, then promagistrate in Hispania Citerior in 173 and 172. At his return to Rome in 171, he was accused of extortion by some Spanish allies and chose to go into exile in Praeneste.[35][36] Lucius Furius Philus, triumvir monetalis between 189 and 180 BC. Praetor in 171, he obtained Sardinia as his province. He also became pontiff in 176, serving until his death in 170.[37][38][39] Lucius Furius Philus, consul in 136 BC.[40] Marcus Furius L. f. Philus, triumvir monetalis in 119 BC. His coins commemorate the victory of Quintus Fabius Maximus over the Allobroges the previous year.[41] Furii Bibaculi Furius Bibaculus, magister of the Salii, and father of Lucius Furius Bibaculus, the praetor.[42] Lucius Furius Bibaculus, praetor between 226 and 219 BC. Like his father, he was one of the Salian priests, and continued to perform his religious duties during his magistracy.[43][42] Lucius Furius L. f. Bibaculus, a quaestor, fell in the Battle of Cannae, 216 BC.[44][45] Marcus Furius Bibaculus, a satiric poet of the first century BC. Furii Purpureones Spurius Furius Purpureo, father of Lucius Furius Purpureo, the consul of 196 BC. Lucius Furius S. f. S. n. Purpureo, praetor in 200 BC, triumphed over the Gauls at Cremona. He then became consul in 196.[46] Furius Purpureo, triumvir monetalis between 179 and 170 BC.[47] Furius Purpureo, triumvir monetalis between 169 and 158 BC.[6] Furii Crassipedes  Denarius of Publius Furius Crassipes, 84 BC. The obverse depicts the head of Cybele, with a foot behind, an allusion to his cognomen. The reverse shows a curule chair, referring to his position of curule aedile. Marcus Furius Crassipes, legate under the praetor Lucius Furius Purpureo in 200 BC, during the war against the Gauls. He was praetor in 187 and 173.[48][49] Publius Furius Crassipes, curule aedile in 84 BC. He minted coins during his magistracy.[50] Furius Crassipes, quaestor in Bithynia, 51 BC, and husband of Cicero's daughter, Tullia.[51] Furius Crassipes, officer of Sextus Pompeius in Sicily between 43 and 36 BC.[52] Lucius Furius L. f. Crassipes, praetor or propraetor in Macedonia at an uncertain date.[53][54] Furii Brocchi  Denarius of Lucius Furius Brocchus, 63 BC. The obverse features the head of Ceres, with a corn-ear on the left and a barley-grain on the right. On the reverse is a curule chair surrounded by fasces. Gnaeus Furius Brocchus, father of the triumvir monetalis of 63 BC. Lucius Furius Cn. f. Brocchus, triumvir monetalis in 63 BC.[55] Titus Furius Brocchus, the uncle of Quintus Ligarius, a soldier defended by Cicero.[56] Gnaeus Furius Brocchus, detected in adultery, and grievously punished.[57] Others Lucius Furius, tribune of the plebs in 307 BC, prevented the comitia from electing Appius Claudius Caecus to the consulship, unless he consented to lay down his censorship, in accordance with the law.[58] Gaius Furius Chresimus, a farmer accused of having poisoned his neighbours' fields, was acquitted by the aedile Spurius Postumius Albinus, perhaps in 191 BC.[59] Gaius Furius Aculeo, quaestor of Lucius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus in 190 BC, was convicted of peculatus in 187.[60][61] Spurius Furius, triumvir monetalis between 189 and 180 BC.[62] Marcus Furius Luscus, plebeian aedile in 187 BC. Gaius Furius, duumvir navalis in 178 and legate in 170 BC. Aulus Furius Antias, a poet of the first century BC, admired by Aulus Gellius and Vergil. Publius Furius [bg], as tribune of the plebs in 99 BC, with the support of Gaius Marius, vetoed a bill recalling Quintus Caecilius Metellus Numidicus from exile. For this he was subsequently brought to trial, but was lynched by the outraged assembly before the proceedings could begin.[63] Furius, a navarchus of Heracleia, was put to death by Verres, despite his innocence.[64] Numerius Furius, an eques in the time of Cicero.[65] Publius Furius, one of the military colonists to whom Sulla had assigned lands at Faesulae, and an accomplice in the Catilinarian conspiracy.[66][67] Aulus Furius A. f. Tertius, was present at Ephesus when Lucius Cornelius Lentulus Crus gave an order exempting Jewish Roman citizens from military service in 49 BC.[68] Titus Furius Victorinus, an eques who held several senior appointments under the emperors Antoninus Pius and Marcus Aurelius. Furius Anthianus, a jurisconsult of uncertain date, probably not later than the period of Alexander Severus.[69] Gaius Furius Sabinus Aquila Timesitheus, praetorian prefect in AD 241. Furia Sabinia Tranquillina, the wife of Gordian III, and Roman empress from AD 241 to 244. Marcus Maecius Memmius Furius Baburius Caecilianus Placidus, consul in AD 343. Furius Dionysius Filocalus, a scribe active in the time of Pope Damasus I. See also List of Roman gentes Notes  Chase classes Fusus as a cognomen, although he concurs that the nomen was derived from it. References Citations  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, pp. 190, 192, 1005.  Sextus Pomponius, Enchiridion, cited in the Digesta, ii. 2 § 36.  Humm, Appius Claudius Caecus, § 12-15.  Chase, p. 130.  Livy, i. 32, 33.  Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, p. 238.  Chase, p. 113.  Chase, p. 115.  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. I, pp. 591, 592.  Chase, p. 112.  Syme, Roman Papers, vol. 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Broughton, The Magistrates of the Roman Republic, American Philological Association (1952–1986). Michael Crawford, Roman Republican Coinage, Cambridge University Press (1974, 2001). Ronald Syme, Roman Papers, edited by Ernst Badian and Anthony R. Birley, 7 volumes, Oxford, 1979–1991. Michel Humm, Appius Claudius Caecus, La République accomplie, Ecole Française de Rome, 2005. Categories: FuriiRoman gentesRoman gentes of Latin origin For this gens, we have below the general entry for the gens from wiki, and two Furii -- which one would be your third-best for a Grice/Speranza vignette? thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Furio – Ossia: Grice e Furio -- FURIO CAMILLO While FURIO CAMILLO was "on his legs" in the senate, a centurion, passing the House of Assembly with a flag in his hand, was heard to say, "Let us plant our banner here, for this is the place for us to stop at." The senators, rushing forth, declare their acceptance of the omen, though there was nothing ominous in the fact; and the people, carried away, or rather attracted to the spot, by the same stupidly superstitious feeling, declared that on that place they would rebuild the city. There is no doubt that the anxiety of the senators for the restoration of Rome was owing to the fact of their own property lying near at hand; and they were desirous, therefore, of improving the neighbourhood. There was very little patriotism, and a large amount of self-interest, in a suggestion that materially enhanced their own estates; and it was extremely easy to find an omen that would put twenty or thirty per cent. upon the value of their property. In pursuance of the "omen," they liberally gave bricks that did not belong to them, and followed up their munificence by allowing stone to be cut from the public quarries, in order that the works might be hastened; while, as a further act of generosity, it was permitted to the citizens to pull to pieces their houses at Veii, for the purpose of embellishing Rome and its vicinity. It is not clear to Grice and Speranza was this reconstruction of Rome -- as reported by Abbott below -- amounts to but they are interested if Livy mentions omen content of message -- etc. Input? Feedback? Thanks -- Passage: FURIO CAMILLO While FURIO CAMILLO was "on his legs" in the senate, a centurion, passing the House of Assembly with a flag in his hand, was heard to say, "Let us plant our banner here, for this is the place for us to stop at." The senators, rushing forth, declare their acceptance of the omen, though there was nothing ominous in the fact; and the people, carried away, or rather attracted to the spot, by the same stupidly superstitious feeling, declared that on that place they would rebuild the city. There is no doubt that the anxiety of the senators for the restoration of Rome was owing to the fact of their own property lying near at hand; and they were desirous, therefore, of improving the neighbourhood. There was very little patriotism, and a large amount of self-interest, in a suggestion that materially enhanced their own estates; and it was extremely easy to find an omen that would put twenty or thirty per cent. upon the value of their property. In pursuance of the "omen," they liberally gave bricks that did not belong to them, and followed up their munificence by allowing stone to be cut from the public quarries, in order that the works might be hastened; while, as a further act of generosity, it was permitted to the citizens to pull to pieces their houses at Veii, for the purpose of embellishing Rome and its vicinity This is a very fruitful passage for your Gricean concerns—because here Livy gives you something unusually clean: a literal utterance (oratio recta) that becomes an omen through reinterpretation. Let me separate carefully:  1. Does Livy actually give the words? (Yes) Yes—this is one of the clearest cases where Livy preserves an exact utterance:  “Signifer, statue signum; hic manebimus optime.” (“Standard-bearer, fix your ensign; here we shall do best to remain.”) [loebclassics.com]   Context:  soldiers marching through the Forum a centurion gives an ordinary military order. Key point:  the sentence is NOT originally intended as an omen    2. How it becomes an omen Livy explicitly narrates the reinterpretation:  senators hear the words come out of the Curia proclaim:   they accept it as an omen [loebclassics.com]   the people: → approve result: → decision to rebuild Rome in place. So:  omen = retrospective reinterpretation of a chance utterance    3. Abbott vs Livy Abbott says:  “there was nothing ominous in the fact”. This actually aligns quite closely with Livy: Livy himself describes it as:  “vox opportune emissa” = “a remark let fall opportunely” [loebclassics.com] That is:  not divine thunder not formal augury but:  a convenient phrase seized upon      4. Grice/Speranza analysis (very rich case) You asked:  does Livy mention the omen content—i.e., the “message”?  Yes—and brilliantly so.  Step 1: literal utterance  “Stop here; this is the best place.”  Intended meaning (for soldiers):  halt formation, set the standard   Step 2: reinterpreted meaning Senators treat it as:  “Rome should remain here and be rebuilt here.”  This is classic:  speaker meaning ≠ audience extraction    Gricean structure levelcontentspeaker intentiontactical military orderoverhearers’ uptakedivine guidanceresultpolitical decision. So:  the “omen” is a reassigned intention    5. Is this like implicature? Yes—but even stronger.  Not ordinary implicature:  the centurion does NOT intend:  “this city should be rebuilt here”     Rather:  the senate constructs a meaning. This is closer to:  opportunistic resemanticisation    6. Is belief in omens presupposed? Your earlier question returns here.  Livy’s stance: Ambiguous—but suggestive.  he reports:  acceptance of omen   but phrases it as:  “opportune” utterance. So:  Livy leaves open:   real omen? or convenient justification?    7. Final synthesis  Livy preserves the exact utterance of the centurion (“hic manebimus optime”), which becomes an omen only when retrospectively interpreted by the Senate. [loebclassics.com] The original statement is a simple military command, but its meaning is reappropriated as a divine sign supporting the decision to rebuild Rome in place. This creates a striking case where meaning emerges not from the speaker’s intention but from the audience’s reinterpretation. One-line conclusion (your idiom):  The centurion only meant “halt here”; the senate heard “stay here”—and Rome was rebuilt on the difference.   If you like, we can compare this with other Roman “spoken omens” (omina ex voce), where chance words become politically decisive. And is it ok for Grice and Speranza to catalogue this under the "F" of Furio Camillo because he seems to be the only named Roman in the vecindary of this anecdote? ThanksYes—your instinct here is methodologically sound, and in fact particularly apt for this episode. Short answer -Yes, it is perfectly reasonable to catalogue this under “F = Furio Camillo”—with one conceptual clarification.  1. What Livy actually does in this passage In the passage we saw:   the speaker is:  an anonymous centurion    the utterance is:  “hic manebimus optime” (“here we will best remain”) [en.wikipedia.org]    the interpreters are:  the Senate and people    the narrative context, however, is:  Camillus’ leadership after the Gallic sack. So the structure is: RoleFigurespeakerunnamed centurioninterpretersSenate + plebsnarrative anchorCamillus   2. Why cataloguing under CAMILLUS works Even though Camillus does not speak in that moment, he is:  the central historical agent of the episode the figure around whom:  the rebuilding of Rome is decided. In Livy’s narrative logic:  Camillus = the frame within which the omen becomes meaningful. So your method:  index by “named agent anchoring the scene”  is perfectly consistent.   3. Grice/Speranza angle (important nuance) This case is especially interesting because:  the intentional speaker (centurion) ≠ the meaning-making authority (Senate + Camillan moment)   So if you catalogue under F (Furius Camillus): You highlight:  not who uttered but who made the utterance consequential. That is actually more Gricean:  meaning → depends on uptake and institutional authority    4. One caveat (for precision) If you wanted maximum analytical clarity, you might note:  primary entry:  F = Furius Camillus   sub-note:  omen ex voce (centurion utterance reinterpreted). That preserves both:  narrative anchoring micro-communicative origin. Final one-line conclusion (your idiom)  The centurion speaks, but Camillus’ Rome listens—and it is under Camillus that the accidental words become a destined city.   If you like, we can build a small catalogue of these omina ex voce across Livy—they form a very coherent class for your Grice–Speranza framework.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Furio – Ossia: Grice e Furio: la ragione conversazionale e il portico romano -- Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Abstract. Grice: “”That’s Porch!”, I would tell my Oxford pupil, Strawson. He never read the classics – so the idea of labelling a philosophy after the BUILDING where its adherents gathered was new and pathetic to him!” -- Keywords: portico. Filosofo italiano. Scholar and statesman. Probably followed the sect of the Porch. Lucio Furio Filo. Keywords: portico. GRICEVS: FVRIVS, “Istud Porticus est!” dicebam Strawsonio, qui classicos numquam legit, quasi novum atque miserum esset philosophiam ab aedificio nominari. FVRIVS: At Roma, Grice, etiam senator et scholasticus sub porticu sapiens haberi potest, modo frigus bene toleret et verba sua calefaciat. GRICEVS: Miseret tamen discipuli mei, quod putat Porticum esse tectum potius quam sectam, et “Porch” sonat ei quasi ornamentum domus, non disciplina vitae. FVRIVS: Ergo doce eum hoc: si Porticus aedificium vocatur, id fit quia ibi ratio ambulat, et qui ambulare nescit, etiam sub porticu sedens, nihil intellegit. Speranza and Grice have this gens Furia. Other members in it? Yes. The gens Furia is very well attested, and Lucius Furius Philus belongs to a genuinely important Roman gens, unlike the notional gens Fusca. The first point is on the name. In Lucius Furius Philus, Furius is the nomen and identifies the gens Furia; Philus is the cognomen. So here, unlike Aristius Fuscus, we really are dealing with a major Roman gens. Other important members of the gens Furia include, at the safer and more famous level, the following. Marcus Furius Camillus is the great early Republican name, almost the monumental Furian. He is the conqueror of Veii and later a quasi-second founder of Rome in the Roman historical imagination. If one asks for the most famous Furian, it is usually Camillus. There are also several Furii with the cognomen Fusus, especially in the earlier Republic. The Furii Fusii form one of the better known early branches. One repeatedly meets names like Publius Furius Fusus and Spurius Furius Fusus in the consular and annalistic record. One must be cautious, because early Republican prosopography is always partly filtered through later reconstruction, but the branch is certainly standard in the tradition. Then there are the Furii Medullini, another prominent early branch of the gens. Again, these appear in the fasti and consular lists of the early Republic. As for Lucius Furius Philus himself, he belongs to the later and more intellectually interesting side of the gens. He is the statesman and man of letters associated with the Scipionic milieu, and the cognomen Philus itself already advertises Greek cultural colouring. That is one reason he is so apt for a Speranzian-Gricean crossing: Roman aristocratic politics meeting Greek philosophical and rhetorical cultivation. If your question is whether there were other Furii called Philus, the answer is yes, or at least more than one member of the family bore that cognomen. The best known beside Lucius is Gaius Furius Philus. The precise internal genealogy can become a little tricky, as so often with Roman naming and repeated praenomina, but the cognomen Philus is not unique to a single isolated individual. So the clean summary is this. Furius is the nomen and marks the gens Furia. Philus is the cognomen. The gens Furia is ancient and distinguished. Its most famous member is probably Marcus Furius Camillus. Other major Furian branches include the Furii Fusii and Furii Medullini. Within the later Republic, the cognomen Philus is associated with cultivated, Hellenising aristocratic Furii, including Lucius Furius Philus and at least one other notable Philus. If you like, I can next give you a compact prosopographical note on Lucius Furius Philus specifically, with an eye to why he could be cast as Stoic-adjacent or Porch-adjacent in your Grice-Speranza register. Furio Filo, Lucio (XXX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Furio – Ossia: Grice e Furio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Furio -- My third-best Furian would be Gaius Furius Chresimus. He is almost too Gricean to ignore: a freedman-farmer accused of magical crop-poisoning because his small plot yielded more than his richer neighbours’ estates. Pliny preserves the delicious defence: Chresimus brings his tools, slaves, oxen, and implements into the Forum and says, in effect, “These are my spells.” He is acquitted. [en.wikipedia.org] Why he works: Camillus gives omen and opportunistic uptake; Philus gives the Porch and Hellenising conversation; Chresimus gives evidence-by-display. He does not argue abstractly. He makes the court see the intended implicature. CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea, Quirites, haec sunt. (These, citizens, are my spells.) ALBINVS. Ferramenta, boves, servi? (Tools, oxen, slaves?) +> Your accusation of magic is being redescribed as envy of labour. CHRESIMVS. Lucubrationes vigiliasque et sudores in forum adducere non possum. (My night-work, early risings, and sweat I cannot bring into the Forum.) ALBINVS. Absolvatur. (Let him be acquitted.) +> Your invisible diligence has been accepted through its visible instruments. Speranza would like him because the case turns on the difference between what the neighbours say and what Chresimus shows. They say veneficia; he displays agricultura. Grice would add that the ploughshare does not naturally mean innocence. Chresimus means innocence by producing it as evidence. And in terms of etymology of veneficia -- is Cherismus flouting the principle of conversational candour by uttering something which, at the leve of what is explicitly conveyed, is _false_? (as when Grice tells his wife: "You're the cream in my coffee"-- metaphor via categorial transfer -- or irony "He's a fine friend" +> He's a scoundrel --) Yes — and this is exactly the sort of case where Grice becomes useful. First, the etymology. Veneficium is a dangerous word because it originally means something like "drug-work" or "potion-work" (venenum + facere). But venenum itself is equivocal. In early Latin it can mean a drug, potion, medicine, charm, poison, love-philtre, etc. Only later does "poison" become dominant. So veneficium can slide between:  administration of drugs, magical practices, poisoning, witchcraft.  Chresimus' accusers are exploiting precisely this semantic cloud. They cannot explain his productivity, so they redescribe agricultural success as veneficium. The really Gricean question concerns Chresimus' famous reply: CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea, Quirites, haec sunt. (These, citizens, are my spells.) and then he points at the oxen, tools, slaves, and equipment. [cil.bbaw.de] At the level of what is explicitly conveyed, this is false. Those oxen are not literally spells. Those ploughshares are not literally magical operations. Those slaves are not literally enchantments. So Chresimus is doing something rather close to your Grice examples: GRICEVS. Tu es cremor in caffea mea. (You are the cream in my coffee.) or GRICEVS. Pulcher amicus est. (He is a fine friend.) where the explicit content cannot be the intended content. But Chresimus is even more interesting because he is appropriating the prosecutor's vocabulary. ACCVSATOR. Veneficiis uteris. (You use magic.) CHRESIMVS. Ita vero; haec sunt veneficia mea. (Indeed; these are my spells.) +> Your word veneficia is being reinterpreted to mean diligence, equipment, investment, and labour. So he is not merely flouting candour (Quality). He is exploiting the accusers' lexical choice against them. A Gricean reconstruction might be: ACCVSATOR. Fruges alienas veneficiis perlicis. (You entice away other people's crops by magic.) CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea haec sunt. (These are my spells.) +> Your mysterious cause is merely hard work. ACCVSATOR. Ferramenta vocas veneficia? (You call tools spells?) CHRESIMVS. Quid aliud metitis? (What else are you harvesting?) +> Your accusation arises from envy rather than explanation. Indeed, one might say that Chresimus' defence succeeds because everybody present immediately sees that the literal reading is absurd. The audience is forced toward the intended meaning: "My so-called magic consists of labour." That is very close to Grice's cream-in-coffee metaphor. The literal proposition is false; precisely because it is false, the hearer searches for another proposition that restores conversational rationality. Speranza might therefore classify Chresimus not under irony but under rhetorical metaphor by lexical seizure: he takes the prosecution's word veneficia and makes it mean the exact opposite of what they intended. The accuser means occult productivity; Chresimus means observable productivity. CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea haec sunt. (These are my spells.) +> Your accusation of magical causation is being replaced by an explanation in terms of labour, tools, and agricultural competence. And perhaps there are two further Griceian tweaks: "These are ALL my veneficia" -- because on a non-maximal reading he may be hiding -- and thinking for himself: "I don't think it would be wise to display as evidence not just these items but the poison that I keep separately." the deictic work woks -- but what would be the force of the original accusation -- LITERALLY intended? Thanks Yes. There are at least two Gricean refinements here. The first is exactly your ALL point. CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea haec sunt. (These are my magic arts.) The demonstrative haec is deictic. Chresimus points to the oxen, tools, slaves, and implements. But strictly speaking, the sentence does not mean:  These are all my magic arts.  It only means:  These are my magic arts.  A suspicious hearer could therefore reply: ACCVSATOR. Haec quidem ostendis; cetera ubi sunt? (These indeed you show; where are the others?) +> Your demonstration fails to exclude undisplayed magical means. In Gricean terms, Chresimus invites a Quantity implicature:  I have shown you what there is to show.  But he never literally says so. Indeed, as you note, a cynical prosecutor could imagine Chresimus privately thinking:  I did not promise that these were my only veneficia; I merely pointed to these.  So the force of the argument depends on the audience accepting the implicature of completeness.  The second tweak concerns the original accusation. What did the neighbours literally mean? Not:  These ploughshares are magical.  Not:  These oxen cast spells.  Rather something closer to: ACCVSATORES. Fruges alienas veneficiis perlicis. (You entice away other people's crops by magical means.) The verb perlicere ("draw away", "attract") is important. The accusation is not simply poisoning. The idea is:  Your neighbours' fertility is somehow being transferred to your farm.  Pliny explicitly says the neighbours thought he was obtaining much larger yields and therefore suspected veneficia. [cil.bbaw.de] So the literal accusation would be: +> Your extraordinary success has an occult cause. And Chresimus' reply is brilliant because it accepts the causal question while denying the occult answer. ACCVSATORES. Quid causat hos fructus? (What causes these harvests?) CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea haec sunt. (These are my magic arts.) +> The cause you seek is labour, not magic. Notice the dialectical elegance. He does not deny causation at all. He agrees there is a cause. The neighbours say:  Cause = magic.  Chresimus says:  Cause = tools, slaves, oxen, vigilance, sweat.  And then comes the masterpiece: CHRESIMVS. Nec possum vobis ostendere lucubrationes meas vigiliasque et sudores. (Nor can I show you my late-night labours, vigils, and sweat.) [cil.bbaw.de] Because now the invisible things (vigiliae, sudores) occupy exactly the logical place previously occupied by magic. The accusers had said:  There must be some invisible agency.  Chresimus replies:  Quite right. There is an invisible agency. It is called hard work.  That is why the anecdote is so Gricean. He does not merely refute the accusation; he replaces one hidden explanation with another hidden explanation, but one that is entirely natural. The rhetorical force depends on the audience recognising that the search for an unseen cause was reasonable; only the identification of that cause was mistaken. The fact that he was a total OTHER -- a freedman -- doesn't work cooperatively -- for Grice intends his principle of conversational helpfulness to work among peers, only. Was he officially CHARGED? He was a Furius by adoption only. If officially charged, and not being a born Roman, he didn't understand the mechanisms of ritual explanations -- and what he did is actually sacrilege. He is re-transposing the 'veneficia' suspected to a display of otherness's intellgence verys alleged native idiocy. "Of course we knew you used those." "What we are saying is that you also indulge in sacrilegous rituals -- and your haec, charming as it is for Pliny -- who's everywhere looking for the artifice of nature and historialising it in his historia naturalis -- is offensive to us? Thanks This is a very good Speranzaan resistance to the Plinian moral. The standard Pliny-Piso reading is:  "Look how foolish the neighbours were. They suspected magic. Chresimus shows his tools, oxen, labourers, and industry. Rational explanation triumphs over superstition." [cil.bbaw.de]  But that is already a retrospective literary framing. Piso and Pliny know Chresimus is innocent. The accusers do not. From the accusers' point of view, the exchange is much less decisive. They are not saying:  "How does farming work?"  They obviously know about ploughs, oxen, slaves, mattocks, and labour. Chresimus himself notes that he cannot bring his vigils and sweat into court; the tools are merely visible proxies. [cil.bbaw.de] A suspicious neighbour could therefore reply: ACCVSATOR. Haec quidem videmus. (These things we do indeed see.) CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea haec sunt. (These are my magic arts.) +> Your suspicion of occult causation is unfounded. ACCVSATOR. Ferramenta tua numquam negavimus. (We never denied your tools.) +> Your display addresses something different from what we actually suspect. And here your point about otherness enters. Chresimus is a freedman of Greek origin. The surviving account explicitly presents him as a Greek former slave who had later become prosperous. [cil.bbaw.de] A hostile Roman could reason: ACCVSATOR. Non de ligonibus quaerimus. (We are not asking about mattocks.) CHRESIMVS. Quid igitur? (What then?) ACCVSATOR. De nocturnis rebus. (About what happens by night.) +> Your economic success is suspected of having a ritual or magical supplement. In other words, Chresimus' famous haec may be rhetorically brilliant but not logically conclusive. The deictic gesture says:  "Look at these."  But the accusation concerns precisely what is not being pointed at. One can imagine a Roman prosecutor saying:  "The very fact that you point to your tools proves nothing. We always knew you used tools. What we suspect is what accompanies them."  From that perspective, Chresimus is not disproving the charge but changing its description. This is where your Gricean observation becomes acute. CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea haec sunt. (These are my magic arts.) +> The true explanation of my success is ordinary agricultural diligence. But the accuser means:  The true explanation of your success includes illicit ritual practices.  The two parties are therefore not answering the same question. Indeed, a very conservative Roman could even find Chresimus slightly insolent: ACCVSATOR. Veneficia tua ligones vocas? (You call mattocks your magic arts?) CHRESIMVS. Ita. (Indeed.) +> Your accusation deserves ridicule. ACCVSATOR. Sacra ludis. (You are making sport of sacred matters.) +> Your wit itself is being treated as evidence of foreign impiety. That reading fits your intuition about Pliny. Pliny loves nature defeating superstition. The anecdote survives because it becomes a morality tale about labour, vigilance, and the proverb that "the master's eye is the best fertilizer." [cil.bbaw.de] But the original social conflict may have been sharper: wealthy native landowners versus a successful freedman; Roman suspicion versus Greek cleverness; ritual explanations versus economic explanations. Chresimus wins because the audience accepts his redescription of the facts. Yet the brilliance of the anecdote lies precisely in the possibility that his famous haec is not a proof at all, but a conversational coup. He shifts the tribunal from asking:  "Did you use magic?"  to asking:  "Whose account of success is more plausible?"  And once that shift occurs, the case is already half won. Not to mention that A: Show evidence; C: Veneficia mea A (To jury and juge): We told you! He's using the same word -- veneficia, he doesn't deny it -- those tools are enchanted in the wrong way -- they are contaminated by the poison of black magic that this slave brought to our previously pure and clean fields – thanks Yes — and this is precisely the uncomfortable counter-reading that Piso and Pliny suppress. On the Plinian version, the courtroom hears: CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea haec sunt. (These are my magic arts.) and everyone suddenly understands: +> Your accusation of sorcery is ridiculous; my success comes from labour. But a hostile prosecutor need not cooperate. ACCVSATOR. Ostende veneficia. (Show us the magic.) CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea haec sunt. (These are my magic arts.) +> Your charge has been met and dissolved by ordinary agricultural evidence. But the accuser may immediately seize on the literal repetition: ACCVSATOR. Audistisne? Ipse dicit: "veneficia mea." (Did you hear? He himself says "my magic arts.") +> Your own words are now being treated as a confession rather than a denial. The Gricean elegance depends on the audience accepting a figurative transfer:  "my so-called magic" = my industry.  But a hostile hearer can refuse that uptake. ACCVSATOR. Ligones videmus. Boves videmus. Servos videmus. (We see mattocks. We see oxen. We see slaves.) CHRESIMVS. Ergo veneficia nulla sunt. (Therefore there is no magic.) ACCVSATOR. Immo vero. Haec instrumenta sunt veneficiorum. (On the contrary. These are the instruments of the magic.) +> Your display is being reinterpreted as evidence of contamination rather than innocence. This connects directly with your "otherness" point. A suspicious rustic Roman need not think:  He has extraordinary tools.  He may think:  He is an extraordinary Greek.  The surviving account explicitly presents Chresimus as a Greek freedman who became prosperous. [cil.bbaw.de] The hostile story therefore becomes:  We always knew he had ploughshares. We always knew he had oxen. We always knew he worked hard. What makes those tools successful is the foreign pollution standing behind them.  In that reading, Chresimus' famous gesture is almost dangerous: CHRESIMVS. Veneficia mea haec sunt. (These are my magic arts.) ACCVSATOR. Ita vero; in his latent. (Exactly; they are hidden in these.) +> Your agricultural implements are being treated as vehicles of the suspected enchantment. What makes the anecdote remarkable is that the jury does not take that route. They accept Chresimus' redescription. Pliny says he was acquitted by the unanimous judgement of all. [cil.bbaw.de] But that acquittal is itself rhetorically interesting. Chresimus has not disproved the existence of magic in the strict logical sense. Rather, he has persuaded the audience that labour is the better explanation. The victory is pragmatic, not demonstrative. Speranza might put it this way: ACCVSATOR. Show the sorcery. CHRESIMVS. Here is the sorcery. ACCVSATOR. We knew that already. The whole trial thus turns on a contest over the meaning of veneficia. Chresimus wins because the jury accepts his meaning of the word rather than that of his neighbours. Pliny celebrates this as common sense defeating superstition; a suspicious Roman conservative might have called it a clever Greek freedman escaping conviction by verbal dexterity.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Furnio – Ossia: Grice e Furnio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Furnio. The Furnii are a family at ancient Rome. The Furnian gens was of great antiquity. Gaius F.  was tribune of the plebs. However, no member of the family achieved prominence again for nearly four hundred years. Gaius F., tribune of the plebs. He opposed the rogation of that year, which would have opened the consulship to the plebeians. His name occurs only in Dionysius; Livy describes the proposal, but does not mention F.[2][3] Gaius F., tribune of the plebs, was a friend of TULLIO Cicero, with whom he frequently corresponded. He opposed the demand of the oligarchic party at Rome that GIULIO Caesar should immediately resign as proconsul of Gaul. After GIULIO Caesar's murder, F. espoused the side of Marcus Antonius, but after the Battle of Actium he was reconciled to Octavian through the exertions of his son. F. was consul designatus in 29 BC. Gaius F. C. f., successfully reconciled his father to Octavian following the Battle of Actium. He was consul in 17 BC. F., put to death in AD 26, during the reign of Tiberius, for committing adultery with Claudia Pulchra. It seems unlikely that he was the same person as the consul.[7][10][11] See also List of Roman gentes References  Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. II, pp. 190, 191 ("Furnius", Nos. 1–3).  Dionysius, xi. 52.  Livy, iv. 1.  Cicero, Epistulae ad Atticum, v. 2, 18, vi. 1, vii. 19, ix. 6, 11, Epistulae ad Familiares, viii. 10, ix. 24, x. 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12 25, 26, xv. 14.  Appian, Bellum Civile, v. 30, 40, 41, 137–142.  Cassius Dio, xlviii. 13, 14, lii. 42, liv. 5.  Seneca the Younger, De Beneficiis ii. 25.  Florus, iv. 12.  Broughton, vol. II, pp. 249, 353, 359, 376, 384, 389, 402, 408,  Tacitus, Annales iv. 52.  Fasti Albenses, AE 2012, 437. Bibliography Marcus Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Atticum, Epistulae ad Familiares. Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Romaike Archaiologia (Roman Antiquities). Titus Livius (Livy), History of Rome. Lucius Annaeus Seneca (Seneca the Younger), De Beneficiis (On Kindness). Publius Cornelius Tacitus, Annales. Lucius Annaeus Florus, Epitome de T. Livio Bellorum Omnium Annorum DCC (Epitome of Livy: Appianus Alexandrinus (Appian), Bellum Civile (The Civil War). Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus (Cassius Dio), Roman History. Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, William Smith, ed., Little, Brown and Company, Boston (1849). René Cagnat et alii, L'Année épigraphique (The Year in Epigraphy, abbreviated AE), Presses Universitaires de France (1888–present). T. Robert S. Broughton, The Magistrates of the Roman Republic, American Philological Association (1952). Categories: FurniiRoman gentes Here we have a conversational triad -- OTTAVIO (as we call the emperor, since that was his gens) and the FURNII, dad and son. Grice and Speranza don't see the point of all of Furnio Jr.'s troubles to reconcile dad with Ottavio -- do you? We can reconstruct the conversation. Grice prefers two-conversationalist conversations, but this is an augustan exception, as he calls it. Thanks

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Furnio – Ossia: Grice e Furnio -- Grex griceiana – verbalia: Furnio. I confess that, like Grice and Speranza, I do not immediately see why Furnius Jr. should have gone to such lengths. If Dad backed Antonius and Octavian won at Actium, one can imagine a perfectly Roman solution: OTTAVIO. Vicimus. (We have won.) FVRNIVS PATER. Intellego. (I understand.) +> I am acknowledging the new distribution of power. and the matter is largely over. But Augustus was building something subtler than victory. He was building consent, memory, and elite continuity. A former opponent publicly reconciled is worth more than a dead opponent privately removed. The sources merely state that the younger Gaius Furnius reconciled his father to Octavian after Actium, and that the father later became consul designatus in 29 BC. [fity.club] So the interesting question is not "Why did Octavian forgive?" but "Why did the son care?" A Grice–Speranza reconstruction might be: FVRNIVS FILIVS. Pater, Ottavianus irascitur minus quam vincit. (Father, Octavian is less angry than victorious.) FVRNIVS PATER. Ego Antonii partes secutus sum. (I followed Antony's side.) +> My political past makes reconciliation difficult. FVRNIVS FILIVS. Actium iam transactum est. (Actium is now over.) +> Your former allegiance no longer determines your future standing. FVRNIVS PATER. Memoria manet. (The memory remains.) +> I expect my past opposition to continue to count against me. OTTAVIO. Memoria manet; ira non manet. (The memory remains; the anger does not.) +> Your submission is being accepted without requiring me to forget your history. FVRNIVS FILIVS. Ergo reconciliati sumus? (Then we are reconciled?) OTTAVIO. Ita. Roma plures cives requirit quam hostes. (Yes. Rome requires more citizens than enemies.) +> Your father's future usefulness outweighs his past hostility. The son is therefore doing something very Roman: preserving the family's place in the new regime. Grice might formulate the puzzle this way. Why not simply infer from Octavian's victory that reconciliation had occurred already? Because politically, the difference between:  "He is not being punished"  and  "He has been restored to favour"  is enormous. The son is trying to convert the first proposition into the second. Indeed, the strongest implicature in the whole story may belong to the younger Furnius: FVRNIVS FILIVS. Pater reconciliandus est. (My father must be reconciled.) +> My father's political future, and therefore my own family's future, remain uncertain until Octavian explicitly accepts him. So I suspect the son was less concerned with sentiment than with status. Grice would say that "reconciliation" here is less a psychological state than a public speech-act. The father already knew Octavian had won. What he needed was for Octavian to mean that he belonged again. Speranza is slightly troubled by the wiki wording 'exertions' since he doesn't think the source would have used the Latin for that English latinate noun in the plural. It's not cemency from Ottavio that F. Sr. gets -- it's all the perlocutionary effect of the 'exertions' -- have you ever seen ONE exertion, or do they always come in pair? I think Speranza's suspicion is philologically sound. The wiki phrase:  "successfully reconciled his father to Octavian through the exertions of his son"  has a distinctly Victorian smell. It sounds much more like the prose of William Smith's Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology than like anything one would find in Appian, Dio, Seneca, or a Latin source. Indeed, exertions belongs to a curious class of English words that are habitually plural. One sees:  through his exertions after great exertions despite all her exertions  where one very rarely encounters:  through an exertion by an exertion  except in special contexts. Grice would probably have delighted in that. The singular an exertion seems to suggest one identifiable effort:  I made one exertion and succeeded.  The plural exertions suggests a cloud of activities whose boundaries are irrelevant:  letters, visits, conversations, recommendations, lobbying, introductions, reminders, etc.  Precisely because the writer does not know—or does not care—what the son actually did. So the wiki formula is almost an admission of ignorance:  We know the son was instrumental. We don't know exactly how. Therefore let us speak of "his exertions."  A Gricean reconstruction might be: FVRNIVS FILIVS. Pater reconciliandus est. (My father must be reconciled.) +> I intend to undertake an unspecified series of actions toward that goal. The phrase "through his exertions" then stands for the whole unspecified bundle. The interesting thing is that clementia would put the emphasis on Octavian:  Ottavio forgave.  Whereas exertions puts the emphasis on the son:  The son achieved reconciliation.  This is exactly why I agree with you that the story is less about Augustan mercy than about Furnius Junior's perlocutionary success. He somehow causes: FVRNIVS PATER. I dislike Octavian. to become: FVRNIVS PATER. I accept Octavian. and also causes: OTTAVIO. Former enemy. to become: OTTAVIO. Acceptable former enemy. The sources seem interested in the fact that he brought about that result, not in the precise mechanism by which he did so. The English plural exertions is therefore a perfect historian's fog-word. Speranza might even gloss it:  exertions = "everything that happened between the father's hostility and the emperor's acceptance, the details of which the historian cannot now reconstruct."  A wonderfully Gricean term, in fact, because it names the perlocutionary effect while concealing nearly all the locutionary acts that produced it. Indeed, and at that point in history, any reader reading about this is only concerned with F. Jr's exortions re: Ottavio, not F. Jr.'s father, a nobody almost -- a has been and on the wrong side of the tracts. 'Reconcile' seems reciprocal: in symbols R(Ottavio, F. Sr.) -- so some sort of will on F. Sr. SEEMS required. So can we double check on who propagandist of Augustan clemency is preserving his silly anecodte for this already pretty silly gens? Thanks Yes. The silly anecdote is preserved by Seneca, De beneficiis II.25, not as a neutral Furnian family notice but as an exemplum of gratitude. The Latin is: Furnius, cum patri Antonianas partes secuto veniam impetrasset… He had obtained pardon for his father, who had followed Antony’s side. Seneca then gives Furnius Jr.’s clever line to Augustus: Hanc unam, Caesar, habeo iniuriam tuam: effecisti, ut et viverem et morerer ingratus. “This one injury I have from you, Caesar: you have made me both live and die ungrateful.” [perseus.tufts.edu] So Wiki’s "reconciled" is too reciprocal. The source says veniam impetrare: to obtain pardon. That requires Augustus’ will, not necessarily Dad’s inner conversion. The father is almost a beneficiary-object; the son is the virtuoso of gratitude; Augustus is the benefactor. Compact triad: FVRNIVS FILIVS. Patri meo veniam impetravi. (I have obtained pardon for my father.) OTTAVIO. Antonianas partes secutus est. (He followed Antony’s side.) +> Your request concerns not reconciliation among equals, but clemency toward a defeated partisan. FVRNIVS PATER. Vivo igitur? (Then I live?) OTTAVIO. Vives. (You shall live.) +> Your survival depends on my pardon, not on your political innocence. FVRNIVS FILIVS. Hanc unam, Caesar, habeo iniuriam tuam: effecisti, ut et viverem et morerer ingratus. (This one injury I have from you, Caesar: you have made me both live and die ungrateful.) +> Your benefit is so great that repayment is impossible. So, yes: the preserved point is not Dad’s reconciliation. It is the son’s exquisite perlocution before Augustus. Seneca keeps the anecdote because it flatters gratitude; Augustan clemency comes along for the ride. Grice must say that "iniuriam: veverem et morerer INGRATUVS" is a fine piece of rhetorical implicatural hyperbole. "I suspect," Grice says, "that Ottavio proceeded with that Americanism, "You are very welcome"?" Thanks Yes, I think Grice would immediately seize on iniuriam and ingratus as an elaborately managed flout of Quality. Seneca's text gives:  Hanc unam, Caesar, habeo iniuriam tuam: effecisti, ut et viverem et morerer ingratus. ("This one injury I have from you, Caesar: you have brought it about that I should both live and die ungrateful.") [cil.bbaw.de]  A literal-minded hearer would have to take Furnius Jr. as asserting:  Augustus has injured him. He is ungrateful. He will remain ungrateful until death.  None of these is what he means. The conversational mechanism is almost transparent: FVRNIVS FILIVS. Hanc unam iniuriam tuam habeo. (I have this one injury from you.) +> I have no genuine complaint against you. OTTAVIO. Quae est? (What is it?) FVRNIVS FILIVS. Effecisti, ut viverem et morerer ingratus. (You have caused me to live and die ungrateful.) +> Your benefaction is so large that I can never adequately repay it. The lovely thing is that ingratus is being used in a way that is literally false and morally impossible. Furnius is displaying extraordinary gratitude at the very moment he claims to be ingratus. The audience must therefore abandon the literal reading and recover the intended proposition. The structure is very close to: GRICEVS. You have ruined my life. +> You have benefited me beyond anything I can repay. It is hyperbole working through an apparent contradiction. As for Augustus' reply, we are unfortunately not given one by Seneca. Seneca wants the bon mot, not the dialogue. [cil.bbaw.de] But Grice's joke about the Americanism "You're very welcome" is excellent, because it corresponds to the only conversationally adequate uptake: FVRNIVS FILIVS. Effecisti, ut viverem et morerer ingratus. OTTAVIO. Libenter. (Gladly.) +> No repayment is required. Or in modern polite English: FURNIUS. I can never thank you enough. AUGUSTUS. You're very welcome. +> The debt is hereby not being pressed. Indeed, one might say that Furnius is trying to erect an infinite debt, while Augustus' ideal Augustan response would be to dissolve it. Seneca's interest is in the grateful recipient; Augustan propaganda's interest is in the benefactor so magnanimous that gratitude itself becomes impossible to discharge. Grice would probably conclude that the sentence is a masterpiece of conversational excess: the explicit content is absurd, the intended content obvious, and the hearer is expected to enjoy the route from one to the other. It is almost a textbook example of saying "You have injured me" in order to mean "You have placed me forever in your debt." We keep tumbling (if that's the word) on non-Gricean un-cooperative dyads -- the farmer magician and the landlords -- now a Spaniard (Seneca) giving the trueborn Romans a lesson in gratitude by providing ONE conversational move (an exortation) by one to one who is not a pair -- hence the hyperbole. Majestic language for majesties -- hardly Grice's 'decent chaps exchanging stuff in careless chatter'. If Seneca (who self-appoints as philosopher) is talking gratitude he surely liked Furnius's 'ingratus' and 'iniuria'. Back home, Furnius is dealing with Dad, who never forgave his son or having gone through the unasked exortations (and is regretting not having fallen on his own sword) and being now 'pardoned by the clemency of the august adopted Giulian. So I don't think you should rush to a Griceian interpretant, when all the trueborn Roman Furnius junior says, as he unromanly subjugates to the new dictator: 'My unique injjury is to live and die ingratus.' The 'You're weclome' would be ridiculous in that Furnius Jr. is explicitly saying that ingratus he'll ever be? Thanks Exactly. The “You’re welcome” joke is good only as a modern conversational parody; it is not the right uptake inside Seneca’s scene. Seneca is not giving Grice’s model of cooperative equals. He gives a vertical scene: Furnius Jr. speaks upward to Caesar, and the utterance is a courtly specimen of gratitude under power. The point is not mutual ease but rhetorical self-subordination. Seneca preserves it because Furnius says gratitude so intensely that it becomes, paradoxically, permanent ingratitude: effecisti, ut et viverem et morerer ingratus — Augustus has made repayment impossible. [cil.bbaw.de] So the better compact reconstruction is not: OTTAVIO. Libenter. (You’re welcome.) but something colder: FVRNIVS FILIVS. Hanc unam, Caesar, habeo iniuriam tuam: effecisti, ut et viverem et morerer ingratus. (This one injury I have from you, Caesar: you have made me live and die ungrateful.) +> Your benefit is so absolute that I am permanently subordinated by gratitude. OTTAVIO. Memini. (I shall remember.) +> Your gratitude has been received as loyalty. And with Dad, the anti-Gricean aftermath is stronger: FVRNIVS PATER. Veniam mihi petisti? (You asked pardon for me?) FVRNIVS FILIVS. Impetravi. (I obtained it.) +> Your survival is now owed to the man you resisted. FVRNIVS PATER. Ergo vivo aliena clementia. (So I live by another man’s clemency.) FVRNIVS FILIVS. Roma sic nunc vivit. (So Rome now lives.) +> Your humiliation is not private; it is the new political grammar. That is the point: Seneca likes iniuria and ingratus because they make gratitude majestic, coercive, and irreversible. This is not careless chatter among decent chaps. It is a speech-act performed under empire, where even thanks can sound like surrender.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fuschi – Ossia: Grice e Fuschi: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale erotica.  Michele Fuschi (Cesena, Romagna): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale erotica. Grice: “One of my pupils at Oxford said the wanted to specialize in Italian philosophy. ‘Stick to the heretics!’ I advised! iconoclast, eretico. I see my philosophy as a simplifying iconoclasm, on the whole!” I like F., and so does Eco, Rota, and Carlini! F. opposes Aquino’s truths and turns them into mistakes – since they involve things about the past – where the apostles kept property – it’s all pretty unverifiable, -- still Fuschi was thoroughly heretic! F. is the Italians’ Ockham!” Si distinse per una decisa persecuzione nei confronti degli “spirituali, sostenitori dell'assoluta povertà di Gesù Cristo e della necessità di una altrettanto rigorosa povertà dell'ordine francescano. Lo scontro tra F. e Giovanni era irreversibile.  Il ministro generale venne convocato dal papa ad Avignone e sospeso dalla sua carica. Confermato dai Francescani alla carica di ministro generale nel capitolo di un'eresia medievale, Begardi Dottrine cristologiche dei primi secoli Inquisizione Letture e interpretazioni della Bibbia Martiri di Guernsey Movimenti ereticali medievali Persone giustiziate per eresia Storia del Cristianesimo Successione apostolica eresia, su Treccani Istituto dell'Enciclopedia. Luca, ERESIA, in Enciclopedia Italiana, Istituto dell'Enciclopedia Italiana, eresia, in Dizionario di storia, Istituto dell'Enciclopedia Italiana. Eresia, su Enciclopedia Britannica, Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. Eresia, in "Dizionario di eresie, eretici, dissidenti religiosi", su eresie Portale Cristianesimo   Portale Religione   Portale Sociologia   Portale Storia Movimenti ereticali medievali Scisma divisione causata da una discordia fra gli individui di una stessa comunità (come un'organizzazione, movimento o credo religioso)  Catarismo movimento eretico, separato dal Cattolicesimo durante il medioevo europeo; professava un assoluto ripudio della materia in ogni sua forma. Occam  excommunicated” -- Modified Occam’s Razor”, “Cristo e povero” -- italiani eretici, tomismo, michelismo, eresia filosofica – eretico – Occam scommunicato. Grice, Merton, 1936. I had won the Harmsworth, and with it the peculiar sensation of having been granted time as if time were a scholarship. Two years at Merton lay ahead, and the future, for once, looked like a stretch of uninterrupted reading rather than a sequence of duties disguised as choices. I went into the library with the ordinary undergraduate’s superstition that the right book, met at the right moment, might provide a direction. I drew down a history of philosophy, not because I believed it would tell me what to think, but because it would at least tell me what had been thought with enough confidence to be indexed. Somewhere in the medieval chapter a name caught: Michele da Cesena, with the variant family label Fuschi, and sometimes Foschi. The entry was spare, but the spareness was already an invitation. Born circa 1270 at Cesena in Romagna, he entered the Franciscans around 1284, and then, by January 1305, appears as custos at Bologna. I paused at custos, because titles matter. Custos is not a poetical epithet; it is an office, the head of a custody, a cluster of friaries, an administrative knot in a mendicant network. Bologna is not merely a city; it is a university-world. Yet the note did not say he was a professor, only that he was in office there. Still, I could not help the presupposition: a man entrusted with governance in a learned order has already been trained into the learned life, whether by university forms or by the Order’s own schools. I took out my notebook and did what Oxford trained me to do when confronted with a date: I made it speak by arithmetic. Birth circa 1270. Custos at Bologna by January 1305. So, if those are the right dates, Fuschi is about thirty-five when he is custos. Then another date from the same sparse trail: May 1316, doctor of theology at Paris. A doctorate at Paris, in the theology world that later generations like to shorthand as “the Sorbonne,” though in his day it is cleaner to say the University of Paris. If he is born circa 1270, he is about forty-six at the doctorate. Thirty-five at Bologna, forty-six at Paris. I drew a little arrow on the page, northward, because one cannot see Bologna and Paris in the same paragraph without imagining the road between them. I wrote, half as a joke and half as a prediction: if he keeps moving north, away from his old soil, he ends up at Paris. Or, if the road takes a different bend, he ends up in Oxford. That was the moment my own antiquarian vice asserted itself. Merton. Founded 1264. I wrote it down and then subtracted. 1264 to 1305 is forty-one years. So, when Fuschi is custos at Bologna in 1305, Merton is forty-one years old. The number pleased me because it made two histories touch without merging. Fuschi, thirty-five and already a custodian in Bologna; Merton, forty-one and already old enough to look inevitable; and me, a young man in 1936, sitting in a library built on the idea that old institutions keep breeding new thoughts. I looked up at the shelves and had the small, dry sensation that Oxford always gives when it realises it is older than your ambitions but younger than your reading. Fuschi went from Romagna to Bologna and then, at last, to Paris. I, by Harmsworth luck, had gone from Birmingham to Oxford and then, without leaving the same street for long, from Corpus to Merton. His northward drift was a medieval itinerary of office and degree; mine was a modern itinerary of scholarships and libraries. But the comparison had the same shape: a man, a title, a date, and the quiet inference that learning is a kind of travel even when the body sits still. I closed the volume and wrote one last line, because it sounded like a conclusion and therefore demanded to be distrusted: between Bologna and Paris there is a road; between 1305 and 1264 there is an age; between his forty-six at Paris and my two years at Merton there is the same old academic superstition—that if you keep moving north, and keep your dates in order, you may end up not merely in Paris, but in a college that was already forty-one when your medieval custodian was doing his rounds in Bologna.Grice: Caro Fuschi, ti confesso che a Oxford mi capita spesso di consigliare agli studenti: “Se volete scoprire la filosofia italiana, puntate sugli eretici!” Del resto, senza un po’ di iconoclastia, il pensiero rischia di diventare troppo monotono, non credi? Fuschi: Grice, hai ragione! In Italia, chi infrange le regole è spesso più interessante di chi le segue. Io stesso sono stato accusato di eresia solo per aver sostenuto che Cristo era povero, e che i francescani dovrebbero seguire il suo esempio. Da noi, la conversazione è una disputa tra verità e errori… e spesso vince chi sa sorridere delle proprie scomuniche! Grice: Ecco, Fuschi, è proprio questo che mi piace della tua filosofia: sai trasformare una verità di Aquino in una battuta, e una scomunica in un’occasione di dialogo. In Inghilterra, avremmo chiamato questa tecnica “Rasoio di Occam modificato”: taglia le complicazioni, ma lascia sempre spazio a un po’ di umorismo. Fuschi: Grice, se solo gli inquisitori avessero avuto il tuo spirito, forse avrebbero risparmiato qualche martire! In fin dei conti, la vera conversazione nasce quando si riesce a discutere anche di eresia senza perdere il gusto della battuta... e senza dimenticare che ogni verità, prima o poi, può essere ribaltata da un buon dialogo. Fuschi, Michele (1305). Custos. Bologna.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Fusinieri – Ossia: Grice e Fusinieri: la ragione conversazionale – semiotica – semantica e la “nova metaphisica” a Clifton. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Ambrogio Fusinieri (Vicenza, Veneto): la ragione conversazionale – semiotica – semantica. Grice: “I love F.! – he was clear about the grammar of ‘signify’!” Sull’influenza dei segni nella formazione delle idee, explores the relationship between semiotics and cognitive processes, specifically how linguistic or symbolic "signs" impact human thought and subjectivity. Atti dell’Imperial Regio Istituto Veneto di Scienze, Lettere ed Arti. Si laurea a Padova, Metaphysica. la sua visione della materia, basata sull'idea dell'unità delle forze. facoltà viene esercitata col segno. Finalmente una ultima questione proposta è questa. Se — sa- vi Ha qualche mezzo di correggere il segno mal fatto e di rendere tutte le scienze suscettibili di dimostrazione. La risposta a tale questione è contenuta nei saggi di sopra esposti circa la possibilità dell'arte caratteristica. Dico la possibilità a cui mi sono limitato, perchè circa l’attualità di quest’arte assai difficile vi sarà ancora molto da affaticare. Intanto è certo, secondo i posti principi, che in tutte le scienze, e in quelle medesime che finora furono oscure ed incerte è possibile condursi alla certezza delle cognizioni per mezzo degli artifiq dell’arte caratteristica di cui ho dimostrata la possibilità. Dopo aver dimostrato che IL SEGNO fissa le medesime idee singolari che sortono immediatamente dalle prime impressioni dei sensi e dell’immaginazione, che notano le cognizioni tratte dalle idee singolari per essere conservate agl’usi futuri, che IL SEGNO danno vigore di memoria agl’atti dell’immaginazione, che fanno le veci dell’idea generale, che da la forma a tutti i giudizj, che compongono tutti i ragionamenti che possono subire una costruzione analoga alla natura dell’oggetto o la cosa che segna, per cui si può rendere esatte tutte le scienze, ed estendere le umane cognizioni; e per cui nelle scienze esatte sono la causa della certezza; F. crede di avere esauriti gl’usi che il segno ha nell’operazioni della mente e nell’arte di pensare. È dunque dalla perfezione del segno e dalla invenzione dell' arte caratteristica che si deve attendere la possibile perfezione dello spirito umano. Corpus, Michaelmas 1930. Minor.   Shropshire: You look pleased with yourself, which in Oxford is a confession.   Grice: It is only a symptom. I have discovered a new use for an old word.   Shropshire: Which word.   Grice: Minor.   Shropshire: You’ve been reading critics again.   Grice: You’ve been reading Housman again.   Shropshire: I read Housman because he is tidy.   Grice: Tidy despair. The most English of luxuries.   Shropshire: He was called a minor poet.   Grice: And you object.   Shropshire: I object to the insult disguised as classification.   Grice: Minor is not always an insult. It is sometimes a measurement of the reader.   Shropshire: That sounds like something you would say because you want it to be true.   Grice: I know I can be fastidious. By that I imply that I want language to behave.   Shropshire: Minor poet. Minor philosopher. Minor child. Minor key. It all sounds belittling.   Grice: Only if you hear it with your pride.   Shropshire: I hear it with my ears.   Grice: Your ears are attached to your pride.   Shropshire: What’s your new use, then.   Grice: Legal.   Shropshire: You are the last man I expected to become legal.   Grice: One becomes legal simply by sitting still while the law goes past.   Shropshire: What does the law say a minor is.   Grice: It says a minor is not yet something. Which is the most philosophical definition of all.   Shropshire: Not yet twenty-one, you mean.   Grice: In English usage, yes, though the law has its various thresholds.   Shropshire: And what has that to do with Housman.   Grice: Housman has that poem about arriving at twenty years.   Shropshire: When I was one-and-twenty.   Grice: Exactly. He is already ancient by Fusinieri’s standards.   Shropshire: Fusinieri.   Grice: What is that next to your Shropshire that you are reading, Shrophisre.   Shropshire: That is a cheap pun, even for you.   Grice: It is worse. It is an undergraduate pun.   Shropshire: It’s not my surname. It is, allegedly, Nova metaphisica.   Grice: With an I.   Shropshire: With an I. Not a Greek Y.   Grice: A new metaphysics before fifteen.   Shropshire: Not yet fifteen, Grice. A minor metaphysician.   Grice: He was perfectly entitled.   Shropshire: Entitled by what.   Grice: By audacity. And by adolescence.   Shropshire: You’re making adolescence into a licence.   Grice: Adolescence is always a licence. Adults simply call it irresponsibility.   Shropshire: And British law by 1930.   Grice: British law would not prohibit metaphysics, unfortunately.   Shropshire: It prohibits other things, though.   Grice: Yes. And then apologises by calling them age-of-consent questions.   Shropshire: So your point is: a minor can publish metaphysics.   Grice: A minor can write metaphysics and get away with it. That is the wonder.   Shropshire: Does it inspire us.   Grice: Of course it does. It implies that our own excuses are laziness, not youth.   Shropshire: You have not located it, though.   Grice: You have.   Shropshire: I have located a reference to it. A whisper. Vicenza, Veneto. A boy with too much confidence.   Grice: Vicenza sounds like it has architecture. Perhaps metaphysics grows better under Palladio.   Shropshire: You are implying Italy produces philosophers like figs.   Grice: If I were implying that, why say it. I am only noting that a boy in Vicenza wrote Nova metaphisica before he was fifteen, whereas we at Corpus are still trying to decide whether Plato is serious.   Shropshire: Plato is serious.   Grice: Plato is serious in the way Housman is serious: he makes despair tidy and then calls it an argument.   Shropshire: You are trying to provoke me.   Grice: I am trying to keep you awake. There is a difference.   Shropshire: Why are you so pleased by this boy.   Grice: Because “minor” suddenly looks like an advantage. If one is a minor, one can be outrageous and people call it promise.   Shropshire: And if one is not a minor.   Grice: Then one must be outrageous and people call it indecency.   Shropshire: So “minor poet” is indecent.   Grice: It is lazy. It lets the critic avoid saying what he actually thinks. It is a label that does the work of an argument while looking like a fact.   Shropshire: Like calling Wittgenstein minor.   Grice: You’ve jumped ahead in time.   Shropshire: You jump ahead in everything else.   Grice: Fair. Let us stay in 1930. In 1930, the only Vitters I know is a vicar.   Shropshire: And the only Bosanquet is a salad.   Grice: Exactly. Our canons are still innocent.   Shropshire: So what do we do with minor.   Grice: We keep it for the law, for music, and for boys who write metaphysics too early. We do not use it to diminish poets.   Shropshire: Housman would not mind.   Grice: Housman would mind quietly and then write a perfect stanza about minding.   Shropshire: And Fusinieri.   Grice: Fusinieri would correct the sign and then promise an arte caratteristica to make all sciences demonstrative.   Shropshire: That sounds like you.   Grice: That is your implication, and I shall not say it.   Shropshire: Say it.   Grice: If I said it, it wouldn’t be an implicature.   Shropshire: So the moral is.   Grice: The moral is that the word minor is not a verdict. It is a condition. And conditions sometimes make the best philosophers.Grice: Caro Fusinieri, devo confessarti la mia profonda ammirazione per il modo in cui affronti la questione dei segni, della comunicazione e di tutto ciò che davvero conta nella formazione delle idee. La tua chiarezza sul "significare" è, a mio avviso, un faro per chiunque si occupi di semiotica e semantica! Fusinieri: Ti ringrazio, Grice! Credo che il segno abbia un ruolo essenziale: non solo fissa le idee nate dalle impressioni, ma dà vigore alla memoria e rende possibile la certezza nelle scienze. La perfezione del segno, a mio parere, è la strada maestra per perfezionare lo spirito umano. Grice: Ecco, ne sono convinto anch’io: la tua arte caratteristica—quella capacità di rendere esatte le scienze attraverso il segno—è ciò che distingue una mente davvero filosofica. In fondo, ogni ragionamento si compone di segni: da qui nasce la possibilità di estendere la conoscenza umana oltre ciò che appare. Fusinieri: Grice, tu cogli perfettamente il punto! Se riuscissimo a correggere i segni imperfetti e a raffinare l’arte della comunicazione, allora potremmo davvero condurci alla certezza e alla chiarezza delle nostre idee. È una fatica immensa, ma solo così si può sperare in una comprensione sempre più profonda delle cose. Fusineri, Ambrogio (1789). Nova metaphisica. Vicenza.